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Javascript power to weight ratio. What's yours? Click here, wait for the result and divide it by your device weight in kilos. E.g the Aigo MID with ff3.0 scores 18 which, with 0.35kg gives a jp/w of 51.4 http://bit.ly/v8v3benchmark - http://code.google.com/apis...
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Aigo MID with ff3.0 = 18/0.35 = 51.4
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Everun Note with ff3.0 = 38/0.75 = 50.6
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Wibrain b1h with ff3.0 = 37/0.53 = 69
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Everun Note with Chrome 0.3 = 408/0.8 = 510 Chrome shines!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Gigabyte M912 Netbook with FF3.0 = 56 / 1.35 = 42
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
M912 with Chrome = 432 / 1.35 = 320
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Everun (original) with ff3.0 = 19/0.5 = 38
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Everun (original) with Chrome = 126 / 0.5 = 252
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Archos 605 with Opera = 2 / 0.2 = 10
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Fujitsu u1010 with Chrome 0.3 = 580 / 0.8 = 725
- jean-paul
Asus Eee PC 1000H (with 2GB CAS4 RAM) - ff3.0: 63/1.45=43.4 Chrome: 467/1.45=322
- Rodfather
Looks like Fuji U2010 would be the ultimate!!!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Really? I thought Silverthorne processors were slower?
- Rodfather
Can someone run this on an iPhone for me?
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I just tried a few times to run this on my iPhone 3G 16GB. First time, it hung Safari. Second time, fresh after a reboot, it never completed, even though I let it run for about 10 minutes. Both times, it. Got to 57% complete, and the scores were: Richards 2, DeltaBlue 2, Crypto 5. Hope that helps, let me know if you want me to run it again! :-)
- Josh Bancroft
first run on my iPaq 614c with PocketIE : same as Josh - got to 57%, then 71% then device hanged ... Second try with Netfront 3.5 : stopped at 43% .. Third shot with Opera 9.5beta: completed ! score: 8 / .145 = 55 :)))
- jean-paul
it hung on an S60 phone for me in the same place. Good to know that Opera completes the task although for some reason, their browsers always seem to be poor at Javascript.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Aigo MID with FF3.1 = 23/0.35 = 65
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
iPaq 614c with Skyfire : 107/.145 = 737 !!
- jean-paul
Still haven been able to test Skyfire to see how well ajax works and how the latency is. I guess I could RDP to my server at home and get a similar 1000+ result though ;-) I'll post why I dont like the proxy solutions soon.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
N800 for shits and giggles: 3/0,206 = 14,6. funny enough it wondered if i wanted to kill the javascript around step 3 or 4.
- turn.self.off
and now multiply the figure by the online battery life of your device and you have an index of internet mobility. Mmmm. Maybe im on to something here!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
remind me, that archos is using cortex, yes? got to be somewhat bothersome that the older N800 scored as much as it did. or maybe that say something about the microb javascript, even before any kind of optimization...
- turn.self.off
The archos 605 is the old one. Not Cortex bassed but Opera, while accurate, isnt the best at javascript. I will contact Jenn to see if i can get a result from her.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
ah yes, i got my numbers crossed. that makes a bit more sense. and i recall having issues with javascript (to the point i left it off most of the time) back on my 770. but then that was also a weaker device then the N800, so...
- turn.self.off
Wibrain i1 with ff3 = 47/0.51 = 92
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Wibrain i1 with Chrome 1.0. = 514 / 0.51 = 1007 A NEW RECORD!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Fujitsu Loox U/B50n 1.6ghz with ff3 = 53 / 0.58 = 91
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Fujitsu Loox U/B50n 1.6ghz with chrome v1.0154 = 395 / 0.58 = 681 (looks like latest chrome is slower!)
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
tried tear just now, on the old N800, interestingly enough that got me, 18,8 / 0.206 = 87,38! what a difference that is compared to the microb test i did some time ago...
- turn.self.off
Don't forget to use v3 of the benchmark http://bit.ly/v8v3benchmark
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
from Android
Archos 5 Android. ARM Cortex at 800mhz = 46.3 / .189 = 239
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
from Android
Has anyone got and 800mhz Intel MID that thet can test with FF3.5? iPhone 3gs and Droid would be interesting too.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
from Android
Gigabyte T1028M at 1.6ghz. Chrome 3. = 734 / 1.46 = 489
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Gigabyte T1028M at 800Mhz. Chrome 3. = 380 / 1.46 = 260
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
One other (actually more important) javascript benchmark is here: http://www2.webkit.org/perf...
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
...and here are some benchmarks to get us started. (Maybe I should start a new thread for SunSpider!) http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL...
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
re-test (with v3 of the test) Fujitsu U820 1.6Ghz Chrome 3.0 - 779 / .55 = 1416 New winner!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Fujitsu u1010 - debian r5 - chrome 4.0.223.11 - 921 / .8 = 1151,25 :)
- jean-paul
Fujitsu U820 1.6ghz with Chrome 4.0.223.16 879 / .55 = 1598
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Interesting that a chrome OS on a Menlow platform would be the most powerful combo for a web-app-focused tablet device.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Modded UX280 scored 2130 on the test and weighs .725kg = 2937 (running latest stable Chrome)
- Ben L.
How modded is the ux280 ben?
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
iPhone 3gs with safari 61/0.135 = 452
- Paul Graham
from iPhone
Confirms the 3gs as the most powerful javascript engine on a smartphone.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Kohjinsha SC3 standard, Vista and Chrome 422/0.798 = 529
- Paul Graham
eking s515, chrome 3.0.195 on win7 527 / 447 = 1178
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
HTC Touch Pro2 with Opera Mobile 9.5: 5.47 / 0.1785 = 30.6
- Oliver Maruhn
HTC Touch Pro2 with Dorothy Browser 0.2.2 (Webkit): 16.6 / 0.1785 = 93
- Oliver Maruhn
eking s515 1.2ghz. Chrome 3.0.195 on xp 598/0.45=1317
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Welcome to jkkmobile - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Interesting. I didnt mean to 'favorite' that page. I was trying to fave your Milestone vid. Oh well!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I did some more javascript tests this morning. Android/ARM has made amazing steps forward in the last year but Chrome/X86 (intel Atom at same clockrate) is still 5-10 times faster at processing javascript. A Cortex core takes 0.5W at 800Mhz. An Atom 800Mhz takes 2W at 800Mhz. Based on that, Moorestown could be a more efficient javascript platform.
...which brings me to the question. Are javascript engines written on X86 and then simply ported to ARM or are there javascript engines out there that are specifically written for ARM. (E.g. Android browser)
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Google is making a fast Chrome browser for ARM to be released later this month.. That's what Chrome OS is all about..
- Charbax
So you think Chrome OS will be ARM-only Charbax?
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Chrome OS is both for ARM and X86. But I think the ARM version will be more Interesting. While the x86 version might provide only slightly cheaper netbooks (saving $30 Windows clicense for one), could be even cheaper at $199 if with 8GB flash instead of hard disk. But ARM Chrome OS will be about bringing fast and full browser experience on the cheapest ARM laptops as cheap as $80 or...
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- Charbax
from Android
Starting another mobile device javascript speed thread. This time i'm just using SunSpider 0.9 http://www2.webkit.org/perf... Feel free to run the test and enter your details and result below. (Device, browser, browser version, CPU speed and result.
Archos 5 Internet Tablet (Android V1.5) Cortex A8 (800Mhz) - 25663ms
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Gigabyte T1028 Netbook. Chrome 3.0. Atom (locked to 800Mhz) - 4779ms
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Gigabyte T1028 Firefox 3.5.4. Atom @ 1.6Ghz - 4100ms
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Viliv S7 Firefox 3.5.3 Atom Z520 at 800Mhz - 9838ms
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Viliv S7 Chrome 3.0.195 Atom Z520 at 800mhz - 4982ms
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Viliv S7 Chrome 3.0.195 Atom Z520 at 1300Mhz - 2760ms
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Asus EEE 1008HA Firefox 3.5.5 Atom N280 at 1666mhz - 5344.4ms
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
Fujitsu U820 1.6ghz FF3.5.3 - 4252
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Oh sweet. Archos 5 IT. 4.8" 800x480 FTW. This is an awesome looking gadget. First web page loads were fast too! (continues on FF)
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DOwnloading new firmware... 1.02
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I can't get over how fricking thin it is. Fingerprint magnet (of course)
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Just fits perfectly in the hand in portrait mode. This could make an awesome e-book reader.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
H.264 playback. Check. Divx, check. MKV recognised (contains an AC3 channel which the IT doesnt play out of the box (costs extra for the plugin), same for WMVHD (same plugin though) WMV (VGA) Check, H.264 720p, check.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Nice
- Rodfather
Did it come with any of the docks?
- Rodfather
No dock included unfortunately. Usging full fat ff page right now and its fast.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
sounds really promising. found any android apps to install, to test the compatibility with the large screen? oh, and i see the usual onscreen keyboard issue...
- turn.self.off
Googlemail app on java on windows mobile. ugly.
Yep. Forget java app. just use imap or direct push With activesync,. itseasy and works great
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
Not happy with IMAP. 1) The built in email client is poor. 2) I like to be able to search GB of emails on the server (imap can possibly do this, yes). Native app is critical for me and makes me think of Android or S60.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
If you need to search that much amount of e-mail then you are right, you need a web based app. I like the internal e-mail, but I only sync the last 30 days of every "folder" so it's allright.
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
boarding flight to sf. back online in about 12hrs i guess.
have a good flight! .. and send good news from IDF
- jkkmobile
yep, have fun :)
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
OK. Back in 15 hours! Getting settled in Hotel. Close to event center. Wired ethernet. Should make a great base for videos.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
My first relaxed time Testing the iPhone 3gs. What a stunning bit of kit. Browser is the Funnest ive ever had in one hand.
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I like the Iphone in many ways. social networking and microblogging is really easy on it and apps look good. But the lack of features like easy file management, simply doc editing and email attachment really freaks me out.
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
Yeah. Its not for me but still a stunning bit of kit.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Omnia Pro Video test - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Video quality is about the same as on my HTC Diamond 2. But also, as on my HTC the sound in video is really bad. That is where the iphone and even the new Ipod nano win by far.
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
this video is the recompressed version via the on-device video editor. The original is better but still not what i'm looking for in a mobile device. Video before editing: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Why 800x480 doesn't guarantee more screen space. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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How about lowering the windows text size?
- Spyros Dovas
An alternative email program is probably better!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Yes, Steve, you can change the text size easy on WM go to settings / system / screen, then got to text size and reduce it. The allways set it to big by default.
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
Thanks for the screen size tip. These settings are hidden under the Samsung UI. I had to turn it off to find it. What an amateur I am! I've gone to the smallest font setting and i've now got 5 email headers showing instead of three! Actually in portrait mode it's much better thanks.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
You have to go around the TouchFlo UI on the HTC devices too. They really made these new devices more productive with this new implementations over basic windows mobile, but sometimes they forgot to leave stuff, as simple as changing system fonts size, available to users.
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
SO far i'm quite impressed with the TouchWiz UI. It covers 95% of the UI and 100% of one's daily needs. I wonder how they will implement it on WM6.5 though because replacing WM6.5 components as they've done with 6.1 might actually be the wrong thing to do
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I've been using WM6.5 on my HTC Touch Diamond 2 for a month now. Actually WM6.5 is pretty must just eye candy over 6.1, basic windows mobile features are abou the same. What you might have seen on screen shots and demos is a UI created by microsoft called Titanium, similar in many ways to TouchWiz or TouchFLO from HTC, but with way less features. What all manufactures are doing is...
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- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
Oh dear oh dear. App store sounds like the only real advantage. I hope they improve the connection manager though. It's poor.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Omnia Pro info: Touchscreen Scratches on Omnia Pro. (http://myomniapro.com/2009...)
Uuuuuh...
- jkkmobile
tell me about it. Oh wait a minute, you already did!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
An example of badly used pixels. - http://www.umpcportal.com/2009...
uuuh...
- jkkmobile
stupid isnt it. How is it on the TP2?
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
First tweet from the omnia pro. Pocket tweet seems good on this.
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Test twikini too... I like it much more.
- jkkmobile
Yeah! try twikini, much better. Pocket tweet is resource hog sometimes!
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
yup. got that one on my list!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Viliv S7 in customs since Saturday. Needs to be cleared today otherwise the live convertible umpc session will have to be delayed.
Call them...
- jkkmobile
That will be fun and productive in Germany ;-)
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
yours is with you today jkk.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
yep, 12:50 Helsinki - Finland With delivery courier
- jkkmobile
I have no idea why DHL chose to stop mine. They want a customs number form me now. I've sent all information to them but it doesn't look like it gets here before Wednesday. Have fun with unboxing!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Oh man... Call and shout!
- jkkmobile
i have already called them. 6 phone numbers to try and get it sorted!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
ah, the insanity that is customs. mostly its some overworked shipping clerk that gets the paperwork backwards, rather then the customs office directly that the problem.
- turn.self.off
@jkkmobile "Delivery attempted; recipient not home" Go get it bro. (Viliv S7)
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
yep, just shouted to them on phone... will get it in 1 hour
- jkkmobile
As there is nothing happening in tech rightnow I uploaded 30 min video of Eee PC T91 and Windows 7 ..
where link?
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
coming soon or what?
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
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Whe do you guys start? tomorow at 9:00am? If so will be a nice time killer for the dentist ;)
- Joao de Oliveira(BassoPT)
i'll be at desk online at 0830 gmt+2
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
RT @mobile_world: Smartbooks 2 compete with Mini-laptop http://www.pcworld.com/busines...
The 'smartbook' OS has a long way to go yet IMO. Moblin on Intel Moorestown could actually be one of the best options out there.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Starting some Live Mesh testing. Should help to store all my must-have software that I use when setting up a new device. Anyone else use it?
Yep. I have been using Mesh for quite a while now. I use if for storing files mostly, but I do have a directory of applications that have USB key style installs that I use to populate new/rebuilt machines. Recent upgrades have made the file copying much faster than in the past.
- Sean Brady
first i find it great. then Microsoft MyPhone was out, offering all PIM data backup and synchronization. i wonder when Microsoft will merge MyPhone and LiveMesh... so far, i m storing my favourite software cabs into a folder of my memory card :) it s easier then to re install a volonte ;) and as i m using Google Sync, my contacts and my calendar are always synched (tasks should come soon i hope!).
- jean-paul
I'm using both LIveMesh & dropbox. I found that if you only want to have your files available in the cloud, dropbox is the better choice, but less storage & anything has to be in dropbox folder might be your dealbreaker.
- sipp11
I use Live Mesh to sync OneNote documents
- Rodfather
Thanks for the note about Dropbox sipp11. So far Mesh is doing exactly what I wanted, that is, deep integration into windows folders. I've already shared a LiveWriter draft folder out to my co-editor Ben. We'll try working across the net US-Germany on a single folder for blog posts.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
restarting the X70 always-connected test. Phone and internet via GSM. Screen mostly off. Tweetdeck running. Low power CPU mode
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After one hour of twitter and phone connected, 95% battery left. One SMS sent
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
@1.5hrs. +One phone call (incoming) . Tweetdeck still connected and running. 85% battery left.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
2hrs 21. 75% battery remaining.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
3hrs 10mins. 65% battery left.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
4hr 45min 55% battery left. Phone still running, Tweetdeck still updating.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
5hr 18min 45% left. For info, the apps running (only Tweetdeck) have uploaded about 2MB, downloaded about 8MB
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
5hr 45mins and the battery level just dropped all the way down to 20%.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Woah! 5:49 and the battery level is at 5%. What a wonderful battery level indicator this is.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
and two minutes later it's shut down. Turning on again to remove the 3% shutdown level to see if it really has more than 3% left!.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Nope. It really was dead. So thats a total of 5hrs 50mins on the 27wh battery. Average of 4.8W drain. Screen mostly off. Internet connected via GSM network. (low speed, low power) I really should run the test again with no internet connected but first I need to re-charge
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
What's Nokia going to show off at Nokia World if the N900 is already in the wild?
I think Maemo is the big one to talk about. The roadmap is going to be the one we all want to see.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I hope not. Every time I meet WIT I learn a lot. Mix it up I say ;-)
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
How come i'm slaving over a hot PC and assistant editor @benz145 is studying in Hawaii? http://twitpic.com/fctx6
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Is silicon really that different from sand? ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
Shore it is!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Fastest Kojinsha SX3 on the Planet – SSD Upgrade
Watch the Kojinsha SX3 get upgraded to a Runcore SSD Pro IV Ziff. This netvertible style netbook flips into a tablet form factor.
- Netbooknews
I've got the Pro IV in the SK3 (same arch) and it makes it very usable with Win 7.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
The more I find out, the more I'm convinced. Intel's next netbook, MID, smartphone platforms may be converging to the same architecture.
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You are not surprised by this are you?
- Warner Crocker
Yes. The GPU's and chipsets are currently totally different.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Can't wait to see the kind of devices using Moorestown
- Rodfather
Kohjinsha SK3 apart. SSD Install - http://www.umpcportal.com/gallery...
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i see a sim card slot place.. pcie connector pins under that sticker near it?
- jkkmobile
yeah. Could be. That area appears under the battery compartment.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Asus Eee PC T101H will be the first Eee PC based on Pinetrail and it will be launched at the CES in January!
Oh? so no N270 version for T101?
- jkkmobile
Wow. Another 6 months until availability of the ASUS T101H.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I suspect we'll see this with Moblin/Xandros too.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
right now i expect it to be a Windows 7 netvertible with lotsa features like multitouch and motion sensors. Oh yes, i can wait for this one cause it'll be the one :)
- Sascha Pallenberg
MID Hunters: The Challenge | Shanzai - Shanzhai Phone, Shanzhai Netbook | Mid, Intel, Based, First, One - http://www.shanzai.com/index...
Take a picture of a MID on a retail shelf. Win a memory stick.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
If Moblin is for existing netbook and Moorestown platforms, Pinetrail won't break compatibility surely. Pinetrail likely to be a variant of Moorestown?
No one knows the GPU core on Moorestown or PineTrail yet.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
if done right, pinetail will be a superset of moorestown. And in any case, the moblin interface is clutter based, right? So its using opengl to accelerate 2D. And even older intel onboard gpu (if one can call them that) should be able to handle it, in theory.
- turn.self.off
Another good MoTR enjoyed, as it should be, in a warm bath. @palmsolo Matt got me thinking about Android again. ERROR
The error was from bit.ly. not me!
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
I thought u meant it's error to think you are thinking android again... which i thought could be an error..
- jkkmobile
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