@Ninh I think jon said it best: "i like storytlr too but they own your data. amplifeeder is self hosted and you can do what you like with your data. plus the storytlr themes are pretty poor compared with amplifeeders. just sayin…"
- Paul Kinlan
@paul wrt storytlr, we don't own your data, it is yours, you can even download a backup of the whole thing in CSV format and soon we'll support DiSo. If you think about it, your web host owns as much as we do. Unless your server is in your basement of course. Yet, we are happy to see cool new activity in the lifestream space. Good luck Amplifeeder, nice job ! (I'm the dev of storytlr).
- Eschnou
looks promising; I'd been looking at SweetCron, so this is good to see - I will definitely try it on one of my domains when there's a LAMP version...
- Anthony Citrano
This one is of Britt Selvitelle who runs User Experience at Twitter. In the background is Loren Brichter, developer of Tweetie, and Dom Sagolla, author of @TheBook (#8 user of Twitter, who was there when Twitter was invented).
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Twitter conference covered on FriendFeed :), you are awesome!
- Hameedullah Khan
Awesome. How's the conference going?
- Chris Thomson
FriendFeed feature request: I'd like the ability to mark where I've left off when reading conversations. Perhaps by clicking on the chat bubble, causing it to turn a different color. When I return to the conversation, I'd find where I left off quickly.
This would be neat, individual-per-thread state memory, but I'm afraid current post-centric, rather than user-centric, design of FF precludes its easy about-coming. What does constitute having read up to a specific point in a conversation btw?
- ianf ⌘
That'll seriously start to cost a lot of money for your average FSTE or Fortune 500, what do you think @steveodonnell?
- Ewan MacLeod
Yes. Depends if it's SATA, SAS or Fibre Channel disk, and whether they need any performance, clustering, or enterprise software. But the range can be $50k at the low end to $200k these days.
- Louis Gray
I've often wanted something like Stumbleupon, but would only pull randomly from any of my unread entries in google reader. is it anything like that?
- Tony Miller
I've tried Feedly. It's not quite what I mean. I may have worded it wrong.
- Tony Miller
Crap - it's time for our advisory call
- Jesse Stay
(I've never used IE 7's feedreader, by the way, so I literally am guessing. And I've only just begun to li- I mean explore FriendFeed's filters.)
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Pheuff, I thought he would NEVER LEAVE! :)
- JCunwired
Poof? Even Louis Gray Facts didn't cover his ability to disappear. And I have to be honest - this is the first time in my life that I've been sitting around, waiting for someone to write a post. Hope the kids don't start crying...
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Must know now!!! I'm afraid of it taking everything I've been working on away.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Louis Gray Facts? John, are you saying that Louis is FriendFeed's own personal Chuck Norris?
- Chris Charabaruk
Neat idea - tell everyone you're going to write a post, snare people's interest, then write the thing. Of course it only works if you have something interesting to say.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Chris, I'm saying that Chuck Norris hopes to be Louis Gray some day.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
jcunwired: Digg Search did mention something similar to this earlier today. Maybe, but I wouldn't call it an RSS tool with the same qualities he mention above.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Was worth a shot - "from a place you don't expect"
- JCunwired
That's pretty slick. I also use Tr.im and was just tweeting about the issue with the links not being available in a public list. I suppose you wouldn't want to give us a hint how you did that? Pretty please...
- Sheree Motiska
jcunwired: Sorry but you might have it I just went back and read the post which says RSS which contain X and Y but not Z. http://blog.digg.com/
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
80% of my online time (outside of social networking sites) is spent in my RSS feeds, and probably 30% of that time is wasted scanning items I'm not interested in. Now I'm going to have a lot more free time to spend here on FF. Aren't you folks lucky! :)
- JCunwired
One major problem with Friendfeed right now is the lack of 3rd-party apps. I think that in order to become a mainstream service, Friendfeed needs to convince developers to to make apps for them. I would play $20 for a Windows Mobile Friendfeed app so Friendfeed could plant seeds for development and get paid back later.
Much of the reason people get into Twitter is because they see the apps in the iPhone store or on other peoples phones or computers. Also, it would be a good way to make money without having to charge for the web interface
- Sweyn Venderbush
Twitter needs apps because their base product is so lacking. What are some ideas for apps that could be specific to FF?
- Andy Bakun
If Twhirl fixed its jumping up and down bug it would be a great app for FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think mobile applications are very important for Friendfeed. Twittter thrives on that. FFToGo.com is OK but native apps are very important. I think we also need to find a very good desktop client because Twhirl still seems hard to use to me even though I do use it.
- Sweyn Venderbush
Yes Rom, what is that green creature? The fail worm?
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Well...Thank god FriendFeed gave us this upgrade Today. I sent a bunch of my twitter followers here to continue our discussions. And many came. I hope that FriendFeed takes notice of the outrage that Twitter causes with its poorly run TechOps department, and complete failure to notify users in a timely fashion (via the status.twitter.com page) of hicups, burps and even complete outages.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I guess the planned maintenance did go as planned
- Bryan Thatcher
God I'd hate to be neighbors with any of you. "You cut my lawn for free for 3 years, but sometimes missed a spot, so I'm going to neighbor's house and backstab you". Especially from folks who are more known online BECAUSE of twitter than their own blog and ff combined. Wonder why this generation is plastic? It's their folks.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I had to SHOUT @Twitter to before they posted the #LOSTAVATAR notice today. I can't say it was just me that got it done, but their timing the last two outages was interestingly coincidental to my repeated tweets to @Twitter. (I noticed also after suggsting that htey inform users before maintenance that they did it for sunday.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hmmmm timing timing. FriendFeed schedules launch of its new hotness for Monday morning. Twitter schedules maintenance for the day before. Twitter misses maintenance, FriendFeed launches anyway and Twitter starts breaking in many ways. Twitter says "we're doing it live" and does the maintenance at an unplanned time. Did the new FF break Twitter or is the timing just coincidental?
- EricaJoy
Having run such a TechOps department, for a startup, I feel their pain, but have no patience for the lack of notifications. As I said in a few tweets, running an ad-serving network in the late 90s I was expected to post outage notices a) before planned maintenance and b) within minutes of any outage or disruption. 10 years later you'd think this was SOP for any large TechOps Dept.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ed: Discussions must continue on. I have not, did not, and WILL not abandon Twitter, but I will not allow a twitter disaster to disrupt my communications either. I am GLAD that FF had their act together in time that the non-geeks could make quick and easy use.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Agreed @Rob. And I think ff has great uses and can be win/win. But every time I come here, it is an incessant rant about twitter. The friendfeed crew is foolish to not drop the hammer on it. Twitter has a massive number of loyalists that won't step foot in here because of the poison. I want to see both win. As enemies we/they all lose. Only the instigators currying favor win. @Erica No, unrelated :-)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
WOW. That's really bad timing considering they risked the wrath of NCAA fans
- Shane
Ed: Also Of note...one of my main purposes (originally) for getting on friendfeed was its ability to post all my other stuff TO twitter! I may bitch about twitter here, but BELIEVE ME, I bitch there too (usually directly @Twitter) .. FriendFeed should not drop the hammer..No reason to squelch free speech. (now that there's DMs some FF admins could quietly ask serious offenders to STFU tho) As more twitter users see more and more friendfeed likes coming in they will become more and more curious.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's all a matter of proper positioning. If FF/twitter fans position FF as something that adds value to twitter, the whole notion will be very very successful for both companies and userbases. If FF users try to position FF as the Alternative to twitter, everyone loses.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Rob I agree with the free speech aspect. I don't mean delete. But come by and gracefully promote partnership. Paul, Bret and team know the challenges of evolving code, design desires of users, scaling, VC breath. I've seen young women at twitter in tears from abuse. The mountain is Google, Facebook, the web haters not each other :)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Good God folks get over it, & yourselves it ain't that big a deal,,,
- Chris Darling
On the bright side, I've had really only an hour or so on Twitter today, leaving me much more time to go over FriendFeed again. Twitter's loss is FriendFeed's gain. I've probably had more FF activity today than in the past month, too, adding my bit to a couple of discussions. But I'm still of the opinion Twitter AND FF both have a place, like the commentor two above. Twitter's for quick news, but FF can be used for expanded/aggregated stuff. It's all in how much you use your noodle to work it out.
- George Hall (Australia)
Ed: Awesome! thanks for the clarification. I fully agree with the promotion of partnership.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Mr. Gunn, I agree with you. I also am ticked off because I can't turn off the automatic posting to twitter when I make a comment or post an item to FF. Give me back the ability to turn that off. I don't want my FF activity broadcast on Twitter.
- Dave Pancost
Just go to the default FriendFeed and adjust your settings. In the beta you're able to select which goes to Twitter for each post.
- Andrew Trinh
from IM
Dave, you can adjust that from Beta. Start to write something in the post box. Where it says "CC to twitter" click the settings link. In the overlay box, uncheck the box to send all posts to twitter.
- FFing Enigma
Thanks, Tina. That calms me down a little bit anyway. :-) It still seems that the new design complicates things rather than simplifies. Gotta re-learn everything with little or no instruction.
- Dave Pancost
A lot of the account a follow maintenance things haven't made their way over to beta yet, Dave. I don't think it's a permanent change.
- FFing Enigma
Yeah. I should learn to be more patient, huh? :-) 'Course that's what the feedback group is for...feedback. :-)
- Dave Pancost
Non beta induced enhancement request: temporary spoiler hide. Enter key terms (i.e. House) and any post or comment with the term would be hidden from view while you have the temporary 'hide' activated.
I hope your new venture is as interesting. Thanks for everything
- Scott Davies
coldbrew: see my corporate blogger's manifesto. I linked to it from my blog post.
- Robert Scoble
Yea, you can keep that, and any other rule set that you've created. Not interested. I will brake that set and never look back.
- coldbrew
"I’m working on that and hope it’s in shape so we can announce something at the SXSW conference." - Does this mean that you're going after all?
- Tamar Weinberg
As I said at TC - We're all rooting for you whatever comes next. And as Reid said, our bootstraps are all knotted together... let's get our best game on RFN! NOW can you manage a layover in Tulsa? After all... Austin's practically next door! :)
- Gerald Buckley
Weinberg, he used plain English. What is it that you do not comprehend?
- coldbrew
coldbrew, instead of being a smartass, perhaps you should know that I asked before and he said he wasn't. I also heard rumors that he wasn't, so hence me being direct about it.
- Tamar Weinberg
Tamar: that is a change, by the way, from three weeks ago. Sorry for the confusion.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, glad to hear. Excited to see you and hear your news. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
No need to apologize, Robert. The only person who should be apologizing is coldbrew.
- Tamar Weinberg
Weinberg, instead of being an uptight boob, you should know that life is short, and the you should relax and take it easy. If you could not glean that he is now attending SXSW, I am without the ability to clarify without making fun of you.
- coldbrew
Apologizing? Because you can't comprehend English?
- coldbrew
"don’t write if your life is in turmoil." that's indeed very good advice. You were already so wise back then. :)
- Meryn Stol
coldbrew: "we"' could represent an entity and may not necessarily include Robert. So yes, I am justified in asking a legitimate question. Again, instead of being a smartass, let me ask Robert the question, and do me a favor - don't get involved.
- Tamar Weinberg
Please block me if you cannot deal with my pointing out that you asked a stupid question. Do not act like FF is your domain to have a private conversation, that is for email. And, if you are that uptight you probably need a break anyway. I meant no harm, and you blew this way out of proportion.
- coldbrew
"There is no such thing as a stupid question." Clearly, you are just above us all. In any event, this isn't the place to hijack Robert's thread, and my question was not intended to do that either. I have no idea why you considered it your place to do so, but hey, the rest of the world will be the judge of who is the stupid one. Have a nice day.
- Tamar Weinberg
Sorry, Scoble. I was shooting for levity (as one might at 4am when they are still at the office). My girlfriend says I'm turning 12 this year :)
- coldbrew
Well, good luck Robert! You are responsible for getting me to FF...Tks for all.
- Mauricio Fonseca
You know, there is an astonishing amount of ass-kissing and stupidity among various folks in this space. I'm sorry for calling it out, but I truly look forward to meeting many of you people b/c, in person, one cannot hide this crap.
- coldbrew
Coldbrew, with regard to "meeting people in person", have you noticed you're the only one not posting under your real name?
- Meryn Stol
Stol, will you be at SXSW? I think I'm now heading down there and that would be cool.
- coldbrew
Mohomed, ask my references... But if you really in doubt, I think I can manage to provide some id. I don't think that anyone doubts that Robert's name is Robert though.
- Meryn Stol
Coldbrew, no, I live in The Netherlands, and I don't like flying. (plus this would be really expensive of course).
- Meryn Stol
I respect you, Stol. I just don't believe in taking privacy lightly. I know this will present some problems for me, and I can handle it. It is quite obvious that using an alias scares people here that can't fathom the idea.
- coldbrew
Good luck, Robert. Looking forward to hearing about the next step of the journey.
- Tom Guarriello
Wow, first you stopped drinking diet pepsi, now a career move. You sure know how to live on the edge! Looking forward to hearing your newest ideas!
- tracy
good luck Mr Scoble, may you choose wisely :)
- chaz2b
Good luck to you, my friend. I'm sure where ever the journey takes you, it will be a fun ride.
- Warner Crocker
Best wishes, Robert. I suspect these changes will open very profitable doors for you.
- Tim Beyers
from twhirl
All the best Robert. Change can be tough but it can also be exciting. I know I'm excited to see what you do next!
- AJ Kohn
Good Luck. I'm pretty sure you'll do better!
- Alex Sauceda
Good luck, Robert. Interested to see what you're planning next.
- Mark Trapp
Good luck Robert - looking forward to seeing what's next!
- Jordan Hofker
good luck robert - as usual love your ability to attract and help us all filter out trolls here on ff, it is much appreciated - you should consider monetizing that somehow ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert, good luck. Hope to see you writing again soon. (I have met Robert in real-life coldbrew, is it ok to write a comment now?....)
- Alexander van Elsas
Looking forward to seeing what you do next. I am sure you will keep us all posted.
- Bill
from twhirl
good luck on the move. and you'll enjoy wordpress.org :-)
- Jonathan Blundell
Best of luck and good vibes, Robert. This has to be a stressful period for you.
- Sean McBride
Good luck Robert. I am sure you will find something great and exciting to do. But I hope you will continue to post great info., etc. on FF and Twitter.
- Bill Romanos
Robert, I wish you the best on your next adventure!
- Jeremy Brooks
Best of luck and looking forward to what's next!
- Loren Heiny
Good luck Robert - I look forward to reading the next chapter of your life. :)
- Laura Zickus
Best of luck to you. Very interested in seeing/hearing what you might announce at SXSW
- Tamara
Best of luck. I went and saw all the latest videos you did, great job, can't wait to see what's next from you
- Gubatron
Good luck Robert, Iknow whatever you do next will be awesome!
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
I wish you luck, sorry to hear that it happened so soon, though.
- Tyson Key
If you want me to host your wordpress on my server let me know. It is a media temple grid server that is cloud based. Consider it my repayment for all the great content.
- Jonathan
Good luck! Does it mean you are NOT coming to visit Israel any time soon?
- Niv
Best of luck Robert. Whatever is ahead for you is bound to be exciting.
- Ginger Kenney
Hope your new venture is half the work (more family and self time), twice the pay, and offers the same great level of thoughts and content that we're all accustomed too.
- Patrick Jordan
is friendfeed hiring any marketing people yet? ;-) break a leg, dude.
- Karim
On to the next adventure--I like the speaking tour idea in another thread.
- Betsy Devine
Robert, I have in my own world, lived your first 2 sentences when I lost my job. It is indeed hard to do that and I haven't met anyone yet who can breeze through it. I so agree with not letting the "cat"-harsis out of the bag when that happens. Well done.
- Melanie Reed
Robert - I am very excited for what lies ahead for you! You can write your own ticket, so this will be fun. Personally, I think you should be the CMO for Friendfeed You already evangelize the heck out of it and you clearly understand the value of it! :) Cheers!! Wishing you all the best!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Robert - you will make an exciting transformation and we will benefit from your experience. My best to you and yours during this exciting yet challenging life moment.
- ka3drr
Robert, you and your family are in my prayers for blessings
- Melanie Reed
He says: "Some of the phrases I see a lot that can easily be replaced with one word without losing meaning are:" -- which can be shortened to "Phrases that can be replaced with one word without losing meaning:" Can't help myself.:-)
- Dave Winer
Yes, phrases can be shorten to one word, but it doesn't sound as good when spoken. There are still places (speeches, e.g.) where shortening phrases wouldn't work.
- Rui Pereira
Read the piece, when I hear those phrases either in writing or spoken, they make me cringe.
- Dave Winer
Let's do global find and replace on the interwebs. That might save a few GB. :P
- Meryn Stol
Applied in reverse, it's an excellent way to increase your word count for school assignments. ;)
- Meryn Stol
This depends on context. Those phrases in some contexts can't be reduced without changing/losing meaning.
- Tanath
Good writing is about mixing it up. For instance, if you are writing a resume you never use the same phrase twice even if you are saying essentially the same thing "I did this" 20 times throughout the resume.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sorry, Glen, I didn't know that mixing it up and clarity/precision were mutually exclusive. Good writing is about lots of things.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
"at this point in time" is in there twice (and I agree with Alex about mixing it up; in my writing classes, I was taught not to get too repetitive, so changing words around is often necessary)
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
no way - i dont even trust my own computer enough to just keep stuff there (learned that one the hard way)
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Perhaps I should ask - what sort of things do you trust to the cloud 100%? Your docs? (Google Docs?) Your photos? (flickr, facebook....?) Your contacts (Gmail?)
- Sarah Perez
I trust my own computer(s) more, my (encrypted) backups are in the cloud. (Smartest place for them, IMO)
- Anthony Citrano
I don't trust my own computer at all. Hard drives fail. Houses burn. Earthquakes shake rattle and roll. Most IT departments are far more organized and careful than I am and cloud providers have some very could IT departments.
- Todd Hoff
no, i don't trust it. I'll use it if there's a known backup. Evernote works as I know there's a backup on 2 of my laptops, as well as the cloud (though I do worry sometimes that some bug will wipe the cloud "version", and then without me knowing will wipe my local "version". gulp)
- William Stewart
In theory, yes. In practice, no, not yet. The biggest problem is the gatekeepers. Most things today aren't really in the cloud so much as they are a copy on a single companies' servers. The day when facebook can delete an account and they can't delete the account assets then maybe we can start thinking about trust.
- Todd McKinney
maybe i would trust the cloud (with a double-backup-cloud-solution maybe?) but i don't trust the internet providers too much.. i mean, whenever my net is dow, i can't have *any* of my files? naah...would be another thing with programs, but not all the files
- Le Big Z
Definitely not, especially w/ external hard drives multiple terabytes large & portable USBs at affordable prices, I don't see the rationale in a pay per month service.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
For processing and storage, not for security.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I guess I don't trust "single point of failure" no matter if it's my HDD or the cloud.
- Sarah Perez
I'm with todd. I would prefer not to trust it all to one building (my house). I also would not prefer to trust it all to the cloud. What will Google kill next? Docs? Pics? Mail? How about what happened to Pownce? I had XDrive years ago, too. When I got a new phone from Sprint, they DELETED my picture mail account, and they failed to restore my pics from backup, so I learned that the cloud can fail me. I'm trying to keep my data on multiple services and home PCs, so that one failure doesn't mean total fail.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
@sofarsoshawn - and where do you store these external drives?
- Anthony Citrano
Sarah - It's not failure I'm concerned about. It's privacy and security in the enterprise. Anything can happen once someone else has the keys ... now or ten years from now.
- Charlie Anzman
I trust the cloud _less_ than I do anything else, especially if Google is somehow involved. But that's more due to privacy concerns than anything else.
- Chris Charabaruk
We shouldn't have illusions here. All your network communication transits backbone networks that have taps on them. Your ISP has access to all your traffic. Are you sure MS and Apple don't have back doors installed? Are you sure your computer doesn't have a root kit installed that's watching your every key stroke and sending back to a bot master? There was a story recently where some guy was living in these people's attic and they never suspected. That could be a lot of us.
- Todd Hoff
Only for things that I'd have no problem with being public. I won't be storing my passwords on a remote server anytime soon.
- Victor Ganata
Actually, I back everything up so Im not worried about trusting storage - local, external, or cloud.
- Mona Nomura
from fftogo
Eventually the true cloud will be multiple interacting clouds (instead of equating one service or hosting provider with THE cloud). When we get there, I think there will be more trust because the competing interconnected services will keep each other in check. We're a long way from there yet, but I think it will happen.
- mikepk
Ask former Mediamax users if they trust the cloud -- Mediamax (now Nirvanix) managed to lose a great deal of data for its paying customers. I was one of them. Lesson: always make multiple backups of important data, both locally and in the cloud. Redundancy is the watchword.
- Sean McBride
@citrano sorry never saw that ?, they're just small entirely portable hooked up to your main system through a USB. They're about the size of a medium sized novel you can store them anywhere as such....
more...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Business idea/opportunity: automatically manage multiple/redundant backups for customers among cloud services.
- Sean McBride
I trust 2 storage clouds a lot more than 1 local hard drive; FAIL is everywhere. to paraphrase: "Trust in Allah, but SYNC your Camel"
- dave mcclure
Genie -- if you are really security savvy, every statement you just made in that public comment should be misleading and false. :)
- Sean McBride
@mikepk I like that idea. For now, though, I wish there were more ways to cross-post data (like photos and files) to free online services. Like something that uploaded to gDocs and SkyDrive, for example. Anyone know of anything like that?
- Sarah Perez
from fftogo
Cloud backups are the only ones I really trust - so I guess I would say yes. What I don't like is "having" to have internet to access them - that is when I get a little panicky.
- Tony
as A backup, yes--for some things; as the ONLY backup? No, and for private data, no, at least not yet.
- Steve Lowe
@Sarah Perez I've been wondering that same thing. A customizable cross poster would be a very handy time saver. I trust the cloud as a copy like the others.
- Boo
Thus far. I haven't got burned really bad yet...though I'm usually cautious to throw all my data into a platform without any weight behind it.
- Brian Bufalo
So far so good with Office Live and Small Business but I also use Outlook Connector with Desktop Office so I can move items if I want, but nice having Outlook always in synch with 3 computers
- MedicalQuack
i trust cloud as much as I trust my own computer : only 50% each ;-)
- Jacopo Gio
@sofarsoshawn my point was, if you're backing up to an external drive that you're keeping on your desk, or even in your house, your data is not protected against a *lot* of possibilities. that's why I back up to "the cloud"...
- Anthony Citrano
No, although I trust Google enough with my e-mail. I wouldn't bank on any service lasting more than a few years before the host/parent either goes bust, or discontinues the service, for what it's worth. (See Google Notebook, I Want Sandy and Pownce)
- Tyson Key
Yeah, actually. The cloud has been more reliable than my hardware often is.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I do, but as time marches on I'm starting to feel like it won't matter if I trust the cloud. I'm not going to have any other choice but to use it so, whether or not I trust it will be irrelevant. That's a little frustrating.
- Michael Fidler
I trust it more than my own storage. I guess both would be ideal - the cloud for offsite back-up.
- jjprojects
There's always a nagging feeling of "What happens if Yahoo! gets bought out/goes under, and Flickr vanishes?" or "What if MP3tunes.com gets struck down by the RIAA and takes the supposed "back-ups" of music collections belonging to people with them?"
- Tyson Key
Trust No One. ;) I use the cloud as a useful place to store/access stuff, but I like to have a backup. I'm more reliant on the cloud now I have an iPhone, and more willing to store stuff online with providers who have been around a while, but there's always the danger (in these troubled times ;), that companies disappear and your data goes with them.
- Surferbill
in short - yes. but there are always exceptions. The Google cloud totally because I think they make too much money to be untrustworthy (opposite to most people I am sure).
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Dont know if I trust it. But my "wish" for it to be safe is bigger than my fear that its un-safe...or maybe I'm just naive and lazy
- Peter Efland
I work representing an online desktop model and this is an often subject around in order to get ppl to try the service. What I often honestly recommend and do it myself is, to everybody think about Cloud Computing as an extra option other than only the traditional ones. It came a long way for all of us and it's been truly useful. Still, I don't think we should treat it as a replacement for all data. I'm sure it's just gonna get more reliable, it's a matter of time.
- May
It's no longer going to be a firewall it's going to be an umbrella :)
- Joe Dawson
Much less today, after 3 days of Google's FeedBurner returning 404 on my feed. And before, with Flickr randomly marking my photostream as unsafe. The cloud is great and is the way to go - but we need data portability, and a solid backup strategy that you can rely on if you care about such things. Companies go away, strategies change, priorities shift and the economy defines new rules - you need to take that into account. What is free today can return 404 tomorrow.
- Yaniv Golan
No. The cloud is inherently untrustworthy because the data flows out of your network and into someone elses. You can of course encrypt that traffic, but you still have the issue of trust of the other side.
- alphaxion
I barely trust hard-drives to retain my data, so no. And that's not even going into the privacy concerns.
- Daniel Bruce
I trust the cloud more than my own hardware; companies like Google can afford more redundancy than I can, so I feel safer trusting them.
- Apollo L
Absolutely yes! I trust Flickr, YouTube, Google and Diigo/delicious more than any of my own storage bins let alone DVDs
- Gaby K. Slezák
No, a local backup is always a good idea.It's not the cloud I don't trust, it is the companies I use to get to the internet (e.g., Time Warner Cable).
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I find it hard to trust what is free - for example diigo (which I like a lot) keeps a cached local copy of a page, but it doesnt do it of all pages, and it doesnt keep them - so a site that has disappeared might not have a local copy. No guarantees, no SLA - so I cant trust. Same thing with google - they can lose or remove data or services anytime, and youtube removes things as routine.
- Iphigenie
I trust the cloud enough in terms of privacy concerns. The key is to deal with reputable companies. That all said I keep copies of everything I use on the cloud on a local backup.
- Rob Cairns
I use it to build redundancy into my backup system. I back up locally and to the cloud.
- Dave Gambrill
I use S3 for backup and I have additional copies on google docs. i don't use google docs for my main document manipulation.
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
The 3-backup set method/regime: 1. external hard drive (local) 2. online backup service 1 (automatic) 3. online backup service 2 (automatic)
- Sean McBride
@sean I'd recommend 1. external HDD on site. 2. a couple of external HDD's/Tape offsite in a secure storage swapped at the end of every week 3. online backup. The most important thing that people totally ignore is data ownership - make sure you have access to your data. RAID array external caddies are cheap enough now that you shouldn't rely on the cloud as your main active storage or backup. And for those who don't trust their own HDDs, why would you trust another company?
- alphaxion
Online backup companies like Carbonite, Mozy and Amazon S3 are entirely focused on backup -- I trust them more than I trust myself, especially if I distribute the risk of data loss among at least two of them. I doubt that two of these companies would mess up simultaneously. The best part: set and forget, and restore to any computer anywhere.
- Sean McBride
I'd still put preference on data you can physically get your hands onto - people totally under estimate the worth of data ownership until the fit hits the shan. Personally, I keep all my data on constantly rotating groups of HDD's - as in I'll buy a bunch of hdd's and copy the data over to them. It means I have a copy of the old data and an ever increasing pool of HDD's to recover from or put to use elsewhere in my home network.
- alphaxion
I Love the Cloud...just use trusted sources who aren't going to disappear anytime soon. And follow the same Backup rules you would on any computer.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
alphaxion -- a key issue for individuals (as opposed to companies and organizations) is that they are too lazy to maintain a consistent backup plan. If your backups are being made automatically in the background in real time, without any effort on your part, to at least two reliable online backup services, you are more likely to be able to retrieve your data when trouble strikes.
- Sean McBride
I do "trust" the cloud. Keeping in mind I multiple back-up my data on separate HDD's in different locations. At work, we go the route of a 2 week back-up rotation.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Only if it's not a rain cloud. /me ducks ;)
- Tyson Key
I think the notion of Trust can be viewed along 2 different angles: 1/ RELIABILITY (not to lose my data, enough up-time), 2/ PRIVACY (my data not accessible by anyone in transit or on server, even system administrator). On RELIABILITY, getting there although for critical data, I would still have a backup somewhere else. On PRIVACY, would say no. What guarantee do cloud providers offer on sole accessibility to the data by the data owner? And how for data in transit? Unclear at best.
- Florent Buiron
@citrano yeah I was later thinking about ie "acts of God" so to speak, seriously, and I agree, w/ those in mind the cloud becomes more agreeable
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Technorati tells us there are 97 million blogs, but most were updated three times and forgoten and many more are spammers.....the same thing can happen here.
- paul mooney
Hmmm, wondering if you had anything to do with getting new members. We all know how much you *heart* friendfeed = :-) When you give your "thumbs up" on something, people really listen. Congrats to Friendfeed.
- Carmen S. Villadar
3 clicks to read the article Robert is referring to. One to get from Twitter to here. One from here to scobleizer.com. One from there to TC.
- Terry Jones
the # is a little misleading a lot of the growth is from new subscribers just adding in their twitter accounts & nothing more
- The Real sofarsoShawn
But are most of those people just feeding content into friendfeed without ever dropping by?
- Richard A.
Carmen: That was the problem with Jaiku for the most part, lot's of people join, non used it though.
- Richard A.
@Brian: No, not really. @shawn and richard: True, but Twitter numbers are even more inflated via users with multiple accounts, orphaned accounts and increasing numbers of spam accounts.
- AJ Kohn
Yeah, the single data point "number of users" is meaningless. We need "number of users" and "percentage active".
- Andy Bakun
Even if people are just feeding content into friendfeed and get a few followers, the chances are greater that my friendfeed (and Internet) experience will be enriched for being able to find their content. If someone is stronger at creating content (however you define that -- which may just be picking good mp3 playlists or adding interesting things to their amazon wishlist) than continuous interaction here on FF, I say let them do that and feed into friendfeed. So many people's interestingness is isolated.
- Andy Bakun
Amen Andy. I much prefer to follow people on FF even if they never poke their heads in here. I can still comment on their items and bring them to the attention of others.
- Nick in Manila
Agreed, NIck. FF is a very lightweight way of "following" people who create a stream, even if they're not that engaged with creating content here directly.
- Ken Kennedy
And the best thing is you can filter out things you don't want. For example, I filter out Robert's Twitters (I already read them on Twitter, rather than here).
- Ian Betteridge
LOL and I do the opposite & follow Robert here as I use twitter less
- The Real sofarsoShawn
TechCrunch said a million visitors, they never said a million members. That is different.
- Laura Norvig
This is a good example of the telephone game. TC reported that one service said FF had 1M unique visitors, which got translated to unique members. I strongly doubt 1M unique accounts.
- Louis Gray
This actually relates to Mona's recent interest in how quickly false news disseminates via social media. With Scoble's reach, his careless reporting here could misinform tens of thousands of people.
- Laura Norvig
Yup. I made a major mistake here and have corrected the post.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - no worries. I think most FF "members" would quickly recognize that number was unique visitors, not actual members. Nice post, and update :)
- Susan Beebe
It's cool, Robert. The important thing is you were continuing to evangelize Friendfeed - our favorite startup of 2008!
- Laura Norvig
Can Yahoo pull out of its death spiral? Palm proved that companies that innovate and throw out the past CAN turn around and make everyone believe again. Can Bartz do that? Time will tell.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
not trying to be a pessimist, but reality says this is going to be a tough one
- Dave Hodson
Like the way your tweets come here for reaction Robert. Works for me.
- Charlie Anzman
Yahoo got a new CEO? Wow. I'm out of the loop.
- Zach Flauaus
I agree with you, Sean, although...I would kind of like to see them get bought out. I don't like the way they do anything...except Flickr. Annnd I don't like the name. Haha, sometimes Yahoo just annoys me with the things the do/try to do. Especially Yahoo Answers. Pfft
- Mark
Honestly, yahoo does need to give up search. Flickr, Upcoming, Yahoo Mail and YIM are where it's at. Although I do actually like Yahoo Answers, it's good for some quick info occasionally.
- Lou
Yahoo needs a focus of some sort. They've got a ton of great tech, including a lot of open source projects that are really gaining a lot of traction (like Hadoop). They've got talent, just need to harness it. Easier said than done, of course. The "Yahoo as media company" did more damage than anything else I believe.
- mikepk
unfortunately, Yahoo! always winds up playing second-fiddle to Google
- Jason Salas
from IM
If it can be said easy and people can remember the spelling, it is a good name for an online company.
- MarkCarras
As a technologist, I love what yahoo has to offer to the developers of the world. Their api's are really really cool. Some of their technologies, like Hadoop, BOSS, SearchMonkey etc do not have counterparts worth mentioning. BOSS platform especially can do wonders if used right. Their open strategy is more calculated and not as loose as that of Sun's and will eventually pay off.
- Ritesh
Y! has some unbelievable assets to rely on: Y!Mail but mostly Flickr, which is the online photo site just like google is the search. And when you look at what Y! is doing with, it took them 16+ months to have a decent iPhone version of the flickr website while some native apps like DarkSlide provide a great user experience. They should focus on generating money from where their users are, not where they would like their users to go
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Not even talking about yahoo.com website which is a piece of crap. It's my best MobileSafari crasher agent, and even the desktop version is awful
- Jean-Charles VERDIE