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Evolution of Language Takes Unexpected Turn | Wired Science | Wired.com - http://www.wired.com/wiredsc...
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"We see that there isn’t any sort of rigid” progression of changes, said University of Reading (England) evolutionary linguist Mark Pagel, who wasn’t involved in the study. “There seems to be quite a lot of fluidity. That leads me to believe this isn’t something where you’re throwing a lot of parameter switches. Instead of a simple set of brain switches steering language evolution, cultural circumstance played a role. Changes were the product of chance, or perhaps fulfilled as-yet-unknown needs."
- Cliff Gerrish
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I actually was reading this very same article this morning myself!
- Chris Aldrich
Stewart Brand once mentioned that all anthropologists discover through field work that Chomsky is wrong.
- Cliff Gerrish
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A Modular Typographical Bookcase by Saporiti | Colossal - http://thisiscolossal.com/2011...
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"Holy awesome bookcase batman! Designers Eva Alessandrini and Roberto Saporiti of the Italian furniture design firm Saporiti have created this beautiful bookcase system that allows you to spell custom words and phrases using modular bookcase letters."
- GokceGoksel (GG)
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Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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who's on today? I like to tweet notify people what's ahead
- Dale Lature
Me, Danny Sullivan, John Taschek, Steve Gillmor. Not sure if Kevin will be on.
- Robert Scoble
I am ready for the show. Sitting in my studio digitally remastering an old 1931 movie called The Champ and listening to GG.
- David Lloyd
My iPad 2 just arrived. Wooohhoooo! :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's 5% lighter and Angry Birds loads 50% FASTER!
- David Lloyd
r.e. twitter: yes unbox live pls, maybe in preshow if not allowed
- David Lloyd
Steve, I'm getting twitchy. I can't wait to unbox my iPad 2.
- Robert Scoble
oooh, an unboxing
- Dale Lature
I have a ton of videos to turn on after the show too. Starting to recover from SXSW.
- Robert Scoble
GarageBand on the iPad is the greatest app for hack musicians of all time.
- John Taschek
Still waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
speaking of which, has everyone turned on Gmail's new Smart Labels? That's the single most productive thing I've done this year.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be on, unless this rain takes out the power/net
- Kevin Marks
More about them here: http://lifehacker.com/#!57801...
- Robert Scoble
Just got the call, we'll be on air shortly.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know why but when I visit links to Gawker sites the actual page doesn't load, just some page full of related stories
- David Lloyd
thanks, Robert
- Jerome Hughes
that's the hashbang fail, David. See also: http://xkcd.com/869/
- Kevin Marks
Hi Steve, sorry I showed up
- Ross Mayfield
There was great shit at sxsw, like Ditto, but it got lost in the noise
- Ross Mayfield
Ross: I like the idea of Ditto more than I like the execution.
- Robert Scoble
version 1 dude
- Ross Mayfield
but yes, you see a lot of version 1s
- Ross Mayfield
I like ditto, except it's iPhone only, so not very usable
- Kevin Marks
Ross: I know, I will give Jyri feedback about what doesn't work for me.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: very usable for me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
yeah, if you dont have an iphone its not very usable
- Ross Mayfield
The new Comdex
- Eric - seven eleven
Windows PC's stopped crashing a long time ago
- David Lloyd
twitter and foursquare both bridged modalities, sms to web, mobile app to web. made it very viable to communicate with many people.
- Kevin Marks
I have an iPod touch, I can try it on wifi, but...
- Kevin Marks
Google Circles!
- David Lloyd
Pricing discrimination by device for the NYT
- David Lloyd
Is the NYT on the web still going to be free?
- Stephen Pickering
The NYT times should have picked a time where access to news didn't matter. Less interesting times.
- Ross Mayfield
this is a christian scientist plot
- Ross Mayfield
The thing is some of us follow hundreds of links a day, and if every news site starts charging... will be laying out hundreds of bucks a month :D
- David Lloyd
Winer will maybe start a feed river for us and we can click through for free hehe.
- David Lloyd
there's that name again, i do not know that it means what people think it means
- Ross Mayfield
So all I have to do if I am past my 20 article limit on NYT, is to TWEET the link to the 21st article and then follow it, and I'm in.
- Dale Lature
Yes Dale
- David Lloyd
NYT should create a digital version that has opinion and longer pieces. Forget keeping up with the news.
- Alex de Soto
so, um, are you arguing that paper is dead?
- Ross Mayfield
A firefox / google addon will probably come out which amends something to a url to make it trick it into appearing like a link has been clicked.
- David Lloyd
yes, Ross http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
FT.com not convenient using links to avoid subscription (but doing it)
- clive boulton
so 2006
- Ross Mayfield
David, wasn't a question, but thanks for answering
- Dale Lature
I know it sounded like a qtn...dont want to come off smart aleck
- Dale Lature
What killed the NYT credibility is when they went into the tank for Bush's Iraq War. That was just unreal. Everyone in the entire world knew Sadam had no WMD's or had anything to do with it except the CIA and NYT.
- Stephen Pickering
National Edition of WSJ Circulation (print I assume): 1,678,498
- Alex de Soto
NYT Circulation: http://www.nytimes.whsites.net/mediaki...
- Alex de Soto
no Stephen, most people thought Saddam did have WMD, arguably including Saddam
- Kevin Marks
Is wired mag on ipad (fed up with paper)
- clive boulton
not having to think about it is the problem. news only with the ability to tweet and like is boring.
- Ross Mayfield
I tweet hundred year old articles out...
- Kevin Marks
i want an old ticker tape machine hooked up to twitter
- Ross Mayfield
http://www.google.com/s2... is Google's social circles, shipped last year
- Kevin Marks
Yeah Kevin but the NYT was reporting things as fact in that case that had no substantiation. Their reporter, Judith Miller I believe was almost just acting as a mouthpiece for the Admin
- Stephen Pickering
Google hired Ed Chi to inject social scents.
- clive boulton
iPad2 toting communists?
- Alex de Soto
my 8 year old only uses his ipad for games, thousands of free games
- Ross Mayfield
i seriously regret not getting him a hackable computer
- Ross Mayfield
Garageband and iMovie are what are going to sell a lot of iPad2s
- Stephen Pickering
Garageband iPad is freaking incredible. That's the direction of the future.
- Stephen Pickering
for a kid, the instant gratification of free crap in the itunes store is as much of a problem as the lack of creation tools
- Ross Mayfield
now click a link on the paper
- Ian McGee
The paradigm of the iPad is removing the intimidation and introducing fun and intimacy with computing and communications
- Stephen Pickering
iO Dock Pro Audio Dock For iPad is really cool If you're using GarageBand http://bit.ly/g4ooLl
- Nir Ben Yona
We need Andrew for this
- Dale Lature
Hah I just finished reading volume one of that book Kevin
- David Lloyd
Johns PC mag #2 looks like whole earth catalog
- clive boulton
Nir Ben can you connect an interface to that or something?
- Stephen Pickering
@Stephen Of course, that's the point :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Stephen: Totally agree about Garageband! Amazing technology.
- John Taschek
John, was it deboned?
- Jerome Hughes
see, sxsw is destroying the greatest minds of the tech industry
- Ross Mayfield
You should see it compared to my Computer Shopper, which is now too heavy to lift.
- John Taschek
Ross: at least for a week. :-)
- Robert Scoble
For print users like Danny: Check out this Tech Support video from the middle ages: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Alex de Soto
And good luck! hehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
I got a bunch of those old computer mags which are 500 pages thick and 400 of those pages are ads for 16MB ram chips and pentium 333s!
- David Lloyd
Interesting from the same PC Mag cover: "IBM makes serious Music"
- John Taschek
Little known story - Computer Shopper had to up its editorial content frequently to avoid being labled as junk mail which would incur substantially more postal costs.
- John Taschek
is there an interesting AR app for the iPad 2 yet?
- Ross Mayfield
open the mag up John and let us know the speed of some of the CPUs for sale back then!
- David Lloyd
Krugman just wrote this: Yes. We encourage links from Facebook, Twitter, search engines, blogs and social media. When you visit NYTimes.com through a link from one of these channels, that article (or video, slide show, etc.) will count toward your monthly limit of 20 free articles, but you will still be able to view it even if you’ve already read your 20 free articles.
- Dale Lature
FT.com using same paywall link logic
- clive boulton
that makes sense, Dale. Stop the 'you evil buggers broke the web' reaction I have to WaPo or FT now
- Kevin Marks
Marketing and Promotions Director for Conde Nast says the Wired.com app will be replicated across the media network.
- Alex Williams
First ad in PC Mag: Microsoft announces BASIC "If flying your IBM PC got any more realistic, you'd need a license (also an ad for Flight Simulator)
- John Taschek
Online News Consumption, Revenue Overtake Print for the First Time http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- empiricator
You might pay for really good curation of the news.
- Alex de Soto
Online News Consumption, Revenue Overtake Print for the First Time http://www.pcmag.com/article... - You (edit | delete)
- empiricator
Supercalc has a spread ad.
- John Taschek
we'll be forced to subscribe to people
- Ross Mayfield
First ad for hardware: Cameo advertising backup for Zenith and Eagle computers.
- John Taschek
@alex thx Wired was my last mag subscription (apart from ACM.org)
- clive boulton
404 empiricator
- Kevin Marks
we already subscribe to people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
good article, empiricator: http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Kevin Marks
@kevin thanks
- empiricator
and the ipad is a catalyst for legitimizing the web
- Stephen Pickering
Interruptive ads anywhere are in trouble unless they're damn good. Look at the backlash to Twitter's quick bar.
- Alex de Soto
I notice ads which catch my interest. I saw an ad for an Alfred Hitchcock boxed set and ended up laying down £30 for it. Rebecca (best film of all time) :D
- David Lloyd
Brits love adverts. hehehehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
kinect camera can track the eyes, then inject the ads where eyes are
- clive boulton
We don't love adverts but we love the fact that the BBC has no adverts so our drama last a full hour and not 44 minutes.
- David Lloyd
iPad and publishing: What about the rumored magazine standards that Apple could be working on?
- Alex de Soto
perhaps there would be a larger percentage coming from an app that are not quite motivated to get there via Safari ?
- Jerome Hughes
o_O Alex - the standard is HTML, like it is for Books
- Kevin Marks
or to make someone else the money tomorrow
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin: This is what I was referring to: http://www.fastcompany.com/1738528...
- Alex de Soto
Brit ads often have superbowl quality
- clive boulton
There's no question. The only drawback is that its killing my eyes
- Stephen Pickering
he said "killing" not "killed"
- David Lloyd
Zuck should put FF group chat in FB great #ux
- clive boulton
I just hope he doesn't turn FF off!
- Stephen Pickering
The iPad is rocking it in medicine. Physicians are really into them. 1 in 5 plan to buy one: http://www.epocrates.com/company...
- Alex de Soto
Flipscam! hehehehehhehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
try this website, Robert: http://www.nytimes.com/chrome
- Kevin Marks
WOW, thats a nice link Kevin
- David Lloyd
Love the NYT Chrome app. I guess they'll be charging for access to that too.
- Alex de Soto
i think iPad is indeed "the Web", but Web 4.0 or whatever number we're on is more invested inthe interface, like the Tablet (which now IS the iPad)
- Dale Lature
Never seen the Times like that before
- David Lloyd
I know the general philosophy, but where can a new father find an RSS feed of this show (audio or video) to catch up on the last month's episodes? The baby is lovely, but I'm having GG withdrawals...
- Chris Aldrich
how do Physicians sterilize iPad...
- clive boulton
The NPR Chome app is also a standout as is Sports Illustrated. I read them on my free CR-48 and I'm thrilled.
- Alex de Soto
Kevin: yes, and that's not nearly as nice as reading on a Tablet, er, an iPad.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, and THAT isn't NEARLY as nice as Flipboard.
- Robert Scoble
Funny @cliveb. Autoclaves would not work. Glue would melt. ;)
- Alex de Soto
Kevin, because it only has one source.
- Robert Scoble
Echoing Chris -- audio podcast against would be nice as well. Some of us have more time to listen in cars.
- Ian McGee
on that NYT link with Top News is the answer to Sgteve's wondering about NYT journalists that were missing: "http://www.nytimes.com/2011..."
- Dale Lature
so, let flipboard make a web app
- Kevin Marks
Glenn Beck will go off on them if Scoble is right about him joining the Obama team
- David Lloyd
Yep, Robert, one source. The aggregate is the key
- Dale Lature
Glenn Beck already went off on Google
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: you miss the point. Touch is a HUGE part of why Flipboard is more enjoyable to use. Same with Feedly, coming soon to both Android tablets and iPads.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, why can't I get Flipboard on my PC?
- David Lloyd
David: can you touch your PC?
- Robert Scoble
Isn't Glenn Beck going off on something how you know you're doing it right?
- Ian McGee
@Alex the Windows tablet is autoclave compatible! (nothing to melt)
- clive boulton
No but I can move my mouse curser instead of my finger
- David Lloyd
David: not the same.
- Robert Scoble
I can touch my Air, great trackpad gestures
- Kevin Marks
David: the iPad is superior for reading.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: not the screen.
- Robert Scoble
and I don't need to lift my knees up to balance it either
- Kevin Marks
I love the views of Steve's studio.
- Alex Williams
Surely a PC is the best way to read the news while you are at home. (or Mac)
- David Lloyd
Why would anyone read the news on their pad while sitting in their office ?
- David Lloyd
well, David, lots of people are reading on iPads, with things like instapaper
- Kevin Marks
David: I disagree. The iPad is in the midst of a revolution in how we'll read news. More when Feedly ships at end of month.
- Robert Scoble
David - because they'd like to sit back and manipulate items directly
- Jerome Hughes
I read a lot on my android phone around the house and on the move
- Kevin Marks
And I should say "Tablets" not just iPads, since Feedly will work on Android too.
- Robert Scoble
David - totally disagree. I can curl up with my iPad
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And it's not the only tablet-based app that's totally changing how I read news.
- Robert Scoble
PC not a lean back experience
- clive boulton
The PC isn't going away, but it sucks for reading on the couch.
- Robert Scoble
Or in bed.
- Robert Scoble
I want a backlit Kindle, its just about the best reading device for me when relaxing
- David Lloyd
another 2006 post of mine: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
I always thought when the web started up that like "oh hey now the NYT can have its own TV station"
- Stephen Pickering
We are in the middle of a real revolution. One which will be more apparent over next month or two. (I've seen a few apps coming that are mind blowing and NOT on PCs).
- Robert Scoble
David: that's impossible. Kindle uses eInk screens which REQUIRE front facing light.
- Robert Scoble
air is good on the couch; android is good standing up
- Kevin Marks
David: just get Kindle on an iPad. Use it in bed. Kindle everywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
They are awesome. I just love holding them!
- Stephen Pickering
It might be impossible now, but who knows what the next version of eInk will be capable of in a couple of years
- David Lloyd
I would use the ipad for reading books but its too damn heavy
- David Lloyd
Kindle on the phone too
- Kevin Marks
I wish it weighed 150 grams less and had half the battery ;p
- David Lloyd
The nice part of standalone kindle is that there isn't anything else there, so one is forced to focus on the content more concertedly.
- Chris Aldrich
That's right David, that's the only drawback to me, all day on computer and iPad, my vision is going rapidly
- Stephen Pickering
When the funnies get a great app, newsprint will be in real trouble.
- Alex de Soto
iPod Touch is a nice device too
- Kevin Marks
I just finished reading a hardcover Folio edition of the decline and fall of the Roman empire, it weighs 75% less than an Ipad and I thought that was too heavy to comfortably read for a long period :D
- David Lloyd
I tell you, watching TV through Slingbox on iPad is killer
- Stephen Pickering
I have the Everyman one, but I do buy Folio too
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Cost a couple of pounds from one of those dusty second hand book shops you find in backstreets of England
- David Lloyd
Call me old-fashioned, but I find it a bit scary to hold an iPad (a device that undoubtedly radiates) and read for hours.
- Nir Ben Yona
iPhone went into established market, iPad established a new market
- Jerome Hughes
Nir, do you have a phone in your pocket with 7 radios in
- Kevin Marks
I try to put my iphone as far as possible from my pocket. Most of the time in my bag. It scares me.
- Nir Ben Yona
Stop all talking at once please
- David Lloyd
When I bought my Verizon iPhone, a clerk said that maybe ATT would get better after everybody switched away
- Ross Mayfield
geez the overtalking is incredible today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: too much coffee.
- Robert Scoble
You cannot watch Al jazeera Live on the ipad :(
- David Lloyd
$140 android tablet at QVC http://www.qvc.com/qic...
- Kevin Marks
The only thing that could possibly hurt the iPad is if they somehow start to restrict content, ie if they run Amazon off the platform
- Stephen Pickering
iPad is still missing a solid cloud solution like the cr-48 has. Syncing with a cable is so old.
- Alex de Soto
Because you don't like itunes.
- Todd Hoff
I bet that $140 tablet will sell for £299 over here heh.
- David Lloyd
I bought the nexus on for T-Mobile, still love the phone.
- Michael Breslin
Alex totally agree.
- Stephen Pickering
You buy this "Post PC Ipad" and you need a computer to use it :)
- David Lloyd
"post PC but Pc needed to use" Ipad
- David Lloyd
It's not just not liking iTunes, its that I've got two macs and I wish I could buy content on whichever one I'm on, but I can't if I want it to sync
- Stephen Pickering
David: good point, but you don't need one. Just go into Apple store and they will set it up for you. But how many people don't have a PC/Mac that are gonna buy a Tablet?
- Robert Scoble
But I agree, that's one of the cool features of my Xoom.
- Robert Scoble
Cellphones were around for a long time too. Then came the iPhone.
- Alex de Soto
I was just pointing out it's a bit egregious to describe the ipad as a post-pc device
- David Lloyd
It would be like describing a hybrid car as post-petrolium, when you need to put oil in it still
- David Lloyd
What about IBM Steve?
- Chris Aldrich
I love this show, feels like a secret hidden show only a few people know about
- David Lloyd
It's because Steve killed it's RSS feed David.
- Chris Aldrich
Well Office IS DEAD despite the last version breaking all sales records for the series :D
- David Lloyd
David: momentum is hard to kill. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Wonder if share of non-Apple mp3 players is one predictor of non-ipad tablets?
- Amyloo
still waiting for the iPad tohave video creation tools and a decent video camera
- Dale Lature
For our sake I hope Apple doesn't end up with 95% tablet market share
- David Lloyd
ala ipod vs mp3 players
- David Lloyd
they shipped that, dale
- Kevin Marks
lot of mp3-playing phones
- Kevin Marks
shipped what?...iPad2 camera sucks for video...now they're saying iPad 3 in Nov will have it
- Dale Lature
David: I predict 90% this year. 75% next.
- Robert Scoble
Of course somewhere in the world maybe a super hot tablet is being developed right now...
- David Lloyd
My wife is perfectly happy with reading Mags on her cheap color Nook. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
- Alex de Soto
the ipad is destroying the web
- Ross Mayfield
How do you itterate a tablet every year and not run out of ways to make it feel new?
- David Lloyd
I mean, its a chunk of glass
- David Lloyd
Ross: the Web will come back. :-) Although it might look like an app. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
If someone out there would actually care about building beautiful products as much as Apple does, then maybe someone else could get some traction
- Stephen Pickering
should have talked about how apple is deprecating web apps on the iphone and ipad
- Ross Mayfield
David Lloyd, after a certain point it may be the software that carries the iteration burden, if you look at PCs.
- Amyloo
not deprecating web apps, just speeded up the browser more than fullscreen apps
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: the problem is it costs money to build beautiful products.
- Robert Scoble
longer story, another time
- Ross Mayfield
Microsoft should build Office apps for iOS and Android.
- Alex de Soto
url, ross?
- Kevin Marks
Go CDMA!! and QCOM! hehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
will DM
- Ross Mayfield
Thanks everyone for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
Ballmer will keep hope alive or begone
- clive boulton
sorry i showed up Steve, thanks all
- Ross Mayfield
excellent , guys. Thanks
- Dale Lature
Until next time.
- Nir Ben Yona
flucso is a data aggregator, a social networks client application and more. open source, cross-platform, highly customizable. discussion, screens and videos on http://friendfeed.com/flucso - http://code.google.com/p...
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thanks! actually it's quite stable but definitely incomplete, and I need to make it more user-friendly...
- esorciccio
Che cos'è Flucso?
- Chiara Confalonieri
beh è un software che aggrega dati, tipo da feed di blog e news e servizi social (facebook ecc), e funziona anche da client
- esorciccio
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I don't mind CNN.com publishing my phone number. Many calls this morning from random folks is draining the phone battery, however. #privacy
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Uh...What?
- Rahsheen?
In the event you missed it, Rah: http://www.cnn.com/2010...
- Louis Gray
CNN is all for the End of Privacy, it seems. No question marks on the topic headers (but deep in the story). I'm sure they'd love it to become a fact. For the public good, of course.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Yet his controversial thoughts of sleep go unreported in mass media. Typical biased media just protecting thier own... #Wikisleeps
- Johnny
from iPhone
I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to ring Louis just because of this (not the silly CNN thing)
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I'm wondering why renting a breast pump is potentially embarrassing? Especially considering you have a premature child and breast pumps rented from the hospital work better than one Kristine could have bought at the store.
- Elena
Well that article is completely tasteless.
- Eric - seven eleven
from iPhone
I have gotten about 60-70 calls thus far. Lots of texts as well.
- Louis Gray
I wrote back to my good friend Pea.
- Louis Gray
The CNN article starts off pandering to rubbernecking lollygaggers who will not read to the end (where there is arguably some actual information). Trying to imagine how it would read if it was about someone I didn't know anything about.
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
All the fun people who called me seemed genuinely concerned that CNN had outed my data. Many thought I had not participated in the article, but had been used as an example. :)
- Louis Gray
My first thought was, "Wow, does Louis know about this article?"
- Rochelle
My second thought was, "Where's Friendfeed in this article?"
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My third thought was, "Louis Gray Rocks!"
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I wanna know how you keep your grocery bill so low.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
And I'm kinda disappointed your phone number isn't 222-2222-
- Headless Gnad Kicker
WHAT THE!
- Micah
#bitchlips Got no return text ->
- Derrick
Wait what? You were in on it? you, YOU!
- Eric - seven eleven
Did you ever track down the joker who stole your ID? If not, send the bill to CNN.
- Liza + = ?
CNN - if you are going to be tasteless, alt least be clever. A few bullet points don't cut it. Yes, I am likely the last to read the article, but if others have not yet read it, don't bother. I love the Gray Family, and think CNN has content envy:)
- Liza + = ?
CNN sees breast pumps as "interesting -- and potentially embarrassing -- purchases"..where is the mommy blogger flashmob when you need it?
- Liza + = ?
Liza, I found "renting a breast pump" seemingly somewhat embarrassing, and confused why they would be rentable, the seem like an intimate item, that you wouldn't want to share.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Fair enough, but it's a common practice, and it's surprising that CNN would not know/research it before publishing it.
- Liza + = ?
I'm curious - have any of the "privacy is a passé concept" people been women?
- Spidra Webster
I see privacy as gone, but not on certain issues. That said, I don't claim to represent of the "voice of women on the internet", but great question.
- Liza + = ?
Next thing you know, they'll be publishing your TSA backscatter x-ray.
- Morton Fox
Public schmublic. :)
- Louis Gray
CW, if I gave that away, would that not make us less secure? :)
- Louis Gray
It would be my privilege to share Cristo's trailer.
- Louis Gray
Louis needs Google Voice - not in contacts list, forward to voice mail
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you know me. I am not a fan of Google and its products.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I think you should buy an iPhone then - I hear they can do anything
- Jesse Stay
I openly publish that my neighbors, as do I, own guns, and big dogs, and some of us can rightfully carry them concealed. :-) That's my own personal security plan.
- Jesse Stay
Not far from me a burglar got shot by the home owner because he was trying to break in. The police are completely supportive of the home owner. I love Utah.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, if I owned an iPhone, it would drop the 911 call.
- Louis Gray
True story: I still keep my original cell phone in my car and we keep it charged as an emergency backup phone for 911 if my wife ever needs it. Still works great.
- Jesse Stay
Did you get some businesses from the calls? lol
- Solveigh Calderin
cross posted here http://friendfeed.com/slashpd...
- Peter Dawson
Up until now, I did not know that Louis is "not a fan of Google and its products". Another nugget of Louis's transparency is now revealed (or I missed).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I hate between the letters, next thing you'll tell me is that I should add numbers in between them in my passwords! ;-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I posted your number on Craigslist today. Any interesting calls yet? ;)
- Liza + = ?
Liza, not that I am aware of!
- Louis Gray
Mark, I believe Cristo is right (again).
- Louis Gray
I thought they had shut down the adult services?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
WoH, you clearly don't have admin access.
- Louis Gray
Ahhhh, and, LG, who knew you had so many 'secrets'? Except for CNN that is.
- Liza + = ?
CNN is my BFF.
- Louis Gray
You said I was.
- Liza + = ?
I clearly don't LG. Wanna hook me up?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Your blog is on blogger owned by Google, is that why you don't like Google? Too difficult to switch to wordpress, now that you are established on blogger?
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
BEST PIECE OF INFO CNN DID NOT CAPTURE - your beeper
- Liza + = ?
Joe, I use many Google products. I was teasing Jesse.
- Louis Gray
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GroupOn? Gadgets? Google geekiness? All waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Don't suppose you'll discuss Wikileaks? ;-) ... very troubled by the censorship and lock down and the scared rabbits we have become ...
- Xenophrenia
Weird the talking heads on my TV all say it's terrorism, you mean I shouldn't trust them?
- Michael Breslin
Xenophrenia: it's more complicated than that. Did you see the Amazon response to why they kicked them off?
- Robert Scoble
;-) ... no ... because they don't want they're message disrupted by this damn internet thing
- Xenophrenia
It's not just Amazon Robert .. the Library of Congress is blocking access to it on their wi-fi now
- Xenophrenia
The question is what will be the political favor amazon asks for in return.
- Michael Breslin
The Gu's "tattoo" http://tumblr.com/x0dyafhwv
- clive boulton
And what consequences were they 'threatened' with if they didn't
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: I believe @werner when they said they weren't threatened with anything.
- Robert Scoble
I don't like this at all ;-( ... first the DHS is removing sites (at least their domains) ... now this sort of thing
- Xenophrenia
It's quite possible they just wanted to be removed from the shit storm, they have to think about their other customers as well.
- Michael Breslin
Xeno: welcome to the new, friendlier, China.
- Robert Scoble
maybe not explicitly ...
- Xenophrenia
;-) .. exactly Robert
- Xenophrenia
I don't want to become China though
- Xenophrenia
Michael: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Freedom of speech/freedom of the press was getting old anyway.
- Michael Breslin
Well - we lost the 4th amendment - why not the 1st .. ;-)
- Xenophrenia
The DEA had taken the 4th long before the TSA did ;-) ... *sigh* ... I'll stop now ...
- Xenophrenia
Just talked to Steve, we'll be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for the delay
- Robert Scoble
His daughter took an unplanned trip to emergency room.
- Robert Scoble
I find the talk of the P2P DNS interesting ... anyone here know anything about that or how it would work?
- Xenophrenia
Bill Hill, inventor of Cleartype has a new music video on Youtube and its great: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Lloyd
Glad to have been able to catch the last couple GGs live.
- Michael Breslin
Michael Copps, of the FCC, has some interesting comments about journalism earlier in the week, though he didn't touch on the Wikileaks topic http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news... (original story: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta...)
- Chris Aldrich
She's okay Robert? ... didn't that happen not real long ago too?
- Xenophrenia
Bill Hill was great in his Channel 9 videos, nod to Scoble for that. :)
- Michael Breslin
He was my first interview at Microsoft. Love him.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for the delay. Everything is getting hooked up.
- Robert Scoble
I see Kevin ;-) ... hello Kevin
- Xenophrenia
hi Xeno
- Kevin Marks
Bill HIll is one of those guys you could listen to talk about any subject for hours and hours.
- David Lloyd
I think Andrew Keen just got visited by Jehovah's Witnesses. We're live now.
- Robert Scoble
we need a Brady Bunch intro...
- Kevin Marks
Andrew is Oompa Loompa Orange
- Kevin Marks
I have a laptop attached to my television ;-) .. and haven't had cable television in years
- Xenophrenia
Bandwidth is infinite - George Gilder
- Stephen Pickering
Feels like a conversation from the past..
- dan farber
Comcast / L3 = Bit-torrent replay
- clive boulton
So has Comcast blocked Netflix?
- Stephen Pickering
Comcast asked L3 for fees
- clive boulton
Pickerring: No; they are just negotiating.
- coldbrew
But channel capacity is finite - Claude Shannon
- Chris Aldrich
There are an infinite number of colors of light, and each color can be a channel
- Stephen Pickering
Video files are really handy when you need to clear disc space...
- Kevin Marks
and if you lose access to the internet?
- Xenophrenia
no more movie
- Xenophrenia
3 strikes!
- Stephen Pickering
with just accusations
- Xenophrenia
do you remember the Qwest commercials from 10 years ago?
- Kevin Marks
we will never be offline ... hmm ... altruistic
- Xenophrenia
As finished as RSS :)
- coldbrew
there are a lot of people don't have this sort of access and if the economic disparity between the lower and higher classes means those who don't have access are screwed in other words
- Xenophrenia
you don't need to stream them, you can download them and start playing while they are downloading
- Kevin Marks
if i rent a dvd from netflix, can I rip said dvd to my imac?
- Stephen Pickering
not legally ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I remain unconvinced that there is a demand to match Hollywood's desire to produce 3D
- Andrew Hazlett
but yes - technically you can
- Xenophrenia
My friend runs KQED Quest, which shoots in HD, and now serves 1080p if you want it http://www.kqed.org/quest/
- Kevin Marks
Andrew: my late adopter brother in law bought a 3DTV. You'd be shocked to learn that there are SOME people who will want 3D.
- Robert Scoble
I live on the edge since I am currently unemployed ... I may lose access to my broadband ... then what? ... if I don't have stuff here I will be left with nothing if everything goes to online
- Xenophrenia
100Mbit fibre ta-da solution!
- clive boulton
it seems many here seem to not be aware that there are other people in the world without the access you have
- Xenophrenia
Light Peak vs USB3?
- Alex de Soto
Privilege Denying Scoble strikes again, Xenophrenia?
- Kevin Marks
? ... I didn't say he was denying me privileges ... just pointing out that the cloud may not be always available for some
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: true enough! :-) But then if you live in a tent in Africa you probably have a series 60 Nokia phone and nothing else. So, I don't need to worry about them too much.
- Robert Scoble
Xenophrenia: the numbers of people who don't have access to cloud go down every day.
- Robert Scoble
So I should move to Africa? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Xenophrenia: and this show is about the bleeding edge, which is moving to Netflix streaming VERY quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert doesn't care about normal people. :x
- Michael Breslin
But there are things that could severely disrupt that access ... and then what ... hell ... Northern lights have brought down power in Canada before
- Xenophrenia
Michael: right. :-) Normal people copy us eventually.
- Robert Scoble
I know I like having a 4TB NAS.
- coldbrew
I'm just saying that there are considerations
- Xenophrenia
Xeno: when the net goes down, I just visit my friends and start drinking.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: hehehehe
- Xenophrenia
Did anyone see the Ari Emmanuel interview at Web 2.0?
- Stephen Pickering
fibre to home, problem gone
- clive boulton
Is Ari's interview online Stephen?
- Chris Aldrich
boulton: What's the cost per home to deploy?
- coldbrew
Chris, yes, they have all the Web 2.0 summit interviews on youtube
- Stephen Pickering
the cloud generation won't be so much collectors as connectors
- dan farber
yes dan, connectors , sharers and reconnectors
- Kevin Marks
coldrew: cost / home too high
- clive boulton
cost/home is about the cost of a new fence
- Kevin Marks
I can't imagine that Emmanuel or any of the other Hollywood establishment really and truly get any of the new technology that is being discussed here.
- Chris Aldrich
We'd already have fiber to the home if there weren't telecom regulation
- Stephen Pickering
As for comcast and their ilk, they planned on charging toll fees when they bought/laid the pipes, assuming their lobby would be strong enough to crush any oposition.
- Michael Breslin
And as things are in the cloud how much easier to control the message will it be? ...
- Xenophrenia
cartels always get disrupted... eventually
- Andrew Hazlett
Ari said .99 was too low for a song, and that Jobs had screwed the labels, and they weren't going to let that happen to video
- Stephen Pickering
The problem with the entertainment establishment is that the financial models of the "old" distribution and the "new" distribution don't meet nicely in the middle. It's going to take a massive and very painful transition to bridge the gap.
- Chris Aldrich
Verizon is provisioning fibre to home (Comcast is not)
- clive boulton
Jobs saved the labels. He gave them ALL the money from iTunes sales
- Kevin Marks
Jobs makes money selling devices
- Kevin Marks
The value of media ownership goes down as quality content requiring 1080p becomes scarcer (for me). I don't buy as many blu-ray movies and am content with Netflix because there aren't as many new good movies that interest me.
- Alex de Soto
Michael, that's right, and using government to competitive advantage is not true capitalism
- Stephen Pickering
Verizon is no longer provisioining any more fiber.
- coldbrew
We moved the living room around, and now the Sofa is further from the TV, so netflix quality is good enough ;)
- Kevin Marks
we will not have copies of important files that could quietly start 'disappearing' online ... I tend to see what can go wrong ... and unfortunately have seen it happen too often ... I don't want to say I told you so ... but I see it ... the possibility of it
- Xenophrenia
Coldbrew: Why VZ stopped?
- clive boulton
I agree Kevin, and then Ari really went off on O'Reilly who suggested DRM free video would help sales
- Stephen Pickering
What you call it is irrelevant, it's reality. It will happen, net neutrality will lose imo, too much money is at stake for big companies.
- Michael Breslin
boulton: They are concentrating on getting more of their footprint subscribed.
- coldbrew
Provisioning fiber is phenomenally expensive... The reason the last mile is called a "problem" is that the cost is so high.
- Chris Aldrich
Ari who? Missed the original link
- Kevin Marks
Chris: and part of recouping that cost is charging tolls, this was the plan from the beginning.
- Michael Breslin
We need an AMD to bust Comcast/ VZ lock on last mile
- clive boulton
@Kevin Ari Emmanuel a talent agent and one of the heads of William Morris Agency
- Chris Aldrich
Breslin: Will "white space" spectrum help in forcing comptetition?
- coldbrew
Ari Emmanuel, the Super Agent in Hollywood, he was interviewed at the Web 2.0 summit, he's the brother of Rahm Emmanuel
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see how, the fat pipes are owned by big companies, they have all the leverage imo.
- Michael Breslin
He's the model for the character Ari Gold on Entourage
- Stephen Pickering
kill themselves by avoiding suicide?
- Xenophrenia
there's the Beatles reference
- Tina Chase Gillmor
iOs is the Beatles, Android is the Stones
- Stephen Pickering
It's not the Gillmor Gang without the Beatles. :-) Neil Young reference coming next. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
All refs. are Beatles on some level unless otherwise specified. :)
- Micah
The Junior Boys (Canadian Artist)
- clive boulton
Because he's an agent and his business model involves taking 10% off someone else's work, Ari Emmanuel is NOT going to be in a position to discuss where entertainment ought to go -- it's one of the few areas over which he has any influence.
- Chris Aldrich
One of them will be around in 40 years
- Stephen Pickering
Neil!
- Arnie Klaus
Tina, which daughter went to the ER? Everything okay?
- Francine Hardaway
In the long run, youtube will be the attack on the Cartel
- Stephen Pickering
In the four years of 2006 to 2009, music purchases increased from a record starting point of 1 billion purchases to the new record point of 1.5 billion music purchases.
- Kevin Marks
This doesn't mean many musicians are making money
- Francine Hardaway
No way stephen, the attack on the cartel will come when a massively popular smash television-like series is released online.
- Michael Breslin
All of this is a DISTRIBUTION PROBLEM at its root. Why isn't anyone discussing this aspect of the issue?
- Chris Aldrich
The difference is today, a lot more smaller artists can make a living selling a few thousand records, and touring
- Stephen Pickering
Francine - Naomi weird severe leg pain
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Many people are making pittances
- Francine Hardaway
distribution is now solved for music
- Kevin Marks
The internet itself is the great distribution disruptor
- Stephen Pickering
we are never going to make the huge numbers anymore ... if we use that as a comparison ... it will always come up short ... everyone wants to go back tot the 'golden age' ... it ain't gonna happen
- Xenophrenia
She okay now Tina?
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin: correct, and it's why piracy of _music_ is way down.
- Michael Breslin
Chris: You're right. It's promotion and distribution worldwide to make the big $$$.
- Alex de Soto
Neil Young. *bing!*
- Micah
http://zoekeating.com/ topped Billboard and iTunes charts with self-recorded album
- Kevin Marks
When you allow your product to be accessed easily at a reasonable price suddenly piracy becomes minimal.
- Michael Breslin
That's because Neil Young released it at 24-bit 196K, had to be on DVD
- Stephen Pickering
I ran a budget for a start up television network in July which included the startup and operation for one year providing 80 hours a week of live content. It ran at $50M versus the approximately $500M that networks like Bravo, TLC, or The Food Network were running at about 5 years ago.
- Chris Aldrich
Fifty years ago musicians could not support themselves either.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine - left her there. Think everything ok but don't know diagnosis yet
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The Long Tail
- Stephen Pickering
The record companies used to make the money. Now the bandwidth companies and Apple make the money
- Francine Hardaway
Now the lawyers make the mone
- Xenophrenia
money
- Xenophrenia
The source makes the money. The artists doesn't
- Francine Hardaway
DVRs will be around for a while.
- Alex de Soto
Same thing will go for movies, netflix started it but their play now selection is crap, when you can easily get any movie you'd want to watch at a reasonable price, nirvana!
- Michael Breslin
Cloud storage costs less and more competitive than home storage?
- Arnie Klaus
That's a whole other issue, Steve. You have to order it off a TV informercial llike the music of WWII LOL
- Francine Hardaway
Rust never sleeps is best scratchy
- Arnie Klaus
iPad is not comfortable for reading, I find
- Andrew Hazlett
Look at the history of publishing from Gutenberg: books, newspapers, radio, television... Over time it's become cheaper and cheaper for a larger audience to produce content. Networks like this one or even Leo Laporte's twit.tv have such a minimal cost that the average user will be able to run a tv station out of their home bathroom. The real difference will be the quality of the content.
- Chris Aldrich
Andrew: it's comfortable enough and the one coming next year is gonna have an ultra res screen.
- Robert Scoble
Getting both Andrew?! Think of the trees!
- Michael Breslin
Lilly Allen, Amy Winehouse, Duffy - all MySpace launches
- clive boulton
Chris: the quality of the content is going up on our bedroom nextworks. A $100 webcam is now HD.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: bedroom networks? ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Scoble: You have a bedroom cam?
- coldbrew
no Francine, Apple gives 70% of cover price to labels. The labels don't pass it on to the artists.
- Kevin Marks
sorry ... couldn't resist
- Xenophrenia
coldbrew: we're all in our bedrooms. :-)
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: Gillmor Gang is actually done from a bedroom in his home. So am I.
- Robert Scoble
Ah... didn't know that ratio Kevin
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble: I should have guessed...
- coldbrew
I am in Chelsea's kitchen
- Francine Hardaway
Casey Casem (sp) cares.
- Michael Breslin
Good episode this week isn't it folks
- David Lloyd
@Robert: I didn't mean the quality in terms of the "technical" but rather the quality in terms of consumption... the difference in softer value between the movie Titanic and the YouTube video your cousin just shot. The desire to see either of these two is vastly different because of this perceived quality.
- Chris Aldrich
(Sidebar: Just switched over to Gillmor Gang Live Stream via Android Ustream Beta - working fine).
- Micah
Chris: and YouTube is catching up very quickly. I can now distribute 1080p via it and I think they are now taking 4K files.
- Robert Scoble
Francine - Chelsea FC? (ur tops)
- clive boulton
you can buy the liner notes on the kindle?
- Kevin Marks
The problem is the upload speed. That's why I cut my shows down to 480i.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, that's why I said youtube won't be the cartel killer, it's going to take a great quality television-like series to make people realize they can consume something great without having to get it from the content cartel.
- Michael Breslin
Hendrix, LLC makes 100 million a year
- Stephen Pickering
does the fact that 4K is around now mean there will be a whole new generation of TVs beyond 1080p? 4000p ?
- David Lloyd
http://www.kqed.org/quest/ does1080p now, and uses
- Kevin Marks
Yes David, though not soon.
- Michael Breslin
David: eventually. But not soon.
- Robert Scoble
Chelsea my daughter:-)
- Francine Hardaway
The reason music quality has gone down is because the emphasis on live playing has taken a back seat to recording
- Stephen Pickering
=)
- clive boulton
Isn't 4000p going to be a hard sell when its taken this long to get us to 1080p TV
- David Lloyd
it's more dispersed ... you don't have radio stations controlling the music people knew
- Xenophrenia
David: yes. 4k will be used mostly in movie theaters for a while.
- Robert Scoble
Everything is a hard sell, then scoble gets it, then everyone follows.
- Michael Breslin
4000p has bandwidth issues; no time soon for streaming in US....
- Ian McGee
Who needs radio when there's Pandora!
- Stephen Pickering
I'm an NPR junkie, so...
- coldbrew
I dont think the US has network tv in 1080p over the air yet do they?
- David Lloyd
I listen to podcasts in the car, that what I invented them for
- Kevin Marks
No david.
- Michael Breslin
Let's look at the books in the Library of Congress: there are millions and millions but only about one tenth of one percent has the greatest value and the highest circulation and readership. The real question is who will make and distribute the best one tenth of one percent of video entertainment in the next 10 years? Right now big media (Fox, Disney, Sony, et al.) have it.
- Chris Aldrich
Me too Kevin, thanks for inventing them.
- Michael Breslin
1080i yes, though 'over the air' is a bit spurious these days
- Kevin Marks
here in england we get TV in 720p or 1080i only :(
- David Lloyd
terristial radio in the states is horrible, 15 minutes of commericals for every 5 minutes of content, terrible content mind you
- Stephen Pickering
you invented podcasts Kevin? ...
- Xenophrenia
Is Apple only 27inch LED 2560-by-1440
- clive boulton
we have several NPR affiliates and community radio stations in Denver/ Metro with no commercials
- coldbrew
among others, yes - I was the first to sync them to iPods...
- Kevin Marks
Commonwealth Club speeches on podcast plus TWI* shows in my car. No Gillmore Gang anymore since the podcasts died...
- Ian McGee
Thank you Kevin. That's how I have educated myself
- Francine Hardaway
£30 ipod shuffle is perfect for me for podcasts.. I listen to them while running and the ipod weighs 11 grams
- David Lloyd
http://epeus.blogspot.com/2005... Xenophrenia
- Kevin Marks
Do English people jog? heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
;-) ... thank you Kevin ...
- Xenophrenia
Ian: When I miss the live GG, I use youtube2mp3 or something like that, to make an mp3 of the show.
- Michael Breslin
And Robert's streaming to bluetooth to radio is the death-knell for the ridiculously expensive Sirius/XM broadcast model.
- Chris Aldrich
Pandora is the greatest
- Stephen Pickering
I have the voice over feature enabled on my Ipod Shuffle and it has a bug so it keeps going into German language mode...
- David Lloyd
Ian McGee - surprised Ustream hasn't a pod stream option
- clive boulton
Wer Fahr und Fahr an die Autobahn?
- Kevin Marks
MIchael -- I rarely get prepared enough to do it from home. I update Listen on my Android, so dependent on podcasts
- Ian McGee
I give you Lady Gaga
- Francine Hardaway
Just because its in a book with a Harvard Reference doesnt make it right :)
- David Lloyd
there are so many great songs stolen from the folk music etc
- Xenophrenia
Ian: Is Listen good? I have a nexus one by I normally consume audio on my ipod nano for the itunes podcast subscribing/syncing.
- Michael Breslin
Does anyone remember what happened to the Iridium Satellite network when it became much cheaper to do terrestrial cellular phone based technology? Billions and billions lost... The same thing is about to happen to the so-called "big-media."
- Chris Aldrich
Rolling Stones, Beatles ... all of them did it
- Xenophrenia
go look on my iTunes pulse account for all the music my son has downloaded...
- Kevin Marks
Youtube2mp3.... will try thx
- clive boulton
Music is still made for 13 year old girls
- Francine Hardaway
Listen is better than alternatives. Some bugs in forward/back scanning & occasional glitches, but serviceable enough I don't do audio books much anymore.
- Ian McGee
Through what means are they receiving Disney Kids radio Steve?
- Chris Aldrich
Sirius, I believe.
- coldbrew
NO
- Xenophrenia
Listen is OK; it has some flakiness. it nags every time you try and download on cell bandwidth
- Kevin Marks
Ian: Does it remember your position when you pause/stop playing a podcast? (multiple podcasts)
- Michael Breslin
16yo boys with cool haircuts making music for 13yo girls. Nothing chgs!
- clive boulton
Eminem is awesome
- Xenophrenia
yes michael
- Kevin Marks
Yes, I love foulmouthed rap in general
- Francine Hardaway
Dave winer wants a podcast listening device that does that Michael
- David Lloyd
though it forgets which one you were playing
- Kevin Marks
Eminem, Lady Gaga, et al. the cream will always rise to the top.
- Chris Aldrich
Jaron Lanier was a visionary in the 80's, but he's sounded burned out over the last 5...
- Ian McGee
Agree, Ian
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin, sounds great, I'd like to move from carrying phone+nano to just phone.
- Michael Breslin
The only thing I don't like about today's stars such as Eminem is they dont play any instruments
- Stephen Pickering
Steve noted a lot of small musicians are struggling, but no one has a right to be a successful musician so its hard to feel bad that not everyone can be a musicial success
- David Lloyd
Michael -- yes, Listen remembers where you were on multiple streams. Also on Android auto-pauses when I pull the audio cord out.
- Ian McGee
David: I know I told him the nano does everything he wants and he got angry with me and others for suggesting apple. (too expensive he says)
- Michael Breslin
michael look at doubletwist too - thats like itunes, except syncs over wifi as well as tether
- Kevin Marks
I listen to music from all over the place: ITunes, Rdo, Pandora, etc
- Francine Hardaway
Millionaire Dave Winer says the SHuffle is too expensive :)
- David Lloyd
I call BS on the death of the paper book, especially for home reading
- Andrew Hazlett
Stephen: yeah, if you're looking for instrumentals, Eminem ain't it.
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: it's interesting that the PR industry still sends me paper. I hate it.
- Robert Scoble
if you want instrumentals, try Zoe Keating
- Kevin Marks
David: I know right, and since he has macs you'd think he wouldn't mind itunes.
- Michael Breslin
Anyone who loves poetry loves rap. For instruments, try jazz
- Francine Hardaway
who doesn't love a dusty old paperweight on their shelves... or two
- David Lloyd
Barns and Noble coffee shoppe, Steve's right
- clive boulton
or my son's podcast http://funnystories.blogspot.com
- Kevin Marks
The secret is to live next door to the Barnes & Noble!
- Chris Aldrich
Love Steve's downloading in the bookstore story. Reminds me of checking things in stores before buying on Amazon with Prime...
- Ian McGee
Does B&N have comfortable chairs?
- Michael Breslin
The money is in the coffee and pastries anyway
- Ian McGee
B&N has at least 3 comfy chairs
- clive boulton
I wish someone would explain the Level 3 story clearly, its a really confusing story
- David Lloyd
Comcast is definitely the bad guy. They are an unearned monopoly
- Stephen Pickering
Will bookstores eventually make all their money off of coffee and muffins the same way movie theaters stay in business by selling popcorn? (movies = books)
- Chris Aldrich
Lloyd: Couldn't do it well without spamming this thread.
- coldbrew
Andrew: Comcast = NBC Universal = Content = Threatened by netflix.
- Michael Breslin
L3 is Netflix ISP
- clive boulton
movies don't always stay on streaming ..
- Xenophrenia
:D
- David Lloyd
The netflix play it now selection is crap, I said that before.
- Michael Breslin
Bingo Robert...
- Ian McGee
But that's what people want to watch kevin! not the old stuff!
- Michael Breslin
There's something to be said for the zeitgeist for our daily watercooler discussions.
- Chris Aldrich
watch the Man in the White Suit
- Kevin Marks
Glee is very social
- Ian McGee
New = exciting!
- Michael Breslin
I want to watch the original Tron
- Kevin Marks
Then netflix is for you.
- Michael Breslin
I've had plenty of my streaming list go away
- Xenophrenia
My kids love Glee. Me too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Glee isn't on streaming
- Kevin Marks
I'd watch old sereis of glee to catch up
- Kevin Marks
Tina, my 15-year old daughter is *very* into it, as are her friends. And it's very real-time with texting & conversations at school, etc.
- Ian McGee
A few is more than you can get right now Steve, which is NONE.
- Michael Breslin
I go see live theatre instead (yes I am an anomaly, but so is scoble)
- Kevin Marks
Isn't glee on network tv? Free OTA?
- coldbrew
Related, I missed one recently and watched it on Hulu. Almost unwatchable with the ads and streaming problems...
- Ian McGee
the super big screen of a theatre...can't replicate at home
- dan farber
this has been one of the best Gillmor Gang's ever
- David Lloyd
first time I've cared about every subject :D
- David Lloyd
Right Dan. I go to the theatre because I love the big screen
- Francine Hardaway
And the change of venue
- Francine Hardaway
I like theaters with cabaret tables and beer for sale.
- coldbrew
So we should be beholden to Apple's control?
- Xenophrenia
Isn't everyone having an app just meant to supplement the revenue made from the album?
- Michael Breslin
What about the psychological difference? It's always much more fun (and funnier) to see a great comedy movie in a packed movie house than to watch it by oneself. Or to see Neil in concert live with 100,000 others than to listen alone on an .mp3 player.
- Chris Aldrich
Neil Young was right, analog audio much superior, but Neil recorded this in 24-bit, 196k sample rate which is getting closer
- Stephen Pickering
I mean tehatre with actors, not cinema
- Kevin Marks
Now I can make some extra money for selling a 5$ ipod app along with my album.
- Michael Breslin
Stephen: actually Neil records most things in analog. Costs $6000 per hour of tape.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: seconded...theaters with cabaret tables and beer
- clive boulton
Jimmy Stewart's one great regret was that he never did as much live theater as Henry Fonda did... there's something more visceral about the intimacy and closeness of an audience.
- Chris Aldrich
Chris: Subjective, I don't like to leave the house, and the more people, the less likely I'm apt to go. :)
- Michael Breslin
Ah, Robert, interesting, then I heard he released it in 24 bit 196 as oppossed to most CD quality of 16/44
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, with a good crowd it's great. But so many times it's people thinking they're still in their living room, chatting, repeating lines, talking on phones... Maybe I'm getting old.
- Ian McGee
@Michael, some of that problem with more people is that movie theaters aren't designed like they used to be where they anticipated massive crowds and had bigger houses and lobbies as a result. These days your local 30-plex has a much more caged feel cutting down on the overall quality of the "going out" experience.
- Chris Aldrich
YouTube on the TV is a good thing, and it makes sense for that
- Kevin Marks
Isn't that chasing your tail? You need the audience to get the cartels but you can't get the audience because you don't have access to the content from the cartels?
- Michael Breslin
The app I use to view Youtube on my TV pulls down the MP4 file directly and look much cleaner than the FLV you normally see.
- David Lloyd
John's camera is in MySpace angle mode...
- Kevin Marks
What a fast paced chat. How fab
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well the APple TV has a small Flash hard drive for caching only
- David Lloyd
4GB i think.
- David Lloyd
@Tina, just imagine what it would look like if there was an audience of 100,000 of us interacting... how would we scale this for a bigger group?
- Chris Aldrich
Anyone received free GoogleTV from I/O?
- clive boulton
when we were on TWiT network things moved too fast at times
- David Lloyd
I was bugged by Amazon's turning off WikiLeaks....
- Ian McGee
Chris: it would be crappy.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: I had a party this week and 80 people rocked. More doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Have you noticed the debate is not what the documents revealed, but how they were aqquired?
- David Lloyd
So,, we'd hav to "bless" 80 people to be in main chat and then everyone else would have to be somewhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Or you'd have to have a field of dedicated producers/filters to weed out the lower "quality" discussion for the benefit of the masses...
- Chris Aldrich
The other people would get to watch the stream but not contribute. How non-internetish
- Francine Hardaway
We are not talking about the contents of the leaks, but if Amazon was right to kick em off.
- David Lloyd
Ari Emanuel was the best preso at Web2Summit
- Francine Hardaway
David, there are starting to be proper stories about the contents. First had to hear from everyone that hadn't read them about why it was a non-story.
- Ian McGee
Francine: yes, but the chat rooms always suck when they get too many people in them.
- Robert Scoble
Television need an open API! Who is working on that?!
- Chris Aldrich
Why does nothing run as smoothly as FriendFeed? Not even FB does
- Stephen Pickering
Flash burns the CPU / battery. As does HD Video. It should be my choice if I want to use apps which burn my battery, apple shouldn't forbid me.
- David Lloyd
chris you'd scale by segmenting by friends - twitter model
- Kevin Marks
weekend nights the Uk heckles xfactor ontwitter
- Kevin Marks
Stephen: FriendFeed is done by programming geniouses. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or promotion a la stackoverflow
- Ian McGee
AppleTV rules!
- Francine Hardaway
@Robert, but didn't most of those geniuses go to FB? ;)
- Chris Aldrich
friendfeed is on facebook infrastructure with a fraction fo the users
- Kevin Marks
X Factor.. 1/3 of the country watches it. The rest of us who don't have to hear about it :)
- David Lloyd
Right. That's why I don't have Google TV. don't need it
- Francine Hardaway
Oh noes!
- Francine Hardaway
Says the AOL guy....
- Ian McGee
Ouch.
- David Lloyd
Stop leaving in the middle of shows its very unprofessional..
- David Lloyd
Chat audience doesn't work well past Dunbar number (150)
- clive boulton
Andrew likes to make waves
- Francine Hardaway
@Andrew would you prefer oligopolists?
- Chris Aldrich
The problem is the last mile connectivity
- Stephen Pickering
he basically wants them to name a price and have streaming movies on premier night
- David Lloyd
if level 3 want to mess with comcast, they'll set up a free disk backup service for comcast customers so the upstream bandwidth matches the downstream, so it counts as peering
- Kevin Marks
Pay per view like Tyson fight ($50)
- clive boulton
Look at the breakup of Hollywood in 1948 preventing vertical integration... where is the modern day equivalent?
- Chris Aldrich
exactly Chris- we need structural separation, which is how other countries do it
- Kevin Marks
Netflix: name your price!
- David Lloyd
I love the theatrical experience, but I can't always go to a movie
- Francine Hardaway
hehehe ... he's a dreamer isn't he?
- Xenophrenia
@Kevin, I agree, but sadly when you look at other countries, none of them dominate world media the way that the US does. (The nice side benefit though is the maintenance of individual cultures...)
- Chris Aldrich
Well said, Kevin. Lets soak Comcast upstream (bittorrent)
- clive boulton
ahh the cinema, home of a gallon of pop for £4.50 and a bucket full of pop corn for another fiver :D
- David Lloyd
good show, thanks.
- coldbrew
so books hops and cinemas become food sales environments
- Kevin Marks
good show xx
- David Lloyd
That was fun! Thanks for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
luv #GG
- clive boulton
cya next week and on twitter
- David Lloyd
great show tday ... thanks guys
- Xenophrenia
Excellent show folks.
- Chris Aldrich
Terrific show
- Francine Hardaway
Might have to watch it on a 56" TV
- Francine Hardaway
Darn. Just got home and see only the last chat remarks, "Good show, " "good show." Always reminds me of the forced walk-by for kid soccer or little league, hand slap and grumbling "good game."
- Amyloo
What is your Google Reader URL? Mine is http://www.google.com/reader... #greader
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I share all sorts. :-) Lots of photos, photography and tech stuff though. Feel free to sub to me if you like. :-) BTW, you can see who is following you here: http://www.google.com/reader... #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Michael.
- Kol Tregaskes
More often I end up sharing directly through FF even if I find it on GReader, but sometimes I share there. http://www.google.com/reader...
- Tony Miller
http://www.google.com/reader... Just about internet!
- ★ Soner Gönül
http://www.google.com/reader... I'm glad you asked this right now. I just realized that several people are following me and I didn't even know it. I hope it hasn't been this way for long!
- Michael Fidler
Michael, it's not been clear until very recently, you can see notifications here: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Kol Tregaskes
Love yr posts :-)))))
- Johni Fisher
thanks for starting this thread - here's mine http://www.google.com/reader... (mostly social media stuff, a little food, and occasional randomness)
- Chris Rogers
Kol, thanks! I wish it would tell me when they started following, I'll have to keep a better eye on it now.
- Michael Fidler
Just noticed that Reader now allows grouping of people you follow! Wondering: is Reader going to become a competitor (instead of complement) to FriendFeed?
- Chris Rogers
http://www.google.com/reader... - Always looking for more ppl to share links!
- Liza + = ?
Ah so that's your name, M F! ;-) I'm wanting to live in that area too, nice around there?
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes it's alright I moved here two years ago, I was in West London before that
- M F
GREAT FEED - I am finding so many great ppl to follow - this is great.
- Liza + = ?
M F, I like to move to just over the other side of the stream from you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And your pics are great! I am going to be stuck in greader for a while!
- Liza + = ?
Well wave your hand Kol when you get here
- M F
http://www.google.com/reader... - But I only really use google reader as a simple RSS reader. Follow people on FriendFeed.
- Anton
Hehe, M F. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
mine is http://www.google.com/reader...
- Kim Landwehr
Thanks for your latest bookmark there, Kim. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
feedly.com :)
- Zach Landes
http://www.google.com/reader... but everything I share in reader comes on to FriendFeed.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
http://www.google.com/reader... - the stuff I share there is also on FriendFeed.
- Hanna Wiszniewska
http://www.google.com/reader... mine are mostly science items
- Sally Church
Mine is http://www.google.com/reader... - Mostly Tech.
- Svartling
http://www.google.com/reader... - mixed up content in Portuguese (mainly), English and Spanish.
- Marcos
Liza, oooh I love the post on generating Mandelbrot fractals in Excel!
- Sally Church
@rogersdc / Chris, Google Reader is obviously been trying to become more social, but I'd really like to see FF come out with a bookmarklet that makes sub'ing RSS feeds to FF easier/faster. Right now it's a manual process involving either a new Group/Room or Imaginary Friend. Should be 2 clicks tops.. Also see: http://friendfeed.com/alexsch...
- Alex Schleber
Thanks everyone! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Here is mine : http://www.google.fr/reader.... I share (mainly on French sites and blogs) about libraries, literature and arts, human and social sciences, photography :-)
- Nadine Pestourie
http://www.google.com/reader... Google and other tech stuff, as well as other random things of interest.
- Californian
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Keep 'em coming, I'll add you all later today. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... Politics, photography, humor, news, tech, entertainment
- amygeek
Thanks for starting this conversation Kol!
- amygeek
No worries, Amy. :-) Thank you all!
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL here we go again :o) http://www.google.com/reader... I share a lot of blogs and funny stuff that I read, it's neat how I can share and it gets posted all over by friendfeed.
- David Gross
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't know that I have one, as I eschew most things Google....
- Mike Shields
Not sure if I've already shared it, but my URL is http://www.google.com/reader....
- Tyson Key
Thank you guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
your welcome kol
- Tony C (Unrated)
from IM
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I think that I over-loaded my poor G-Reader by adding all of you. ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Here is my feed: http://l.clipotech.com/shared - I will try to add all of you on this list :)
- Svartling
Don't forget to add all out new contacts in to groups. Otherwise we cant comment on each others shared items.
- Svartling
http://www.google.com/reader... - Almost exclusively tech, including humor/cartoons and productivity.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
http://www.google.com/reader... - I share items about productivity, gaming, movies, and misc. stuff from the Google "cool" via Recommendations feed. Thanks Kol for starting this thread because I've been trying to cut down on the number of feeds I subscribe to and instead just follow interesting people.
- Dusty Edenfield
Svartling: good point about adding people to groups. I noticed I couldn't comment on items that were shared by some users.
- Dusty Edenfield
Thanks everyone.
- Kol Tregaskes
I've (we) written a lot of more good tips on how to use Google Reader in Google Reader comments. It's too bad we don't have permalinks in Greader so we can share our notes and comments. Otherwise I could have posted a link here. Here are some on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/svartli...
- Svartling
here's mine! Love some of the new features... http://www.google.com/reader...
- Ronald S
I don't think I added mine yet: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Tinfoil 2.0
Thank you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Almost missed this one! http://www.google.com/reader...
- Patrik Arwengrim
I guess I best start sharing stuff, then. :D - http://www.google.com/reader...
- Bette Cooper
http://www.google.com/reader... - I guess I'm a bit late to the party, but here's mine. I share mainly technology, photography, design... and other random stuff.
- Ryan - @magicofpi
Thank you all.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes! The list I was looking for! I'll get my info on here as soon as I get on my netbook
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
from email
Thanks for posting this Kol. Never paid any attention to my shared items folder before but just did!
- Martha
The conversation is really blowing up (in a good way) on Reader. The most important reminder currently is to set up groups and allow commenting. That is NOT on by default!
- Vince DeGeorge
Vince, exactly!
- Kol Tregaskes
Not sure how I missed this thread. I share lots of tech news, some programming stuff and a little more at http://www.google.com/reader...
- Rob Diana
There is also a group that collected a bunch of reader shares at http://friendfeed.com/share-y...
- Rob Diana
http://www.google.com/reader... - Or just go to: Sharing settings on your google reader shared items and search for: Avi Joseph
- Avi Joseph
Thank you all. I think I have subscribed you all now (except those feed in languages I don't understand) Here is mine again: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
I've started to follow a few of the people here but there's quite a few, so will take me a while :) - My currently fairly bare feed is: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Roy Herrod
http://www.google.com/reader... - topics include a bit of everything, but there's a fair about of Android-related stuff in there
- Chuck Falzone
Thank everyone.
- Kol Tregaskes
There are a few entries here you might like to read to help you. This one: http://ff.im/6CkQj explains about adding people to groups to allow them to comment and why some don't stay in groups. In this one: http://ff.im/6F9pQ I suggest a way to track a large number of shared items using PostRank. This: http://ff.im/6Ci0P and this: http://ff.im/6AM35 has a few tips on using GReader as a lifestreaming service. And this: http://ff.im/6EMT1 gives a few examples of GReader bundles.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... I mostly share ART with a little bit this and that thrown in for good measure.
- Kimber Scott
Ryo: Same here :) "completely moved to Google Reader / Twitter / Posterous" All my followers, please subscribe to me on Google Reader: http://www.google.com/reader... or my lifestream: http://l.clipotech.com/lifestr...
- Svartling
http://www.google.com/reader... -- nothing shared yet; still learning several social networks & services, so it might take me a while...
- Dennis Jernberg
Those of you above whom I already follow on FF/Twitter/etc., I've subscribed to your feeds. As for the rest of you: if you follow me on GReader, I'll follow you back.
- Dennis Jernberg
I'm sharing some pages now, including a few of my past blog entries.
- Dennis Jernberg
easier to just follow and edit groups from search url>http://www.google.com/reader...
- Ru Viljoen
Because I have issues with data duplication, I have merged this list with the google reader shares room feeds. You can view the Google spreadsheet at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...
- Rob Diana
There are a bunch of shared feeds that I could not resolve the Google username for because they did not have a named profile set up.
- Rob Diana
tristanhambling, your link didn't work. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Thank you very much, Rob!
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... Right now I'm testing it in comparison to Netvibes. It's yet to be seen if I end up making the switch.
- Brad Williamson
http://www.google.com/reader... Mainly photography related things.
- Sven
It would be really handy to have all these shared feeds as an opml file. Has anyone added everyone? Care to export an opml of the shared feeds?
- Paul Jacobson
My shared stream is at http://www.google.com/reader...
- Paul Jacobson
Paul, can do that but it will be out of date the moment I post it as I'm getting more new users all the time.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe someone could hook up something via Yahoo Pipes (or whatever) to automatically generate the OPML?
- Tristan Seligmann
Damond, I'm getting that deja vu feeling. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Whoa, hey, I'm late to this. I'm here: http://www.google.com/reader... :-)
- Jordan Hofker
I'm http://www.google.com/reader... Not really comfortable with the custom URL though since it can only be your gmail username. Makes it really easy for spamspiders I think.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Tobias, possibly but not had any problems myself though Gmail has the best spam filters around so I probably not noticed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... Please dont tell me I have to add everyone manually like I did with Facebook yesterday?? *sigh*
- Julia Ault
http://www.google.com/reader... link to my bundle with all my feeds that i have in friendfeed too
- Chris Hofmann
http://www.google.com/reader... mostly webdev, photography news, music, world news which i get interested. plus half of them may be article in Japanese. sorry. :-p
- browneyes
Thanks all!
- Kol Tregaskes
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
spread those tentacles thats what i say (I'm generally sharing comics, animation, and interesting weirdeness) : http://www.google.com/reader...
- Paul Greer
Exactly, Paul. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
There are a few people that have not added me to a group and so I cannot reply to some of your comments. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
phew..
- Paul Greer
Andy, Richmond Park and the others around there are the appeal really. Good place to go photographing and cycling while being very close to London I think.
- Kol Tregaskes
Teddington (across the river from Kingston Upon Thames, is where I think I'd like to live. Just 'cos it's cheaper than everywhere else around it. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
https://www.google.com/reader... - Customized with numbers
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I've checked rental prices in the area several times over the last 2 years and Teddington is definitely cheaper. I'm not buying, no way I can afford that. ;-) All a pip-dream anyway, need a steady job and I've not had that for a while. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks guys.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... late as always
- Raymundo Roxas
Thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Trying Google Reader.. Share your friendfeed feed WITHIN Reader. (see http://ff.im/6WRIk)
- Chris Myles
anyone use google reader on windows mobile professional? I cant seem to get it to work and when I try to go to the mobile site it takes me to the regular site.
- David Gross
Nope, sorry can't help you there, David.
- Kol Tregaskes
http://www.google.com/reader... please add!
- Brendon Wadey
Jesse, I saw your share of this FriendFeed thread on Google Reader!
- John E. Bredehoft
David, I use mobile Google Reader on an older phone with Windows mobile. My bookmark begins with google.com/reader/m/view
- John E. Bredehoft
Here's mine...http://www.google.com/reader...
- Oscar Antonio Moralí
Aloha! http://www.google.com/reader...
- Ryan
Will share tech, science and skepticism, and education news stories: http://www.google.com/reader...
- TC
in case anyone missed it, mine is http://www.google.com/reader...
- David Gross
more cool
- Brent - Yes I am
I share interesting articles about Internet music, social media, open content and copyright issues: http://www.google.com/reader...
- David Holmes
http://www.google.com/reader... news,music,tech,science.crime,money,finance,business,football,basketball,baseball,movies,social,politics,obama,internet,apple.... http://www.google.com/profile...
- cysko
Nice to see all you guys! Here's mine http://www.google.com/profile... :o)
- Aline Ohannessian
Anyone else?
- Kol Tregaskes
Well, there is Google Buzz now...
- Alexander Kruel
Sure and you can find that list here: http://ff.im/fIq0B :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Greetings from the floors, And later moved to go Through your profile The site until this my email address below (Doreen_des@yahoo.com) Doreen you with love & hugssssss (doreen_des@yahoo.com)
- lizzybab4life
Bump.
- Kol Tregaskes
I use FriendFeed Spy to umm find people to follow on Greader...http://www.friendfeedspy.com/... anyway, these are my shared items on Greader...http://www.google.com/reader... I also use this opml genetaror to follow them all in one single file...http://unold.dk/code/opmlgen/
- Oscar Antonio Moralí
hi i was wandering how do i find my google reader url so i can put in my friend feed any one can help me
- Middle Vin
Announcing Tornado 1.0 - Tornado Web Server | Google Groups - http://groups.google.com/group...
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Nice to see this find continue living and find a home! Good job guys!
- Chris Aldrich
Great stuff
- Charlie Anzman
Hmm, just saw that it runs with Python 2.5 and 2.6 and wanted to know if there is any chance to run it with Python 3 in the near future. Just found this stackoverflow posting http://stackoverflow.com/questio... which pointed out that they don't have any test suit for it! And this seems to be really the case. Just have a look at the repository at githut. The...
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- Konrad Förstner
Great to see this still going strong. :)
- Keith Bourgoin
Hey that is cool, congrats on keeping that cool project going!
- Susan Beebe
Yup, despite the lack of tests. It's fast, it's Python, it's opensource! Nice!
- Konrad Förstner
Woman doesn't know about light refraction, goes off on a bender http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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ROFL
- Shey
Haha
- Rodfather
I was just telling someone about this the other day! This is a longtime fave of mine. :D
- Hookuh Tinypants
I remember this one. Great stuff. "THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE WATER!"
- Chieze Okoye
Imagine if she'd seen a double rainbow!
- Kevin L
We should appoint this woman as the head of the Department of the Interior and fix what is wrong with this country!!!! Hilarious!
- Chris Aldrich
Obviously it's those damned illegals. Them and the gays.
- iTad
She's probably part of a/the group that thinks there's government weirdness afoot in airline contrails, too.
- alex falkenberg
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 12:30pm PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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LOL, re: "leg up"
- Amyloo
Paul Buchheit: The LeBron James of Social Networks - http://www.cstechcast.com/blog...
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Such an apt analogy. By extension I'll have to love Cleveland more now, and all because of FriendFeed. :)
- Chris Aldrich
I don't know enough about sports to really understand this analogy. Specifically, what does this line mean? "They want that ring, and this other organization will get it for them, while we watch from over here, where they started. " What is the ring at facebook? To me, it seems more about a larger audience than about "thinking about their future" or winning.
- Clare Dibble
Q & A: Facebook’s Bret Taylor on privacy, the transition from FriendFeed - http://social.venturebeat.com/2010...
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Video: @edsussman's Buzzr http://www.buzzr.com/ makes building business sites easier http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I'm standing by waiting for the usual call.
- Robert Scoble
Cool!
- Stephen Pickering
Hey Scoble, it's not that Paul.
- Cliff Gerrish
Oh, crap. It's Paul Carr then?
- Robert Scoble
Which Paul will it be....
- Chris Aldrich
It's a mystery Paul, you'll need to tune in to see.
- Cliff Gerrish
McCartney? :-))))
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: now THAT would be a show!
- Robert Scoble
Heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
We will be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
http://twitter.com/brianstorms is our special guest. Brian Dear.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang recording session live with Brian Dear, Paul Carr, Kevin Marks & Scoble- http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Ahhh, cool, thanks for the link
- Stephen Pickering
The Plato birthday party will be at the Computer History Museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/events...
- Cliff Gerrish
They did a great job
- Stephen Pickering
hmmm. Friendfeed isn't letting me post. trying from a different place.
- Karoli
Karoli: that worked.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli, I'm seeing your post saying you aren't able to post.
- Cliff Gerrish
This is a classic battle of who has the most leverage. Happens in every industry
- Stephen Pickering
It's sort of like when Apple got rid of the disk drive.
- Cliff Gerrish
Bah. Buy the 3G. The iPad's all about convenience.
- Ken Sheppardson
yes, posting from the NGL beta window works.
- Karoli
Re: iPad - interesting post by Fred Wilson changing his opinion about the iPad: http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
- Mike Doeff
the Evo has lasted me for 2 days without plugging in
- David Robit Chen
It's really a format question... why isn't there more cross interaction between my three screens: television, computer, and phone/mobile device?
- Chris Aldrich
We're going to buy the 3G. It makes sense to have one that goes on the road.
- Karoli
I'm really annoyed that I pay AT&T $120/mo and not tethering
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, the smaller screens need to control the bigger screens.
- Cliff Gerrish
And I can't hear my phone calls
- Stephen Pickering
Task killer? Now that just reminds me horribly of my days prior to iPhone, aka when I suffered with Windows Mobile.
- Nick Wade
I think it's the other way around, the big screens need to allow the smaller screens in for interaction.
- Chris Aldrich
3G is the fill in network. Filling in the cracks between wifi signals.
- Cliff Gerrish
Karoli: Do it. I messed with a tethered WiFi for a bit, then got a 3G... 3G rulez. Not having to worry about another device is worth it.
- Ken Sheppardson
I got the 3G iPad last week. I haven't activated it yet but I like knowing it's there.
- Mike Doeff
Yeah, but why won't AT&T let me get the 3G off my iPhone for my iPad?
- Stephen Pickering
Berkeley/Oakland, no iPad sighting for me yet
- Da
I can't see paying an extra $30 a month for signal if you already have an iPhone. Spend the 20 seconds it takes to run Spirit on the iPhone, then install MyWi, and voila. Easy WiFi Tethering for your cheaper iPad.
- Otto
But then Apple doesn't make as much Brian if they don't tether you to the iTunes store.... That's the real tethering issue.
- Chris Aldrich
I think we'll see iPad sync via wifi fairly soon. That's what the Lala.com acquisition was about.
- Cliff Gerrish
And now Google has a UI Expert!
- Stephen Pickering
Yep. Just like my Palm Pre. Apple could do it if they wanted to. It's not unique to Android.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like Google eats UI experts alive.
- Cliff Gerrish
And open source advocates, and startups...
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian Dear has Androids new slogan: 'A phone that a sysadmin would love...'
- Cliff Gerrish
Kind of like the Hollywood mantra... Porn directors drive old cheap Corollas so they can save money for liquor and drugs.
- Chris Aldrich
Brian makes a good point. The iTunes synch makes the whole iPad experience too complex for novice users.
- Mike Doeff
Buying a computer at Target or Walmart is a different experience
- Da
The problem with that argument is that there aren't 11 fake versions of me on Facebook.
- Chris Aldrich
Yes, but there may be more than one Chris Aldrich
- Stephen Pickering
If you want to be found, yes, you make things public. That shouldn't be his call.
- Ken Sheppardson
Who's call should it be?
- Cliff Gerrish
there are over 10k versions of me on Facebook :) - until you start narrowing in on my nicknames
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What about the issue Leo has about that Facebook is making a "grab" to control the web?
- Stephen Pickering
Didn't we have this same convo last week? And the week before? And the week before that?
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook has 500 million co-conspirators in its 'grab' for the web
- Cliff Gerrish
I've argued that you should have two separate pages, one public facing the other totally private
- Stephen Pickering
I'm having trouble understanding how Facebook opening up more is a grab for the web. The more public it is, the easier to scrape & repurpose.
- Ian McGee
sounds like Facebook is trying to make the same change that sites like Geocities tried - the move from hobby/personal to hobby/personal/business
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But even my flower shop should be able to post up drunken photos and have privacy settings to prevent all of my Mormon customers from seeing them.
- Chris Aldrich
I think Leo is talking about the "Like" implementation
- Stephen Pickering
So what do we do when the bad starts to creep up? When the porn sites, smashers, hackers and unethical users begin to leverage this power and blame it on Facebook?
- Jeff Madlock
calling us dumb isn't really great for getting us to listen. do you think we're not aware they sell data?
- Karoli
Banking and Airlines operate in a very strict regulatory regime. Europe has started that regime.
- Cliff Gerrish
Adding a like button is opt in.
- Cliff Gerrish
I like the "like" button myself but I'm just re iterating Leo's argument. What happens when you like something? Do the users know their data is being collected and funneled through third parties when they "like" something?
- Stephen Pickering
With Facebook and privacy, one can use the cigarette analogy: doing it is bad for you in the long term, but a smoke today feels pretty good. The giving away of privacy today may not have consequences until it kills us 50 years from now.
- Chris Aldrich
Great analogy Chris, I heard someone else make that argument earlier this week. Can't remember who.
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, depending how old you are -- that's not a problem.
- Cliff Gerrish
The "like button" will be an incredible tool for cultural anthropologists at least...
- Chris Aldrich
perpetual beta
- Da
Jay Rosen said Zuck's WP Editorial was "a bunch of crap"
- Stephen Pickering
I love the expectation of public roadmaps now. Can't think of anyone doing it 5-10 years ago, but it's incredibly useful. Little hard to mesh with constant iteration though.
- Ian McGee
I'm starting to feel like a rat who gets a treat for clicking on ads... Who is it that's doing the research on us?
- Chris Aldrich
Yes, but he build his network on privacy and then pulled the rug
- Stephen Pickering
I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Free stuff has a price.
- Karoli
Tungle.me rocks
- Ian McGee
Yes, Karoli, but TV and Radio don't share are data surreptiously
- Stephen Pickering
just be selective with what you put on the internet
- Da
Stephen, TV and Radio made assumptions, reached a small fraction of who they could reach. I like seeing ads that I might be interested in.
- Karoli
Somebody needs to have a long talk with Robert about self-selection. People who don't want their calendars public don't sign up for public calendar services. The fact that those who do make their calendar's public doesn't speak to what "we" want.
- Ken Sheppardson
Now I do agree that Flippy or whatever it is, is silly. No way would I do that.
- Karoli
Oh sure, Karoli, I'm all in favor of the Google model
- Stephen Pickering
Public signaling is playing with masks. It doesn't represent a true state of affairs.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, I heard you laughing Scoble!
- Stephen Pickering
@stevegillmor can you skype me in now? calliflower won't let me rejoin
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, stand by.
- Cliff Gerrish
Anyone else lose audio?
- thestaticfrost
re:Blippy - isn't it interesting that Orwell et al.'s visions are coming true, only it's in the guise of cute/whimsical Web 2.0 names and Facebook games about sheep...
- Alex Schleber
NM, had to reload.
- thestaticfrost
Yahoo is an online media company?
- Da
Fixing culture in a company that big is a huge problem.
- Chris Aldrich
They've got Flickr and Finance. Does anyone use anything else there?
- Stephen Pickering
Delicious.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yahoo news
- Da
I consider Facebook the new AOL
- Karoli
Way too many people are still using their email client...
- Chris Aldrich
no facebook is not the new yahoo
- Wayne Sutton
But far more people spend far more time on Facebook than Yahoo...
- Ian McGee
Yahoo Buzz gets large volumes of traffic too... I'm not sure why though.
- Chris Aldrich
People spend 7hours a month on Facebook, no other site is even close, the problem is they can't monetize it and that's why they haven't gone public and had to take DST's money
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook doesn't have a mobile OS
- Da
BTW, for me UStream is constantly re-caching when I have the browser tab in focus (my connection is plenty fast); works OK as just audio in the background.
- Alex Schleber
Why doesn't Yahoo build a great social network? Did you see that POS they tried a few years back? Build one that's cool and works and does everything FB does
- Stephen Pickering
Will Yahoo buy a location-based platform?
- Wayne Sutton
yahoo answer to get homework answered is great
- Da
Sooner or later the individual user will have the tools to control and maintain their own infrastructure on the web and will link out into the world instead of relying on FB and other social media sites.
- Chris Aldrich
Facebook NewsFeed is getting meatier iwth all the new-media news groups I've been adding to my stream -- TechCrunch, VentureBeat, etc. plus a bunch of affiliation groups. I'm finding more stories there and on Twittertim.es lately..
- Ian McGee
Chris, totally agreed, everyday there are new tools for "average" users to build there own sites with advanced features. Scoble interviewed Buzzr which is a usability layer on top of Drupal
- Stephen Pickering
I was just watching that Buzzr interview just before this started. It's definitely a good start...
- Chris Aldrich
All this talk about user built apps makes me miss hypercard...
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, that kind of thing I believe could disrupt a Facebook in the next 5-10 years, maybe less
- Stephen Pickering
I mean Drupal just rocks, but its so hard, give the average person that kind of power easily, and I feel something new developing
- Stephen Pickering
The central social index gives facebook an advantage over distributed systems.
- Cliff Gerrish
HyperCard is locked in Steve Jobs's basement; thats the trouble with building on one company's code
- Kevin Marks
I love the potential of projects like Webfinger to be one of the enabling strategies for all of this.
- Chris Aldrich
Hypercard turned into javascript and then jquery...
- Cliff Gerrish
The only reason Facebook is important is because we have a dearth of connectivity. When everyone has a fiber connection a totally new peer to peer type of revolution will happen, I believe, decentralized, with the intelligence at the edges of the network
- Stephen Pickering
We will each be our own facebook page, connected to each other with the same or even better features
- Stephen Pickering
there is an architectural imperative because of NAT against distributed clients; My hope is that IPv6 will change this again
- Kevin Marks
I also think FB has removed a lot of the "force" behind someone's desire to build their own page. They're effectively already doing it with FB, so something new has to have real benefits.
- Ian McGee
Ian, it will
- Stephen Pickering
It has to do with easy usability layers on top of real power, just as OSX is a usability layer on top of Unix
- Stephen Pickering
And when that finally appears. we'll all be glad so much of the social graph is open for us to leverage.
- Ian McGee
Just as computing became decentralized, so will social networking
- Stephen Pickering
Ian, Right!
- Stephen Pickering
as time goes on, are non-tech people gonna be reluctant to develop iPhone apps because they have to submit it for approval from Apple?
- Da
Da, Yes
- Stephen Pickering
Great show.
- Mike Doeff
Da, that's already going on. Many developers are taking a close look at Android to replace; just takes more Android units out there to make it clear.
- Ian McGee
And most of all, THANK YOU Steve for always putting these together!
- Chris Aldrich
thanks to all of you. good show. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, Steve and Gang
- Stephen Pickering
Good stuff.
- Ian McGee
Nice show - thanks much everyone!
- Rob La Gesse
Thanks Rob!
- Stephen Pickering
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
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I love this version. And Seesmic in Twhirl is so addictive
- Loic Le Meur
nice improvements Loic!! bring it on!!
- Susan Beebe
very interesting. The friendfeed integration looks way better than before. Will have to give this a look when it is released.
- Rob Diana
Seesmic ROCKS!!
- Larry Miller
from twhirl
okay, so FF and Twitter are in the latest? but not Seemic correct?
- Lou Paglia
This might get me back into Twhirl.
- Akiva
and it has FF rooms support!
- Loic Le Meur
wow, looks great. remind me http://twitku.com/ for a second there...
- Orli Yakuel
looks very cool. exactly what we need. but what about plurk ;)
- Phil Coyne
from twhirl
yes... when?
- Mike Wills
@LouPaglia - correct, Seesmic is not integrated with Twirl desktop app yet
- Susan Beebe
in a few days I think for the new FF integration. Seesmic comes next.
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Super! When!??!
- Florin Grozea
from twhirl
looks like it might replace alert thingy as my RIA of choice
- Steve Lynch
from Alert Thingy
integrate into one window, is all i ask, make it indisputably the best
- Ruben Llibre
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
so is seesmic cool now?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
How do we score the test ver? :)
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
You tease. Where do I download it?
- Rafe Needleman
Cannot wait, big Guy!
- ledretch
I want... When?
- highcenter
from twhirl
Can't wait!!
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
actually it will be pushed in an hour or two
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Can't wait!
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
Nice teasing. Do you have any release date or will you take the "it's done when it's done" side?
- Romain Péchard
from twhirl
I would love some "best practices" guide for how to get the most out of all that information that will be flooding in.
- Brendan Cosgrove
from twhirl
How do I add my Seesmic account into Twhirl 082? It's not showing up in the "accounts" list.
- Rafe Needleman
from twhirl
We should have a Twhirl + Seesmic preview in the very next days
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
This looks awesome!
- Svartling
I think this what im looking for!
- Michael Scott
awesome!
- Barbara R. S.
wow - one of the furthest back boomerang ff threads i've seen
- mike "glemak" dunn
nice!
- .LAG liked that
Wow, this is pretty old. I got excited for a second, thought Loic had seen the light and was starting to care about Twhirl again. NOPE.
- Shawn Farner
Excited to announce The Gillmor Gang will return to the network Thursdays at 1PM Pacific, starting Thursday August 27th. Stay tuned.
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Because someone needs to get it out of the way... "Screw You Arrington. Screw You!"
- Sean Reiser
yay!
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Which Network?
- George MacDonald
Excellent news. I've missed the show. TWiT?
- No Agenda Forums
Good, good.
- Jonathan Brown
Looking forward to it. Always pop new shows to the top of the stack.
- Paul Grous
*shudder*.. I hope not... The show wasn't the same by a wide margin when it was on TWiT...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
nice one - can't wait to tune in again
- pablo
Tremendous news. Looking forward to it.
- Mike Doeff
Sweet. - Gillmor Gang was one of my favorite couple hours of the week. Dave and Marshall are doing a nice job over at bad hair day - but I am definitely excited for the return of GG.
- andrew
Will it be available for download again?
- nick
Excellent.
- Jay Cuthrell
Hallelujah!
- Dan Weinstein
Show must go on.
- Mindaugas Dagys
Truly glad to hear it! Also like the NGL sign on your Twitpic. :)
- Karoli
Whooooooooooo----f'king hoooooooooo! It's on my Calendar-in-the-Cloud
- Francine Hardaway
More comebacks than Sinatra, yay :-) Will there be a podcast of it too, pretty please for your *fans* that can't make the time schedule?
- Scottish Lass
Steve: This is great news!
- Jim Connolly
Somebody better update the Wikipedia entry...
- Cliff Gerrish
YES! YES! YES! Thank you Steve - this makes me happy!
- Michael Pinto
For those on the other side of the planet will you be able to grab the show via RSS - oh I forgot RSS is dead, right?
- John Chrisoulakis
Good!
- John Wright
yay! Best news of the week! All I guess this an announcement that the Gillmor Gang is dead as well!
- Phillip Molly Malone
I might be able to come out of hiding now... we'll see.
- Aron Michalski
What a one-two punch. Gillmor serves it up on Thurs aft and the Bad Hair Boys knock it out of the park in the early evening! :-)
- Dave Winer
Good news. So who's on the show?
- Michael Metz
Probably too much to ask, but for posterity, please repost the GG archives! There, I said it.
- Scott Mace
There go my afternoons!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Will be interesting to see, will Mr. Arrington be participating...lol
- Johann Diaz
from Nambu
Missed the Gang so much and with the NGL Studio, it will be a tough act to follow for the Bad Hair boys :) #TechThursday FTW
- Alberto Saavedra
why wouldn't Arrington be in it sometimes? It really was Leo who was a "take my ball and go home" crybaby
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Way to go. Looking forward to it.
- Oliver Kohl
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
This news has made my month! I can't wait...
- Chris Aldrich
i'm hoping that timeshifting options will be available - i probably won't ever be able to catch it live
- Chris Heath
But, but, but...what about podshow?
- Mark Hunter
Very happy to hear this, but I also wonder about RSS support.
- Robert
w00t!!
- Kevin Nunez
Now that's what I'm talkin' about.
- Vezquex
Where can I find it?
- Richard South
Steve's back!
- Harald Felgner
Alp to Alp's feed, Appetite, ffScheduler Feedback, FriendFeed Hacks, Social Media, Social Media Club, Startup Success, YellowPages
Our new app! "ffScheduler", you can post scheduled entries to FriendFeed, try it now: - http://ffscheduler.com
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You can post images and mp3 files, post your entries to multi-groups via your account! It is beta, for feedbacks use: http://friendfeed.com/ffsched... I developed and @hmert designed the ui.
- Alp
from ffScheduler
awesome, but feels a little late :(
- mjc
Why do you use 2nd level domains for your apps?
- Alex Kapranoff
@alex what's your suggestion?
- Alp
I would probably use smth. like fftoolbox.com/ff<tool>.
- Alex Kapranoff
Alex, I think this is better... Do you care about domain costs?
- AlpB.
@Alex, this domain is perfect for this tool...
- Hüseyin Mert
Great!!
- Ahmet Kemal Çavuşoğlu
To get single sign-on via common cookies. Also, to give your users an impression that you have a whole toolbox.
- Alex Kapranoff
I think that's trivial since we don't use cookies and don't need to impress users with other tools .:)
- AlpB.
works like a charm. thanks ;)
- İbrahim Uzun [ j ]
You DO use cookies for login sessions. (I mean that I see your site is using it).
- Alex Kapranoff
Alex, I think it is our choice, eh?
- Alp
The choice of domain name is of course yours that's why I asked about the reasons behind it :) I thought that it's an uncommon scheme. Single sign-on would still be handy.
- Alex Kapranoff
I think someone will use it. ;)
- AlpB.
cool application. thanks :)
- tevfik bülent öngün
This is a fantastic service, particularly for corporations and large PR departments! Would be great to have a similar service for Facebook Fan Pages, esp. since FB now owns FF.
- Johns Hopkins
tevfik, you're welcome :)
- AlpB.
@Johns Hopkins I hate this news but it has been already sold :( I can't imagine about future of FriendFeed since it is completely irrelevant when compared to facebook.
- AlpB.
This service was awesome a month ago when I first found it. Thrilled that you've worked out the bugs and that it's live now! Congratulations!
- Chris Aldrich
@Chris, yes we proceeded to FF-API v2 and solved some problems with sponsorship :)
- Alp
One easy and useful feature to add, would be a character counter (or countdown) so that those who cross post to Twitter or who broadcast out via SMS can keep track of their post length for it's appearance on other services. Again, this is one of the most useful tools in all of social media! Thank you again.
- Chris Aldrich
very cool! A bookmarklet or a firefox extension in the works?
- Mitchell McKenna
Awesome!
- Bilal Gül
Craziest FF tool ever!
- @barisunver #beyn.org
@Barış, thanks :)
- Alp
Interesting, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer, LOL, have you sent this comment from ffScheduler? You must be sleeping :))
- AlpB.
Can this be trusted?
- امیر؟
@amirapt2, It is safe to use. we don't store any passwords or something like that.
- AlpB.
congrats!
- Murat ÖZORAL
a powerful tool for ff users, congratulations! :)
- İdris Cin
Nice Tool, will give a look... thanks'
- Bill Masson
Johnny is going to love this.
- Josh Haley
I made a schedule to send a message 1000 years later to tell the world that 1000 years ago a gentleman booked this message. brilliant... I'm not going to die.
- xia
ahmet bu sana!!!!! http://ff.im/6BR6E bir bakarmısın??
- Umut Ünlü
burada da yayımlanmış : http://feedmyapp.com/p...
- Goktug Okan Oguz
Excellent! Congrats, Alp!
- Evgeni Leshtanski
Great UI for a service that is nice to have. Thank you.
- Vezquex
@Alp: I see a slight bug (?). My Timezone is GMT+7, but when I 'connect' ffScheduler to FF, the time display that actually matches my local time is GMT+6. My guess: You forgot to factor in DST
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
How 'bout an app that will take all the feeds from all the people I subscribe to on FriendFeed and create an OPML file I can import into Google Reader?
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That's actually a really good idea. Hmmm....
- Jason Wehmhoener
And when I say "feeds", I mean the direct feeds from the services they import into their account, not their composite feed. The idea would be to move the aggregation function out of FriendFeed into Reader.
- Ken Sheppardson
That would be a pretty potent app. I wonder if Google's PubSubHubbub wouldn't be a key part of an alternative to the FriendFeed stream in Google Reader itself? I am probably mashing up tools which don't really fit together but I did read that there is a beta version of Google Reader in the wings which takes advantage of tools like PubSubHubbub to collect content in almost realtime.
- Paul Jacobson
That would be a great thing for getting content from your friends (sign me up!), but they'd have to use GReader's (currently limited) tools to continue the conversation there.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Or we'd have to revert to the "old" model where we actually had conversations on the site where the content was originally posted.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like that one. :)
- Brett Slatkin
people need to publish their own OPML feeds that we can all subscribe to. That way if they add a new service it will get updated automatically. Then with an open comment protocol and we have a lot more distributed system.
- John Cooper
from fftogo
I already did import FF to Google Reader. http://friendfeed.opml.org/ via http://friendfeed.com/clonefe...
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
I'd also like a WXL file of my activity that I could import into a Wordpress P2 installation.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Rizzn = genius :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Mark beat me to it. I'd really enjoy such an option.
- abacab
@Roberto: Not something I'm accused of often, but I appreciate it. :-p
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Wait, what's WXL?
- Jason Wehmhoener
How many tabs/windows do you have open right now, and what are they open to?
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I have 5 - LJ, Facebook, Rewards Central, FF, Gmail. Plus my little Twitterfox doover running down the bottom corner. I'm not very hardcore, I'm afraid.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Just one. It is a Hulu evening for me tonight.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
4 - Gmail, Livejournal, Twitter, Friendfeed
- Morton Fox
3 apps and 4 tabs: FriendFeed, Google blog, iGoogle and Google Reader. Uh...Usually it would be political stuff, but I'm resting.
- Anika
11 Tabs. 2 Google searches. Gmail, Yahoo! mail, YouTube, FF, Tumblr, TechCrunch, Facebook, BBC News and FFundercats.
- DB, Just DB #TeamMonique
Woah, Daryl, I would get lost in there.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
just this
- Mike Nencetti
3- this, Ikariam, and Yahoo (my homepage) For apps- XFire, Wow and Vent.
- Heather
6... greader, my blog, karl strauss brewing company in Southern CA, google, facebook, ff
- Jim #TeamMonique
9 - FriendFeed (through NoiseRiver) a bunch of work stuff & iGoogle homepage
- Glenn Slaven
from NoiseRiver
7 - FriendFeed and a bunch of Flickr photos.
- John (bird whisperer)
On safari 4 = insulating attic, installing rafter vents, insulation, FF. And itunes so 5 total.
- SteVe C
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BitTorrent Client Updates : Vuze 4.2.0.7 Beta 1 and uTorrent 2.0 build 16126 - http://filenetworks.blogspot.com/2009...
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"Updated beta builds for both leading BitTorrent clients are now availble. Vuze for Windows 4.2.0.7 Beta 1 and uTorrent 2.0 build 16126 have now been released. It seems that the first uTorrent v2 beta build (16081) was quite a hit among our readers. Here is even better news – uTorrent 2 build 16126 fixes a rather annoying issue users of the first beta had to face. Remember those invalid tracker requests errors? They are now gone. As for Vuze it’s mainly a bugfix version of v4.2.0.4 stable."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
vuze with its HD network!!
- Ahmet Soyata
nice
- Rayxen
Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear.
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Thank you, Paul.
- joey
:)
- iTad
I hope so.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Thank you, Paul. Hearing something is always better than hearing nothing =)
- FFing Enigma
I think this was a smart move fore FF and FB
- Joe Hall
What about the service?
- Amit Morson
Thanks Paul.
- sean percival
Thanks Paul
- Mike Doeff
We don't want it to go either.
- Yolanda
I would not expect any less from such a cool guy like you, thanks! :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Please keep it going for as long as you can or until you can make Facebook actually work.
- AJ Kohn
That's heartening, Paul. Thanks.
- Anika
We love you guys and FriendFeed.. we are just a little hurt and worried.. just please give us details as soon as possible.
- Tim Hoeck
FriendFeed lets me use people as filters to turn data into information. Facebook doesn't. Until it does, please, Please, PLEASE keep FriendFeed as a destination alive.
- AJ Kohn
congrats guys! facebook needs what you got!
- Lorna Herf
I'm sorry that I haven't said more about this. As you can imagine, it has been an extraordinarily busy day (and I've barely slept in the past week).
- Paul Buchheit
I'll add my plea to the chorus: Please don't take FriendFeed away from us. And don't make us go to Facebook (because we won't). FriendFeed means a lot to a lot of people and the thought that it will dry up and blow away shortly is very disturbing.
- Lindsay
It's still great to hear from you Paul. Congrats on that new swimming pool full of cash. :D
- iTad
Simply glad you're here now. You've always been a very responsive and transparent team. As much as I cringe at the thought of FF going away, I *am* happy for you and the team.
- AJ Kohn
Thanks Paul.
- John (bird whisperer)
Thank you kind sir.
- Andrew Smith
I request you make it to the next scheduled FFundercats podcast to talk to the community. This announcement deserves a live appearance to the community.
- Eric - seven eleven
Have been dealing unsucessfully with Twitter for two days, trying to get logged in...Their password reset page says"Snap we can't find you." I keep writing to Tech Support at Twitter and get their helpful auto-generated Twitter Trouble shooting email. My problem is not there. =( Hope FriendFeed does not get that blaise about helping users. @EV
- SashaKane
If FB can't keep the service running, would you consider open-sourcing the thing, so we can?
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
Hi Paul, thanks for the assurances. In the future, I would highly suggest that you make this sort of statement shortly after the initial merger release. Thanks again.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Thanks for keeping the passion!
- Shane
Nice to hear Paul. Thanks.
- Mark Krynsky
I would like to give you a hug right now Paul. However, that would be awkward and April might beat me up so I will just say thank you and press the like button.
- EricaJoy
Best news I have heard today.
- Angus Burton
Thank you for affirming that. Much appreciated.
- Karoli
A few more points that would be nice to have addressed soon. Ability to export data, tool to import friends to Facebook, and will ff.im urls continue to function?
- Mark Krynsky
Amelioration??
- heretic_twit
Those that like friendfeed as is should be most pleased with this statement, as it probably means maintenance to keep the current system as is, without as much attention to new features. It's also good news for all those who like both friendfeed and facebook, as facebook will likely adopt the better features from friendfeed
- Ivan Kirigin
That means an awful lot to me.
- Absentee
This has been quite a day! Can't wait to hear what is next!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Thank you, Paul. Thank you for coming out from behind the curtain and finally giving us some communication, some semblance of hope.
- Akiva
So we can expect a Facebook adaption of this? I like this technology over everyone else!
- Shaggy Jenkins
Eric, my schedule is still a little uncertain at the moment, but I'd be glad to appear on a future FFundercats.
- Paul Buchheit
That would be a good thing Paul. Thanks.
- Eric - seven eleven
Cool :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Thanks for making FriendFeed what it is, and lets hope it stays that way, though there's slim chance of that
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Now that I think about it: are you kidding me? They've already stated that FriendFeed's going to be absorbed into Facebook. What kind of sleight-of-hand are you trying to pull now, Paul?
- Akiva
@EricaJoy: I have nothing against hugs. :)
- April Buchheit
Thanks!
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Thanks, Paul. I've been getting more and more depressed thinking about the bad ways this could go. The reassurances help a bit, at least. In fact, just hearing you speak on the point is encouraging - the open lines of communication between the FriendFeed team and its users has always been one of the great things about FriendFeed that I'm afraid will be lost with the Facebook buyout. And yes, a FFundercats appearance would be a great idea.
- Jandy
I don't want to read too much into this reassurance but the "personal best" remark made me think like there is not a united FF anymore and that it's up to your personal efforts to prevent it from being eaten by FB :)
- Turker Keskinpala
you can sell the tech but the community can not be bought sold transferred or merged
- Robert Higgins
from m.ctor.org
Turker, I do believe that this deal was the right decision -- I'll write a bit more about that when I get a chance. I say that I'll do my "personal best" because I will -- it would be misleading to make promises on other's behalf :)
- Paul Buchheit
Hoping so... practicing patience
- Majento
Paul: I'm hopeful that this will be the best for both Facebook and Friendfeed. What you and the staff at FF have done is amazing, with only 12 people! I love the service here. I also enjoy Facebook (one I ignore all quizzes and stupid apps), but in a different way. Hoping some coolness can be brought to both. Good luck to you and your team!
- Travis B. Hartwell
this echoes star wars galaxies, incredible unique community. but they upgraded it to be like world of warcraft. this is a replay of the devs soothing messages. the forums were livid the community evaporated.
- Robert Higgins
from m.ctor.org
When socialmedian was acquired by Xing they left it alone. I hope the same happens here. I'm sure you will do your best though!
- Michael Fidler
On behalf of the Dutch citizens our Queen wants to let you know: Thx Paul.
- Ton Zijp
Don't know what to say, so lets start with big congrats! from one hand, as an early member of Friendfeed I think we've created here a very cool, collaborative and tech-savvy/passionate community of great people that all probably wish to stick around as much as possible. From the other hand, I know how corporates work and it takes one small decision of share holders to close Friendfeed...
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- Nir Ben Yona
My first reaction is disappointment. I don't believe big corporations do better than small ones. Facebook is inferior to FriendFeed, although it's user base is much larger. Clearly FriendFeed won't survive in the long term, unless it is open sourced. Why not open up and embrace the wonders of the GPL instead of joining forces with the Walled Garden no #1? Facebook don't even operate with permalinks,.
- Morten Blaabjerg
Thanks for the explanation Paul. Of course, I congratulate you guys. I think anyone would do the same thing if they were in your shoes :)
- Turker Keskinpala
A big congrats for you guys.. However, I feel kind of sorrow :)
- Özkan Altuner
good to hear
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Thank you - but I would very much like our content to stay intact. :)
- Mona Nomura
Ryo: if you delete your account everything goes away. I totally disagree with you about Facebook, but that's OK.
- Robert Scoble
Good to hear. Unfortunately I think Facebook are going to download the brains of all FriendFeed staff then kill FF.
- Michael McGimpsey
but Paul it is going to disappear - Facebook bought FF not for the site but for you guys. So obviously once its integrated into Facebook, development on FF will stop
- Anthony Feint
If FriendFeed and all of it's functionality get integrated into Facebook I'm all for it.
- Hugh Isaacs II
Thank you Paul! Congrats on the deal!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Paul - that's great news. It surely can't cost a lot to keep this place running and it's a good place to try out ideas before they move to FB.
- Martin Bryant
what about improving the product and making sure it gets more users, not only supports those who stay?
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar - unlikely. Facebook bought FF for the developer talent, not for FriendFeed itself.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Martin - I also think so, and it is most likely. But I could still have a hope
- Ihar Mahaniok
Paul, please - underpromise & overdeliver...they say it works.
- A. T.
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! (nice name for Facebook skunkworks) I'm sure everyone would love to see FriendFeed itself stay around, even if the innovations that happen are geared towards implementation at Facebook. Thanks for this note Paul! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
There are a few promises and guarantees that you SHOULD be able to provide. Like, that our network of friends will remain intact and that the features that make this site great will remain. If you can't make those promises, then you shouldn't have done the deal. I sure do hope that the real-time search engine wasn't the centerpiece of this deal (it probably was), because that certainly...
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- Brad Williamson
Paul you did such a nice job with friendfeed, and I so want to believe you, but I'm not sure I can. Not because of you, but because of your new employer. Because your new employer is no longer you, and while I have kind of come to trust you, I do not trust your new boss. Not at all. Please prove me wrong, if they'll let you.
- Jim #TeamMonique
Paul - thanks for that reassurance. PLEASE stick to that! I was in the middle of reading and participating in a lengthy discussion off of a Robert Scoble post yesterday ... then I came up for air and saw your news. Congratulations - I have no idea what that feels like or how pumped you must be. There are so many things FF does that I LOVE...I know you know that. Please Please PLease dont' go away! Thanks!
- Tobin Truog
Thanks for the personal note Paul.
- Mike Reynolds
Phewww..relief ;-)
- Ritu
First zombie/mafia request and we're all outta here....
- Fossil Huntress
+1 Fossil Huntress The partitioning of the networks between friendfeed and facebook was a major feature that many people made use of, lacking appropriate controls for who sees what. Merging the two groups of friends isn't going to work, at all.
- Mr. Gunn
It doesn't sound like you understand what has people worried. I wrote this to help: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
Maybe Bruce analysis is too imaginary, but the question is THE question nobody answered: why did you do it, Paul?
- Luca Sofri
I left a response on Bruce's entry (http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...). I'll write more about this on my blog when I get some free time.
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks.
- Bonnie Foster
we all know what needs to happen. the question is, where? ... FB needs, - apart from being/it is, a large, general, open application platform, - 1. Smart keyboard shortkatze - and Im a kbsCzar to go to, 2. Aggregating facilities, smart /RSS/ .. 3. Full blogging facilities, capabilities, not 140 chars. 4. Full real time comments facilities, capabilities. 5. Real time, live, but ALSO...
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- pb:
I hope you're being open and honest with us. This time. :(
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Good to know , we´ll see :)
- Yahya
Thank you! I am sure you will do great things at FB. I just hope that the great app you built here isn't destroyed. I don't know of any other aggregation app that I can embed into my site like this one!
- beersage
Congratulations on your successes, best wishes for more. And thanks for continuing to look out for us loyal, addicted FFanatics!
- Rob Schieber
I hope it continues, i'm a new user and absolutely love it (wish i knew the value of it before)! Congrats!
- Luis D. Santos
and let me add second, obvious, "Facebook needs" - Friendfeed bookmarklet, and Friendfeed tools - widgets, embedding - real time and not - of posts, and groups ...to embedd, to inject oneself into this thing called Internet ..... so, if FB listens to FF engineering long enough, they are going to get it .. right
- pb:
Paul, what I am worried is not that you're brainwashed, but that there's simply no business need for Facebook to improve FriendFeed from now on, period.
- Ihar Mahaniok
I have confidence Paul. While some of the comments were probably uncalled for, covering an investment (of time and money) in these times to move on and hopefully provide even 'better stuff' makes sense to me. It's pretty obvious there are a LOT of people that don't want to 'lose' Friendfeed. (I wouldn't hold a town hall for a few weeks though :)
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats, Paul. It's sad that people have to make these uncalled for hatred comments about Facebook though. Why can't both sites work together. I think Facebook will do better with FF and vise versa. Take the good features of both services. Don't boycott FB, enjoy it. I'm sick of the negative comments going on, that's all. :(
- Molly Song ;)
Because I don't think Paul and the other FF developers would allow FB to do anything. I'm sorry, I am not going to think negative here like some here are. I guess I'm a fangirl for FB.
- Molly Song ;)
Finally something about the changes on the horizon that isn't all d0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0om and whining. Thank you, Paul! :D
- Christian (Simply X)
Paul, what about the content scam that FB T&C is, does it apply to Friendfeed now? Should we all start writing scripts to retroactively delete all content ever uploaded to Friendfeed? Elaborated a bit here - http://friendfeed.com/mbravo...
- Michael Bravo
We know you'll try your best, Paul. But sometimes, you just can't win the dark side...
- Winston Teo
Thanks Paul for all your efforts. Founders often want the best, but acquiring companies often have people with political/power issues or different/limited visions.
- Mitchell Tsai
*throws a sheep at Paul* is that a good thing?
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
from iPod
Yeahhhhhhh BOoooiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
yes, thank you, Sergeant Paul ... well, good to hear we go on ... because if not, how about starting www.anotherFeed.com ... or, www.Letsgofeed.com ...... anyway, lets boost blogging capabilities, post more than current amount of chars, lets have TOP POSTS / clicks count list at the head of each group, some stats, lets index group headers, lets have MORE keyboard shortcuts .. - now ......
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- pb:
FB buying FF is bad news for FF users.
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Agree totally Dave
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Why do you think so Dave?
- Tim Akinbo
10000% agree, its dreadul and the big boys like Leo and Scoble cant seem to see it!
- Mark
Leo laporte says "This is a big step toward an open Facebook. This has been their goal all along: a distributed Facebook." What a Crock of SHITE
- Mark
They bought the people!
- Mark
yeah... but it is also a smart move, they got the team..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm trying to give the FF team the benefit of the doubt...but I'm having a hard time with it as well.
- Ken Kennedy
Born to be sold, we were used to say in the new economy era.
- Federico Bolsoman
They bought the people. We Stick with that. FF guys are Smart/fast and have deep Google knowledge
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
Woah. I step away from the computer for a couple hours and this is what happens?
- Travis B. Hartwell
I agree an independent Friendfeed might be preferable for we few brave FF users. But the writing was on the wall. For most users it's Twitter or Facebook or nothing at all. Aligning with Facebook is smart long term thinking if FB is planning to open up as I am convinced they are.
- Leo Laporte
from BuddyFeed
Let's hope that FB doesn't block people from using the 'competeition' while on FF.
- shelter watch
Seems everything's headed for an autumn war Facebook <> Google Wave
- Jordi Soler
hmm, an open, new version of FB that uses all of what makes FF great would be nice.
- Dusty Edenfield
Leo's got the right idea, and independence is a myth
- Steve Gillmor
Well, how could it possibly be a good thing?
- Fleagle
Agree, I'm not a Facebook fan although I try but.. I'd definitely take FF over FB anyday.
- Sharon Dexter
I prefer a FriendFeed folded into Facebook versus a FriendFeed that quietly fades away, which is the direction this was going.
- Mike Doeff
Totally agree - facebook is so tedious and slow. FF is wonderful.
- Zphotogal
+1 mike
- Riaz Kanani
We imagine FB with the SEO juice of FF, thus intercepting search traffic...
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
I can certainly see the best ideas from FF being folded into FB but not sure what that says about the future of this site and the data it contains
- Keith Harrison
Except for the whole FriendFeed dying slowly in the obscure ghetto of the digirati part. As Mike said, FF in FB is better than no FF at all. FriendFeed users are far better off having it than watching it its gradual anemia grow worse and worse until one day it vanishes.
- Curtis Schweitzer
While this may never happen, consider it a possibility - your entire FB feed now available in FF.
- Tim Akinbo
It is really hard to see how FB will do more than incorporate staff and ideas from FF. FriendFeed's design of being a very open aggregator is very different than FB's walled garden ethic. I also think part of what attracted me to prefer FF over FB is the clean interface, as opposed to FB fire-in-a-bordello presentation style. I hope FB really listens on the UI side and not just on the aggregator side, or works just mines out the staff.
- David Lounsbury
This is a good thing for FF and FB both. This will lead to a more open FB and steal Twitter's thunder.
- Tim
"the writing on the wall?" ... that's just hyperbole, Leo. Paul Buchheit himself said in his interview w/ Scoble that they could have kept the service alive "for years"...there was no financial issue forcing this, like tr.im or something. And while I suppose there are those that believe the most popular site/music/art/people are always the best, I think that's both a shallow way of...
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- Ken Kennedy
Like 4 Ken
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
What I care about most is having a Facebook profile that is *actually* public, viewable by non-users.
- Andrew Roche
I definitely DONT LIKE IT grmphhh !
- laetSgo
@andrew that's one thing FF team is very good at: climbing Google :)
- Marco Massarotto
from iPhone
DOnt like it either. I'm off to a self hosted http://sweetcron.com/ or wait for a http://kakuteru.com/ invite.
- Mario Valente
i'll agree to wait this one out before being totally devastated about Facebook buying FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
Let's leave "en masse"
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
Facebook is banned from my work computer.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Live *open* BadHair podcast in 8 minutes. (347) 843-4661. Call in if you have a comment or question re FB/FF. Starts in 3 minutes.
- Dave Winer
Wait and see ...
- Kate Foy
It means you'll have to share. wahhhhh
- Andrew Smith
I think it is a bad idea. I don't like to use Facebook except for frivolous reasons. FF has been good for reliable information. I suppose I'll stop using it so much now. We'll see.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I want to see where this is going but definitely my favorite social site just got folded into my least favorite.
- Braden Douglass
It depends entirely on what direction FF would have taken next (and what direction it will take Dave). Think most of us that have been around FF since almost the start (when it was a MUCH smaller place) miss that but this actually might be a good thing.
- Charlie Anzman
Agreed if they lose the FF interface.
- Wei-Yen Tan
If we put all our faith into a single platform or a single solution [Twitter/FB/Goog] then we lose touch with people, processes and where history is taking us. In this case, we’re headed more in the direction of where .tel and Identi.ca are stumbling, consciously or not: towards a non-web-centric, permission-based polycephalous set of systems, where discussions and messaging transpire...
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- A Mitchell
Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff. And Google Reader will get more social features including item recommendations through comparing users likes, and so Google will win this. Good time to sell.
- Charbax
Interesting convo we had there dave, thanks for letting us call in and participate.
- Chris Heath
But the real question is who will take over who? Isn't there a possibility that FriendFeed will takeover Facebook! I hope FB make it work as I like the idea of FF but it doesn't have the critical mass of people talking about what I am interested in!
- Phillip Molly Malone
I agree it's probably bad news for FF users.FF has reliable info. I don't want it to become chatter.
- Leigh Marriner
I'll admit to being a recent convert to FF but it was the best social site I have used yet (and I have used them all). I am sorry to see it lose it's independence. This will not end well for FF groupies. But my reading of the tea leaves is that FF options as a standalone service were not good. I guess this is a sign of a maturing market. Can a Larry Ellison acquisition be far behind?
- Michael Liss
simply but clear
- Gioia Feliziani
I agree with Dave's original assertion. I'm struggling to imagine the value Facebook could add to FriendFeed, and I can certainly imagine the downsides. Having an aggregator that sits independently on top of the commercial pile, while fleeting as a free service, is a valuable one.
- Allred
disagree.
- Gus
I have my suspicions too. But Facebook have been wanting to open up more for some time (e.g., they're eliminating regional networks), and I'm guessing they see FF as the key. I'm betting they'll fuse the two services soon. But let's hope they use FF to improve FB. But there's always a big chance FB will ruin FF. Stay tuned...
- Dennis Jernberg
+1 for A Mitchell's insights. If tr.im and FF have taught us anything, it's that no matter how many open api's there are, a closed platform is still a closed platform, and it can disappear overnight. We need a decentralized yet federated way to do all that FF did (and more). If it's not decentralized, we don't have redundancy. if it's not federated, we lose community an conversation.
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
another +1, Don and A Mitchell. I just finished a blog post along almost exactly the same lines, Don...decentralization and federation are both key. Good news is, this is historically how things go...nerds only, then mainstream joins, but centralized (think AOL, Compuserve, Prodigy...services and email that couldn't talk to each other). As the systems mature, then value of decentralization becomes apparent. This week could actually be an important milestone in speeding up that process *here's to hoping...*.
- Ken Kennedy
But Facebook buying friendfeed is great news for the 250+ million fb users! (And most ff users have fb :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
It would have been better (slightly) if they were acquired by Twitter. I'm not a Twitter fan, but I think FF would bring more to twitter, it would be a better fit and the users and the interface would have a better chance at "integration"
- Mario Valente
I've read its good for FF, it's bad for FF. It's better than being sold to google, it's better than being sold to twitter. Myriad variations on a theme, which leads me to conclude we haven't got a clue what the future will bring.
- Mark
FB will better integrate FF than Google or others ever would -- one hopes. let's see what happens and go from there. Good news is that it will generate a ton of news for you peeps to report on.
- Gavin Adams
It's simply time for a distributed story for this type of application. You shouldn't need to rely on any providers who can be down or might be bought.
- Christian Scholz
"Google Wave is coming to replace all this stuff." And lock you into yet another platform owned by one company.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian...Wave is a federated, decentralized, (to be) open-sourced solution. It's complicated, but it's at worst an architecture lock-in (ie, it might be hard to move a large corpus of Wave-annotated data out of the Wave infrastructure). Unless Google is pulling a flat-out lying fast one...there won't be any reason why you can't run your "own" instance of Wave and connect to the rest of the Net. So not standard company lock-in.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, to be honest, I'll believe it when I see companies other than Google taking the code and running an equivalent service. Flat out lying? No, probably not. But "only able to do something useful if you're connected to Google in some way"? Probably.
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian, I hear ya, but I've read enough of the technical specs to lay my money on the other side of that bet.
- Ken Kennedy
Really? I think the old Jaiku community would disagree with you on that. And the people who stored their bookmarks in Google Bookmarks, too.
- Ian Betteridge
why?
- Thomas Power
Sorry - I meant Google Browser Sync rather than Google Bookmarks. One is dead, the other alive and well(ish). But the point is that Google has a track record of killing or abandoning services when it suits.
- Ian Betteridge
True, Ian. Google's "do no evil" doesn't keep them from killing things that aren't panning out for their world domination strategy. They're marginally more saintly than Facebook.
- Sean Gallagher
Is it because of the Facebook ad approach that Dave W and Scoble are looking to jump ship on FriendFeed?
- Sean Gallagher
Sean: I'm not jumping ship. But I will follow early adopters wherever they go.
- Robert Scoble
Or Google Notebook. Even given that and Jaiku, though, which did do a blow to my faith in Google, I would rather a Google-FriendFeed than a Facebook-FriendFeed. Mostly because I think they'd let it do its own thing rather than assimilate it. They left YouTube pretty well alone. Oh well.
- Jandy
disagree with FF and LI nxt year bottled up inside Facebook this forces Google MS and Apple to get seriously social and start playing rather than just watching. Google-Twitter, Apple-Facebook versus Microsoft-Bing now that's a battle I want to (socially) watch with all you guys. Oh what fun. Can't wait.
- Thomas Power
I'm not sure Facebook or FriendFeed are entities whose well-being I value so highly; users, I care about, and having FriendFeed developper work their magic, their talent and their stand for open standard to benefit 300M people sounds more important to me then having them spend more time tailoring the digerati's private network. I'm far for believing you can't improve FriendFeed, but I'd...
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- Bertil Hatt
@Bertil_Hatt: if there's one thing that FriendFeed isn't it's a private network. Facebook is the one who, on the other hand, operates like a "walled garden" or a private condo.
- Miguel Caetano
Only if you believe the FF has a sustainable business model?
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
FF is F'ed
- Shivanand Velmurugan
@coldacid I think it's an admission by FF that they weren't growing. And the best way Facebook could open its platform.
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If Facebook actually does open their platform, and adopts more of FF's open philosophies it can be great. They could also try and just absorb FF and use all the tech internally. Hope not.
- Nick Young
That's my main concern, that they see this as buying the people and not actually getting the site/users/technology. Because FriendFeed knocks Facebook flat on its ass when it comes to usefulness, but it's also a different target market and a different use-case. If they're going to try to "integrate" the two, then FriendFeed will be simply robbed of all value, as Facebook encroaches further into it.
- Otto
When they combine FB pages with FF discussion platform I'll cheer.
- Gus
I think both services has their own strengths. I use Facebook a lot and I am starting to use Friendfeed more and more. I completely agree with you.
- Parvez Halim
But Leo, I just literally heard on TWIT about FB's 240MM uniques! :)
- Gavin Adams
Fwd: Facebook acquires FriendFeed. Interview with Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed. - http://btre.blogtalkradio.com/74_2996... (via http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...)
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Well that was fast, Robert.
- Adam Reyher
Wow. I honestly did not see THAT coming....
- Carter ♥ JS
Nice work Robert.
- Alex Calic
ya talk about real time news, thanks
- sean percival
listening
- Chris Saad
im not sure its such a great thing facebook and friendfeed sitting in a tree.
- Eran Even-Kesef
Good job Robert
- Ruchit Garg
Definitely, I'm listening now. Wow! This is breaking news!
- Manu Ullas
hopefully this turns out okay, don't want friendfeed to get ruined. great interview, that was fast reporting!
- Dakota O'Neill
What are your thoughts Robert?
- Amani
WD mate
- Chris Saad
That was quick. Thanks robert.
- Akshay Dodeja
Hoping this will lead to an improved/cleaner interface for Facebook...I prefer Friendfeed
- Rick Bucich
so, so sad. I like(d) Friendfeed much more than facebook
- Francisco Kemeny
home run for FF.. Facebook will be able to give developers a treasure trove of data one thing that Twitter is dominating on right now. Twitter has a huge developer community but isn't managing that. Here FB is poised to be huge
- John Furrier
So classic that Robert has the first interview about this...Where's Louis? :)
- Anthony Farrior
Wow!
- Ideas At Random
I think FriendFeed can help Facebook more than the other way around.
- Manu Ullas
"very cool...."
- Carter ♥ JS
How do they plan to mix the teenagers with the geeks?
- Jordi Soler
Amani: I am excited! Facebook has 800 employees and 300 million users. This makes both companies much more important.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
here was a comment on SiliconANGLE blog .. very funny .. "Hey, since we've copied almost every innovation you've had, guess you might as well play on the company softball team!"
- John Furrier
Nice strategic move - Interesting to see how this will integrate and looks in 12 months
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
to be honnest I was predicting google offer, then facebook preceed google on this, they are doing well, now rarding FF this is great, the sucess is to know when to pass to something else, the future will make the abtle wave, facebook rude for all geek it is time to code.
- abdellah
You rascal Robert, bet you had wind about FriendFeed and FaceBook merger before today? Yes? Have not used either SM apps. much UNTIL Twitter locked my account. May have been a fortunate mishap as it turns out. Getting to know the beauties of both apps. =)
- SashaKane
Awesome. Thanks.
- M. Kong
Robert wastes no time on the reporting. CNN needs reporters like this.
- JonSupermurray
Not sure I am so jazzed about it....but congratulations to the FF crew.
- Kreg Steppe
Honestly, I won't get used to following Robert Scoble in Facebook. Seems out of place to me.
- Jordi Soler
Wow! I was not expecting that.
- Devon Govett
Letter 'F' affinity and alliteration merger, classic playbook move.
- James Watters
Did I hear someone laugh in the background when you asked about FF users being disappointed?
- Paul Saarinen
Agreed Jordi
- Rick Bucich
A good interview Robert.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks Robert! - shared and linked over on Phreadz : http://tech.phreadz.com/v...
- kosso
Robert, mind if I transcribe this? (Unless someone else already has.)
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Congrats on getting this story Robert. I agree--this is great, realtime journalism!
- Sunshine
No mention of twitter?
- Ivan Kirigin
Hahahaha...all that time you invested over here on FF paid off today! LMAO
- Francine Hardaway
Francine: just watch what happens now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
do you have a small amount of FriendFeed shares Robert?
- Torsten Eckert
NOOOOOOO. Damnit! I am praying that Facebook doesn't wall up Friendfeed. I was starting to build a site around Friendfeed :(
- beersage
beersage: as Facebook is trying to break their users into a more public world, I doubt that you really have anything to worry about there.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Starting to listen to this now. Hoping you are right, Rob.
- beersage
I hope so to. But regardless, I think that it was in reality necessary for FriendFeed to sell to really put the technology in front of a sufficient number of eyeballs. Facebook is probably the best acquirer that FriendFeed could have. (I would have not felt the same had FF been acquired by Google)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The thing with Friendfeed though is how I can share things outside of a 'wall.' I prominently feature the FF widget on my site. I'm just concerned of losing that capability as I was tinkering with delivering a new site w/ content primarily running through my Friendfeed account. I am to this day unable to do much outside of the wall. I am unable to subscribe to Fan Page updates in Google reader for instance. That is what concerns me about FB acquiring FF given my goals.
- beersage
Robert sounded quite breathless in that interview. Thanks Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
Great interview great Job!!
- Kevin J Hatton
This deal was about getting Paul and the team and nothing else
- Stephen Pickering
@stephan, are you serious? FB is buying a concept, a technoloie, a structure, a content and a user list
- abdellah
now how could a team that left google resist under a unique perception system, where the leader vision is upon any thing
- abdellah
Unconvincing Paul Buchheit, the team is more exited of being part of bigger story - logical for them to move on
- patrickdh
They want a way to turn their white pages into a yellow pages and the only guy on Earth who knows how to do it, is Paul
- Stephen Pickering
It was only about the technology and the people. Most people are on also FB anyway.
- James Myatt
My guess is that Paul got a tooooooooon of options and will soon be the No.2 guy at Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Glossing over of that "short term" question by the FF boys. It just seems more about the individuals at FF than it does the users of FF. "Their (Facebook) long term goals" Nice interview, Robert!
- Melanie Reed
Well, it looks as if pass-through of FriendFeed Likes, Comments, etc. to Twitter is down. Will it be for good? Did Twitter do this in response to the acquisition? Or is it just a regular (though curiously timed) hiccup?
- Alex Schleber
twitter dow!!
- abdellah
Alex, my Facebook posts have been going through FriendFeed to Twitter today. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How did you record the phone conversation with Paul Buchheit? I went to BlogTalkRadio.com but... it‘s not clear at all :-(
- Florin Grozea
Florin, rough transcript here: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
To do this call I used BlogTalk Radio's Cinch: http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com/
- Robert Scoble
dugg: http://digg.com/tech_ne...
- Ali
Thanks for this, Scoble.
- mp3WatchWorld
this is why your own personal website is always more important than friendfeed, Twitter and all the rest. that's never going anywhere
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
Google now is indexing things from the real time web in SECONDS. Google is going real time. Proof:
Darren, Mike Chelen, Jorge and 82 other people liked this
http://www.google.com/search... this item appeared very quickly (even now it's only 13 minutes old).
- Robert Scoble
Funny how one FF post lead to another even bigger one.
- Manuel Mas
Wow! incredible!
- ★ Soner Gönül
I'm totally ReTweeting this...wait...no need, Google already has the scoop! ^_^v
- CannonGod
"real-time". Are you saying they're indexing information delivered in real-time? e.g. long polling, comet-ish or xmpp? Or just that they're polling more often and making results available sooner?
- Darren
I can't wait for google wave. Robert, can you get me an invite?
- Craig Shipp
Craig, trust me, you'll change your tune once you've used it. :)
- Darren
It won't going to make Google real time.
- Madhav Tripathi
i rekon google have a special feed from ff, ff pushing to google, otherwise it will create a lot of useless load to see what has changed - isn't that what google was trying to do with twitter?
- simran
Darren: I have no idea. I just know that Google used to take weeks to get items into its index and now is getting them there in seconds. Anyone know how they are doing this, or are they just indexing FriendFeed very quickly?
- Robert Scoble
is it pubsubhubhub?!!
- abdellah
Craig: I don't have a Wave invite yet.
- Robert Scoble
yesterday, I post a blog. And Google show that 4 minutes ago
- kang
Abdellah: Was about to say that.
- Manuel Mas
I think...Google is real-time index Twitter and FriendFeed
- kang
this is crazy how friendfeed is evolving, the realtime discussion here is awesome!
- Adam Benayoun
we have juste to rememeber what Greader do this week ! and remember that FF implemented simple update protocol
- abdellah
Google-Wave can be used as another google notebook
- kang
No. Way. Craziness!
- LisaDJenkins
I think google is losing its focus on traditional search which will make it less important.
- Madhav Tripathi
i can't see this share in Google...
- Zee.
This is what i see when i search for this: http://stash.zee.me/Picture...
- Zee.
Zee: I took a slightly more direct route with my keywords ~ http://www.google.co.uk/search... ...I still think you're right, the title should be enough to find the post.
- CannonGod
If they are doing something in the real-time space it would certainly be exciting. I like having Bing around. Hopefully it'll continue to spark competition around small, innovative features in an effort to out "cool" the other.
- Darren
Wow, they're really gunning after Bing's psuedo social-media search. This can only be good for the future of search...hopefully!
- Steve Farnworth
This post is now in Google: http://www.google.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Wade: Hurrah! This is great news for companies who want to get indexed through keeping an active blog/community through FriendFeed. Fuck buying AdSense keywords :]
- CannonGod
hope no, hope that sneaky marketers will not try to screw the system and they can't do, hope that (BTW let make the supposition that FF index is integrated in Google hmm Google buying FF?!!)
- abdellah
Abdellah: Absolutely - let's all vote: Google should only index posts with a threshold of comments/likes. That's an easy way to stem the spammers who set & forget their FriendFeed with a gazillion RSS feeds to all their spam sites...
- CannonGod
it's not real time! it's highly related with the links through that thread about Kevin Fox. Since Scoble is being followed by thousands of people, the link of the thread is revealed by googlebot very quickly and in a very short time google sees hundreds of links to this thread so it's directly indexed in google's search results. a few thousand internal link is enough for get a url indexed in such a short time.
- Eren Baydemir
It's not indexing Twitter in real time that's for sure. I just "Googled" some of my recent tweets to no avail.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Holden: my posts continually show up within minutes. I've been testing this for a while. But I've also been watching others on FriendFeed and they show up slower, so you're right. Plus my FriendFeed URL has better Google Juice so mine show up higher than others do (I have more inbound links to my account and more links from people with a high amount of Google Juice).
- Robert Scoble
I guess we just figured out why Google sees value in hosting a PubSubHubBub hub! Tim Bray was asking about this yesterday, but the real value is being able to know when anyone updates their content and feeding that directly into the indexers.
- Eric Florenzano
gotta watch what you write on here now since it's getting to be indexed faster.
- Seth Goldstein
Google continues to amaze us
- Kent Courtney
Kent Courtney is now in the mix. friendfeed has made the big time!
- Craig Shipp
I have seen this on a few sites, namely donationcoder.com and my own blog. At donationcoder, someone will post a question on the forum, I get the popup notification less than 15 seconds later (I am a moderator there and have special tools to make job easier), then I'll do a quick google search for answer and find the forum post on page 1 already. I have google alerts set up for anything mentioning my blog and I usually get an email less than 3 minutes after I make a post, linking to the post I just made.
- April Russo
For me, Google's ability to quickly index comments on Friendfeed seems more interesting than yet another index of Tweets like twitturly
- thestaticfrost
Nice. Nice. Nice.
- Mitchell Tsai
Google has definitely changed something because both my friendfeed entries and Posterous entries gets indexed really fast!
- Svartling
When it comes to really fast indexing of "normal" blog posts I think it's the PubSubHubbub integration in Feedburner that Google uses for indexing really fast. I noticed that with my blogs using feedburner. Really cool.
- Svartling
Why FriendFeed's designer, Kevin Fox, is to blame for FriendFeed being too difficult to use: he f**ks with affordances. (UPDATE: he answers me toward the end of the comments with a GREAT set of answers).
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Affordances. They are important. What does that mean? A door knob "affords" being turned. It almost demands it. Yet FriendFeed is screwing with things like links. Here, click on "hide." That should just hide one item, right? That's the affordance. Yet you'll soon find there's a whole world stuck under that little link. You can hide Tweets. You can hide me. You can hide all sorts of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Is it difficult to use?
- Manuel Mas
Hmm.. is it difficult to use?!
- Orli Yakuel
It's a peace of cake
- Mark
i heard larry wall once say about perl "make simple things simple, and hard things possible"... the simple things are definitely *not* simple in ff, increasing the learning curve right at the start... i rekon if they fix that... they have it made! :)
- simran
Ooooo. One does not often see Robert swear. He's really worked up about it. Care to respond Kevin??
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
#2 Look at the time stamp. Did you know that's also a link? Where's the affordance? Not there. Yet did you know you can click that and that is your permalink? Many people have trouble figuring this out. But here's an ultra affordance killer. Did you know you can click it twice and get a popout menu? Not many people do. Kevin has overloaded links with too many features and he has broken the affordances of what links usually do.
- Robert Scoble
Orli: actually, yes, it's difficult to use.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: You may be right now that I read what you had to say. I don't think there is a proper FAQ/guide for all the little details hidden in FF.
- Manuel Mas
And noses were designed to support eye glasses.
- Todd Hoff
well I just managed to wipe out my entire friend feed account when I was trying to add a new one for a different twitter account
- NW Angel
I agree - too many possible results from a given action. Manuel, no one reads FAQs and if you need to, the app is DOA
- Sameer
Well, I don't see it as difficult to use. Its more that there are many things in here hidden that would aid users if there were more upfront.
- Manuel Mas
Most of us get basic functionality out of the site with how things are at the moment.
- Manuel Mas
Look at this complaint too about FriendFeed being difficult to figure out: http://twitter.com/sethgol... Seth Goldstein runs a tech company. He's a geek. Adverse to more pain than a lot of us. Yet he can't figure out how to delete a list. He's not the only one to tell me that FriendFeed is too difficult to figure out. FriendFeed still needs a design rethink to make these issues go away.
- Robert Scoble
Sameer: Agree.
- Manuel Mas
Valid points, Robert, but a complex interface, once learned, becomes simple, too - although that's not the best design philosophy for a massively public website.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Its the visual impact of seeing too many options even if you dont use them. V. overwhelming for the try and buy new comer
- Sameer
I think it is one of the worst UIs on the web today. Which is why I hardly use it. It violates all the rules of good design. Stuff is not obvious, it is not easy and it is not even quickly learn-able. I've spent years in product management and really, this is one of the worst.
- Shripriya
I think the issue here is Discoverability. There are a lot of little hidden secrets to FriendFeed that become obvious only after you've figured them out. They're not very obvious on their own. Personally, it doesn't bother me but that's because I know it. If I were a new user, I'd be at a loss as well. It seems to me that the primary design goal at FriendFeed is a minimal UI (perhaps at all costs).
- Akiva
Roberto: I can't think of another web app that messes with link affordances the way that FriendFeed does. Can you think of one?
- Robert Scoble
People who figure out how to use a system are often the last ones to recognize how difficult it is to use. It's a self selection thing.
- Ken Sheppardson
But affordances are subjective and reliant on the end-user. Take the @ sign or hashtags for instance. Unless you're talking about Apple, it's hard to blame a designer for affordance rule enforcement.
- Sam Harrelson
There is a balance with "affordances" though -- if you have a very complex set of features you could have a knob/button/link for every feature but that would not work either
- Brian Sullivan
@Robert, do you think FF need More Icon?
- abdellah
Sam: we've all clicked on hundreds of thousands of links. We all have an idea of what happens when you click a link.
- Robert Scoble
Sam, the @sign in Twitter was emergent - something users created.
- Sameer
Sure, but I've seen lots of platforms use the date function as a permalink enabler.
- Sam Harrelson
Manuel, agree. Robert, I wouldn't say it's difficult, but confusing (or useless sometimes). I'm not sure it's a design problem though.
- Orli Yakuel
abellah: an icon is probably better than a link, yes. I know that Kevin (from an interview I did with him more than a year ago) likes sparse UIs. He is of the school that you just watch where people trip over themselves and then build UI for that. I think that's smart, but I wish that FriendFeed would iterate its UI faster to pave paths where people are having troubles.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sorry, but you're late on this trend too :) First, being not to follow everyone on Twitter. FF ui has always been terrible. Most tech people I know don't understand how to use it. And I think I use less than 10% of the available features.
- Shripriya
I like FriendFeed as it is. It's obviously a power users tool as is, but then I wouldn't want it stupid simple reminiscent of installing a Windows OS. There just needs to be a decent screencast on the home page explaining all the features. No one reads FAQs these days. Video Game designers just turn the first level into a tutorial for 99% who won't read the manual and I don't mind. Maybe FF needs a tutorial when you first sign up?
- CannonGod
Think about the affordances of FF and compare them with Twitter. Then compare the relative effectiveness of desktop / mobile applications developed for both. There is not a one good app for FriendFeed. This is because of the MANY "extra shite" links and an overly complex API, not because of popularity differences in the services.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Holy shit this item is already in Google: http://www.google.com/search... -- Google is going real time!
- Robert Scoble
Great designs shouldn't need tutorials.
- Manuel Mas
@Sameer right, but we created the @ sign to do a certain feature. Folks on identi.ca have their own signifiers. That will inevitably happen here as well as folks grow comfortable with this platform.
- Sam Harrelson
Shripriya - I think most people who come back dont find it confusion. Its the first timers that run away - and thats FFs biggest problem.
- Sameer
Needless to say, we all love Friendfeed, but we also need a Greasemonkey script to learn which service was posting into the time-line, and the entire issue of groups/rooms really needs a rethink because it's so hard to find any, especially If you're a newcomer..
- Nir Ben Yona
Engagement is deep; Adoption is sparce.
- Sameer
TV ads (at least in australia) are considered misleading if "a person of slightly less than average intelligence" misinterprets them... i think you will find that it takes "smart techies" a while to figure out the nuances of ff, not saying everything should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, but the defaults that way would give everyone a great start... especially when introducing innovative stuff (like "the live web") :)
- simran
Scoble: That Google real time thing is even more impressive than this discussion!
- Manuel Mas
Manuel - Yes. I like to say that if you need to write a manual for your product, it's too complicated.
- Jeff Harbert
Shripriya: I've been complaining about this stuff both in public and in private for a long time. And I wasn't behind in following everyone on Twitter. Come and study how I use FriendFeed to follow small groups of people closely, especially for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, this did get into Google fast.
- phil baumann
Robert: Holy shit, that's impressive - http://www.google.com/search... - sod Twitter I say, if you're in marketing then you need to get on FriendFeed for instant Google indexing of a subject!
- CannonGod
@Manuel there will be always a need to manual and tutorial, people have to sell or to promote so event if you have to explain a basic evidence, write a document make it in pdf format, sell it or share it, but for the sake of simplicity please never ever do FB style document.
- abdellah
UI design is a very difficult thing to do because so many people have different ways they use things. However, I do agree with you Robert that FF does need a redesign to make more of the feature more user-intuitive.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Sameer - I've been back many times, I still barely use it. All the stuff Robert mentions, I had no clue. And its not worth my the time investment.
- Shripriya
i would expect to see the tweet before this one.. http://www.google.com/search...
- Orli Yakuel
Robert - the twitter thing (ie. unsubscribing and not following everyone) was a bit of a joke. But on FF, you are the biggest proponent. If you can't get them to change, no one can.
- Shripriya
Phil: THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT GOOGLE REAL-TIME INDEXING! XD
- CannonGod
Agree Sam, but Twitter nor identi.ca expose a gazillion features in the core app.. Its about managing the "first impression is the lasting impression" thing
- Sameer
Here's the interview I did with Kevin last year: http://qik.com/video/73962 Shripriya: yeah, I keep hearing that from other people I try to evangelize FriendFeed to. One guy, who is a tech advisor to celebrities in Hollywood told me they will never use it because it's too hard to figure out and because there aren't good mobile clients for it, like there are for Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Jake - :)
- phil baumann
@Sameer That's true for a certain demographic, but I look at sites my 8th graders frequent often and I have no idea how they put up with the features. Or take an xBox 360 controller... lots of buttons that do way too many things for my old 30 year-old mind, but my students find it intuitive.
- Sam Harrelson
http://scobleizer.com/2008... - 18 months ago you said their UI was brilliant :)
- Mark
Shripriya- thats ok. Plenty of people I personally know that have signed up for Twitter and never come back because they couldn't find a use case. No app is for everyone. Its about appealing to a large number of folks that see relevance.
- Sameer
Wow, not only is this indexed in Google, but the Likes are getting indexed as well. Don't see the comments indexed yet, tho.
- Sam Harrelson
Maybe FF will always be the power aggregation tool online that only a few use. But is the "few" large enough? I wonder.
- Shripriya
47 emails in my gmail inbox already from this thread (as i commented and said follow updates on twitter)... surely they can batch them at least by the minute... after all... email isn't realtime :)
- simran
Search results for "I don't get FriendFeed" - http://friendfeed.com/search...
- phil baumann
Mark: you took me out of context. I said it both sucks AND is brilliant. That is true. Even today.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, can I add that UI is so clean that functionality are just a part of the design, they need to make more light on them (hey they are all blue link the same sized blue link) :)
- abdellah
The missing mobile client certainly is a downer. I love a lot about FriendFeed, but lack of a *good* mobile client, and other minor annoyances may keep me from staying here. Sure I know I will come back from time to time (and I haven't left yet), but not sure I can live here on a daily basis like I can with Twitter because of the great clients for my desktop and phone, like TweetDeck.
- Timothy Federwitz
Sam, the feature laden apps you mention that your students use, have intent built in them. The purpose is known before you came. XBox = don't do homework. Hell, Id learn how to use very button too :)
- Sameer
I think FF is a different beast altogether and not as easy to create a mobile app for, based solely on service functionality and what we actually do here.
- Manuel Mas
Tim: that's why I like the IM integration wtih GTalk. Gets around the site UI and works great on the mobile as well.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Scoble: I think this was a pretty rude way of giving your feedback. Why are you being so provocative lately?
- Eric Florenzano
from iPhone
difficult for who? the basics are easy....getting the most out of all the tools available is a different story but at least the tools are there. Not so in twitter
- Craig Shipp
Sameer: Yep, good point. Similarly, I see FriendFeed having a very useful apparatus in my work/personal flow as a news/twitter/info client. I mostly use it via IM but also find the site pretty intuitive for how I use it and prefer it over Twitter, etc.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Eric: because no one engages unless you make a strong point and I sure wish Kevin would fix this stuff so I can evangelize FriendFeed better.
- Robert Scoble
Craig: I have shown FriendFeed to many hundreds of people over the past year and I keep getting this complaint over and over.
- Robert Scoble
I disagree with that approach Robert. A strong point is not always necessary. Most times it's a turn off and sets the wrong tone. Sure you get a lively discussion, but half of it is trying to explain you're not reallllly upset about it.
- Bwana ☠
It's fine to complain but I don't see any useful suggestions here from Robert or any other commenters. A problem without a proposed solution is essentially a whine.
- Brian Sullivan
Bwana: we've been complaining about these issues for more than a year. And I am upset about it. It keeps me from having a good time evangelizing FriendFeed. Just search here for how many people don't get FriendFeed. And those are the ones who'll tell you in public.
- Robert Scoble
Just reading this, I have learned 4 things I DID NOT KNOW about friendfeed functionality.
- Liza + = ?
Back again, to say FF still isn't cool!
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
Robert: I couldn't disagree more. Please don't fall into that Arrington/Loren Feldman trap. People engage in a more constructive way when the topic is interesting. Just look at Leo's shows for proof that I'm right.
- Eric Florenzano
from iPhone
I didn't say this wasn't a case for a strong point, I'm simply stating it's not always necessary per your statement "no one engages unless you make a strong point"
- Bwana ☠
Liza: that's another reason I did it in a strong way. I knew it would get engagement. WHen you get engagement your item gets spread to more and more people and that helps out the community overall.
- Robert Scoble
Timestamp? Click, double click? Permalink? I wish I knew all of this before.
- Liza + = ?
Ultimately the best thing to happen to FriendFeed would be the mass proliferation of 3rd party apps that offer a better user experience overall. Let the market sort out best functional IxD. How many highly active Twitter users use Twitter.com regularly? Not many, because there are several Twitter apps that afford a more active Twitter experience. Without them, Twitter would be news from 2006.
- Laura Scott (@lauras)
I disagree. I came here because I agree with the point (as I stated in another thread), not because of the strongness. You may attract certain types with that, but not moi.
- Bwana ☠
The best level of engagement that I've seen regarding Leo Laporte is when Arrington called him out openly and there was the big fuss of him getting thrown off the show. Just saying.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
I also show twitter and friendfeed to a lot of new Internet users and they get confused easily. I think the only solution is to show one simple process and then after they master that for a week or so then show them another feature.
- Craig Shipp
Eric: OK, heard and understood. But name another designer who does stuff with links that Kevin does. That needs to be pointed out strongly, I think. But then I get crazy about design, especially when people keep telling me over and over that FriendFeed is too hard to use and figure out. Even Liza, who has been here a lot, didn't know all that stuff was "hidden" under the affordance of the link.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I appreciate your sharing this info, but it feels strange that all of this seems like a secret. Intention is bizarre.
- Liza + = ?
So Robert, do you really think Kevin and FF are actively ignoring this issue?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: yes. Why? Because it's been like this for 18 months.
- Robert Scoble
As a user, I do feel like it is intentionally hidden.
- Liza + = ?
Interesting
- Bwana ☠
It isn't about ignoring. It's about continuance. These affordances have been here since FF started.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Michael: and they f**k with the affordances that everyone has learned on EVERY OTHER WEB SITE. This is why I used strong language.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and the "new ui" upgrade that happened a while back did nothing but add to the hidden complexity
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Robert, The UI's difficulty is best expressed in comment threads with a huge number of comments, such as yours - http://friendfeed.com/bitchfe...
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
And I am tech savvy, not an idiot, but the argument is, oh, you just aren't enough of a techie to get it.
- Liza + = ?
I think the beauty of friendfeed is the fact that it can be used as a very basic tool but also has the power to do much more in the right hands
- Craig Shipp
Who are the right hands?
- Liza + = ?
And once these get fixed, the real thing that people can't figure out is what is new. On every other website there's an affordance for that. Even in SimplyTweet new Tweets are green. Quick, figure out what is new here that you haven't seen from the last time you were here. You can't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert speaks truth.
- Bwana ☠
Craig: That's the biggest copout I've ever heard. Maybe Kevin needs to go bak and read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Liza: people like me who click on everything looking for secret features. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Don't Make Me Think ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) by Steve Krug may be the kind of design you are looking for.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd: great minds think alike
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Robert: but even Wordpress.com uses the date affordance as a permalink. http://bit.ly/Dwnm6 I understand the concerns about the mass of feature clarity here, but I don't see that particular date/link function as a standard bearer.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Scoble: OK point taken. So let's make this constructive: what should they do to fix it? For the timestamp, my suggestion is to make it bluer and underlined--which everyone associates with links. Do you agree? How can they fix the hide functionality, though? I'm struggling to think of a way.
- Eric Florenzano
from iPhone
Liza: I found a lot of bugs in WIndows 95 by unplugging my mouse and trying to use the entire UI via the keyboard. But then I'm weird. Most people will never try anything. In fact, Google's own research shows that fewer than 1% will click on "advanced search." These weird affordances are even harder than THAT to figure out.
- Robert Scoble
So if this doesn't change, FF may not get as wide of an adoption that it deserves. Hide, permalinks, and little things make a huge difference. The technology is too good for this to be its downfall.
- Bwana ☠
Not having older items shaded or otherwise marked as old does effectively contribute to noise.
- phil baumann
I'm not saying friendfeed can't be made better. I'm just saying it can be used from a basic level with little training.
- Craig Shipp
I was accused of working for Friendfeed at an event 2 nights ago, for being an evangelist, and I still know very little about the functionality. AND I do like to think, I do click on a lot, but I also appreciate the intention of inclusion.
- Liza + = ?
Eric: I would NOT put two hidden features under one link. They need a tab of "customizations and secret features" and put all that stuff there.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not sure it's ever going to change at this point... which is sad
- Bwana ☠
Liza: everyone knows I'm so excited about FriendFeed that they whine when I don't bring it up. Seriously. It's funny.
- Robert Scoble
Whoops sorry Michael, didn't see yours. But it is a good book. Affordances is a bit abstract. He does a good job making the idea concrete.
- Todd Hoff
what social site is better?
- Craig Shipp
Twitter made a big improvement with contextual menu, such may add a value in FF too.
- abdellah
Craig: define better. Twitter is easier. Facebook has more hooks and more users.
- Robert Scoble
Which social site has the better UI?
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: which is why I used strong language.
- Robert Scoble
Until FB and twitter update in real time they aren't even in the game as far as I'm concerned
- Craig Shipp
Robert: Twitter has the best UI?
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
better UI!! ask myspace ugly by purpose.
- abdellah
The problem is w/o knowing the affordances, Newbies create too much noise, feel embarassed and retreat - felt that but did not retreat
- Liza + = ?
Facebook used to have a great UI imho. It's changed so much, now I can't find anything
- Bwana ☠
FF has the better UI would be my guess. But better is such a subjective word.
- Brian Sullivan
K.N. define "best." It's certainly easier to understand than FriendFeed is. Especially if you use a great client like SimplyTweet on my iPhone or Seesmic on my desktop.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: I'm not sure about the tab idea. It would add a lot of visual load on ever pageview. Instead, I'm thinking maybe if hide was a hover dropdown. When you hover over it, it says "Hide just this item", and "Hide all items like these" so that you know what you're getting into. This could work just like the top subnavigation items in many websites, which people are familiar with. Thoughts?
- Eric Florenzano
Agree Twitter's UI is great - was in a studygroup of power users - most of us use web interface with multiple browsers rather than Tweetdeck, b/c simplicity is preferred.
- Liza + = ?
Eric: this is why I'm not a UI designer. I like your solution better.
- Robert Scoble
Hover is an evil thing in a real-time interface
- Bwana ☠
I may repeat it but contextuel menu, yes do it well, that all , FF have to do that , twitter have done it.
- abdellah
i hate chasing links
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: Ahh yeah, good point. Maybe it would have to pause realtime (considering you are actually doing an action)
- Eric Florenzano
Robert: Was talking about Twitter, the site...It's really easy to work with, provided you are not following too many people..
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
On FF you can type in the box and hit enter. How difficult is that?
- Craig Shipp
Yeah Eric, it would have to
- Bwana ☠
Even this thread is hard to read. No ability to specifically reply etc. Another reason I rarely visit.
- Shripriya
FF used to pause real time whenever you your cursor was over a posting or its comments-- somehow that feature got removed.
- Brian Sullivan
Shripiya: This conversation will definitely stink unless you find the hidden permalink
- Bwana ☠
lisa, that's one thing and four words :)
- Craig Shipp
Which supports Robert's argument
- Bwana ☠
I don't know if I will be able to handle a better FF
- Craig Shipp
I went to grab a glass of water, and have no clue what is going on now - see what I mean?
- Liza + = ?
@Craig Oh for sure you can remember the alpha version and when beta come.
- abdellah
Maybe using IM is best, don't know, but, for now, I find it labor intensive vs. Twitter. I like BOTH, and I will continue to use BOTH, but that does not mean there are not simple fixes to improve the UI.
- Liza + = ?
@liza no you know for sure what is going on , you know that this thread is about "....", you remmeber what you have said before, you remember the person for whome you talked so for sure you know were you are at the discussion.
- abdellah
It would be nice to see some of the FF team on this discussion, Kevin Fox in particular.
- phil baumann
I want to reply to indiv comments, it is impossible unless I say @robert or HEY BWANA, that is silly, crappy design. Am I missing something? Plus, everyone calls me LISA not LIZA, so I can hardly answer the questions directed at me without looking for both.
- Liza + = ?
Robert should have cc'd the FriendFeed feedback room
- Bwana ☠
Phil: it is Sunday and they do need some time off of their work. Hopefully Kevin will show up tonight or tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
Liz: yep, I love FF's IM integration. I've got a popout window open on the side of my desktop and can keep up with things (from this thread and everything I monitor on FF) much more easily.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
LIZA - not lisa or liz, ha ha
- Liza + = ?
With that said, I love FriendFeed's comment UI. That's what hooked me to the service
- Bwana ☠
Robert - I am clicking on everything in site, so if I blow up something, oops, sorry.
- Liza + = ?
Liza apologies. multi-tasking fail.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Glen, yep, that's where discoverability comes in. Things should be easy to discover based on visual cues. It shouldn't be like playing a game of Myst.
- Akiva
UNaffordances
- Liza + = ?
Robert - yeah, even if they read this tomorrow, there's good stuff here that's important if the service it to grow in use.
- phil baumann
Say it with me folks : User-friendly-ability. We HAZ NONE here.
- Sean
Robert - now that you are here, I also think it is a mistake to expect users to choose FF or Twitter - recently you have backed off and choose to use both, BUT many of your "followers" are testy with those of us who use both. Until FF is easier to use, I will use both. That is my choice. Positioning FF as Twitter hating is bad move, ppl.
- Liza + = ?
Who is positioning FF as a Twitter hater? Some people hate Twitter (I personally think Twitter is a waste of mindwidth). How does that have anything to do with FF other than the fact that they post on FF?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, do a search, you will find MANY ppl are positioning FF as anti-twitter, and I don't agree with the approach. I personally get a LOT of grief from both sides of the fence for using both, and I am not going to pick a side just b/c others tell me I should.
- Liza + = ?
Kevin - yes, that is a frustration.
- phil baumann
Kevin, totally agreed with that comment, especially when using via the iPhone. It's nice to see comments per OP, but the UI for managing things is horrible and wastes a lot of time, denting my enthusiasm for more participation.
- Sally Church
Officially PISSED OFF - using IM FAIL. Opens new page for every feed. Then I respond in Gtalk and get unknown command. F this. Time to breath deep and try not to explode.
- Liza + = ?
Liza, type in "help" for the list of commands in IM or there's a list on the site. Not sure about the page thing... I don't get that in GTalk.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Liza: consistently when people meet me they ask "what is next after Twitter?" I don't answer FriendFeed, I wish I could.
- Robert Scoble
I don't like help menus or reading instructions. I appreciate your efforts, but I am just pissed off in general b/c I like to figure things out on my own. I can't spend yrs clicking on FF for hidden treasures.
- Liza + = ?
People always ask me why should they use FriendFeed over Twitter.... it gets old after a while
- Bwana ☠
Robert - exactly, if we knew what was next, it would be dull. Beauty in playing, mashing, exploring.
- Liza + = ?
Wow Robert, way throw out an HCI term! Are we going to discuss GOMS or Fitts' Law next? :-)
- Bill Welense
from iPhone
Bwana - I gave it a shot yesterday with some success in the last day. - http://ff.im/6kbAN
- phil baumann
Robert - nice comment. Would love to tweet it to share, but don't know how to isolate it on this f-d up interface.
- Liza + = ?
Liza - I'd like to be able to tweet comments they way Disqus allows it.
- phil baumann
This is Liza frustrated and cranky, sorry for letting my evil twin out, but this feed triggered it. #blamescoble
- Liza + = ?
I'm wondering if FriendFeed will remain the domain of us geeks. Is that a BIG enough market for their business model though?
- Jim Connolly
I secretly hope so, Jim. Twitter was great in 2006 B.K. (Before Kutchner) when it was populated only by geeks :)
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Holden: Well, I'm pretty sure someone hopes to make some money from FF.
- Jim Connolly
Sam: I have to admit, I would hate to see FF flooded like Twitter is.
- Jim Connolly
The fact is Robert that These problems have never crossed my mind. Actually, come to think of it. A unified settings page would be nice. However. Just becuae the UI is unconventional, going against the grain, does not mean it's a bad UI. I'd love to see a mockup of how you would do it better.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Holden: I didn't say it wasn't great. I still use and love Twitter. I just miss the good ole days.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Don't even get me started with a wish list of options.
- Liza + = ?
CONFESSION: I did not know until now about double clicking on the time-link to get a pop-out window.
- Jim Connolly
Holden: Twitter's a spam-filled hunk of crap.
- Jim Connolly
Holden: You may not automatically see a business model, but they would have had to produce something to get $$$ funding. BTW: Twitter's got the audience, though. It's where the people are. Only reason I use it.
- Jim Connolly
Friendfeed is not difficult to use. It is so intuitive. I love that I can easily block certain things, search for items that have a specific number of likes, see a user's likes, etc. It's wayyyyyyy easy.
- Ben Hanten
Ben: A lot of new users tell me they can't figure it out.
- Jim Connolly
they're not trying then, Jim
- Chris Heath
If this was put up to a vote, I would vote to have a better FAQ, but I would definitely keep the design as free of extra buttons as possible.
- Ben Hanten
Hmm, wow, lots of comments fast on this post. Too bad it's a Sunday, I imagine Kevin is up to other things right this second...
- Jason Wehmhoener
Can someone help me find the link to create imaginary friend?
- Krishnamoorthy
Holden, well that's their loss if they can't 'get it' - friendfeed is simple and IMHO if you can't 'get it' then that's your problem, not friendfeed's
- Chris Heath
Krishnamoorthy - http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- phil baumann
the Imaginary Friend function is now a part of Groups. for example, I created a private "group" with my wife's name and brought in all of her feeds since she's not on FriendFeed.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Ok, the imaginary friend thing is a different story. Awesome concept; but way too much work to add a bunch of users.
- Ben Hanten
I think a good start would be to have a totally different "entry point" for setting up hiding rules. Also, defaults might need to be reconsidered. Is it the best to always start off by showing everything from a user? FF already asks you to select your "top five" feeds you want to show off in your profile... Could it make sense to only show stuff from people's top five by default, so one needs to opt-in to get any more of their feeds?
- Meryn Stol
Perhaps a big, dedicated "mute Twitter" (though I'd prefer "Kill Twitter" ;)) button would also make sense. After all, Twitter is in itself responsible for most items - and thus most potential "noise" - on FriendFeed.
- Meryn Stol
you can still quickly create an imaginary friend (as Sam said it's part of groups now) but if you don't want to choose the private group setting yourself just go here http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Chris Heath
maybe i'm wrong and an imaginary friend is different than a private group, but the functionality seems the same - there was a discussion a few months ago about this: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Chris Heath
Chris, yep... good point.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Imaginary friends are easy to setup, but... you really should be able to do a whole batch of them.
- Ben Hanten
Ben, it's rather janky, but my students have private Twitter accts for labs in my class that I read and interact with using the Imaginary Friends + private Groups feature. Plus, I have a nice archive of all student activity that I can search through. Not a great solution, but a good workaround for my extreme case.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
there's a lot on the friendfeed roadmap, and i think that's one of the items... if you participate in the friendfeed feedback room you can get lots of answers to these types of questions http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Chris Heath
Interesting topic. For me personally I use FF for reading rather than contributing or commenting, and via mobile more than the web, but I do agree the UI isn't the best. I would like a google reader or better still, a Feedly style interface. I want to know about what I haven't seen that's in my groups or feeds. And I want that simple and easy with no hidden features or maybe simple and expert interfaces.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It's not the UI that's keeping the mainstream from using the site. This is akin to asking why the mainstream has yet to discover the wonders of traditional message boards. Fact of the matter is most people don't have the desire (not to mention spare time) to continually engage with a stream full of random social media tidbits on a regular basis. But if that's your cup of tea, I think the UI is excellent for sharing, discovering, and keeping up with the real-time chatter.
- Aviv
Kevin, it's pretty simple to get to your likes. http://friendfeed.com/samharr...
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Has Kevin Fox responded to this thread?
- Manuel Mas
Not sure he should -- seems like Robert made vicious and personal attack -- and a lack of response might be appropriate and classy.
- Brian Sullivan
I certainly wouldn't join into this pile-on if I were Kevin. "Oh hey, I noticed you all were kicking me while I was trying to have a weekend, here I am now, go ahead for another round!"
- Jason Wehmhoener
On the bright side, you know your service is about to hit mainstream when your biggest cheerleader starts to hate it (see Twitter).
- Aviv
Aviv: nah, that's not a good predictor.
- Robert Scoble
One thing I would like to know is, where is the link in friendfeed to the application key? I always have to search it from google.
- Ru Viljoen
it's unnecessary to be brutally rude RB but these comments are valuable, we are expecting alot from 12 FF supergeeks, they cannot be perfect but they are incredibly good already.
- Thomas Power
I think "hide" was perfectly designed. The user doesn't get smacked in the face immediately upon loading a page in friendfeed that resembles the control panel of an old fashioned telephone switchboard. One simple hide link, that the user will click when they want to hide something, that then asks what you want to hide. It's called not overwhelming the user with too much info at once,...
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- April Russo
April: they can put a lot of functionality into "settings" that would also do the same thing as hide does today. Most people don't figure out that the hide link has extra functionality.
- Robert Scoble
It's better than what facebook does, which is to hide their multi-function hide button, until you hover over the item. I'd rather have it the friendfeed way and at least know it's there by looking and not by having to play "find the invisible features" game by moving my mouse all over the page waiting for all the little facebook easter eggs to make themselves known. You have no idea how...
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- April Russo
And I don't understand how any twitter user could possibly not know that the timestamp is a permalink. Timestamps on twitter are permalinks too. Ok, the clicking again thing was a bit of an easter egg, but how else could you add a nifty little feature like that without adding any clutter? Even if you gave a full tutorial FAQ, how on earth could you present all these little extras in a way that doesn't overwhelm a newbie and make them run away without reading the huge FAQ?
- April Russo
Missing the point, not about geeks vs non-geeks, even geeks disagree on UI issues,and it is dismissive and insulting to act as if mainstream is not geeky enough to understand crappy UI. My opinion matters, and it was not until a fellow geek, Scoble, brought it up that anyone acknowledged that there may be some UI issues.
- Liza + = ?
I know of a site that has worse issues, for example, clicking the RSS icon on a page takes you to a forum thread with a gazillion posts explaining how to subscribe to the content you want, using all the custom crap they have. You basically have to learn how to build your own RSS url before you can subscribe. And don't click the "Mark" button on a forum thread there unless you want to...
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- April Russo
FF may be messing with affordances, but I don't see it as f*cling with them. I see it as an attempt to innovate. The 'nonintuitive' behavior is a bit of a PITA, but it adds richness to the app. It is also innovation in action. The most painful upshot of suck innovation ia the fet associated with playing with a UI's functionality - you might end up breaking something really important or...
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- Jason Miller
from iPhone
JCUnwired That is not helpful or constructive. Stick to one-sided debates.
- Liza + = ?
Funny thing is though... I have used Excel and Word without ever reading a manual. Now I'm pretty ninja at both but never had any formal training. Neither has about 95% of the people I know how use it, yet everyone I know has worked it out enough to use it well. See, they have these things up the top like File, Edit etc that hold the functions. Those things are not always required and...
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- Johnny
Which social app has the best interface? Easy Facebook.
- John Hardy
As far as I can tell "affordance" and "discoverability" are different ways of looking at the same concept. And I've been complaining about the timestamp thing for a long time.
- Karl Knechtel
I've been complaining about FF's ease of use since I started using it. I'm glad there's some traction on it. ridiculous that the time stamp is not displayed as a (permanent) link.
- jbrotherlove
Never mind that the timestamp isn't displayed as a link. The problem is that it makes no sense for the timestamp to be the thing that is clicked.
- Karl Knechtel
I like it, its a nice gate. It keeps FF tech based. It keeps things relevant. Its an Acid Test. There are plenty of alternatives. And those alternatives that cater to everyone, are full of Blither Blather. If you pass the gate, and pass the Acid Test, you learn about the community and the discussion. With a robust Community and Discussion, Self Policing and Spammers are annihilated. Self Healing Robust System.
- Robert Higgins
Apostol Apostolov, Ana ( http://friendfeed.com/ana ) has confirmed that they're on the issue of adding recipients and groups after posting an item about a month ago - http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Chris Heath
I totally agree with Robert HIggins & Johnny Worthington's recent comments
- Chris Heath
Robert, thanks for your thoughts. Three quick responses: affordances aren't something that someone fucks with, they're something that a designer gives to a design and it's fine to say that you don't think I'm designing a product with proper affordances or strong enough affordances, but the implication that I fucked them up is that I took the gestalt natural affordances of something and...
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- Kevin Fox
The above distinction is important because the argument then becomes one of whether or not FriendFeed has been imbued with proper affordances or not. Now naturally the answer varies from person to person, as it does with any UI for any product. FriendFeed is trying to balance functionality with simplicity and, as is the case for any product with that task, any point on the spectrum could be criticized for either hiding too much of the complexity or showing too much, even at the same by different people.
- Kevin Fox
So the strategy then becomes, as has been mentioned here, one of making the simple things easy and the complex things possible. The most common tactic to enable that strategy, and one we rely upon a lot at FriendFeed, is that of progressive disclosure. This works for some people and not for others, but it's usually an excellent way to make a UI that's not intimidating to a new user, and...
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- Kevin Fox
As for the timestamp also acting as the permalink: Well, you're absolutely right. This is a completely improper affordance that only makes sense if you happen to be familiar with blogs that use the same convention. Fixing this (with something less heavy-handed than a link that says 'link' or 'permalink' or (gasp) an icon of two links in a chain) is high on our list and I want to fold it...
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- Kevin Fox
When we get that worked out in a way we're happy with then we'll roll it out. Until then, it's also important to consider user confidence, and that tweaking a UI too often when trying to find the right answer makes users less comfortable with the design and their ability to manipulate it, even if they don't consciously notice any change. For this reason a few things stay rough a little longer until we have what we think is the right answer, not just a stopgap one.
- Kevin Fox
As always, thanks for the feedback, and for trying to make FriendFeed a better place.
- Kevin Fox
Wow
- Bwana ☠
Wow. +500 xp to Kevin.
- Sam Harrelson
Kevin I love you because you explain why you are messing with the affordances! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Doesn't sound like they're ignoring it to me, Robert :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana: me neither! Glad Kevin explained.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I'm liking this article simply because of Kevin's explanation of why things are the way they are here on friendfeed. He knocked that one out of the park.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Kevins camp. In Japanese there is one word for beauty. Kirei. Actually, it is the same word for Clean Kirei. 奇麗 FF for me is clean and beautiful. "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" Leonardo daVinci
- Robert Higgins
So if we're going to change the time stamp from being a permalink, can we use it to sort posts chronologically? That is the one affordance no one can discover.
- Andrew Smith
I didn't read the full thread, but reading the top and (what is at this point) the bottom really helps me understand what the UI people do. Thanks Robert and Kevin!
- Andrew
Big props to Kevin Fox.
- Sameer
Kevin rocks. Even on a Sunday night. They pay me to say stuff like that at work. The thought of having to step up to the plate anytime 24/7 with that level of professionalism is daunting, to say the least. So yah, big props to Kevin Fox.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I actually like the current UI. I like the feature set. I agree it DOES need a more intuitive and quicker way to know about and learn the deeper features.
- George Hall (Australia)
There is something to be said for having the conversation first - then Kevin calmly explaining his pts. It gives others a chance to respond honestly, and then Kevin gets far more valuable feedback. Selifishly, I also like the fact that I can see others' views - many who did not address UI issues but showed a defensive sense of entitlement (see Louis's chart on new adopters)...Robert,...
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- Liza + = ?
Great responses Kevin. For the record, I'm a fan of the "progressive disclosure" approach.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Really great points, Robert. I've learned some things because of this discussion. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
- Brian Adrian
One answer to Kevin. Blogs, since the beginning of when I started to use them used the "permalink" or "#" convention. I guess the thing is that in FriendFeed the CSS here is hiding the blue underline, so people don't know that the time stamp is a link. It's tough designing for the web, I know. That's why I don't do it. At least very often. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Twitter uses a time stamp as a perma-link as well. </fuel to fire>
- Bwana ☠
Yeah. I just tweeted about that myself. </more fuel to fire>
- Dennis Jernberg
Fascinating. Didn't know about the timestamp as permalink, but I didn't suffer from unnatural affordance issues prior to reading this discussion either. Not an ubergeek, but I don't suffer. So, maybe FF is not "above the heads" of the average, but merely yields enough at any level to meet whatever the particular need might be, wacky affordances or not. And people who avoid it because it is "too hard" need to toughen up a bit. This is 2009 and the Internet, after all.
- Martha
Also, the "Share" link exposes the permalink as well which I think was a great addition to alleviate the time stamp confusion.
- Bwana ☠
Wow. How did Kevin get those 5 paragraphs contiguously posted? Copy-paste-post. Copy-paste-post? Or is there some other secret weapon not yet released?
- Nick in Manila
Nick - I'd bet 1000 gil on Notepad/Textedit :)
- Bwana ☠
I'm waiting for the twitter theme for friendfeed, to show people exactly how easy FF is to use considering its features and exactly how braindead twitter's UI is.
- Andy Bakun
Nick & Bwana: Textedit and copy/paste/post. As I was c/p/p-ing I thought about how I could make a tool using the API to allow for this kind of thing, then envisioned how that would break FriendFeed and banished the thought. (and then I just commented about it anyhow. Oh what have I wrought? I am become death, destroyer of words.)
- Kevin Fox
Bwana: hey, at least FriendFeed's designer listens and answers back. That might get more mud thrown his way, but a whole lot of love too. Personally Twitter's design isn't very good, but everyone thinks it is because it doesn't have many features so they perceive that as simplicity. I perceive it as inferior but that really pisses off the Twitter types and they start arguing with me about stuff like the above.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I was just thinking that. We would NEVER get this kind of interaction with a Twitter dev on a work day.
- Bwana ☠
Part of me knew Kevin would address this at some point. It was merely a matter of when.
- Bwana ☠
I hope this thread/conversation doesn't end any time soon, either here on this post or elsewhere. I want FF to be the best it can.
- phil baumann
I think FF is waaaaaay easier to use than Twitter and recently started using FF to follow my twitter feeds. Images and videos are inline and comments are threaded (no silly @ replies). I only wish more of my friends were on it!! (also, it would be nice if comments were formatted with the commenters name first which seems to be the convention on most sites i.e. "May: blah blah blah").
- May
To go back to the top a little bit: does anyone think it ISN'T weird that not all the links on FF are blue? Not just the time stamp: the service your content was imported from, your name at the top of your profile, and the time stamp are all non-blue links. Is there a logical reason for those inconsistencies? I've never understood that.
- Andrew
Awesome explanation by Kevin. I happen to love FF's progressive disclosure. I think the 'hide' feature is a great example of this. You could argue that they might make the second stage a bit more obvious, but it's still a lot better than a huge drop down menu at the start.
- Ben Reierson
Even Twitter has a ramp up time. It took me about a month of working it to get comfortable with it. Only slightly longer than it took me with Twitter. And it is light years better in most every way. I agree with Robert's desire to enforce change through public criticism, but I think it important to keep it in perspective: FF is generally a better experience on all fronts. Kudos to Kevin Fox and the rest of the team. I feel confident they are more than capable of seeing issues and resolving them.
- Martha
i never really had a problem with that Andrew, and I never had the problem with the permalink either... if your mouse changes from pointer to finger, then it's a link and you can see the destination in the status bar
- Chris Heath
Andrew: I actually hate blue underlines. Designers have hated that affordance for years. They look ugly. They make text harder to read. I'm in Kevin Fox's camp on that one. Get rid of underlines! Just make affordances that people can figure out without being told about (like clicking twice on hide or clicking twice on the time stamps).
- Robert Scoble
robert, i don't get your clicking twice on hide problem... hide seems fine, and while i don't use it much i don't recall clicking twice, like with the timestamp
- Chris Heath
Chris: normal people don't mouse over every word in a UI to discover whether there is a secret link there. Also, explain how hovering over "hide" would tell a user that there's different functionality there if you click twice on that word?
- Robert Scoble
Chris: if you click twice on the word "hide" you will get different UI that will give you different choices. If you click twice on the time stamp you will get a popout window. Not intuitive at all.
- Robert Scoble
when i click hide i get an undo and hide options links, that seems the correct UI - i agree with you on the timestamp, but the hide thing isn't the same
- Chris Heath
Chris: Hide does act differently, I agree, but most people, in my experience, don't look at the second page because they don't expect to see more options. Remember 99% of people never click on Google's Advanced Options. Do you REALLY expect people to click twice on Hide? I don't. And even if they did, shouldn't those features be in settings too? Where people expect to find them?
- Robert Scoble
i don't buy your beef w/ hide, but i agree on the timestamp - i also agree with you on not having to hover everything to see if it's click-able and also don't like underlining, so there needs to be some other visual cue of the link/feature
- Chris Heath
sometimes features do need to be learned/taught and everything can't be intuitive... i think we might be overshooting our ideals for usability. remember the days of three ring binders and books and manuals for using any given system or software package? we've come a long way, but users do have to learn some things. i think friendfeed has done a good job of making the site usable for the...
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- Chris Heath
Given a top complaint about FriendFeed is too much noise, Hide needs to be more intuitive.
- Bwana ☠
Since I still get the dumb blonde / not techie treatment from many, I am going to go w/ it and say that even I figured out hide early on. The timestamp stuff was news to me.
- Liza + = ?
I'd wager at least half of FriendFeed doesn't know about the second page of hide options. I've had to explain it countless times and a ton of people didn't even know you could selectively hide services based on comment/like behavior, etc
- Bwana ☠
Kevin, Thanks for listening and major props for taking your time to listen to constructive critisicm.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
9/10 of the folks that use Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc don't know all the features and functions. Having every single function be completely intuitive and/or labeled is not needed for mainstream acceptance or usage if that's what we're all worried about here.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Every single function, I agree. Hide, needs to be more intuitive.
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I agree as a power-user, but how many folks would actually use "Hide"? It's an edge-case function that will/would never catch on with the mainstream. I just don't get these complaints.
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
Sam: you're right. But I didn't get this kind of pushback when I evangelized Twitter and Facebook had many more hooks to get people into their system than FriendFeed does (and keep them there) and even Facebook doesn't have a lot of the weird affordances that FriendFeed does even though it's more complex. The complaints I get consistently on FriendFeed (a lot of which have to do with...
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- Robert Scoble
Oh, and the number of comments here tells me a lot of people feel very passionately about FriendFeed and want it to be better, even if they are telling me I'm full of it.
- Robert Scoble
The complaint is noise. There's too much. There's too many duplicates. I don't want to see "X". These are complaints I see and answer often. The solution is hide and they don't know about them. It's not a power user function imho.
- Bwana ☠
FF lost a lot of users during the initial launch because people didn't know about or want to properly hide unwanted stuff.
- Bwana ☠
"FriendFeed is full of baby photos" Classic complaint. Solved by hide.
- Bwana ☠
It's always the user's fault. Always.
- Rahsheen?
Robert, I got on Twitter around Thanksgiving of '06 b/c of your evangelicalism (thank you/curse you btw!). But the concept there was/is much more easy to grok. Of course folks are going to think FF is hard b/c it is hard. But to bastardize JFK, "we choose to go to the moon and do these other things in this decade not b/c they are easy but b/c they are hard!"
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
friendfeed isn't hard...unless you think a blank piece of paper is hard.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Depends on your definition of hard. Some people think complicated or inconvenient is hard.
- Bwana ☠
Alex, have you ever written a book for a publisher that loaned you money and expects the money back? A blank piece of paper is incredibly hard!
- Sam Harrelson
Look at lists. Very powerful tool of FriendFeed, but for some, it's too much work. Some may call it hard, some may call it.... too much work :)
- Bwana ☠
Sam: but this blank piece of paper can write itself thanks to the integration with other sites :)
- Andrew
I know in the apps I've tested, if the UI was difficult for the end user, they would avoid using it.
- Bwana ☠
Andrew, you are completely right. Good point. I'm thinking from a contributing point of view (b/c I'm a teacher and I always want to influence, etc) but you're right.
- Sam Harrelson
Alex: is blank paper sort of like a blank Wordpress entry screen? I get it then.
- Robert Scoble
Seeing a real-time stream of the full conversation is highly desirable and one of the best features of the service. I design and use software all the time and didn't know about the time stamp link until someone told me about it. Robert is doing them (another) favor by using controversial language to bring attention to the issue. I bet we see an update in a week or two and the service will be better for it.
- Chip Ramsey
I can see it now: if entry["from"]["id"] == "scobelizer": theme = "lots-o-links"
- DGentry
either that, or entry["body"] = pigLatinize(entry["body"])
- DGentry
Wow ... Great dialog. Kudos to Kevin for his comments! I have demo'd Friendfeed for more people than I can count. Most of the issue has to do with people's time vs value (or just fun). Is it harder than Facebook? NO! Nobody says you have to use it all and 9 out of 10 people I've demo'd Facebook for have NO IDEA what a permission is (Think about that ... and the defaults?!). Twitter has...
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- Charlie Anzman
Then ... The Friendfeed Browser and OS!
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, given Kevin's responses, you might want to edit/tweak the Original Post/headline. I wish there was a way to promote the comments so they were 'pinned' to the OP
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Aaman: what's an OP? The headline?
- Robert Scoble
Yes, the Original Post - I wasn't familiar with the term myself, and saw it first on this very thread, then googled it. (It can also mean Original Poster)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Glen: I'm not scared of feeling dumb. I feel dumb every day given the quality of the people I hang out with.
- Robert Scoble
@Kevin: wondering if there could be a link that would take you to a page that would show what features have been added, disabled, or removed.
- Harold
Matthew: you make sense. I've locked the comments here so you can see Kevin Fox's reply without digging back too far.
- Robert Scoble
Google Preparing To Launch A Large Themes Gallery For Chrome - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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