What would the benefit be? So someone else does not buy them? I think they may be more productive and successful if they are independent. - Nick Dynice
Seems if Google makes it, it works brilliantly. If they buy it it sucks - YouTube being the exception. - Ciaoenrico
funny how people outside, however smart they are, interpret one experience, or past experience and push it on outsiders - there are certainly social media people who are also MLM folks, but I dont personally know any or associate with any - they are on the "bad side of the tracks" in our village - Chris Heuer
yes, strip linking will never be the same. - Todd Jordan
Not the rules; certainly the dynamics. - Amanda Chapel
I believe that just like TV, social media has changed the rules. When TV came along, companies were grappling to adapt their marketing campaigns targeted towards listen-only radio audience, we have the same issues here which will be resolved soon… teething problems as they say - Sachendra
Social bookmarking has become a great way to promote any site. It can be such a tedious pain though, to manually submit your URLs to all those social bookmarking sites on a daily basis. Would not it be nice if there was some kind of automated software that you could use to submit your URLs all at once and would only take 5 minutes out of your day instead of an hour (or more)? Well, of course there are a lot of software options out there, but from a little research, I have found BookmarkingDemon to be the best for your wallet. It is an application that will automatically submit your links to social bookmarking sites. - ChaCha Fance via Bookmarklet
dagnabit! @gregarious I told you that the idea behind Xtagging was a strong one...good business model too - charging people! what a concept! - Chris Heuer
I Never heard of them but their traffic is over 2 million so I am a bit surprised I have not until now. Why did you bring it up? You work with them or are thinking about joining and just asking? - Roger Kondrat
One of our members at PitchEngine asked the question in the forum. I'd never heard of them either. Here's is the link to their site http://www.ibnma.org - Jason Kintzler
a correction here, I know Paul Chaney who just took over as President to revitalize the organization and Jim Turner, one of the founders of SMC Denver is also on board - Chris Heuer
Des Walsh, a friend in Australia, has mentioned them to me several times. He is on one of their boards. They are getting a lot of traffic and growing attention. If they have people with the credibility of Des continue to be involved I look to them to be an ethical and important voice. - lonnie b hodge
A thorough, current list of 150+ categorized Twitter desktop & mobile applications, browser extensions & resource links for Twitter users, addicts, social media users & marketers to utilize. Yes, there are a lot already on the Web but a lot of the links are outdated & none of the newbie sites are on it! - ChaCha Fance via Bookmarklet
How do I edit the wiki to add my name to the list of attendees? It's asking for an invite key. - Hao Chen
Guess Memphis didn't make the cut! D'oh. - matt ceniceros
the tour coincides with Mashables Summer Tour which is why no Memphis. Social Media Club will be bringing more unconferences and social media workshops all around the country to a town near you over the next year... - Chris Heuer
“ Anyone have an example or case study of social media/networks used for advocacy in a community for health care, environmental, labor or construction issues?”
"from the article "drawing more attention to stuff that is only of interest to a tiny minority of a tiny minority. It's not even of interest to most bloggers, just a subset of Twitter users"
apparently it is of interest to him enough to make a mainstream media case out of it - perhaps seeming like the MSM is trying to paint an interesting picture of social media in light of 'attack of the bloggers' ala forbes eh?" - Chris Heuer
A nicely balanced piece. My crystal ball is notoriously crappy, but I like the Twitter interface. But I'm trying to adapt. - Mike McCallister via NoiseRiver
I like the twitter interface as well, I wonder if we should invest in using the FF api to create a twitter-like interface - Steve Eichert
It's already been outdone by this site in terms of usefulness for the average person. - Jacob
So they looked at tumblr, said, "Perfect! But let's get rid of signing up!" and voila, posterous? - J. Phil
How does it determine your vanity domain? By the sending e-mail address? That'd never work for me as I never give my actual e-mail address to any website. It's part of my zero spam measure (and, yes, I get absolutely no spam and have for many, many years). - Akiva Moskovitz
great, i got my own name there - another extraneous social appendage to look after... - Chris Heuer
@Akiva - You can set up a gmail account and register. You are assigned a temporary URL and can create your own 'vanity domain' after registering. - Rex Hammock
Thanks for the suggestion, Rex. This fits in with what I normally do: create an alias account on my mail server and use that. And now, for no real clear reason, I have http://akiva.posterous.com. - Akiva Moskovitz
It's pretty nice. I still like Tumblr more though. - MG Siegler
Posting from the site doesn't offer the opportunity to include photos that I can see. I'm with MG. Using the bookmarklette with Tumblr is still easier. I can link to a site while there instead of having to open my email client. - Jack Carlson
Gary Tan seems like a nice guy. That's a plus. - K Welch
Neat, but considering how I just got hit by a spammer spoofing my Gmail to blast a few dozen people, I'm leery of the no-setup model. Going through the signup is easy but defeats the purpose - what major blog service doesn't have post by e-mail now? - Garrett Guillotte
No future, for this app, it includes Comic Sans in text style options; Comic Sans is evil. - marcantonio severgnini
Hey Scott, thanks for the tip on Posterous. So bloody easy. - Marc Johns
Yes Tad, back in the good old days of phreaking - Ross Maguire
I remember these - I used to break these apart and look at the metal pieces inside them when I was "young" (I guess I was 8 then). I broke 3 of three of these phones and one big Radio thing. Good ol' days when I can break things and not get shouted at... - Yuvi
I can remember when this was all fields, far as the eye can see. Course, they don't make 'em like they used to. Kids today? Don't know they're born. OH MY GOD I'VE TURNED OLD!!! - Slippy Lane
The most demented thing I think I've seen yet. My parents actually still have two rotary phones at their house. The kids look at them and yell for help. - Cyndy
@Tad try being able to remember the old 1 long 2short ring crank phones :) when my parents first moved out of the city the small town we lived outside of still had its own local exchange and we had a party line phone - private line phones were horrendously expensive :) - Steven Hodson
RETRO FTW! childhood memories come flooding back... ahhhh! - Susan Beebe
looking forward to your conversations over here Leo. - Thomas Hawk
I like the idea of friendfeed - but the simplicity of twitter is its appeal. I wonder where Pownce and Jaiku will sit in this msg evolution - dann weatherhead
I have a feeling that this time things gonna better than the Jaiku move. - Du Senyao Peter
i havent been able to make the move - are there twitteriffic-like apps for FF as well? that would help my jump... - Andy Beach
I think twitter's UI is better and I wish there was something like twitterrific out there - maxim shevertalov via twhirl
This is funny, I just signed up for a twitter account. With what appears to be a mass exodus from twitter to other services, is there any point in me building up a network over there? - Eddy Cole
I want to make FF part of my routine, but it's just so damn cluttered -- plus I don't see any mobile integration yet. It's almost there, but it just needs a little more work to really take the Twitter throne - Noah Mittman
I remain a bit grumpyabout FF; I cannot shake the feeling that I am only here because Twitter failed me so many times. Anyway, here I am! - sage brennan via twhirl
The busy UI and lack of users put me off. Perhaps if it didn't try and link in with Twitter it would be easier to follow? - Oli from the-iBlog via fftogo
I have left twitter also, but now use Plurk. With the newly added search, I can find conversations about just about any topic. - Jon
I am really liking FF for conversations. I like Twitter for status/presence updates. Isn't that what is was designed for? Want to know where I am, and what I am having for lunch? Check Twitter. Want to know what I am interested in and reading? Check Friendfeed. - Sean Brady
Glad to see you over here in FF Leo!! welcome! BTW twitter pulled their own trigger - no guilt with that....just remorse - Susan Beebe
I sure wish one of you ex-TechTV guys would "direct me" - lol - JackRyanBauer via twhirl
If Twitter had a closed beta to better manage scaleability, but at a const of having a large user base, would it be as big as it is? - maxim shevertalov via twhirl
Is that it Leo you are off Twitter ? , ok kids grab the life jackets - NA76
Leo, what is your preferred way of FriendFeeding? Post once via Twitter and resume the conversation via FF or some other way? - Alexander Kucera
Leo, you are so fickle! I think you have TADD...Technology Attention Deficit Disorder. :) - BISQ
I'm trying that move too. A lot of info to sort so far - Michael Leis via twhirl
Leo, I violently agree. I think reliability is the killer asset. - shelisrael1
I've done the same. Twitter is dead to me. LOL :P - Grant Gochnauer
I just created a FF account too. It's a shame. I love Twitter. - Matthew Vaughan
I don't get the big Hoopla. FriendFeed is a Commenting System and a Medium to get Content on. Twitter is a Messaging system. Sure you can (pressed enter here accidentally) 'switch over', but really, Twitter could be thought to be something completely different than friendfeed - Chacha via twhirl
I'd like to see more of my twitter friends using a "lifestream" commenting system like FF, or see Twitter turn reliable and then add a better threading system for replies.. but until someone gets their act together I am happy using something that has the capability to do very similar things. So I'm happy to be caught up in the current migration toward a meme that works. Update: and one that is editable;-) - Curtis Cross via twhirl
i had to disconnect for a few months due to family health issues , missed it , but Im back on it now , friendfeed seems to be the "watercooler" now - fotographic
Eddy Cole, the services are completely different. Try them both out. Many people, myself included, use both services. For some reason people want to make this a contest between Twitter and FF. - Mike Doeff
@Mike thats what I've been trying to say, Twitter is a messaging service, FF is a Aggregator/Commentor. Very, Very Different - Chacha via twhirl
thanks Graham - I had no idea twhirl support FF as well! - Andy Beach
@Mike, thanks. I'll give both a shot and see what happens. - Eddy Cole
Chacha, totally agree. Baffles me why people continue to compare apples to oranges on this. This blog post is worth reading... http://www.winextra.com/2008/0... - Mike Doeff
I am in the conversion process. And actually what it seems is that you don't have to abandon twitter, FF will just post for you - Edward
I found myself doing this a couple weeks ago. Every time I wanted to go to twitter it was down, so I just started using ping.fm to post, and following all my feeds of FF. I agree with the ease of conversation on FF. - Melissa Goetsch
thanks for turning me on to friend feed Leo, can't handle the way Twitter goes down all the time anymore... - David
I still using both but FriendFeed is more interesting to follow and comment on. - Judy Jones
FF definitely has some nice advantages over Twitter (or probably more over Jaiku for that matter) which people with tons of scattered content can benefit from. On the other hand there are still tons of features I'd love to see added here (esp. on an API level). In the meantime, FF just has to hit the web-mainstream ;-) - Horst Gutmann
I would like FF a lot more if it pulled in my friends from other services. As of right now, all it really seems to do is aggregate my lifestream. I'm too lazy to manually add each rss feed to FF, and there's no way my friends are going to sign up for FF, after it was a giant PITA to get them to sign up for twitter. - Austin Brown
Is there an iPhone client for FriendFeed? I do alot of messaging on the go. - Robert Hafer via twhirl
you have inspired me to check out FF too .. so far - I likey! Thanks Leo! - Jenz
"but lends itself better to conversation.” could you quantify with your own experience as to what it means "Bettter conversation" ? We first had blogs /RSS , twitter , wownce which all seems to raise the bar on the converational index.. but what do you mean "better to conversation" wrt to FF ? - Peter Dawson
On Leo! One! Chaud devant! --french people will understand ;-) - directeur via NoiseRiver
@Austin That is what imaginary friends option in FF is for. You can add most of the services. There are several guides, linked to in this very thread and others available by googling that give you the info you need to set it up so they can have the freedom of using twitter, etc... and let you have the option of moving.. It doesn't have to be a competition between FF and Twitter. But if you are tired of all the loss of function, and downtime of twitter as I think most of us are.. going FF broadens your options to something that at present is useful to you;-) - Curtis Cross via twhirl
Yep just found someone I follow on FF, don't on Twitter, and I thought, what's the point of following them on Tw? 8-\ - Brian Carter
@Brian Carter was that person me ;) ? I think this weekend showed how friend feed can fill the void of being connected and following the thoughts of those who we have grown to trust online. Since then, I have noticed that the traffic on twitter (at least for me) has gone down significantly by the people I was following and didn't really know in person or know well. My inner circle are still using twitter and the mobile factor is still huge. The real question is can I still be active on FF while at work. - Andrea Baker
Reasons desktop app for friendfeed is not as usable as webpage: 1. usually quicker to navigate high volume on web page. 2. desktop app will surely be chasing new functionality (i.e. retwitter comment feature on FF web but not in twhirl). - Boris Gordon via twhirl
hey Leo, you should try Friendfeed in Twhirl, just click on the Twhirl logo and add Friendfeed as a new account, already 5% of all the comments there - Loic Le Meur
Does Obama know? He still thinks we have 57 states. - Michael Tefft
Michael, that doesn't work anymore -- you can't turn this around. I usually don't go for these gotcha questions, but the price of gas is a huge issue, it hits everyone. I remember very well the first time I paid more than $4 a gallon for gas, and I'm finanically well off, I can't imagine what it must be like for people who are just getting by (I've definitely been there myself, many times). You can be sure that if Obama didn't know before he does now. - Dave Winer
The guy is lazy. What, he doesn't ever look out the window of the Straight Talk Express. The price of gas is advertised everywhere. I could understand not knowing the cost of a gallon of milk (though he should be up to date on that too). Presidents have to keep a lot of information in their head, it's a complex world. It says a lot that he can't be bothered to understand the most basic thing about the people he's trying to sell. In some sense we're defined by this today. - Dave Winer
This reminds me of when George Bush, Sr., visited a supermarket and didn't quite get the concept of scanning product bar codes. I fear that too many politicians are so out of touch with the realities of life for normal citizens that their judgment is warped. We must always be wary of people so thirsty for power that they forget the realities of life. - Mark Dixon via twhirl
"I don't see how it matters" - McCain often topspin volleys that type of answer. He sounds like VP Cheney, a lot. Out of touch and/or out of memory. - OpenAllNight
Aren't there enough things to attack McCain on without distorting the facts? The question put to McCain was "When was the last time you pumped your own gas and how much did it cost?" McCain's response was "Oh, I don't remember. Now there's Secret Service protection. But I've done it for many, many years. I don't recall and frankly, I don't see how it matters." Not remembering what the price was the last time he bought his own isn't the same thing as not knowing what the price is now, is it? - Ken Sheppardson
Note I'm an Aussie - and prefer OB to JM, so be kind. But I also prefer fact to spin. In this case it looks like it depends on how the question and answer were interpreted. McCain was asked when he last pumped gas and the cost - he said he couldn't remember and didn't see how it mattered - that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't think the price matters, it just means he only answered the first half of the question - about when he pumped gas. Easy trap for someone to fall into. - Craig Thomler
No Dave, I am just tired of you and your friends always taking cheap shots at McCain and Bush and NEVER having anything bad to say about Obama.. And you can't seriously infer from that question, even if the source is telling the truth, that McCain is not aware of how the price of gas is affecting people. Give me a break. - Michael Tefft
Candidates are under tons of pressure to come up with answers to some pretty arcane questions (Sunni/Shia, names of world leaders, etc.), and I am sympathetic. But this is their chosen profession -- both the governing AND the campaigning. If they are not able to answer these questions, then they are not getting their jobs done to satisfaction. Period. I live and work in China, and I am not quite insane enough to drive myself around Shanghai, but I still have a pretty good idea what my friends in the US are paying for gas and milk. McCain will just have to laugh this gaffe off, like Bush Sr. did with his "I'd like a grit, please" boner. - sage brennan via twhirl
The question was not "What is the price of gas?" It was "What was the price of gas the last time you pumped it?" It's not the same thing. You and I remember the price of gas, because we filled up within the last week. Do you remember how much you paid for gas six months ago? Quick... without looking it up! - Kenneth LeFebvre
(Oh, and I absolutely don't like McCain, either, so I'm not particularly looking for any reason to defend him... :) and I do think a good politician could have answered that one much better than he did.) - Kenneth LeFebvre
Michael, it's okay to feel that way, but you're wrong to direct your anger at me and my "friends." Do you think a football coach ever goes into the halftime locker room after a losing half and blames the other team's fans? He wouldn't have a job much longer. He'd probably be fired by the third quarter. :-) - Dave Winer
Kenneth, I thought that at first too, but I actually read the interview and he did get asked the price of gas. - Dave Winer
And to answer your question, I don't remember the price of gas six months ago. But the question was what's the price of gas TODAY. That, I know. It gives me a stomach ache. It makes me feel we're headed into the crapper as a country, that we're not at all ready for what's ahead. But I know what the price is cause I pump it into my car. - Dave Winer
Yea. I am going to agree that this question/answer does not really equate to whether or not he knows that gas costs 4.00. It does however show that he is out of touch with what Americans are doing each day. The next time the SS is fueling up his car, McCain should get off the phone and pay attention to the people and the pump. - Sean Brady
I agree with Kenneth and Ken. It was a trick question. The question was what was the price of gas the last time you pumped it? McCain explained why he did not remember, since the secret service will not let him pump it. The question was not what is the price of gas now? If you have to distort and twist the meaning of questions and replies that is pretty sad. - Michael Tefft
Hey Dave, I know this is a bit of a cliche but why is there such an uproar over Gas prices in America? In Europe, particularly in Britain, we pay over 2.5 x as much as you do per gallon. Your gas is cheap, sir. - Mark
You can overcome the cocoon in which the Secret Service surrounds you. I'm sure President Bill Clinton knew the price of a Big Mac... - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Shades of King George Bush the First at the grocery check out - Michael VanDervort
Dave, since you obviously have blinders on I will reprint the question." When was the last time you pumped your own gas and how much did it cost?" Where does it say what's the price of gas TODAY? McCain explained that he had not pumped gas in a while due to security measures so he did not remember what the price of gas was the last time he pumped it. Try reading the article again without your obvious political bias. - Michael Tefft
Mark, the big issue is the rate of increase in the price of gas (in US dollars, which is how we pay for it). Gas costs twice as much now as it did in early August 2005. In late August 2005, I was shocked to pay $2.60; yesterday, I was pleased to pay $4.41. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
Does anybody have a link to the original column in the Orange County Register? I'd like to see the original before judging. - Leo Laporte
Hah! That's very clever. I didn't see that. But... The right answer, imho, is "I haven't pumped gas myself for a while since the Secret Service won't let me, but I do know that we're all paying over $4 a gallon today, and that's hurting a lot of people, now let me tell you what I plan to do about it..." followed by some pandering about a tax holiday. Anything else comes off as "Let them eat cake." - Dave Winer
That's simple... McCain is an idiot. He doesn't even know how to use a computer either! - Jeff McCord
Ontario Emperor: That's a good point actually, this surge in price has come to America over a couple of years. In Europe the high prices are the result of over a decade of gradual tax rises. Fair point. - Mark
Oil is going to hit $209 per barrel by Q1/08- this is the future market predications. No amount of pondering can change this.wheeling and dealing that is going on. Oils is the base commodity for War Machinery..now go figure !! - Peter Dawson
This is a result of the 80's. We deregulated the oil industry and banking. Now we have refined products that are way over the top and a banking industry that is in deep stuff. One of the major arguments at that time was that if we deregulated those areas, we would have the problems we have now. The chances of getting them fixed now....Zero! - Dave Rutter
That's right Peter. The CEO of an airline or car company would know the price of oil and gas at the pump, all grades, probably up to the minute. In many ways these guys are speculating on the price of oil. Okay cut the Prez a little slack, maybe he only needs to know the price of oil at the weekly or monthly level. Not knowing it at all, that's incompetent beyond belief. - Dave Winer
Mark, sir, it's because our economy is (somewhat foolishly) built on the assumption of cheap oil. Even we were smart we'd still have a problem. Look at the distances. How much oil do you burn getting from SF to NY vs London to Paris? There's no comparison. We *need* cheap oil not just cause we're lazy and didn't prepare, but also because of geography. - Dave Winer
I buy gas once a week and I barely know how much it is where I pump, much less the nationwide average. That said, being such a huge issue he should probably know it off the top of his head so he doesn't seem out of touch. BTW, I am an Obama supporter but I don't think McCain is an idiot. And I don't think it matters than an 80 year-old man doesn't know how to use a computer. Know many smart 50 year-olds who just don't care to learn. - Adam
Sorry Dave that is not clever, that is how the question was asked and how McCain answered it. If the reporter wanted to know if McCain knew what the price of gas was today why didn't he simply ask him. No, instead he couched it in terms that could easily be mis-interpreted , as the reporter obviously hoped it would be. BTW, hindsight is 20/20 - Michael Tefft
He's clearly not an idiot. He does this kind of interview well. Much better than when you put him behind a podium. - Dave Winer
BTW, each thread in FF is kind of like a mini-Twitter. - Dave Winer
I wish we had your kind of problems in Germany, where we pay $3.50 per liter (about a quarter of a gallon). *sigh* - Alexander Kucera
So, let me ask: How much is a gallon of gas? - Mike Lewis
To the people that question why Dave is McCain bashing.... being from a rather Republican minded family I can tell you my inbox is flooded daily with anti Obama mail, most of which can be quickly disproved with a visit to snopes.com. Yet these email quotes always come up in our Bar-B-Q political debates. I find it refreshing to find some anti McCain stories which are at least TRUE, that I can forward on. Although the question was phrased badly I think Dave is correct with his answer above. - Kevin Shannon
it doesnt matter to him he has donors to pay for it - Fuad Arshad
Even though I am a Obama supporter, I hate it when the press twists individuals statements. I am sure McCain knows the current average price for a gallon of gas, you cannot run for president and be an idiot at the same time. - Kyle DeFacis
We are actually paying around $3.89 on average for regular. I feel sorry for the poor truckers who are paying way over $4.00 a gallon for diesel. Have you seen how high food prices have gotten in Hawaii? People are actually being priced off the islands. - Michael Tefft
Just one example of how detached the leadership of this country is, and not exclusive to any one party. But really sad for someone running to be president, his people should tell him every morning the state of a massive issue facing the nation. - Tom Carroll
It's discouraging that McCain doesn't know the price of gas. (Splitting hairs that McCain was referencing the last time he pumped it is a s t r e t c h.) But here's the real problem. This is one of the most important issues for voters, so as a candidate for POTUS, McCain and his campaign should know this question is coming, is important, and know it cold. It shows a general lack of understanding, planning, vision and strategy - and THAT's the problem. - AJ Kohn
first of all, the straight talk express is retarded, but thats another matter. secondly, i agree with the aussie, its not about being out of touch 'last time i pumped' really doesn't matter. the crux of the matter is that we've been drunk on cheap fuel for years and consume way beyond our means. cheney's insane 'conservation is a virtue' is doubly quaint... - tommy payne
AJ. But he plainly wasn't asked that question. The reporter obviously stated the question in an intentionally misleading way. I wonder how many politicians in DC know how much gas costs. Do you think they pump their own gas? This was a survey of one, a real useful gage of McCain's grasp of the issues. - Michael Tefft
@davewiner said "The guy is lazy". Maybe not lazy, but tired. He could be napping in the limo. He often looks like he needs a nap, or just woke up from one. He is not passionate. When watching him speak I get the feeling he does not really care if he wins or not? Needs some V8. - OpenAllNight
Reading Comprehension FAIL... where's that new block feature so I'm not tempted to feed the trolls anymore? - David Knight
Hey David, what trolls are you referring too? Don't see any on this thread. - Michael Tefft
He said the same thing about computers, too. Sigh. - Robert Scoble
McCain's comment about not seeing that it matters, is just as bad as him not knowing the price. - Alex Hammer
I didn't see this earlier when I wrote my own post on McCain's comments. I think he knows the price of gas, or at least he knows that it's rising at a ridiculously high rate. That's not the outrageous part of what he said. The part that should piss every thinking voter off is that he doesn't have a clue as to what impact that has on normal people who have to deal with gas prices doubling in six months and the attendant price increases in other areas. Out of touch..that's the message. - Karoli
The problem comes in another, staggering set of government numbers. (Economists argue about the validity of using these numbers over long periods, but they capture the sorrow of the situation.) Get this, friends: from 1947 to about 1973 — from the days from the great Harry S. Truman to the great Richard M. Nixon — real hourly pay for nongovernment workers rose by about 40 percent. The peak year was the one before R.N. left for San Clemente in 1974. Since then, real wages both hourly and weekly for all nongovernment workers, on average, have fallen by about 5 percent, very roughly. As I see it, the problem is not the price of oil generally. (I think that the price will decline somewhat before long, but the long-term trend is very much up.) The problem is the stagnation of wages. - Will DeLuca
Wasn't McCain asked when he last filled up as opposed to the current price? Is it news to us that celebrities don't deal with day-to-day stuff the same way we do. I don't like it, but it's reality. He probably also doesn't cook for himself, pick out his own clothes or apply his own stage make-up. We don't orient campaigns to do-it-yourselfers. - tim
we are putting together a post on the responses and some additional thoughts today - please chime in on this one. some leading contenders: attribution, disclosure, transparency, crossing the line, lack of respect, dishonesty, black hat tactics, trolls - Chris Heuer
Tough call. Attribution is a problem for sure, but (sadly) lack of respect seems to be on the rise. Hope this is not too late
