What would the benefit be? So someone else does not buy them? I think they may be more productive and successful if they are independent. - Nick Dynice
Seems if Google makes it, it works brilliantly. If they buy it it sucks - YouTube being the exception. - Ciaoenrico
yes, strip linking will never be the same. - Todd Jordan
Not the rules; certainly the dynamics. - Amanda Chapel
I believe that just like TV, social media has changed the rules. When TV came along, companies were grappling to adapt their marketing campaigns targeted towards listen-only radio audience, we have the same issues here which will be resolved soon… teething problems as they say - Sachendra
A thorough, current list of 150+ categorized Twitter desktop & mobile applications, browser extensions & resource links for Twitter users, addicts, social media users & marketers to utilize. Yes, there are a lot already on the Web but a lot of the links are outdated & none of the newbie sites are on it! - ChaCha Fance via Bookmarklet
How do I edit the wiki to add my name to the list of attendees? It's asking for an invite key. - Hao Chen
Guess Memphis didn't make the cut! D'oh. - matt ceniceros
the tour coincides with Mashables Summer Tour which is why no Memphis. Social Media Club will be bringing more unconferences and social media workshops all around the country to a town near you over the next year... - Chris Heuer
A nicely balanced piece. My crystal ball is notoriously crappy, but I like the Twitter interface. But I'm trying to adapt. - Mike McCallister via NoiseRiver
I like the twitter interface as well, I wonder if we should invest in using the FF api to create a twitter-like interface - Steve Eichert
It's already been outdone by this site in terms of usefulness for the average person. - Jacob
Yes Tad, back in the good old days of phreaking - Ross Maguire
I remember these - I used to break these apart and look at the metal pieces inside them when I was "young" (I guess I was 8 then). I broke 3 of three of these phones and one big Radio thing. Good ol' days when I can break things and not get shouted at... - Yuvi
I can remember when this was all fields, far as the eye can see. Course, they don't make 'em like they used to. Kids today? Don't know they're born. OH MY GOD I'VE TURNED OLD!!! - Slippy Lane
The most demented thing I think I've seen yet. My parents actually still have two rotary phones at their house. The kids look at them and yell for help. - Cyndy
@Tad try being able to remember the old 1 long 2short ring crank phones :) when my parents first moved out of the city the small town we lived outside of still had its own local exchange and we had a party line phone - private line phones were horrendously expensive :) - Steven Hodson
RETRO FTW! childhood memories come flooding back... ahhhh! - Susan Beebe
looking forward to your conversations over here Leo. - Thomas Hawk
I like the idea of friendfeed - but the simplicity of twitter is its appeal. I wonder where Pownce and Jaiku will sit in this msg evolution - dann weatherhead
I have a feeling that this time things gonna better than the Jaiku move. - Du Senyao Peter
i havent been able to make the move - are there twitteriffic-like apps for FF as well? that would help my jump... - Andy Beach
I think twitter's UI is better and I wish there was something like twitterrific out there - maxim shevertalov via twhirl
This is funny, I just signed up for a twitter account. With what appears to be a mass exodus from twitter to other services, is there any point in me building up a network over there? - Eddy Cole
I want to make FF part of my routine, but it's just so damn cluttered -- plus I don't see any mobile integration yet. It's almost there, but it just needs a little more work to really take the Twitter throne - Noah Mittman
I remain a bit grumpyabout FF; I cannot shake the feeling that I am only here because Twitter failed me so many times. Anyway, here I am! - sage brennan via twhirl
The busy UI and lack of users put me off. Perhaps if it didn't try and link in with Twitter it would be easier to follow? - Oli from the-iBlog via fftogo
I have left twitter also, but now use Plurk. With the newly added search, I can find conversations about just about any topic. - Jon
I am really liking FF for conversations. I like Twitter for status/presence updates. Isn't that what is was designed for? Want to know where I am, and what I am having for lunch? Check Twitter. Want to know what I am interested in and reading? Check Friendfeed. - Sean Brady
Glad to see you over here in FF Leo!! welcome! BTW twitter pulled their own trigger - no guilt with that....just remorse - Susan Beebe
I sure wish one of you ex-TechTV guys would "direct me" - lol - JackRyanBauer via twhirl
If Twitter had a closed beta to better manage scaleability, but at a const of having a large user base, would it be as big as it is? - maxim shevertalov via twhirl
Is that it Leo you are off Twitter ? , ok kids grab the life jackets - NA76
Leo, what is your preferred way of FriendFeeding? Post once via Twitter and resume the conversation via FF or some other way? - Alexander Kucera
Leo, you are so fickle! I think you have TADD...Technology Attention Deficit Disorder. :) - BISQ
I'm trying that move too. A lot of info to sort so far - Michael Leis via twhirl
Leo, I violently agree. I think reliability is the killer asset. - shelisrael1
I've done the same. Twitter is dead to me. LOL :P - Grant Gochnauer
I just created a FF account too. It's a shame. I love Twitter. - Matthew Vaughan
I don't get the big Hoopla. FriendFeed is a Commenting System and a Medium to get Content on. Twitter is a Messaging system. Sure you can (pressed enter here accidentally) 'switch over', but really, Twitter could be thought to be something completely different than friendfeed - Chacha via twhirl
I'd like to see more of my twitter friends using a "lifestream" commenting system like FF, or see Twitter turn reliable and then add a better threading system for replies.. but until someone gets their act together I am happy using something that has the capability to do very similar things. So I'm happy to be caught up in the current migration toward a meme that works. Update: and one that is editable;-) - Curtis Cross via twhirl
i had to disconnect for a few months due to family health issues , missed it , but Im back on it now , friendfeed seems to be the "watercooler" now - fotographic
Eddy Cole, the services are completely different. Try them both out. Many people, myself included, use both services. For some reason people want to make this a contest between Twitter and FF. - Mike Doeff
@Mike thats what I've been trying to say, Twitter is a messaging service, FF is a Aggregator/Commentor. Very, Very Different - Chacha via twhirl
thanks Graham - I had no idea twhirl support FF as well! - Andy Beach
@Mike, thanks. I'll give both a shot and see what happens. - Eddy Cole
Chacha, totally agree. Baffles me why people continue to compare apples to oranges on this. This blog post is worth reading... http://www.winextra.com/2008/0... - Mike Doeff
I am in the conversion process. And actually what it seems is that you don't have to abandon twitter, FF will just post for you - Edward
I found myself doing this a couple weeks ago. Every time I wanted to go to twitter it was down, so I just started using ping.fm to post, and following all my feeds of FF. I agree with the ease of conversation on FF. - Melissa Goetsch
thanks for turning me on to friend feed Leo, can't handle the way Twitter goes down all the time anymore... - David
I still using both but FriendFeed is more interesting to follow and comment on. - Judy Jones
FF definitely has some nice advantages over Twitter (or probably more over Jaiku for that matter) which people with tons of scattered content can benefit from. On the other hand there are still tons of features I'd love to see added here (esp. on an API level). In the meantime, FF just has to hit the web-mainstream ;-) - Horst Gutmann
I would like FF a lot more if it pulled in my friends from other services. As of right now, all it really seems to do is aggregate my lifestream. I'm too lazy to manually add each rss feed to FF, and there's no way my friends are going to sign up for FF, after it was a giant PITA to get them to sign up for twitter. - Austin Brown
Is there an iPhone client for FriendFeed? I do alot of messaging on the go. - Robert Hafer via twhirl
you have inspired me to check out FF too .. so far - I likey! Thanks Leo! - Jenz
"but lends itself better to conversation.” could you quantify with your own experience as to what it means "Bettter conversation" ? We first had blogs /RSS , twitter , wownce which all seems to raise the bar on the converational index.. but what do you mean "better to conversation" wrt to FF ? - Peter Dawson
On Leo! One! Chaud devant! --french people will understand ;-) - directeur via NoiseRiver
@Austin That is what imaginary friends option in FF is for. You can add most of the services. There are several guides, linked to in this very thread and others available by googling that give you the info you need to set it up so they can have the freedom of using twitter, etc... and let you have the option of moving.. It doesn't have to be a competition between FF and Twitter. But if you are tired of all the loss of function, and downtime of twitter as I think most of us are.. going FF broadens your options to something that at present is useful to you;-) - Curtis Cross via twhirl
Yep just found someone I follow on FF, don't on Twitter, and I thought, what's the point of following them on Tw? 8-\ - Brian Carter
@Brian Carter was that person me ;) ? I think this weekend showed how friend feed can fill the void of being connected and following the thoughts of those who we have grown to trust online. Since then, I have noticed that the traffic on twitter (at least for me) has gone down significantly by the people I was following and didn't really know in person or know well. My inner circle are still using twitter and the mobile factor is still huge. The real question is can I still be active on FF while at work. - Andrea Baker
Reasons desktop app for friendfeed is not as usable as webpage: 1. usually quicker to navigate high volume on web page. 2. desktop app will surely be chasing new functionality (i.e. retwitter comment feature on FF web but not in twhirl). - Boris Gordon via twhirl
hey Leo, you should try Friendfeed in Twhirl, just click on the Twhirl logo and add Friendfeed as a new account, already 5% of all the comments there - Loic Le Meur
we are putting together a post on the responses and some additional thoughts today - please chime in on this one. some leading contenders: attribution, disclosure, transparency, crossing the line, lack of respect, dishonesty, black hat tactics, trolls - Chris Heuer
Tough call. Attribution is a problem for sure, but (sadly) lack of respect seems to be on the rise. Hope this is not too late to be useful.... - Abby Martin
Not impressed with Plurk. I'll stay here on FriendFeed - Chris Rodgers
Friendfeed may not be a straight across option but I use it mainly now since I usually like to join discussions on issues or topics. Also don't have time to just say.. Running out the door or writting an email. Function is my preference and FF does that in spades comparably. - Roger Kondrat
Plurk never impressed me at all. If Karma didn't exist in Plurk, it'd be a very weak service. - Ryne Nelson
Go enjoy the ocean w/your dog! Fresh ocean air on a nice day can't be beat. - Carmen via Alert Thingy
Richard - I think the fact that my dog likes me says a lot about me. :-) - michael arrington
Michael - I've met your dog. She likes everybody. :) - Richard
As Bill Clinton, or someone, once said: "I'm trying to be the person my dog thinks I am" - Chris Nuttall
I'm with you there. I think I'm enervated from the smoke and haze we've had all week in California from the brush fires. I feel like an old man. I turned off the cameras and went home. - Leo Laporte
Don't blog, take pictures of the dog and send them here via mail2ff.com - Robert Seidman via NoiseRiver
This is why you'll never make it in the industry, Arrington - john conroy
It's good to get Shel's perspective on this whole thing. - Thomas Hawk
I wrote my thoughts on the most recent shel israel video here: http://www.1938media.com/shel-... I was attacked by all the trolls on Loren's site. I think more people need to voice their feelings to Loren's sponsors, eg Zong, Cnet, etc. If all Loren's key partners get a lot of complaints, Loren may rethink his strategy - Adrian Bye
I was wondering why Dan and CNet thought this a good fit, but hey that's their call. - Mark Forman
Well, I just put a link to Shel's article on Scripting News. I don't normally ask people to link to things but this is one of those times -- link to Shel's article let's make sure that all of TechCrunch's sponsors find out what's going on. I've had enough of this. I can't believe all the people that are dirty here, and I don't understand what for. If there were some embezzlement or fraud it might make sense. But to destroy one harmless person? This is ridiculous. What the fuck is TechCrunch's CEO doing? - Dave Winer
I'm not sure about edgy, but like it's new parent CBS, scrambling to attract "younger viewer demographics" - Robert Seidman
Dave, the PTC is trying to knock "Swingtown" off the air, Loren would be small potatoes relatively speaking. - Robert Seidman
I just sent an email to Dan Farber. I've known him for 25 years. He's always been a good guy. - Dave Winer
what Dan Farber's email ? I would like to tell him that I dont support Loren's pranks no more. It was fun while it lasted. - Peter Dawson
I got an email through to David Marcus, the CEO of Zong. Zong is the sponsor of the "shel israel puppet" show. His blog is here: http://www.davidmarcus.net/ - Adrian Bye
wow, this is really starting to heat up. - Thomas Hawk
I just had a long phone talk with Mike Arrington about this and other topics. I'm not going to post any more on this until I've had a chance to think a bit about it. - Dave Winer
When the dude said he did not like it, that's when it stopped being funny. Which was a long time ago. There's really not that much to think about beyond that. Stop. No. I don't like it. Pretty hard to misinterpret. - IRWebReport.com
I understand the notion of feeling attacked, but all industries deserved to be skewered. In fact it's a duty I think. Puppets are a great platform for this, and Loren is essentially satirizing an industry that, while it produces amazing things, can take itself too seriously. I think he is welcome until he's unwelcome. Such is life. - Seamus Condron
I think Loren is doing a major public service with his puppets. They are funny and poke fun in great ways. But if a guy is losing key parts of his business, then its a different story. That is hurting him and his family. Dave, I really look forward to hearing your thoughts. Perhaps there's an inside story we are not aware of. - Adrian Bye
looking forward to hearing your thoughts after your conversation with Mike Dave. If it changes your thinking on this I'd be seriously interested in why. Obviously something Mike said had an impact on how you feel about this now or you wouldn't be taking the time away to think about it. I hope you can share what he said to you with the rest of us. - Thomas Hawk
No he didn't scare me. Geez. And my sympathy for Shel will not change either. I encouraged Mike to help him. Obviously that's his decision. - Dave Winer
Dave, you seemed to be escalating this campaign to go after Loren's advertisers/sponsors. I'm not saying that is the right or wrong thing to do, I'm just curious what Mike said and how it may have changed how you think about the situation. - Thomas Hawk
Quit clogging up my FriendFeed whining about Arrington! Where is the remove friend button. - Granteezy
Just a note: I don't know how this translates in English, but french people say: "Le linge sale se lave en famille". - directeur
Welcome to the interwebs-where "dead horses" are resurrected only to be kicked again. - Mark Forman
Just used the FriendFeed block command for the first time. It's every bit as good as Twitter's. "Nick" need not worry about his FF getting clogged with whining. :-) - Dave Winer
My French is horrible directeur, but I think the loose translation would be "Don't air your dirty laundry in public" - Robert Seidman
Just wanted to say by that, that involving the crowd we are in such things just give them more importance (than they deserve?) and maybe can harm too. IMO it's always wiser to filter, jauge and ponder things calmely first. The web is such a mess... take something, push it through an amplifier and the result will be bigger than the original - directeur
Directeur-And you don't think many of the people involved in this discussion are aware of that and doing it for that reason? - Mark Forman
I am not a fan of Loren's but I believe he is doing a performance more then a personal attack - both of their attention meters have gone up as a result, which is Lorens real goal/purpose (for himself obviously). I disagree with a lot of what has been said but have not wanted to bring more attention to the whole situation so have remained quiet, hoping Loren would grow tired and this would end sooner. If there are real damages here, they wont be resolved in the court of public opinion... - Chris Heuer
With all due respect Chris, passing judgment is easy when you are not caught at the receiving end. Lets see what will happen when you are at the receiving end of something similar and scares away your sponsors. I think public opinion counts here. - Vic Podcaster
In cases of bullying, the best remedy is one that comes from peers. People in the crowd observing have to step forward and say it is not right. Just reciting from the manuals on schoolyard bullying, which is ironic given the ages of those involved. - IRWebReport.com via twhirl
I've met Loren several times and he's a very personable guy. I had an exchange of emails with Shel three years ago that were extremely ugly. When Loren made the first puppet video I don't think he had any idea it would take off as it did. After working in PR for so many years Shel should have know better then to write that blog post. Shel needs to contact Loren and ask to be interviewed by his namesake puppet so he can laugh at himself and we can see that he isn't such a bad guy after all. - paul mooney
As an interesting side-note, before the puppet I had no idea who Shel was. Since then I've added his RSS feed. I'm having trouble that believing this publicity has been bad for his site's pageviews. - Andrew Burd
wow...is it just me or does that seem rude? I mean I'm all about social media and live and realtime but when it comes at the expense of people who are actually there... - Crystal
