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The first H1N1 case at Abby's school was reported last week. Now she's sick. Mom's taking her temperature now.
oh my ! hope she is fine ... do keep us posted ...
- john
from Alert Thingy
Sorry to hear that. Do hope she is okay.
- Richard Bitting
Sorry to double post... but may want to cover UK doing H1N1 diagnosis online, tick right boxes... free tamiflu... (also NHS is good, not like lies on US TV)
- Chris Lloyd
the cases of baconfever have halved in the last week in the Uk
- James Tenniswood
Sorry, to heard, that, I work for Kaiser Permanente, we are ready.
- james
Remember the best defense against lots of diseases; WASH your hands w/hot soapy water regularly.
- shelter watch
the latest advice in england seems to be that tamiflu is not needed if its a healthy person getting the flu http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
- Mark
Hope everything is Ok
- Billy Delawder
Well with the new ObamaCare Im sure she would be seen by a doctor right away. Unlike the long wait times we have now...... ya right.
- John Hillestad
Yes, we've had two deaths now here in the Stockton area. A 5 yr. old boy just this week.
- D Lets
I wish her a fast recovery!
- Jorge Ortiz
Hope she recovers soon!
- Luca Zorzi
you dont need to see a doctor if you have swine flu unless you are pregnant, have underlying health conditions, etc
- Mark
I wish her a fast and full recovery. My son had it, too. It's a nasty infection and very dangerous.
- Don Smith
I should point out the vast majority of people who get this will experience mild symptoms which will pass in 2-4 days. For most people it will feel like a bad cold.
- Mark
Movie Monsters Size Comparison Chart - http://www.firstshowing.net/2009...
2Picture, Felicia Yue, Kevin J Hatton and 75 other people liked this
Includes Chucky, T-Rex, Stay Puff marshmallow man from Ghostbusters and the Cloverfield monster
- Jess Lee
from Bookmarklet
Chart is woefully incomplete without reference to Aliens (especially the queen) or Predator
- LANjackal
The scientific accuracy of this chart is questionable. It looks like the Megatron silhouette is from the Transformer's cartoon. The 50 foot woman is crouching. And the line from Ghostbusters is "killed by a 100-foot marshmallow", which presumably doesn't include the hat.
- Andy Bakun
In my head they were totally the wrong way around! I think they just got bigger the smaller I was!
- Chris Lloyd
And who said size doesn't matter?
- James Kuypers
Craigslist is progress - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Jim Graham, Bill Kinney and Jesse Hattabaugh liked this
But as the number of classifieds increase (as a result of the cost decreasing and the availability increasing) doesn't the value of each classified decrease? Surely each advert is seen by less people... I'm not sure if more is such a good thing, and therefore shouldn't be compared with farming
- Chris Lloyd
But doesn't the addition of search increase the potential number of viewers an ad has? I'd think that a search on CL for an item brings up many more ads in a shorter period of time than I could find by scanning classifieds in the newspaper.
- Joe Bonner
Google Reader's shared item feeds now has a real URL. Here's mine: http://www.google.com/reader... -- more RSS ahead!
Daniel Rowley, Tanath, Peter and 40 other people liked this
How to get it ?
- Jigar Mehta
And here's mine: http://www.google.com/reader... :)
- George Tziralis
Ok, I got it.. http://www.google.com/reader... is the page where you set the URL. Late but nice feature!
- Jigar Mehta
This new features is cool, but do you guys no what is now the difference betweet "share" and "like" on google reader ?
- Nicolas Gosset
I tried to replace my reader link in FF and found that FF is parsing for the old link format (http://www.google.com/reader...<user number>).
- Tom Horn
Here's mine: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Diego Barros
Here is mine: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Svartling
Trying 2 find my URL...BRB...
- CarolAnnB
http://www.google.com/reader... - CarolAnnB now on Google Reader
- CarolAnnB
This is not a new feature. Its been there all along. I chose my name long long ago..You might want to check on your sources..
- Rohit
Rohit - Are you referring to Google Profile url's? This is new for Google Reader.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Well sure, but this plus likes, following, etc is new for Google Reader.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
What about Google ads on this page?
- Kris
I got mine http://www.google.com/reader... ;)
- Nicholas James
no Kevin. I know the difference between my profile address and the shared reader page address.
- Rohit
My shared items URL: http://www.google.com/reader... - take a look.
- Liza
Robert - deja vu, but I thought this was available a month or so ago??? Here's mine: http://www.google.com/reader... - NOW, can we pls discuss Google's unfriendly Friend Connect. It is a bear to install, except on Blogger, as you have mentioned in the past.
- Liza
scherbi's shared items: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Bill Scherer
Awesome! Finally! http://www.google.com/reader...
- Chris Abraham
http://www.google.com/reader... just so you know
- Paul Greer
Mines just engadget mainly... I wont share...
- Chris Lloyd
Hoping to get mored shared items. http://www.google.com/reader...
- Amir
Isn't anyone else concerned that this gives away your gmail account address? That is, if your custom reader url is http://www.google.com/reader..., then your gmail address is necessarily someperson@gmail.com. That's why I didn't enable this in Google Profile before. Even though Google's spam filter if super, I'm not wanting to attract more spam. Am I being overly cautious here?
- Chris Spizzirri
Naw, I am a complete whore, @cspizz
- Chris Abraham
Wish it was shorter. Here's mine, though: http://www.google.com/reader...
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
My soul hurts. Hard to explain. Do you know that feeling, or am I just a hippie?
Ken Morley, LJF Wolffe, John (a.k.a. dendroica) and 5 other people liked this
:(
- chaz2b
sometimes i do feel like that
- Henysie
I usually treat that feeling with chocolate, coffee, and smooth jazz. I'm not known to be a hippie.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
yeah i hear ya, i think my soul speaks to me. and i don't feel like a hippie
- lee collins
yep big time sometimes-your current Tech is gr8 by the way) take care!
- Glenn Collins
Too bad they don't make Tylenol for the soul - or does copious wine count? Hope the hurt stops soon for ya...
- Thomas
happens to us all ... never fun.
- Jeff
thanks guys. i ended up sleeping about 12 hrs last night. feeling slow and groggy today, but I guess I was sleep-deprived and feeling weak when i wrote that. we'll see how things go today. :)
- Sarah Lane
That's more a dopamine than a "soul" issue.
- Christopher A Carr
I know exactly how you feel Sarah hope you get better fast
- Robert Burgin
Made me think of Aimee Mann's "I know there's a word" http://blip.fm/profile...
- Donald Forth
Yes, I do know the feeling well. Music usually helps, and one surefire way to help is to give service to someone else in need. It always works.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Sarah your far from a Hippie.
- Matt Ruiz
Christopher, believe me, it's a soul issue. ;) I think I was just worn down enough to say it out loud last night.
- Sarah Lane
I tend to think if it's bad enough to say out loud then it's not something that can be solved though conventional means. but I may just suppress things to much...
- Chris Lloyd
If your soul hurts, then your inner hippie is well in tact... There is nothing wrong with being a hippie!
- Greg Layman
How graffitti artists get their start (bad parenting): - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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Brandon Titus, Michelle Martinez, Mark Essel and 15 other people liked this
Look away for a couple of minutes and what do we discover Milan doing? Naughty boy. But we are ahead of him. Washable crayons rock.
- Robert Scoble
It's a gift!
- Jim Connolly
Nice I remember those days
- Robert Burgin
One of my favorite wishes from a friend when my 1st son was born was, "May he be a wall writer". He is ... it is a gift.
- Don Strickland
hey, good tip! although...I do appreciate kids going creative, even if re-painting costs a bit...at least they are creative;)
- Sylwia Presley
Be sure he knows how much you love his work.
- Don Strickland
I am convinced babies are cute so you don't do them harm.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Encourage creativity as much as you can - Schools start killing it off at a certain point.
- PXLated
I did that on the bottom of my cabin bed, I got slapped upteen times when I was found out... still fun to look at it now though!
- Chris Lloyd
Robert, why don't you see if you can join Twit, he only has two guests, Kevin Rose and Dwight Silverman
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen it is too nice in HMB today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I understand, its unbelievable here today too, like spring
- Stephen Pickering
Definitely the kinda guy who will want to paint his own room. I say let him at it (once he's old enough)
- Mark Essel
Bob Brinker is using the false argument that wages shouldn't be high for certain individuals like police or teachers because they chose that profession. The fact that people choose a profession has nothing to do with the need for that profession. The fact is that police in Oakland should be getting a higher wage than police nationally.
Robert Burgin liked this
Oakland is more expensive (much more expensive) to live in than the national average and it can be well argued that it's a much more dangerous city to police than the national average. Therefore in order to attract qualified officers, the city of Oakland MUST pay more.
- Alex Scoble
I don't know this Bob Brinker , but what does choosing your profession have to do with how much you get paid. If there is high demand for qualified police and teacher then they should get paid well.
- Kim Landwehr
It is also a false argument that it is OK that necessary professions are underfunded because people choose to enter in to those professions. Just about everyone "chooses" their career. This should have no bearing on whether you are high paid or not...like Kim just said.
- Alex Scoble
He's an economy/investing guy on KGO.
- Alex Scoble
Wouldn't more and better qualified people choose those professions if they paid more?
- Shannon Jiménez
Exactly, Shannon.
- Alex Scoble
Generally salaries follow by supply and demand. If there are a lot of people who want to be cops, wages will be low.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Quality is also an ingredient to salaries...It doesn't matter if a lot of people want to be cops if only a few of those are qualified to do the job. Astronaut is a good example of this type of profession. Quality requirements limit your available supply.
- Alex Scoble
I think it is a shame anyone should think people we trust with our safety and in the case of a teacher trust with our most precious thing our children shouldn't be paid as well as they should be, they are far far underpaid imho
- Robert Burgin
This was brought home to me on the isle of man, as all police officers are paid the same in the UK, I was on the isle of man (an island 20 min plane journey from the mainland) and they were talking on the radio how everyone wanted to join the firearms squad... why? because there had been one offence involving firearms in 3 years.... This seems unfair that this job carries the same pay as a mainland city...
- Chris Lloyd
And that's the problem with unionized systems...it rewards everyone the same so there's no inducement to take on the messier jobs or work harder
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Touchdown, New York! http://ihnatko.posterous.com/touchdo...
Enjoyed it? I couldn't gauge from the communication, seemed 1/2 good 1/2 bad!
- Chris Lloyd
Photography Inspiration: 100 Remarkable HDR Pictures - http://iniwoo.net/inspira...
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Gorgeous!
- Kevin Winn
Some of the best HDRs I've ever seen.
- Chris Lloyd
Amazon: We Won’t Remotely Delete Books Again - http://mashable.com/2009...
Brian, G. Sigh, Mitch Baldwin and 12 other people liked this
These books were added to our catalog using our self-service platform by a third-party who did not have the rights to the books…When we were notified of this by the rights holder, we removed the illegal copies from our systems and from customers’ devices, and refunded customers….We are changing our systems so that in the future we will not remove books from customers’ devices in these circumstances.
- Leo Laporte
Good! Sounds like they learned their lesson! This action was no different than if Amazon had gone and broken into my house, taken two books off of my shelf and left cash in their place. It constitutes breaking and entering and theft, regardless of what their TOS said this was just wrong.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Well the biggest mistake with this whole situation is that all the issues that were present with DRM riddled music stores are now rearing their ugly head with the kindle. Amazon need to do more that just saying "we won't do it again", the problem is that they CAN do it.
- Chris Lloyd
Amazon could come to my house and give me money for my books. I'M BROKE
- Tom Barton
Just left the bootleg supermarket at Ladies Street...where I bought a damned convincing fake iPhone for $62.
Bryce Campbell liked this
Can't wait for the review!
- Chris Lloyd
Gizmodo - Ferris Bueller's Ferrari House Now For Sale - ferris bueller - http://gizmodo.com/5270778...
Amiroo ™ liked this
Wow. I really want, it's a bit of cult history!
- Chris Lloyd
from Bookmarklet
Is there a trick to getting this drop down menu from the search field? It appears when it wants to for me...
Nicholas James, Byron McCollum, Chris Luckhardt and 5 other people liked this
Either wait as it comes eventually or hit the down arrow over and over.;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Zee, yes it's very slow sometimes. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah, thats what i figured ... it's gotta be a bug
- Zee.
Whatever it runs on needs to be optimised, if not already. What browser are you using, Zee? I'm on Chrome and it's slow a lot of the time.
- Kol Tregaskes
safari
- Zee.
Mine is immediate, I'm using Safari 4 Beta with the latest webkit build, works really well!
- Chris Lloyd
how do you install the latest webkit build Chris? Because i'm using Safari 4 beta myself on the mac
- Zee.
http://webkit.org/ Then just download the mac dmg, you will get another browser called "webkit" which is identical to safari, but uses the latest webkit engine, beware, it is a nightly build, so things could go wrong (I've never had problems), but it can get tiresome with non-mandatory automatic updates every 48 hours or so.
- Chris Lloyd
hit ctrl-alt-del followed by alt+f4, spin around in your chair twice, visit centernetworks, click an ad, then it will work - guaraaaaaaaaaanteed!
- Allen Stern
LOL @Allen.
- Zee.
@Chris oh right, sorry - i'm getting confused
- Zee.
Chrome on windows here ... sometimes it pops down quick for me, sometimes it doesn't pop down. I've never seen it pop down after a delay. Never had a problem with it on the ff homepage.
- Chris Heath
any updates on this FF team? i still have issues unless i'm using firefox
- Zee.
Hi Zee, sorry for this. We'll add it to our bugs list.
- Ana
now you have Chrome came to Mac ...and FF team, when looking at slow dropdown menu, COULD you also make it bigger/longer? ..thanks :] ...apropos, could you roll down actually one or too more dropdowns, simultaneously, optionally, with live Google, Yahoo, and Bing searches?, that'd be 3 boxes drop down .. or, at least, search Google /g as a line in our original drop? .. lets do it. if you wanted to be the beffst outthere !:] === ok. this way - shortcut // opens 2 drops, /// opens them 3 .. do you agree ? :]
- Petr Buben
If you have lots of subscriptions, its going to be slow.
- Byron McCollum
When trying to get your real-life friends on (and then active on) Friendfeed, what have you found to be the most convincing/successful sells?
Eric Johnson, Hans-Juergen Koch, jnman and 8 other people liked this
Cash.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Porn
- CW™
DMs.
- Kol Tregaskes
Tacos
- Christopher Harley
bacon and Lego.
- imabonehead
I haz friends?
- CAJ, somewhere else
I don't have real-life friends
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I've found, first say that it incorporates twitter, so they can return if necessary (Gets them on the service), then I show them commenting and the likes system, I say that it enables you to share likes easily, then if they're tech savvy enough to understand I explain the different feeds. Even tiny features like automatically showing pictures in feeds seems to attract people!
- Chris Lloyd
Honestly, I don't think I want my real-life friends on FF. They're not as interesting. :)
- Bill Bittner
from twhirl
Sadly, I stoppped trying to convince them. I think the first step for them is to use a normal feed agregator and begin to take a real interest in technology/social media
- Stanislas Jourdan
I have found it almost impossible to convince people to start using FriendFeed who are not using Twitter or other similar microblog systems in the first place. Or I'm am not a good "sales person" ;) Normal in real life friends who only use Facebook never gets any interest in FriendFeed, from my experience. None of their other friends are using the service so to them it is completely...
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- Jesper Lind
Complete control over ... ugh ..... everything!
- Charlie Anzman
agree with Jesper and Stanislas; people need feel there are benefits to sharing media in a rich, engaging way, people need to understand the benefits of having content fed to them rather than fetching it, and people need to allow for a public instance of themselves - I find FF appeals easily to those who already have multiple streams of shared media; encouraging them to aggregate it in one place is an easy sell
- Franz Sittampalam
a) "This Week’s New Yorker Cover, Brought to You by the iPhone" or b) "This week’s New Yorker cover, brought to you by the iPhone"
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Most of the web's most popular blogs write titles using capitals for nearly all the larger words in the post title. Technically, it's incorrect - but what you prefer as a reader? A or B?
- Zee.
I like the version with capitals a)
- Chris Lloyd
My personal preference is either every word gets first caps or just the first word (old skool typesetting training).
- Johnny Worthington
I prefer without capitals and write my blog post headlines without. I've never thought that people might prefer them 'with' - it just looks more 'noisy' with capitals.
- Martin Bryant
For titles I like the all caps font, where the letters that are actually capitalized are just larger.
- Chris Heath
Capital B).
- Ton Zijp
If the NYT can do (a) for its headlines, I will too. Unless I forget.
- Andrew C
lol +1 Andrew
- Zee.
Definitely b). The first one is noisy and unnecessary, and mostly just seen in US media AFAICT.
- Thomas Bøhm
definitely b)
- TrafficBug
In this case I'd say B. But it depends on a lot of factors. If you have a short title that needs emphasis I like A sometimes. It all depends on how 'poetic' the title is really...
- Boris
Tagline should really be "written on my iPhone" ;-)
- Vincent van Wylick
My friendfeed stats: http://www.feedstats.info/scoblei... Interesting what I'm learning there. profitbaron is most like me, it says.
Daniel Rowley, Julia, Ryo / Fuck Facebook and 32 other people liked this
I got profitbaron aswell... hmmm?
- Chris Lloyd
http://friendfeed.com/profitb... is my most like compatible person.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, I get it, he likes the same things I do. Cool, not sure how useful that is, but I now have someone else I want to have a beer with. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It seems it doesn't take into account that some followers may like you and your likes "blindly". The Like compatibility index may loses its interest, and they should add a stat that exclude your followers.
- Jérôme Flipo
DannyRowley likes my stuff the most.
- Robert Scoble
Those "docile followers" (I don't know for profitbaron) may look for visibility. If they're fast enough, they can appear alone, below most of your entries and likes.
- Jérôme Flipo
FF needs a "Dislike" button. That would make the analytics more interesting :)
- Mike Bracco
I got scared that I had a secret stalker who never interacted with me, as some guy "itblogger" kept showing up in my stats. Luckily, it's Alex.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert this could also be based on the fact that you both have 20+k subscriptions.
- Carlos Ayala
I like the fact that there's little overlap between Robert's top 10 and like compatibility index and mine. :)
- Alex Scoble
Profitbaron is an aggressive liker. He was #1 for me as well.
- Louis Gray
i would have never guessed robert averaged 2.6 posts per day. but i guess most of the content that is shared is him liking or sharing other people's content and news?
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I was surprised to see profit baron was in #2 spot on my Like Compatibility stat too.
- Micah Wittman
I got them in my 2nd as well, and i've never seen them before
- Simon Wicks
I wish we could compare people - what do you like/use vs what I do.
- Steve Rubel
I guess I don't quite get it...why am I on the Top 10?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
It'd be amazing to see some sort of map showing the links between people. You could choose to see the links of people say 4 friends remved. Would be very interesting
- Chris Lloyd
This was interesting and I think there are a lot of ways it doesn't show the value it might otherwise. kencamp likes my stuff the most. Well...duh! He sits next to me 24/7 and knows when I post and what I post. It makes perfect sense! I see common names like Louis Gray, DannyRowley. Well Danny Rowley is listed for me as top of top 10. Louis Gray apparently doesn't like me at all. And in...
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- Sheryl
Sheryl, it's hard to like your content if we don't follow each other, right? Should that change?
- Louis Gray
Kol is most like me, but that may be because I read a lot without commenting.
- Heather
When you present multiple graphs, with same independent variable (usernames) and differenet independent variables (most likes, most comments, compatibility indexes) you ALWAYS carry the same color/texture/shade/scent for the independent variable from graph to graph. If Tina is Red in the first graph, she should be red on all the other graphs. Data presentation day 1 here.
- Matthew DeVries
Chris: yes, the "7 Degrees of Robert Scoble" would be quite the hit
- Mark Bockenstedt
Robert - Hey, it looks like I lost my # 1 spot as person who likes you the most on FF ! Now, I am only in the # 3 spot. See your previous FF Stats post over here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... "ProfitBaron" was a surprise discovery for me as well (confession: never heard of of him till now?! He goes by Nicholas James, so maybe that's why I was confused at first).
- Susan Beebe
Louis, I was speaking rather facetiously as I saw your name come up several times in other peoples lists. I don't know if we should follow each other or not. I think I'm a pretty nice person. I also like conversation and on occasion may even say something almost profound. What about you? :)
- Sheryl
Weird. How did I end up on your list
- Rodfather
Profitbaron seems to be most like everybody. You were #7 in my matches.
- Karoli
Not me :)
- Rodfather
Wow, no one uses Google Reader any more O_O http://www.feedstats.info/bwana
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I use it, but I prefer to send links to FF with the bookmarklet.
- Michael McKean
That's funny. A lot of people on Bwana's most comments list are those who participate in the NBA Playoff threads.
- Rodfather
Rodfather :) Those threads are EPIC!
- Bwana ☠
I'm wondering that I do not appear on the list of people you like the most posts of you O.O. It seems that some guys have a "Like Scoble's Postings Bot" :)
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
BBC NEWS New rate for music digital stream - Finally a reasonable rate for UK music Streaming! - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
Will hopefully bring back YouTube and Pandora!
- Chris Lloyd
from Bookmarklet
Which person is making biggest contributions to the 2010Web? I'm making a list, see it here:
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Here's the list: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... I need your help in improving it! How did I make this list? I scoured my business cards and my contact list and we brainstormed and came up with this list of 325 people. It's just a starting point.
- Robert Scoble
The green lines, by the way, are people who are on friendfeed. That tells me whether they are really exploring the 2010web or not.
- Robert Scoble
Got any other people who should be on this list? Let me know here.
- Robert Scoble
Over the next few days this list will get dramatically longer and better.
- Robert Scoble
*waving* hey Robert. have you met Xiao Fengjin? Founder of Linkool Labs behind the Juice app. http://www.linkool.biz/ and her Twitter http://twitter.com/xiaofengjin -- try not to base opinion to heavily on FriendFeed use. You'll miss out on some cool folks overseas not using it. :)
- So Much More Hawaii
Some on this list are journalists/bloggers. Some are very techie/developers. Some are marketers. Some are VCs. Some are entrepreneurs. Some are CEOs. Some are researchers. Some are power users who are pushing the web in interesting ways. I am looking to build a diverse group of people who are pushing the 2010web forward.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know exactly who are the folks who are doing it - but the people who are making the great "detect your browser and if a mobile browser, show a well made, fully functional but mobile browser friendly version of the site" (see Gawker's site on an iphone for example) are among those making a big impact on the 2010 web
- Shannon Clark
I suspect the people who will are not on the list yet - they are in china, india, or perhaps south africa or denmark and not on the Anglo Saxon radar
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So Much More Hawaii: I agree. I'm off to look through my Twitter and Facebook lists next. Joelle: that's why I'm asking here, so the list gets better.
- Robert Scoble
Good point by Shannon - fixing what's there might be a bigger impact, but it will never be recognised as such.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
But everyone on this list will eventually be on friendfeed. Why? Because I'm building a private group to discuss some stuff with them. That'll help us all eventually.
- Robert Scoble
*ack* that was me Robert. So Much More Hawaii aka Christine Lu. (i'm in Hawaii this week for Hawaii Tourism Authority) :D -- anyways, previous comment still stands. Go through all the folks you met in China last year. oh and the Poken folks. they're up to cool stuff beyond what they have on the market right now.
- Christine Lu
Robert, send you a request to add some people in mobile 2.0 area.
- Rudy De Waele
Rudy, names, we want names! Heheh. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
not directly the 2010 web persay, but I think what companies such as Barco are doing at the very highest levels of display technology (their LED screens were used, some 2000 sq. meters of in fact, for the amazing Eurovision set in Moscow) will have a huge impact in years to come on what we all use for our displays. If display resolutions finally start to really rise (on average) that will impact the web considerably
- Shannon Clark
I'm mostly familiar with developers, since that's my profession, so I'd add: Damien Katz (developer on CouchDB), Terry Jones (founder of FluidInfo), James Tauber (creator of the Pinax Project), Brian Aker (developer on Drizzle), Mikio Hirabayashi (developer at Mixi.jp), John Resig (wrote jQuery), Malcolm Tredinnick (probably the most active Django developer). There are definitely more but that's off the top of my head.
- Eric Florenzano
Marco Derksen - (founder of marketingfacts.nl, www.upstream.nl), Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten (Next Web, Wakoopa),
- Erno Hannink
You should put there tarpipe folks...
- Marcos Marado
@robert add Lars Hinrichs, founder of XING http://www.xing.com, the only web 2.0 company to successfully IPO. http://www.reuters.com/finance... -- He's likely to be starting something new in 2010.
- Jason Goldberg
Wouldn't it make sense to start out with less people then increase until you find your getting interesting, relevant conversations Surely with too many people the conversation would quickly become overwhelming quickly, and maybe less focused
- Chris Lloyd
Chris: there's a method to my madness, but, yes, I have a hard constraint that I have to live within.
- Robert Scoble
Matt Jones & Matt Biddulph of Dopplr / Felix Petersen - Founder at Plazes.com, now Head of Product Strategy Social Location at Nokia / Christian Sejersen - Mobile Engineering, Mozilla / Raimo van der Klein - SPRXMobile & Layar (watch that name!) / Greg Skibiski - CEO Sense Networks / Ilja Laurs - CEO Getjar / Tommy Ahlers - Founder Zyb - CEO at Wayfinder Systems - now Head of LBS at Vodafone / -> most of them all at http://mobile20.eu conference in Barcelona in June :)
- Rudy De Waele
I don't envy your task, but if you get it right it could be very important for future web development. Will anything be published from the group? To aid future web developers?
- Chris Lloyd
Robert, maybe Bill Balderaz at Webbed Mkting. About to release an awesome monitoring tool that will push the folks in that space. And maybe Beth Kanter who does wonderful things in the non-profit marketing space.
- Gregg Morris
Chris: this list will form the core of Building43 and will discuss the 2010web in a private friendfeed group that will be opened to everyone else on June 11th.
- Robert Scoble
And some of the guys at the W3C Mobile Web initiative - http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ Maybe Daniel Appelquist? Also add Mike Rowehl (coded Admob, Mowser, Skyfire, etc...)
- Rudy De Waele
there seems to be an overwhelming US bias to the list at the moment - Europe? Asia?
- Russell Lack
If you're making it a closed discussion group elite, I urge you to try not to just have all the known incumbents - they're the people that made 2008. Get some new thinkers in there, perhaps people that see the needs and weaknesses, perhaps a few critics, and by all means people from outside the core US/UK/Australia/Canada/France/NL group. Of course it depends what you want to...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Russell: got any names? That's why I put it out here.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana McCall - Savvy, all-around blogger and technology reviewer...Bwana.org
- Ciro
That's going to be an interesting list. Has it changed much from your older lists? Some user names both on ff or twitter would be great. I'm going to check to see if I can suggest some. Maybe Michael Fruchter should be included too.
- Carlos Lorenzo
If we're including journalists, how about Caroline McCarthy?
- Chris Lloyd
Carlos: I'm adding names from Facebook right now. The list is getting longer by the minute.
- Robert Scoble
You'll be testing the limits of google's spreadsheet app by Wednesday
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I see other Jasons, but no Calacanis..
- Simon Wicks
Is there any particular reason a) why you're making this list b) why anyone should help and c) why anyone should care? The 2010Web seems more like a Robert Scoble PR campaign than a project with any depth. Where's the substance behind this? Someone please point me in the right direction.
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: a) I'm building a community of people who are fanatical about the Internet for http://www.building43.com which is why I'm doing it. b) why should you help? Well, because maybe I've helped you along the way. c) why should anyone care? You shouldn't. Move on.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mobile 2.0 choice, Rudy. I'd say Andrew J Scott, Rummble Founder & CEO, should be on the list (@andrewjscott).
- Alex Housley
Robert. Is building43 a non-profit outfit?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: no. It's a community sponsored by Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this is a great exercise. But why do you assume those making the biggest contributions are the ones who are fanatical about the Internet?
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: because I have to start somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, plus, fanaticism without contribution seems pretty empty. And keep in mind what my goal is: it's to try to get more businesses and people into the 2010 web. To do that I'm going to showcase people who are changing the world with the Internet. That will get their attention. Then we need to show them how they can do it too.
- Robert Scoble
Is there any danger of building43 becoming an A-list ivory tower or is this going to be the tech savvy giving back to the cyber peasants? Just curious (which obliterates point C of my previous interjection)...
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: yes, there is that danger. But it will be short lived because after June 11th you'll be interacting with them.
- Robert Scoble
on a country (Fr) & corp filter level I can mention those 2 guys in France. For the corporations they really use and promote 2010 tools to the highest level of those orgs: @ChristianFaure, @dlafont (Denis Lafont-Trevisan) - both Cap Gemini but I do own 0 stock there. They just really get it and they are on FF. Another one that really gets it / use it = Régis Gaidot @rgaidot. also in Germany/austria @bodenseepeter toursprung.com (not on ff). Alexandra Carmichael: Curetogether.com.
- Harscoat
If you want to stay ahead of the curve, follow tipjoy: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
So in other words, you're channeling Barry Goldwater -- extremism in the defense of the Internet is no vice.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: heheh. I'm just looking for people who are using the Internet to improve lives, improve businesses, or just plain build something cool. Stuff like Epochrates that's helping doctors around the world. Or Zappos. Or Twitter, friendfeed, etc.
- Robert Scoble
I think you can add Nicolas Dengler co-founder of cocomment and co-founder of mixin.
- Frédéric Sidler
June 11th. I'll be there man. Just make sure you've installed a helipad on top of that building though :)
- Andrew Eglinton
The challenge is that most people don't want to change the world. They want something safe and comfortable. I'm with you -- the fanatics are the interesting ones, and life is too short to hang around boring people. Anyway, since I'm listed as an "Obama tech advisor", I'd suggest people from that world -- Beth Noveck, Susan Crawford, Vivek Kundra, Aneesh Chopra, and some others not yet announced. What they are doing is still in alpha, but is incredibly important.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: are you in DC? I'll be there first week of June and would love to get some interesting interviews about the broadband policy stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, DM me and we'll tawk. I'm in DC about once a week, helping out and making trouble.
- Kevin Werbach
You've said how you made the list, presented the list. But why are you making the list? (I hate lists btw -- when presented by magazines, newspapers, websites seem like blatant pandering - to both the people on the list and potential consumer)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: a few reasons. For one, I want people who have done something interesting. Having someone like Tony Hsieh or Joe Hewitt or Kevin Werbach or Tim O'Reilly as a founding member of a community will get attention. Having 200 of them will get a lot more. Second, I want to focus my content efforts on these people for the first month. They have more to show about what the 2010web will...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert: so the bottom line is that you are pandering? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: no, we are making sure we have a good list.
- Robert Scoble
There's a method to our madness. The first 100 people you invite to start a community will decide how that community goes for a long time. So we're being very picky about who we start with.
- Robert Scoble
towatch
- Arvind
In response to your 'method' Robert. I agree, the first wave of people will decide the story of a community - providing they have ownership of it. But building43 is a top-down model, what's to say that the people you invite will want to buy into the ethos of your community? Doesn't community begin with collective impetus, collective need?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: Building43 is both going to be top down and bottom up. June 11th you'll see just what we are building (it's not just me working on this) and you'll understand. Hint: it's very friendfeed centric.
- Robert Scoble
Well in that case I'm sold. Final question from me, and incidently I appreciate all your responses above,will there be a provision in building43 for artists?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: I have designers in mind, but how far off of graphic design and web design do you want to go?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: While not being sure exactly where you're going with this, it might make sense to include at least a few (call it a control group) of stodgy old CIOs and/or a person or two from the likes of MSFT, ORCL or others that you would say don't "get" the 2010web (full disclosure I work for MS). Without this I think you risk having some serious groupthink even with the luminaries on your list. Maybe this is planned for later in your efforts but I can't help but think it would be a benefit from the get go.
- David Ziembicki
I wish I was doing a big contribution, yet I am sitting here and waiting for it to come. So that I can use it :)
- Alpay Erturkmen
David: I have a bunch of Microsoft people on the list. CIOs? I'm gonna go for stodgy old companies later. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Better add David Hyatt (founding member of Safari and WebKit) and Maciej Stachowiak (another lead developer)
- Charles Ying
Peter Norvig
- Charles Ying
Robert, I see some startup people, but the list looks blogger/journalist heavy. What about those developers who may be the Bret Taylor of tomorrow, like Jesse Stay, Cesare Rocchi (Posty) and others like them.
- Rob Diana
Oh I do so use Friendfeed :-) And thanks @ericflo!
- Terry Jones
And, BTW, FluidDB is nearly nearly out (as a restricted alpha). End of June, we hope.
- Terry Jones
Robert Robert Robert, do you ever sleep?
- Myrna
This is all fine and dandy but we've got to have last mile bandwidth. Why isn't there a pure Conduit Communications company out there that doesn't have another agenda? The phone companies have their legacy phone business, the cable companies TV. Fiber to the home is what we need. Not geeks. All those people on that list times a million mean nothing compared to fiber to the home. Why is...
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- Web Nex
Wish this list had a way to breakout who is in Michigan. I would love to connect with these folks.
- John Minni
Robert: What about Chris Garrett? Maki (doshdosh)? I was gonna propose Tim Ferriss, then changed my mind, then saw he was already on there. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
FYI, Andy Baio is on FriendFeed (http://friendfeed.com/waxpanc...) as is Jeremy Zawodny (http://friendfeed.com/jzawodn). And I'm pretty sure Kevin Fox is on here too... ;-) (http://friendfeed.com/kfury)
- Tony Ruscoe
Mark Silva at Real Branding; an outstanding thought leader on the possibilities of Social Media.
- Mark Evans
You should add Allyson Kapin who is the founder of Women Who Tech
- Sandra
I've been working on how to automate the routing of data streams (such as Twitter/FF updates) so that the network as a whole will begin doing the work of selecting our content for us, eliminating most of the need for manual following/unfollowing. It seems like these ideas could congeal into a definite algorithm very soon. http://joshmaurice.livejournal.com
- Joshua Maurice
@rob thank you very very much! glad to be compared to Bret!
- funkyboy
theres a top 50 CEO's that twitter here http://images.businessweek.com/ss... on business week - this would be a good starting point - although I think most of them are on here already.
- Nigel Walsh
may I be part of Building43 please Robert?
- Thomas Power
@Thomas - you are moving to the US? or is this the virtual building..
- Nigel Walsh
Thanks for including me bud :)
- Chris Saad
I'd add @bitsweat aka Jeremy Kemper, who worked really hard to merge mirb and Rails into a new version of Rails. It took diplomacy to mold two rival coding teams into one, and as well genius level coding skills. It's hard to find someone on your list, Robert, who is both a diplomat and a great coder.
- barce
a bit corny, but in line with Time Magazine - isnt it all of us?
- Nigel Walsh
okay, one more not on the list: When Marc Andreesen was on the Charlie Rose show, Charlie asked him what the next big thing was. Marc didn't answer. Then Charlie asked him about who was working on the most interesting stuff. Marc's answer: Andrew Chen. http://andrewchenblog.com/ Andrew came up with the Freemium model spreadsheet... okay, I'll stop. :-)
- barce
More fields on Robert Scoble's spreadsheet would be helpful: Affiliation, Title, Facebook Page, Friendfeed Page, Twitter Page, Email Address. (URLs for the pages.)
- Sean McBride
Max Levchin ? is another good guy. Co-founder and former CTO of PayPal.
- Guy Vander Heyden
'Us'
- AJ Kohn
Someone who you don't even know exists yet.
- Dean Clark
@yoast for WordPress SEO
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert - I know you have met Sol Lipman and David Beach, founders of 12seconds.tv.
- Justin Korn
Robert, btw, John Furrier is on Facebook as well as Friendfeed (you have him listed as FF only). I'm on both - I'll let you decide if I should be on the list or not, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I think you should add Sheryl Breuker, Robert. Her Incidental Interviews are becoming quite a staple and she's a central connector in the social media and communications space. She's on both FF and FB. I think her contribution of bringing the personal side of personalities into view is important.
- Ken Camp
Robert- I hate to disagree with you, but some of the folks on this list were movers & shakers in 2007 and 2008 but have since failed to produce anything of note, even simple ideas or concepts. I wouldn't name anyone specifically, but you could stand to be a bit more critical, imvho... Of course, I'm probably critical enough for both of us, and then some. ;)
- Jolie O'Dell
have you investigated @andraz and @gandalfar from Zemanta? I think that understanding text will be a killer application for tracking citations and topics between bloggers
- Michele Costabile
thanks for the include robert, btw i'm most definitely on friendfeed ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Dave Armano (now working with Peter Kim, et al)
- Susan Beebe
Mark Zuckerberg is on facebook ;) hehe - add X
- Susan Beebe
@eldsjal and @MartinLorentzon from Spotify, and if there is someone out there who have not tried spotify yet, ill strongly recommend you to do just that. This is the way it should be done not just with music but also with video! http://www.spotify.com
- Nerkez
It's pretty good, but Andrew Keen belongs on there. Also, so few women on Web 2.0-3.0, eh? Glad you include VWS with Rosedale and Koster. Wagner James Au has not done anything original in 5 years.
- Prokofy Neva
Barrett Lyon of BitGravity and who was one of a handful of people who mapped the Internet
- Loren Heiny
Maybe Steve Gillmor because at least he is always thinking about this stuff all the time and working it, even though he's always wrong.
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: Steve Gillmor not being on the list was a major oversight. I always treat my friends the worst. Hmm.
- Robert Scoble
What about Dan Cohen, the Digital Historian leading the Zotero project? He's on twitter @dancohen. They're going to be launching a social network for researchers from undergrad to professor that will open up the research process to everyone through their Firefox plugin.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Paul Todd [ http://bit.ly/ek9P0 ]. Involved in development of useful apps ( like OneBridge http://bit.ly/XbOMs ) for Symbian phones...
- Arvind
Damn, need to work harder to make it on this list
- Alexander van Elsas
Mahalo is sinking. Too bad, I really like the concept. Maybe it can become a live search engine? - http://trends.google.com/website...
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interesting - what made you look that up out curiosity? And do you think its just a dip or genuinely road to nowhere?
- Zee.
@Zee I was curious. Wanted to see how they are faring.
- Steve Rubel
directly measured traffic is here http://www.quantcast.com/mahalo...
- sean percival
i see a non-disclosed sum acquisition this year
- Allen Stern
Put in any blog, engadget, lifehacker, neowin. They all show similar tends... Maybe this is just the "old style" web loosing favour
- Chris Lloyd
Chris, many "old style" technology blogs are decreasing in traffic but this may be because manufacturers have stepped back from innovating anything exciting.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Yeah, but it's not likely they're all going to fall off the face of the internet, so the decline seen at mahalo maybe in line with other websites, and not an exceptional "road to nowhere"
- Chris Lloyd
Also looking at quantcast, over the short term there seem very little decline, but over 4 months, it's very noticeable (even more so that at google)
- Chris Lloyd
Compete show significant decline too. Although since they are similar to other services it needs to be noted how their traffic levels are bearing up too
- Nicholas James
I used the site once or twice, but it never stuck.
- Blagica S. Bottigliero
Wikipedia (by all accounts a similar service to Mahalo) also shows a decline, though I don't see the exact traffic numbers: http://trends.google.com/website... How did you get those to show up?
- Vincent van Wylick
In any case, in terms of traffic, Mahalo doesn't even come close to Wikipedia, nor do sites like About.com: http://trends.google.com/website...
- Vincent van Wylick
While this trend is heading in the wrong direction, I have confidence in Jason Calacanis. Mahalo is an excellent tool and I think there is a need for it. I do think non-geeks need to become more aware of it though.
- TechListReport
I would argue that this is due to Twitter's (semi-accidental) success as a form of crowd-sourced search/discovery engine. Plus with a "Real-time" angle at that. Mahalo just never got a large enough user base to achieve escape velocity. On Twitter, people just started madly tweeting away, and THEN it turned out that in aggregate it worked like a discovery engine b/c people feel socially compelled to pass along mostly only good stuff to their followers.
- Alex Schleber
Quantcast is a little more accurate then that since it's tracked with a pixel (i.e. real traffic). We had record traffic in two of the last four months... not sure why it's not reflected in that trend line. Anyway, M2 launch on June 2nd will take Mahalo from 5m+ uniques a month to 10-15m I think... we've learned a LOT from the Mahalo Answers experience (i.e. virtual currency + knowledge community = big win).
- Jason Calacanis
Jason, looking forward to it. I am rooting for you guys.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
What's really interesting is that Analytics and Quantcast show about 170-210k uniques a day (5.2 in last 30), and this graph shows like 50-75k. I guess this data is sampled or something? Anyway, Mahalo Answers broke 1m uniques in the past 30 days after about four months.... so, it's booming. That same performance is going to come to Mahalo Search when we launch M2 on June 2nd at the New York Tech Meetup..... where I will have only six minutes to demo my idea--just like everyone else!!! :-)
- Jason Calacanis
Jason, have you looked into an iPhone App like DuckDuckGo?
- Tyler Ham
Question for you all. I have a trademark for TWiT® - first used in May 2005, trademark applied for May 2006 and registered March 2007. The trademark is in "Entertainment in the nature of visual and audio performances, and musical, variety, news and comedy shows." http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin...
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Up until now there's been no conflict with Twitter itself because the brands were in different arenas. (We have, however, sent out cease and desist letters to companies using "twit" in their name and doing audio or video). But now Twitter is doing a TV show. The confusion between TWiT and Twitter is mounting. What do I do? Defend my mark? Or let my brand be swallowed by the big guy (even though we were first by several years)? I need your advice. What does the community think?
- Leo Laporte
Defend your trademark, 99% of people will totally understand, you have to do it, or you'll loose it!
- Chris Lloyd
Defend it. People that watch Twit Tv will also defend it.
- Jason Rundell
Can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Does TWIT still stand up as an accurate brand for all the new stuff you are doing with TWIT Live? Might be time to find a new visual/brand identity.
- BryanSchuetz
At the SF MusicTech conference a lawyer called "tweets" "twits" repeatedly. Let's just say I think you should defend your mark and let TV chew up and spit out twitter.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I don't see how the brand of Twitter infringes on your trademark. Plus trademarks are an outdated ideal. You need to market and promote your brand and the people will come.
- Bob Blunk
Bryan: The TWiT name carries alot of weight in tech circles, it will take alot of money/time/effort to make a completely new name for something that will probably outlast twitter anyway
- Chris Lloyd
Incidentally, Twitter just got their trademark approved May 11, 2009 in the following "Telecommunication services, namely, providing online and telecommunication facilities for real-time interaction between and among users of computers, mobile and handheld computers, and wired and wireless communication devices; enabling individuals to send and receive messages via email, instant...
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- Leo Laporte
There is nothing ideal about any aspect of IP law.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Chris: I think Leo's name carries more weight than TWIT and (for me at least) he IS TWIT so I don't see it as quite such a big deal.
- BryanSchuetz
Of course, there's a larger long-term problem because of the way that Twitter has weakened _your_ brand. It might be less expensive (and a better use of your time) to rebrand TWiT into something that strengthens your brand and moves it away from Twitter; avoiding any future problems (and there will be future problems). You can't fight Oprah.
- Professor Messer
I guess Leo started a shit-storm here...The question goes far beyond the argument of Twitter vs. TWIT. It begs the question of how do Brands defend their government protected trademarks in a time when trademarks are failing to adequately describe what a company does. Do we need a trademark to know that Leo creates awesome podcasts and streams realtime shows via the internet? Plus, how could a trademark impart this knowledge to newcomers?
- Bob Blunk
Leo - your brand, as most evidenced by your show and content is awesome - for a small group of peeps who have had a chance to discover it and enjoy. I'd use the overlap in marques to leverage Twitter in some type of promotional / service partnership, whilst still retaining your brand and the equity you've built. Don't fight em, join em, at least tactically.
- Thom Kennon
Never give in to the big guy!
- Brian Harper
I'm with the majority, defend your trademark and your legacy.
- jcunwired
Defend it Leo. You built the brand and they need to honor that.
- Robert
I always thought calling the network the same name as a show on the network was wierd. But it's a recognized brand, and I wouldn't give in. Send some mails to all the twitvid.io's out there.
- Anton Tanderup
Is the BIG guy really that Big? Plus, with the way busines is changing one thing seems to remain the same...protectionism, let's sue someone it's easier. I'm suggesting your desicion is easy here Leo but in light of the landscape changing do you really have a chance? The other question to ponder is this, Twitter is the hot thing now but will it be 5 years from now and will it be true...
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- Owen Greaves
speaking from a british point of view a twit is someone who is a little silly or stupid. I think your podcast can stand up against the everising onslaught of twitter. Why not rise above all this discussion and say what you are This week in technology, a fantastic poscast full of wit and essential information for gadget freaks such as myself. Let the owners of twitter gabble on, in my book baby creatures twitter and you are certainly no TWIT.
- Chris Jennings
@ Professor Messer 'You can't fight Oprah' is not totally correct. You can FIGHT her, can you win? Maybe. I think, offline, Leo VS Oprah would go several rounds. Tweetfight says otherwise.
- Jason Rundell
Defend it Leo. What's the use in having a trademark if others can infringe upon it.
- TechListReport
Sorry to say, my girlfriend recently yelled at my for watching 'Twitter' when I was really watching TWiT live. Confusion does exist for people who don't fully understand what each service is.
- Wo
The good thing about trademark law is that it's well established and legally documented. The problem with trademark law is that it's well established and legally documented. You need a brand to create awareness, and you need the trademark to protect your established brand. This one is sticky because TWiT is well established but it's going to be an expensive brand to protect. Twitter's...
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- Professor Messer
@Jason Rundell, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a cage match between Leo and Oprah (who wouldn't?). But it'll cost a lot of time and money. Sometimes it's better to be smarter than the legal system.
- Professor Messer
I'm not sure I fully understand where the perceived trademark issue is. The names are similar, but clearly different. I don't know that Twitter is making any efforts or attempts to infringe on the TWiT brand, particularly in the area specified ""Entertainment in the nature of visual and audio performances, and musical, variety, news and comedy shows." I agree and understand the brand...
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- Ken Camp
The fact is, the brand that really matters here is not TWiT, but Leo Laporte. I came to TWiT because of you, Leo, not because of the name. That being said, I'll stand behind whatever decision you make.
- Darren Landrum
Oh, and I think this is just the opportunity we need to resubscribe our iTunes and take over the top 10 lists. :)
- Professor Messer
Can I ask - did TWiT exist before Twitter? Or did Twitter exist first? And - is your name TWiT based on Twitter, at all?
- Chris Loft
Chris Loft: TWiT predates Twitter and comes from This week in tech...
- Chris Lloyd
I think it's only right to defend your trademark Leo. You were there way before Twitter and just because they have gained significantly increased attention and media coverage, doesn't mean you have to lay down and submit to Twitter. I would defend your mark vigorously if I were you. You've worked hard to build your brand.
- Marty McPadden
Chris Loft proves that there is confusion between the two.
- Anton Tanderup
Leo - TWit is an incredible brand and network of invaluable podcasts - you simply have to defend it
- Robert Davies
Fight for it. When they try to get additional financing make your move. Asserting your trademark will cause them to settle or buy you out when they go public.
- Alan Morris
I think that once you see the Twitter television show, you'll probably want to distance yourself as far away as possible.
- Professor Messer
Defend your trademark. I get more intellectual engagement from the TWiT network of shows than I do from most of my Twitter community.
- Eric Geller
Use whatever legal tools you have available to defend your brand, especially if Twitter is talking about crossing into audio/video. You have a strong product, and Twitter is creating brand confusion in the market. A hard line needs to be drawn between your product and theirs, and it's clear that they are not going to keep a respectful distance with TWiT.
- Jason Miller
You have to rise above the emotion and make a business decision. How much will it cost you to defend versus how much will you gain? Simple cost/benefit. My guess is that this fight will cause you to lose focus on your work, be a financial hardship as you go up against a company with VC backing, and all for the "possibility" that you will win and maybe get some compensation from Twitter....
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- Tom Sheppard
I thought twitvid.com was the new video netcasts Leo has been talking about, boy was I surprised!
- Daniel Rinaman
It has to be defended.Giving up and letting another company take your brand, no matter how big the company or personal feelings toward the owner, can not be an option. You built your brand and should defend it.
- David Z
Defend it Leo!
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
You need to defend it Leo. You had the trademark first.
- imperator3733
How about a name like LeoCast... No confusion there.
- Rustic Thoughts
Agree don't let the big dog scare you..you have the law on your side
- Randy Pollock
It's YOUR mark Leo and you have worked hard to make it as well-known as it is. Defend what's yours!!
- Jim Connolly
Twitter will be virtually gone like Classmates and MySpace in a few years... Keep the name!
- Rick Harvey
Leo: As others have said, you can initiate legal action, but I doubt you'd win. TWiT is based upon an acronym (This Week in Tech). Twitter is not an acronym, it's a word unto itself. Twitter doesn't use the term "twit" by itself; the word is always used fully (though some people snidely call Twitter users "twits"). Until you launched a microblogging area on your site, TWiT and Twitter...
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- Dwight Silverman
yes defend your trademark
- Alfonso alatorre
Add to all this another twist. While TWiT is trademarked, twit is a common language word which can't be trademarked. That adds a dash of ambiguity to the whole issue.
- Ken Camp
Twit came before Twitter I think you should defend it. it is dumb anyways Twit and Twitter is not even the same word, it would be like CocaCola suing Coconut because of COC
- URLREVIEWS
Twitter is going to be a realty show based on stalking celebrities. It wont last more than one season.
- Rustic Thoughts
I say let it roll. Your a 'big guy' in your own field, but Twitter is bigger. Play off of them. You could be bigger. Look at all the petty stuff that Microsoft did..and where did it get them? Bad Press.
- Gene
To keep your trademark you must defend it if it's being violated.
- CT Raider
I think Twitter has the brand and you don't right now. Maybe Twitter should buy it from you or you should collaborate with twitter to monetize and add your TWiT to twitter
- Amit 'zyaada' Mittal
I certainly think you should defend your trademark, isn't that why you registered?
- dcale1965
I checked Twitter's own site and it looks like Twitter launched March 1, 2006. TWiT was around well before then. Being in tech, I find it hard to believe they hadn't heard of him. It was a big podcast even then. I knew of TWiT well before Twitter. This may seem like a dumb issue to some, but a lot of people I recommended the podcast to now ask me if "it's a Twitter thing."
- JeffreyVC
Ev told me that when they were considering names for Twitter they knew about TWiT and decided it didn't matter. In their defense, they had no idea what or how big Twitter was to become. We talked about trademark early on and both agreed there was no conflict _as long as we were in different spaces_. And therein lies the rub.
- Leo Laporte
Apple Computer and Apple records recently went through this -- what was the outcome there?
- Brian Sullivan
I thought it wasn't clear infringement when Twitter came out but now that there is Twit video the infringement is very clear. I would defend.
- Robert Scoble
Lawyers are expensive. Legal fights are draining. You could spend the rest of your professional life fighting this battle. I don't know what's been going on in the back channel, and you probably shouldn't say publicly, but if you haven't tried approaching the Twitter board members privately, you might want to. Lay out the facts carefully, and if you're open to a settlement, say roughly...
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- Dave Winer
Legally, if you do not actively defend your trademark in every infringement then you will have difficulty *EVER* defending it. This isn't an anti-Twitter thing, just a simple business practice, Leo.
- Kevin Donahue
"Clear Infringement". How exactly? It's a lose/lose for Twitter if they choose to encroach or even litigate.
- Adi
Yeah but Leo added video later. And now Twitter is adding video. The real issue is that there is no clear separation between a radio/video network and a social microblogging site these days. And our trademarking system is so ridiculous that these kinds of conflicts go completely unnoticed all the time.
- JeffreyVC
I'd say it's time to either re-brand TWiT or defend it. Deferring the decision and just living with the confusion and ambiguity is no longer an option.
- Ken Sheppardson
Defend your trademark
- Lars Clausen
Defend your brand Leo.The World Wide Fund for Nature took on the WWF and made them change their name to WWE. If they can do it, so can you.
- Bryan Lee
The big problem with defending it... beyond the unfortunate fact that it's a drain on resources that could be better spent elsewhere... is it's not clear how you'd win. They're not going to change their name. They'll forever be Twitter. Is it sufficient to somehow "ban" them from ever doing anything in video? Enforcing that in perpetuity's would only raise your blood pressure.
- Ken Sheppardson
I would take the emotion out of the equation -- find out what it would cost to defend and determine what it is worth to have exclusive/non-exclusive use (maybe some subjectivity here) and make the decision using that information.
- Brian Sullivan
I say defend it but only so much as to bring more media attention to your brand... once you have the media's attention you can use that to change the brand identity if you so choose. Your followers myself included will stay fans no matter what you call your brand, but I think you have an opportunity to expand and use twitter as a means of gaining media attention!
- Nathan McClain
If you don't do this you wont have a leg to stand on in the future when you need to really protect it. I can piss all over your trademark if you do not defend it.
- David Lloyd
Leo: in a trademark fight what is the ROI? I am sure it will be very expensive and not sure you will get much in return but if you forced Twitter to change its name I am sure they would quickly settle with you.
- Robert Scoble
I still think Twitter will be as irrelevant as MySpace in 2 years, but it's your brand to protect.
- Mike Lewis
Ideal Outcome: A $$$ settlement sufficient to comfortably fund the rebranding of TWiT.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert makes a very good point. This could get messy and expensive, although it seems like those guys are VERY hard to work/interact with.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
while bryan lee makes a good point, their battles took a long time to resolve. but, don't let this deter you. i would suggest you defend it. if anything, i see you have a strong case and whatever happens can be in your favour. it's possible twitter can concede in infringing in your trademark and may be even consider licensing through the course of the battle. but be very, very patient for any outcome to happen.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Dave: wrong. Leo is who got me on Twitter. His marks were more popular and predated Twitter's.
- Robert Scoble
Leo got me into twitter too!
- Jim Connolly
I think Leo has a good chance at wining his case since he did register the copyright first. Twitter is still not a money making business. They are living off of VC money. They will probably not have the funds to mount a case since their money will be tied up with keeping twitter afloat. Am I right?
- Bryan Lee
Leo also got me on Twitter shortly after they went public.
- Mike Bracco
regarding AMF, Inc. v. Sleekcraft Boats, 599 F.2d 341 (9th Cir. 1979) the battle was very different. one of the things found was that the company had an 'infinity' of other brands to choose. it's a very different situation in detail, although it looks comparable at face value.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Or just have them become a premium sponsor. There used to be so much twitter talk before, I think they really should be owing you some gratitude for the traffic.
- Adi
As part of any settlement, you should demand Ev and Biz concede that individual Twitter entries are "Tweets", as embarrassed as they seem to be by that. They're net "twits" or "twitters"... they're "tweets".
- Ken Sheppardson
i'm sure something can be negotiated with twitter. a lawsuit in this case would show you're just defending your trademark because they are encroaching in your territory. you're not taking them on what they are known to do, their core competency. rather, it's stepping into your own grounds.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
not doing anything on purpose may weaken your trademark. many court cases also end up not going through the entire ordeal.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Yep, I agree the day has come where it's either fight or flight. And I don't mean that quite the way it sounds. :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
Defend!!!!
- Mark Williamson
from BuddyFeed
I don't think you have much choice. Either you defend it or you lose it.
- Pascal Sijen
dave johnson: true, there's always a degree of uncertainty; but that doesn't mean giving up in defending one's investment in a trademark. it can be argued pragmatically and it's to the point where leo must defend his territory upon which twitter is encroaching. aye.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I'm not sure you can win, are we aren't even sure what they're going to call it yet. If it ends up being Twitter.TV you have no chance to beat them.
- DarknessFalls
There is even a shortening service called: http://twitpwr.com/ - The brand must be defended.
- David Z
Leo: You must defend it or lose it. They need to know you also have the muscle behind you. I have the attorney that did all the trademark work for Terminator 1-4, Rambo, old timer who knows every angle. I have him on retainer and would love to join your cause. I can arrange a chat with him at no cost, then you can decide to move ahead, or if the cost seems to steep, I would be interested in partnering with you on the trademark. Fight on Leo! Let me know if you want to chat Thx Chad
- Chad Harris
Reading this I'm also thinking, if you move forward as some here suggest, be ready to go after Twitpic.com and every other Twit* variation to aggressively defend everywhere or lose steam on all fronts. Is that a good identity move? This is not a simple question to consider when everything is taken into account.
- Ken Camp
I'm of the opinion that twitter's initial success back in 2006 and 2007 was in part due to piggybacking on the brand name recognition that Leo had built over the years prior.
- Chris Heath
I think defending it is what you must do, but perhaps take a different look at it all together and suggest some kind of mutual PR blitz leading into a partnership or new brand identity for TWiT. Just don't call it SyFy!
- Aaron T. Harvey
The question here is would a "Reasonable person" confuse the two? I would like to think I am a reasonable person (even though I can't spell) and I would not be confused in the least. I love the Twit network and watch several hours a week, but I don't see the issue.
- Rob
I agree that since Leo has been a twitter evangelist all these years, they should be able to strike an accord somehow. Maybe even partnering up on the whole Twitter TV Show since Leo has the video presence online.
- Bryan Lee
You have to defend now, or 5 years from now you'll have a weaker case against the twitty podcast network.
- Robert Hafer
Rob, the question isn't whether or not you or I would confuse the two, but do the people who watch Oprah and maybe catch Leo on The Tech Guy confuse them...and they do.
- Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron...Do you really think they would. Am I that out of touch with the "Normal People"? If that is the case then I guess I would have to conseed that to be an issue. But I am still not quite convenced.
- Rob
Funny - I would enjoy the extra publicity - You have a loyal set of listeners - and none of us are confused. If people end up on your site -cause they are looking for twitter, maybe they will take a listen. People who are looking for podcasts on technology though i doubt will find twitter in a search.
- Laurence Gold
Rob, I've seen it happen, even with people "in the know". People think that TWiT is somehow connected with Twitter because of the name. It's a mistake that, while not happening with everyone--and maybe not even the majority--can end up costing Leo and co. money.
- Aaron T. Harvey
Protect what you worked hard to build
- Shawn Hickman
Had Apple been named "TWiT," you can be assured there would be no talk of a TwitterTV...
- Christopher A Carr
Of course you should perfect TWIT for media and tech. You have the prior art, use. It's an obvious move for Twitter to exploit their 'brand' into media. You must pursue Leo. You have been a crusader for fair-use, but there are times (like this example) where fairness requires accountability.
- michael sean wright
The commenter who noted that if you do not enforce your rights they may be weakened is generally correct. I suggest seeking an agreement that is mutually beneficial and recognizes your rights in the TWiT(R) trademark.
- erik pelton
The problem with defending your trademark is the public backlash it can generate. Think O'Reilly and Web 2.0 or Apple and Profit Pod. But in this case, if you are indeed convinced that there is some infringement of TWiT by Twitter, I think you'd be doing us all a favor if you could somehow head off their plans for a celebrity-stalking TV show.
- Dave
The problem is not really twitter, or a twitter video show, but all the people who says they just sent a twit. Also all the small companies with twit in their name, who are in the video/audio area. Twit radio, twitvid.io etc etc. I see no problem in protecting the brand. However it ends out you'll get a lot of publicity.
- Anton Tanderup
Leo, this could be an opportunity for you to come out ahead. Yes it's an awkward situation and yes you could fight this on legal grounds, but there's no win for you there. Here's a way for you to win. Today your brand is a split brand--split between "Leo LaPorte" and "TWIT." You can win by focusing more on building the Leo LaPorte part of the brand. "Leo LaPorte" doesn't equal TWIT, yr...
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- Michael Metz
man you gotta defend your name and trademark,whats next a twitter podcast network?
- cliff whitefoot
I think Ken Sheppardson sums it up nicely. I don't think you even need to retain a lawyer to start with the cease and desist letters, then see if they are amenable to a settlement, partnership or other remedy. It doesn't have to, and hopefully won't ever, come to a legal battle. However, it's clear enough that unless Leo hands them his mark and re-brands on his own dime, he must defend...
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- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Its funny... in a way you helped make twitter the juggernaut it is today.... all the free advertisement that you have given them over the years....LOL.. Maybe they should return the favor
- Nathan McClain
Hasn't Leo said he wants to add a second host to the network? Wouldn't it also confuse viewers if they were watching the Leo Laporte Network and the show was hosted by someone not named Leo?
- Norm Corriveau
Leo, some other people have made good points, if you're going after Twitter your also going to have to go after the other sites with Twit in the name: Twitpic, Twitpwr and Twiteverything or your case will be thrown out.
- DarknessFalls
DarknessFalls: he'd only have to do that if they all launched TV shows too.
- Martin Bryant
darknessfalls, you're not getting the scope. it's about leo's twit trademark on video and what twitter plans to do that's associated with it.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
If you haven't done so already, explore the Apple case, both the legal and business issues that Apple Corps encountered. And if you DON'T defend your trademark, what's Plan B? Remember that Twitter (or its future owners) may someday sue YOU.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Leo, take your mark and make them all change names. Is this Ustream show even official Twitter? it looks pretty lame, like they just used the word, visual branding like twitter.com. http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
- rob friedman
Don't sue unless you can find a business case and a lawyer to take the case on contingency with enough potential gain that it all wouldn't have been a big waste of time for a couple hundred dollars. But I am not a lawyer (IANAL). In fact, the grown up thing for twitter to do would be to link to you with an explanation that they aren't you and visa versa.
- Eric Standlee
Defend yourself, Leo.
- Devin Baines
Defend your trademark. Why else would you have filed it in the first place?
- phil baumann
The best solution would be for Leo to produce the official Twitter show as part of the TWiT network.
- Martin Bryant
The brand is big because of Leo yes, but having the TWiT brand is important. There are shows on the network in which Leo is not in.
- Anton Tanderup
Whats the question? TWiT is yours Leo, you need to protect it, the TWiT Army is not only at your back but with 60% of new Twitter accounts not coming back, all you have to do is hold out and wait on it to fold anyways.
- Bush Williams
Anton, the band is TWiT - twit.tv? - TWiT netcast network... that is the brand...
- Chris Heath
It is totally unfair, but I want to see all of your focus and money going towards content, not legal actions. You will be endlessly sending out C&Ds or worse as long as Twitter is popular. That said, I do think you should squeeze some money out of Ev in order to cede the brand.
- invariant - farewell FF
Twitter offers more value to me than TWiT ever could. Sorry Leo, but this just seems like sour grapes.
- Shannon
Leo: You should do a This Week in Law on this btw.
- Anton Tanderup
Shannon - how much value you get from either brand is not what is at question here.
- Chris Heath
I'm not sure if this was already mentioned in the nearly 150 comments here, but Leo's link doesn't work. Here's a better link that I hope stays active: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin...
- Eric Geller
+1 to chris' comment.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
You have a "defend or lose" obligation under trademark law. The TWiT brand has significant value, both from a revenue perspective and and the potential cost of re-branding al your sites, moving twit.tv etc., if you lose it. Protect the mark that secures your brand. Oh yeah, on that whole "big guy" theme: Because of your stable business model vs Twitter's Twitter's evolving one, an...
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- David Lounsbury
Shannon, the post asks for advice on how to be the best caretaker of a network and its trademark - your assignment of personal value should guide your own choices, but is irrelevant to the question at hand. How can it be sour grapes if failing to act now _could_ result in losing the standing of a trademark/brand which preceded those of other players who _may_ be crossing the line to the point of infringement.
- Micah Wittman
TWiT offers more value to me than Twitter ever could. Sorry Shannon, but this just seems like sour grapes.
- invariant - farewell FF
What a conundrum. I can't speak much to any legal considerations. But, on an emotional level, I would imagine that not defending and potentially losing the name must feel like smiling politely as an immigration official pins you with a random Anglicized name because your real, "ethnic" name is confusing to the masses in the new world, and making a fuss is to gamble the welfare of your...
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- Micah Wittman
@Ken Camp: Isn't twitter also a common english word which can't be trademarked? EDIT: Or Windows, for that matter?
- invariant - farewell FF
invariant -- you mean like Apple?
- Brian Sullivan
word, err, I mean Microsoft Word
- Micah Wittman
I think your best brand is "Leo Leporte". TWiT is just where Leos at.
- Matthew Snape
So I think we've established that common English words can be trademarked. So what's the criteria? Has to be a noun?
- invariant - farewell FF
of related note, i realise that twitter is indirectly facilitating twit offshoots upon registration. this is how: registering anything with 'twitter' in the username is *banned*. so, for a user already having their heart set on using twitter as part of their 'brand' might think of using 'twit' instead. this opens up a new can of worms figuring out who is using the twit name and doing video. like how they are doing now with 'twiter', they can stop it at registration to avoid further confusion.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I say defend it. If they are doing a TV show, they're definitely stepping on your toes. Nevermind that I can't imagine their show would be any good, but that's a different story... :)
- Jan Ole Peek
What about TwiTips? If that isn't entertainment then what is? But seriously I own several trademarks myself and I know if you don't take action then you could lose the Tmark. You have a conundrum because Twitter is so popular. So I would recommend seeking a compromise so that you won't lose your mark and appear like the bad guy with the public. Perhaps a clearer definition of the terms...
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- BLOGBloke
Other than I think he needs to see a surgeon to fix that lean to the left he has,... I love the guy and have been listening to him for about 15...16...dang probabaly close to 18 years about tech news I love the guy. And to top it off! He knows what he is talking about!! Leo makes am radio worth a listen on the weekends!
- John Apostoli
TWiT is a network providing audio and video broadcast covering issues related to the tech field. Twitter is a social network used to connect people using the basic SMS tools. While people *may* confuse the issue by referring to Twitter messages as "twits, there is no evidence that Twitter has used or endorsed the term. Unless & until Twitter (as a company) starts using the term "Twit"...
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- David J. Garcia
I've said this privately, but I guess I will say it publicly.Defend your mark. It is your livelihood. There WILL be confusion if it gets to TV, where people are not tech savvy and have no idea who you are
- Francine Hardaway
Yes, it may be expensive, and yes, these fights are draining, Dave, but until the laws are changed (an entirely different question), Leo could lose part of his livelihood through the confusion, especially since he has advertisers who would probably want him to defend. Everything in the universe doesn't happen in Silicon Valley:-)
- Francine Hardaway
David - until now that has been the case, but Twitter is planning on doing a TV show (which would definitely be infringement), which is why this debate is happening.
- imperator3733
I would certainly want you to defend it but i don't think its gonna be possible for two reasons. First Twitter is a bigger, more powerful and certainly more loved brand with more money. and you were first to infringe the unofficial agreement by hosting Twit Army. in that perspective you might not be able to defend it legally.besides the audience you've built ain't gonna be affected by what twitter does.So consult a legal advisor & take best course of action. Best of Luck
- Abhishek
I think if you approach it in good faith--initially without lawyers--you have a very good chance to work something out. Ev seems to be a very reasonable guy. Perhaps it's best to draft a strategy with counsel before any discussions though. What's really in your favor(perhaps legally, perhaps not) is that Twitter can't deny how your support and promotion for it was incendiary to the...
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- Gregg Scott
http://www.googlefight.net/... - ouch
- Nate
What's the point of a googlefight here Nate?
- Chris Heath
Sorry but the Google fight site is loaded with pop-ups that even show through popup blocker.
- Usman Bashir
Usman, I didn't get any popups (using chrome on winxp) but still it's a hideous site
- Chris Heath
Twitter has a lot of investment, but I'm not sure all of that is liquid money. You may be even in the money spent defending your Trademark. I say go for it. Do it now though if you do.
- Jesse Stay
Leo must Defend!
- Jim Mahon
If it was me, I'd defend it. While Twitter is still worth something! Talk to a lawyer first and see if you have a valid case.
- John Frazer
You must defend.
- Will Bostwick
I can't believe how long this thread has gotten!
- Bryan Lee
Seems like you are getting a lot of FREE promotion as a result of twitter. My bigger concern would be not having the twit.com URL to go with your brand name. That's a big issue!
- Craig Shipp
@Craig, twit.com was registered in 1997, and it's parked.
- rob friedman
Twit is your trademark for the company you have built up. It seems rather unfair that they would brand their idea so similar. I would defend it and all the hard work you have done.
- Matthew Davis
Defend it Leo. Things may get ugly, but sometimes they just gotta.
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
Fight for you trademark! Especially since they knew of your prior use and now they are doing a TV show which they should know is stepping on your trademark.
- russellcoleman
Defend, owning Twitter may not be useful for you yourself, but you could make a profit off of it if you were to sell it. Go for it Leo!
- Zachary TG
What Kyle said!!
- jcunwired
Leo, FriendFeed community, let's get practical here - Twitter has more resources and probably a decent case defending against what you could file. It would be a blow to your image, to TWiT's image, and be bad press overall. You have a far greater chance of losing credibility than gaining trademark protection. You need to look into other strategies.
- Ben Parr
There is no such thing as bad Press
- Jesse Stay
from email
I would thin kthat the thing to do is to gently but firmly convince them that they are infringing on your brand, that litigation would be damaging to both of you, losing community goodwill over the fight, and that it would be simpler, faster, and cheaper for both entities if they were to pay for your rebranding effort. Be prepared to present them with the estimated costs of litigation,...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Defend your Trademark. It's the responsible thing to do as a buisness.
- Donald Forth
Defend your trademark
- Russ Jackson
what Kyle & guruvan said. Does anyone else think we need threaded comments for conversations like this right here?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I'd defend the TWiT trademark.
- Jonathan Bloom
I'm not as thunk as you drink I am
- David Lloyd
Also there is this guy who has a "beef" with twitter http://twitter.co.uk/
- rob friedman
@rob friedman - That guy says Twitter doesn't require you to validate your email address. Wow, that's ripe for abuse!
- invariant - farewell FF
Defend.
- Tony Meyer
Talk to a lawyer.
- Zian Choy
More than a hundred comments, the community is twitting even on friendfeed. A legal action would be very difficult. You should first define your objective in doing so. Do you really want to protect your brand or settle for a lucrative compensation? Even if you get some sort of legal protection limiting Twitter to use or endorse the word "twit" to some extent, people will still be...
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- Cem ARGUN
Cem: I'm afraid I don't understand that first sentence of yours. Can you explain?
- Christopher A Carr
It's only infringement if trademark string parser is case insensitive TWiT® != Twit®
- KyleHase
Prior art (and obligatory MP reference) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jay Cuthrell
Maybe a dead issue? At least as far as the potential fight w/ Twitter, Inc. Mashable says Twitter responds no official Twitter TV show http://mashable.com/2009...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And now for something completely different... watch the meetup room if interested in seeing Spamalot in SF as a group...
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I would say defend it. Of course, I'm just a Twit.tv fan and not a lawyer.
- Joey Gibson
'all this nonsense'?? wtf is that supposed to mean?
- Chris Heath
Just leave it alone until they manage to make some real money off it, then litigate. That's how it's done you know.
- Will Higgins™
Leo, I am a long time fan and constant listener to all of you work. You are a more than fair and wholly honorable man. You have had TWIT long before I ever heard of a twitter. Go with your heart Leo. I am behind you. I understand you would impede progress of any positive kind. But a cease and desist letter. Seems harsh. I think you have a winner. Let them buy the TM. Power to the people. Go Leo, you deserve it. You do only good. You are one of a kind! RodneO
- RODNEY OLIVER
PC Easy: I don't think Leo's making a big stink. The idea that twitter would get into the tv/video business would be a big thing since they have a verbal agreement with Leo not to get into that business. This may be all for nothing, since the mashable article guruvan linked above states that twitter will not be doing a show. Leo was doing the best first step (imho) in asking the community for guidance in the event that the original reporting was correct (which it does not appear to be now). So moot point
- Chris Heath
I think if I was you Leo I would try to license rights to them and get some mula out of it. Remember "Leo Laporte" goes a lot farther than TWIT does and most importantly ever will.
- Eric VM
there's a current backlash on twitter trending topics right now w/ hashtag #notwittertv. the examiner has an unfavorable article here: http://www.examiner.com/x-264-C... even alyssa milano is against it: http://twitter.com/Alyssa_...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Its going to suck and bomb... guaranteed.
- Rustic Thoughts
Maybe just sell it to them Leo for a gazillion dollars and retire. Keep the leaches out of it..meaning the lawyers. What the heck, Leo you are great at trend setting, you practically put twitter on the map. They owe you something.for all the pub you have given them since their inception.
- John Apostoli
Defend. There's really no reasonable alternative.
- Jason Clarke
You gotta defend it Leo. What's the point of trademarking in the first place.
- Joel Lovato
You have to defend what is legally yours.
- Michael Hansel
Twitter Responds: There is No Official Twitter TV Show- Mashable (May 25th, 2009 | by Pete Cashmore) -- http://mashable.com/2009... -- There is no official Twitter TV show—although if there were it would be fun to cast! In dealing with networks and production companies we sometimes have simple agreements. Regarding the Reveille and Brillstein project reported today,...
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- Chris Loft
Leo, suggest you go "open source co-branding" on this. Monetize your "twit" brand through creative brand licensing with emerging entertainment and multimedia microblogging companies that want to ride the "twitter" bandwagon. I can see creative corporate and individual co-brands like, TwitSounds, TwitFilms, TwitMedia, TwitCats, TwitBitch, TwitMechanic, etc...
- Mike Schmidt
If I hear the word "monetize" one more time, my eardrums will begin bleeding. That is all.
- wyclif
I don't want to over simplify this but if Twitter do branch into video and even streaming TV, surely the content would have to be substantially different to what TWiT already provides, otherwise they are at risk of spoiling their brand identity. Stay strong and true to the Tech news content and let Twitter, well do what ever they may do. Personally, I think it would be a mistake for them to go down this road. Time may be better spent further improving the existing service.
- Kevin J Hatton
the mashable news is taken directly from the twitter blog: http://blog.twitter.com
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Maybe it's a good time to Re-Brand. Twit has unfortunate connotations in some areas of the English speaking world. On this side of the pond a twit is an idiot. Until I became aware of Leo I gave TWiT a very wide berth. Branded simply as This Week in Tech it would have got my positive attention a whole lot sooner. Time to move onward and upward.
- Gilbert Harding
This was copied and pasted but sums it up so well : Of course, there's a larger long-term problem because of the way that Twitter has weakened _your_ brand. It might be less expensive (and a better use of your time) to rebrand TWiT into something that strengthens your brand and moves it away from Twitter; avoiding any future problems (and there will be future problems). You can't fight Oprah. - Professor Messer
- Fragtastic
A very worthy point - "I think that once you see the Twitter television show, you'll probably want to distance yourself as far away as possible. - Professor Messer"
- Fragtastic
I'll admit to being a little slow on the uptake to both TWiT and twitter and it took me some time to figure out that they were different things. I was listening to TWiT before I found twitter, and at first I wondered if I was mixing the names up in my head. I think there is real potential for confusion between the two names. Good luck in whatever you decide to do, Leo.
- Rick Reynolds
You could ride the wave of popularity Twitter is experiencing by allowing that confusion to blossom. Perhaps more people could start listening and watching your netcasts *because* of that confusion?
- David Hepworth
You need to defend your brand, however since you know the guys at Twitter maybe you can come to some sort of agreement that is the best interest of both TWiT and Twitter.
- Jim Lavin
I say defend the brand. I fully believe Leo and TWiT will outlive Twitter. It would be a shame to surrender the brand only to see it disappear in 1-2 years.
- Martin Johnson
I think you should definitely defend it. Whatever it will be called, Twitter-TV will make a big splash and Twit, being less mainstream than Oprah, won't even make a dent. And if they want your trademark, they should pay for it.
- Vincent van Wylick
I say defend it, if you don't the that opens the door to other infringements.
- Hunter
since you clearly took your name from This Week in Baseball, which deputed in 1977, should MLB defend their trademark with you?
- glenn simmons
Defend it! definitely, the trademark is rightfully yours and you need to hold on to it...I like twitter, but I like TWiT even more...
- Raymond
Glenn, you are wrong. There are many registered trademarks that contain "this week in"
- russellcoleman
See what you have started Leo? Twitter TV is not a patch on what you do. Now if it was professionally done, with great audio then maybe,
- Kevin J Hatton
Dealing with a similar issue (though not as big as dealing with Twitter). I say throw out a warning shot to protect your brand. Worst case they ignore you and you have to spend gobs of money to defend it. Best case they make you a $$ offer.
- Brian Niles
from Nambu
russellcoleman, exactly so why is Leo crying about twitter
- glenn simmons
Glenn, because "Twit" is Leo's trademark in the area of entertainment in the nature of visual and audio performances, and musical, variety, news and comedy shows.
- russellcoleman
Defend it!
- Kiran Patchigolla
Sorry Leo, does that mean I can't call people Twitts? Does it mean no one in a television or audio show can use the word twitt? I mean Twitter...TWIT...they have 3 more letters and their brand is based on communication not entertainment. Give up the ghost against Twitter by now dude. IF they were doing what you were doing MAYBE but what you are saying is noone can use the letters T W I or T .... don't become the next Monster.
- Sidney
Defend. No retreat. No surrender.
- Barry Biddlecomb
from twhirl
Sidney, it means they can't use twit as part of their brand if they go into the areas Leo's trademark covers. We are talking about branding here.
- russellcoleman
Again, Twitter is a communication company looking to capitalize on providing television content the ability to have immediate interactive component...Nothing that TWIT does...so no infringement. Leo has always had the axe to grind with Twitter...if he was going to do something he should have done it immediately...
- Sidney
My understanding is that Twitter is going to have a TV show and that may infringe. My point above was to the suggestion that no one could say the word twit.
- russellcoleman
@Christopher Carr, I meant that twitting has become a generic expression going far beyond Twitter. Here on friendfeed we are twitting, an these lines are in fact twits... :)
- Cem ARGUN
As an anecdote, until now I thought TWiT was something twitter related, and I basically ignored it for that reason. I have learned over time that I'm often not a good representative of anything, but there was certainly brand confusion in my case.
- Robin Barooah
Robin: You're not alone. I thought TWiT was Twitter-related too :(
- Tech Introvert
At first, yep, I thought Twit spawned Twitter. But in a few nanoseconds, I knew otherwise. But in the mind of 'ordinary' (horrible term, sorry) user coming at Twit from Twitter surely they'll get the idea. But Twitter is SO pervasive, I'm glad that you've decided to take advice. I know nothing, but I feel you should protect your brand. Don't change your name. Change the game. On another tack, you checked out http://audioboo.fm ?
- John C Wesley Barker
"Again, Twitter is a communication company looking to capitalize on providing television content the ability to have immediate interactive component." - Sidney That is exactly what Leo's doing
- Anton Tanderup
news of twitter tv just hit the local abc news. they mentioned there's already direct opposition by celebrities ashton & demi who (according to their tweets) will quit twitter if this reality show sees the light of day (paraphrasing). this could mean -as they say & putting it lightly- 'my enemy's enemy is my friend?' odd yet amusing opposition from the hollywood. however, no mentions of twit and leo. :-\
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Twitter can look to capitalize on providing television content the ability to have immediate interactive component all they want. But I don't think they should do it in a way that can cause any confusion between them and Leo's network.
- russellcoleman
Sorry the only confusion people have had is what Leo has brought to the table himself. He should have stepped up long ago if he felt Twitter was going to create confusion and admittably it has and TWIT and Twitter don't even cross streams. I know for one if Leo wastes his money on litigation I for will be disappointed and believe it will harm the TWIT brand.
- Sidney
i know this thread is too long to read for many. re-quoting what leo said here for those who keep saying he should have stepped up long ago: "Ev told me that when they were considering names for Twitter they knew about TWiT and decided it didn't matter. In their defense, they had no idea what or how big Twitter was to become. We talked about trademark early on and both agreed there was no conflict _as long as we were in different spaces_. And therein lies the rub. - Leo Laporte"
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Very tough choice. I think these comments provide you with a fairly good sample of public opinion from people in tech, but it would be interesting to get input from the rest of the world on Twitter who have never heard of TWiT. It certainly won't cost much to send in a warning shot so they take notice and to demonstrate defense of your TM, but I would follow that up with a request to...
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- Phil Ashman
Give it up Leo ... You may win the battle ,, but you wont win the War IMHO ,, Unless you have deeper pockets than Twitter ... is your time/money worth fighting over it ? Only *you* can answer that!
- johnpiercy
This twitter thing is just a flash in the pan, you can wait them out ;-)
- Wolfman-K
If he fights and loses, at least he defended it, which is required to keep it. If Leo does nothing, he could lose it.
- Bwana ☠
How do people feel about Monster Cable suing companies that use the word Monster in their name? I feel the same here...except that Twitter just happens to have the same four LETTERS as Twit, as the beginning. They arent using Twit as a standalone word. C'mon.
- Andru Edwards
The only justification I can see in Leo going after Twitter is so that he can at least show he is defending his TM so he doesn't lose it as Bwana said...otherwise I think it is a losing game that will be a waste of resources that TWIT could utilize in other productive pursuits.
- Sidney
The Monster Cable example doesn't really work. They were suing companies that were in different spaces. Now with Twitter doing a TV show, that is in the same space as TWIT and Leo has the trademark for it.
- Mike Child
Everyone should read this: http://blog.twitter.com/2009... It has been linked a few times in this discussion up above, but bears linking again based on recent comments - From what I can tell, it doesn't look like twitter will have a tv show - so this whole point is moot - leo may have to defend his trademark against these 'other' shows if they use the word twit in their name, but i don't think they will
- Chris Heath
Leo -This is a battle that will be HELL. Yet, it is critical you fight it. I had a couple situations very much like it in telecommunications late '80s early '90s. I should have fought. Give them a run for their money. It will cost you $$ and resources. But, with Twitter's new direction - man - you're a journalist at heart... You already know - you've got to fight for your right!
- Arleen Anderson
Man this is a tough position to be in. Honestly, I can't see TWiT or Twitter changing brands/names. However, Leo, you were first and you have the trademark to back it up. I say defend it!
- Doug Jones
Biz responds to the Twitter TV show on the blog: http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
- Doug Jones
not reading the thread befire i comment... but seems to me that TWITTER does not equal TWIT. what else is their to know?
- sull
Leo, I think the law is very clear, if you don't defend your trademark you may lose it.
- David Angel
from twhirl
Leo a firestorm is brewing over twitter tv http://www.nydailynews.com/tech_gu...
- dday
Make them pay you a million in cold hard cash for the TWIT name and change your name to TWIG - This Week In Goodness :-)
- Richard Bitting
When you see such services as "TwitThat" (http://twitthat.com/), with that spelling of "tweet", there is an incredible amount of confusion waiting to happen !
- arnaudt
arnaudt, good point. and again... TWiT does NOT = twitter - so leo has no case. twitter themselves dont use 'twit' in any way. they barely if at all use 'tweet' in any way. they began as 'twtr' in like 2006. twitter is NOT an abbreviation for anything as TWiT is. twitter is not solely behind producing an entertainment property.. they are granting rights to others to do so and in some...
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- sull
sull, TWIT does NOT have to = twitter for Leo to have a case. People just have to be confused enough to adversely impact, or even potentially impact, Leo's business.
- Chris Gardner
Chris, i think it does for him to have a 'good' case. You cannot prevent Twitter from letting media entities use twitter as part or their 'shows', even if twitter as some levell of partnership. In the end, it will cost Leo money to lose a trademark case. Proving, for example, that an MTV show tentatively named 'what you're watching' that uses twitter and facebook etc as fundemental components for audience interaction has any negative effect to the TWiT podcast.
- sull
sull, there just needs to be a likelihood of confusion. The Court there announced eight specific elements to measure likelihood of confusion: Strength of the mark - Proximity of the goods - Similarity of the marks - Evidence of actual confusion - Marketing channels used - Type of goods and the degree of care likely to be exercised by the purchaser - Defendant's intent in selecting the mark - Likelihood of expansion of the product lines
- Chris Gardner
Oh, and TWiT is not just a podcast. It is a live streaming net video network. There are on and off talks to take to cable also.
- Chris Gardner
Chris, thanks for pointing those elements of liklihood. Still, i think that even for the case to have a leg to stand on, twitter would need to have a 'show' specifically named in a way that may cause confusion. That has not happened. Trying to prevent the word 'twitter' from being used at all in marketing and branding via "visual and audio performances" because of the TWiT trademark seems a stretch and will prob result in negative publicity for Leo. Anyway, maybe we'll see. Interesting.
- sull
sull, agreed interesting. Also, this will probably not go anywhere near the courts. Ev Williams and Leo know each other and get along (not many in the industry that Leo does not get along with). They will work things out.
- Chris Gardner
For those who are unaware, people have to take action to protect their brands otherwise they lose their trademark. My suggestions and observations: 1. Look for win-win 2. It all seems moot anyway http://blog.twitter.com/2009... tho this is a fascinating thread 3. If twitter did ever go ahead with this it would be a fairly simple compromise for them to...
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- Isha (Marysia)
You need to defend it. I don't know that you'll stop twitter from launching their show but you have to fight it to keep your trademark valid. You for sure need to go after twitvid.com and twitvideo.com!
- The Griff
Defend the trademark. It could make the difference on winning a future trademark case with another company.
- David Ebaugh
Defend it. It was your long before Twitter was even around. Like someone else said what is the point of calling your network that if as soon as a bigger fish comes along you cave. Don't give in to the man Leo!
- Mr. Thomas
Leo. I am not a lawyer and don't play one on the Internet. It sounds like you have no real case against Twitter, but the producers of the rumored tv show are a different story. Even then, it depends on what they are doing with the subject matter. Is it *about* Twitter, or simply about people who use Twitter? Will they ever use the term, "twit" in the show? It certainly couldn't hurt to...
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- Jake Overton
While this is getting a lot of buzz now, it didn't even occur to me till it was posted. I think both have built their brands, both have similar sounding names but are different. Isn't TWiT an acronym? I would be more concerned with TWiB (This week in Baseball) going after Leo if he goes on TV as his show title is clearly a play on theirs, and not Leo being concerned about Twitter... ;) Either way Leo, you got some free publicity for your program/site out of this.
- mike wood
Let's not forget that use of anything in an editorial context is considered fair use.
- Ryan Brodkin
I also feel that you have an opportunity for even more publicity if you can work the TWiT shows into the TV show, joining them rather than fighting them. You will get publicity either way, but there seems to be a high road and a low road (or perception thereof). Good luck and keep up the great shows.
- Jake Overton
Leo fight them.
- johnny
we neec to fight for TWIT
- Richard Thomson
So far I don't think there is a conflict with Twitter, unless there is a Twitter TV show. Although you should fight sites like http://twitvid.io . Plus if you win, you could have an awesome domain for video downloads when you want to offer them.
- Mister IQ
Apparently there's a popular twitter client app in Japan called "Twit" http://wakoopa.com/softwar... It's the first "twit" result on Google Japan and Yahoo Japan.
- KyleHase
I am now switching over to make friendfeed my official twitter client.
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Why?
- Tadhg Kelly
because friendfeed rocks!!! thats why :)
- (jeff)isageek
seriously though...I am using friendfeed more and more and now with saved searches I can create friends lists and pull just their twitter messages and follow them like i would with tweetdeck or whatever. once saved searches go real time that will be awesome!
- (jeff)isageek
plus if someone is not signed up for friendfeed or not streaming their twitter posts...no problem...just create an imaginary friend and there you go!
- (jeff)isageek
I'll join you this week, when I start back Twitter-ing. been on friendfeed only since sat. yes it rocks!
- Wayne Sutton
from BuddyFeed
jeff what about mobile/iphone updates that you want to post on friendfeed then to twitter ? I'm using buddyfeed now and don't think there is a way...
- Wayne Sutton
from BuddyFeed
wayne yeah that would be one mobile limitation of using friendfeed as your twitter client at this time that I can think of. without saying every posted message via friendfeed goes to twitter I dont think that is possible.
- (jeff)isageek
what would be kool is if friendfeed would add like a switch command like say #tw or something that tells the system. ok post this via my mobile to friendfeed but also post it to twitter.
- (jeff)isageek
as a matter of fact i think i will add that to the friendfeed feedback as an option i would like to see
- (jeff)isageek
Yeah, it already is half way there for me as well. I don't have too many imaginary friends though, but I'm with you on this.
- Parth Awasthi
the other issue with twitter messages is obviously to get the @ replies they would have to be one of your friends. so you might have to check twitter.com from time to time to see if someone you are not following @ messaged you. you could grab the rss feed of twitter search but it doesnt show you the name of the person who sent the message in the rss feed.
- (jeff)isageek
Today, I unfollowed anyone on twitter who had an FF account, and subscribed to them here. Down to 100 people. One of them joined FF, but he made a good point when he said FF needed more effort than twitter (initially, at least). People need to setup a personal "system" (lists + filters) before they can reap the advantages FF has over twitter.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan yes...I think people who say friendfeed sucks or dont understand how it can help them have not found the saved searches. those things are really key to getting so much more out of friendfeed then watching your home stream fly by.
- (jeff)isageek
Do you think it would be a good idea for FF to provide a "template" of sort ? I think they provided some default lists in the old site, perhaps they should provide some group subscriptions, some default, common filters ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
i think really the main thing is just us the friendfeed junkies blogging and just talking about how awesome the saved searches are and how powerful they can be.
- (jeff)isageek
i think if your average user or even power user who is not familiar with them see's and hears about them in action they will be like wow that is a great feature and a reason to use friendfeed other then to create a stream of all your activities
- (jeff)isageek
Hmm. Is there a useful guide anywhere that explains how to set this up? I'd be interested to try it out but find a lot of how friendfeed works kind of complicated and I don't usually have the time to dig into it.
- Tadhg Kelly
Tadhg if you are looking for info on the saved search stuff i recommend checking out the FF saved searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss as well as bwana did a great show on the power of them http://sn.im/gdmxs
- (jeff)isageek
In fact, if you think about it FF doesn't have one killer feature as such. Lists, Discussions, Searches, Likes - they're all subtle tools that can be used in diverse ways. I guess we just need to demonstrate them to our friends.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I think this whole discussion is a prime example of how much communicating with a large group is so much better on friendfeed then twitter. can you imagine coming in 5 messages ago and getting what has all been said by following @ replies and we could never have the threaded conversation and long responses.
- (jeff)isageek
1up jeff
- BEX
I would be 100% on FriendFeed now if I weren't running a service that had Twitter support. It's a much more cozy environment.
- Jesse Stay
i hear ya jesse I really liked your blog post about using twitter with gmail and started using it. great way to do it...but it all came back to me wanting to get as much as I can into friendfeed and staying at this great place :)
- (jeff)isageek
Next step, turn off Twitter on FriendFeed! Weaning yourself from the tit - er twitter - is painful but strangely satisfying.
- Leo Laporte
Twitter is the worst part of friendfeed! As people have said, it's the little differences that make ff what it is!
- Chris Lloyd
that would be a big step leo. I dont know if i am ready to go that far yet. I still have a lot of friends who use twitter that i want to keep in touch with so for now I will stick around there :) but i am slowly making the move towards what you are saying for sure.
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff, you could post from here, turn off your Twitter stream (since it would be duplicate content anyway), and use TweetBeep to track mentions of your name. No more Twitter. :-)
- Jesse Stay
If you use PeopleBrowsr you don't need to switch. Just open a stack with your friendfeed. You can make combined lists from both twitter and friendfeed in PeopleBrowsr
- Svartling
some good thoughts there jesse!! hmmm
- (jeff)isageek
svartling i have started playing around with PeopleBrowsr a bit. need to check it out some more.
- (jeff)isageek
There are just _too_ many tools now, seesmic, peoplebrowsr, tons of websites that do things atop twitter....
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
And I mean that in a negative sense.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan yeah there are a few tools out there :) plus with different services out there it can make for an interesting plan of attack to keep up with everyone.
- (jeff)isageek
wow this has really turned into a big discussion :)
- (jeff)isageek
I'm with Jeff on this one. And probably the biggest reason is the quality of the content and users on FF. I over followed a ton of people on Twitter, and it's kinda too much work do go in and unfollow a bunch of people. So, I'm finding myself more in FF. And, it's easier to find good users via the comments they leave and the rooms they belong to. (However, I will admit that I could do some of that in Twitter via searches. But I'd still have to do all that unfollowing)
- Bill Bittner
my only thing about peoplebrowsr is I am trying to get away from things like tweetdeck or whatever. and just have friendfeed as my base of social web operations.
- (jeff)isageek
Jesse, can you point TweetBeep directly to FF via the email feed or does it need to verify the address?
- CAJ, somewhere else
jesse back to your thought of killing my twitter stream on friendfeed...I feel like that should be up to people who follow me. if they dont want my twitter posts or want to get rid of the duplication then they can hide those entries. but I feel like I should supply all my streams here and let everyone do with it what they want.
- (jeff)isageek
i think with tweetbeep you can grab an rss feed cant you jesse?
- (jeff)isageek
i grabbed the rss feed from tweetbeep and basically since it just uses twitter search to get its data it never shows who the tweet was from without clicking it. so i couldnt pull that rss feed in here and see oh hey so and so just @ replied me without taking extra steps. now the email funtionality does show you the user you @ replied you.
- (jeff)isageek
interesting idea there about the email feed though alan but yeah i think when i signed up for tweetbeep i had to verify the email address
- (jeff)isageek
Well, the Twitter search rss gives you a direct link to the tweet, which contains the person's nick: http://twitter.com/persons...
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Jeff, I'm testing it out now. Stand by!
- CAJ, somewhere else
yeah but Ahsan it would be nice to just see it in your friendfeed stream or whatever and just know who it was from rather then having to click away from the service
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff, but if your Twitter stream is exactly the same as your FriendFeed stream is there really reason to keep it?
- Jesse Stay
point taken Jesse
- (jeff)isageek
Alan, you can add the RSS I think - haven't tried. I prefer e-mail because it ensures I don't miss anything.
- Jesse Stay
ah forget it I think I am just gonna move everything back to myspace :)
- (jeff)isageek
jesse and thinking about your idea of just pulling your twitter feed if someone really wanted to have my twitter feed for filtering purposes they could just create and imaginary me and pull the data that way.
- (jeff)isageek
Hmmm, so tweetbeep notification made it into FF okay by changing my email in tweetbeep to iphwin@friendfeed.com (http://friendfeed.com/iphwin...). However, it didn't show any information about who it came from. Well, unless because *I* sent it, it shows from me. lol, that make any sense?
- CAJ, somewhere else
ok i went ahead and pulled my twitter posts from my friendfeed profile.
- (jeff)isageek
PeopleBrowser can be overwhelming in the beginning, but when you get it, you will never use anything else. I'm both a Twitter and FriendFeed freak and this tool is perfect for both. Plus much more. You can even get blogsearch streams and other RSS Feeds in realtime!
- Svartling
Svartling that is pretty kool but I still think going that route means I have to give up time on the actual friendfeed site which is what I am striving to do with the changes I am making and bringing both twitter and friendfeed together the best I can here at FriendFeed.com
- (jeff)isageek
Ok. I understand but you can do that in PeopleBrowsr too ;) But I know what you mean. Good luck.
- Svartling
but I will keep playing around with PeopleBrowsr too though. I might find it to be a better fit after a few days :) I am all about trying new things and new ideas. that is what is great about this whole conversation...bouncing ideas off of each other...talking about our thoughts and ideas on this little subject, ect.
- (jeff)isageek
Yeah that's true. I just want to let you know that PeopleBrowsr exists as an Adobe AIR app too if you prefer that. I prefer the web version.
- Svartling
Jeff just got 4 stars in my book. :-)
- Jesse Stay
from email
haha well good to know Jesse :)
- (jeff)isageek
If it werent for friendfeed, my twitter account would still be rotting away.
- Ron Wening
My experiments with tweetbeep ended in a wash. There didn't seem to be any advantage to using that service (feeding into FF via email) and using a custom RSS feed from Twitter Search. So, I'll keep the RSS feed going to my Twitter Friends group and continue with my regularly scheduled program, already in progess.
- CAJ, somewhere else
just checking out www.flock.com
- Dominik Schneider
with some development and add ons this could be a great alternative to friendfeed (or friendfeed will be integrated into flock)
- Dominik Schneider
FWIW: We are adding additional FriendFeed functionality into PeopleBrowsr this week "Home" feed and "My Discussions" were added last night, and live-testing today. We expect to have even more functionality (Lists and Rooms) coming in the very near future. Please let us know what you think when you try it :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I recently made the switch too
- Johnny
I'm just not sure you can really make FriendFeed into a full featured twitter client. You don't see everything. I even bring in a feed of my @replies from search.twitter, but those are of limited use since I can't actually use them to communicate with people who aren't FriendFeed users. or am I just missing something?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good move - congratulations -
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Rob, if you check "Include entry description as a comment" on that custom RSS feed it'll show who it's from. You could then start a new post with a @reply to that person. Very kludgey, eh?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Never got really in love with Twitter, but i grow to like FriendFeed more and more each day.
- Ralph
Alan: yes I could go through a bunch of hoops to do it, just seems too much trouble
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, since we as users can manage a workaround, I'm hoping that the FriendFeed folks could figure something more streamlined and automatic.
- CAJ, somewhere else
While at one point I might have agreed with you Alan, I've since become a heavy believer in the multi-network "social-desktop" client, and prefer all my data to come in through a single window. To effectively FriendFeed requires more screens than I have. I find the FF web site basically insufficient for this reason. With access to my Lists and the Rooms I'm subscribed to, I'll get more...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yeah, good call - i switched to only ff awhile ago and ignored twitter but now the two tools are mostly seamless together
- mike "glemak" dunn
i love using friendfeed more, too!
- Egyirba
Nice move!
- Nicholas James
Most of my friends on Twitter are not on FF so I have them as Imaginary Friends. This is OK for reading their tweets. Also it gets round the recent @reply changes by Twitter. I can again see their @replies to other people I don't follow. BUT, I can't have FF conversations involving them because they are not on FF. Also I can't see who my twitter friends replies are directed to and then...
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- By_tor
By_tor, migrate them to Friendfeed.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
try setting up an rss feed of your @name_twitter
- mike "glemak" dunn
Very interesting discussion over here about making FriendFeed your Twitter client. While I've thought about it in the past, there are some serious drawbacks. I'd much rather be able to import my full "with friends" RSS feed from Twitter and do some serious keyword filtering on it (have played around with using Thunderbird - Mozilla's Email client - for that purpose using the message...
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- Alex Schleber
I've done this for a few months, although sometimes I get sucked into a discussion (sometimes local folks, sometimes a customer, or potenial customer) back on Twitter. (But this starts with Twitter searches aggregated by FriendFeed.) Having a conversation is more important than choice of software, especially when the software costs nothing.
- Wade Dorrell
I started setting up imaginary friends yesterday for folks on Twitter who don't have a FF account. I did about 50 of them yesterday. I must have hit a limit because after a certain point I wasn't allowed to create any new groups. I kept getting an Access Denied page. Anyone know what the daily limit on creating groups is?
- Mark Wilson
The biggest problem with using FF as my Twitter client is not being able to create imaginary friends for folks who have protected Twitter accounts. I have a number of people I follow who have their accounts locked down. This doesn't help me to use FF as a Twitter client.
- Mark Wilson
Mark not sure about the limitations thing. guess i have been lucky and everyone I follow pretty much is setup on friendfeed so i only had to create a handful of imaginary ones.
- (jeff)isageek
yeah protected accounts can cause an issue as well. as you know already :)
- (jeff)isageek
I basically don't have people from FF on Twitter. I figure if you're here, I'll read your tweets here. I can DM you here so I don't add you on Twitter. It made reading my Twitter feed easier but it's a nightmare to create all these imaginary friends. Come on FF, make it easier!
- Mark Wilson
Yes Mark I agree, one thing FF could do to help people migrate from Twitter is a one-step process to turn all your Twitter followers who are not also on FF into Imaginary friends. A solution to the locked twitter accounts would also be useful although I don't have any of them. It also slightly annoys me that when you post on FF the copy sent to twitter has a FF link at the end. Anyway of disabling that?
- By_tor
All domains officially off Yahoo. Feels good. GoDaddy, I'm looking at you next.
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where did you move them too?
- sean andersen
Who's the lucky new home of your domains?
- The Other Drummer
I dropped godaddy a few years ago, it felt really good. I'm more than happy to pay for non-shady-companies.
- matthew john ernisse
I never recommended Yahoo, but what's wrong with godaddy?
- Eric Standlee
I bought a com domain via google the first year was $1.99 and for the second year they wanted $30! I stick to 1and1 for $6 year.
- Tony Speer
Is the godaddy move as a result of Leo?
- Chris Lloyd
Good on ya. I'm slowly moving mine away from GoDaddy too. just can't handle their underhanded business practices and lowest common denominator marketing.
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
Where are you exactly moving to? I am in need of several domain names, yet I need a .tv domain name. Any help would be appreciated.
- Zachary TG
Tony: 1and1 were pretty rubbish when I dealt with them and feedback from other people I know they felt the same regarding they're experience with 1and1
- Nicholas James
Ryan: Where are you moving them to? I moved all mine over to Godaddy they're customer support (well the UK one) has been excellent too never had to wait on the phone when I've needed them.
- Nicholas James
I've got a few at Netfirms. It's not too bad as far as I can tell.
- Vezquex: God of FF
For the UK I've only had good experiences with 123-reg... seemed to be something to do with Pipex... been really reliable and helpful
- Chris Lloyd
Consider Tucows: b/c CEO Elliot Noss (@enoss) is fantastic, responsive, smart, totally wonderful, and would love to have you.
- Denise Howell
Save it folks, Ryan doesn't live here (4 comments total on his FriendFeed account, the last one in February).
- Sprague D
1UP Sprague...and the original entry was fed in from Twitter.
- Derrick
funny how we can all gather around someone's idea that isn't here to see any of the conversation, and still get value out of it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
ryan (who doesn't live here, but would have to see this at some point ;-)), happy to help. check out http://hover.com . it is our (Tucows) retail service. same goes for any of you. best url forwarding for domains possible. denise thrives with it!
- enoss
Then I suppose you will look at Apple after that...?
- Jude
I was planning a blog post about the TWiT trademark, and I will write a longer post eventually, but for now that's been pre-empted by my post here and the extraordinary conversation that developed around it. There are far more comments (and coverage) from ff than my piddly blog could ever get. I'm beginning to get it. Real-time works!
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here here!
- Zee.
Twitter out. FF and TWiT in :D
- Anton Tanderup
just like with distributing your content in various places, the more places you get the word out the better. :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Twitter may be a good place to ask your question, but FF seems to be the place to get it answered.
- phil baumann
LOL I couldn't see what was so special about real time too but after a couple of weeks it sinked in. It's just amazing how indepth convosations get and how useful
- AV
Just because we can't see each others faces doesn't matter anymore.
- Randy Pollock
phil: Never heard ff and twitter summed up so well! Brilliant line!
- Chris Lloyd
++ phil
- Micah Wittman
I am not understand how twitter is more engaging than friendfeed... on twitter I got frustrated early because I want to truly "follow" a conversation not watch a buch of @ replies going around randomly... While I fully get the fact that direct responses are cool, community feedback to me is much more useful because a follower can see a point of view other than their own
- Nathan McClain
FF is good, and conversations are easy to develop and follow, but if all your friends are "normal" people not nerds and are just on Twitter and not interested/tech savvy enough to get a FF account too then it is a lot less useful. In fact it is relegated to "just" being an alternative twitter client. It has some advantages in this role, especially over the main Twitter web page although...
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- By_tor
I agree. I wish FF could pick up some more momentum.. It would be way more useful.
- kozmic
Glympse - Share Your Where - http://www.glympse.com/
metalerik liked this
Love the idea of this site, share your location for a limited time, once it's on iphone I'll be downloading!
- Chris Lloyd
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Can FF be configured to pull in all my Twitter followees (even those without FF accounts)? It seems to only pull in folks with FF accounts.
Michael Millette, metalerik, Andrea Sturm and 3 other people liked this
Kenneth, me too, Paul mentioned they were working on something but that was a few weeks ago.
- Kol Tregaskes
The hard way, I suppose would be to pull in all the feeds for each of the people you are following. Maybe if you created a private group and add all those feeds in the group?
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Well that will be fun to try anyway ... Thnx
- Kenneth McGraw
Kenneth : only problem with that is that you can't see who posted what. (unless you mouseover "Twitter" and look at the link to the person's profile. Back to the drawing board!
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
I want this feature too! :)
- Svartling
Would be good, but we need the option to stick them in another feed (not home) until they realise how good ff is. Maybe a reason this isn't implemented is ff would rather you recruit your friends!
- Chris Lloyd
If I understand correctly, imaginary friends should do what you want http://friendfeed.com/setting... . It's just really time consuming (hoping this is the thing being worked on) to do one by one. With imaginary friends, I can again see who the post is from (Like Nathalie said, the group way made it so you couldn't see who posted). I've done a few of my favorites so far and just pasted in their image.
- metalerik
Digital TV is no different from analog: the only broadcast station that ALWAYS comes in clear is the religious channel.
Ken Morley, David Chartier, Kevin Borders and 2 other people liked this
So... TV ISN'T the tool of the devil!
- Johnny Worthington
Nah, only the clear stuff is "god-approved"
- Chris Lloyd
I find the same is true regarding commercials
- Kevin Borders
You'd never believe these pictures were taken in the North West of Scotland. - http://www.flickr.com/groups...
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If you have anything to say, please comment, I'm not normally a photographer, but these pictures just seemed to good to miss
- Chris Lloyd
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Sushi boat for @blam's birthday! So much good food. http://yfrog.com/13o0pj
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Tweetie for iPhone started using it as the default. Can't seem to find a way to change it, but I don't really care either way....
- Veronica
i've complained to atebits about this. unlike other twitter apps, tweetie's option for image host is found in the iphone's very own settings. scroll all the way down to applications section then integration and you'll find it there.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
ah, good tip, thanks!
- Veronica
in the meantime, does anyone have a personal favorite between twitpic and yfrog?
- Veronica
yfrog definitely, seems to have been a few broken links with twitpic recently.
- Chris Lloyd
Yea i like yfrog better also
- Fee501st
Don't use them much but have noticed a few people using mobypicture now instead. Seems pretty reliable.
- Amy
The one thing mobypicture don't seem to understand is the importance of a short URL
- Chris Lloyd
yfrog isn't working for me at work but twitpic is. Probably because of the URL redirection.
- Sylvain Nadeau
Chris: ahhh, fair point - I wouldn't notice that sorry, I've got the er...un-shortening greasemonkey script on the go
- Amy
I assume most of the people disagreeing about the Pre's text selection method haven't actually tried Apple's way. It's okay, but not great.
Chris Lloyd liked this
I like apple's method in the very latest betas, it's become slowly more refined as the betas were released. Seems almost intuitive now!
- Chris Lloyd
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