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I'd like to reiterate my call for Facebook to open source the Friendfeed codebase (as AOL did when it bought Netscape). A federated OpenFriendfeed is the best for users - and fits Facebook's move toward an open social platform. I'll pay to run a server. Would you?
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I agree with this fully.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I can't imagine that the terms of the acquisition would permit this to happen. Oh, wait... Facebook take FriendFeed open source? Maybe in two or three years after they squeeze every bit of life out of it, ala Google/Jaiku
- Ken Sheppardson
Would that mean there would be dozens of Friendfeeds all trying to get us to come to them?
- Mark
I support this fully
- Ryan
yes what about a free GAE
- abdellah
Oh I agree. But with Facebook's record? HAHAH! Oh god, I need a mint.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I'll file this away under "Never Gonna Happen"...
- Andrew Terry
Jaiku is not dead. It was bought for a reason, and yes, it will resurface soon. you just wait n see.
- binmugahid
yes
- andy brudtkuhl
I agree with Andrew...
- Suril Amin
I don't think I'd pay, but I'd love to have it open source
- Jake Anderson
Worked for AOL. We got Mozilla and they got a much improved Netscape.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, I think you have a little too much "hope" on this. Maybe you're just thinking if Facebook was smart, then they'd do that.
- Mark
Facebook is much smarter than you're giving them credit for. I think.
- Leo Laporte
great idea Leo, i'm 'cautiously optimistic' at this point in time about the future of FriendFeed... lets hope for the best people
- Chris Heath
There is no value in that to them. Why open source something that give them a competitive edge.
- binmugahid
I do not agree. It destroyed netscape. let Facebook use the best features of FriendFeed in it. Keep the talent like the four ex-google founders. Open source is not the answer to everything. sometimes Closed Source is better for the users as well. Just keep the innovations coming and it will be fine
- hasanahmad
They've got the Friendfeed team. That's probably what they really wanted. Getting the open source community working on the FF codebase and contributing it back to Facebook is a win for everyone.
- Leo Laporte
On the other hand, I ike to see Laconica (identi.ca) getting more like ff.
- Chanux
Wow did this just happen today?
- bravestface
yesterday
- Chris Heath
Open-sourcing Communicator may have ultimately destroyed Netscape as a brand but without that move, I suspect we'd all still be developing for IE6. Great call, Leo.
- Jared Smith
Excellent idea Leo.
- Adi
I just can't stand Facebook. To many people I let in from my youth that I don;t want to see
- bravestface
Yes.
- .LAG liked that
You're assuming that Facebook bought the company JUST to get the developers, and not because they want to integrate many/most of the features into their service. If they want the features, they don't want a bunch of clones competing with them.
- Joel Bennett
I'll send you a hefty donation for that Leo.
- jcunwired
bravestface: That's not FB's fault you let them in. sheesh.
- Gus
when will twitter be back up any 1 know
- daveccorey
There already is an open source clone of twitter - see identi.ca and laconia or whatever it's called
- Doug Holton
True. very True Gus. My own fault. Perhaps I need to setup an Alias account that encompasses what i really want
- bravestface
I already run a Laconica server at http://army.twit.tv - I don't think we need another Twitter clone. We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer.
- Leo Laporte
hay hay hay, sin duda un tema un tanto escabrozo, pero entre Facebook y Google, esto no lleva a nada bueno.. i'ts a hard theme, no doubt about that, but between facebook and google we are going to hell !!!!!!
- Đoи яамoη
Or Pushbutton?
- bravestface
This would be amazing.
- Adam Teece
The Wave *protocal* might be a part of the answer... or just giving yourself over to whatever Google wants you to use might work (i.e. Wave, Reader, Gtalk, etc.)... but I don't really see Wave asdirect 1-for-1 FF replacement.
- Ken Sheppardson
Too many systems in place
- bravestface
They open sourced the Facebook code base (fbopen)... the license is very restrictive, however. FB owns all code modifications. Probably be the same license for FF.
- Kurt
In know people that have replaced their email with Twitter....that just isn't right...we need one locator that many systems can reach
- bravestface
Great idea Leo. Now let's see what they do, if they're listening.
- Kelly Mitchell
Leo - your last comment is why I think Facebook bought Friendfeed: "We need something more like Friendfeed. Or maybe Wave will be the answer." This is going to be a product they will launch in opposition of Google Wave. It will surface Q1 of 2010 and will have some of the same features that Wave has - but be closed sourced to Facebook.
- Jeff Vreeland
I see what you mean. Facebook and Google though don't really open source their web apps
- Doug Holton
Facebook doesn't seem to have a good reputation with those kind of thing. Facebook promised to open their chat/IM system via XMPP. More than a year has passed since they announced this XMPP system it still did not happen. We still have to rely on screen-scraping methods to implement Facebook chat on third-party IM systems (like the 3rd party Facebook chat plugin for pidgin called pidgin-facebook).
- Gideon Guillen
I would love to see friendfeed become opensource. Mostly as a developer I would love to see the code. See how friendfeed works.
- mikemcmullan
An "open FriendFeed" could be Facebook's chance to get something lined up to compete with Google Wave. Without it, Google and Twitter are going to own the real-time communication space.
- Derek Gathright
Completly agree!
- Jamie-Lee Mclean-Davis
from Nambu
Open source is the way to so that "The poeple" can do what they want or to a program. E.I. www.Openssourcemaps.com
- D Lets
from iPhone
Absolutely.
- Ian Littman
OS FF would be awesome, but making it a federated service is an entirely different ball of wax. Just ask the Wave guys. They said during the original IO presentation that federation was one of the harder parts (though FF would be easier w/o the real time editing piece, but still).
- Patrick Sullivan
OS FF
- Malcolm Bastien
I think a integrated RSS/FB/FF/GW/Twitter client will be an interesting real time inflection point
- Jim Posner
I totally agree Leo. I can't help but think that this deal is going to be a massive success or a massive flop - nothing in the middle! It's simple things like opening the FF source that can help make it a massive success IMHO.
- Chris Cathcart
correction: Http://www.openstreetmap.org
- D Lets
from iPhone
I would just like to see the real-time commenting open-sourced.
- patrick
wow Leo you sure know how to get a topic started
- Joe Geeting
I would. It is hard using Friendfeed now not knowing its fate.
- Hunt
from BuddyFeed
I actually was hoping Twitter would be the one to grab it up. Seems like a natural progression for Twitter to make. I just hope Facebook doesn't bury it and they actually use it. As far as open source it? Could be interesting.
- Michael Bower
In a secure and closed environment it could be a powerful communication/collaboration tool for businesses. Features of a chat, but persistent. Ability to share photos & files...
- Ken Bauer
definently
- Ryan Peach
Right-o
- Myrddin Emrys
I would love for this to happen. Federated Friendfeed servers would be quite fun and is the logical step for a great Internet service which aggregates disparate information from all over.
- rob friedman
You know what, Jaiku was open sourced. And nobody uses it anymore. The fact that "it" (FB open sourcing FF) will happen or not is completely irrelevant. Because you will all be hopping on the next early adopter miracle train (read:service) anyway. So stop whining and move on. Federated this, federated that. identi.ca tried that. Again, no users. It's nice to talk the talk. Especially at times like this. You just gotta walk the darn walk afterwards. Which people usually forget to do.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Whoa... you should enhance your calm. Communities are finicky things and sources like Microsoft that are poo-pooing Open Source IMHO is the real problem. Me thinks that a better source of education to dissipate the FUD floating in the global porcelain bowel instead of modern political tactics are are needed to solve real problems.
- Myrddin Emrys
very good proposition, i'd pay
- Brian Appleby
Leo, like this idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
adoption of open standards such as OMB, which is used by laconica, would allow federation among servers
- Mike Chelen
It will one hell of a start, I doubt it though...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
It would be a good thing, but not sure it it will ever happen
- Thomas Lee
I support this as well.
- Carlos Ayala
Now this is something I would fly out to support at the launch...
- Johnny Worthington
Another reason why Leo kicks ass
- Mo Kargas
If FriendFeed went open source identi.ca / lamonica would be dealt a serious blow. FriendFeed could become even more powerful if the people could tinker with the code and add many features that remain missing, or strengthen features that currently are weak. It will be interesting to se how FB utilizes their newest acquisition...
- Randy Shapiro
FYI, there's already an open source alternative: http://www.fftogo.com/e...
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
absolutley ;)
- Kenneth Reitz
i would pay
- cheapsuits
ive all ready got a amp for 5 bucks 4 twitter that was suspsose to help twitter run better guess what it dont
- daveccorey
no definitely not. it would shift everything to Chinese government... Damn, millions would have their rest life in prisons.
- xiawinter
http://kennethreitz.com/blog...
- Kenneth Reitz
Coming soon...
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Seriously. You're killin' me here.
- Akiva Moskovitz
A dark wizard... A galaxy torn asunder... A cop on the edge...
- Paul Buchheit
:] .. more pictures of the Friendfeed world? :]
- Petr Buben
FriendFeed Colon ...
- Ana
We like the results of the FF martini lunches :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
More....!
- WorldofHiglet
New office?
- LouCypher
The new office appears to cause male pattern baldness in minifigs. You really should get that checked.
- DGentry
That looks sweet!
- Emily Miller
so...you have a shrink-ray and you're all gonna fit in there?!? 'Cos I would hold out for something a little more likely to pass building regs if I were you!
- WorldofHiglet
This is getting good.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, the fun has just begun :)
- Ross Miller
this new, progressive Friendfeed Public Relations product sign up ad campaign :]
- Petr Buben
sweet!
- TheHenry
Awesome indeed
- Jaap Willem
She's not my girlfriend. I find her interesting because she's a client and she sleeps above her covers... four feet above her covers!
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one of the best movies ever made
- Chris Patterson
Twitter heading off editorial cliff? (Scripting News). The choices that Twitter has made editorially are wrong and very poor. Sigh. - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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Great post Dave, keep pointing this out.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
Isn't it the responsibility of an individual who they follow? It was my assumption from the start that the SUL is biased and effectively worthless to me.
- SawyerTraining, Inc.
Interesting. I hadn't considered the potentially insidious effect the Suggested Users List could have.
- Teri Gidwitz
Great post and i really liked the link to professional poker and Twitter.
- John Ford
This was an excellent post and Dave is 100% correct - The SUL is total bullshit!
- Jim Connolly
Wow. I guess I didn't realize the extent of this situation. Great post by Dave - very eye-opening.
- Curt Mercadante
Refinement of the system by which it is determined who follows whom could represent the next great leap forward for social networking. As this SUL issue exemplifies, there's a ton of inefficiency in how these choices get made. The SUL will soon give way to subtler, more intelligent ways of sparking connections. The paradigm of each person having static, manually managed list of...
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- Joshua Maurice
the biggest challenge here is understanding that Twitter is turning into an editor/publisher; not just a provider. could be a slippery slope.
- MikeAmundsen
You can see the sense in having a SUL -- some people get on Twitter and have no idea whom to follow. Maybe they'll follow no one and join the large percentage of users who never come back after signing up. So giving some recommendations helps people get involved. But it seems like just about the bluntest possible instrument for achieving that end.
- Joshua Maurice
The SUL as it stands isn't all that useful. It would be more useful (to users) to have one based on a friend-of-a-friend type of algorithm.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
The SUL is, sadly, not based on quality - It's based (according to Biz and Ev) on people they 'just happen' to like.
- Jim Connolly
Wait a second, did I read that right? The people on the SUL are working in concert with Twitter to follow a code of conduct that Twitter approves of in order to be selected and remain on the SUL? WTF? I thought it was just a list of random people they thought would be interesting to new users. If commerce is involved as an end result doesn't this violate some laws too? Doesn't this also effect Twitter's Safe Harbor?
- Adam Turetzky
Adam: I was kept off the SUL because I talk about friendfeed too much.
- Robert Scoble
Sounds like bitter grapes from W(h)iner. Steven Johnson was put on the SUL and says he was surprised to have been selected. And Robert we know you don't really care because as you've said so many times it's not how many people follow you that counts it's how many *you* follow, right?
- Sprague D
I'm not opposed to the SUL, but I think Twitter should be more transparent about how users are selected and they should probably be selected through a lottery system.
- Peter Warnock
I think John (dendroica) is onto something with the "friend-of-a-friend type of algorithm." Let's try to keep the focus on this constructive question of how to advance social networks to the next level. We seem to be on the verge of being able to integrate semantically annotated content (the "what" of social networks) with the metadata about who, where, and when, and using all these to...
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- Joshua Maurice
Currently the SUL is a list, the next iteration will be a directory and later on natural and sponsored lists generated from keywords will be available to help new users start their Twitter experience, the ideal will be that the lists are ranked by quality but since this is difficult due to the number of profiles we will settle on popularity... sigh
- Alberto Saavedra
Sprague: the number of followers does matter to many in society, as this post points out. By the way, why do you think I say that who you follow matters so much? Because your input will affect your output which will get you more followers. But my point is that you can either get followers by gaming the system (or having it gamed on your behalf like with the SUL) or you can get it by...
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- Robert Scoble
The whole idea of having some people you follow, and others you don't follow, will appear crude very soon -- I will want to see SOME data emanating from even the most "boring" people, and will want to filter out SOME data emanating from even the most interesting people.
- Joshua Maurice
[deleting my own comment after regretting useless snarkiness]
- Fred Yankowski
Seems a tempest in a teapot to me. Most don't even know the SUL is there. And others, like me, make a point of ignoring such lists assuming they'll be fluff and because they specifically don't want to read what everyone else is reading. Many websites routinely post Best Of lists and no one insists they divulge their editorial thinking or hints at dark conspiracies because they do so. So why the hubbub? (Unless of course, they get paid by those being ranked. Then, yes, absolutely, it should be made public.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Bob: the problem is that the SUL has artificially raised people's follower numbers. For instance, I've always had more followers on all social networks than TechCrunch. Including on Twitter. But when that account got added to the list it went from about 50,000 followers and today has more than 700,000 followers while I went from about 60,000 to about 95,000 today. So if you are a business that relies on audience (and you could say that about me) you are at a HUGE disadvantage if you aren't on the list.
- Robert Scoble
I posted a comment on a TC article they wrote about twitter asking if the fact they are SUL does that influence the way they report about the company. My comment was promptly moderated into non-existence :0
- David Lloyd
Wish all these threads had ajax or something and I could drag them around in the order I want them. Make it happen please Robert!
- David Lloyd
Mark: exactly. The SUL is a huge gift to media companies and certain people and they all know it and many have even changed the way they deal with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
When twitter grows exponentially some of these accounts are gonna have 5 or 10 million followers. That's a lot of $'s of value.
- David Lloyd
ive said all along that certain blogs are able to pay at least one writers salary on the SUL bonus
- Allen Stern
For me I guess it's a transparency issue. I don't care about getting on the SUL (I'm not that interesting), but I'd like to know what people and companies are doing to try and get on the list.
- Eoghann Irving
Egohann: lots of people I know want to be on the list. I've heard that if you beg to get on the list, though, that you'll be blacklisted. I wonder how long it'll be before someone creates an account specifically to try to get onto the list.
- Robert Scoble
"Sooner or later someone who they propelled to the top will do something bad." Dave Winer, 21 June 2009
- David Lloyd
I guess the concern is will people start doing "favors" to get on Twitter's SUL? Since there's no defined way to get on the list, it would be very easy to abuse that. You could end up with a lobbyist system almost.
- Eoghann Irving
how does SUL figure into monetization of Twitter? both for Twitter owners and SUL account-holders? when money is linked to the SUL, how does that affect the content of those on the SUL? could you lose your place based on your content? does losing your place remove all your followers? does the content of SUL-ies get preferential search status? added reach outside Twitter? do these values go away if a SUL-ie is bumped off?
- MikeAmundsen
Mike: no one knows because the SUL is totally at the whim of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: if a SUL-ie pulls lots of followers, then is removed, i doubt the followers disappear. from my POV, this is another example of @Biz and @Ev not quite thinking through the implications of what they are doing. i admire their success. i'm happy for them. however, i think, as Dave implies, this is gonna turn ugly at some point. and i think Twitter may turn out looking bad in the process.
- MikeAmundsen
mike they dont get removed - when i brought twitter the cupcakes to get on the list - i was told justine was removed yet she keeps her 500,000 followers
- Allen Stern
plz understand that twitter is a marketing network, period.
- Allen Stern
Twitter is used for marketing, but I don't think it's just a marketing network. There are a lot of people using it without any commercial interests at all.
- Eoghann Irving
How do you apply editorial standards to something that lets you post things like: "I'm out of sugar" or "My toothbrush just fell in the toilet"? I think that we sometimes expect too much from social media sites..
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
@Allen: yep - totally makes sense. now i imagine some future scenario where someone on the SUL starts saying really bad things about Twitter (or anything else Twitter-folks care about). Ev/Biz can pull them, but they've already created a monster; can't put the toothpaste back in the tube; etc w/ the cliches. now multiply this by the number of folks on the list and that's millions of bad news threads in the blog-o-sphere.
- MikeAmundsen
Mike - I call this "keeping the top on top" and Twitter isn't alone with this problem...
- Allen Stern
Right now FriendFeed supports multiple photo upload using Flash. I want to convert it to use HTML 5 multi-file upload if it is available, then Flash if it is available, and then fall back on standard HTML otherwise. Is there a good article demonstrating this approach?
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Specifically, is there a way to have a link trigger an HTML 5 file upload? http://observationpoint.org/journal... shows a standard INPUT element, but we want to make it trigger from our "Add: Photos" link.
- Bret Taylor
Your best bet will probably be to set the alternate content for the upload swf to be a proper HTML upload form. If you're using SWFObject to place the swf, this is fairly easy to do. Not sure about HTML 5 since it's penetration is probably pretty small (sadly)
- Brett Kelly
Brett: We already have the Flash working, and it gracefully degrades. I am interested in supporting HTML 5 in addition to that. (You can try it with the Photos link above)
- Bret Taylor
btw, I hope Adobe will correct the problem that makes Firefox on Linux hang horribly when trying to get the upload progress via swf upload (and you will not get the progress at all!)
- Claudio Cicali ♋
Claudio: yep, it is so bad we don't load the Flash uploader for Linux (it just uses standard HTML file upload). I use Linux all day, so it is a big pain. When the next Firefox release comes out with HTML 5 support, hopefully it won't matter.
- Bret Taylor
What if you did something like this: Render out the HTML 5 form and the SWF for photo uploads and adjust the event handler for 'click' on the 'Photos' link depending on what the browser is capable of - in other words, if the browser can do HTML 5, click would reveal the related form; if not, click would launch the flash-based upload stuff. Obviously, you'd have to use javascript to...
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- Brett Kelly
Do you use a javascript check for Flash and then javascript write to add the Flash upload embed?
- Chip Ramsey
Chip: not really, but sort of. We load the flash, which then calls back to our JS when it successfully loads, which then changes the DOM to replace the link with the Flash control. That solution is a bit more robust in case the Flash control fails to load for some reason (even if they have Flash installed).
- Bret Taylor
If on php+apache, I would rather use the upload progress meter. No need for flash. But you do need js. http://blog.liip.ch/archive...
- Vivek Puri
That makes sense. I'm sure this isn't what you're looking for, but I think you have to use user agent detection. You could start off with your basic HTML form with the input field with multiple attribute (which should degrade gracefully right?) and then detect the user agent. If it is a user agent that doesn't support multiple and isn't Linux, then you could add the Flash control to the...
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- Chip Ramsey
BTW, initially thought you could use JS to read the attributes of the input field and the multiple attribute would be missing for browsers that don't support it yet, but that doesn't seem to be the case in FireFox.
- Chip Ramsey
Had a little more time to play with this tonight. Because you guys use jQuery, it looks like you may be able to use $("#test").attr("multiple") on <input type="file" id="test" multiple> and it will return the true boolean on browsers that support the attribute. On browsers that don't support it, either an empty string or "multiple" is returned. Didn't test thoroughly, but maybe somewhere to start.
- Chip Ramsey
Thanks, Chip! Really helpful
- Bret Taylor
from email
hey bret -- in Firefox now we do support file upload without page reload and without user interaction, and you can do one file upload while picking another one -- probably not totally what you want, but maybe helpful. here's the writeup: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009...
- John Lilly
Thanks, John, that's helpful
- Bret Taylor
This is an example of HTML5 and fallback for HTML5 video. http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009...
- jnman
Go Plate - http://www.uncrate.com/men...
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"Perfect for backyard bashes, the Go Plate ($48/42-pack) assures you'll never lose your drink again. This reusable and recycled clear plastic food tray fits over a bottles, cups or cans for one-handed action. They can be thrown in the dishwasher for multiple parties."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
hee.
- edythe
That's a wonderful idea and actually affordable. I wonder if it fits a wine glass.
- Admiral Anika
Looks like it certainly would not fit the wine glasses I like to use - https://glassware.riedel.com/c-868-v...
- Brian Sullivan
but then when you want to drink your drink, you have to take the plate off and put it somewhere, right? i guess you could hold one and one...
- edythe
Totally need to get David one for Father's Day
- Holly is Happy
Maybe you could put a straw in the center from the top.
- Louis Gray
The only thing that might make this better is boobs.
- mike fabio
@Louis drinking beer through a straw is reserved for parking lots and summer camps ;)
- Brett Kelly
from IM
Mike, you're sounding like you're channeling Adrian there. LOL
- Admiral Anika
Now if it only had a hole in the middle just big enough for bottle to slip through (root beer, guys!)...
- Bill Lunsford
there's a tray available that holds wine glasses ... lemme find a link ... EDIT: here's one: https://www.platecaddy.com/ but not the one i'm looking for.
- tiffany
hey that is neat! cool idea
- Susan Beebe
i've always liked that wine glass holder for the bathtub thing...
- edythe
Have to get some of these!
- Rick Cogley
weird I can't open that link...
- Anna Lynn M.
The Plate Caddy?!? how come I've never seen that commercial before?
- Anna Lynn M.
there are quite a few of them... lol. another one: http://www.barsupplywarehouse.com/party-p... ... i'm used to the clear ones.
- tiffany
that is perfect,
- Chris Patterson
rules
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Is that a Korean bbq for rednecks?
- Bret Rowe
ingenious.
- Jeremy Muncy
Holy cow, @Dondodge of Microsoft is going to be on This Week in Startups today helping me with six "Ask Jason" questions!!! #twist @ 1pm PDT.
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Thanks for another great show. cant wait for next week.
- RamirezG
but I thought you hated Microsoft?
- Chris Patterson
Who is Jason?
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Sometimes the never-ending navel gazing by social media power users totally turns me off social media
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Not sure what set off this thought specifically, but I'm so with you.
- Soup
Well it seems like that on most of these tech blogs/social media apps people are always talking about the app itself or how they use the app... Of course, I am guilty of this as well, but after a point it gets a bit too repetitive
- Bindu Reddy
Sometimes those threads have useful information, but most of the time I could do without them.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Yeah, the most boring time to read FF is when there's an update, because then all the posts are about FF itself.
- Gabe
roger that.
- edythe
I think we run into this because the tools are still so shiny and new and nobody really knows exactly what to do with them yet. Not gonna say I don't do any navel-gazing, but it does turn my stomach at times.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I found some lint in my navel. Oh, sorry, I confused this tool with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
true, agree that it's probably just people trying to make sense of everything, it's all moving too fast
- Franz Sittampalam
I think that Friendfeed can be quite diverse in the topics discussed. I like to think that I post links and opinions and rants and nonsense about all kinds of things. Ok, most of it's nonsense I know.
- Ian May
Ian, Agree... I didn't mean to say that we only talk about FF on FF. but a fair amt of discussion does center on social media.
- Bindu Reddy
What is naval gazing??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jennifer = FYI - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu - to me, it kinda lets a little air out of the balloon of the "power of social media" myth* if the main thing it's used for is... social media. (* "myth" is a slightly stronger word than I want.)
- Andrew C
I enjoy the irony that most people who consider themselves social media 'experts' are the same ones who, in a real social gathering, are the ones mumbling and staring at their own shoes.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
the real irony is this thread, and it's navel gazing
- Kingsley Joseph
Kingsley, you noticed :) I had a similar thought last night
- Bindu Reddy
Sometimes?
- Daniel Miessler
Welcome back to social media, Bindu, and with a socially popular post, too boot! :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
In Banff, Canada with Karen... A few photos from our first day. (Cool hotel, huh?)
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You should see some of the other former CP owned hotels across Canada. Amazing architecture in all of them.
- Chris, Without Direction
Beautiful! I see there's still lots of snow, is the ski season still open there?
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor: no, I don't think so. The last photo is from us taking a bike ride today. A bit of snow, but really nice, warm weather overall.
- Bret Taylor
Awesome hotel! Yah for CANADA!
- Herman
Canada...I love my country just like you love yours...so many places to go, so much to see and Canada is one of those places :)
- Owen Greaves
Did you experience a sense of "the shining" yet?
- ianf ⌘
Reminds me of the Elsinore Brewery, eh. " Yeah. OK, well, uh, we found, uh, this mouse in a bottle of YOUR BEER, eh. Like, we was at a party and, uh, a friend of ours - a COP - had some, and HE PUKED. And he said, uh, come here and get free beer or, uh, he'll press charges."
- Steve
It is so gorgeous there, great biking and hiking now.
- Anne Bouey
Rob & I went to Banff, Jasper & Lake Louise for our honeymoon in June of 1981. What a gorgeous place you are visiting!!
- Skye Miller
I was there last month, Calgary is a nice place
- Jeremiah Owyang
Restaurant recommendation: http://www.lebeaujolaisbanff.com/
- John Craft
I was there last October for a conference. Very beautiful indeed.
- Robert Felty
WOW, awesome!! totally jealous, nice place.. ENJOY!! :)
- Susan Beebe
That hotel looks fantastic.
- Chris Patterson
Wow! Very nice....
- Anthony K. Valley ©
I've been to Banff and Lake Louise, love it! Was going to suggest eating at Btfsplk's Diner but apparently it has closed. :(
- Yolanda
very nice. enjoy the time.
- Alex Hammer
I haven't been to Banff yet this year. or Lake Louise for that matter. I don't know if the road is open yet. but if you're in the Lake Louise area you must go to Moraine Lake. It's better than Lake Louise. (I'm in Calgary!!)
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Also. quite touristy, but you should do the Gondola up Sulfur Mountain (or you can hike up). Nice views from up there.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Looks like Banff Springs hotel, it sure is nice. Enjoy your stay. Cheers!
- Chris Penner
I haven't been there in over 10 years. It is so beautiful, I want to take my wife and kids so that can enjoy it too.
- Chris Johnston
Great shots! ; )
- Fossil Huntress
I love Banff. The elk are magical.....on the first day. By day 6, they're about as interesting and more common than street lights.
- Matthew DeVries
No-one Reads Your Stupid Tweets t-shirt ($21) - http://rumplo.com/tees...
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A+++... I tweeted this.
- Phil Essing
Want.
- Joel Webber
i need to wear this to remind me of my own insignificance
- Cee Bee
good. and maybe our g.o.v. also agree of this, so they just blocked the Twitter site.
- yagami
Pretty funny! And in most cases, pretty true.
- Colleen O'Donnell Pierce
I want a shirt that asks "if your followers are so loyal why don't you leave twitter?"
- Noah David Simon
Gotta tweet this :)
- Stephanie Segel
Two things strike me as amusing about this. 1) The fact that so many of us liked this entry (and, by extension, undoubtedly like the shirt). 2) The probability that many of us actually still use Twitter, conscious of the fact that practically no one really cares what we tweet :D
- Adam Lasnik
it could've been funnier if there was an another line of text => 'about 1 minute ago from txt in reply to @aplusk'
- Ozan Caglargil
Hi Jess, thank you for spreading the word about my cheeky t-shirt design ! If you'd like me to send you one just message me !
- Tweet Tees
WANT.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+10 Ozan!!!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
yes, finally somebody says it!
- Jacob
Screw You! I'm Done. Play Arrington off, Keyboard Cat - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Love this
- Bobby Edwards
I don't love it, it is out of character and I suspect the tip of the iceberg.
- Kevin J Hatton
I agree with you, Leo is a man of integrity and Arrington was way out of line
- Lillian Banchik
ummm... wow.
- Andrew Terry
Leo doesn't look good in this video if you don't know the actual story.
- Chris
So where is the apology?
- Kevin J Hatton
@Kevin Hatton - Mike Arrington has posted an article entitled "Ouch" at TechCrunch.
- Andrew Terry
Thanks guys, I will check them out
- Kevin J Hatton
FYI (to those curious) Leo's comment on the incident is on that post from Arrington ( http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... ) as an "Update."
- Jason Nunnelley
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since he started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing.
- Anant Gairola
I think Leo was cool with the "full disclosure" comment. It definitely sent him over the edge when Arrington suggested his review was influenced by a free review phone. It was definitely disrespectful. And, Arrington has acknowledged that.
- Jason Nunnelley
What pissed me off MOST about arrington, is that I think he was deliberately baiting Leo..arrington is all about the 'page hits"..see techcrunch v. Last.fm
- David J. Garcia
from twhirl
Do you think Leo has a comment to make? or is it now best left alone, as apologies have been made.
- Kevin J Hatton
Leo +1. What Arrington did was way out of line
- Goktug Okan Oguz
So what does John C Dvorak make of all this?
- Kevin J Hatton
Arrington is pissed becuase he didn't get one. He ego is out of control and it shows.
- Chris Patterson
@jaymartinez Check out the audio Gilmore Gang Part2 for the 'actual' story http://ia311238.us.archive.org/3...
- Chris
@macjunction (Kevin Hatton) http://www.dvorak.org/blog...
- Chris
Thanks for the link Chris
- Kevin J Hatton
Go Leo! You Rock. You did the right thing getting this asshole off the air. So WHAT if its a review unit? You're not entitled to an opinion of it? geez the nerve of some people!
- Rustic Thoughts
@cptcomic [Chris] Secondary thanks for the URL. Better than Google :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Well done
- Joe Demartino
Hey everyone, if you do nothing else listen to part two because I think Mike Arrington comes out better, while Leo is still not over it. http://ia311239.us.archive.org/3...
- Kevin J Hatton
I think it was big of both Arrington and Leo to apologize.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Scott Hanselmans Computer Zen - MSDN Updates - and RFC for you - http://www.hanselman.com/blog...
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Nice changes to MSDN
- Lucas Stark
The seem to be doing perpetual redesign on MSDN. Some have gotten better and some have gotten worse. The biggest thing I want to see changed is to make the publishing process easier so we can get updated information to the site.
- Chris Patterson
FFUNDERCATS Live in about 10 hours...
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Last week's show surprised me - I didn't expect to enjoy 2 and a half hours of home cinema chat but I did!
- Martin Bryant
I'm only 3/4 way through it myself... Epic work by all involved :D
- Johnny Worthington
I'm going to try and stay up again, was fun to join in the last one a few weeks ago. Will be about 2am here.
- Simon Wicks
Great Simon! Thanks man, appreciate it :D I have to get to bed myself (1am)... Don't want to damage the accent (apparently THAT is my best feature *sigh*) :P
- Johnny Worthington
I was going to bed when I posted this... DAMN YOU DONUTS! DAMN YOU FRIENDFEED and you warm giving warmthy glow...
- Johnny Worthington
LOVE the logo! :-D
- Ladybug Heather
Do you mean lego.....? :)
- WorldofHiglet
Well, the Lego dudes are okay, but "cause twitter sucks balls" made me spit iced tea on myself yesterday.
- Ladybug Heather
You know what, Heather - I hadn't even read that bit!?!?!? And I'm glad I wasn't drinking when I did....!
- WorldofHiglet
Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter which is why it will fail. We need more "what comes after Facebook" not a quest for email 2.0
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Does anybody else agree with Dare?
- Louis Gray
I certainly don't. His comment seems to indicate ignorance of what Google Wave is. It's so interesting to me that everyone is focused on Google's overlay instead of the engine.
- Karoli
I disagree. What features of Facebook or Twitter does it lack (or will it lack once more bots, extensions, and UX improvements are developed) that makes it not a contender for an open-web communication and collaboration tool (i.e., social networking service)? And it is capable of so much more.
- LogEx
I disagree. All you have to do is watch the Google Wave demo at their IO conference. After watching, digest the information, then go ahead and send a traditional email. You'll see how necessary Google Wave really is.
- Kevin Pruett
I don't get how it's "opposite" or, if that is true and means something, why that would be bad.
- Fred Yankowski
disagree.
- vijay
If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0. If it promotes spontaneous conversation and mild amounts of social preening, and moves the ball down the field from other services, it will do just fine. And all google products by default start as successful, because they don't individually need to monetize.
- Christopher Galtenberg
(I like what you did here, Louis. What's that word for the person at a party who gets beers in everyone's hands and talking? You that :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Disagree. How my friends use Facebook. (1) Crappy apps; (2) Status updates; (3) Facebook email. (Which I have set to get to me via real email. Pisses me off that I then have to login to Facebook to reply though.) So what comes after Facebook? Facebook with Wave.
- Andy Bold
@LouisGray We're having a great debate about Google Wave here:http://friendfeed.com/google-...
- Jorge Escobar
^---- Yes, anyone interested in Wave should read Jorge's thread.
- LogEx
I haven't looked at Wave too closely, but I tend to use FF/Facebook/Twitter in a very different way from email. In fact I don't use email outside of the corp environment anymore and there the integration between, outlook, office communicator and office live meeting is really awesome.
- Chris Patterson
Well, I said two things; (i) it is the opposite of Twitter and (ii) it will fail. which one do people disagree with? :)
- Dare Obasanjo
The spirit (at least as I see the statement's essence) of what Dare is saying is right - that apps that take it to the next level BUT are accessible to the general public are the ones that will succeed so cooking up a French masterpiece is a recipe for failure when all your customer wants is taters and ground beef (feel free to correct me if I misstated your premise Dare) - that said I...
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- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I won't have an opinion until I give Wave a try and see how it fits into my life.
- Roger Benningfield
email 2.0 is really asking what does real time communication look like. Wave is probably not the answer. But the platform maybe very useful for the next generation of real time web mashups.
- Aaron Fischer
Being the "opposite of Twitter" isn't necessarily a bad thing. It depends what you mean by the "opposite of Twitter." For instance you could mean that it will have very few users but make massive amounts of money. Could you clarify.
- Adewale Oshineye
Dare, I don't even see it as being in the same league as Twitter, but if I reeeeaaaally stretch, I can say that it is Twitter five iterations down the road. Not the opposite at all. It also won't fail. You just won't see it, because it will be the engine driving apps people use every day.
- Karoli
wave reinvents IM, not email.
- Cliff Gerrish
I assume you mean that it's the opposite of Twitter in terms of its complexity, versus Twitter's simplicity. But I think it mostly *seems* complex. There are really only three parts to it: writing (or inserting pictures or any other content), commenting, and who can see it. What you choose to use those parts to do is completely open, from chatting to email to working on documents together. So I think it may take a little while for everyone to "get" it, but I think once they do it'll be huge.
- Tom Small
I am excited to starting coding against the new Wave APIs. Just wait till you see what is possible. There's a reason a room full of a few thousand developers gave a standing ovation for about 5 minutes... go dig into the apis and you'll start to see the magic. or stay up at the surface with the rest of the so-called experts in the tech-blogo-sphere and talk the talk. My advice: pay attention to new dev projects using Wave APIs & follow the developers.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I agree, it's not the google wave "application" that is the big deal, but the infrastructure - this will be the backend for so many cool things.
- Jack Jones
"opposite of Twitter" could mean a bunch of things. it could mean that Wave is the opposite of Twitter architecturally -- a network of federated servers, instead of whatever 386 Turbo is under Ev's desk. :-D so then the question becomes, "does Wave scale?" is it ACID? do updates have massive latency? what happens when millions of users start beating up on it, when you've got 500,000...
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- Karim
"opposite of Twitter" could also be understood from a user experience standpoint. the limitations of Twitter also make it simple -- you don't have to worry about fonts person A has but not person B, for example. there's no threading in Twitter. but in Google Wave you can create Waves from other Waves, leading to the usual BBS-type refrains of "why did you start a thread/Wave for that?...
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- Karim
I think what Dare means is that Google Wave is the opposite of Twitter in that Wave will stay up 99% of the time and people still won't use it.
- Scott Koon
finally Wave could be considered the "opposite of Twitter" in that there is the expectation that people will get "real work" done using Wave; i.e. you will be putting your company's confidential information in there, which doesn't happen on Twitter. Federated Wave servers address this to a degree, but then you are adding complexity and sysadmins and hardware and the need for backups, etc. -- all the things that go along with having your own email server. Which you don't have with Twitter.
- Karim
Scott, people said that about FriendFeed, too... :-D
- Karim
I don't see how being the opposite of Twitter is a bad thing...
- Johnny
I still hold to my beliefs that wave is just googles take on twitter.
- John Shue
Wave looks great to me.
- Wo
+1 Kevin Pruett - The demo made me realize I have IM, email and office apps open in different windows or tabs at the same time. I must move between them to do anything productive. All of the sudden it seems wrong. I don't know if this makes sense, but Wave seems like keyboard shortcuts. I don't think about which application I need to use or have open: I just know that Ctrl+F or Ctrl+C etc. work. Another example of this is Jeff Han's multitouch demo on the TED site. In his words, "the interface disappears."
- Jack Frizzell
Dare is wrong. I'll be suing it the minute it comes out but not as a Twitter/Face Book/Friendfeed app (even though it could theoretically do any of those) but as a collaboration tool.
- John Hardy
to my mind they are opposities in architecture/PoV: while a tweet on twitter = a blip on a wave, you usually look at twitter from a single tweet on towards the rest of the conversation (bottom up). On wave, you start from the top, as the whole conversations unfolds before you (in case you use the wave client as a UI).
- Björn Klose
@Christopher Galtenberg (If wave is successful, it will be because it's not considered to be anything 2.0) Good point
- Amiroo ™
I do, but the answer is already in front of us: Location based, mobile, social networks like Brightkite.
- Brandon Mendelson
yes, but for the business folks (the folks who can not get their heads out of...) need something that is close to email 2.0. If Google has it then lets see it
- Braden Douglass
An apple is the opposite of an orange, right?
- dthree
Wave is complex relative to Twitter's simplicity. But just because it's complex compared to Twitter does not allow for claims to be made that it will "fail". I do agree that there is a "what comes after Facebook" question, Wave can be the next gen platform. But will your parents use it as a replacement for email? I don't think so. My take? It will evolve. And not in the corporate world. Agree with Chris Patterson regarding MS Communicator and Live Meeting.
- Todd Weidman
I think we'll see Twitter and facebook adopt wave. Imagine both of those organisation using the platform with their own apps/engines on top. Twitter probably first as it will be easier for them, but I think the wave functionality will work better in the FB environment.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
the comment is rather ambiguous so it's difficult to respond whether I agree with it or not.
- Jamie
When we visited the Nimitz a former jet pilot named "Lex" came with us. Here's his blog post of the event. - http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009...
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http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009... is where he talks about his impressions of being on board the ship again.
- Robert Scoble
"(Scoble) carried with him aboard ship the Largest. Zoom lens. Evar." !
- michael sean wright
Heheh, it wasn't a zoom, but who's counting? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
: )
- michael sean wright
Robert thanks for pointing Lex's blog out, honest point of view writing that make for a wonderful read.
- Mark Essel
Toys for big boys...nice picture though!
- John Apps
John: Lex said that his job of flying F-18's was having the government pay for a pile of cocaine every day. He said adjusting to regular life is pretty tough for many pilots because no job quite compares to that one.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, who thought of bringing bloggers to the Nimitz? It would be great to get the background story to this visit.
- τorƍue
Yeah, I just saw Guys Blog story today! WOW! Lovely to see all of our Tax Dollar$ so hard at work! Free Group Flights for "Bloggers", Overnight cabins, Plush Monogrammed Robes, big dinner buffets, playing around with big guns like they were toys! Opps, all this *fun* on our US Nuclear War Ship? I didn't realized the Navy Nimitz is competing with Disney Cruise Lines now!
- Kay Designer
Kay: the Navy does lots of "embarks." They can't do public tours, so use VIPs, press, bloggers, social media geeks, etc as proxys for you. I think it's a good thing to have citizens on board to witness what's going on with our tax dollars. But maybe that's just me and I am biased, having been the recipient now of such a trip. I know I have a lot more respect for what our 19 year olds are doing than I did before.
- Robert Scoble
My father served his country for 5 years aboard an aircraft carrier, as a Navy Officer. Yet none of the Navy families I know of, were treated to such, flown in and wined and dined, as you all were in this youth oriented blogger "marketing" campaign. We were always taught to respect the military vessels as a machine posed for war, not a playland. I think your trip at taxpayer expense and...
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- Kay Designer
Kay: you make some valid points, I too found the posing with guns images tasteless. But this was a PR exercise and as long as the invited guests do a good positive job of writing it up it's a pretty cheap one at that. I'm not sure the British Navy, or any other navy for that matter, does anything similar.
- Gilbert Harding
Kay: Navy Families get to go on "Tiger expresses" where they ride the boat to Hawaii. There are also friends and family trips where families get onto the boats for a day or two. In fact a lot of crew talked about their friends and family day where there were about 9,000 people on board, about double the normal population on board. So you are wrong there, too.
- Robert Scoble
Not to mention that for the Navy this really generates PR, which generates recruiting opportunities. Do you mind that the Navy spends millions of dollars on advertising on TV and other places? I don't. They need to convince young people to sign up to keep these ships running. I'm sure the expense for bringing a few journalists/bloggers etc on board is coming out of one of those budgets.
- Robert Scoble
If you want to see what happens when the young people come back from Iraq? Take a local trip down to your local VA hospital. Here near Fort Knox, KY the VA hospitals are full of exhausted soldiers, with missing limbs. For this marketing campaign, you and the other bloggers, wish to sell your trip aboard the Good Ship Lollypop, in order to tap into and RECRUIT the young bloggers of 18-25...
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- Kay Designer
And in regards in how the military spends and spends, this is a debt load that is going on the shoulders of the next generation. If you had paid for your trip out to sea from a commercial entity- fine-all the power to you. But seeing this is a .MIL organization we are talking about- which is funded by the taxpayer- why should I pay for you to do make this EXPENSIVE joy ride trip? Was...
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- Kay Designer
Geez, somebody took a bite of the lemon. The Navy flies these COD missions out to the ship on a daily basis to help train the COD pilots and deliver passengers, mail and mission critical cargo. With spare capacity, the opportunity to expose people in differing spheres of influence that help tell what they see to the taxpayer is a tremendous opportunity for the Navy. The COD crews deploy...
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- Carroll LeFon
Carroll: yeah, and we were invited by the Navy, I didn't pitch them to go. As to playing with the guns being tasteless? Um, excuse me? We were standing next to weapons platforms (F-18s and others) that could kill many more people than a simple gun. Interesting what people key in on.
- Robert Scoble
If you were invited somewhere - that doesn't mean you were forced to go there - does it? You did have a choice, didn't you? Interesting you used the word "recruit". Recruited is right! Now YOU are suppose to go out and Blog about it, and recruit in return. I heard an interesting talk a few months ago, by Lt General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.): Spend More Wisely on National Security...
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- Kay Designer
The reason why I am very passionate about this subject is my project in Dubai was cancelled in Feb and my only project option left is Saudi Arabia. This is where savages take it out their hatred of the USA military on working consultants there. So this isn't all intellectual blog banter we are talking about - this kind of military aggression in the MiddleEast affects my working life in...
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- Kay Designer
On a lighter note- some of you Nimitz trip-taking, math geeks might get a kick out of this one, sent over to me by a friend I have in Dubai. It really made me crack up reading it four times, since - well never mind - too hard to explain. All I can say is, Newton would be proud. Visualizing Scale of the Energy We Use: http://bit.ly/uZnmw
- Kay Designer
Now add that to 20 more Bloggers on board each Nimitz and how much more energy did you use? lol
- Kay Designer
I respectfully throw myself at the feet of the Court Of FriendFeed and beg for special dispensation since I have only learnt that Friday the 5th of June is Donut Day at 1am on Saturday the 6th. I seek leave to engage in the festivities one day later to atone for my trespass on this most......... wait for it.......... holey day
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Bwahahahahaha! ROFL.
- Alex Scoble
Permission granted.
- ♥patricia♥
*sets alarm for 7am... Bakery opens at 7:30am*
- Johnny Worthington
i think you just earned the right to make every day holey. brilliant.
- Carlos Ayala
Nom Nom NOOOMMMM. Damn you Johnny Worthington..... I need donuts now......
- Roberto Bonini
This is one of those times when FF needs a LOVE button!
- Shannon
So full of win!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
from email
Already celebrating...
- Manny
You doughnut-picture-posting folks are just cruel. I never buy donuts but that photo the other day with the young guy munching the donut must have worked on me subliminally cuz when I got back from lunch I discovered I had stopped at Starbucks and bought an apple fritter.
- Fred Yankowski
You cannot petition the FriendFeed with donuts...
- Todd Hoff
may everyday be a holey day for you :D
- zsafwan
I've decided, Johnny, that we can celebrate it today :D A holey day indeed :)
- Penny
i like this
- BeHRO☺☺OZ
well played
- mike "glemak" dunn
Stop! Hammer Time! http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538...
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Five Features Bing Shouldn't Be Getting Credit For | U.S. | Reuters - http://www.reuters.com/article...
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"Features that had long existed in Live Search are suddenly getting noticed and being branded as “new.” Five examples:"
- Mrsth
from Bookmarklet
I'm liking Bing more on the past two days. It seems like news now shows on the first page results for me. Going to stick with it into next week. The spellchecker isn't as good as Google's though.
- Thomas Hawk
Sometime is just take a brand change to get poeple to look. At least the features came from the same dev team.
- Chris Patterson
Why does it matter if the features are from Live Search or new to Bing?
- Cristo
Just switched my default search engine to Bing to see if I'll stick with it. Man I hope it's good enough. Competition = good. #bing
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I'd like to use it, except I feel guilty using it on a Mac. I wish M$ would open up a little more so I could feel better about trying it.
- Jesse Stay
I've tried Bing, and it seemed too much like WindowsLive Search for me to continue using it.
- Thomas Ward
I find with any search-engine switch you do have to stick with it. The grass is always greener on the other side, right? I've been through a couple switches. I had a tough time justifying Google over Altavista back in 98 or 99... I'd switch between the two and generally waste a lot of time doing so when a Google search was a miss. But I learned to do intent clarification, or at least stop second guessing. Same w/ Bing, except Bing is from the ground up about intent clarification & verticals. It helps.
- Wade Dorrell
Learning the difference between the "real" barbecue ribs and the crap grill ribs. Difference is barbecue is 8 to 10 hours slow cooking
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Baby back ribs only require a few hours of smoking. Must use real hardwood charcoal.
- Christopher A Carr
RT @JoeMcNallyPhoto @drewgurian Classic rant and interesting commentary on not getting paid (has some profanity)... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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The dotty celebrity artwork of Paul Normansell - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture...
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Wow @LanceArmstrong thank you for the support - Cancer doesn't stand a chance. Neither does your injury.
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CrunchPad: The Launch Prototype (it looks absolutely gorgeous) - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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It's really hard to believe that the crunchpad has come so far. I remember the early talks of asking whether anybody knew of something like this that existed, then talks of building one themselves, and now finally a launch prototype. Very exciting
- Wang Yip
Dimensions?
- Kevin Pedraja
pricing?
- mikepk
Michael in the comments says 12 inch screen and 18 mm thick
- Wang Yip
@Jason, precisely
- chrisofspades
this'll get hacked to be awesome!
- Stuart Evans
wow, this looks really cool
- mark
looks So Cool
- Amir
kinda reminds me of a larger iphone
- Stuart Evans
Will it run flash? If it's cheap enough for newspapers to subsidize for their customers, it could be a finger in the dike.
- Kevin Pedraja
yep, it does everything a browser does Kevin
- Zee.
Whoa, an ebook reader can look like something other than metric ass?
- Matthew DeVries
I like the idea of booting directly to the browser. For the average person, they can pretty much get by in the browser and something like this is all they would need. I would guess however, that this is not going to be targeted at the "average" person to begin with but nonetheless I think it is a move in the right direction.
- Mike Bracco
Persistent data connection (i.e. 3G)?
- Mike Bracco
I would like more info on the browser.
- Christopher A Carr
Big important question...how long after it comes out will it be available in Australia? I'm sold already on it.
- George Hall (Australia)
Looks interesting, but what interested me about Kindle is the e-Ink technology - I don't want to read newspapers or books on a screen. Fine for a Netbook replacement, large browser, but seems to be a different use than the Kindle.
- Stuart Miniman
This really looks amazing.
- Vince DeGeorge
It's really amazing...
- zeqing
So, what's the catch, silly business policy, law of physics violation, health risk, monopolistic, or moral violation in this device that is going to keep it from being exactly what we expect and stopping it from taking kindle market share?
- Matthew DeVries
I guess I can think of one. Can't use on take off and landing, because it's not e-ink, thus will not hold it's picture without power.
- Matthew DeVries
looks awesome. This will definately affect the kindles marketshare considering the iphone is really a competitor to the kindle.
- craftsmen_atl
from twhirl
Are there speakers? Headphone jacks?
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
i'll believe it when mine arrives in the post (please)
- Jamie Vidamour
wow, that does look positively amazing... WANT!
- Susan Beebe
This looks really cool, and is what I want for my couch computer.
- Chris Patterson
Race Triathlon with a Plan (Video) - http://www.endurancenation.us/blog...
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BlackRapid: RS-4 Strap - http://blackrapid.com/rs4.php
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Great product
- Chris Patterson
Yeah I think I need to place an order.
- Mark Groves
Microsoft knows how to hype me up. A guy on our rental car shuttle says Bing is "mind-blowingly awesome" He was at the D Conference today.
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Scoble Dobble - yes indeed, they lost a good man when you left
- courtney benson
How to get attention at a Twitter conference? Walk in with the biggest lens. @140tc Details on what I was doing: - http://img32.imageshack.us/my...
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This weekend I am going on an aircraft carrier so I rented a 600mm F4.0 lens for my Canon 5D MKII from Keeble and Shuchat photography in Palo Alto (costs $300 to rent, costs about $8,000 to buy) and I brought it into the Twitter Conference today where it turned lots of heads. This photo is by @pkitano
- Robert Scoble
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That pic makes me laugh - awesome - it would get you noticed.
- Robert Freeze
I'd like to take one of those to Yellowstone with me some time
- Jesse Stay
"Well you can tell by the way I use my walk..."
- Johnny Worthington
Is that a BIG lens or are you just happy to be Twittering?
- Clifford Kennedy
Looks like someone's compensating... :P
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
What kind of pics did you take with it at the conference?
- Robert Freeze
Should be interesting going through airport security with that. :) Will that even fit in the overhead compartment?
- Gil Francisco III
Robert Freeze: I'll post some shortly. Really awesome closeups. Gil, yeah, it will. Comes in a nice case.
- Robert Scoble
Cool...closeups
- Robert Freeze
Amanda: it's all about compensating! I want to have a bigger lens than Guy Kawasaki! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Other photos of me with my lens: http://friendfeed.com/search... Yet another way to show off friendfeed's search!
- Robert Scoble
Is the size of your lense about how much authority you have?
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, I see a lot of men buying these when they turn 40... ;)
- Jorge Escobar
I think you achieved your noble goal, Robert. :D That is the Enzyte of lenses.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Jesse: it sure lets you take great Twitter avatar photos of people from across the room!
- Robert Scoble
I bet you could see Utah with that thing
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that the same lens they use in the Hubble telescope?
- imabonehead
imabonehead: that lens is just slightly bigger. Heheh. By the way, I just uploaded some more photos from today so you can see some of the long lens magic: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Robert Scoble
All those pocket jokes come to mind...Robert you crave attention so the lense is merely a prop :) Oh my what a big lense you have...LOL!
- Owen Greaves
Leather: I shoot everything in RAW and JPG. I upload the JPGs.
- Robert Scoble
more attractive then Paris, for me :)) LOL
- Hüseyin Mert
Leather: yeah, yeah. You try doing white balance while carrying around a big lens. Anyway, that's what Lightroom is for. I only upload my photos PRE processing. If you want them processed you can pay for them. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
next time, you need to get the biggest sigma lens you can to maintain that record :)
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Good choice on your camera, highly praised for HD videos.
- polou/indigo_bow
The "largest lens thing" IS a man thing. For some guys. Usability, Adequacy with needs, Efficiency come into play for other guys. A 50mm ("fixed") with a nice aperture is a good choice for "on the fly" shoots.
- Zackatoustra
Man, that's a real heavy gun. With this one, you could easily take pictures of Astro_Mike sending tweets from space.
- Nir Ben Yona
that's... great! :D
- Alberto D'Ottavi
Awesome! related stuff here --> http://ff.im/3e8U8
- Roshan Ramachandran
Robert: Carrying that all day would solve my workout worries, the only problem my brother would probably ninja ambush me to grab it for his own star gazing/animal photography needs. Awesome camera man, will look forward to the imagery content it shall provide.
- Mark Essel
Some people never get enough attention.
- T.S. Elliott
oddly the same things happens to me at my daughters ballet recital with only a 200 f2.8
- Chris Patterson
Are those lens heavy?
- ashish
That's just a little bit on the other side of insane. I'd kill for a lens half that size.
- Donald Forth
I bet you buy the Magnum XLs, too :p
- Peter Warnock
That works at gay bars too. Oh wait....not lenses.
- sean808080
Hey FriendFeed application and tool developers. We've created a community of useful FF Apps, we will have a link exchange platform to increase popularity of our tools since, as you know, friendfeed addicts usually interested in similar ff applications. Please contact me for details. ahmetalpbalkan[a]gmail.com
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Currently there are 9 applications accepted our invitation and 6 in queue. This will be also a directory of useful friendfeed apps. You can also suggest FF apps you know here.
- Alp
Any interesting apps to play with, Alp? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Do tell. More. All.
- ianf ⌘
Hey Alp, cool idea, could consider adding XLHit as part of your list: http://www.xlhit.com/ or http://ff.xlhit.com/
- Charles Ying
Charles, could you contact me please?
- Alp
hm, where is this list published?
- Alex Kapranoff
Alex, the list will be published after most of the invitations accepted by the owners of applications. I think it will take 2 or 3 days. But I hope you can see it at ReadWriteWeb when it is finished :)
- Alp
Let's spread !
- Mehmet Alp
anyone else interested in?
- Alp
how to find this community? sorry, but i dont wanna mail
- Vital
I'm interested.
- Michael R. Bernstein
What is "a community of useful [ff] apps" and who is "accepting" what and placing that whatever in a queue. If you are soliciting submissions to some new website devoted to FF-centric applications, then shouldn't you first disclose your credentials, show the website, and/or say so outright?
- ianf ⌘
ianf, our website is surprise right now :) We're going to announce it later. Queue means the invitations I've sent and awaiting replies from the developers. You'll see who did accept our request when we announced :)
- Alp
Oh, I have no doubt I am going to be surprised (whether positively or negatively remains to be seen).
- ianf ⌘
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