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- Chris Pugh
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a great story about customer service in the digital age.
- Chris Pugh
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a really great guide about mounting external drives
- Chris Pugh
I'm going purple to protest the injustice. http://digg.com/celebri...
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i've gone red avatar on twitter. it contrasts the green & makes it more like the holidays. heh
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I'm thinking maybe a red ribbon in the corner of my pic :)
- Thomas
Murphy-Goode went bad. @agoodjob ? No.
- Robert Scoble
Seriously?
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: seriously: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Wow, you're all so sensitive to world events. Are you all oblivious to the events in Iran or do you just not care?
- Kevin Arth
We all like Martin at the TWiT Army to be honest. We are not happy at all about this.
- Mark
Kevin: screw off.
- Robert Scoble
Oh Kevin fuck off
- Mark
Kevin: I've been covering the events in Iran from the beginning. You are a real jerk for trying to bring that up in this conversation.
- Robert Scoble
by that logic one would never discuss anything but the bad news in the world
- Mark
Kevin: that got you very close to a block. You want to go further?
- Robert Scoble
We are able to multi-task Kevin
- Bill Heslin
I love how Kevins theory is that we must at all times endlessly discuss shit things going on in this messed up world. The moment we go off-topic: BOOM!
- Mark
Hmmm... Martin's cool and all, and Murphy-Goode screwed up bad, but doesn't going the color avatar route for something like this kind of cheapen the token for something more weighty - like people being killed on Iran or Peru or whereever?
- Michael Turro
You're comparing the snubbing of Martin Sargent to the treatment of protesters in Iran?!? You're JUST like a Republican!
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Wendell: give me a break. We are now using colors to protest anything, not just Iran.
- Robert Scoble
http://kevinarth.posterous.com/ Kevin's Website xx
- Mark
And if Mark Teixeira is not the starting 1b for the AL in the All-Star game I'm going to go with Yankee blue...
- Michael Turro
Michael, since when does having a colored avatar have to represent people being killed? It doesn't make the green avatars any less effective or meaningful
- Alan Hoskins
Actually it can have exactly that effect
- Michael Turro
Perfect opportunity for @garyvee...
- Brian Hill
Brian: yeah, isn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Seriously, the Martin Sargent kerfuffle is more like how Farrah Fawcett got ignored after Michael Jackson died.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Hey Robert
- Brian Hill
Oh god PLEASE NOT HIM! I have a headache as it is ;)
- Mark
@dahowlett just unfollowed.
- Mark
Mark: I'd engage with him, but it's not worth the time either.
- Robert Scoble
The reason the green works is because it is identifiable, singular, easy to see. If we all start using colors for anything we find offensive we're going to need a play book to know what color corresponds to which injustice. After a while the gesture empties of any significance.
- Michael Turro
Scoble, what color to protest Adam Savage's phone bill?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Wendell: I don't even know who that is. So Orange. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Adam Savage is the Mythbuster's guy with the $11,000 AT&T bill
- Alan Hoskins
The winery motto is: "We take our wines seriously. Ourselves.... not so much." Doesn't that sound like Martin?
- Chris Pugh
Adam Savage is the guy on MythBusters. And Wendell, AT&T fixed that issue about two hours ago.
- Wizetux
Okay, then, what color for Michelle Bachmann's crazy Census protest? Or to protest crazy Michelle Bachmann?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Wendell: start a wiki.
- Robert Scoble
You chaps talk a spiffing amount of nonsense sometimes xx
- Mark
Sometimes?
- Robert Scoble
Nonsense is the whole reason I follow these conversations in the first place!
- Benjamin Smith
Why do I feel like "start a wiki" is a euphemism for something unpleasant? Or should be?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
What color can I use to protest the fact that AT&T hasn't shipped my 3GS yet?
- Michael Turro
It could be a dysphemism for something wonderful.
- Mark
Wendell: start a wiki. You keep asking questions that need to be answered on a wiki. Sort of like a hashtag list. That's a wiki too.
- Robert Scoble
I can confirm Twitter is buying Friendfeed for £299.10
- Mark
Subscribing to Mark because he knows what "dysphemism" means. :)
- Christopher A Carr
haha
- Mark
Mark has a private feed...Isn't that a No No? lol...
- Bill Heslin
I am afraid I am the worst Friendfeeder in the world so don't subscribe to me.
- Mark
Didn't somebody already do a wiki for all the different colored ribbons? Should append onto that.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Not subscribing to Mark because, as regards Friendfeed, he's not doing it right. ;)
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher: yeah, but it isn't cacophemism like dahowlett practices.
- Robert Scoble
cacophemism, thats a new one for me
- Mark
Makes me wanna sub even more Mark :) And Christopher...LMFAO
- Bill Heslin
Mark: it's on the wikipedia entry for dysphemism. :-)
- Robert Scoble
A word or expression that is generally perceived as harsh, impolite, or offensive. Similar to dysphemism. Contrast with euphemism. Adjective: cacophemistic.
- Mark
I had to look those words up. They are above my pay grade.
- Robert Scoble
*fist bump* for the vocabulary Mark
- Bill Heslin
Robert: - you just looked at the wikipedia entry for dysphemism, didn' you?
- Michael Turro
The way I was tought about the two was like this: a eup is "The knife entered him and his life force dripped away. dys: "The knife entered him and he slowly bled to death in angonising pain"
- Mark
one implicit one explicit i guess
- Mark
Michael: I did! Took me back to my childhood when my mom made me look up words I didn't know in the dictionary. Me? I stick them into Google and the wikipedia entry came up.
- Robert Scoble
I just don't want to use up all the good colors right away; then if North Korea nukes South Korea, in order to protest that we'll have to use some awful color like Fuchsia that nobody can even spell (I had to look it up).
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
I ask Bill Hill if I need help with tricky words http://billhillsblog.blogspot.com/
- Mark
Mark: Bill Hill is too smart for me. Again, above my pay grade.
- Robert Scoble
We are all homosapien version 1.0 after all.
- Mark
I know... because I did the exact same thing and read the exact same words at probably (almost) the same exact time - real time, dig it
- Michael Turro
I's got a wittle scared when I saw Bill H come up...Whew...not me......it was Bill Hill...lol
- Bill Heslin
Mark: actually I'm 1.03. :-)
- Robert Scoble
words are cool
- Michael Turro
I'm just glad I stuck around for all the -phemisms.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Yes Bill Heslin, the cleverer, sexier Bill ;) Bill Hill. Microsoft man of many years
- Mark
Mark: laid off by Microsoft recently. Sad.
- Robert Scoble
Bill Hill: the man who introduced me to Scoble on Channel9
- Mark
Ummmm...maybe cleverer...but not sexier...:)
- Bill Heslin
Yeah I know Rob :(
- Mark
Mark: Bill HIll was my first interview on Channel 9.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, 1.03 had some bugs that were fixed in 1.03.1
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
Who ever watched Scoble and Bill on video crawling about all over MS campus talking about everything under the sun?
- Mark
Stonkingly good video that
- Mark
I must find a link for it right now
- Mark
Wendell: Maryam and I are in development on 1.05.
- Robert Scoble
http://channel9.msdn.com/posts... From 2005
- Mark
I think in the end I'll go with what can pretty much encompass everything I could possibly protest. All white.
- Thomas
Kk...back to my main stream....I don't have multiple monitors like most of ya'll...but that makes it more fun...
- Bill Heslin
R.S.: I've heard about your beta testing...
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
This is a comment Robert made in 2005 when asked about video quantity while working at Channel9: "There's a ton of stuff still to come. I can only post six vids a day."
- Mark
Six videos a day! Insanity!
- Mark
Mark: those are the good old days! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I remember when you got that video with the IE team and they were all super pleased they were bringing RSS To IE7. They Had "IE7 Loves RSS" tee shirts on.
- Mark
Another favourite was when you interviewed Larry Osterman about pranks at MS.
- Mark
Folks if you haven't been following Rob for more than a few years you should check out some of his stuff at channel 9. http://channel9.msdn.com/posts...
- Mark
...catching up on Bill Hill... joined Microsoft running its Typography group in 1994... way too late to blame him for Arial... good for him... but why couldn't he kill Comic Sans?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
his team invented Cleartype Wendell, We all take that for granted these days
- Mark
I miss Osterman. By the way, on Channel 9 they just announced they are making changes to come. http://channel9.msdn.com sounds like good stuff to come.
- Robert Scoble
he is a very special guy, dont know what bone head manager decided to sack him
- Mark
that video on channel9 announcing changes reminded me of the first video ever on channel9 when you all discussed why it was going to be a bit special
- Mark
Mark: yeah, even if they didn't need his skills anymore they should have made him into a public spokesperson for Microsoft. Sad that they couldn't see some other way to use him.
- Robert Scoble
Welcome to Channel 9. We are five guys at Microsoft who want a new level of communication between Microsoft and developers. We believe that we will all benefit from a little dialogue these days. This is our first attempt to move beyond the newsgroup, the blog, and the press release to talk with each other, human to human.
- Mark
I, for one, do NOT take ClearType for granted. When I got my last recon'd laptop (I live on old ThinkPads), it didn't have it switched on. My eyes! My eyes! The goggles did nothing but the ClearType made it all better.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
ClearType <3
- Mark
I've been told health care already has purple. I think yellow is still available.
- Leo Laporte
I'll stick with my catch-all color...
- Thomas
Who remembers the color wars from last year?
- Jesse Stay
JEEZUS!!!! signal-to-noise ratio here is zeeeeero (at least during the beginning of this thread, which is what counts, right, Leo?)
- Jason Miller
Leo, at least give Martin a color he can do schtick with, like Burnt Umber... because he got Burnt, right?
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
I've gone purple on my twitter now. I'll have to wait and see who asks about it.
- Tom Silk
@leolaporte - injustice indeed!!!! I'd go purple, but my GIMP is limp.
- Jason Miller
105 comments because Leo colored is avatar purple wow.
- Kim Landwehr
That's show business Kim.
- Mark
Wow, this thread went on a while. But, did anyone start a Wiki?
- Jason Nunnelley
Seriously, needs a Wikipedia page. I know you guys were razzing, but it's not a bad idea. "protest avatar" sounds more descriptive than "colored avatar." And, colored and coloured, there's a English to English translation issue with one of those.
- Jason Nunnelley
I made this during TWiF... http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Andrew Johnson
I'm familiar with the "caco-" morpheme. I added the "-" because, as far as I can tell, the morpheme is bound in modern English.
- Christopher A Carr
What was the first protest avatar?
- Jason Nunnelley
found out murphy goode has 2 twitter accounts -one w/ an e & one w/o: @areallygoodjob & @areallygoodejob
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
I'm looking up avatar protests for the Wikipedia page. Got any links?
- Jason Nunnelley
this is interesting, just found out about this whole deal.. watching the beginning of TWIF now
- Anthony Kam
I see Leo's changed his avatar to something new - not purple.
- Jason Nunnelley
It was purple last night. I don't think he was being totally serious when he made the post anyways.
- Chris Heath
Man I feel like going out buying some Wine for some reason.
- John D Reasor
You're on my list Murphy-Goode (and it ain't a shopping list). "Murphy says Martin Sargent's #1 spot isn't good enough" http://digg.com/celebri...
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It's mind-boggling that he isn't the clear winner.
- Eric Geller
I think going out of our way to not buy their product is in order...
- Thomas
I support their decision. There are lots of good quality candidates with more credentials than Martin. I'm sorry, I like the guy, but just because he has a powerful internet posse at Revision 3 does not mean he deserves the job. There are lots of great candidates out there--some without a job--that don't have the extra pull of a podcast community to support them. I know I'm in the minority, but I had to say it.
- Fleagle
Unfortunately Fleagle, they don't specify that they're looking for a candidate without "the extra pull of a podcast community to support them." On the contrary, they WANT someone as connected as Martin to prop up their activities in the Web 2.0 community.
- Eric Geller
I wonder if the nature of his past works and the image that it portrayed onto him had anything to do with their choice. Would you, as a business owner, really want the host of such shows as infected, Web drifter, and Internet Superstar to be the spokes internet person for your company?
- Wizetux
And I'm not upset that he didn't get the job, but to not even be in the top 50?
- Thomas
Can we get a "Screw you!" at Murphy-Goode, Leo?
- Mike Nayyar
Eric, if all they want is someone with 'connections', then I guess they did miss the mark here. It's not my company, so I can only assume they have an idea what they want.
- Fleagle
Yes, i would have thought atleast martin would get in the top 50...
- Bryce Campbell
If the goal of this was to connect to users in the new media, I would've thought having a built in base would have been a plus for him...
- Thomas
Never mind the fact that he actually knows a bit about wine and can speak knowledgeably on the subject. Or the fact he has previous experience not only producing content but the technical side of it.
- Johnny Worthington
Fleagle: That *is* all they want. They have said that before. That's why we're both angry AND confused.
- Eric Geller
Pretty simple then I guess. If that's really all they wanted, then they dropped the ball here.
- Fleagle
Let the Bad PR spread across the wires, then who ever gets the job will really have their work cut out for them.
- Wizetux
They didn't just drop the ball, they let go of it while holding it over a cliff.
- Eric Geller
Looking at their rules for applying, the only thing I can think of at this point is that maybe they thought there would be an issue with the "irrevocable and perpetual right to use your name, likeness, appearance, voice, biographical information and video anywhere in the world, without your further consent" part.
- Thomas
I think they already failed at the Social meida
- Fee501st
Thomas: If you're saying that Murphy Goode had that thought, then I'm confused. It's their rule, why would they disqualify someone if that person applied knowing the rule?
- Eric Geller
How in Bob's name did they decide that?
- Matthew DeVries
Because he's well know (relatively), maybe they thought that clause would be an issue with him. Not saying it's really what caused it, though... http://www.areallygoodejob.com/finepri...
- Thomas
Thomas: I agree with you that Martin could have had that thought, but that's for him to decide. Murphy Goode shouldn't disqualify someone because they assume that their own rule will be a problem. They should let Martin take that into his own hands. (Which he did by applying anyway.)
- Eric Geller
True
- Thomas
Kevin Rose just tweeted about this - even more bad press for the winery...
- Thomas
I think maybe the biggest blunder on their part was of course posting the top 50. It would be different if they just announced the winner I think. That way, even though most probably would've disagreed, you'd have to respect a little bit that it was their decision to make. But not even having Martin in the top 50 is probably going to bite them in the arse in the coming days.
- Fleagle
I definitely agree on that point. If you put something to a vote and then have a top 50, make sure the top vote getters are on the list - even if you don't intend on picking them.
- Thomas
Absolutely right.
- Eric Geller
hmm. Anyone else see a comparison between the Iranian election and this selection process?
- Wizetux
Getting to be the #1 most popular video on the topic should have earned Martin a spot on the top 50 list. I'm not saying it should have gotten Martin the final job, either.
- Robert Scoble
Wizetux: I think they must have the same person who decided on Twitter's Suggested User List doing the judging. Really lame. Yes, it's the same thing as an Iranian Election. Exactly.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Scoble.
- Chris Heath
Agreed Fleagle,
- Kim Landwehr
Kevin Rose: http://friendfeed.com/kevinro...
- Robert Scoble
Murphy-Goode are getting great exposure and all they have to do is give a valid point of view as to why he wasn't chosen. So...?
- Michael Turro
If you look at the digg comments, I'm not sure that's the exposure they were looking for... :)
- Thomas
I wonder if anybody at Murphy-Goode knows they screwed this up - they could spin this as the very reason they NEED a social media consultant.
- Michael Turro
murphy goode = murphy badde
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Need to correct myself, actually they did have to name the top 50 since the top 10 will be pick from the top 50, still doesn't explain why Martin wasn't on it, guess he wasn't what they were looking for.
- Kim Landwehr
this reminds me of that election in iran
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Michael: that would be a great spin, but that would require having someone who understood what was going on and the time for that kind of spin is when a story is just getting going. I would just apologize and say "I don't know how we missed Martin." But then I would have made sure the guy with the #1 YouTube video would be on the list in the first place.
- Robert Scoble
True enough... number one is hard to "miss"
- Michael Turro
if their objective was to find someone best fit for the job, they didn't present the voting facilities in a representatively clear fashion. why bother creating a voting system? it implies that number one would be in the list.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
They should have given the top 50 vote getters an automatic bid and then augmented with 10 or so of their own choices that might not have made the top 50
- Michael Turro
apparently @areallygoodjob uses twitter to broadcast their thoughts. there's no interaction or @ replies. i have a feeling they may be elite-ist snobs.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Elitist snobs? In the wine industry?
- Michael Turro
kinda contrary for them to use social media in the first place, huh? freermor, their twitter says they use the web as their twitter client.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
LOL Leo (purple)
- Kim Landwehr
Check out all the results: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Why did they even stage a fracking "contest" if they've already made their decision about who they want?
- Matthew DeVries
There was a small mistake there wasn't there? did you spot it?
- Mark
what does Vay Ner Chuk have to say about this?
- Chris Pugh
Their fine print states "Murphy-Good retains the right to exclude candidates from the hiring process or terminate the successful candidate for any lawful reason", but if they were going to exclude him after the voting then they should have not even posted or accepted his video in the first place.
- Alan Hoskins
Alan: they should have explained their thinking. Personally I wouldn't have had a final 50. I would have only posted a final three. Then if he didn't make that list it would seem better. But that's after the play quarterbacking. Now they have a bit of a mess on their hands and they have saddled their new social media expert with a mess that won't go away.
- Robert Scoble
I think we're probably seeing a classic case of a traditional business mired in traditional processes trying to leap into the interwebs without actually being willing to embrace the change in attitudes, content, image, and style of outreach that may accompany it. It reminds me of people who want to optimize Web pages, but are unwilling to use the language that searchers use. They want...
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- Brad
I want to learn python. Is there a way I can write a script to query the Purphy-Goode site (e.g., for a site that explains why the #1 vote getter isn't good enough for them?) once a day for something? Twice a day?
- Jason Miller
Neil - Like the Iran election taught us, you don't fake an election by declaring a landslide victory for your guy, You do it like W Bush did in 200, where you work it to an ~50.00000000000001% win, where the other side may not like it, but it's a plausible ending. W stole the election intelligently.
- Matthew DeVries
+2 Matthew.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
http://www.empirereport.org .. Report in there will remind folks that included in the terms of the offer, Murphy-Goode is NOT required to hire ANYBODY - Hello? Perfectly reasonable, on their part? Perfectly reasonable to understand that and take advantage for oneself? WHAT WILL THE REACTION BE ... IF THEY DON'T HIRE ANYONE?
- Bob Kennedy
I know this is late in the game, but we're talking about this with the wine community (and anyone else who is interested) on July 21st at 12 Noon EDT: http://tr.im/wine My impression was never that the votes were more than a cheer at the sidelines from fans and friends, like Lance passing you in the Tour de France. Now every action on the socmed space will need a EULA, a TOS and a long list of diseases and possible side effects, so they should start hiring folks from the pharm industry as soon as possible.
- randulo
As Tara Hunt will put it: They've just lost a great deal of whuffie.
- Jorge
Where's my vote? Note to PR: It is 2009- If you want participation (key word) in your brand, then deliver and reciprocate (key word #2). We all know this.
- E-Advocate Network
Jim Louderback did a great analysis/whatever of this whole situation yesterday http://louderback.com/2009...
- Chris Heath
Murphy-Goode says #1 spot isn't good enough to make top 50 - http://digg.com/celebri...
"I'm sorry Murphy Goode, but this is BS. What was the point of having a voting system? In the immortal words of Leo Laporte, screw you! You obviously know nothing about the world you are trying to enter into."
- Chris Pugh
Live now... this WEEK in TECH 200 with the original cast: John C. Dvorak, Patrick Norton, Roger Chang, and David Prager. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
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YES!
- Lise
Ahh. The twit streams has started.
- JR Holmes
Cool, are they going to talk about my ARM Laptop videos from Computex http://techvideoblog.com/...
- Charbax
this looks to be a good TWiT
- Chris Heath
ello
- Jackson Pollock
jello
- Scott Shenefield
jello again this is Jack Benny talking, and.. Don..
- David Lloyd
Kevin wasn't in the first episode of "Revenge of the Screensavers?" He had left G4 at that point, right?
- Scott Spaziani
Happy Fathers Day to all the TWITs!
- Mike Shulman
New iphone plagued by sound issues: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009...
- Charbax
Yes Happy Fathers Day guys!
- CJ Sauk
Scott: his announcement to leave G4 happened via a voicemessage on TWiT 1 or 2
- Jackson Pollock
can't remember quite which one
- Jackson Pollock
Robert Heron!
- Jackson Pollock
It's going to be fun!
- robby
http://discussions.apple.com/thread... My iphone 3gs has problems with being quite sharp and uneven glass on the right side.
- gully666uk
what about Chris pirillo
- ShawnStreitmatter
Pirillo wasn't an original member of twit
- Chris Pugh
I am watching TWiT and Nascar at the same time - might be the only one in the US doing it.
- Jeff Vreeland
500GB Ubuntu netbook with 2GB RAM at the same price as WinXP/160GB/1GB netbooks http://archosfans.com/2009...
- Charbax
Nah, Steve Gibson and Robert Heron would be the way to go for early twitters
- Jackson Pollock
lol @ kind of
- Lise
wow, Johns Scary looking...lol... (Yes it's my first time watching the show)
- CJ Sauk
Courtney, I was thinking the same
- Tom Griffin
i think Leo needs to start introducing John as "John C. is for ChannelDvorak.com"
- Ryan Riesterer
Congratulations on 200th episode Leo Laporte!! May there be many many more!!
- Kevin Adair
Happy Father's Day and Congrats on #200.
- Joseph Ferris
congrats on 200!
- Kyle Saric
Patrick's last solo run was TWiT 34!
- Jackson Pollock
correction; 46th
- Jackson Pollock
Hey, hello all. Newbie here. Hope better experience that irc
- joe mercier
Roger is very valuable in this conversation
- Jackson Pollock
Dvorak ..such a contrarian
- BryanSchuetz
It will be better here if only because of the persistence of the comments.
- JR Holmes
This is a lot better then the IRC, imo... I can actually read it
- CJ Sauk
a guest appearance of Merlin Mann would be great ;)
- Alpaslan Firat
I like friend feed much better than IRC
- Kevin Adair
My avatar here has a lobster.
- gully666uk
The USA didn't get a revote when Bush stole the election.. twice. So it'd be good for Iran if they can get it
- Charbax
Ah.....John, sour puss
- joe mercier
http://vimeo.com/5250120 - ''Iran needs more Zunes''. The stupidity of the Green avatars.
- Linton Davies
roll on patrick
- joe mercier
Great comment and well stated Patrick.
- JR Holmes
The problem is that the opposition leader is only for opening talks with the USA not for pure democracy
- Greg
Go Patrick!
- Ian Morpeth
NO! no no no. The majority wants the Ayatolla. It's the US dream that they want a democracy
- Jackson Pollock
I like it here , I can keep up.
- gully666uk
Roger is going to be screwed with any heated conversation
- Ryan
We don't know for sure the majority of Iran didn't vote for the evil guy
- Charbax
This is going to be madness
- nanochrome
out of studio really isolates him
- Ryan
It will never happen, as long as religion still controls the Country they will never have true democracy.
- CJ Sauk
A heavy starter to the show.
- Lise
This Week in Politics? Guys it's a Tech show
- Ian Morpeth
Well both candidates want the Ayatolla. It's not legal to run against that leadership
- Jackson Pollock
jackson pollock if the majority want the ayatolla then why are they making a big deal out of the presidential election?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Politics influenced by Tech
- Charbax
It's About Twitter.......... Kind Of
- nanochrome
Ian - It's sorta tech related. We're hearing about Iran through youtube and twitter...
- Lise
... or tech influenced by polictics...
- Tom Griffin
Preternat; I don't think they are. But it looks like they are from our position because the world SO wants a new Iran
- Jackson Pollock
why are people so against any political talk on this show, I think its interesting
- Ryan
yeah, agreed
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
the photographer TIME has been using in Iran is missing/arrested http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Chris Heath
ryan it gets too heated in regular chat; flame wars ensue; DOES ANYONE SEE THIS EDIT WITHOUT REFRESHING?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Patrick gets heated right away.
- Lise
turn david up, he is really low.
- Dakota O'Neill
I find your citation of friendfeed as evidence disturbing Chris ;-)
- Joel Bennett
i didn't realize patrick is such a jock
- Alistair
Leo dont believe everything on Twitter as gospel
- Greg
Hey, if it's on the internet, it MUST be true.
- Derek Erdmann
Even the press fall for web scams , anybody used wiki as a source?
- gully666uk
LOL
- nanochrome
Twitter just reminds me TOO much of the child's game Telephone.
- CJ Sauk
I admire the US very much because of how they react. But they're more heated up about this than Iranians are. Where was this enthusiasm when Napal and Myanmar were trying to do the same thing
- Jackson Pollock
Glad things cooled off ... started to get a little too heated there ...
- Jason Beck
twitter is a huge mess. The few accounts that are twittering from Iran would have been using emails with CNN/BBC instead.
- Charbax
i submitted this story for:twit on delicious Leo
- Chris Heath
(a bit off topic) I'm curious what everyone is looking at on their Laptops...
- CJ Sauk
I did notice the amount of twitter spamming to get in the trending topics recently like "goodhead" for example
- gully666uk
Most likely because not much was happeneing
- Jackson Pollock
I'm looking at live.twit.tv and this friendfeed room on the same 19" screen
- Charbax
I've got TWiT on the TV and FF on the laptop.
- Byron McCollum
Sorry, I meant what they are watching...
- CJ Sauk
They're the most modern country in the region!
- Jackson Pollock
There are satellite uplinks
- Charbax
haha John
- Ryan
I thought Saudi Arabia was
- CJ Sauk
dvorak.org/boobs
- gully666uk
Iran is the biggest natural resource for natural gas in the world, who's talking about that? most expensive pipelines for oil would go through Iran
- Charbax
My parents lived in Saudia Arabia, they always tell me that Saudi only hoped to be as free as Iran is
- Jackson Pollock
hahaha, Patrick just added the green overlay to twitter!
- Jackson Pollock
I've only ever been to Bahrain and U.A.E.
- CJ Sauk
We could all pay $1 to pay for her fine
- Charbax
No.... This is going to bite them in the ass huge
- CJ Sauk
One might argue that Dubai and other small nations are modern, but they are mostly basket cases from what I understand
- Jackson Pollock
Il pay a £1
- gully666uk
I'm with John! It should be a parking ticket, not a lifesentence
- Jackson Pollock
There are at least 3 Constitutional errors in the Judgment that they will be going back with
- CJ Sauk
Obama should legalize piracy
- Charbax
TERRORISM! Scaring the american public
- Ryan
RIAA wants to put the fear of people losing everything
- Greg
RIAA is a bully.
- Joseph Ferris
We should all go down in the streets and demonstrate until Obama legalizes piracy
- Charbax
They also tried to take a dead 86 y/o lady to court too
- CJ Sauk
Video is MPIA
- Greg
[texas accent]We cannot allow these terrorists in the RIAA to terrorizificate the American public.[/texas accent]
- Derek Erdmann
I have a feeling this judgment in favor of RIAA will shut them down eventually
- Kevin Adair
Video is MPAA
- Ryan
I say encourage people to buy non-drm instead of whining about the current business model. Vote with your dollars.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
it's funny that the US is so shocked by laws and rulings of Middle East nations. Europeans are shocked by US piracy laws and rulings
- Jackson Pollock
Lobbyists are in everyone's pockets
- Greg
With video non-drm is not usually available.
- Matt Leifer
The French right wing party is working for French owned Universal
- Charbax
What if you can't get it is the question
- Jackson Pollock
RIAA: Really Idiotic Accusation Association?
- Scott Hubble
You can download everything in 720p online, just as good if not better than most HDTV broadcasts
- Charbax
and plenty of 1080p
- Ryan
illegally of course
- Ryan
i believe that
- Chris Heath
Good job nobody knows where Leo lives
- gully666uk
I think that might be why the US doesn't embrace soccer. It seems they don't sit down and watch something start to finish, they walk around and do other stuff while they watch TV, and therefor soccer is hard to keep up with
- Jackson Pollock
if you pay for cable, is it legal to download something that you've technically already paid for? all you're really doing is providing your own dvr service?
- Chris Heath
Hows that different from american football?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Preternat; I haven't watched much of it, but there's a break every 3 minutes
- Jackson Pollock
it's nonstop, american football has breaks all the time
- Chris Heath
The US qualified miraculously to the semi final of the Confederations Cup today
- Charbax
Wonder if tthe cottage alarm system is Local only
- Greg
if you sit down and intend to watch something, it's annoying to sit there through 50% commercials
- Jackson Pollock
I love "Soccer" but Im English and we call it football
- gully666uk
no commercials except for the sideline ads also is another big difference
- Chris Heath
yeah, i see now. good point.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
yeah speedwatching of American Football is watch a play skip 30 seconds on the DVR
- Ryan
you can constantly get up and do things with no content loss
- Ryan
it really messes with your ability to focus for longer periods of time, you want stuff quick and fast
- Jackson Pollock
I'm afraid it's going to get a lot worse than a lot of commercials, pretty soon IMO you will be paying A LOT to watch the sports and it will be all on cable too :(
- Kevin Adair
Perhaps Americans are just more busy. Europeans (especially around the Mediterranean) are relaxed and calm, don't rush over ANYTHING
- Jackson Pollock
Im gonna catch the rest of this on fstream.see ya.
- gully666uk
what is fstream?
- Charbax
150 comments in half an hour? And I'm supposed to read through this and address people how? Dear Leo, your last remaining (official) forum misses you. Come back to leovilletownsquare.com some time to let people know it's worth using. If Friendfeed is the only thing that you plan on using from now on, please leave your forum a message so they stop trying to be involved with you.
- Robert
Robert, try http://irc.twit.tv
- Chris Heath
If you don't make your own fan page on Facebook, Facebook will actually DELETE the unofficial facebook fan page, without any questions, deleting all thousands of fans that were on the unofficial fan page
- Charbax
I do love you, Leo!
- Lise
American Football... not a matter of "busy" with me. I like the predictable periods of excitement (ie the plays), and appreciate some analysis in between. Replays come often too, if you're away for a minute and want to see what happened. If I'm at the field I prefer soccer.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Chris, I used Stickam to chat, but gave up because I'd like to use an actual forum to discuss TWiT related info, but the official TWiT Forum fiasco has pretty much destroyed all hope for that for a lot of people. The "Revenge" forum is sorta active, but has functionality issues.
- Robert
Exactly why i like futobol better... it's not predictable
- Chris Heath
Robert, stickam chat was the worst chat ever... irc has always been the official chat
- Chris Heath
american football was made popular in the US by George Clooney, watch the film
- Charbax
It also has something to do with the US always being "bigger and better". I have to admit soccer seems very girly after seeing 300lbs guys crashing into each other
- Jackson Pollock
US always is bigger and dumber you mean
- Charbax
Robert, how active is the leovilletownsquare? do you know how many users there are there?
- Chris Heath
They again, rugby is the same thing, only without any padding at all
- Jackson Pollock
jackson, kind of a mix
- Chris Heath
Yeah. I like the NFL though, when the playoffs are going on, I try to tune in. But I always do other stuff at the same time
- Jackson Pollock
John C should join the Friendfeed room instead
- Charbax
I thought we were discussing TWiT... not football...
- Derek Erdmann
Yea, we kinda went off topic(s)
- CJ Sauk
Preternat; I hear that
- Jackson Pollock
I trust Steve. Apple is like his kid. He wants it to succeed more than anything. He does what seems best.
- Jackson Pollock
Apple is an evil monopoly
- Charbax
What people forget, is that before having the surgery back when he first god cancer, he first spent 2-3 months trying "alternate" medicine
- Jackson Pollock
Question is has the Apple Board of Director opened themselves for lawsuits for not disclosing this information if its true?
- Greg
In some ways you are right Charbax but the quality of the apple creations are in a class of their own
- joe mercier
Greg; It's very compelling to say so, but would this really be the case in any other company? If Michael Dell had cancer, he had to disclose it to the board? I don't think so
- Jackson Pollock
maybe the liver transplant part is disinfo and he really got some other treatment
- Chris Heath
Quality? Apple products are always overpriced.
- Charbax
Apple is not even close to being a Monopoly
- CJ Sauk
Think it is a regulation in a publicly traded company
- Greg
Charbax, say what you will, but their quality is superb above anything else on the market.
- Jackson Pollock
It should have been reveled without a doubt. If I was a share holder I would be upset
- Jeff Vreeland
Itunes and OSX is a monopoly and should be illegal
- Charbax
OSX? it's at like 10%?
- Jackson Pollock
I agree Jackson Pollock
- joe mercier
No they are not....
- CJ Sauk
Because there are other choices they do not own a Monopoly
- CJ Sauk
OSX cannot be installed on third party hardware, definition of illegal monopolistic hardware/software lock
- Charbax
iTunes is a free download, with 100000x competitors
- Jackson Pollock
steve himself is probably the source
- Chris Heath
"a monopoly exists when a specific individual or enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it."
- CJ Sauk
itunes forces you to buy ipods
- Charbax
Charbax, so, if I build something, I have to sell the software to other people? that's bull
- Jackson Pollock
charbax ipods force you to use itunes
- Chris Heath
you have it backwards
- Chris Heath
But there are other MP3 Players
- CJ Sauk
if you buy music on itunes you have to buy ipods to play it back
- Charbax
cj and there are other music stores and organizers
- Chris Heath
Charbax? No? you can play it on the computer?
- Jackson Pollock
Charbax, and it's not even DRM'ed anymore
- Jackson Pollock
Apple is only "thought" of as a Monopoly because people are dumb enough to not look at other options
- CJ Sauk
I use Amazon's 256k music store, the quality is much better
- Kevin Adair
Apple unDRMed itunes only recently cause they were going to be sued by the European Union for billions
- Charbax
Kevin makes the point. If Apple were a monopoly in the area, he couldn't do that
- Jackson Pollock
I agree with Leo - the source was Apple so they could control the source.
- Jeff Vreeland
Apple does illegal monopolistic tactics selling the iphone as well, locking people in with carriers that pay Apple for exclusivity. That's illegal as well and evil. The EU is sueing Apple for that as well
- Charbax
I buy music from other sources, like Amazon.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Charbax; conclusion; if you don't like Apple products, you have options in every category. It's regrettable that you can't find products of equal quality
- Jackson Pollock
Segway to the ATT $30 credit
- Jeff Vreeland
Jackson - Agreed
- CJ Sauk
I find Archos to be of much higher quality. Plays DivX, Flash video, 95% of web videos, on much larger screens, HD resolutions and cheaper than the iphone
- Charbax
Charbax, perfect! I'm so happy you're happy with something else. Point made, they're not a monopoly
- Jackson Pollock
It doesn't change to the fact that Apple uses illegal monopolistic tactics
- Charbax
Canada has 3 yr contract for iPhone
- Greg
Archos used the ARM Cortex A8 about 10 months before Apple
- Charbax
720p video playback on an iphone would make no sense, since the screen resolution is so low and it has no HDMI output. Archos plays 720p on 3x larger resolution screen and has HDMI output
- Charbax
Could Google Voice change things when it comes out?
- CJ Sauk
Leo, Would love to hear everyone's opinion on how long AT&T will be the only carrier of iPhone.
- Jeff Vreeland
Google Voice will provide free VOIP on Android worldwide
- Charbax
It is recording 720p video that it can do, not playback (though probably via an external display).
- JR Holmes
SMS isn't technically data. It's sent through the phone's control channels that it uses to communicate with the tower. It doesn't cost the cell carrier anything extra to send SMS messages over the control channel because those bands have to be kept open anyway.
- nick
Wow, first I've heard this. Question is though, if you remove your Voice Plan from your phone and only go with Data will they increase the price
- CJ Sauk
it has no HD video input for recording, and the camcorder has bad optics so what would be the point
- Charbax
AT&T is good in the old Ameritech region (upper Midwest). It has good coverage and is pretty responsive.
- JR Holmes
You can have Data exclusive HSDPA sim cards in Europe for $20 per month.
- Charbax
I would kill for a data only iPhone...
- Byron McCollum
It's a great phone. The US just has horrible cell networks
- Jackson Pollock
I'm sure you can do it in Canada with Rogers
- CJ Sauk
Same here, Jeff Vreeland, I'd like an iPhone, but I'm not a fan of AT&T, how long must we wait?
- dawt
I would like a iphone and have been offered one but I am to cheap to fork over the monthly charges
- joe mercier
I really want an iPhone, but I can't really justify a $75 minimum monthly fee.
- Derek Erdmann
I've never had a dropped call in my life, but I live in tiny Norway, and we have a better network. So don't blame Apple. Howard Stern complains about dropped call on his Blackberry on AT&T non stop. Screw you AT&T
- Jackson Pollock
Voice is dead.
- Byron McCollum
Ole fly is with you
- joe mercier
Norway isn't tiny
- Charbax
I use a trac phone. (LOL) cause I'm cheap. Use a netbook for everything else
- joe mercier
Charbax; tiny compared with the US
- Jackson Pollock
Ok, hooked up a jpg with the sign on
- joe mercier
Audible should do an ad from where I work. People driving around on forklifts laughing their asses off listening to audiobooks
- Jackson Pollock
Way hooked on Audible
- joe mercier
Happy 200th TWIT Show and Anniversary!
- Emery Walker
Have to agree with you Derek E. That $75 US is what is stopping me. I have a dumbphone with data and it only costs me $50. A 50% increase is steep to me.
- JR Holmes
watching this episode, its like 1995 tech TV, great to see all again. also - friendfeed discussion is cool. Leo's right as always - FF rocks!
- echostreamer
385,155 km2 (Norway) - 9,970,610 km2 (Canada) - 9,629,091 km2 (USA)
- CJ Sauk
Norway has more coastline than the US
- Charbax
And Canada has the most coast line in the world
- CJ Sauk
The new iphone only costs $2099, what a bargain.
- Charbax
Charbax, damn right
- Jackson Pollock
What is this camera
- joe mercier
The adjustable scrubbing feature is actually specific to iPhone OS 3, not the iPhone.
- nick
Doesn't a Nikon DSLR cost the same and is much better?
- Charbax
He ordered it 'cause it's SHINY
- CJ Sauk
it's the retro thing
- Jackson Pollock
Hong Kong is still one of my most favorite Countries
- CJ Sauk
that's thailand
- Jackson Pollock
I just was in Hong Kong, it's cool. I prefer Taipei where I was for filming computex http://techvideoblog.com/categor...
- Charbax
ah great. TWiT and Howard taking the same weeks off. thank the lord I'm on vacation in the mountains of Norway.
- Jackson Pollock
Whats the ?
- CJ Sauk
try here?:)
- Jackson Pollock
Europe is cheap and awesome and you can travel all over with cheap airlines and check all the big cities
- Charbax
Charbax, awesome yes, cheap, no.
- Jackson Pollock
There is couchsurfing.com and Youth Hostels in every city all over europe
- Charbax
Definitely not cheap if coming from Canada
- CJ Sauk
a beer in oslo costs $13
- Jackson Pollock
That's funny
- Charbax
most expensive big mac in the world, $9. macbook pro; $2600, bla bla
- Jackson Pollock
Email Google would be the best bet, their support for Google Sites is actually quite good
- CJ Sauk
You can buy at cheapest EU prices at http://preissuchmachine.de but sure US is cheapest for consumer electronics
- Charbax
DUMB, DUMB LEO.....you to can be worked over
- joe mercier
is MS "Moro" the free anti bad stuff software for real?
- joe mercier
Google is only a through way, you would have actually received your Domain from Go Daddy (last I remember)
- CJ Sauk
You have to put the DNS stuff in and wait, sometimes wait 24/48 hours before DNS things propagate all over the world so your site works
- Charbax
charbax, problem is that you have to pay 25% of price to the government, and 10% tax, in addition to high shipping prices. leaves you where you started
- Jackson Pollock
Morro is real, but is of unknown quality. Initially it will look quite good, but part of the question will be how their updates are handled.
- JR Holmes
thanks jr.........ole fly not running any anti ware currenlty......
- joe mercier
preissuchmachine.de is including the VAT and all taxes, shipping is just 15€ for the whole of Europe
- Charbax
I thought Lindsay was asking the chat where to go on hollidays
- Charbax
charbax, whole of EU.
- Jackson Pollock
Joe: There are some good antiviruses that have a free version. Look for Avast and AVG.
- JR Holmes
Thanks JR
- joe mercier
Murphy-Goode's not gonna hire someone who swigs wine from the bottle, even it it's a joke.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
You can setup unlimited amount of emails using *@yourdomain.com forwarding, if they don't find out manually
- Charbax
hahahh. dave spritz
- Jackson Pollock
Cars should be taken off the streets
- Charbax
Strangely, I went to Sprint on the iPhone release day. They were desparate for people to come in. They actually had a Palm rep in a suburban store (and not an upmarket store). I wasn't too impressed by it. There is a lot of potential, but Android may be sucking out off the alternative iPhone juice.
- JR Holmes
$60 per month for 5GB is ridiculous. You get 10GB HSDPA for $20 in Europe with no contract needed
- Charbax
You can buy one and just use day passes--so pay as you go
- Larry Roth
Android will win it
- Charbax
it's $80 Canadian for just 5GB Data Plan
- CJ Sauk
for the Iphone
- CJ Sauk
For smartphones, I'm waiting for the Android flood of units toward the end of 2009. That will be an interesting time. The phone companies may actually start competing on that side of things. The mob of Android units may collectively start to give the iPhone some realistic competition.
- JR Holmes
It'll kill the iphone
- Charbax
I doubt it. The iPhone is on it's on level (at least in Apples eyes and other apple fanatics)
- CJ Sauk
iphone 4.0 will have to use Android if they will want to compete. Same with next Pre and Nokia.
- Charbax
Nite guys--Happy Father's day
- Larry Roth
As long as there are idiots that will pay for Apple because it's apple the price will stay in its own bubble
- CJ Sauk
Salad Daze is a Good Eats episode
- Zeeshan Virani
The iPhone has 50,000 reasons that the iPhone 4 will not be on Android.
- JR Holmes
Why doesn't he upload the Mpeg4 video to Youtube in full quality on an official Twit channel
- Charbax
Those iphone apps are 98% useless, not reasons for anything. Android apps will be much more useful and are much more useful already
- Charbax
That being said, there aren't too many reasons that anything other than the iPhone and Android will exist in the smartphone market in 2 years.
- JR Holmes
Ahh, but they exist... That's all the excuse most people need.
- CJ Sauk
hmm nop, most iphone users don't even know about the iphone apps
- Charbax
RIM will still own the SmartPhone market as it does now
- CJ Sauk
While many of the apps are poor, that still means that there are 1,000 good apps (to use your made up figure). Android doesn't even have that many apps total and it is also subject to the same ratio of good/bad.
- JR Holmes
As many techno geeks as there are, there are far more Business moguls that will stay with the Global RIM products
- CJ Sauk
Android will win cause it's open and free. Companies can compete all using Android and cause it'll have the best features and apps and be the fastest to implement on new hardware
- Charbax
They have to beat RIM (Blackberry) first
- CJ Sauk
RIM may own the corporate e-mail market for the next few years. There is a lot of inertia there. On a 5-year horizon, businesses may want to look at low cost alternatives.
- JR Holmes
blackberry will use Android also eventually
- Charbax
Ture, but cost only comes in on the Service Provider side.
- CJ Sauk
Android will need a lot more work before that happens
- CJ Sauk
Soon people will demand $100 smartphones that are totally unlocked and only require $20 per month data plans with competition on every level, from hardware to carrier
- Charbax
Blackberry may hold out long enough in the business niche to be unable to make the transition to Android. They have little interest in the app market that iPhone and Android are building. Without that, they will be left behind.
- JR Holmes
Android will make $100 unlocked smartphones with $20 data plans and free VOIP/IM happen faster than you think
- Charbax
Blackberry App World... It's already there
- CJ Sauk
Blackberry's app market is an afterthought. Just as Charbox said, there is a problem with the good/bad ratio everywhere. The few good apps on Blackberry aren't sufficient to make the marketplace good.
- JR Holmes
App World already has all the (usable) apps that iPhone and Android have so there's no competition there
- CJ Sauk
You made the point right there... All apps that are used "by the mass" are or will be available on all phones
- CJ Sauk
Just like Extensions for browsers, the maker will always want to get everyone they can thus making their apps available on all products.
- CJ Sauk
Looks like I got the last word. Bye all.
- JR Holmes
Leo it's June 21st not 22nd. In your TWIT 200 intro you say June 22nd!!!!!!!
- Konrad Farrugia
Konrad, that's cuz the podcast comes out tomorrow, not today... he said 'for june 22nd'
- Chris Heath
The guy who took the iconic picture of the Iranian protests, Amir, is now on friendfeed. His site has now been banned in Iran. More: - http://tehranlive.org/2009...
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Amir's friendfeed account is http://friendfeed.com/amirpix -- his photography reminds me of one quote I remember from my photojournalism classes at San Jose State University: "If your pictures aren't good enough, you're not close enough." That quote was from Robert Capa, here's an article in Time Magazine about Capa: http://www.time.com/time...
- Robert Scoble
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This image is iconic. I've looked at thousands of images from Saturday. It is the best one out of all the images of the Iranian elections and if it doesn't win the Pulitzer Prize it'll be a damn injustice.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for keeping up on this Robert. Great Job!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I don't remember being able to talk to the photographer who has made a historic image within hours of the image being made. Another small way our world has changed.
- Robert Scoble
Pretty incredible how fast it changes and how fast it all works
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
makes the news far more real watching it unfold in real time
- Roger Oldham
He shot quite a bit of video too, which is on his friendfeed account. I hope that he eventually can tell us more about the context of this image. What was going through his mind as he pressed the shutter.
- Robert Scoble
I can't wait until his image joins these other Pulitzer Prize winners: http://www.newseum.org/exhibit... -- if you ever are in Washington DC, this is a must-visit exhibit at the Newseum, by the way. They have every Pulitzer-prize winning photos with the stories from the photographers of how the images were made.
- Robert Scoble
So awesome we're able to get this kind of coverage and intimate ambiency with news & newsmakers. Never would get this the traditional way.
- phil baumann
I just hope he's safe with all the eyes that are on him. They blocked his site, but he has unblocked our sight of what is happening there.
- Californian
it's re-sensitizing for a world which had become numb to the impact of dramatic news breaking
- Roger Oldham
I hope Amir comes out of this OK. Iran has banned his site, and the government there isn't friendly to those who do real journalism. I hope someday to meet Amir and go on a photowalk with him. He does great work.
- Robert Scoble
For kids studying journalism in college, right now must be an exciting time.
- phil baumann
I like the image and its a strong representation of the moment but I wouldn't be too hasty in giving it iconic status. This story is still playing out and no one knows where it'll end and Amir and others covering this on the ground might well come out with Iran's "Tank Man" or "Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima" before its over. I hate to play devil's advocate but I felt it was too early to be calling this. I just hope he stays safe whilst covering this story
- Jon Dillon
it's amazing how powerful a single photo can be.
- Chris Pugh
Jon: sorry, but you're wrong. This is an image akin to the guy standing in front of the tanks in Tianenmen Square (which also won a Pulitzer). I knew immediately when I first saw that image that it would be the one that history remembers from that day. This is the image that history will remember from Saturday. If there's another image that's better, well, then two Pulitzers should be handed out.
- Robert Scoble
@Jon - I'd respectfully disagree. Even if you take this photo out of context (if you don't know the situation), this is one, lone woman, raising a flag against a host of riot police descending on her. That alone is an amazingly powerful moment, quite possibly iconic.
- Jennifer Dittrich
All the photos on the blog post of his are fascinating ... talk about live news coverage
- Violet Bliss Dietz
whoops ... here's the blog post url http://tehranlive.org/2009...
- Violet Bliss Dietz
BTW: Boston.com's The Big Picture has tons of great photos from the day too: http://www.boston.com/bigpict... -- wonderful examples of photojournalism.
- Robert Scoble
But none of Boston.com's examples come close to the power of Amir's photo, although several are gripping and several deserve Pulitzer status as well.
- Robert Scoble
Digg photo here - http://digg.com/world_n...
- Mike Bracco
I was also rather surprised hearing Kaddafi during his visit to Italy say "Women are like a piece of furniture you can change when you want and nobody will ever question why you did so". (http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world...) I think we are seeing history in the making.
- Michele Costabile
Are you sure she's alone and not just standing out it front? I'm watching images stream in live on the AFP photo wire and there's a ton of very strong shots from Saturday that also define the moment. I didn't want to be seen to be putting this shot down its just when I think of iconic images its usually an image that represents the event not just a facet of an event. Personally I don't think this one is in the same league as Tank Man but time could prove me wrong.
- Jon Dillon
These pictures are unbelievable - thanks for sharing Robert!
- Ryan Kelly
Robert: will forward this information along, great find. Thanks for tracking this down.
- Mark Essel
Michele: Iran's treatment of women is why Amir's image has even more power than most of those on Boston.com's site and other places. It combines women's struggles with those of the struggles to get a democracy. Ryan: thanks, it is an incredible story and we're lucky that so many great photographers were there to make images. It's an interesting time in our lives, too, when technology helps us not just see history but have conversations with those who are both making it and capturing it.
- Robert Scoble
This is the new Democracy! using social media to get the opinion of the masses
- Constantine
@Jon - I'm pretty sure she is standing in front of other people, but part of the power of the photograph is in isolating her, without anyone else in the frame. That speaks a lot to the skill of the photographer as much as the moment being captured.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Amir's full name is Amir Sadhegi, which is listed on the about page on http://tehranlive.org
- Robert Scoble
Countries think if they shut off access the problem will go away, when actuality it highlights it. Amir's pictures remind me of Capra too. He absolutely knew how to frame a story.
- Janet Fouts
Here's an image Amir made of the woman and another guy running: http://twitpic.com/7c6jz
- Robert Scoble
@jennifer - I totally agree, I've been in the news photo biz for many a year and had the pleasure of witnessing many an event unfold through photos in real time. My only issue was whether now was the time to call iconic status on an event unfolding.
- Jon Dillon
Jon: I think history will judge this image to be the iconic one. Yes, I do think we can say that when the events are unfolding. We did that with the tank image from Tianenmen.
- Robert Scoble
Wow there are a lot of iconic images on that page
- Chris Saad
German TV News has a TV special about Twitter/Social Networks and Iran right now
- Frank Koehntopp
@Robert - As I said we'll see and always happy to be proved wrong. Although Tank Man didn't hit the wires until June 5th yet the Tiananmen protests began in mid-April. During the seven weeks there was many an image that seemed to define the protests "goddess of democracy", "students feeding soldiers trapped in the crowds" today everyone remembers Tank Man.
- Jon Dillon
Frank - do you have a link?
- phil baumann
For more coverage of Iran that's got some organization to it, see Andrew Sullivan's blog, The Daily Dish. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
- Violet Bliss Dietz
Check this picture from HuffPo's slideshow http://is.gd/12FoD There's a lot of people in that pic. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
- Violet Bliss Dietz
Keep it up, Amir! Stay 'wise' and safe! Welcome on FriendFeed, the effective, best info discovering & spreading tool.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Stay safe Amir. We wish you and your brave countrymen in Iran the best of luck
- Russ Jackson
It's interesting to note that on June 5th Amir favorited the 1989 Tiananmen video on Youtube: http://friendfeed.com/amirpix...
- Yuval Atzmon
The Iranian elections: is democracy viral? - http://futurismic.com/2009...
reading
- Chris Pugh
Live now... This Week In Tech with John C. Dvorak, Dwight Silverman, Doug Kaye, and Wil Harris. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
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Afternoon all
- Simon Wicks
There we go
- Iain
hi leo
- Jack McLoughlin
hi all
- Aubrey_Ingraham
here we are, hello
- monkeystick
Looks like a good lineup today
- Chris Heath
hi
- Dave
Darren Landrum, present and accounted for! :-)
- Darren Landrum
Hello
- Stephen Pickering
yo. looking forward to being a TWiT guest!
- Dwight Silverman
hey hop
- Robin Ramael
howdy all
- Chris Pugh
Great Lineup
- Stephen Pickering
Hello, world!
- Nate
Ah we can escape the madness of IRC
- Greg Byrne
cool to see wil in studio
- Aubrey_Ingraham
G'day from AussiMike
- Mike Aikins
Greetings from sunny Vancouver, B.C,
- Colin Clarke
the best line up in a while
- Ben Correll
This is more fun than IRC
- Stephen Pickering
Greetings from Austria
- Chris
Hi all
- Paul Blasman
w00t Dwight Silverman representing Texas in the house!!
- Andrew Johnson
And we're off!
- Bill Heslin
Hello from upstate New York -- Joe Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
Whats up with Dvorak's picture? lol
- Donald Forth
Xbox Natal may be a front for a new xbox console leo - http://www.techradar.com/news...
- Michael Mooney
John Durham, Redlands, CA
- John Durham
Greetings from Antarctica!
- Ross Johnson
hello from london town
- AV
Greetings
- Corey Kliewer
Hello from Dublin
- Paulo Custodio
Like Oprah you wield power. Use it wisely (unlike Oprah)
- Gold
that's nice and constructive and mature AhronZombi
- Robin Ramael
/ignore ahronzombi
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Hello from Edinburgh
- Callum
feed went down?
- Ross Johnson
Leo will not be bought!
- Eduardo Contreras
Twitter making money (for DELL) - http://www.techradar.com/news...
- Michael Mooney
Woo! A European perspective!
- John Frazer
How do we go about blocking this rather cancerous (by quality of contribution) AhronZombi?
- 1x29
Is the Pre coming to T-Mobile.
- Eduardo Contreras
Adrian, click his name, then "Block this user"
- Greg Byrne
Is there anyway to move the Comment link in friend feed to below the latest post? Or to get the feed top down instead?
- 1x29
Dwight, you should have stopped by while you were up here. Oh, you don't know me....
- Lee
Looks like good panel today. I
- David Jones
Blocked
- David Lloyd
Thanks, Greg :)
- 1x29
Adrian click the time stamp
- Stephen Pickering
oh cool, i didn't know! it's possible to block him here: http://friendfeed.com/ahronzo...
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Congrats!! Dwight, you must be proud!
- Eduardo Contreras
Adrian Glave click the time stamp, click again an you'll get a pop out window
- Simon Wicks
screw you!
- Ross Johnson
Screw you!
- David Lloyd
time stamp?
- 1x29
i don't get a time stamp
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
blocked... Leo needs some mods in here to take care of the worst of the worst
- Chris Heath
facebook.com/screwyou
- Callum
Amazon's cloud was struck by lightning - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009...
- Michael Mooney
adrian: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Chris Heath
Thanks to Greg Byrne for pointing out how to block. AhronZombi blocked.
- Gold
Preternat: "10 minutes ago"
- Michael
"4 minutes ago" at the top
- Greg Byrne
It's at the top where the conversation time was started
- Stephen Pickering
the gilmore gang is crap
- AhronZombi
8 minutes ago is the time stamp thing..
- Simon Wicks
what the heck is dvorak's picture?
- Ross Johnson
You don't need moderators here. Each user is free to block whomever they want.
- Kevykev
breaking news: the Pre will be successful
- Jeremy Stanley
Sorted :) Thanks, all :)
- 1x29
Interesting that the feed is a little faster than the video feed. It's like it's clairvoyant.
- Scott Thomas
i disagree chris... a lot of blocks on someone should eventually become good metadata. i'm good with that
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
pre aint going to cause a shopping spree
- AV
Scoble is always saying how great FF is at moderation, we should make use of it
- Greg Byrne
AhronZombi:"Anarchy , hacking, and porn". You do know that Anarchy is not the same as being a complete wanker in public right?
- Gold
Gold, don't feed the troll
- Chris Heath
ah, thx y'all... yeah, time stamp at the top
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Any word on how open the Pre will be for programmers to develop for? As open as Android? Not as much?
- Darren Landrum
Everyone complains about ATT, am I the only one who has no complaints about their coverage. Okay they have a tower down the street from our house.
- Paul Blasman
14-year-old student finds new type of solar explosion - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009...
- Michael Mooney
I'm in an AT&T black hole
- HeavenLike
Paul, i only complain that there's no 3g in my city while smaller cities nearby have it
- Chris Heath
Paul, ever had to deal with ATT's customer service?
- Christopher A Carr
G1 (T-Mobile) and iTouch is better than switching to iPhone with AT&T.
- Gary Kostrivas
There's free tethering apps on T-Mobile for the G1!!!!
- Ross Johnson
Wil's right
- Jeremy Stanley
I've always assumed that all the Customer Service Reps suck!
- Paul Blasman
"Subsidy" http://i.gizmodo.com/5284318...
- Kevykev
Pre's biggest problem is going to be the next wave of phones running Android 2.0.
- Christopher A Carr
That's ATT hacking Dwight's connection
- Devon Blugh
I find t-mobiles's reps to be much better than ATT's.
- Christopher A Carr
iphone or pre?
- Paulo Custodio
Yup, interference gone :)
- 1x29
How can Palm not have any plans for a world GSM version yet?
- Thomas Søndergaard
AT&T realized they've been discovered...no more interference
- Devon Blugh
I think Android will suffer the same problem as Windows Mobile, multiple handset manufacturers and no consistency of user experience between phones.
- Callum
Should I pay for an ETF when the Pre comes to Verizon?
- Jeremy Stanley
first palm needs to survive thomas
- vondutch
Looks like according to the details, the full price only applied to people with the 3G iPhone...
- Jamison Judd
Thomas, I think they do, just no planned release date
- Devon Blugh
I've had positive experiences with both Windows Mobile and Android so far.
- Ross Johnson
Verizon doesn't line wifi on their phones though...
- Joel W Tscherne
But is it really worth it for Apple to create a CDMA iPhone?
- Michael
I was on verizon for 7 years. I loved verizon but i never liked any of their phones. I went to the iphone
- richie hernandez
Michael - how hard is it to make another chip?
- Paul Blasman
Verizon likes too much control on their handsets...
- Ari
verizon would love to have the iphone
- Chris Heath
My concern exactly Joel - I'll bet if the iPhone comes out on Verizon it doesn't have wifi
- Mark Moran
I don't think so Callum. The UI will be pretty consistent, and there are only so many handset styles that work well. WinMo sucks on it's own...
- Christopher A Carr
Paul - They need to write the drivers for the CDMA chipset, too. Put it through FCC testing, etc. I just don't know if it's worth it.
- Michael
Verizon turned down the iPhone. Think they would make a different decision now?
- Scott Thomas
I bought my iPhone in April so I'm stuck with the 3G for awhile. Of course I'll get the next version!
- Joel W Tscherne
You can get refurb 8Gig 3G for $79, that's a tempting upgrade
- Paul Blasman
Thats just mobileme, not the 3g s
- Simon Wicks
I realized that the iPhone 3GS and Palm Pre have the same CPU and graphics chips
- Matthew
You can turn it off on the phone too
- Mark Moran
paul $99 for the old 3g
- Chris Heath
And a thief can turn off the location service on the phone.
- Michael
cold medicine
- Scott Thomas
O2 Pre-Pay iPhone 3G 8GB - £342.50, iPhone 3G S 16GB - £440.40 & iPhone 3G S 32GB - £538.30
- Michael Mooney
Ahmedinejad!
- Michael
give up the link to the funny Apple commercial plz :)
- rob friedman
MobileMe is garbage IMHO.
- Bill Grant
There's a little uvular fricative in Ahmedinejad...
- Christopher A Carr
MobileMe is too expensive but it's nice when you rebuild a Windows PC and Contacts and Calendar items are synched to Outlook.
- Callum
To be fair to CNN, they're doing a much better job in Iran coverage today. They're still claiming they need us to wait until they properly package their coverage, though.
- Jim Stanger
I hope they mention the reasoned anaysis of the Iranian election here: http://www.tomstechblog.com/post... and not just claim CNN is dead
- Greg Byrne
LOL
- HeavenLike
it's not just CNN though
- Chris Heath
i think i would get mobileme if it was $52
- richie hernandez
Callum I agree, Mobileme should come with the iPhone service
- Paul Blasman
you can find mobileme greatly discounted lots of places, i think it's $69 at amazon
- James Tussey
Just use Google Sync instead of MobileMe... works great for me.
- Jason Hansen
I got it for $69 when I bought my new MacBook Pro
- Joel W Tscherne
It's entirely too easy to create fake Twitter accounts pretending to be anywhere in the world, though. How can we verify which Twitter accounts are genuine and which are not?
- Darren Landrum
content... not context on Twitter. Though journalism might not always get context right
- Jeremy Stanley
Good point Darren
- Callum
I heard on the radio this morning that foreign journalists are being arrested and confined to the hotels.
- Johnny Worthington
should get Scoble's wife on to talk about Tehran
- Chris Pugh
Yes, GPS did great coverage
- Jim Stanger
darren landrum over time, and vetting. it's not always possible, but usually
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Does anyone know if "The Daily Show's" Jason Jones is still in Tehran?
- Jeremy Stanley
@Callum: There were accusations of some of the Iranian Twitter accounts being fakes. It's hard to tell.
- Darren Landrum
Fareed Zakaria gets it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Were news outfits not aware that Iran was having elections?
- Bill Grant
there's a middle ground, though. CNN reporters can tweet just as well as any new iffy account
- Jim Stanger
In the end, we have to use our own intelligence and make our own decisions about what and who to trust.
- Darren Landrum
bill grant good point, but people should also demand it
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Are there any "Verified Accounts" from Twitter users in Iran?
- Ken Sheppardson
But how do you cover things when you are about to get arrested?
- Johnny Worthington
Apple need thier own digg site to take on AP & REUTERS with user content.
- Michael Mooney
@Ken yep... i guess the point is our first (not necessarily the best or most accurate) place to get breaking news might be twitter. The trending topics are amazing.
- Bill Grant
Can't trust eyewitness accounts. We don't know the real source of the tweets!
- Joel W Tscherne
but the MSM had people reporting from hotel rooms in Bagdhad while we were attacking. They can report under tough circumstances. they have for decades
- Jim Stanger
@Joel, i have to kinda agree, look at the Digg army and the faked front page stories as an example.
- Ryan Scullen
otoh i felt i usually got better overview with a weekly magazine or hour pbs show. up to the minute news isn't exactly highly enlightening, in general
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
HI all my first time in this.
- caffeinefreedavid
You should not take everything posted on twitter as gospel
- Greg
We only see something from one individual's point of view. Many conspiracy theories are still alive because ONE person claims to have seen something that can't be easily disproved.
- Joel W Tscherne
Leo, does a Re-Tweet count as a second source?
- Gabe
up-to-the-minute speculation is especially aggravating
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I think the problem is that it was the weekend... the news stops then
- Jeremy Stanley
Then they jump on a story too quick and it's a prank call
- Mark Moran
no it doesn't gabe
- Chris Heath
if you Apple made it a yearly membership that will help
- Michael Mooney
Flickr has a great photostream
- Howard Losiewicz
The day CNN or any other "major news outlet" goes on the air to simply report on what they're reading on Twitter is the day they lose any last shred of credibility.
- Ken Sheppardson
agreed ken
- Chris Heath
I don't want my news channel to tell me what it means - I'll figure it out for myself
- Mark Moran
You're right Ken.
- kenneth glenn
Context is everything in live coverage
- Gabe
@Greg Agreed (on twitter <> gospel) but I think people used to think of the news media as gospel and this is also incorrect. People are better off taking lots of sources and drawing their own conclusions. This was mentioned during the last or second to last twit...
- Bill Grant
The reporters had an early night as they had been up getting their Facebook URLs
- Greg Byrne
This is the service that is summarizing the real-time web version of the Iran events - http://iran.twazzup.com/
- Chris Saad
Unfortunately old fashioned TV/Radio companies have cut their budgets so much that I'm surprised they do ANY live international reports
- Joel W Tscherne
If you want random 140 character anecdotes from anonymous sources, you've go Twitter. If you want somebody to spend a few hours collecting information, verifying sources, and asking follow-up questions, you've got CNN
- Ken Sheppardson
Bll Grant true but at least you know with networks where to complain.. it twitter u have anonymous postings
- Greg
Tell us when it means, no way. But, giving us information so we can evaluate for ourselves. They have access to lots of experts...ones that don't yell and scream their points.
- Jim Stanger
There is no rush. John nails it.
- Ken Sheppardson
yup
- Chris Heath
The BBC picked up the riots pretty quickly. They've been covering the whole event for weeks. Even a breaking news banner for CNN would suffice, regardless of edited footage, surely they have journalists on the street.
- Daniel Rowley
It's not about rush - it's about avoiding the filter
- Chris Saad
Why do we watch car chases? Because we're idiots.
- Ken Sheppardson
If stringers can provide accurate context and journalistic style coverage they would be worth paying leo
- Gabe
There are never any car chases where I live in North Carolina.
- Michael
@Greg I suppose, but I think people just assume journalists are by definition balanced when in reality everyone has a bias.
- Bill Grant
Great conversation, excellent guys!
- Ryan Massie
CNN is willing to go hours and hours with talking heads speculating on the newest detail of a missing girl story, but they won't do the same for major world events
- Jim Stanger
Haha Michael only once every 5 years
- kenneth glenn
When people are streaming video, is that mis-information?
- Colin
The newsrooms have been victim of cost cutting for years now. Cheaper to have shows with talking heads. Now, we can't get real news because they don't have people positioned in the hot spots of the world.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
cave man instinct. hard to overcome. like tribal prejudice. hmm, going of on tangent now :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
People want to always be the first to tell a story. It's why they can often be wrong!
- Joel W Tscherne
Kenneth - I'm just down the road from you in Chapel Hill, but within spitting distance of the Durham line.
- Michael
@Colin Interesting.... but we all know that even video can be misleading if taken out of context.
- Bill Grant
On the other hand, CNN will spend 6 hours on a fixed shot of some plane sitting on a tarmac speculating about what's going on inside with no real information whatsoever, so... there's a bit of a double standard.
- Ken Sheppardson
I mean we criticize them for that.
- Ken Sheppardson
CCCC - Car Chase Cable Channel
- Dave T
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
- Ken Sheppardson
Conversation is such a lame buzzword~~~
- Ross Johnson
CNN INternational had great coverage on Twitter and on their network this weekend. The people who decided NOT to switch to the International feed should be fired.
- joebrooks
24/7/365 live as it happens off a ticker kills the story for most viewers
- Michael Mooney
That's the definition of news isn't it, up to the date information.
- Daniel Rowley
I wonder if BBC was covering the events in Iran faster than the US new stations? Is the US new stations only caring about in-the-country-news?
- Ryan Scullen
why does the "twit live desktop 2.0" only do audio now? it used do video a few weeks ago. ....ah it worked as soon as I opened a twit live tab in my browser. Odd
- Ian Murphy
I was in Egypt recently and I was amazed about how different the CNN International stories were from the ones on CNN in the U.S.
- Bill Grant
Daniel: No. Live 24x7 streams of everything happening everywhere all the time isn't "news". "News" is somebody with some experience and judgement filtering out stuff that matters and flagging it for others.
- Ken Sheppardson
News isn't news if it isn't accurate. That just makes it rumor.
- Joel W Tscherne
They could certainly provide a background or base to help evaluate events when they happen. They have access to all sorts of historians and experts that can provide useful info without the speculation of the breaking news moment.
- Jim Stanger
jim stanger bugs me too... angers me. chichen and egg tho... also have to blame the consumer who's buying it.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Ryan: the BBC were covering events way before CNN.
- Daniel Rowley
I also thought @BreakingNews on twitter was doing SUPERB coverage of the events in Iran.
- joebrooks
The other problem with TV news is the need to be commenting on every story. I don't care about pundit Joe Blow's opinion on a topic.
- Joel W Tscherne
Why isn't what I had for lunch "news"? Because it's irrelevant to everyone except me. We know that because "journalists" watch the live feeds and call our attention to what's important.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Richsanchezcnn was doing a better job than CNN recommending ppl to follow
- kenneth glenn
this show has more scoops than ben&jerry's
- vondutch
The role of journalism is to watch the live feeds and tell us what's important, what matters, and what's going to affect our lives.
- Ken Sheppardson
@donlemoncnn kinda angered me. It was along the lines of "hey I gave Iran 10min tonight. What more do you want?"
- Jim Stanger
...and verify. Check sources, make sure not so spread rumor, put things in context...
- Ken Sheppardson
however, he's on right now stepping it up tremendously.
- Jim Stanger
Joel - agreed. i see more straight to the actual events news here in canada. US has too many "news celebrities" that skew information WAY too much with their commentaries.
- Ryan Scullen
Good point Dwight. I love reading the same story in multiple ways in my rss reader.
- Joel W Tscherne
you can do a nearly 24/7/365 live as it happens off a ticker but you have to have content to help viewers understand the ticker news
- Michael Mooney
but Ken, those feeds offer a narrow view of a situation, with very little context. A remote aggregatior can't provide that reliably
- Gabe
What do you mean "but" Gabe? What did I say that you disagree with?
- Ken Sheppardson
I don't mean "feed" as in sit there watching Twitter, I mean everything that's happening everywhere. I was speaking figuratively. Sorry...
- Ken Sheppardson
@micheal that's why i don't understand why ccn cut ccn-text, that was very informative
- vondutch
Ken: I don't think news should just be information that affects our lives. We can understand and have reported information streamed to us without it necessarily having any direct impact upon us.
- Daniel Rowley
Whose picture is that on the video feed for TWIT? That bearded guy does not look like the chief cranky geek.
- Bill Grant
What about Libel or Slander. How can you trust what is being "reported"
- William
Bill, it's Dvorak's skype avatar
- Chris Heath
voice of san diego rocks!
- Jeremy Stanley
@Chris LOL thanks, must be as accurate as a SecondLife/WoW avatar
- Bill Grant
I'm saying that traditional journalism has the advantage of trained professionals on the ground rather than armatures that might not know what questions to ask, video to shoot, and could get themselves hurt if they are not careful
- Gabe
Daniel: I disagree. If it doesn't affect other people, it's not news. It's the journalists job to *explain* HOW it affects our lives.
- Ken Sheppardson
Classifieds (which is what Craigslist is destroying) was the crack cocaine of newspapers. Classifieds aren't related to the news or delivering the audience of news. Classifieds could appear anywhere that enough eyeballs collect. The audience for NEWS is differerent from the audience for classifieds. That so many newspapers depended upon the easy money of classifieds was a convenient drug. Now newspapers are going cold turkey and need to find how to live with the smaller NEWS audience.
- JR Holmes
bill, he used to have a rainbow clown hair avatar
- Chris Heath
@Ken - I disagree. What happens in Iran does not affect my life. That statement is only true the more local the story MIGHT be.
- Ryan Scullen
@Chris Now that sounds more accurate :-)
- Bill Grant
Ryan: I didn't say what's going on in Iran doesn't affect us. It does. The news outlets need to explain why. Tweets in isolation don't do that. Twitter is raw material.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hi. We probably chatted on irc. I like to continue conversation in a less crazy way and not that fast:) - Please 'friend' me or let's follow each other at Twitter @buckybit - Like to connect. Thanks, Twit Army:)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
it would be nice if the major news programs at least had a ticker at the bottom. Wish they spent more on their research, correspondents and less on their gee wiz gimmicks.
- Kim Landwehr
Ken: how does it affect your day to day life unless you have family or travel plans to the area? My point is your statement is true for local stories, but not necessarily for international stories.
- Ryan Scullen
Journalism and news aren't just a matter of narrating what you're watching. You need to have context and explanation.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ryan This Earth is getting smaller, 100 years ago I bet someone could say something happening a state over doesn't affect him/her.
- Bill Grant
Ryan, I don't agree at all. That's like saying what happened in Afghanistan in 2000 didn't effect us. This is Iran, a country our leaders love trying to make the next bad guy. What happens there will effect all of us.
- Jim Stanger
Nigel Planer did an episode of Carpool which was a good watch
- Iain
Does Friendfeed have other "conversations"? Like for the Iran Election?
- Randy Willard
Libel/Slander: If you mess up as a journalist, like make stuff up, then you don't work again in the business. You'll then have to become a blogger or find another industry.
- William
Ryan: Great question. I'm sure if you watch The News Hour on PBS on Monday they'll have 10-15 minutes with experts who'll put it all in context for us. Or, we can just watch random tweets from people allegedly in Iran.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Bill Grant The compressed world is what makes it important to me. As Jim illustrated, it is important because the US will need to respond in some manner and that will cost you money.
- JR Holmes
Randy, this is a 'room' or 'group' created by leo for the specific purpose of discussing the live stream shows ... there's nothing stopping someone from starting an 'iran-election' group - but getting people to coalesce around the group is the hard part... that doesn't happen easily/quickly
- Chris Heath
Randy: Other FriendFeed conversations on the Iran elections - http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Ken Sheppardson
@JR 100% agree... Things that happen in other countries matter to me in a way that might not have affected my great grandparents in their time.
- Bill Grant
yeah ken, a search is a good way to find stuff
- Chris Heath
Jim - I agree that stories can impact us later, but international stories tend to have less of a direct impact compared to national stories.
- Ryan Scullen
I really like the new friend feed, they've done a good job improving it to make it useful.
- Bill Grant
OK, I'm not familiar with FF yet, and wondered if it was possible. thanks
- Randy Willard
i back john.c's comment
- Michael Mooney
@Ryan Well true that the things that affect you most are the closest (at least usually).
- Bill Grant
in a bigger context, i see vetting (eg journalistic) sources as an essential act that everyone should learn... as demonstrated even here, in ff. i need to be able to assess, then depend on a hierarchy of reliable sources above me. it takes time to do that
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Ken - news organizations can get access to more 'official' sources of news (aka government representatives) but we all know that PR does not tell the real story. tweets as raw info, at least to me, is more valuable. RTs don't count. twitpics = more legitimacy.
- Ryan Scullen
@Ryan True. I just cringe when we as a nation don't pay attention to something that happens beyond our borders until it's about to bite us in the keester. Forewarned/Forearmed doesn't seem to apply to our society.
- Jim Stanger
The web's going to take over the console business
- Stephen Pickering
Sims 3 sets franchise record 1.4 million copies in first week http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
- Jim Lyons
low cost, small sized games like Tetris are the way to make money
- Michael Mooney
my first real use of ff... i wish i could see avatars to help me remember what comments belong to who
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
My current favorite game is the NY Times Crossword app on my iPhone!
- Joel W Tscherne
Jim - once news organizations have a crystal ball to tell us the future with 100% accuracy, I'm ditching web news and watching tv news again lol.
- Ryan Scullen
World of Goo anyone???
- Ross Johnson
Leo: Basis for that statement, please.
- Ken Sheppardson
which statement (for me and for the record here)? :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
sounds like an eeePC model #
- Gabe
That's the plot for Deep Impact. 14 year old spots the comet first
- Joel W Tscherne
"Sepulveda [Pivotal Labs], whose group builds applications for companies wanting mobile offerings, said he’s advising his clients — Twitter, BestBuy and Salesforce among them — to start on the Pre. The phone’s operating system, called WebOS, offers the most compelling place to build and test a prototype, for both cost and technology reasons, he said." -- http://venturebeat.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
give palm pre some time for people to develope before you write it off
- Omar Atin
Did I just hear that right, one side of the USB ports on a Mac are better than the other?
- Bill Grant
yup
- Ross Johnson
Something wrong with the mac? This bit will be edited out
- Greg Byrne
I would like to start dev for the Pre, but I don't think its got the base OS to pull off a casual games platform. I read on Gizmodo i think that the Pre's REAL target competition will be the blackberry.
- Ryan Scullen
"Got a Pre? Like Nintendo? If you fit in the overlapping intersection of that particular Venn diagram, then have I got some good news for you. Some enterprising individuals over at the Pre Dev Wiki have gotten a NES emulator up and running on the Palm Pre." -- http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
You need to have a puppet TWiT!
- Ryan Massie
I moved off of this conversation and I have no idea how to get back.... Now I need to keep hitting the comment link at the top every time. This could be a little more intuitive.
- Bill Grant
Doom on the Palm Pre - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
I think we just heard this weeks title "Face Squatting"
- Paul Blasman
xbox live + XNA Game Studio 3.1 is the way to go
- Michael Mooney
bill hit the time link to the left instead
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The one that was interesting was default.aspx that I saw
- Bill Grant
@Ken and @Greg -- thanks guys! That was not obvious (to me at least)
- Bill Grant
omg the dot is ignored. I feel silly now. i actually spent a few minutes and considered whether to put the dot in my name or not.
- Jim Stanger
there is a tie in Wil, its called FriendFeed
- Gabe
This must the best/funniest Facebook name grab: http://pauliukas.com/randomf...
- Paulius G
jim and bill... this techy stuff is just unnatural!
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I got nothing at Facebook. I have no desire to get a Facebook account
- Greg
Y'all are assuming people want totally overlapping professional and personal social graphs. That's certainly not the case.
- Ken Sheppardson
At one point when FF was going through its beta upgrade they had a link to thread button, don't know why they removed it
- Greg Byrne
Or... in six months we will have forgotten about Face Book when the next great thing comes out
- Paul Blasman
myspace is the new AOL
- Gabe
Jim, I had the same issue when i found my name. It is not clear.
- Judith Gerdin
The name grab was insane. It's a fraking _walled_community_!!
- Gold
It WAS a walled community
- Stephen Pickering
It also has the same stigma as AOL too.
- Gold
Oh wow - he just advocated to hand over the entire social web to Facebook - genius :S
- Chris Saad
@Ken Cadby Hah!... Well I guess I can program a computer but that doesn't mean I know how to use one... ;-)
- Bill Grant
I sorta think the only services really threatened by Facebook are MySpace (direct competitor) and Classmates.
- Ken Sheppardson
i'm surprised classmates is still around
- Chris Heath
Broadband killed AOL. It was more of a connectivity platform rather than a social platform
- Stephen Pickering
Chris - yeah me too
- Paul Blasman
Facebook is not using OAuth or OpenID (OpenID is promsied)
- Chris Saad
Stephen: _Was_ a walled garden? How is it not now? I still get links where I need to log in to see things. Can't think of a time it's not been this way.
- Gold
@bill grant are you a fan of caffeine?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Yes, you are right. I grant you that
- Stephen Pickering
Chris: Well, considering we've ranged from the Iran elections to video games to social networking, I think we maybe just have to nod and take this all with a grain of salt. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - the competition is not even close. MySpace is the like AOL, Facebook is like Google.
- Ryan Scullen
Gold - I agree that is why I've stayed away from FB.
- Paul Blasman
Classmates must make money from organizing reunions. Who would pay to contactsomeone you do not remember.
- Judith Gerdin
Ryan: Fine. I'll concede the point. The only people who should fear Facebook is Classmates :-D
- Ken Sheppardson
Caffeine. Mmmmmmmm
- Randy Willard
And Leo just explained why Facebook will never "take over"
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul Blasman: I've stayed away due to the T&C. I have no problem with the walled garden but the T&C are draconian.
- Gold
Ken - lol I never liked the idea of classmates from the beginning - too much spam linking
- Ryan Scullen
Gold - I didn't even want to go there!
- Paul Blasman
Leo - you should be checking out your daughter account
- Paul Blasman
3 million usernames have been claimed since Friday night ... in the first 14 hours, that is
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul Blasman - Heh. :) I've had one friend from Auckland, NZ appear on those damned "This guys I.Q. is x. What's yours?" ads. He followed it up and they said they purchased it from Facebook.
- Gold
facebook landgrab was soooo over hyped. Just another excuse for bloggers to have something to write about and for people to have another thing added to their business cards
- Ross Johnson
Whether you have a vanity URL makes no difference, facebook has a search function: http://www.facebook.com/abbylap...
- Greg Byrne
Omg that's funny
- Paul Blasman
Heard from a colleague: kids are going to twitter with private profiles to keep the older people out.
- Bill Grant
@Greg That works if you have a relatively unique name or as long as you post a picture...
- Bill Grant
Fastest Growing Demographic on Facebook - Women over 55 (2/2/2009) http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
lotta college kids on facebook. facebook can't die. it can be bought tho.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
66% are 18-34
- Ken Sheppardson
78% are under 34
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, do the math.
- Judith Gerdin
only 8% are older than 45
- Ken Sheppardson
Which math, Judith?
- Ken Sheppardson
Once it becomes main stream, the geeks and the college kids will come up with something else
- Paul Blasman
...you mean the fact that the F>55 segment is growing fastest because it was almost nonexistent before? ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
sigh
- Greg
Ken: between 18-34 and under 34 you're at 144%
- Gold
Gold: under 34 includes 18-34
- Ken Sheppardson
as you might expect
- Ken Sheppardson
Dont forget the total number of accounts vs the total number of active posting accounts is not the same.. just like twitter
- Greg
Ken: and I look like a bloody idiot. ;)
- Gold
Leo you already have LeoLaporte
- rob friedman
erm /LeoLaporte
- rob friedman
That's his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
ya, well, once a URL is used you can never reclaim it unless it's trademark. so his fan page is him. :)
- rob friedman
That'll teach me for only reading half the discussion. I should get back to work. :/
- Gold
All fan pages with a thousand fans or more got automatically assigned a while back
- Stephen Pickering
Gold: No, I should've thought that out more before I posted... the way I wrote it was inviting that sort of interpretation... :-/.
- Ken Sheppardson
Died in the US, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
Still alive and kicking everywhere else?
- Ken Sheppardson
Can't wait for flash on the Pre so I can watch Leo on the go.
- jcunwired
ken - yea us only, canada is still kickin analogue till aug. 2011
- Ryan Scullen
Excuse me while I burry my 9-inch black & white in the back yard lol
- Paul Blasman
very scandalous
- rob friedman
I'm still going to keep my 9" black and white for my Apple ][+ monitor
- Ken Sheppardson
I feel bad for the senior citizens but for anyone under the age of 65, if you didn't follow the hundreds of mentions of this conversion to digital, you might not deserve digital tv.
- Bill Grant
Did you PAY for that phone?
- Ken Sheppardson
lol ken
- Chris Heath
Ken - mine is the TV I used for my Timex Sinclair ZX80
- Paul Blasman
Right... because that's the case, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
If you have cable, you don't need to change anything.
- Ken Sheppardson
I missed something.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll have to re-scan my Road Runner cable to see if the analog is still there
- Paul Blasman
Yup... Comcast is flip-flopping http://www.mercurynews.com/technot...
- Ken Sheppardson
I have Comcast and try using them with a cable card, they are hopeless.
- Kim Landwehr
If not for wanting live sports, I'd just go to Hulu and streaming exclusively.
- Ken Sheppardson
No, Leo is giving them away under a new promo called PreCrunch :)
- jcunwired
cable is coax. can be ran straight to TV, or a cable box. straight to TV still broadcasts in analogue over coax. so comcast is illegally shutting off analogue over coax, cause if they can get 60% or more subscribers (i think, might be 80%) onto cable boxes, they can force everyone to switch.
- Ryan Scullen
sorry my bad, those are rules for canada... not US... rules are probably different.
- Ryan Scullen
What happened to this FCC ruling - "FCC Takes Action To Prevent Cable Companies From Dropping Digital Broadcast Networks From Analog Cable" - http://consumerist.com/299517...
- Ken Sheppardson
Cool. People are starting up their proxies to help out the people in Iran. For example: http://twitter.com/HansPet... Awesome!
- Holger Eilhard
Sony Bravia is high end expensive
- rob friedman
"DVR" will just turn into a local cache
- rob friedman
Bandwidth caps are the cable industry's attempt to preserve their business model. As DSL and the long-hoped-for wireless broadband get bigger, they run the risk of losing customers to competitors who don't do that limit.
- JR Holmes
Well, Wil just got a ~100 follower bump.
- Ken Sheppardson
gonna try and be Wil's 14,000th. In 3...2...1...
- Jim Stanger
Bingo. 14K
- Ken Sheppardson
Got it!
- Jim Stanger
oh...wait
- Jim Stanger
just added wil
- Paul Blasman
:)
- Jim Stanger
No talk about EU/IE8 when there's an EU guest?
- John Frazer
What BART station is that John uses for his background on Twitter?
- Ken Sheppardson
What is John talking about, he is almost at 55,000 followers. Didn't he just ask to get up to 50,000?
- Bill Grant
Oh look at her eye's, she's soo blasted
- Paul Blasman
wow shes um yeah
- Alfredo
that was cool
- rob friedman
Benadryl
- Ken Sheppardson
oof nice gaf
- rob friedman
Man, Letterman and Leo... pickin' on the 14 year olds this week... ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
hahahaha
- Alfredo
lol ken!
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
http://www.youtube.com/watch... canadian switch ad
- Chris Heath
the english foreign guy needs to get on mic better :)
- rob friedman
awesome falsetto
- rob friedman
that url should go here if anyone has it?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Rob Friedman: did you just say English and Foreign in the same sentence. LOFL
- Bob Blunk
yea, :) well I didnt' want to say that any of his Guests were, except the guy who is, and off mic. :)
- rob friedman
Sorry, posted wrong link first. Second one is correct.
- Daniel Rowley
hey hey heyyyyy watching the rerun lol
- Q B
Got to have the Mashable team on more often. ;)
- Ben Parr
You should have talked about my video coverage from Computex http://techvideoblog.com/categor... , the ARM laptops cost only 100 dollars and will replace Apple, Microsoft and Intel
- Charbax
What five tools do you use to build 2010 websites (or would you recommend to businesses)? Answer here:
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Google Wave
- Sid Burgess
1. W3C Web Standards Compliant Code -- 2. Social Networking APIs / Social Media Integration (i.e. Twitter / FriendFeed / Facebook / etc) -- 3. Git / GitHub for Version Control -- 4. Open Source CMS Solutions (i.e. WordPress / Drupal / etc) -- 5. Open and Accessible Analytics systems (i.e. Google Analytics, Mint, or similar)
- Michael Owens
err, often its not the tool but how you use the tool... I'm looking at you Flash!
- Matt Searles
It would depend on each individual business
- Patricia
WordPress, Analytics, Mint (haveamint.com), Facebook Connect, BLIP.TV OR Vimeo
- Adam Jackson
Wordpress, Thesis Theme, Disqus Plugin, Friendfeed, Feedmingle...
- Arne Krueger
WordPress & Thesis theme, Twitter, FriendFeed, Disqus, some OpenId provider(s)
- Jeroen De Miranda
A knife. It's the most versatile tool there is. Allows you to cut right through the BS and cut chunks off of spit roasted meat.
- Todd Hoff
I like Todd's answer.
- Happy
Web 3.0 & cloud computing + my Leatherman multi-tool :D :D
- Ronald
Again, it does depend on the customer's needs, but I think #1 Michael Owens gave a pretty accurate answer.
- Happy
i like michael owens answer - this is it!
- Arne Krueger
Wordpress, Apture, Zemanta, FriendFeed, Woopra
- Eric Logan
Depending on the business' needs, the best recommendation is to go with a platform that gives you all the features you need and none of those that will simply distract from your strategy. Suggest folks check out social collaboration via Groupsites @ www.collectivex.com.
- Carissa Caramanis O'Brien
Add some visual computing to the mix for more engaging content like real-time avatars and animation with CrazyTalk: http://www.reallusion.com/crazyta...
- John Martin
I just got some PR email about Rackspace Cloud. Could that be it? :-)
- Todd Hoff
I would go with Wave
- Julian Hoffbauer
Maybe we should wait until 2010 to find out, and while we're waiting, build 2009 web sites.
- Andy Bakun
I use wordpress on a purchased/ hosted domain, friendfeed, google friend connect, disqus. That's just my simple blog example, unfortunately the template could use some sprucing up. I'd like all the functionality, but to look less Scoble clonish
- Mark Essel
It's still in private release, but Notable (www.notableapp.com) is becoming a real life saver for giving feedback on web sites/applications.
- hunter
Specific tools should be dependent on the tech team (e.g., size, existing skills). More important are the business's attitude to engage and delight their stakeholders.
- Bill L
Idk, I don't think its about the tools, I think its about what you want to do with your site, and then what tools you use depends on that and like.. your skill sets, and all that good stuff.. for my personal sorta business e I'm looking at C4D, After Effects, Photoshop, Flash, and final cut studio.. seems like a code editor probably goes without saying?
- Matt Searles
Depends on the business. Depends on their customers. It's all relative.
- Andy McIlwain
Drupal 7, textmate, cssedit, mamp and git
- Michael Harp
Andy: it's not... it's about a different, new way to communicate/work/live - for all the businesses! for me, it feels like we are in the middle of a revolution!
- Arne Krueger
I never felt like this before! i was running my own software company with 30 people in 2000 and was just wondering!) i have now the same feeling, like i had maybe ;-) starting doing business with computers in 1988 at the cowfarm of my father in east germany!
- Arne Krueger
Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP & Wordpress - am I answering the question correctly Robert? or is this type of setup assumed?
- Chris Heath
Robert: can't make your event tonight - Son's 8th grade graduation.. have a great event
- John Furrier
the <marquee> tag
- Jeremy Toeman
YouTube... have you seen how this agency used YouTUbe to build their site? Very Creative. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chip McComb
Wordpress, Flip Mino, Vimeo, Friendfeed, RSS (it's not dead)
- Chris Pugh
1. Google Analytics/Woopra. 2. Google's Social Gadgets (or Wave integration when it's out). 3. Version control (my choice is Git w/github) 4. Pushing the browser envelope, use HTML 5 & CSS 3 whenever possible, use standards compliant code. Do cool stuff that sets you apart. 5. Open up your data (if applicable) with some kind of data feeds or apis.
- Brandon Titus
Definitely XML libraries to read/write feeds and APIs
- Raj Advani
I do both: ASP.NET with Expression and some Flash, but we also use PHP, Drupal, Wordpress, mySql, and even some Coldfusion (yuck!)
- Ric Johnson
Of course depends on the customers of the individual business. What industry are we talking about? Are their customers even on the net? I can name more businesses than not, where if I start talking about a new flashy web-site I will get thrown out of the office asap.
- Peter Efland
For #web2010 1. Social Identity (Connect) 2. PaaS design (Cloud) 3. Activity Streams (Realtime) 4. Git 5. Open Analytics
- Alberto Saavedra
I'm planning to use Windows Azure, ASP.NET MVC, Silverlight, and Visual Studio 2010.
- Jeff Weber
Pen, Paper, Photoshop, Text Editor, and a browser.
- Andrew Smith
business rules, pen, paper, brain, computer
- pk
Drupal, Wordpress, Twitter, Blip.tv, RSS
- Chris Wills
I use Wordpress, Friend Feed, Disqus, YouTube, and Google Friend Connect on the web pages and then to supplement the pages and features - I use FaceBook, Twitter, Linked-In, Digg, and Delicious. The first 5 are key to connecting the web page/blog socially; the supplements are to enhance those features.
- Robert Freeze
If your budget doesn't include an accomplished developer (send more work to those guys!), to get started effectively on the cheap: Squarespace, Twitter, Friendfeed, the Google suite (analytics, apps for your domain, connect, adwords, et al.), and probably Facebook (which seems to be working a lot better for business).
- Brian Hill
If you have a developer, or are a developer, what David Cann has done with almost.at using the cappuccino framework looks very interesting...
- Brian Hill
The mention of cappuccino reminded me: GWT (google web toolkit) for building scalable AJAX applications without cross-browser worries
- Raj Advani
I use everything Eric Logan listed plus seesmic desktop to see your brands progress in realtime. Throw in disqus plus any smart phone to provide instant feedback to comments, questions/concerns
- Anthony Farrior
Whatever tools a small company would use, it should be funded in this economy leveraging Kiva.org
- Eran Even-Kesef
A great tool everyone has is the ability to tell a story. I would suggest that rather than build just a marketing site, or online community, or social network, that you take the tool of storytelling and use it to build a 2010 website.
- Brendan Cosgrove
In no particular order: CMS: drupal (for industrial strength) or joomla (for ease of use)... sorry, but wordpress is brain-dead... round it out with some groovy core technologies: Wave/XMPP, RSS/Atom, and Ajax.
- Fred Davis
Same as Jeff Weber looking at a .NET blogging platform instead of WordPress - been using GraffitiCMS.
- Kevin Tunis
WP self-hosted, DIY Thesis Theme, FriendFeed (widget and embedded for real-time convo), Disqus w/ Facebook Connect and twitter connect, - my new blog has some of these elements now http://susanbeebe.com (so is yours Robert!) :)
- Susan Beebe
I honestly don't care what the tools are, but whatever you build, make sure you have a mobile version of it and I don't mean iPhone only. Build the site and ensure it works well on the main 4 mobile browsers iPhone, android, S60, Palm and maybe Win mobile.
- Keith Bennett
Adobe Dreamweaver, The Drupal Dream Theme Utility Suite Dreamweaver Extension, MyXoopsExtensions, Adobe Photoshop, and Flash
- Chelsea Belle Goodell
Lots of good tech suggestions. I'll add HTML Canvas. But the key to success is understanding the value you are adding for your customers. Of course social networks are the latest example of this, but remind yourself again and again WHY you are here - to understand what value you add now, and how you can improve that over time. You need to find tools and design patterns that allow you to collect as much feedback, as quickly and easily as possible.
- David Sky
less is more
- Tyler Gillies
from email
WordPress, Thesis Theme, Twitter, Youtube, Google FriendConnect
- Marko Saric
Second Life, Metaplace, Typepad, Twitter
- Prokofy Neva
Video!!!
- Morgan
Only one mention of Silverlight. Too much bing-bing?
- Nick Wade
I like Alberto Saavedra's answer. It's about the building block elements rather than the branded tool. He nailed it.
- Neill Adamson
Imagination and then what ever tool gets the job done. Drupal and Wordpress allow businesses to get online quickly without the need for technical knowledge.
- Darren Rollett
Darren - that may be a little exaggeration regarding Drupal's ease.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Agree w/ Michael Owens list.
- Jason Cronkhite
Google wave
- Amir
LPH - Agreed. Joomla is probably better for the none technical and a little easier to use. Although as Building43 shows you can acheive most things in Wordpress.
- Darren Rollett
http://www.vooices.us for using your mobile phone to seamlessly talk to to a webpage.
- Paul Kinlan
I am surprised nobody mentioned SMF (I have seen some amazing things done with it)
- April Russo (app103)
I would also bet on Google Wave.
- Martin Seibert
Building43 Launch Party http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Congratulations Robert and team...
- Amit Nangare
Congrats!!!!!!
- glfceo
Congrats!
- Soso Sazesh
Congratulations Rocky & Robert, have a great party!
- Travis Koger
Congrats to everyone involved! Can't wait to see how this turns out.
- Chris Pugh
Congrats !!! Can't believe I'm still awake. LOL. It's 2:30 am, and now I hear the site will go live in about half an hour.
- Nir Ben Yona
Congrats Robert!
- Michael Fidler
wow, tuning in on the party. Congratulations & Cheers!
- Jacob
No audio?
- Byron McCollum
They are on a break now.
- Nir Ben Yona
back
- Byron McCollum
I'm excited to see how this goes. Congrats Robert and the Building43 crew!
- Obayoo
Hmm -- I assumed the launch party would indicate a launch = website unveiling? It seems not.
- Brian Sullivan
Greetings from preschool graduation, wish I could join you! Have fun :).
- Denise Howell
I guess I just went there too early -- I see the website is now live.
- Brian Sullivan
We are official! T-shirts and stickers and Techcrunch party tomorrow! Picture and more: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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That is Rob LaGesse showing off our new shirts -- in Silicon Valley you don't actually need to ship anything as long as you have a cool T- shirt. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice! Want!
- Jesse Stay
Great shirt!
- Gregg Morris
I'd really love to be there with you!
- Gabriele Cazzulini
Jesse: the stickers are even cooler. Metallic.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, awesome, I'll take one of each please. ;-)
- Jesse Stay
What is this all about?
- Rutger Blom
definitely want one of them shirts! nice!
- erik yuzwa
I want, I want
- andy brudtkuhl
Hook it up brotha
- Ryan Erickson
can't attend, would love to get some stickers though. Is there going to be a place to order some?
- Chris Pugh
Rutger: we launch tomorrow. Building43 is a community for people fanatical about the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: we still have to figure that out. Stay tuned.
- Robert Scoble
Looking forward to the launch. Any word on whether or not the shirts will be available to order?
- Matt Wolpin
Matt: we are working on that. Stay tuned.
- Robert Scoble
way 2 cool! want autographed t-shirt, please!
- glfceo
Good luck with the launch!
- Kawika Holbrook
Can't wait to see what you guys have built. Been looking forward to this since the announcement.
- Chris Pugh
Want some schwag! I hope you guys can figure out a way to get them out to people across the country (and world)!
- Brandon Titus
Tomorrow is the big day, can't wait...
- Eran Even-Kesef
so how much cooler does one get for putting a building 43 sticker on their laptop
- Eran Even-Kesef
I would <3 some stickers and a t-shirt!
- Ric Johnson
Quick Question for FriendFeeders! When I signed up FriendFeed allowed me to auto subscribe to all the Twitter Accounts I was following. Is there a way for me to run that function again?
- Jason Pollock
Jason: sure thing. Click "Browse/edit friends" in the "Friends" sidebar. Then click "Find/Invite Friends" on the next screen, and you should see the Twitter option. ** Edit ** Or, just go here: http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Nick Wade
nick: thanks dude
- Jason Pollock
Getting excited! Good luck with the launch!
- Account Name
Rackspace had a great presence at SXSW 2009. A few pics on Flickr at http://bit.ly/18TCB7 They gave out nice Tee's and even socks too.
- JimmyJet
Where is the TechCrunch Party?
- Cheri
Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...
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how did he die ?
- John Hillestad
legal herion ?
- John Hillestad
I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx
- David Lloyd
Oh, just found this chat... thanks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow
- Karoli
kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks
- Karoli
my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army
- Andrew Johnson
HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK
- daveccorey
wow
- David Lloyd
wow...
- Chris Heath
I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo.
- Mike Lewis
Holy Crap!
- Bill Heslin
this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ]
- Chris Heath
no drama leo
- Chris Heath
by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased
- David Lloyd
Techcrunch SUCKS!
- Jason Hansen
wow!
- John Hillestad
I'm so happy!
- Jason Hansen
wow - just wow
- Devin Baines
shortest gillmor gang ever
- Karoli
lol that was classic
- Chris Saad
Wow, social media drama!
- imabonehead
Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first.
- Dave
/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap
- Omar Egan
Leo blew his top!
- John Hillestad
It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky!
- Jason Hansen
man i only just caught the end - what happened?
- h1ro
I missed it too
- Simon Wicks
about time
- Jim Posner
OMG
- Steven (optionshiftk)
arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre
- Karoli
Props Leo
- Nick Rae
Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON
- David Lloyd
Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it.
- Jason Hansen
Leo for President
- Matthew
what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront
- h1ro
wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time.
- Mike Lewis
Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased
- David Lloyd
wow
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Way to go Leo!!
- Andre Vautour
wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo
- Andrew Johnson
Arrington's an asshole
- Devin Baines
What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo
- David Schmidt
@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction
- Chris Saad
relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here
- decjr
Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech
- Matthew
Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling.
- Leo Laporte
michael arrington Leo always discloses that info
- Andrew Johnson
got funky hold music on calliflower
- Kevin Marks
Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful!
- Mike Lewis
You have nothing to apologize for Leo
- Matthew
Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right
- David Lloyd
You did the right thing Leo!
- Omar Egan
as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional....
- John Hillestad
@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure
- h1ro
No need to apologize Leo.
- Bill Heslin
Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect
- Harvey Birdman
nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL
- Karoli
No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries
- Erle Stride
Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow.
- Colin
did i miss something?
- Kevin Marks
I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk.
- Jason Hansen
yes Kevin
- Matthew
the audio should go viral soon
- Jim Posner
Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion.
- Karoli
Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious?
- Jason Hansen
Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time.
- Omar Egan
well, that was interesting.
- Chris Pugh
Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho
- Devin Baines
you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life
- David Lloyd
Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'.
- Karoli
You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one.
- Mike
Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way.
- Colin
@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction
- Chris Saad
thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off....
- John Hillestad
michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding
- Chris Heath
apologies if i overeacted xxx
- David Lloyd
Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off.
- Aron Michalski
It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing.
- Omar Egan
Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest.
- Kim Landwehr
I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host
- h1ro
yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish?
- Matthew
kim they were talking about how it was a review model...
- Chris Heath
Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff?
- Aron Michalski
Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish.
- Jason Hansen
@jason who said that?
- h1ro
I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities.
- Joel Asaro
Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased.
- Paulius G
Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute.
- zephyrlily
If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue
- Harvey Birdman
Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show.
- Karoli
cliff - please call me if you can
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values!
- h1ro
I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo!
- John Blanton
tina - which #? d msg me.
- Cliff Gerrish
Waiting for the TC post :)
- Chris Saad
im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong
- David Lloyd
Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays)
- Chris Heath
Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges.
- Thusenth
I'll miss Mike Arrington =(
- Colin
just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile.
- Karoli
Karoli - i was shocked too!
- Chris Heath
yes, it was brewing for months
- David Lloyd
Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo
- Chris Pugh
Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man.
- Kim Landwehr
Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long?
- Jason Hansen
What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT?
- Aron Michalski
Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube?
- Mike Hellers
I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways.
- Omar Egan
years no doubt :p
- David Lloyd
I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted.
- Jason Hansen
I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho
- David Lloyd
Go Leo! :-)
- Moobie
Is Tina Gillmor still in here?
- Jason Hansen
Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL
- Karoli
Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly.
- invariant - farewell FF
hello
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door.
- Jim Posner
very true, invariant
- Eric Florenzano
good point invariant
- Chris Heath
hey Tina - sorry this happened
- Hilary Talbot
Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :)
- Mike Lewis
Did the show start at the top of the hour?
- zephyrlily
Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Steven (optionshiftk)
The Mike: Arrington will never change.
- Jason Hansen
Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo.
- Colin
I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too.
- Karoli
love you tina, you are a top chick xxx
- David Lloyd
I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Mike Bracco
Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore.
- Mike Lewis
Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week...
- Karoli
thanks @Mike Bracco
- detorn
I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang!
- Wo
RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- David Lloyd
Karoli - let's get together when you do
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction.
- invariant - farewell FF
In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home."
- Paul E. Ester
I'm very shocked... for the record
- Tina Chase Gillmor
crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show
- Will Fifer
What happened? - J. Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week.
- Wo
Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff.
- Colin
yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move
- h1ro
Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh
- Chris Saad
re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist
- David Lloyd
If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it
- Chris Saad
it was not staged, the anger was real
- David Lloyd
Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that.
- Wo
I thought Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;)
- Colin
I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker
- Chris Pugh
So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week?
- Dave
I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT.
- Wo
GG is not dead, it will be back
- David Lloyd
just not on twit
- David Lloyd
realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident.
- russtbarnacle
@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move
- h1ro
well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off
- russellcoleman
Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired.
- Robert Scoble
yes russelcoleman haha
- David Lloyd
got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle
- detorn
Leo took his ball and is going home.
- Wo
arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before
- Moose
you missed a classic Scoble
- David Lloyd
lol
- detorn
it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo
- David Lloyd
Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here!
- Paulius G
@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Chris Saad
@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay
- h1ro
This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned.
- David Peralta
russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL
- Karoli
Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it
- zephyrlily
Dan is censoring the irc chat room...
- John Hillestad
I was looking forward to the Pre discussion.
- Wo
Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday.
- Troy McConaghy
Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time
- David Lloyd
I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo
- Chris
NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE
- Daryl Brown
think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded
- David Lloyd
was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home
- Moose
Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- John Hillestad
Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit
- Tina Chase Gillmor
HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on!
- invariant - farewell FF
Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3?
- Karoli
Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington.
- Wo
I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change.
- Aron Michalski
Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it.
- Chris
not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx
- David Lloyd
"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times
- jccalhoun
they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good
- Mike
Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened?
- tollie williams
Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Dan is a tool
- David Lloyd
Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun.
- Karoli
its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan....
- John Hillestad
There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool.
- Colin
There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy
- Moose
I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry
- Mike
you can't censor something if you aren't the government
- jccalhoun
FF just gained a lot of points.
- Colin
I am behind you leo
- Theodore Grabow
Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Leo's rant > Christian Bale's
- Chris
twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last
- jccalhoun
if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire
- Mike
jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL
- Karoli
yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words
- David Lloyd
Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here.
- Colin
Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say...
- Amyloo
Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now.
- Bwana ☠
there is/was an adult irc channel
- Moose
And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate.
- Colin
mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there.
- jccalhoun
hey Amy
- Hilary Talbot
Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show
- Stephen Pickering
facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods
- David Lloyd
Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun
- Bwana ☠
hey hil, did you catch that?
- Amyloo
My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime.
- Robert Hafer
yes, it was all over in minutes...
- Hilary Talbot
Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time ....
- Michael Holzinger
yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed!
- David Lloyd
Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo
- John Hillestad
I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away.
- Paul E. Ester
Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does).
- tollie williams
i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods...
- jccalhoun
Dan runs a tight ship
- russellcoleman
When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly.
- Colin
Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege
- Bwana ☠
I would assume Leo will delete this conversation
- Steven (optionshiftk)
oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right.
- Karoli
Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something.
- Robert Scoble
the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak!
- zefyr
If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it.
- Holger Eilhard
Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs
- Stephen Pickering
I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?"
- Thusenth
Robert - you certainly did
- Devin Baines
OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week.
- Wo
Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open.
- Colin
cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed '
- John Hillestad
LOL @ Scobles understatement
- Moose
"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence*
- zephyrlily
google indexes this stuff fast anyway
- Karoli
Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements
- Tina Chase Gillmor
resume as in today.. somewhere else?
- Moose
good old steve, another one of the good guys
- David Lloyd
today Tina?
- Wo
thanks for the update @tina
- h1ro
any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"...
- Aron Michalski
Will Steve try and stream it over ustream?
- Steven (optionshiftk)
not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v...
- invariant - farewell FF
@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it.
- 321
TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though.
- Jason Hansen
Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Karoli
I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he...
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- Leo Laporte
Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening...
- Aron Michalski
This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again.
- David Ford
And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...?
- Holger Eilhard
good statement Leo
- David Lloyd
I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo!
- Patrick Hall
Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes?
- Michael Kaiser
Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit.
- Simon Tracey
WTG Leo
- Moose
he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :(
- David Lloyd
Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing.
- Jason Hansen
Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate
- David Lloyd
It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT
- Bwana ☠
Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April.
- Thusenth
@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT.
- David Ford
You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible.
- Colin
Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC
- David Lloyd
doesnt mention leo tho
- David Lloyd
lmao Bwana
- Moose
@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea
- h1ro
What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT
- Karoli
I would never kick you off Bwana!
- Leo Laporte
Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington.
- Jason Hansen
GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun.
- Libertine
Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty.
- Leo Laporte
Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area.
- Mike
Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive...
- Aron Michalski
Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything.
- Chuck
Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol
- Erle Stride
Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out.
- Adam Windisch
Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show.
- Jerry Schuman
wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys
- BryanSchuetz
MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it
- David Lloyd
I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread.
- Mike Saraf
Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote.
- Karoli
I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example).
- Patrick Sullivan
@mark link for arringtons post on tc?
- h1ro
Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat.
- Bwana ☠
Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled.
- Chris Pugh
I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best
- Moose
Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident.
- Colin
@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though.
- 321
Bwana Who's Erie?
- Erle Stride
I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes.
- Dan Hendricks
it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached
- David Lloyd
Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke
- Tina Chase Gillmor
With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan.
- Karoli
Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine!
- russtbarnacle
Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses
- Bwana ☠
i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds
- David Lloyd
:)
- Bwana ☠
Leo is going on techmeme?
- David Lloyd
I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal
- zefyr
Bwana I know just breaking balls
- Erle Stride
I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship.
- tollie williams
I deserved it :)
- Bwana ☠
irc has a gossip filter?
- Moose
Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'.
- Karoli
Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang.
- Paul E. Ester
So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it
- BryanSchuetz
IRC is back for anyone interested
- Mike
Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through.
- Bwana ☠
Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week?
- Dave
So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW
- Erle Stride
FF > IRC
- David Lloyd
Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P
- Mike Lewis
until they add custom formatting here? Lo
- David Lloyd
Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo.
- John Brazel
you got that one right Professor.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible.
- Zee.
Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)"
- David Lloyd
Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional.
- Paulius G
Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT.
- Nir Ben Yona
If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real
- Chris Pugh
well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance
- David Lloyd
Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through!
- Robert Scoble
Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family...
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- Leo Laporte
Well said Leo!
- Harvey Birdman
I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet
- David Lloyd
Leo has 30 year history of integrity
- David Lloyd
@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise
- Chris Saad
Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too.
- Robert Scoble
He was just getting the disclosures out of the way
- Chris Saad
Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish.
- Karoli
Leo you are beyond reproach.
- BryanSchuetz
right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion
- h1ro
Chris, there was more than that to it
- Karoli
We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result
- Devin Baines
Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit.
- Leo Laporte
Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington.
- David Ford
What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?"
- Colin
No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way
- Chris Saad
You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike
- David Peralta
re colin, flame baiting?
- David Lloyd
Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed
- TunisianGuy
It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab.
- Karoli
We love you Leo! Hang in there!
- Head Ov Metal
can you call tina please Leo xx
- David Lloyd
@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content
- h1ro
Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear
- Bwana ☠
@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't"
- Chris Saad
I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment?
- Colin
Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second!
- Jack
Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG.
- Michael Ritter
Leo got Pwned lol.
- Matt Ruiz
friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr.
- Karoli
RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo
- Harvey Birdman
Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week.
- Professor Messer
Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you.
- Lise
We love you Leo!
- Moobie
that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win
- BryanSchuetz
Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose.
- Robert Scoble
Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died.
- Karoli
@Robert choose life :)
- Chris Saad
Well said, Robert.
- David Ford
Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org?
- David Lloyd
Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later
- Moose
Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time.
- Robert Scoble
@Mark yes I do
- Chris Saad
:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says...
- Thomas McGivern
Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions.
- Karoli
@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :)
- Chris Saad
Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics ....
- Jason Beck
Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A)
- earl wallace
Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :(
- Jimminy
@Robert lol true I guess
- Chris Saad
Agreed, this is life.
- Colin
@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation!
- Adnan
Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr
- David Lloyd
Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways.
- Aron Michalski
In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware!
- Mike Lewis
Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though.
- Robert Scoble
Its not late to bring some peace back
- Johni Fisher
You don't bully leo though scoble
- Jack
...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture.
- Karoli
I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world.....
- Stanley Suan
Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :)
- Chris Saad
Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too.
- Robert Scoble
You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes
- David Lloyd
It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr
- James
"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book
- jccalhoun
Karoli lol
- russtbarnacle
Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation..
- Kim Landwehr
was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri?
- Steve Ford
Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte!
- John Brazel
Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :)
- Chris Saad
Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us
- Tina Chase Gillmor
whats arringtons take on all this?
- Dano Hart
he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog
- David Lloyd
Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings?
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
I like cheese.
- Benjamin Grelle
Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything?
- Harvey Birdman
@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before.
- Hilary Talbot
I like John Cheese
- David Lloyd
Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm
- TunisianGuy
that was @karoli, sorry
- Hilary Talbot
Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry
- Stephen Pickering
Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk
- Moobie
@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley
- Chris Saad
Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too.
- Robert Scoble
There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly.
- Leo Laporte
Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is...
- Aron Michalski
I agree with Harvey, no one cares
- David Peralta
@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo.
- Harvey Birdman
Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike...
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- Grady Joslin
has gillmore commented
- Steve Ford
I think most of us would agree leo
- Jack
@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir.
- David Ford
I agree with you Leo
- Theodore Grabow
Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Agreed Leo
- Moobie
@Frank TGG won't be airing today.. based on earlier responses on the thread.
- Divya Mistry
Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes!
- Stephen Pickering
Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network
- russellcoleman
Waffles are also delicious.
- Benjamin Grelle
Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh
- Robert Scoble
i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- jccalhoun
RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- David Lloyd
Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments
- David Lloyd
He respects Leo I think
- David Lloyd
Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting.
- Nir Ben Yona
@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious
- Dano Hart
anyway to get the latest post at the top?
- detorn
obama is too busy going on ' date night '
- John Hillestad
Good post from Mike.
- invariant - farewell FF
Good post form Mike. with an apology
- David Lloyd
Mike apologizes to Leo
- David Peralta
if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology
- David Lloyd
Respect exists.
- David Lloyd
Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo
- Austin Garrod
yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms
- David Lloyd
Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away.
- Karoli
if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing?
- jccalhoun
well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think?
- David Lloyd
Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry.
- Kim Landwehr
In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here
- Bwana ☠
the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it...
- detorn
finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff
- Christopher Harris
whats that tech site which has the gutter news?
- David Lloyd
I now have a headache
- Bwana ☠
he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- John Hillestad
James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be
- David Lloyd
To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think.
- Simon Tracey
Weakest. Apology. Ever.
- Eric Florenzano
The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Chris
Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider.
- Leo Laporte
Leo-don't, he's not worth it.
- Harvey Birdman
"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is
- detorn
Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception
- Kyle
@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe
- Dano Hart
Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running...
- John Hillestad
Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up.
- Lise
I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give.
- Kim Landwehr
Make peace not war Leo.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you.
- David Lloyd
Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host.
- Dave
Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution?
- Jason Beck
You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future
- Johni Fisher
Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;)
- David Ford
Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future.
- Robert Kenney
The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology"
- Dan Hendricks
Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided.
- Adam Turetzky
Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe?
- Randy Green
Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre
- Bwana ☠
Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo.
- Michael Kaiser
In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity.
- Benjamin Grelle
I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo.
- John Brazel
It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone.
- Chris
It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it.
- Moobie
No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness.
- Libertine
Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves.
- Richard Coppen
he should dump Gilmore and his gang. what a bunch of yo yos.
- John Merrill
I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap.
- Grady Joslin
just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it
- Austin Garrod
Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work.
- Robert Lee
Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs.
- Steve
keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good
- Christopher Harris
I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is.
- detorn
Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to...
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- Robert Scoble
What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour?
- Kyle
I left that comment over on TechCrunch.
- Robert Scoble
You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them?
- Karoli
I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time.
- Heiti Kruusmaa
Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show
- Amyloo
wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit?
- Austin Garrod
Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre.
- Steve Ford
I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now?
- Randy Green
Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network.
- Craig Durling
Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff...
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- Robert Scoble
I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali...
- David Schmidt
Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately.
- Karoli
in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C
- Andrew Johnson
Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else.
- Rob Blatt
Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings!
- Chris
I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content.
- Wo
@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about
- BryanSchuetz
Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn'
- kenneth glenn
The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology!
- Colin
Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT.
- Joel Asaro
Colin: we are passionate, aren't we?
- Robert Scoble
@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz
- David Schmidt
Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
- Colin
Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it?
- Robert Scoble
@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic?
- BryanSchuetz
it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think.
- Karoli
If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board.
- Chris Pugh
I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding.
- Colin
I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum.
- Wo
Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me.
- Robert Scoble
Wo - and that's a first? :)
- Bwana ☠
@Chris P - what would that solve?
- Lise
so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted?
- Steve Ford
You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to.
- Colin
Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days
- Andrew Johnson
Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch.
- BryanSchuetz
Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available.
- Chris Pugh
i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo
- Andrew Villafane
Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead.
- Robert Scoble
wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)...
- Heiti Kruusmaa
I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down.
- Kim Landwehr
If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else.
- Colin
We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV
- TunisianGuy
Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows?
- Karoli
Colin: the show will continue.
- Robert Scoble
leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation.
- Tobias Lewsadder
I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week.
- Aron Michalski
Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side.
- Owen Greaves
hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it
- Andrew Villafane
Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services.
- Karoli
I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace.
- Leo Laporte
Nice, move along people ;)
- David Lloyd
Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another.
- Joel Asaro
Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough.
- Robert Scoble
Nice to see that it all worked out so well.
- 321
anyone got an rss link to the Gilmor Gang? the page on techcrunch seems dead...
- Jay Martinez
Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang!
- Robert Scoble
Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin'
- Karoli
arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time
- Tobias Lewsadder
Lasse: welcome to the real time web!
- Robert Scoble
Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed.
- Libertine
Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week?
- Wo
GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment.
- Alberto Saavedra
real time web wins again
- David Lloyd
leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!!
- Tobias Lewsadder
Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics
- Darryl Adams
I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast.
- Stanley Suan
so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore???
- Andrew Villafane
Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him?
- Robert Scoble
The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones
- Chris Pugh
the real time real world isnt either Chris :p
- David Lloyd
It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are.
- Colin
Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago.
- Karoli
Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :)
- Wookie
However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo!
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal
- Stephen Pickering
Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before.
- David Jones
I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype.
- Jason Beck
Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
- Karoli
Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off?
- Stephen Pickering
Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Chris
Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed.
- Paulius G
Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip
- David Lloyd
I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here.
- Jesse Stay
Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem.
- Karoli
Arrington has and always will be an asshole. I don't read his blog and certainly won't start now. He has made some bad moves in the past, but this one might be an endgame. There is absolutely no reason to bait like that when someone is trying to provide a review. Reviews are never completely unbiased, but Leo always discloses and provides the most unbiased reviews that a sensible human can.
- Bob Blunk
Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time.
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so.
- Jesse Stay
Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself.
- Justin Flood @justinflood
As far a the show goes, if/when they have another one, I MIGHT EVEN WATCH IT NOW. This is some good advertisement over this all be it not expected. Might be good to put someone on there with more of a moderation roll though.
- Fake Elmo
Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad???
- Darren Rowley
Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue.
- Michael Ritter
I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre.
- Jason Pope
I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas.
- Darrel Davis
When you have all these strong willed experts on one show, in a timed enviroment it could cause for some "good tv" as the saying goes.
- Fake Elmo
love ya leo.
- Mark Outten
just one more thing...PLEASE don't let this be a publicity stunt!
- Bob Blunk
It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently.
- Steve Ford
I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead.
- Brian Cagle
Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity
- Art
I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's
- Jesse Stay
Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :)
- Ryan
This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now.
- Leo Laporte
YAY!
- David Lloyd
Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve
- Darryl Adams
Restarting BitGravity feed :)
- Bill Heslin
:)
- Nicholas James
Leo you're a good man
- Jesse Stay
Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :)
- Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal
Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he?
- David Lloyd
_serious_ realtime shit
- Amyloo
Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-)
- Darryl Adams
gotta love live real time.
- Steve Ford
Yes! :)
- Adnan
<3 real time xx wish my friends got it
- David Lloyd
Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha!
- Michael Kaiser
Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events.
- Jason Beck
I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee.
- Brian Cagle
Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :)
- Adnan
Ride the trike in Leo. It will give you some peaceful time.. :) Your the best
- Bill Heslin
we want david winer
- David Lloyd
Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube
- zephyrlily
why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid?
- Bwana ☠
Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya
- O W
I think the author deleted it @Bwana
- zephyrlily
Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now?
- Colin
scoble you going to be ontine for round two?
- Steve Ford
Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems.
- Allen Blair
a rerun of futures in Biotech Colin
- Bill Heslin
The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
Oh nevermind...
- Bill Heslin
Lol :/
- Colin
hehehe
- Bill Heslin
Colin: I think they're trying to get everyone back.
- Nicholas James
If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously.
- Colin
Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius.
- Robert Scoble
This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it!
- Chris
Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-)
- Jeff Weber
LOL Jeff
- Bill Heslin
chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh...
- Steve Ford
I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did.
- Michael Kaiser
Michael: Robert invented the 2010 web: http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Nicholas James
You mean R. Scoble didn't? I'm so confused now...
- Bill Heslin
I thought Al Gore invented it?
- John Brazel
There goes the Bulleit Bourbon?
- TunisianGuy
I'm sure Leo finished the Bulleit on the way home TunisianGuy :)
- Bill Heslin
@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL
- Adam Turetzky
don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho
- TunisianGuy
Welcome back Leo
- Bill Heslin
I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay!
- Ryan Massie
The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Amyloo
I think your plant is upset Leo :)
- Bill Heslin
Back live woooo!
- Moobie
live.twit.tv
- TunisianGuy
yayyyyy
- TunisianGuy
Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool.
- John Brazel
Part2
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-)
- Moobie
LOL. This is better than TV
- Bwana ☠
we need a minute please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@Bill Lol @ the plant
- zephyrlily
I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :)
- Bwana ☠
Bwana - Lol! :-)
- Moobie
Half Bwana...I would think at least 99.9% :)
- Bill Heslin
I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part
- Jack
Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules)
- Tim Hughes
I blame the Pre Leo...
- Bwana ☠
Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it.
- Kevin Hart
keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor
- Thomas McGivern
I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC.
- Ryan Massie
Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be)
- Scott Edwards
Take 2
- Bill Heslin
Now the show will be tame :)
- Bwana ☠
I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue
- zephyrlily
lol
- Chris
LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show
- Bwana ☠
GTALK
- Nicholas James
You are a class act Leo!
- invariant - farewell FF
Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no.
- Joel R
LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video.
- Mike Bracco
Yes, mike's audio is fine.
- Cliff Gerrish
leo, you are great.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Well done both Leo and Mike
- Kim Landwehr
Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East.
- Karoli
seems to have lost audio - anyone else?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
hiccup
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up.
- Marco Ho
Tina, recording part ii
- Cliff Gerrish
What Calacanis incident?
- Chris
Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
I like Arrington's style.
- Colin
thanksCliff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone.
- Karoli
Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did.
- Paul
Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa...
- Jack
karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting
- Amyloo
He never apologizes.... explains his attitude.
- zephyrlily
keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Thomas McGivern
Gotta love Feldman! RT: The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz
- 1x29
This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this.
- Jesse Stay
No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights.
- Colin
The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer.
- Jesse Stay
Steve is angry :(
- David Lloyd
can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina.
- Karoli
Thanks Karoli ... tough few days
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scobey! Welcome to the show!
- Colin
Yay, we have ourselves a show
- Robert
Jack, are you recording?
- Robert
I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions.
- Jesse Stay
moving right along...
- Brad Kligerman
yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later
- Jack
So what's happening in tech?
- Colin
This week in therapy
- Thomas McGivern
group hug
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Leo vs Steve is coming up next...
- Chris
Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you
- Robert
Good thing Scoble isn't on a Pre with Sprint. Cause we could end the debate on Pre, or Sprint right now cause his signal is cutting out...Can ya hear me now? LOL
- Bill Heslin
As a journalist you have to ask tough questions
- Jesse Stay
This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one.
- Brad Kligerman
Robert=Fuzzy goofball...lol
- Bill Heslin
I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus
- Jack
Steve has a good wife.
- Colin
I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed!
- Lise
Leo's in his "battle stance"
- Colin
Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm?
- Brad Kligerman
Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang!
- Chris
Chris, networks have interdependencies
- Karoli
We shall see.
- 321
Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress!
- Aaron T. Harvey
Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it.
- Andrew Johnson
I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though
- Andrew Johnson
Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard?
- Karoli
For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve.
- Brad Kligerman
of course i'm not saying that Karoli
- Andrew Johnson
I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's?
- Stephen Pickering
Excellent point Brad
- Robert
My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too
- Karoli
I do agree with Brad.
- Karoli
I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too
- Andrew Johnson
Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug
- Stephen Pickering
I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else.
- Steve
Steve needs to stop reading this chat
- Robert
I agree, I think he's taking it too literally
- zephyrlily
i think it is irc that he is speaking of
- Andrew Johnson
Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online.
- Verbal
Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously
- earl wallace
Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that.
- Lise
Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often.
- Joel Asaro
Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses.
- Karoli
FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this.
- Jesse Stay
We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together.
- Colin
Leo, the drama is the show.
- Karoli
i'm confused... leo added drama too
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
This is not going to end well......
- David Peralta
If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory
- Karoli
Ryan, I can't believe you're even suggesting that this has anything to do with ad revenue
- Derek Erdmann
This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine.
- Matthew
Uh Oh
- Bill Heslin
Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile
- Karoli
Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent
- Gary Gannon
I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
Ohhhh....
- Amyloo
Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this?
- Jesse Stay
internal angst
- zephyrlily
I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer...
- Robert
the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is.
- Karoli
Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT
- Ryan Merket
Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls
- Karoli
Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve.
- Lise
'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement.
- Brad Kligerman
Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana.
- Colin
I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way.
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
We need Steve to hook all these people up!
- Colin
talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think
- Karoli
Steve us wrong about networks. This is clearly Leo's network.
- Scott Wilder
We don't want to see you dead, Mike
- Stephen Pickering
It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks
- zephyrlily
There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights.
- Joel R
We're not crazy!! *twitches*
- Robert
the content and the passion are indivisible
- Hilary Talbot
I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this.
- Lise
SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream
- Karoli
I <3 you all guys
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread
- 321
Sounds like they have patched things up.
- Mike Doeff
Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear.
- Jan Zimak
@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though
- Jesse Stay
Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
Underwear 12 y/os? wtf?
- Ryan Merket
What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh
- Lise
I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening
- Stephen Pickering
OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol
- Andrew Johnson
I think Leo should "man up" and say the quality of the content isn't enough to keep GG on TWiT.
- Scott Wilder
This is why social profiles are a good thing - building a presence that you have to be responsible for is just as critical for the web as it is in person.
- Derek Erdmann
I haven't seen much stupidity on friendfeed actually; few insensitive comments perhaps in this stream but nothing much really
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is
- Robert
Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is?
- Stephen Pickering
i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now
- Dano Hart
Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat
- Jesse Stay
That IRC chat is a disaster
- Mike Doeff
Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders.
- Aaron T. Harvey
I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet.
- Lise
Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here
- Stephen Pickering
No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show.
- Brad Kligerman
Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here
- Jack
Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously
- earl wallace
Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else
- Karoli
Ultimately Steve is right. If he doesn't like Leo's ability to control the show because he controls the network, then GG should go somewhere else.
- Scott Wilder
Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen.
- Jesse Stay
You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now.
- Colin
you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show.
- Karoli
can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already
- TunisianGuy
Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've...
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- Jason Miller
gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like.
- Adnan
why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II?
- Karoli
Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo.
- Jim Posner
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities.
- Colin
I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great
- Gary Gannon
Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like
- Jesse Stay
why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington
- Stephen Pickering
Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK
- Karoli
If I want drama I'll turn on TNT, because apparently they know drama.
- Scott Wilder
The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT
- Jack
Gillmor's talking but no one can hear.
- Sprague D
On TWiT, the drama is replaced by the outstanding interactions between the members of the panel. Debating on the topic (like Dvorak v. everybody) is very different from getting personal, which I think is what happened here.
- Derek Erdmann
Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit.
- Libertine
Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD?
- coldbrew
Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended.
- tollie williams
Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed"
- Ryan Merket
I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060...
- BryanSchuetz
All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one.
- Jesse Stay
I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech.
- Paulius G
good point ryan merket
- Dano Hart
Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button
- Ryan Merket
@tollie very good insight
- earl wallace
Stay: Agreed.
- coldbrew
Audiences long for access to this show.
- Colin
This is all so very self-involved and silly.
- Christopher A Carr
@Ryan that's not the case at all
- Harvey Birdman
So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :)
- tollie williams
Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form
- Jack
There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming.
- Mike Doeff
+1 Colin
- Brad Kligerman
You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"]
- coldbrew
Hug it out guys.
- Mike Doeff
Jack, agreed.
- Karoli
I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are
- John Hillestad
"With all due respect". Got it.
- Sprague D
The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones.
- Ryan Merket
Ryan you've made that point a few times already now
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience.
- Jesse Stay
I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course.
- Lise
Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok.
- Bwana ☠
I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network
- Robert
Without a community there's no one to consume your content.
- Aaron T. Harvey
"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing
- Dano Hart
Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do"
- Karoli
Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way?
- Sprague D
It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners
- David Peralta
I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic!
- Thomas Hawk
"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Steve please do this on a closed call
- earl wallace
Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected.
- Lise
Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it
- Robert
"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content'
- Brad Kligerman
@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone.
- Gary Gannon
Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway.
- bobrudge
Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen
- coldbrew
I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose.
- Bwana ☠
Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled.
- Jim Posner
This show is going no where now
- Jesse Stay
It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'.
- Verbal
This has been brewing for a while
- Mike Doeff
i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content
- Dano Hart
If Steve wants to move the show off Twit then he should, although he shouldn't make the decision RIGHT NOW he should make it after the show and after careful consideration. Although I don't see why it can't stay on Twit.
- Nicholas James
Anella: Yes ;)
- coldbrew
The problem is Leo can turn off the show
- Jack
The show can go on with Leo
- Bwana ☠
The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important
- Karoli
dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe
- Dano Hart
Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is!
- Chris
Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
The show can go on without Leo
- Bwana ☠
Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions!
- coldbrew
Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down
- Lise
Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo?
- Jesse Stay
I am Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Also wouldnt it be up to Mike if Gillmor Gang stays on Twit after all they're located over at: http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ ;)
- Nicholas James
Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not?
- Chris
I think Steve is actually on the right track. Steve wants COMPLETE control. He can't on TWiT
- Scott Wilder
Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't
- Bwana ☠
Chris, because he believes the content is important.
- Karoli
Steve works for Mike, BTW.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light.
- earl wallace
No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time.
- Robert
Steve should put it on his own network and ask Leo back as a guest.
- Derek Erdmann
Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less.
- coldbrew
Bwana, I'm confused!
- Jesse Stay
If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm
- Lise
We Collegiates are Reviled
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance.
- bobrudge
Leo was liberal with those F bombs : )
- Mike Doeff
collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse: I think Bwana is referring to the fact that you said can it "work AND without Leo" at the same time...didn't you mean OR ;)
- Nicholas James
LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha
- Lise
Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show?
- Jesse Stay
You can't take it with you has never been more true.
- Aron Michalski
Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright!
- Dano Hart
@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution.
- Ryan Merket
Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit.
- coldbrew
stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here.
- Brad Kligerman
Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future.
- Chris Heath
I think the balance of the show is fine. I think Steve just wants to be the main face on Gillmor Gang instead of on a monitor in the background ;)
- Nicholas James
Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG)
- Karoli
coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network.
- Jesse Stay
I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show.
- Mike Doeff
932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on
- daveccorey
Karoli, because it's on Leo's network
- Lise
It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-)
- Joel R
LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it"
- Jesse Stay
Steve hinted at the beginning at people being rude saying 'the old guy' should get off etc; I think he has good reason to be not happy if that's the case
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Joel, WInMo can do that, with Skyfire.
- Christopher A Carr
Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I definitely have a new respect for all of the people on this videocast after this. Well done all..
- Bill Heslin
Props for you guys going live with this. Way to stay professional and sort this stuff out.
- Derek Erdmann
okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!"
- Jesse Stay
It's completely recorded Leo :)
- Bill Heslin
I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it.
- Lise
Who in here has this recorded?
- Jesse Stay
I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that.
- Mike Doeff
Whoo! GO JACK!
- Robert
No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: someone mentioned before that they recorded the first one and will be recording the second one. Update: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 said he was going to ;)
- Nicholas James
I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
Welcome to the interwebs Steve
- Gary Gannon
Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio.
- Paulius G
Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool.
- Joel R
I knew it would be a tame show after that
- Bwana ☠
LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove
- Lise
I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now... :)
- Bill Heslin
That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon.
- 321
I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington.
- Jesse Stay
I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech!
- Lise
i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe
- Dano Hart
This is TWID!
- Joel R
is the bar open yet?
- Andrew Johnson
TWiD - nice!
- Aaron T. Harvey
After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today
- David Peralta
Don't worry Leo we saw the names before you covered it ;)
- Nicholas James
@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil.
- Jan Zimak
Yes Andrew Serving Martinis as we speak...what can I get you? LOL
- Bill Heslin
Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today
- Stephen Pickering
And 3 hours later we get the Pre review
- Jack
Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow
- Bwana ☠
sluggish yes Bwana...
- Bill Heslin
that would drive me nuts
- Bwana ☠
wait until Monday for any iPhone announcements
- Derek Erdmann
Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold?
- Aaron T. Harvey
Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick
- Mike Doeff
Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone.
- Paulius G
Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?!
- Charlie Anzman
UI looks great
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash.
- Aron Michalski
I always had issues with Palm freezing and it seems it's still doing it watching this
- Bill Heslin
Leo, how's the keyboard? Engadget and Gizmodo didn't seem too pleased with it
- Derek Erdmann
Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week
- Karoli
Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :)
- Bwana ☠
Aaron: I've had a 'roundy/pudgy' phone in the form of a Samsung D500 and it was fine.
- Nicholas James
automatically syncs with google and facebook cool; look forward to seeing the keyboard too
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
I like that app dock
- Mike Doeff
I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone.
- 321
321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery
- Bwana ☠
Is anyone going to post the make-up video?
- Jim Posner
looks like it needs a software update for that latency (that would bug the hell out of me)
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
321: Apple will be launching background apps soon ;) They blame battery's because their battery sucks.
- Nicholas James
Jim: http://friendfeed.com/jackx1 is going to be posting the recording of it
- Nicholas James
oh dear it's really not responding to Leo
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
that phone does look pretty slick
- Dano Hart
looks sluggish
- Robert
Robert: It's running alot of background apps though - using a lot of memory
- Nicholas James
anyone want some koolaid?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
good point, maybe it'd be faster if he closed down bg apps
- Franz Sittampalam
No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it
- Bwana ☠
It's sluggish all around
- Bwana ☠
bye
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Aaron: Update: Leo mentioned its comfortable to hold ;)
- Nicholas James
I don't love the UI, but the multitasking features look good. I'd like to see how this would work on more powerful hardware
- Derek Erdmann
Cya Tina!
- Nicholas James
I love great notification systems, and Palm has one
- Bwana ☠
Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :)
- Bwana ☠
Google Wave is going to be an interesting paradigm for mobile devices
- Scott Wilder
Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen
- Cory Roush
Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps
- Aaron T. Harvey
induction charge....very cool
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Oh, neat, that's the first time I've seen the gecko stuff on a real product!
- Derek Erdmann
flawless ustream for me today
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
That charger is ingenius
- Jesse Stay
Nintendo kills me with that
- Bwana ☠
High Demand = Immediate Press Coverage = Creates More Demand = Then Supply Inital Demand Only = Cycle Repeats ;)
- Nicholas James
Jeff Cannata on TWiT?!
- Chris
It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me
- Bwana ☠
Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have
- Bwana ☠
For the die hard Palm'ers
- Bwana ☠
Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does...
- Aaron T. Harvey
Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-(
- Jack
That'll come
- Bwana ☠
People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string
- Bwana ☠
do a quick test
- Bwana ☠
Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :)
- Bwana ☠
It's a good time to be a Phone lover
- Bwana ☠
It is "good competition" to the iPhone
- Jesse Stay
Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition
- Bwana ☠
Poor Motorola
- Bwana ☠
Palm getting 2nd is good for version 1.0
- Nicholas James
monday it will be 3rd
- Byron McCollum
O_O dead pixel blues
- Bwana ☠
Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition
- Bwana ☠
Personally I think phones with sliding keyboards are great.
- Nicholas James
his thumb covers 4 keys
- Bwana ☠
Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA
- Jesse Stay
i could never use that analog keyboard
- Byron McCollum
Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today.
- Jason Miller
I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard.
- Aaron T. Harvey
That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
For me the apology will long out-live the video.
- Colin
LOL Bwana
- Lise
Nooooo
- Bwana ☠
Dont do it Leo
- Andrew Johnson
We could post your apology
- Aaron T. Harvey
Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity.
- Colin
I wouldn't :) :)
- Bwana ☠
Personally; I think you should make a video with the rant and then the appology immediately afterwards - that way they'll outlive each other ;)
- Nicholas James
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D
- Bwana ☠
do just the tribute and cut after that
- Andrew Johnson
Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it.
- Lise
Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies!
- Colin
we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike.
- Lise
We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us!
- Aaron T. Harvey
we love you too leo!
- Derek Erdmann
Go eat some meat Leo
- Bwana ☠
You deserve a few choice cuts
- Bwana ☠
See you in the morning, Leo.
- Lise
Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :)
- Bwana ☠
Thanks guys!
- Nicholas James
Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P
- Andrew Johnson
now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow
- Andrew Johnson
this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality.
- Joe Magennis
Joe: It's up to Mike and Steve although, I agree that it should remain on Twit.
- Nicholas James
Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!!
- Andy
Haha, this is drama for geeks.
- Manuel Mas
Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes......
- John Spencer
I think Arrington should be a guest on Sunday's TWIT.
- Jason
I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing?
- jccalhoun
I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today.
- Allen Blair
Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario
- chad cicconi
listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist.
- jccalhoun
Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions.
- Charlie Anzman
Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that?
- jccalhoun
some people were being insensitive and they must have been paying attention because they got the feeling everyone concurred and thus the chatroom was a 'mob' of unified opinion;
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man.
- Rock
Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities.
- Dominic
Perfect. Way to go.
- Byron Servies
I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network.
- MarK
They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people.
- jccalhoun
Personally I felt the arguement for it not being on Twit is because Steve wants to be the main 'face' of Gillmor Gang regardless of being in FULL control of it or not. Although, I like the setup on Twit and think it is a great setup for Gillmor Gang which Steve will probably realise when he calms down - as he was pretty emotional on the show - although, remember it will be down to Mike (and Leo) at the end of the day and I don't think that they'll move it from Twit. Personally, I hope they don't.
- Nicholas James
If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech?
- David J. Garcia
from twhirl
Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too.
- Alberto Saavedra
Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway
- Andy
i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews.
- Dave Martin
dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run
- Chris Heath
Can I download the show somewhere?
- Wo
dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole
- Chris Heath
Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience...
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- Chris Heath
as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps?
- Matt Hall
Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-)
- jccalhoun
jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;)
- Matt Hall
If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears...
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- Jonathan Langdale
Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs...
- Matt Hall
Dave: Mike posted an appology on Techcrunch
- Nicholas James
Most entertaining GG moment ever!
- Douglas
I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit.
- Amac
This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people...
- Hamish MacEwan
Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0
- Erle Stride
Erle: You can only see the voice recording but they are located here http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... thanks to http://friendfeed.com/jackx1
- Nicholas James
Thank you Nicholas
- Erle Stride
it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully
- jcunwired
Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support!
- John - becomingamac.com
I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room.
- Matt Matthews
it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup....
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- Tobias Lewsadder
Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more.
- jccalhoun
I'm sure Leo said that if someone came to the studio he'd be happy for them to host
- Nicholas James
As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument.
- Dave Wallace
Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct.
- Phil Essing
Phil: Leo appologised on the 2nd Gillmor Gang and Mike appologised on a Techcrunch post.
- Nicholas James
Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place.
- Phil Essing
I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio
- Erle Stride
This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo!
- Jim Graham
Leo should install a big red kill button that cuts to re-runs for these cases or the occasional wardrobe malfunction.
- KyleHase
Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not just dead air, I guess. Hm.
- Ken Sheppardson
Two tribal leaders collide... which one do you choose as a role model for your kids?
- randulo
We love you Leo!
- Imran Idris
Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama.
- Jamie
Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an...
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- Karoli
+1 Karoli
- Brad Kligerman
The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat.
- Jay Cuthrell
arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude?
- Tobias Lewsadder
Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too.
- Karoli
1164 comments. woah
- Tyler Gillies
a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
go @bwana, right arm! Yeah folks, Leo is human, he's still the brightest light around, no one has as much culture or as wide a knowledge of so much. He's like the opposite of FoxNews
- randulo
I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol.
- Jamie
just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
1171 comments on one FF post...........that's got to be a record!
- mark dekruyter
http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random."
- Andy
@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs.
- Brad Kligerman
BradKligerman .... you are right..I'll just say, I appreciate Leo Laporte taking the "high road"...it says alot. It's his show, and in that moment, he had enough of the blatant, uncontrolled, self promotion techniques of some guests, in this case, Mike A.
- mark dekruyter
The G.G. show has always had a different feel or flavor to it: this blowup might have been inevitable...the tone of G.G. is so different than Twit.
- mark dekruyter
WOW!!! Leo said a bad word.
- Joe Demartino
...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content.
- Brad Kligerman
That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized.
- Kevykev
The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did.
- MIQAL
Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work!
- Anant Gairola
Had a feeling it would be busy here.................
- Kevin J Hatton
Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see.
- Jim Posner
karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did...
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- Tobias Lewsadder
This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa...
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or...
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- Karoli
wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one
- Bob
keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it.
- Thomas McGivern
Loren Feldman's video response is good.
- Stephen M. Otto
Way to go Leo.
- Ryan Grier
The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment?
- Michael Metz
Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free.
- Stephen M. Otto
Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean.
- Rustic Thoughts
Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin"
- Rustic Thoughts
I love the intro music....
- Rustic Thoughts
hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok
- daveccorey
I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self.
- Hamilton Wallace
historic like the inauguration?
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump?
- Hamilton Wallace
Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!!
- Jim Corkrum
We can haz FF entry for TWiT?
- Ken Sheppardson
thanks to Denise we will in a second ken
- Chris Heath
I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit.
- MarK
I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom.
- Karoli
Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole.
- Samuel Cohen
is that my denise!!?
- jeneane sessum
(still watching)
- jeneane sessum
Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop.
- Jay Cuthrell
I came to all this late, but from what I've seen, there were quick apologies between the principles involved, why did any(every)one feel the need to get on a side and rail against one or the other when in fact, the 2 people involved pretty quickly made their peace.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy.
- Ken Sheppardson
If Leo and Arrington were to war, I'd back Leo without question, but they made nice pretty quick. I can't stand Arrington and think the spitter had the right idea (spitting isn't real violence, just a sign of respect) but now everyone went and pushed him out of this sphere, which lessens it. Without the other side, this will become an echo chamber. We'll all start congratulating each other for pushing the water closer to the shore: http://www.zefrank.com/theshow...
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, that's the nature of news. Breaking news goes viral but the follow-ups often do not. The live-web amplifies this sequence.
- KyleHase
In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG.
- Sam Ellis
Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it.
- Adam Deem
I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf
- Linton Davies
ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind
- Richard Thomson
My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take...
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- Dale Dietrich
Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful...
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- Jason Miller
Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second.
- Karoli
Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.".
- Marisa Duma
my bottle of Mountain Dew Throwback ..
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Man I want to try it. Pepsi throwback is quite tasty
- Bwana ☠
What's throwback?
- Andrew Trinh
Made with Sugar instead of HFCS
- Bwana ☠
Tastes better imho
- Bwana ☠
it certainly does taste better .. not to mention a monster sugar rush lol
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I thought they all normally have sugar in it, I know for a fact that we don't have caffeine in our Mountain Dew.
- Andrew Trinh
from IM
I miss Mountain Dew here in the UK :( Used to be my fave drink
- Simon Wicks
Most sodas have high fructose corn syrup in it .. It's chemically modified corn syrup ..Pure sugar is better for you then HFCS
- John Blanton
from twhirl
That and Pepsi Throwback, so much better than the crap they are shilling today. I hope Pepsi Co. decides drop the Throwback name and get rid of the current HFCS (and not just because it is in everything).
- kenneth glenn
I was sad to hear these are only for a limited time. I hope they keep them around just for the option. (I try to drink soda only a handful times a month)
- Bwana ☠
Amen Mr. Glenn .. but the more I think about it the more I think it's just a limited time deal .. which is sad. I'm going to see if there is a way to contact them and tell them to make this their permanent recipe and I'll post what I find here.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Start stocking up on supplies now and you'll have a value commodity in the future.
- Andrew Trinh
from IM
Pepsico Inc. 700 Anderson Hill Road Purchase NY 10577 ph# (914) 253-2000 ...so let's call them up and see what they got to say about it? :)
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I really wouldn't be surprised if they released the Throwback sodas cuz they ran out of HFCS lol
- John Blanton
@Andrew Trinh .. not a bad idea! :)
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I've always liked the old school logos too
- John Blanton
from twhirl
didn't know they're making Mt. Dew Throwback as well, will have to look for it
- Chris Pugh
@Bwana I got a 12pk of the Pepsi Throwback .. haven't tried it yet
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I'm tempted to go to the store :)
- Bwana ☠
all my local grocery chains have it on sale ..which is kinda odd if you think about it.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I have a bottle of Pepsi Throwback, though I'm not a Pepsi fan. I don't know where to get my favorite brand's sugar beverage, unless I go to The Pub, and I don't want to go to TP.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Thanks for all feedback on this ..wasn't expecting it . .thanks just the same! :)
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I just went to three stores, no one has it
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana I don't remember where you live but I'd be willing to bet it's on it's way to ya .. Memphis is a major distribution hub so that might explain why it's available here and not where you're at yet.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I found it in Orlando a couple of weeks ago... I'm in Jacksonville, FL
- Bwana ☠
I really need to get another bottle of this soon. Honestly don't know what's stopped me.
- Jared Smith
Can you order it online?
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana I'm looking for it right now
- John Blanton
from twhirl
@Bwana I can't find anything through official channels.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
Yeah, all I see is eBay :( I guess I'll have to call around stores
- Bwana ☠
Yeah too bad they don't sell online but the shipping costs would kill a pocketbook probably
- John Blanton
from twhirl
stencil http://twitpic.com/5vg0i
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wow, bigger than I thought you'd go
- Chris Pugh
Why I don't use Google Reader much anymore:
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I have 585 friends there. That's after spending YEARS there (and for the first year or so I was the #1 user of Google Reader). Compare to Twitter, where I have almost 90,000 friends.
- Robert Scoble
Or compare to Friendfeed, where 37,000 are following me after using it for a FAR SHORTER time.
- Robert Scoble
Plus, here, interaction is much nicer and I get a nice kick out of sharing someone else's stuff and seeing the reaction to it.
- Robert Scoble
How do I share? http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... is where I do it. I have 18,000+ items there shared from the world's top tech bloggers.
- Robert Scoble
I *never* gave a thought to having "friends" on Google Reader. I just use it to read feeds I subscribe to. Strange how people can use tools in completely different ways.
- Ken Sheppardson
I use Reader almost exclusively to read the blogs I follow. I recently got into sharing there but I don't know if it's all that great.
- Merry Kuchle
Dean: if I'm going to take time to make a "magazine" out of the world's best web sites/bloggers/ etc yeah, number of followers does matter. It shows me how important the tool is.
- Robert Scoble
You spent years there sure, but most of those years Google Reader had no concept of friending. Nonetheless I agree: Google Reader is not (and should not be) yet another social network. It is information presentation, not conversation.
- DGentry
I was thinking the same thing, KShep. Sharing my items on GR is an afterthought, because it wasn't there at the betinning
- Francine Hardaway
GR is very limited on sharing. It's great for scanning, but conversation is of enormous value.
- Holly Rae, FFer
I'm thinking about ditching Google Reader too.
- Jonathan Brown
I use Reader for reading blogs only...
- Vicki T Rodas
I don't use it much either. Once a day to share interesting stuff. Friendfeed and twitter send me the gravy.
- Sameer
i am only visiting reader 1x a week now. even then i'm just bookmarking info in Diigo for retrieval later. twitter and FF is where i get all my info now
- Chris
When friendfeed has 37x more users for me after a shorter time, it doesn't make me feel good about spending time on another too that has less functionality.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not sure I could ditch my goog reader addiction.
- Chris Pugh
totally agree dude - I never look at my reader because it's constantly over 1000 - I would far prefer to be a fan of someone or a blog and have the feed come in my news feed
- James Stewart
Reader is mainly for RSS, but I like the Sharing tool that I parse into Twitter/Friendfeed. Have a some selected "friends" that I follow closely there.
- Paul Papadimitriou
GR is still an excellent Aggregator for me...I like the format and find it to be an easy place for me to enjoy some quiet reading time.
- Jamie Ginsberg
The one exception is that Feedly rocks. If I start sharing stuff again on Google Reader it'll be because of Feedly.
- Robert Scoble
When I share on Google Reader I have my shared items feed post to Twitter.
- Byron Scullin
And for anyone here on friendfeed it doesn't matter because my Feedly shares go to Google Reader which come here to friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I have to admit that I never used Google Reader so I'm not much help on reasons to abandon it.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I too still use Google Reader to just read certain websites I really like. I clean it out about once a month if I don't really read a site. I certainly do use friendfeed for any sharing/friend stories.
- Dean Clark
I just find that I'm getting MUCH better inputs here on friendfeed than on Google Reader lately. That's because I'm following more than 20,000 people here and can see patterns much quicker and now that we have filtering I'm finding a ton of stuff I'd never find on Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Dean: the thing is, I do the same thing here now.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, Reader is about reading for me. It's like my newspaper except much better. I only have a couple friends on there.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
I keep realizing that I'm really tired and that it's late and I haven't looked at my bazillion feeds in GReader. This happens virtually everyday lately. FriendFeed and real life have taken over my life.
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
I scan my Twitter crew @Microplaza a couple of times a day; it's cool.
- Holly Rae, FFer
Google Reader has never really been a social media tool in my eyes.
- Eric Dunlap
Robert: You've also put a lot more time into Friendfeed than I have :-) One of these days I swear I'll put some more time into adding and organizing people on it to get better use. One of these days!
- Dean Clark
Neal: you're using Google Reader like I did years ago. Even if I try to go back and go down to only a few blogs, friendfeed wins big time.
- Robert Scoble
It's scale and quality that make Friendfeed most useful for me.
- Holly Rae, FFer
I just find it fascinating how this topic is the fastest moving I've ever seen here on FF.
- dthree
I dont think you should be comparing Google Reader with FriendFeed or Twitter, totally different uses. I like to use Reader to go back and read all the posts I did not have time to read before, with FF or twitter, you only get to read so much before it gets tiring, plus Reader allows you to mark what you have and have not read.
- Mike Cheung
Dean: I put probably 1000 hours or more into Google Reader too. I'm very happy I did, because it makes Feedly really rock (Feedly builds off of the feed base you put into Google Reader).
- Robert Scoble
My Google reader has moth balls all over it as well. It just doesn't do it for me. Info is much more real time and network based.
- Troy Malone
Mike: you have not yet discovered filters. I have. I need to show you why that's so powerful.
- Robert Scoble
David: isn't it cool?
- Holly Rae, FFer
I have almost friends in GR, though I do like the aggregation of socialmedian friends into GR, and gain a great deal of knowledge from that pool of friends. I share from google reader to Friendfeed mostly to push items I like to the platform I prefer, and if a conversation ensues then the benefits go up exponentially.
- jcunwired
This is all true I find myself checking my reader less and less; though I still need it for a few bloggers who I read regularly who don't postback onto FF
- Raj Advani
Robert: You're right...I get overwhelmed eventually by my own curiosity and empty my reader and start over. It gets backed up when I am busy with a project and so on, while I can keep FF open while I work and follow the chatter pretty effectively (two monitors, one just for social stuff).
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Troy: exactly. If news is breaking Google Reader is totally unsatisfying. Yesterday I was at the Social Graph Summit. I was watching stuff pour in here from people in the room with me (I had to leave for one session and that was a HUGE value). Google Reader? Nope.
- Robert Scoble
Neal: on friendfeed when that happens just start a new list. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I really like NetNewsWire, but have considered switching to GoogleReader for the "share" feature.But I still find myself sharing things I read in NetNewsWire on FriendFeed to start a conversation.
- Larry Roth
By filters, do you mean groups and saved searches here?
- Holly Rae, FFer
i suggest the robert scoble reader, the only source you'll ever need
- Daniel Langendorf
from Alert Thingy
Larry: that's the #1 reason I spent so much time on Google Reader. The sharing feature there was very powerful. I put thousands of items into my shared items feed over the past three years.
- Robert Scoble
1000 hours? Yeah no where even close for me lol
- Dean Clark
Larry, is there a quick way to do that?
- dthree
Your assumption is that conversation and link sharing is all that matters; GR is a powerful way to find out what others are talking about and have a more private interaction with information; it's an entirely different tool than these. That's like saying that you are giving up apples because you got a new car.
- Brad_King
Holly: yes. Shared Searches, sorry. I still think of them as filters.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh! Robert, you can share them? in a room?
- Holly Rae, FFer
Robert: Exactly. I like getting google alerts in my reader, though. When FF unveils the real-time search technology hiding under all of this on the whole web, that will be obsolete, too.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Brad: good point. I haven't completely given it up (and if you like Google Reader you'll probably LOVE Feedly) but I used to spend hundreds of hours a month in Google Reader. Now? Less than 10. That's a huge change in my reading behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Holly: no, I can't share my shared searches in friendfeed yet, but they dramatically are changing how I read stuff coming through the real time web.
- Robert Scoble
RS: Isn't that analogous to magazine, newspaper, blog, social media? Is Google Reader the new magazine?
- Brad_King
David: I haven't found one yet--had thought about writing an apple script...
- Larry Roth
I have been getting news faster on ff then google reader for a while now.
- Asankhaya Sharma
Brad: that's a good way to think of it, except there's too much noise to make it a good magazine anymore. Friendfeed is a better way to create a magazine for people.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, thanks for the clarification. I do love the saved search in FF. I use a FF room to aggregate Twitter search feeds and share with colleagues... Google alert feeds could be cool in that room too. Thanks.
- Holly Rae, FFer
We (my writing partner and I + some other select friends) use Google Reader + social bookmarks to create a collective discussion about specific projects and things that don't necessarily need the firehose that FF/Twitter are. But the thesis that GR is less powerful in this world I think is spoton.
- Brad_King
I started using GR for aggregating several feeds into one single location. I'd check it every day to see what was going down. I confess at first I was very lax with it's use. I'd accumulate about 1000+ unread items and being a little lazy would just lightly scan what was there and mark-as-read most of them. Then into my life came Twitter followed shortly by FriendFeed. I'm pretty sure...
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- Wilfredo Guerrero
Google reader is set up so that I can focus on the news and blogs that I know interest me. Friendfeed gives me much more - that which I would never have found on my own, or never would have thought I would be interested in. To me, this is priceless. And by combining the two experiences here its totally changed the way I use the internet.
- jcunwired
Wilfredo: I agree that I would like to see more engagement info in friendfeed (like how many people are clicking on links, etc).
- Robert Scoble
So Robert, are groups and saved searches the best way to aggregate links and create a list of blogs, stories, ect? I'm not sure I've mastered the UX of FF yet.
- Brad_King
main reason I don't use Google reader much anymore is all the good bloggers have stopped blogging. it's still good for picking up the MSM feeds :)
- Steve Wart
Brad: no, groups and saved searches are a way to filter your input and find stuff you care about. Your OUTPUT (or sharing) can be done by clicking "like" on the items you like and want others to see. That creates a feed that others can subscribe to. Here's my "likes": http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
I think you are right Steve - I've definitely noticed a drop in interesting blogging content in my feeds. Whether that is a good thing or not remains to be seen. (I've stopped reading books, but arguably I shouldn't be celebrating that.)
- Mike
The problem with Google Reader is that it is not nearly as good a platform as Friendfeed for discussing Friendfeed. Nothing beats Friendfeed for that.
- John Hardy
shiat, I've been looking for the LIKES feed. Where is that located on the UX? I don't see it anywhere
- Brad_King
Robert it can be interesting to have FF as a reader as well ....
- Johni Fisher
Brad: the feed for your friendfeed likes page is at the bottom of the page. There's an RSS and facebook feed there.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed and Twitter satisfy my RSS needs right now with stuff that are interesting to people like me. And that's just one part of their service.
- Manuel Mas
Mike: my blogging output has gone WAY down because of Twitter and friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Here is the "cool" feed: http://bit.ly/5Bgv
- Mike
Interesting, there ISN'T on mine. Just the RSS and FB and those go to my entire feed + there is no "filter" for likes.
- Brad_King
OIC!
- Brad_King
Brad, are you looking for your own likes? Click your name in upper right corner, then select Likes
- jcunwired
Robert: It's probably got a lot to do with the topics you are interested in. Tech blogging is tired but I can confirm that economic blogging is really hot at the moment.
- John Hardy
Brad: your likes Atom feed is here: http://friendfeed.com/wiredbe... I found that on the bottom of your likes feed.
- Robert Scoble
John: while that's true, the economic bloggers haven't yet discovered friendfeed. Watch what happens when they do (I estimate that'll happen in 2010).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: So basically: I can use FF just as I use GR?
- Wilfredo Guerrero
there is no LIKES anywhere, I have to search for it. but I see how to search for the feeds now :)
- Brad_King
Wilfredo: that's how I use it. There is one HUGE difference, though. Friendfeed only displays headlines. If you get fast with Google Reader's keyboard shortcuts you can read more information because you don't need to click and wait (and reading in a feed reader is more productive, but only for power users).
- Robert Scoble
Brad, you can see (and create RSS feed) from anybody's likes. Click your own name or someone else's, and then click on Likes.
- jcunwired
The great thing about GR is that you can enable it to "one touch" share on iPhone which posts to friendfeed and then to twitter, etc. There is no better way to quickly scan and share on the iPhone.
- Stephen M. Otto
Brad: what are you talking about? Everyone on friendfeed has a likes page. Just click on your name to go to your account's home page then click on the "likes" on the top of that page (you can do that with anyone's account).
- Robert Scoble
I'm learning things.
- anna sauce
Robert: Well actually I've gotten to the point that now I have all my items collapsed so I only see the titles. If it seems interesting I click on it and read on, then decide if I share or not. I really cut down on the time spent reading all my feeds. Just skimming and sharing what I like. Now 500+ items are scanned without much hassle.
- Wilfredo Guerrero
I think it is about time to let go the idea of socializing Google Reader any more,Friendfeed does that job very well.
- Steve Chou
Why? Google reader is one of my most favorite web app~~ annnnd it's getter even better everyday.
- yanchao
I see Google Reader as an important ingredient to FriendFeed, as others use Twitter. I also recognize that many people rely on my shares as an information filter. It also helps me get the top news fast. Combined with FriendFeed, it's a great 1-2 combination.
- Louis Gray
if i use (as i do) twitter+friendfeed and sometimes facebook, and i don't have time to look at google reader. my problem is that i have difficulties in choosing feeds, i have a lot of blogs/sites i follow in google reader, and i find it very hard to reduce that number: suggestions?
- Ivy /composmentis
Ivy : Sort your feeds by order of priority. I did that about a month ago, and that rocks. It enables you to realize you never read some feeds (or don't want to) whereas they're supposed to be in your A-list ...
- Stanislas Jourdan
Anyway to get FF to show content of RSS including images? The Custom RSS/Atom w/ description as comment option shows the text description, but no other HTML. I'd like to keep a similar reading experience as Google Reader if possible.
- Jonathan Brown
Friendfeed is great, and I love the filters. But for in depth info nothing beats Greader. Robert Scoble clearly invest a ton of time in Friendfeed, and therefore he/you can enjoy sparring with 100s of people in a way that others can't - their name just don't draw a crowd. Well, the point being, for me who accept that I cannot invest that amount of time in Friendfeed, then Greader will always have a much higher signal to noise ratio, and therefore be of much more value.
- Peter Efland
Peter: that's bull. You can subscribe to the exact same people in friendfeed and set it up so it only shows you their RSS feeds and then you'll see EXACTLY the same things you'll see in Google Reader. Also, you're wrong twice. Why? Because the things that get likes and comments have much HIGHER signal to noise ratio so you can filter on just those. That's EXACTLY why Google Reader is noisier for me. I can't filter it.
- Robert Scoble
I was curious as to the reason why your shared items are more or less extinct - now I know. Though I agree that likes can take the place of "shared" items on Google Reader and FF serves as a much better place for discussion, I like how streamlined Google Reader is and how much easier it is to keep track of items you read and items of relevance. Currently, one of my only complaints with...
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- Angus Burton
I agree,it is a little bit hard to track yesterday's good stuff,FF only means right now,maybe that's what Real time streams lack of
- Steve Chou
good point Steve Chou. Real time often makes it hard to find what was before. I agree with Angus Burton as well. It is far easier to go in and sum up on blogs in Greader or find old posts. Greader does have a google search so though you can't save the searches, they are quite easy to filter... I would love to ditch my Greader for Friendfeed, but it just doesn't do it.... but maybe its not one or the other... maybe they can be complimentary
- Peter Efland
Strangely I never used Google Reader until I watched Roberts interview with the Feedly founder and wanted to use Feedly, so I imported my world of RSS feeds into Google, and that was the last time I physically visited GR. I do all my adding and organizing from feedly. As for sharing I use the FF (likes and comments) integration built-into feedly to push content here and from here to...
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- Kevin Murray
For me, Google Reader and Feedly provide stronger features for feed reading than Friendfeed. I especially need list view and mark as read. Friendfeed should offer the option to hide all comments by default (displaying headers only) and to mark the current page or all as read. I stopped visiting the FF home page quite a few weeks ago -- I don't have time to wade through all the comments.
- Sean McBride
Robert, appreciate your comment, and you're right. I know I can import blogs as imaginary friends. Though in my opinion the signal to noise of likes in Friendfeed are still way too much quantity instead of quality - This is clearly shown in the "best of day" feeds, which are often just ridiculous...
- Peter Efland
I'm sticking with Google Reader. First, FF (and Twitter) inevitably become rivers of info. For many of my sources, I don't want a river, I want a cup, and I want to see it all. Second, the bulk of the people I follow (who are NOT social media mavens) are still blogging, nowhere near Twitter, much less Friendfeed. The latter will change, but the former will not.
- Maxwell Kennerly
THIS CONTEST IS OVER, PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS ANY MORE. Thank you.
535u, Miles Laird, Roman Zolotarev and 381 other people liked this
THIS CONTEST IS OVER. THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN AWAY. I'm giving away $4,500 of my money. The contest will be here in friendfeed between now and Tuesday afternoon. Ends 3 p.m. Austin, Texas Time. Winner will be picked live on http://www.ustream.tv/studio at 4 p.m. Austin Time. Two ways to win: First way to win ($1,000). Leave a comment here. We'll pick one winner out of a hat randomly. Second way to win (Two prizes of $1,750 each). Leave a comment about how you will use the money (use only one comment here). I'll pick my favorite two messages and announce a winner on Tuesday afternoon. Good luck!
- Robert Scoble
Good way to keep us engaged Robert :)
- bcultral
only that? too easy Robert! :)
- directeur
Robert "Ben Stein" Scoble :)
- Mattb4rd
Will it be tax free? :P
- imabonehead
pinched nerve in back from military accident.. might be outta work for a bit.
- WithoutInk
I'm in.
- Paul Grav
Sweet awesome robert!
- TheHenry
Simple is good. :)
- Heather Solos
Robert, Ben Stein beat you to that game. Try and be first rather than a fast follower. :P
- Lorin Olsen
I'll happily leave a comment here.
- Aaron Crews
What are the rules? International ok? :)
- Holger Eilhard
Congrads on the new venture:)
- Rob Cairns
I'll take it in Canadian please ..
- johnpiercy
Lets be honest- there are few people who literally put their money where their mouth is. Mr. Scoble you continue to impress me. And I have said this before the contest.
- Alyx
I declare myself ineligible for the first way to win :)
- Douglas Gourlay
Do you have to be an American? Cause I could use a new laptop :) Plus the USD>AUD exchange rate is pretty good at the moment ($1000 USD = $1500 AUD)
- Bryce Roney
Cool ....I need new Laptop
- Michael Holzinger
Prediction: this will be the most commented thread on FriendFeed ever (chance to win $1000).
- Mike Doeff
be sure to let us on the detailed result of this new experiment of yours
- Georgios Kasselakis
really? :)
- K.Fatih Özçelik
oh...pick me pick me pick me :)
- Stephanie Segel
Will you give me more if I say rackspace.com?
- Jason P. Brown
woohooo! Anton like this.
- Anton Johansson
c'mon fingers. find me in the hat.
- Jason Kane
OK, I'm changing my comment to go for one of the $1750 prizes. I will offer to donate all of it to a mutually acceptable charity in exchange for an appearance with you and Steve on the Gillmor Gang. If Jason can buy his way onto Twitter, maybe I can buy my way onto the Gillmor Gang!
- Kent
Are you still going to the XMPP meetup on tuesday?
- J Allen
Good luck to everyone!
- Amit Nangare
money talks :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Leaving random comment here for $1000 yo! Can I get that all in pennies and not rolled up? Preferably in gallon milk jugs!
- Jason Moffatt
I think Mike will be right
- Henrik Johansson
I would use the money to 1. Donate and support our local Milwaukee tech community (events like web414.com, BarCampMilwaukee.com, and Bucketworks.org) and 2. purchase some more tech items (i.e. mac mini, video camera, webcam) to enhance and encourage more interaction with development and the tech community.
- Sam Dodge
I'm in too ...
- Leo
$1000 for a random comment. I suspect we'll have a record number of comments. But what kind of hat will you be pulling the name out of? Austin Cowboy hat?
- Andrew Leyden
well, this is one way to get me to actually use my friend feed account =)
- Travis
I'm echoing the earlier comments, free money + your reach = most commented thread.
- Steven Cains
I could use it. Ill be out of a job in 2 weeks.
- Armando
sweet. i like free money =)
- Arin
Second way to win (Two prizes of $1,750 each). Leave a comment about how you will use the money (use only one comment here). I'll pick my favorite two messages and announce a winner on Tuesday afternoon. Good luck!
- Robert Scoble
I'm game. But don't shoot me.
- Steve Lowe
why would you do that?
- Burçak Sayınsoy
is this part of the bailout?
- Thomas Jelonek
Pick me!
- Henry Irish
hook it up!
- Zachary Poley
Robert , Congrats for Building43.com !
- Rocky
Open to anyone in the world. It's my money and if I get sued I'll make fun of you on Twitter. :-)
- Robert Scoble
So let me get this straight, I just leave a comment here? Will this $1000 be reported to the IRS? :)
- Craig Eddy
If ever there was money that could be used to buy gadgets guilt free it is Scoble money!
- Joe Pierce
Building 43 sounds interesting. Can't wait.
- Andrew Bashore
need cash for new company my wife and i are starting -- to help offset the cost of adopting our next child.
- WithoutInk
all i have to say is, more cow bell please :)
- Ivan Stegic
I LOVE RACKSPACE!!
- CG
I'll talk about the contest later on http://www.ustream.tv/studio
- Robert Scoble
Isn't this a nice way to test how scalable Friendfeed entries really are? :-)
- Yuval Atzmon
Will use it to buy Arrington a hairpiece after the TIME article.
- Mike
Please, no, you're better than Ben Stein (although that's not saying much) Are you trying for the most comments ever on a Friendfeed post? Because I can certainly see that coming.
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
What kind of hat?
- Geoff Schultz
Scoble--congrats to you and Rocky! Keep up the great work!
- Joey Hayles
Neat! I'd spend the money fairly selfishly... on bandwidth bills for http://enjoysthin.gs
- Ted Roden
How would I use $1750? Three words: Pay. My. Rent.
- Stephanie Segel
Are friends and family excluded?
- Tina Chase Gillmor