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Iran's Disputed Election http://www.boston.com/bigpict... Following up from last Friday's entry about Iran's Presidential Election, Tehran and other cities have seen the largest street protests and rioting since the 1979 Iranian Revolution. Supporters of reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, upset at their...

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Photojournalism done right. - Robert Scoble

Agree. Best I've seen in a while. Thank you MSM. You're still important! - Christian Anderson

Amazing, evocative and powerful stuff. Thanks for sharing. - K Srikrishna

Peter Kafka

confused. are we saying twitter "covered" the iran riots? or twitter covered people complaining about CNN's coverage?

June 14 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

"Twitter covered" is inaccurate right from the get go. Twitter is a medium. It doesn't cover anything. And, yes, there was a fair bit of well founded griping about the lack of msm coverage. - Christian Anderson

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"P.S 2: This website is banned in Iran by goverment since 3 hours ago." http://tehranlive.org/ - amazing photos (via @asteele)

June 14 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

@scobleizer did you see this site? Http://tehranlive.org - Christian Anderson

Kevin Rose

just downloaded safari 4 final, very pleased they moved the tabs back down to the bottom

June 9 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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I'm afraid to. Because of Glims, Safari 4 Beta would crash until they finally updated it. I haven't seen anything yet that indicates the latest version of Glims works with the latest version of Safari. - Fleagle

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It works well, except I cannot customized toolbar to stay put when I close the browser... I think it is a bug. - Tyson Williams

@Fleagle The latest version of Glims should work with Safari 4 - I updated it and it's been working OK for me. - Chu Yeow

Another vote for Glims on Safari 4. The latest build, I believe 17, works great. - David Chartier

Funny, I hated the tabs on top at first but now I kind of miss it. Now I feel the browser looks to bulky on top. - ChiliMac

no! i like the tabs at the top - Christian Anderson

You know, since my first true Mac experience (became an owner today), using Safari 4 within leopard has given me a much fresher perspective on web browsing, not the most convient in some respects, but fast, responsive and well laid out! - Josh Chandler

Safari 4 occasionally hangs when launching to my iGoogle homepage; haven't figured out whose fault it is. - Robert Hafer

lol, well Robert I wouldn't imagine the Apple or Google fanboys admitting either way, especially in a Kevin Rose thread :) - Josh Chandler

They should have left the tabs where they were, but made them suck less. They ought to just build Safari 5 from Chrome. - Christopher Carr

It's amazing, I haven't had a bad thing to note about Safari in recent years, except when they acted smug over the huge failure that was Safari for Windows! - Josh Chandler

@Josh: "...first true Mac experience?" ... and now your perspective is more "fresh?" - Christopher Carr

Robert Scoble

Getting ready for building43's launch on Thursday. We're doing a joint event with TechCrunch (it's their fourth birthday too). There will be a virtual component, too, and lots of Facebook stuff.

June 7 from Facebook - Comment - Like - Share

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Glad to see this release finally. A lot of us have been waiting for a while. - Abhimanyu Chirimar

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How,yeah, true. There's stil that Facebook thing going on. - Zackatoustra

Good luck, Scobleizer. - imabonehead

When's the party? - Christian Anderson

Thanks, it's just a start. Brainstorming, getting a team together, figuring out what Building43 will be, and getting the engine to start turning over has proven pretty difficult. Hopefully we can meet the expectations. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I will be covering the launch on the blog too. - Jim Connolly

Christian: unfortunately it's an invite-only affair because the place we're hosting it at can only hold 200 people. But we'll be doing live video and there'll be some fun friendfeed integration (thank you to Paul Buchheit and the friendfeed team for help, even over the weekend!) It all happens Thursday afternoon, more details to come soon. - Robert Scoble

Looking forward to it, Good Luck with the launch Robert! - Gary Gannon

Looking forward to seeing it all, hope it all goes smoothly :) - Sam Webb

Can't wait Robert - wish I could be there. - Jesse Stay

Sam: it's a launch. They never seem to go smoothly. Sort of like taking off from an aircraft carrier. - Robert Scoble

Best of luck to you and the team Robert. - Johnny Worthington

Looking toward to some great stuff - Bob Morris (polizeros)

Robert Scoble

One reason why I love Fred Wilson: he participates. Proof:

June 3 - Comment - Like - Share

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http://www.avc.com/a_vc... look at his comments. - Robert Scoble

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THAT is how you build a brand online. There are LOTS of rich guy VCs out there (I have hundreds of their cards). How many can you name? I can name only a handful and Fred is one of them. - Robert Scoble

He's a wonderful role model for all the businesses and people getting into the online world. There isn't a shortcut to this. If you want to be known, if you want followers, if you want engagement, you MUST participate. I guess there are other ways (already be a celebrity like Oprah) but they don't lead you to a good outcome. What is a good outcome? To have a better life. To me participation is key. - Robert Scoble

Congrats to Fred for shunning the conference circuit and investing that time in all of us. I appreciate it and am a loyal reader because of it. - Robert Scoble

but he' ant the only VC that participants.. there are others too .. !! - Peter Dawson

Fred was an early Twitter 'celebrity' for exactly this reason. He engages. This is why he'll continue to have a strong online brand. I think we'll start to see a backlash against people who don't engage. Fred as nothing to worry about when /if that happens. - Christian Anderson

Peter: there are others, but Fred stands out for some reason because of how he participates. - Robert Scoble

His blogs are very informative - in fact, I was just reading the latest "Is Twitter A Substitute For Set Top Box Data?" http://www.avc.com/. Excellent. Ditto to your findings regarding Fred. - courtney benson

yeah, but i don't participate enough in FF. i wish it were easier to do that from my blog comments. - Fred Wilson

Hmmm sounds like something that would be easier with...Google Wave! - Californian

Fred: seems to me you invested in a company called Disqus that should make it easier to do just that, no? ;-) - Robert Scoble

Just retweeted Fred a couple mins ago lol - James Goldman

@robert - i agree. right now it just pumps my comments here which is not the right model - Fred Wilson

One thing I like is that he keeps it classy. But, participating in comments is strategic too-- drives page views, encourages community. - Patricia

I am starting to think I need to talk to Fred and the Disqus team :) - Rob Diana

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Introducing the FriendFeed Team - http://bub.blicio.us/1111126...

May 29 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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hey, where are louis gray and Scoble? :) kidding:) - Christian Anderson

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I helped push them into the corner, does that count, Christian? :) - Louis Gray

hahaha :) - Christian Anderson

I LOLed when I saw you in the next picture on Brian's post. - Christian Anderson

Just what we figured: A bunch of geeks and a hot chick. (runs screaming 'Bear, Bear, Bear'...............) - Molly

Why is the guy on the right playing with a toy guitar? - Gilbert Harding

So which one of them is Kol again? ;) - Curtis Jackson

Tudor has my green hands are there. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

I never ceased to be amazed by how so much is done by so few. Everyone in that picture rocks. I'll even give Camilla a wee fistbump. - Curtis Jackson

Seriously, I agree, Alan. - Molly

Dave Winer

I didn't know there's a page on twitter.com where you can see all the suggested users. Useful! http://twitter.com/login

June 1 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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How is that useful? Are their suggestions in any way germane, or are you just trying to figure out who's gotten that special boost? - Joel Bennett

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Looks like its mainly a list of "Celebrity" twitterers. - Mark Schill

This is the current group of Suggested Users. New names are added every week. It's less celebrity-focused than it was in April. - Liz

or, you can just look at the most followed on twitterholic. same list - Christian Anderson

Wasnt there an argument over this page a while back? - J. Abdul-Qahhar

http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Dave Winer

So to be considered a 'suggested user' you must be in the so-called top echelon? This is just a carryover from values classification...A big ship just sank there are 5 people on board and only 4 life jackets. Who gets them? - Sheryl

What a tedious list of wankers. I follow almost nobody on that list. Am I missing out? - John Speck

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What Not To Wear: Microsoft Press Conference Edition - http://www.businessinsider.com/what-no...

June 1 from Silicon Alley Insider - Comment - Like - Share

i think microsoft sells those shirts - Christian Anderson

yep. it's microsoft "soft wear" http://www.microsoft.com/windows... - Christian Anderson

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Is it possible to filter out the tweets with #hashtags I don't want to see? #spymaster

May 29 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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This is a clear area where friendfeed shines. - Christian Anderson

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in twitter, the stream can get flooded with a tweets on a topic you don't care about - Christian Anderson

on friendfeed, those posts are typically threaded into a conversation that you can easily hide if you don't want to see it - Christian Anderson

Of course a twitter app like Tweetie, tweetdeck, could easily address by letting you filter by hashtag - Christian Anderson

But you can't specifically filter out a specific Twitter hashtag from Friendfeed. - Vlad Bobleanta

true, but most ff users filter out anything from twitter anyway so it's not really an issue - Christian Anderson

Btw, Statuzer does this. http://blog.textoo.net/en... -the best twitter client imho. - Vlad Bobleanta

Thanks, Vlad. I'll check it out - Christian Anderson

Please do, and keep in mind it's a work in progress, as all these clients are. If you need help, just @ me here or on Twitter or @Statuzer over there. - Vlad Bobleanta

Oh, and I'm in no way affiliated to it/it's creator. I just like it very much :) - Vlad Bobleanta

Christian Anderson

It's Official: Bing Is Now Microsoft's Search Engine http://www.pcworld.com/article... it's not working for me. just a white page

May 28 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Maybe Bing just doesn't work on Macs? - Christian Anderson

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anybody getting it to work? - Christian Anderson

tried Firefox and Safari - Christian Anderson

here's the post from the MSDN blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/livesea... - Christian Anderson

http://discoverbing.com/behindb... - Christian Anderson

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anyone come across or done some good thinking on social graph portability?

May 25 - Comment - Like - Share

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Assumption: one's physical graph is more portable than one's digital graph. - Christian Anderson

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The instance where social graph portability might logically be pronounced is in picking a mobile carrier, but it doesn't seem to be. - Christian Anderson

Yes, I've thought about this quite a bit. So has Google: http://code.google.com/apis... - Alan Steele

Alan, thanks for the link! I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. - Christian Anderson

As an experiment, I wrote a service the other day that traversed my social graph using the Google Social Graph API and returned all the RSS feeds associated with my 1st and 2nd degree connections. It turns out that the news resulting from those feeds - after filtering out the high-volume sites I'm likely to have seen already - is really, really interesting. Some of it is personal blogs... more... - Alan Steele

Nice! Will you be sharing? :) - Christian Anderson

Jason Goldberg

Let's create a list of 100 new startups that should be created right now!

May 25 - Comment - Like - Share

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Location based aggregated travel info, down to the street level. I want to be able to instantly know historical facts, reviews, tips, etc. about the building I'm looking at right now. - Jason Goldberg

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A user-curated/voted guide to the best expert advice on anything. - Jason Goldberg

dont these all exsit or are possible today, bringing together lots of sites... whats stopping us doing these now. is it just the user interface? - Nigel Walsh

that said, I like your idea.... we should have a news network that starts with positive news! - Nigel Walsh

@Nigel --> it's all doable with stuff that's out there. That's the best part of where the net is right now. It's all online, now we get to build cool services to make sense of it. - Jason Goldberg

Jason, this is an interesting idea. Regarding the "expert advice" thing, I would love to get a good version of product recommendations, but in a "wizard" format. Look at HDTVs, I should be asked questions about size, price, picture quality and maybe one or two other things and it should give me the best fit. - Rob Diana

Other ideas? - Jason Goldberg

Jason: the first two could probably done pretty easily as Mahalo apps. - Christian Anderson

Seems to me mashup apps are going to get huge. The companies that have the most open APIs with deep access to information will win the next round. - Christian Anderson

Further speculation: of the 100, 49 will be localized- or verticalized-search related. Another 49 will be mashups that tie econmerce to existing search tools such that the commerce gets more targeted and powered by one's social graph. - Christian Anderson

I think the people driven social space needs a metric. Something portable that identifies users contributions and influence. Something peer mediated. - Richard Zeidel

Christian, I hope you are right about mashups being huge, that would help me a lot :) However, I am not sold on social ecommerce. Product reviews are good, but the "power of the network" or social graph may not extend well with commerce. The social graph tends to use the idea that several people in your network are experts in something. Commerce does not work quite in the same way. - Rob Diana

Richard, I do not know if peers want to "mediate" as much as knowing how they rank. It is the selfish part of social that drives that. Once you start listing or ranking people, you get the whole a-list and a-list backlash problems. Just look at what is happening with Scoble's list today, http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - Rob Diana

Point your smartphone or iPhone at a house or building, and get all the background information. (This is potentially scary -- one could get all the background information on the residents or inhabitants of the house or building. This is doable now -- the technology and data are there.) - Sean McBride

One startup idea I wish we had was a unified communication platform. Basically, email, IM, twitter, friendfeed or whatever hook into one big "thing". This could probably start as a web app, and branch into mobile and and thick client apps as well. - Rob Diana

Rob: I'm more hopeful on the ecommerce side. For example, I have several photo geeks in my social graph. I'm thinking about buying a DSLR. They know me and suggested a D90. It's not so hard to imagine someone suggesting where to buy one or even selling me theirs over ff or whatever. - Christian Anderson

I agree with Rob. "a unified communication platform" could make life way easier for me. Streamy comes close but I am struggling with the interface. another startup that could be helpful is one that does location based social networking no matter where you travel...couchsurfing, socialect and localwoot do similar stuff. i wish the three could be combined :-) - Freddie Benjamin

Rob: Here's the disconnect for me. The Social Space is about the individual and the individual's positioning is based on their own packaging, contributions etc. Influence is a key factor - Twitter started with followers, Facebook has friends, LinkedIn has connections. But qualitative data begs the SFW - so fukin what!?! We need a measure to understand people and their place - and i... more... - Richard Zeidel

Point your smartphone or iPhone at *anything* and get all the background information. Think about that. Products at stores. Places. People. Documents. Vehicles. Any physical entity. - Sean McBride

Sean: See Ted Video Pattie Maes Sixth Sense...http://bit.ly/LdXlr - Richard Zeidel

@christian -- *could* be done via something like mahalo but i think they are more pure play apps. the first is more of a killer iphone app. I have been traveling so much lately that i want something like this. A service that literally can tell you everything interesting you need to know about the exact place you are at right this minute. The info is already out there online, it just... more... - Jason Goldberg

Nigel: In keeping with your positive news network idea, I'd love to do a series in manner of The Soup... a possibly humorous weekly recap of web culture news (from trending topics and blog top stories to start-up coverage and web series highlights). - Sarah Crisman

@shawn, i love it. - Jason Goldberg

Book Recycling. I'd like to see a method developed that would remove the printing from old books and reprint new text.. - Bill Bittner

Jason -- this idea of yours has occurred to me many times, so naturally I think it's brilliant. :) One of the tricks would be to prioritize the mountains of information associated with any given place. - Sean McBride

Richard -- got it: fantastic link to the work of Pattie Maes and Pranav Mistry at the MIT Media Lab. - Sean McBride

Death Alarm: Follow my online activity via RSS feeds (blog, twitter, facebook etc..) to determine if I am dead!, and if so, activate my afterlife macros. Macros include: sending my letters (e-mails) to family, updating statuses("farewell everyone"), posting blog. Death will be triggered by configurable idle time counter (no status updates for 30 days for instance), followed by e-mail... more... - denizoktar

@sean I would love to know the history of my house - I have a picutre from 1926 when it was just a field, yet a year later it was built... who by, who lived here - - Nigel Walsh

how about a feature request so that when you comment @nigel or otherwise it alerts you on Friend Feed! - Nigel Walsh

you know I was thinking earlier - Monday, better Detox, would love to use twitter for global support and tweet what I eat - and everything I tweet, automatically get counted for me and emailed to me every day against a plan.. I rushed back to the PC and someone had done it - almost identical to my thoughts... either Im getting slow or someone has read my mind! - Nigel Walsh

@Rob - Isn't this Digsby or something similar - the only thing that misses is Skype. Im also doing a lot of work with people like Cisco right now and they have some very cool UC stuff out or coming out - linking Presence and various other API's. Im doing this as part of an Enterprise Mashup - but this could easily be consumer based. - Nigel Walsh

Twitting credit card. Choose which kind of activities with your credit card to be twittered in your account.For instance: Visa, please twit everything I eat.(Inspired by Nigel) Whenever I buy a food, it will be twittered. (I am assuming credit cards keep track of each item bought. Do they? Here they don't) - denizoktar

One important start up - web 2.0 for education - there are people in the field but it is not "easy yet". Education is inherently conservative and slow to change - something stupidly simple that would allow/teach/train educators how to use and be successful in web 2.0 would be a great startup. Heck i'd even invest in that one. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Another important start up - portable health care - in that people can have an electronic version of their health care records, everything that they can carry with them. Personally it should be implanted, on a special card, and be very secure, up datable. The fun part would be dealing with people's MRI's, and other imagery/telemetry systems. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

A critical piece of the social web is status/rank. All the successful plays have some method of measuring one popularity/authority. - Christian Anderson

A just for fun startup - a true and reliable way to rank internet success, while we have ffholic, twitterholic, compete, quantcast, and other systems, where is the one that ties all this together, is reliable, is accurate, and can not be gamed? - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Jason: yep, a location-aware iPhone app from mahalo could do what you want. - Christian Anderson

Dan: isn't that internal conversion tracking tools? Or were you wanting to measure other sites? - Christian Anderson

this probably exsits (someone let me know if it does) but when I comment on blogs I want it to update FF automatically - eg Disquss... - Nigel Walsh

Ok. try this one on for size. I'm gonna create a website where every feature, including the first thing we build, is decided by a weekly vote of our users. - Jason Goldberg

I'd like to see a location based social network built around graveyards. You'd create a profile and reserve a physical plot of land and be buried there when you die. Your tombstone would display random status updates you posted to the web throughout your life. And you could look up your dead friends graves on google earth. I've thought about this! - Jon Gosier

give me a chip no bigger than a credit card which recharges my blackberry in 10 minutes - Jason Goldberg

an online incubator that turned an idea(s) into a working site in days not weeks or months.. - Nigel Walsh

Days? Let's throw something together, halfassed, let it go down all the time while we get it working over many years. Days would be great, but if you want something good, you can't throw it together in days. - Dean Clark

Company that makes an iPhone app for SocialMedian - Jeff Douglass via BuddyFeed

I'd like to see a mashup that would work for open networks like twitter, digg, friendfeed etc. that would allow community walls. a block would trigger a whole community to block the same person till a person within the community unblocked. open networks are dying because people don't want to comment on threads with people that they know they don't like. it could be voluntary. we would call these "Unions" and you would have to agree to be a part of one and you could always leave. - NoahDavidSimon

Some great ideas here. Really like the unified communications idea. - Gavin

How about a startup that encourages hobbies for school aged children - Anthony Farrior

or a startup/networks for artists and animation. Perhaps something that has online tools and copyright ownership. For an extra fee provide help with networking and distribution. - Anthony Farrior

or a start up like peek that provide gps and text communication between parents and kids - Anthony Farrior

or a start up for upcoming clothing designers(not tee shirt stuff) where,again, for an extra fee, networking and real store distribution is provided. - Anthony Farrior

last one, someone PLEASE make me a mobile video phone...As in "Hi yes, i can hear you and see you." - Anthony Farrior

A free 'app' that helps re-educate those displaced by the Internet / automation / tech revolution. - Charlie Anzman

Jason, this would be a great idea for a room here. You could create an identical one on socialmedian and import the RSS feed from it over here. If I have one criticism about friendfeed, it’s that so much of what is shared here, winds up in the rear view mirror, and is quickly forgotten. - Michael Fidler

I can see why you would like a location based service like the one you described. There’s something like it on the iPhone, but I tried to find the name of it on Google with no luck. Additionally a lot of information just became public which would help with such an app. I would like something along the lines of what Rob mentioned, "A unified communication platform". I have a few more ideas but I need to find some info. first. - Michael Fidler

Jason, there’s a site like the one you mentioned about user decided features also. Loic used it to decide what features to add to Twhirl. It’s called Uservoice http://bit.ly/ykT5 - Michael Fidler

We've already started a series of hyperlocal "best of Twitter" city sites like http://BreakingLANews.com. It's a grass roots initiative that provides these city templates free to community hubs and groups in each city, down to towns like Chico, CA http://ChicoBreakingNews.com. It's a unique way to propagate a new hyperlocal marketing model that, unlike sites like Topix, directly involves members of the community. - Pat Kitano

Expanding on the UC idea, I was thinking someone could write a connector for twitter that in essence links twitter to all other chat clients, ie if you tweet msn:ndwalsh then you chat with me.. Same for skype:nigelwals, icq: etc etc... The ultimate comms platform - Nigel Walsh

click sharing company - Thomas Power

An easy way to discover new websites, not content, but great websites. Check out http://www.lynki.com - Aloke Fernandes

@michaelfidler: yes, we use uservoice at XING. It's a great tool! What I'm talking about is using a tool like uservoice in a whole new way, to decide everything from the first line of code onwards. - Jason Goldberg

Hmm I work on a location based iPhone app and unfortunately the GPS is too often not accurate enough to pinpoint the building you're in but can usually narrow you down to a 100 meter area. Also we need a magnetometer on the iPhone to do any accurate pointing (but it's coming in june they say...) - Raj Advani

Raj, the other option would be to provide users a 3D map of nearby buildings so that they could use their human intelligence to find their correct location. But that might be hard to implement in an iPhone app. ;-) - Bruce Lewis

Nigel Walsh, Backtype will import all your comments on blogs to FF. FF is even smart about not duplicating your Disqus items here. - Bruce Lewis

Rob Diana: your TV-Example is exactly what http://hunch.com is all about. - Richard Metzler

Haha Bruce I was going to say wait a minute... - Raj Advani

I like Thomas Hawk's idea of starting a company to comb through old game shows and then selling the DVDs at outrageous markups to the original contestants or their family. http://thomashawk.com/2005... - Davis Freeberg

"Location based aggregated travel info" => Nokia Maps & Lonely Planet: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas Amberg

One of my weird ideas: Create a User Profile Management Site that allows users to create / update a common "User profile" (could have multiple "personality" profiles - work, personal, family, etc). The profile site updates would push out to a gazillion other sites and update user profile settings with each update. API adoption by a number of other apps is a must, obviously. The idea... more... - Susan Beebe

Distributed Indexing (Search Engine, Classifieds, Auctions, Real Estate) Like MLS for web directories / search engines. - Matt Robson

@Susan I've been thinking of something like that for a while. - Gavin

@Susan, @Gavin something like chi.mp maybe? - Dragos Ilinca

Do we really need another 100 startups? I'd rather see one or two excellent startups come through and form their place on the web then seeing 100 coming through and all burning. Some of the ideas listed are pretty interesting and it would be cool if some of them were implemented although I'd like to see a few of the ideas merged together to see a more feature rich and useful service for users. - Nicholas James

I'd really appreciate some feed back on the idea I stated above. I think it addresses a very serious issue in making "open" networks acceptable to the mainstream. I'd really like to hear from some tech people if it is feasible: making open networks acceptable for more people http://ff.im/3i7y9 - NoahDavidSimon

Coin-based economy for kids to help them skirt the issue entirely of having to ask parents for their credit card to play online games. Coins are kid money (and their parents nuisance money). Let's get coin value translated to online money and watch the revenue pour in. - scott epstein

I want an app that will accurately predict the closing price of the Dow for any given day in the future. I know it’s not realistic, just call me a dreamer. - Michael Fidler

Jason, I was thinking about your idea today, and that would be an interesting experiment. You could call it Tabula rasa. It’s definitely worth trying. - Michael Fidler

I had this startup-idea: http://prezi.com/20331/view/ but I droped it. Now I have another one: 1. Start a communities for science & business topics, 2. provide Conference-Life-Streams with Twitter-Comments as usp like this: http://www.ustream.tv/channel..., 3. Provide further information like news, topic-monitoring (twitter), publications-research, 4. Track the use... more... - www.louis-e.de

oh, it's a bit similar to social median, I see ;-) Didn't know that before, sorry. But I can't find info-portals with meme-tracking-technique there. And no conference-streaming. So will built your competitor, haha... - www.louis-e.de

Just in case people really liked the "unified communications platform" idea, I believe it is now called Wave, from Google (http://wave.google.com/). - Rob Diana

Nother idea for startup: when riding public transport, service sends notification when friends are on the same train/bus etc. - André Gallinat

You were right on the money, Rob. Nice Job! - Michael Fidler

A Google Wave app that integrates with Google Health to provide real-time healthcare between Payers and Providers - Jesse Stay

Christian Anderson

Re: iPhone 3-Way Calling (Merge Calls) - http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...

May 26 from Disqus - Comment - Like - Share

"That is great news! Glad it worked. 3-way calling on the iPhone is great -- especially when it works." - Christian Anderson

Robert Scoble

I thought friendfeed would be the biggest threat to Twitter but I now see it's Seesmic Desktop. Come here and we'll discover why:

May 23 - Comment - Like - Share

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1. It has list management like friendfeed has. Twitter doesn't. - Robert Scoble

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2. It lets you display both Facebook and Twitter messages. - Robert Scoble

3. It lets you search both Facebook and Twitter messages. - Robert Scoble

4. It displays them all better than Twitter does. - Robert Scoble

5. Friendfeed Support in the works. - James Fuller

6. It lets you comment on Facebook postings - Lee Herman

it sucks all the memory out of my machine. performance suffers. I want to like it. I don't. - Karoli

5. Seesmic desktop (and TweetDeck, which really does most of the same stuff that Seesmic Desktop does) does DM's better than Twitter or Facebook do. - Robert Scoble

Are you arguing that a 3rd party twitter application is a threat to twitter? - Frankie Warren

Karoli: I don't care. I run it on its own machine. It can suck all the memory it wants! - Robert Scoble

Frankie: I can see a case for that, yes. - Robert Scoble

It makes it easy to mark spammers. - James Fuller

6. What happens when you add all your data into Seesmic Desktop and Twitter is down? Oh, move over to Seesmic's own service! - Robert Scoble

Robert, I don't have that luxury. Plus, it's still a client. How can it threaten Twitter when it needs twitter.? - Karoli

6B: Twinkle on iPhone already does exactly that. Tweetie has 200,000 plus members who DO NOT NEED TWITTER ANYMORE!!! Update I origionally said Tweetie but it is Twinkle that has its own database. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

Karoli: It isn't exclusive to Twitter. - James Fuller

A twitter client threatens the existence of twitter?! - Joshua Lee

Karoli: look at Twinkle. They show the way. They have 200,000 people who are on their own service now, even though most of them think they are only on Twitter. - Robert Scoble

Only thing that is a threat to Twitter, is Twitter. - Fake Elmo

I use tweetie. They still rely on twitter's firehose. - Karoli

Including myself... haha care to elaborate Robert about tweetie - Frankie Warren

Karoli: wrong. I was just at their headquarters and Tweetie has its own database and can send messages EVEN WHEN TWITTER IS DOWN!!! - Robert Scoble

Karoli: Tweetie has two databases for each member. One for Twitter. One for its own back end. - Robert Scoble

robert, to everyone on my twitter lists, including those NOT using tweetie? - Karoli

Karoli: no, not to everyone. Right. - Robert Scoble

I really *really* wish they would fix it so we can resize the main display panel .. it is really irritating to see it "squished" while the other panels are resizable - Steven Hodson

Karoli: but what happens when all your friends are on Tweetie or Seesmic Desktop? Will you care anymore? - Robert Scoble

I agree with joshua, these are clients, they don't live without the parent service. I don't see how seesmic desktop threatens twitter. - Nitin Gupta

Stop exposing the secrets of us Twitter developers Robert - you're ruining the plan! - Jesse Stay

Jesse: sorry. When you all pay me something I'll shut up. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, that's my point. There is interdependence here. All my friends will not be on one or the other. Blackberry users will use Twitterberry. Twittelator is a player here too. I couldn't give a rip about Facebook -- it's one of those necessary evils i have to have but hate. - Karoli

Robert: Does Seesmic do the same thing as Tweetie in terms of redundancy? - Frankie Warren

Nitin: if I got everyone in the world to use Seesmic Desktop why will we need Twitter? Not to mention, why will you pay for "pro" version of Twitter or look at any of its advertising? - Robert Scoble

Interesting. I said the same thing about tweetie desktop and friendfeed - Christian Anderson

AIR apps are a mess, but from an HCI point of view, and from a technical point of view. Native apps please. Tweetie is wonderful. - Jason Wehmhoener

Oooh - I can buy Robert out? ;-) More to my plan for world domination... - Jesse Stay

Jason... yes, native apps, OR web apps. - Logical Extremes

You're not going to make everyone use Seesmic Desktop, you'll pry Nambu from my cold dead fingers. - Joshua Lee

Karoli: I think it's funny you write off Facebook. Looking at the two streams side by side Facebook's is a lot better. There are far better quality people on Facebook in my account than there are on Twitter for the most part. Plus on Facebook there are 225 million. On Twitter? 30 million. - Robert Scoble

You could twitpay Robert a buck to buy his silence. - Louis Gray

Robert, your enthusiasm is infectious, but the hyperbole is still a little on the high side...I think Tweetie is an excellent app. I like Loic and Seesmic desktop but won't use it. I use Tweetie for my desktop app now, and it still needs some tweaking. - Karoli

Robert, I don't write it off. I just hate it. - Karoli

Joshua: what if Nambu, Seesmic Desktop, Tweetie, and TweetDeck made their own database? - Robert Scoble

For me, in terms of signal, FriendFeed trumps Facebook which trumps Twitter. - Louis Gray

Sounds more like someone doesn't like twitter very much. - Mac Sharp

I agree with Jason. AIR apps look so unnatural. Usability is nil - Bogdan Costea

The first thing I would do to Facebook is nuke the frackin' IQ app. - Karoli

Friendfeed is excellent in a browser, but Twitter is awful on the web. Twitter really needs Tweetie. - Jason Wehmhoener

Karoli: hyperbole is what gets people to engage and think differently. - Robert Scoble

I don't suppose Seesmic's secret plan might happen to involve an open alternative to Twitter on the back end, would it? If it's a threat to Twitter in that it allows people to use Twitter, Facebook, or FriendFeed interchangeably as a back end protocol...sure... yeah... I can see that. If the idea is Seesmic could swap out their own network? Bah. Don't buy it. - Ken Sheppardson

Robert, as long as we're clear on the motive, I'm good. - Karoli

Come on...no. Tweetdeck is so much better... - Ryo

But after all,it is just a client for Twitter and Facebook. - Steve Chou via IM

Tweetie is practically the only reason I even feel bad about leaving Twitter - James Poling

for Windows users bDule is looking to be a serious contender .. still needs work but like Seesmic Desktop it's an alpha - Steven Hodson

Ryo: have you tried the new Seesmic? I like it as much as Tweetdeck at minimum. - Robert Scoble

I have moved from TweetDeck to Seesmic Desktop. I am here on FriendFeed, just b/c you invited me to come discuss :) Also, did anyone using SDT notice that you can set up numerous active search columns and you don't hit API limits. thinking that TD used API count for everything from Profile view to search columns? Don't quote me, I'm drinking. LOL. - Zane Aveton

Zane: heheh! - Robert Scoble

Louis, done - Robert, $1 your way via Twitpay and Amazon Payments ;-) - Jesse Stay

7. It let's you give up all your system resources in a single bound. - Rahsheen ™

James: there's a new version of Tweetie coming. - Robert Scoble

i learn so much from being on friendfeed and reading all these brilliant threads! thank u scoble! - Jason Pollock

I think it's funny how people are writing Seesmic Desktop off as just a Twitter client. It's set up to be so much more all you have to do is look at everything Twhirl had built into it. Freindfeed, Laconi.ca, Seesmic, Twitter, and Identi.ca. It wouldn't be to hard to create a redundant system for it using Laconi.ca. - James Fuller

James: and the real battle will be over search. Imagine what Seesmic Desktop can do with comparative searches between Facebook, Twitter, Friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Rahsheen ++++ - Karoli

Has anyone tried PeopleBrowsr ? - Zane Aveton

YES LOVE SEESMIC DESKTOP! B U T ...... it does take a WHOPPING amount of memory for such a small app... at present, I have a dual core 4gb RAM PC... and Seesmic desktop is taking: 98,456k ... actually more than OUTLOOK and EXPRESSION WEB! so... it is good, but maybe this is an Adobe AIR thing of course rather than Seesmic... hey lets face it, Adobe hardly have compact low memory code do they? like the idea.. but because of the memory, cannot justify using it. - David Sheardown

James: exactly. Zane I like PeopleBrowsr too. - Robert Scoble

i still think that all this talk of the next thing that everyone will move to is a bit premature... twitter will continue to dominate for some time - Jason Pollock

Scoble: are you inferring that it will support friendfeed? - James Poling

But if twitter is down,those clients can do nothing - Steve Chou

James: Loic says that friendfeed support is coming to Seesmic Desktop. I'll keep bugging him until he does it anyway. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I can't agree more. I'm still using Twhirl for it's filter feature. I can filter my stream so nicely with it to extract data I want. - James Fuller

the general public is still getting used to twitter.. us geeks can talk about the next thing until we're blue in the face but its going to be all about twitter for a while and I think we all know it:) - Jason Pollock

Jason: don't be so sure. Remember a few years ago MySpace was on top of the world. Twitter will probably pass MySpace next year. - Robert Scoble

To get back to your thesis, the only thing that can kill Twitter is Twitter. - Christian Anderson

Robert, yes. and it lacks of some features I need, and Tweetdeck is more logical to me in terms of GUI. - Ryo

A client is redundant if the service(s) no longer exist! That is like a "chicken or the egg" discussion. - Allan Besselink

Robert: Told him to make a better user interface by the way,I still don't like Seesmic too much. - Steve Chou

Robert: I can't wait to see how Loic integrates it into SD. It's much more complicated to fit into that platform than Twhirl's. - James Fuller

Robert: i agree that it will be a few years tho.. and by the time twitter is on the decline who knows what will be out by then! - Jason Pollock

Jason: the general public is going to start seeing that search is very important for them to find people talking about things they care about. I can see a world where Seesmic's search will be better than even friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

I tried seesmic desktop for a view minutes but it was so not intuitive that I quit trying it. - rick

Loic ignores serious usability issues. I'm not optimistic for him. - Jason Wehmhoener

Twitter is indeed becoming more popular, I saw a feature on network news about it. If something like twitter is noticed by mainstream media, it's already passed the threshold of being not just for geeks long ago. - Joshua Lee

Jason: Seesmic Desktop is much more usable than it used to be. - Robert Scoble

I just installed the latest version - Jason Wehmhoener

same mess - Jason Wehmhoener

Lets say all the twitter clients work together to build a common database in laconi.ca.. Will we still need twitter? - Varun "Maverick" Pitale

PeopleBrowsr seems quite unintuitive to me. - Chuck Baggett

robert: i agree that real-time search is the the wave of the future and it is the reason that twitter is so dominant right now... too bad the twitter search is always down.. lol.. im definitely going to download the new seesmic right now tho!:) - Jason Pollock

I'm not sure why adobe air twitter apps are so popular, native apps are much more usable and use less resources. - Joshua Lee

Robert: track is the key. - Karoli

Robert, don't all these sources just scream out for common interface pipes? Isn't that the key? Seems like we'll see more and more Tweetdecks, Seesmics, FF, FB Thwirls and Tweeties, all of which will have their pluses, but they all gotta' pass data and interact, like multiple networking protocols going thru a router...right? - Michael Metz

Twitter has a history of killing it's most popular features. How long until they kill real-time search? - Christian Anderson

Karoli: track is coming. - Robert Scoble

If I hear "track" one more time I'm going to scream - Jesse Stay

Christian: they won't kill realtime search. It's the only way they have of monitising twitter. - Joshua Lee

/me passes Jesse some Valium - Steven Hodson

I have track - it's called TweetBeep - Jesse Stay

Christian: I think they already did ;) try searching for something you've said recently. - Frankie Warren

Jesse: track, track TRACK - Karoli

Karoli can I twitpay you a dollar as well? - Jesse Stay

Christian: Frankie is right. Twitter's search is horrid. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic Desktop is getting more friendly on system resources with each build - now it will run for days with the very small increase in memory over time - Mike Taylor

Twitter is technically mediocre in general, it proves that if you have a good concept, the technical execution is secondary. Unfortunately. - Joshua Lee

Jesse, sure. :) - Karoli

I seriously doubt that Seesmic Desktop is going to kill Twitter. Besides the people talking on here now, how many people even know what Adobe AIR is? Or what Seesmic is? Look how slow people were to find out about Twitter. I am pulling for FriendFeed:) - Shawn Hickman

I still am a little lost... what do these companies gain by building their own phantom networks behind twitter? It's not like they can just flip the switch off on twitter and expect to keep their users. As it stands, twitter is the only thing that links all these different clients. - Frankie Warren

I love Friendfeed, but i admit...i do not like the name. :) - Karoli

I actually just switched to it today. Though I wish they would do some interface tweaks, but I'm sure they will over time. Able to move the tweetbox around, and be able to take the menu on the right and make it tabs on the top. Just simplify it a bit. - Dean Clark

Joshua: the most important thing about social networks is "are the people I want to follow on it?" Nothing else really matters that much. But once they are, watch the tide move. - Robert Scoble

Shawn: I agree with you, I tried to tell my sister, who just joined twitter, to use a client. She emailed me back like I was some kind of geek! (Well, I am.) - Joshua Lee

our goal isn't to "kill" Twitter with Seesmic Desktop - but rather to allow you to read/use Twitter along side other sources - Mike Taylor

Search is pretty broken right now. when they have trouble scaling, they just kill off whatever functionality is holding them up. Twitter may just become email at some point in the near future. - Christian Anderson

Twitter is getting easier and easier by the day to compete with - look at us here on FriendFeed. We're not talking about it on Twitter. - Jesse Stay

Web Apps are the future, downloading will become a thing of the past - Shawn Hickman

Christian, e-mail is more reliable than Twitter - please no - Jesse Stay

The big thing slowing down FriendFeed integration is their own API (note: that's my personal opinion and not my bosses :) - Mike Taylor

Frankie, I can see some real advantages to building a phantom network behind Twitter. Starting with not having to rely on Twitter and the somewhat arrogant heads of Twitter who do not give a rip about their users. - Karoli

Mike: actually the friendfeed team itself told me that. They know they need to simplify the API. I wonder when we'll see that? - Robert Scoble

Mike, from what I've seen FriendFeed's API is actually more advanced than Twitter's. It's just missing one or two crucial methods. - Jesse Stay

Christian: Yes, Twitter search is dead. Currently hours missing off the top and after 18 days everything disappears. It's a horrible situation for them. - James Fuller

robert: hopefully very soon - there is a lot of movement to happen when that appears - Mike Taylor

I can't tell Twitter to only give me certain pieces of data from a user's profile, for instance. I can do that with FriendFeed. They're much more prepared for API scalability than Twitter is, even now. - Jesse Stay

Mike: what do you do at Seesmic? - Robert Scoble

robert: ops, messaging (xmpp), infrastructure - Mike Taylor

Mike: awesome. I can't wait until you have friendfeed. That will seal the deal for you guys. Then it's just going to be a race to see who builds the best search display. - Robert Scoble

robert: (again my personal opinion on SD - I'm a user like you all in this regard) I agree, it's the ability to see and manipulate the various streams that is killer, so not having FF is the pink elephant in the room - Mike Taylor

mentions of 'compete'/'kill' in certain contexts in the comments here sounds kind of petty, encouraging some backwards cut-throat sadomasichism. web 2.0's focus on social networks has facets of co-existence and is mutually beneficial in complementing services. everybody is not necessarily out to kill each other, imo. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Karoli... they would still have to rely on twitter right? Things will get crazy confusing if the applications cant talk to each other. Imagine if verizon phones couldnt call cingular phones and you had to worry about who had what handset... thats where theres a problem with having a Seesmic Network, a Tweetie network etc. EDIT: woah i just said cingular haha - Frankie Warren

blackfeathers: whenever you see me use the word "kill" it means to take over the momentum. - Robert Scoble

Yes, Twitter is broken. We were all here a year ago when Twitter's uptime was like 50%. Still, we stayed. Why? Because the people we wanted t follow were there. And people like Jesse were buuling kick ass sticky apps. I don't see that changing. - Christian Anderson

Being able to use the local twitter search to see tweets within however many miles of a location would be nice *hint* *hint* *hint* That seems to be a part of twitter search many air apps still don't support. - Dean Clark

Christian: me neither. Although there's a new usage model that is in play that Twitter has not locked up. Especially around search and zeitgeist display. - Robert Scoble

Christian - thanks for the compliment. Not sure what you mean by sticky though. - Jesse Stay

Jesse: once you start using SocialToo you can't stop. - Robert Scoble

Dean: Local search would be the shit. It really needs to be implemented - Shawn Hickman

Let's make a rule right now. Kill = lose momentum leader status. That is what we mean when we say "kill" - Christian Anderson

Jesse: that's sticky. I call Facebook "velcro" because it has so much sticking power and lots of little hooks that lock you in. - Robert Scoble

@Mike Taylor .. can we *please* be able to resize the main display panel .. PLEASE - Steven Hodson

I thought FriendFeed was kind of meh, I didn't realize it had this realtime comment feature. I'll have to use it more often. - Joshua Lee

Robert: Unless you're me. I cannot abide all those little sticky velcro stupid things. - Karoli

Joshua: there's a lot of things in friendfeed that lots of Twitterers have no clue about. - Robert Scoble

Ah - thanks again then Christian - that's quite a compliment! We won't be supporting just Twitter for long though, although if Twitter keeps breaking it keeps giving us new things to do to fix it. :-( - Jesse Stay

Steven: trust me, I have my own list of UI issues that I remind the SD devs of weekly ;) - Mike Taylor

Karoli: oh, really? So if someone tags you in a photo on Facebook you don't look? - Robert Scoble

Not that I underestimate FB. I don't. It's why I have a presence there. I just HATE. IT. - Karoli

@Mike Taylor .. well at least I know I'm not alone then :) - Steven Hodson

Robert, no...I'm the chick behind the camera - Karoli

I just don't believe in support applications that are unnecessarily hogs as far as memory goes. Yes AIR apps tend to be on the larger size, but look at DestroyTwitter. John Hallman manages to get his AIR client to consume less than 70MB of memory. - Alex Knight

Karoli: you're a better man than I am then. :-) - Robert Scoble

Steven: also, if you twitter to @seesmic - our customer team tracks all of the suggestions and gets them to the UI Devs - Mike Taylor

Mike: you should open a friendfeed room, too. It's even better than Twittering @seesmic. - Robert Scoble

Mike: I have a suggestion, make it look more native on OS X. We Mac users are interface consistency geeks. - Joshua Lee

Alex - one of the things that bit all of the Air devs in the ass recently was the memory leak caused by the xml parser IIRC - now that was a fun one - Mike Taylor

have not try the seesmic desktop... They are the best if they manage to serve local context too.. (Twitter & Friendfeed, not the 3rd party) - Pico Seno

They just did. The Mac buttons are now in their standard place on top of the window left. - Robin Good

Joshua - they are already doing that in small increments - notice the window chrome items changes recently - Mike Taylor

I'll have to take another look, especially if you add friendfeed. - Joshua Lee

Robert - If our customer support guy hasn't already I will make sure he does - Mike Taylor

I'm a TweetDeck fan, despite the memory suck on my computer. Tweetie is nice on the iPhone, like new Twitterrific better. Seesmic desktop and Tweetie desktop are just OK. - Geoff Peterson

Robert, love your velcro example - thanks for the clarification - Jesse Stay

Mike: cool, I just added you to my secret group for discussing the 2010web. - Robert Scoble

robert: wow - thanks - Mike Taylor

Wild 164 comments in 32 minutes. I guess I touched a nerve. - Robert Scoble

You bet, Jesse. You and your app building Ilk have played a huge part in making Twitter what it is today. - Christian Anderson

Robert: either that or you trolled a bit, in a positive way. ;-) - Joshua Lee

Scoble: at the risk of sounding presumptuous can I join in on that 2010web conversation? - James Poling

Joshua: I was mostly trolling Loic who hasn't shown up yet, which makes it even funnier. - Robert Scoble

lol secret group... you know how to work this stuff ;) - Frankie Warren

Robert - that's why i popped in - I know he is doing some family stuff so he's offline right now - Mike Taylor

Frankie and Joshua: soon, soon! - Robert Scoble

Frankie: it has to be an elite group in order for 2010web to become a buzzword, from clique to chic. It's the new pardigm. ;-) - Joshua Lee

Mike, I hear a blank AIR app sucks up 20MB. If that's true Adobe has some work to do. - Alex Knight

Joshua: I hated the name "Web 2.0" and am trying to head off the next thing being called "Web 3.0." - Robert Scoble

Alex - yep - your preaching to the choir on that one :) - Mike Taylor

Yeah, we don't need x.0 - definitely. - Joshua Lee

2010web .. hmmmm - Steven Hodson

Mike: thanks for filling in for Loic. His ears must be burning, or will be soon. - Robert Scoble

i like it (2010 web) just because of the Arthur C Clarke memories it brings up - Mike Taylor

Robert 2010web is too soon you should have gone with 2013web, just past the apocalypse. - James Fuller

2010web sounds interesting, but it limits the buzzword for one year. - Joshua Lee

Getting to the topic at hand, how is a Twitter client a threat to Twitter? - Alex Knight

hey lets start a 2011 web secret place:) - Michael Metz

yes thanks Mike and if you open a Friendfeed room add me in please - Steven Hodson

James: I disagree. Most businesses have sites that look like 1994 so 2010 will be very useable for a long time. - Robert Scoble

good point Robert - Steven Hodson

Plus, I always hated the version numbers because the Web doesn't have a version. it's more fashion, like cars. - Robert Scoble

Well im late (in the half hr this has been posted), but i will say that which ever client has the most interesting and frequent updates will prevail, so this debate could go on and on - Chris Nwakalo

And it upgrades constantly. - Robert Scoble

Alex: because these clients secretly piggyback and make their own redundant networks that some think will be able to free the clients of their dependency on twitter. (did i get that right? ;)) - Frankie Warren

Nambu updates fairly frequently. :-) - Joshua Lee

Hey, Robert - it's Yama - I'll be starting a friendfeed room in a bit, but loving the stream here - jyamasaki

I'm trying to get businesses to see that if they are using the 1994 web they'll look pretty lame if their competitors are using the 2010 one. - Robert Scoble

yes. Real-time web might be akin to cold fusion. Guesing vertical and local are the next waves on the web. - Christian Anderson

Anyway, that's all off topic, back to Seesmic and TweetDeck and Tweetie and all the rest. If they all worked together they could totally take away Twitter's air supply. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is definitely on the cusp of something massive. I'm afraid their infrastructure will quickly crumble though. They haven't even figured out a way to make money yet. - Alex Knight

i kind of agree w/ james fuller. there's something too gimmicky w/ all the symmetric number schemes up to 12-12-12 - just for the sake of removing oneself from it, 2013 makes sense to me as a new starting point. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

I find it interesting that many people are willing to pay or donate to developers making Twitter clients. No one donates to Twitter heh. - Alex Knight

blackfeathers: if you are appealing to early adopters and developers you are probably right. I'm trying to appeal to normal business people. They understand that the 2010 automobiles are just now shipping (my 2010 Prius should be here next week) and so if they want to get a modern web site they will understand that they need 2010web technologies. 2013 is too esoteric and future thinking for normal people. - Robert Scoble

Considering how long from the infamous O'Reilly web 2.0 conference to it becoming a popular buzzword web 2.0 became, maybe 2010 is a bit too soon in the future. I'm not sure why I'm trying to help with this buzzword though, considering how much I hate them. :-) - Joshua Lee

Robert: How would the clients make it clear what networks you're talking to and who actually is able to see your content? For example, If Joe is Twitter+Seesmic and I'm Twitter+Tweetie.... when twitter goes down I can no longer speak to joe... - Frankie Warren

Alex: that's because Twitter treats us like crap and has $30 million in the bank. - Robert Scoble

Loic is well positioned to win because he has an honest to God team working on this. They got in early and they've kept a break-neck innovation pace. - Christian Anderson

Twitter is a platform, Friendfeed and Tweetdeck are apps. Well , Twitter does have a native app, but it sucks big time. I think it's a matter of months that the mainstream twitter users will realize that and there will be a huge explosion in twitter apps usage. - Kirill Bolgarov

Frankie - that's a routing-around-failure problem that is keeping me up at night to be honest - when I think of what will be needed to do that - Mike Taylor

Ok, I have to go to bed. One last though before I go, one of the reasons Seesmic Desktop is huge is because it pulls your virtual social life back into one location that can exist on you desktop, and makes it easy to manage from it's interface. - James Fuller

its no threat at all - as twitter knows perfectly well, the Platform is everything! Seesmic isn't the platform and never can be as its desktop based - Anthony Feint

Yeh, that was abit offtopic - Kirill Bolgarov

Frankie: in Seesmic Desktop I can tell which Window is showing me Facebook and which one is showing me Twitter. Why couldn't I be shown that I can have more features with other people who are on Seesmic Desktop? - Robert Scoble

Oh suuure Scoble, get me on Friend Feed and already you've declared it passe? - Brett Schulte

Robert - They should spend the $29 million on their infrastructure and leave the last million to pay salaries :P - Alex Knight

Robert, is there a way to do a date range search in FF? - Gary Gannon

Brett: heheh. There's a method to my madness. When I started getting into friendfeed Twitter took off. So, I figured I better find the next big thing so friendfeed could take off. Seesmic Desktop is it! - Robert Scoble

Alex: I hear the team already took a lot off the table. - Robert Scoble

Alex: that's why the management isn't in a big hurry to sell Twitter. They already have "FU money." - Robert Scoble

Gogii is the next Twitter according to @drew... I like it. - Brett Schulte

I still don't think an app could be the next big thing,after all platform rules. - Steve Chou

Brett: hmmm. Why? - Robert Scoble

Mike: do you see like Robert in that you can make a separate network that acts as a Twitter+ - Frankie Warren

Steve: Seesmic Desktop IS a platform. - Robert Scoble

In all honesty it's easy to bash Twitter's infrastructure when you aren't in their shoes. I know our own company has gone through a ton of growing pains in the past 14 years. - Alex Knight

Alex: Twitter was crashing when I had 1,000 followers. It's always sucked. - Robert Scoble

Blackfeather: I'm glad you like the idea, but now I'm seeing Robert's point. The 2010web is constantly changing just like model years. You want to release next years big thing now. - James Fuller

Gogii is SMS based and more universal, and allows custom groups. - Brett Schulte

Frankie - I can't say to be honest one way or the other - Mike Taylor

I remember about 2 months that Twitter wasn't crashing in some form or another, when I first started using it - Jesse Stay

Ff on the iPhone is not handling this string very well. - Christian Anderson

Mike: Tweetie is using its network of 200,000 people to do lots of interesting things and will be doing more when they roll out their new version. - Robert Scoble

This is the problem with FriendFeed... 200+ comments from one post. There needs to be a way to flag comments from different users in different ways. - Jay McCormack

Back in the ole days of twitter when you had to walk 15 miles in the snow, barefoot, in order to tweet... - Dean Clark

Mike: it'd be interesting to see if you guys choose to make your own database to add even more features. Like location and better search and "offline availability" for when Twitter is down. - Robert Scoble

i don't know why exactly -perhaps it was the pager days- that makes me see it as yesterday. i skip sms if i can help it. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

robert - understood - I just can't say or comment on anything we are planning or not planning - loic and marco would personally come stomp me into a furry puddle ;) - Mike Taylor

You're right Robert, shit programming is shit programming. It's no excuse to not plan/develop scalable infrastructure. Our company is suffering now because all of our internal systems were writing 14 years ago by a bunch of n00bs. - Alex Knight

Jay: I don't see this as a problem. I see it as a benefit. - Shawn Hickman

Robert: I'm sure you're not at liberty to say.... but it seems counter productive that seesmic and tweetie race to get an install base of twitter clients to have their own network gain a critical mass... shouldnt they work together :) Or am I being naive again - Frankie Warren

Am I the only one that would like to see threaded comments or would that get way too messy? - James Poling

Seesmic was interesting but I just can't stand listening to the French guy. - Brett Schulte

Frankie: I wish they would work together. - Robert Scoble

Brett: heheheh. That's Loic. - Robert Scoble

brett - well, you can listen to the German guy if you want - he's the Seesmic Desktop lead - Mike Taylor

FWIW, I love Tiny Twitter on my Blackberry. So much nicer than Twitter Berry - ursi

Robert: He really should get a spokesman people can understand. - Brett Schulte

@James .. threaded comments FTW! - Steven Hodson

James: threaded comments would be fun here. I'd love to add graphics and video in here too, but it sure would get messy. - Robert Scoble

Just say it, Robert. As a former Microsoft employee, you should be able to explain to everyone in three little words how Seesmic Desktop/Tweetie/insert_thirdparty_app_here can successfully kill Twitter should it gain a critical mass of users: "EMBRACE. AND. EXTEND." I'm 26 and even I remember the browser wars. Seriously. Scoble's right on this one. - Andrew Feinberg

+ for threaded comments, this is hard to follow. Friendfeed should add to their UI and it should highlight comments that mention you. - Alex Knight

"Even I remember the browser wars" - feeling ancient. - Brett Schulte

james fuller: considering the target audience & the purpose then it would make sense currently. perhaps i'm thinking of time in a scalable sense of passage. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Andrew: yes, embrace and extend. Tweetie showed me the light. Seesmic is doing similar things with Facebook and Twitter (I have groups in Seesmic Desktop). - Robert Scoble

I wish there was a button for commenting at the very bottom of this post. I don't like scrolling back up to comment. - James Fuller

Alex: follow? Just click the time stamp and stare at the screen! - Robert Scoble

Nobody remember the losers. - Steve Chou

James: if you click the time stamp it will open a new window up where the comment window will be at the bottom. - Robert Scoble

James: pop out the window via the time stamp? - Frankie Warren

Didn't you use to be big on Twitter Scoble? :) - Brett Schulte

Robert: Thank you this is so much better. - James Fuller

@Brett you should see the crowds he draws in Japan - Andrew Feinberg

@Brett he used to be big on Facebook too :) - Steven Hodson

Brett: a very large PR firm told me I have a more engaged audience than Oprah. So, who said I'm still not big on Twitter? - Robert Scoble

Steven: He's not still big on Facebook? Could've fooled me. - Karoli

Brett: It gave birth to this chaos. - Frankie Warren

Does anyone think Twitter buying out one of the big Twitter client products would be good for them? - Alex Knight

Alex: that would be stupid for a platform company to do. - Robert Scoble

Alex - even better, Facebook buying out one of the big Twitter clients - Jesse Stay

@Alex: No. They can barely keep up with their own internal architecture. - Andrew Feinberg

I think Twitter's plan is to offer premium features like advanced search, tracking, analytics, and bringing back the @ replies everyone complained about recently. They won't give this all away for free. - Geoff Peterson

Alex: Twitter effectively killed all tiny URL innovation by partnering with bit.ly. - Robert Scoble

Alex: I think they need to be bought - Shawn Hickman

Robert I think you said it right there - the only way to truly compete with Twitter as a Twitter developer is to become Twitter - Jesse Stay

Shawn: but the minute Twitter buys one the other companies know it's over and they'll move their code to a different system. - Robert Scoble

Do they have a written partnership with bit.ly or did they just switch due to analytics? - Dean Clark

Robert you coming down for e3? - Brett Schulte

Dean: from what I understand it's a written partnership. Bit.ly is even on the same datacenter as Twitter is now. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: is that like the scene in Highlander where Sean Connery teaches Christopher Lambert to "Feel the stag..."? - Andrew Feinberg

Brett: I doubt it. - Robert Scoble

Sure, someone should buy Twitter but who? I would say what Twitter is doing right now would be a good fit for Google. - Alex Knight

Andrew, something like that, yeah :-) - Jesse Stay

Robert: Agreed, but I meant I think they should be bought by another company - Shawn Hickman

Alex: I talked with Twitter investor Fred Wilson on Thursday. He said that Ev really is adverse to selling. - Robert Scoble

Ok call me a newbie, but why would it be a bad thing for Twitter to purchase atebits (tweetie)? Wouldn't that just be like hiring people to make their own client? Or is that bad because Twitter should only be focusing on Twitter, and not clients for Twitter? - Colin

Robert, to your point about search, I would offer this: Even a powerful search isn't enough. There has to be filters. Tracking my name even gives wonky results without filters. - Karoli

So is Twitter's revenue plan to slowly remove the most popular features and then start selling them back to people? - James Poling

Ok, interesting. Yeah written partnership would certainly kill some people trying to innovate. Few out of work people I think will give you different things a try though, certainly won't be see as widely though since short links are a mainstream feature now. - Dean Clark

I heard Robert is buying Twitter - Jesse Stay

wow, it's been a while since I've been in such a fun tech discussion. I've missed you, FriendFeed! - Andrew Feinberg

No, Twitter bought Robert. ;) - Brett Schulte

Karoli: search is equal to filters in my mind. - Robert Scoble

Robert - EV may not want to sell Twitter, but it may have to happen in the not so distant future. We'll see though. - Alex Knight

The obvious choice would be google to purchase Twitter, but I'm sure others could work well too - Shawn Hickman

it's also possible for another company going down to buy twitter for its upward momentum, but maybe not likely. - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

Brett, no, I just bought Robert - did you see my Twitpay? - Jesse Stay

I bought his puppet, too - Jesse Stay

@James: there was no plan. that would acknowledge they added features knowing they'd be popular, and therefore would have built them better. - Andrew Feinberg

Alex: Ev doesn't have to sell. What's forcing him to sell? I don't see it. - Robert Scoble

Andrew: friendfeed is fun once in a while when you get a topic that rocks and rolls like this one. - Robert Scoble

Seesmic Desktop is Dead - Bwana

Andrew: but the real power in friendfeed is in the real time search engine here. - Robert Scoble

Robert - Nothing at all... but the future is untold. He may not have to sell now but it may become a good move in the future. - Alex Knight

Haha Bwana! - invariant

LOL @Bwana - Alex Knight

I heard Google is buying Seesmic Desktop - Jesse Stay

Bwana makes me laugh. - Robert Scoble

i do like the search engine. I use it to track current event reactions. I just rarely get engaged. - Andrew Feinberg

Jesse NOW THAT would be interesting! - Robert Scoble

I just heard a rim shot coming from Bwana - Alex Knight

You heard it hear first (might as well claim it) - Jesse Stay

ergo seesmic desktop is the new rss? lol - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

bwana - any more lebron pain for you tonight? - Mike Taylor

Robert: Conversation you can see is the real power of FriendFeed. Not the disjointed conversation on Twitter. - Geoff Peterson

Maybe FriendFeed should buy Twitter or the other way around - Shawn Hickman

So how does Seesmic make money... or does it not? - Colin

Tweetie is making money. - Colin

Why don't we all just pitch in and buy them both. How many users between the two? - Jesse Stay

Colin - Seesmic desktop makes money from other services I believe. - Alex Knight

Colin: sell a pro version. I'd pay for a version that had friendfeed integration, for instance. - Robert Scoble

@Jesse. Nice bring me in as an investor - Christian Anderson

bear - no, I'm somewhat over it...until I turn the TV on - Bwana

Christian, might still be expensive at what it seems Twitter's asking for - Jesse Stay

well, I'm off to bed. This was fun, see ya in the morning! - Robert Scoble

I heard the LDS church is buying the LHC from CERN and using it to go back in time so they can buy Twitter, add everyone's tweets to their genealogical databases and use that to target ads better than google, AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD AHAHAHAHAHA. Right, Jesse? :-) - Andrew Feinberg

Seesmic desktop runs on AIR. I refuse to use it for that reason. - nick

Robert I thought you were going to kill Gilmore - you got pretty hot. - Brett Schulte

Robert: the average person does not equate search/track/filters . Look at Google usage for examples - Karoli

Colin - I paid for my Tweetie licence but also donated $18 to DestroyTwitter. Love supporting great developers. - Alex Knight

Andrew, I think my head just exploded - Jesse Stay

Brett: he can't kill Gillmor. Two would pop up to take his place. - Andrew Feinberg

hahahaha - Brett Schulte

Good night. 330 comments. Wild. - Robert Scoble

Way to be Alex, this stuff isn't free to make. - Colin

@Jesse: so you don't deny it? :-) - Andrew Feinberg

fun discussion. The pug insists I leave it. Good night all. - Karoli

Good night - happy weekend! - Brett Schulte

Andrew, that one I'll let you make your own conclusions on :-) - Jesse Stay

(I somehow forgot to work Louis Gray into the conspiracy. But we all know he's there. The question is who will play him in the movie starring Tom Hanks as Ev and Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Scoble) - Andrew Feinberg

/me wanders off to dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed - Mike Taylor

I think Microsoft should buy Twitter and make their own Twitter client and implement Microsoft Bob to help you tweet! - Alex Knight

and don't forget the CGI "Clippy" voiced by Chris Rock - Andrew Feinberg

Microsoft kills almost every business they bought. - Steve Chou via IM

@Steve Chou - Google's record isn't much better really - Steven Hodson

(too bad Don LaFontaine isn't alive to record a trailer voiceover for Ron Howard's "Twitter/Friendfeed" techno-thriller) - Andrew Feinberg

So I need a who special box to run seesmic? *rollseyes* So it's like on of those Bloomberg boxes that investment firms have clicking away? And where in my already oversized backpack am I supposed to carry this Seemic machine? - Matthew DeVries

Matthew: the bloomberg software can run on any laptop now. but you need a special smartcard with a fingerprint reader that reads a barcode off the screen at the same time. - Andrew Feinberg

I'm going to look so cool taking up 4 tables in the coffee shop to run all the shit I'm supposed to be running to be truely plugged in.... - Matthew DeVries

@Matthew ROFLMAO .. just like the rest of the cool kids at Starbucks :) - Steven Hodson

That? That's the PS3 and HDTV just so i can watch Qor. - Matthew DeVries

I'm going to sit down and deal 5 notebooks out of my back pack like a Baccarat shoe. - Matthew DeVries

Wow 350 comments. What a massive comment stream. The comment feature makes a huge diff. It facilitates conversation, which twitter doesn't really provide. - Lawrence Di Stefano via Nambu

What Twitter's at threat!? It has the momentum of an unstoppable train, as to Seesmic being a threat - maybe, unfortunately it's irrelevant. - sofarsoShawn

I dumped Tweetdeck after the last Seesmic release. They have such an insane release schedule I don't think people can grasp how difficult it is to roll out the kind of releases they have done back to back.Their version stream just tells me they have bank behind them. When you work from different boxes I don't love the tethered feel of Seesmic however. - Chad Harris

there is potential for all these services (twitter, Friendfeed, facebook etc) to become secondary to the apps. The more services there are, the greater the need to bring them back together again. - Alistair

Chad: agree, there is something about SD that I'm not a fan of, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Seems to have lost something from Twhirl somehow - Alistair

@Scoble: Can you disclose publicly here that you are not on a pay roll by Seesmic or Loic LeMeur? Don't you have a PR-advisory deal? Please disclose.... - nikolas

Mike Taylor: "dream of wiring IRC to FriendFeed" <- that would be SO great ^__^ (with xdcc support included and stuff...) - minus-one

Robert is high - Alejandro

amazing 355 comments - learned a lot about Seesmic in rellation to twitter; thanks for sharing! - Jeroen De Miranda

Nikolas I have no such deal with Seesmic. I never have been paid by them. I have no investment in them. I don't know where you got that idea but it is totally false. - Robert Scoble

I just cannot bring myself to install one more thing on my computer to take up needed RAM. Plus, I do not want to install anything on my work computer either...and like to just user browser things that I can use on any computer. - Hummie

Scobleizer, Wait, Do I hence assume that your assertion is that friendfeed is no more (or, never was) a threat to twitter? - Lakshman Prasad

Lakshman: Friendfeed I'd not a threat to Twitter, correct. That said it is a threat to http://search.twitter.com - Robert Scoble

Robert: I like it but --- 1. it is a tool not a place, so i'll stick with FriendFeed as my means to "kill Twitter" and 2. it is a total whorish memory hog and i hate it when that happens. - Thom Kennon

Yeah it's a memory hog - Svartling

Robert: Seesmic definitely has potential, but I think that PeopleBrowsr has far more potential and far more power than Seesmic will ever have. As a power user, I'm quite surprised that you haven't taken that tool up, and replaced your Tweetdeck. And I would be surprised if you chose Seesmic to replace Tweetdeck. The search capabilities alone in PeopleBrowsr make me wonder this. Add to... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I would honestly say Seesmic Desktop is more of a threat to Friendfeed than Twitter - Zee.

Rob: I need to try Peoplebrowsr again. When I first tried it it was too slow and complex. - Robert Scoble

Zee: one major reason I also haven't gotten in Peoplebrowsr or Seesmic desktop is because, well, it is Adobe AIR and my iPhone doesn't run that (in Seesmic Desktop's case). In Peoplebrowser's case? It didn't do mobile last time I tried it. Friendfeed's search and realtime is keeping me going. - Robert Scoble

I think we can all agree that twitter was just the first in a line of ever evolving systems in real time news, twitter is the oldest, and will probably be replaced eventually, but surely it doesn't help to keep jumping ship every few months, nothing seems to be gathering as much steam as friendfeed, and it offers huge improvements over twitter, I really think people do need to persist with one service... rather than constantly jumping - Chris Lloyd

Robert the lack of mobile in PeopleBrowsr is valid, and it is complex, but the light mode makes it much more manageable to start using. The speed has considerably improved since you last used it. We'd love for you to try it again. The AIR version will import your groups from Tweetdeck. Please feel free to ask any questions you have. Jodee is on his way to California now for the conference this week. I hope that you'll have a chance sit down with him and see the improvements. - guruvan (Rob Nelson) via f2p

augh, too many comments to absorb. just wanted to throw in my two cents, though. i started with twhirl, then tried out Seesmic Desktop, and then went back to twhirl because i was able to customize the font size for reading the tweets. maybe i didn't dig deep enough, but Seesmic doesn't have that option, and i find the print a wee bit too small for my liking. - Starshadow Rivaulx

Wow Rob, you are an internet phenomenon. Someone tweeted me the link of this thread followed by "look at the moron, lol". Anyway: If twitter gets shut down, Seesmic will die. If Seesmic dies (gets shut down, w/e), it won't make a dent to twitter. Hence, you are wrong. - H M Elius

I'm with @guruvan on this, PeopleBrowsr is way better than Seesmic Desktop as a power tool. - Svartling

Svartling: Thanks! And, you can see by the via on this post, we already have FriendFeed support, and it will improve as well. And, with all the networks that we support, PeopleBrowsr isn't dependent on Twitter. Twitter access is surely the big slice, but we offer the ability to search Facebook, FriendFeed, Digg, Youtube, flickr, and even custom URLs. And, we provide access to Seesmic's network - guruvan (Rob Nelson) via PeopleBrowsr

Robert: I think you mean "Twinkle" can move over to its own service, not "Tweetie". - Bryan Penczak

Loic is gonna love this - Mark

so I go offline for a few hours playing with the kids and Robert launches this conversation when I am quiet and away! Ah! that's fun. If you had written a blog post instead of a friendfeed entry it would definitely be the week-end techmeme headline! Competing with Twitter? Nah I would have to be seriously sick to even think about it. We are just delivering as fast as we can and growing... more... - Loic Le Meur

WOW, what a conversation that was!! - Micky

Seriously. Robert...I think you just proved the value of (at least) FriendFeed forever more...(And Seesmic too of course!:-)...This is what I get for sleeping, eh? - Alan Edgett

I still rather prefer Twhirl to Seesmic Desktop. (Twitter + Friendfeed) better than (Twitter + Facebook). - Ade

The newest SD is much nicer than previous from a functional standpoint. I agree that FF support is a must (as well as Seesmic support). I still do not really like the UI, especially on my EEE PC, but even on the 24" monitor it is not as nice as TD. The functionality is better though so I have switched to SD. Really hoping to have the ability to rename saved searches, it is the searching which is so awesome after all. - Sean Brady

Robert how about a video showing the features or another interview with Loic? Depraved for Content!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Stephen Pickering

Its PeopleBrowsr not Seesmic - Webferret

So, what is this stuff from the top of the thread about Tweetie using their own servers? Little Snitch tells me that Tweetie for the Mac is communicating with twitter.com and s3.amazonaws.com. Robert? - Jason Wehmhoener

Jason: sorry it was Twinkle. I messed up. - Robert Scoble

It would sure be ironic if the 'openness' of Twitter's API killed them. As far as Seesmic goes, I wouldn't count on it emerging as the winner. I'm not impressed with it at all, most of the reasons being cited or commonly known. It has a lot of work to do before even attempting FriendFeed integration. I think Nambu has a lot of promise actually - Angus Burton

And Skimmer ;) ? - Maël Soucaze

Starshadow - I know that better font handling is on our short list - i'll go poke the devs to see if I can move it up a couple notches :) - Mike Taylor

Loic: who cares about getting on Techmeme anymore? Not me. I'd rather just have an interesting conversation. Seems like a few people found it here. - Robert Scoble

Looks to be the ase doesn't it. I was moving to TweetDeck/Twit but now thininking about exiting ofdf to Seesmic - James Hemby

Robert, you've got me trying both FriendFeed and Seesmic now from this post. Soon enough I'll be on flttr , even. - Raj Rikhy

Robert, I love TechMeme, I read it multiple times a day. I agree Friendfeed has very active users. Both are small groups on the web, if these groups are enough for you as a conversation, then yeah it's cool. Friendfeed definitely did not make me stop reading techmeme. - Loic Le Meur

having said that, yes, Friendfeed is coming to Seesmic Desktop - Loic Le Meur

Loic: I am inviting a bunch of Web innovators to a private room on friendfeed this weekend. It's amazing how many are already here and signed in. They might not be active, but they are active enough to accept my invitations! Watch for yours soon. - Robert Scoble

Wow all these comments about seesmic! Well this got me really curious, until now I only used Tweetdeck,tried Peoplebrowser, didn't like it, will give Seesmic a chance now. Want to find out for my self, and once again thanks to friendfeed for these discussions! - Jacob

I view Seesmic Desktop and Tweetdeck as almost next generation web browsers customized for the social web. Will be interesting to see how that dynamic evolves and how the traditional browsers like firefox will fit into the picture going forward. - Mike Bracco

Loic: I would love to hear what you feel about my above statement and where you see SD fitting in long term/big picture perspective. If you have a link where you have already discussed this, can you send - thanks! - Mike Bracco

Mike: agreed Loic "Bloomberg for Social media" sums it up perfectly. Also I am not a fan of peoplebrowser think Steamy is cleaner if you want to go untethered. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - Chad Harris via email

Chad: Thanks and makes total sense. - Mike Bracco

Thanks also ment to type "Streamy" not steamy, thumbs need a diet :) Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T - Chad Harris via email

Seesmic Desktop is too buggy for my liking... and I've tried to like it. Userlists are often completely incorrect... and randomly at that. I don't much care for any of the AIR apps. They just don't "feel" good. - John

Robert: I'm curious - If Twitter decides to use advertising as part of their business model, how will apps like seesmic etc impact Twitter - if they block advertisements, which are displayed on the Twitter web page? If so many users won't see the ads, how will that hurt Twitter's model? - Jim Connolly

LOL. - Mona Nomura

damn! this thread is still going! scoble's threads are epic! - Jason Pollock

Jim: the advertising money is in search. So, what happens if Seesmic Desktop does a metasearch that uses Twitter, Facebook, and friendfeed to present to you the best possible display? Wouldn't that hurt Twitter's ability to sell advertising? I think it would. The one who is in charge of the display controls where the ads go. The one who has the relationship with the user controls the... more... - Robert Scoble

I like Seesmic's functionality but really dislike the interface. It's all a little clunky and a little ugly. Plus the left panel takes up way too much space. Air apps aren't may fav. Seesmic should look at Tweetie on the mac for design ideas. - Wo

How do you search Facebook on Seesmic? - Wo

I installed Seesmic Desktop on my mac. It felt shite. - Sam Davyson

Didn't read all 400+ comments. Seesmic desktop is poopy compared to Nambu. Try Nambu. - Jason Mayoff via Nambu

Robert: I'm waiting on my invite :) - James Poling via email

does anyone know how many users are registered on friendfeed ? :) - Pretty Monkey Studio

It has 103.33 million accounts - Mark

cool thx mark - Pretty Monkey Studio

can't believe this thread is still active - Loic Le Meur

Wow this is still going on?? LOL - Alex Knight

Jason - Nambu is crash happy, at least Seesmic Desktop doesn't crash. - Alex Knight

This entire thread is silly and nonsensical. It's one thing to argue the merits of an interface's appearance, but the way this reads is like comparing an orange to orange juice. Seesmic Desktop is the orange juice to Twitter's orange; without the source, you can't have the juice. Or, is Loic planning to create a competing SNS? - Ari Herzog

Ari... I think the point is you can now drink orange, apple, tomato and grape juice and it all tastes like the same juice. Things like this make 'where' less important than 'what' - Johnny Worthington

Not the point, Johnny. If Twitter has one of its legendary fail whale attacks, it matters not what juice you're drinking since it ain't there. - Ari Herzog

Hey Robert, you're attracting again heh!!! Had to take 2 days off after all the fun we had. I LOVE SD, btw. - Myrna

Twine Is Taking Off, Now Bigger Than FriendFeed http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... (pretty hard 2 believe) - Ron Hagenhoff

+1 on hyperboles make you think. Just did a twitter search to measure the buzz around twitter clients: tweetie ~70 tweet per hour, tweetdeck ~150 tweet per hour and seesmic ~30 tweet per hour. But seesmic has $12M in the bank and a charismatic leader - It is going to be an interesting fight! - Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin: TweetDeck also had a multi month lead over Seesmic. That's going to be tough to beat. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Yes. The challenge for Loic I think is going to be to carve out a market segment: 1) companies managing their brands and communities, 2) social media power users or 3) normal users. 1) is where the short term revenue is, 2) is where the vocal/buzz people are and 3) is where the mass and long term search revenue. I am not sure that you can design one product which will fit the... more... - Edwin Khodabakchian

The future is in a desktop app? Everything else is going web-based, into the cloud, and yet for this alone users will flock to some resource-hog? No way, no how. Be web-based or be content to live with only early adopters. - Maxwell Kennerly

I'm loving Seesmic desktop - i look forward to what adaptations it will make - I want that friend feed pull-in. - Robert Freeze

The one thing that I have only seen in Nambu is the unread count. Might be missing something but it is just amazing for having searches in there, for mentions and direct messages. It's just wonderful. And is it not Air which security people will tell you is a major danger spot for hacking. - Oliver Thylmann

Robert: Thanks for the feedback re Twitter's revenue model. Just a thought, but with this thread having (at this point) 425 comments - is there a chance that FRIENDFEED could be the real competition to Twitter? The quality is already here, just a 'little' light on numbers. Thoughts? - Jim Connolly

Jim: I think there's something interesting happening here in search and in groups. Those are both places there's potential money, but a lot has to happen before that can happen. - Robert Scoble

Only if we all get more expensive computers, webcams, etc. - Prokofy Neva

Robert: Are you referring to FriendFeed needing more active users or for the actual FriendFeed platform to change? - Jim Connolly

I dont know if Seesmic is a threat for Twitter, but I know Robert Scoble knows well how to create a hot thread. - Jacque Matalon

Jacque: That's what I was thinking. :-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Can someone please explain to me how you can search your facebook stream in Seesmic - Wo

Ari: Not all of these clients are particularly susceptible to Twitter's failwhales. Many features still continue to work, often including search. Some of these clients have backends that cache/queue tweets so even more gets through. So it's not always like having no juice. Furthermore, if you're paying attention to multiple social networks, you're not as concerned or slowed down by one of them becoming inaccessible - guruvan (Rob Nelson) via PeopleBrowsr

I've been using Seesmic Desktop for about a week now. I absolutely love it. I have no use for Tweetdeck now. I sometimes use Hootsuite - mostly for their "Hootlet". But Seesmic Desktop is absolutely wonderful in managing my feeds. - Curt Mercadante

Christian Anderson

Re: iPhone 3-Way Calling (Merge Calls) - http://www.mediadeluge.com/post...

May 23 from Disqus - Comment - Like - Share

"Glad it helped! I only wrote it because I couldn't find any posts about it when I had the problem. Please let me know how it goes for you. Christian" - Christian Anderson

Alan Simpson

So, if I am going to pretend to be skeptical about Friendfeed in a presentation what should I include besides bacon, LOLCats, and people whose feeds go unread and uncommented on?

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well supposedly it's "complicated". At least that's what some people say. - Laura Norvig

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Don't forget that it's all Scoble, all day. - MVB

NOISE!!! =) Oh, and people don't post on just one topic so it's hard to put 'em into lists. Silly well-rounded FriendFeeders! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

++ mark.... I am much happier having blocked him. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

You often see the same item coming by multiple times, as Google Reader shares, bookmarks, native FF posts, etc etc. But you can learn to adapt to that. - Meryn Stol

Meryn... I need to work out which of mine to stop, which to use. ;o/ - Rob Sellen :o)

Don't forget polls about who is left handed or right handed for people's kids homework. - Mark Bean

Dont forget the 23 million one sided Twitter responses. - EARL (Born in the USA) via fftogo

don't forget about ff devolving from a place where conversations happened usually started from Tweets to just a repository for all those email forwards with silly pictures and funny captions... oh and a link farm for people just looking for SEO and not conversation / engagement - Christian Anderson

People that 'Like' everthing, including a tweet that was nothing but the date or time. - MVB

And it's only for discussions about FF. - Dave-o

Don't forget faux skepticism about said network is aided and abetted there. But to be fair, the force of irony deployed is usually sufficient to turn a negative into a positive. Or vice versa. Did I mention dog chasing its own tale comment thread logic?—"Look Ma, no irony!" - Micah Wittman

And also the announcements that 'X' has crossed the line and will be blocked, then the follow up 'I've just blocked X' and then the "X fights back' rebuttal. Plus people complaining that FF 'is not the same/boring/lost it's flavour'. - WorldofHiglet

The First Rule of FriendFeed: Discuss Only FriendFeed? ;) - Tyson Key

FiendFeed! - Tyson Key

dayum - Josh Haley

I wonder if my husband will let me marry Jason Huebel for the day. LOL - Anika Malone

"The sky is falling! FriendFeed is doomed to fail! Facebook is taking over!" -> "FriendFeed will crush Facebook and Twitter" threads come to mind... - Tyson Key

Photo shares? - Tyson Key

Don't forget TMI "husband" matters =) - Micah Wittman

NSFW posts available to the children of our world. They *are* our future. - AJ Kohn

Its over whelming for someone who is trying to get into FF. - Mathew™

Make sure you add Last.fm tracks. Lots of them. - Steven Perez

Don't forget Morton Fox and the other Likaholix (sic)! ;) - Tyson Key

Sump pump updates imported from Facebook! - Tyson Key

Forgot to come back yesterday and thank you all for the suggestions - Alan Simpson

So...which ones did you use? - WorldofHiglet

BOOBS!!!!! - Ladybug Heather

well you should be amazed that you had comments, to come back to, unlike others who get no comments. - Tatty Gibson

@worldofhiglet - saving them right now. writing presentation for conference in May - Alan Simpson

Ahh - gotcha! Well there's plenty here to pad it out (not that need to pad it out...!). I'm assuming that crowd sourcing is going to be in there somewhere? :) - WorldofHiglet

Wanted to report to all who contributed that I did my presentation and it went well. Here's the slide show :http://www.slideshare.net/theycal... Thanks for all the help - Alan Simpson

Great preso, Alan! Did you enjoy the Pecha Kucha? - Laura Norvig

There's no Oprah - sofarsoShawn

Shawn - I mentioned Oprah, I just didn't do an Oprah slide - Alan Simpson

Laura - Thanks. I enjoyed it. The 20 seconds per slide kept it moving and gave me less time to get nervous or worry about what I might be forgetting to say. - Alan Simpson

Jeff Jarvis

@angusbatey I think Everyblock is journalism. It is data. Data is news. Data informs. #jdef

May 16 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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I might tweak that a bit. Information informs. Data often is just data. - Christian Anderson

Like for Christian's comment. A key distinction. - Bora Zivkovic

to continue with Bora's mini-threadjack, data + analysis = information? Is that how we're defining the terms? - Mr. Gunn

Louis Gray

As FriendFeed can send "shameless self-promotion" in your feed, this hints how future ads could be inserted. Have you seen this?

May 12 - Comment - Like - Share

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Just saw this, interesting development. - Erik Magraken

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The only thing would be to let us comment on it :D - Johnny Worthington

Yes it just did, and see people are already talking...these form of ads will be more interactive on FF - Asankhaya Sharma

Hide is the only option. I can't even like it. - Louis Gray

this is right above your post in my home feed - interesting - Nathan Chase

Nathan, we operate in real time. - Louis Gray

Neat. But agree we'd love to comment. - Paola

it is too bad we can't like it, or comment on it - interactive ads might not be a bad idea - Nathan Chase

@Louis - right! - Nathan Chase

If it were an ad, would the tendency be to provide negative feedback? Should it be one giant conversation FriendFeed wide? Should you only see comments from your friends? - Louis Gray

Louis, you're slacking :P http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

ditto about comments, seemed strange not being able to...even if I wasn't going to - Rick Bucich

Good work, Mike. :) - Louis Gray

I like that you can't comment or like it. Otherwise, it'd keep getting bumped up. I'm not sure we'd want ads to keep being bumped up. - Rochelle

haha - "Your news is 4 minutes old. FAIL!" :) - Nathan Chase

What if the ad permanently held the third position from the top in your stream, Rochelle? - Louis Gray

just saw it. - Laura Norvig

Pff, beat ya Slayer :) Though didn't include a pic, Mo Fail! - Mo Kargas

It's not a terrible idea for monetization - if you don't like the ad, just Hide it. - Nathan Chase

Bleh. - Derrick

Louis, for how long? If an ad stayed there forever, I'd have a problem with that. I'd want a premium/paid membership to get rid of it. - Rochelle

@Nathan, can you do 'hide all like this' Or is that something we may end up paying for? Hmm - Mo Kargas

I don't know, Rochelle. I'm not in charge. :) - Louis Gray

@Rochelle - some ads people want to see. Super Bowl commericals for example. - Nathan Chase

It's a great idea and you can hide them. - Michael Fidler

Nathan, if people want to see the ads on FriendFeed, then they can opt to not pay for a premium membership and can see all of the ads. :) - Rochelle

I have no problem with this, it's the slickest implementation of ads I think I've ever seen (besides Google AdWords), as long as they stay away from ad companies that don't screen their ads and through popups and malware on everyone's computer. - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

Borrowed from Facebook "sponsored stories." Turnabout is fair play - Christian Anderson

I understand this is the direction Facebook is taking also - Michael Fidler

The potential of this just prepares me to yearn for a paid option. - Akiva Moskovitz

Yeah. I could see FriendFeed power users paying to keep the ads off as a premium service. Although some people might just leave FriendFeed entirely - or some enterprisiing Greasemonkey/Stylish hacker would discover a way to hide them all via scripting - Nathan Chase

I wonder what sort of targeting will they use for ads within feeds, when someone is bashing twitter it may seem a good time to show ad for a competitive service (say ff) - Asankhaya Sharma

The new logon has been very successful so far. This just ensures that more people will see it. They should feature this on every individual item/post page when someone views it who's not logged in - Michael Fidler

It is really strange not to be able to like or comment on it, but now that it shows up on the subscription management page, I guess it's really just more along the lines of an alert. I *do* like it, and the timing is sure 'nuff good. - Kathy Fitch

They probably don't want people to comment on it because most of the comments would be complaints (not now, maybe, but later). - Lindsay is :)

True, Lindsay--but all the more reason to let 'er rip, I always think. Never know what ideas will be gleaned. Anyway, I'm sure they knew we'd discuss and examine elsewhere. - Kathy Fitch

Confirmed. http://ff.im/2Qb7k - Jay Cuthrell

They should add 'like' to ads if this is the monetisation strategy. Similar to the way you can up vote ads in reddit. Hide counts as a down vote - Glenn Slaven

Nice--very nice--it updates. Keeps tabs on new twitter friends not yet added here. Handy. (But yes, of course, an ad could be pushed in just the same way. One of the perks/temptations of being the one with the keys to the system. Can't deny it's efficient for bulletins, though.) - Kathy Fitch

Jay, what are you saying is "confirmed"? - Rochelle

it had a hide option...I hid it. :) - dafire

Also had the permalink so the feature could easily be located for future reference. - Kathy Fitch

I don't mind the unit per se, but not being able to comment on it seems antithetical to what FriendFeed has been working towards. And ... wouldn't you want a Like or Share option too? - AJ Kohn

Thanks to your post (and all the similar ones) it's becoming part of a viral self-promotion campaign :-) - gib

The disturbing thing to me would be if future ads were very sticky, and also from unscrupulous advertisers. (like the ones on Facebook) - Sitcky: I just don't have the screen realestate to spare for ad space like that ad had. Evil advertisers on Facebook: the damn IQ quizzes and Make Money Fast Online crap. I see enough on Facebook and twitter of all that. Liking ads is key. Commenting would be even better. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

ON another Note: I WOULD like to see Important FriendFeed announcements take this format: Planned outages, Known feed issues (i.e. AOL mail not going, Faceook status not importing, Twitter link down etc). And These should be sticky until acknowledged. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

I wouldn't consider this a "shameless ad". It is informative and helps one to use the product better. I benefited from it. - Roebot

I saw it when it happened. At least they labeled it appropriately. - Martha

Yeah. Hid it immediately. Hrmph. - Ladybug Heather

I just added 128 more Twitter friends to my Twitter Clone list. They just keep coming! - Louis Gray

I have seen this - Holden

With like, commenting and clickthroughs, you can compute relevancy of the ad and use that to improve targeting. Furthermore, provide "feeds" for discussing products and services that are in the ads. This has so much potential. In fact, let me search for ads and create a new category of ads called "coupons"! - Peng-Toh

Just saw this,is this FF's ad business model? - Steve Chou

At least these guys have a potential business model! I won't mind *a few* such "shameless self promotions" or ads per day. - Vijay

it's much too early still for FriendFeed to advertise, but probably in the end offering an ad free paid account and a free ad supported account make sense. - Thomas Hawk

Saw this yesterday. I don't mind it but I think Thomas' idea is the best option. - Al Stevens

@Nathan Chase I put this out on day zero of this new entry type http://friendfeed.com/micahwi... - Micah Wittman

This thread was discussed on the FFundercats (http://www.ffundercats.com/2009...) - Josh Haley

Morton Fox

Did the Twitter folks ever run any stats to see how many people were using a feature before they remove it?

May 12 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

not sure that's how they think about it. It's more about how taxing it is on their systems - Christian Anderson

Christian Anderson

PR quiz: You're Twitter You're going on Oprah. What is your one key message?

May 9 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Hint: think about the audience. - Christian Anderson

Robert Scoble

@christianderson nah, twitter indexing of URLs won't change the world much. They could build something l ike stumbleupon, though.

May 7 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Twitter indexing urls might drive bloggers back to their blogs to originate content, may also drive the conversation back to blog comments instead of FF for the discussion. - Christian Anderson

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The incentive will be away from posting from FF to twitter at least for linked items - Christian Anderson

I hope it will be more meaningful than StumbleUpon, a more real-time version of Digg perhaps. - Abhimanyu Chirimar

Christian: it might change some usage patterns like that, but they are doing this because they know the money is in search. They need dramatically better search and so far friendfeed is totally kicking Twitter's ass in that department (and I believe the gap will get wider because friendfeed has more metadata to study). How do you know that Twitter's implementation will be all that good? They barely have given us any new features in three years. - Robert Scoble

Robert: I don't know if the implementation will be good or not. The Summize guys may have a trick up their sleeves. - Christian Anderson

Robert: how is it that ff has more meta data to study than twitter? - Christian Anderson

Christian: can you do a search like this one on Twitter? Show me all items that mention Obama but have four or more likes and four or more comments that have been commented on by Tim O'Reilly. No, you can't. Why? Because Twitter doesn't have metadata. Comments are metadata. Likes are metadata. This makes searching for things MUCH better on friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Facebook has metadata the other two don't have: profile metadata. Facebook knows I'm into photography. Twitter and friendfeed don't know that (although friendfeed does a little bit because it knows I have a Flickr account). - Robert Scoble

FriendFeed can infer your interests from groups you're subscribed to. - Bruce Lewis via fftogo

... and saved searches and friend list names. - René Clausen Nielsen

Twitter has similar meta data, wrt RTs and comments on the same story. That data is not yet exposed as it is on FF. - Christian Anderson

I believe that Twitter indexing the URL's in tweets will make a world of difference on how companies such as Microsoft Live Search and Yahoo! look at search. Google already knows how to do it, they do not. Even Google could take from this, they could start a service to index tweets as well, though Twitter will be faster, for the meantime. - Zachary TG

Christian: RT'ing isn't nearly as good and commenting isn't nearly as good on Twitter as a metadata source to study. - Robert Scoble

Robert: No so sure. On FF, you have the gaming component of likes and comments where people may just like and comment on a thread to get more followers, or to debate something that is pretty off topic. This is less the case with Twitter RTs and people on Twitter not RTing but posting or commenting on the same topic/link. - Christian Anderson

I'm a ff fan, but my guess is, Twitter's change to how it treats links will impact behavior in a way that will impact ff's growth. It may harm ff's growth as much as the ff community is by rejecting content and users that "don't use ff right." - Christian Anderson

Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I don't have a problem with celebrities joining Friendfeed as long as they intend on contributing to the conversations. Just simply piping in your bubbleheaded Twitter updates and expecting anything back is not what FF is about.

May 7 - Comment - Like - Share

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Nail/head. - Iain Baker

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For examples of a celebrity who understands this, please see Felicia Day: http://friendfeed.com/felicia - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

friendfeed: the antisocial social networking group. ha ha - Cee Bee

I don't really think FF has an "about". It's what you make it. - Shawn Farner

@Shawn But you cannot deny that FF is about conversation. It's built entirely around this. Importing your services is only part of it, its the connection that other people have with what you import that makes this site. I "love" a song on Last.FM and it starts a conversation about how much others love that song, or a YouTube video, or anything. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

That's if you choose to take part in the conversation side of it. I'm just not going to tell people how to use it, that's all. The conversation side of it is neat but I'm sure some people just use it the way it was originally billed - to keep tabs on what friends are up to online. - Shawn Farner

Fair enough, I certainly see your point. I use Twitter and Facebook for those kinds of things. When I want to discuss, I come to FriendFeed. I just would hate to see it suddenly get overrun with people like the chick above who are just promoting themselves and could care less about talking with the people that follow them. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

In one way it is good to see FF become a commodity platform. In all other ways it is bad. - David Muir

It's the same as Twitter. When a celebrity joins something like Twitter or FriendFeed, tons of people will follow them hoping for some type of interaction. For many of us, when that person doesn't interact - we stop following them. Then...they're not an issue anymore because they're no longer on your feed. As far as Kim Kardashian goes, that account on FF has been blocked already because it's 90% obvious it's someone who works for/with her who created the account. - Candace Holly

Exactly, Candace. Twitter wasn't a big of a shock to me, since it's the equivalent of standing on the crowded street corner with a megaphone. FF is a different animal since it's so easy to jump in and take place in the conversation.. it's not so 1-sided in that you get to see everyone's replies. It's plainly obvious when a FF user is a bot or a ghost-writer. Everyone ignores and blocks. I'm not saying FF will go downhill because of this, but it's not going to help anything either. :( - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

As the service gets larger, and more out there - this will happen. Like Twitter/Facebook and any other social network...it will happen. It's up to you to decide who you interact with. ...Hang on a second Sean, my Twitter updated...OH HUGH JACKMAN WHY WON'T YOU REPLY TO ME?! ...What? - Candace Holly

Hahaha.. I understand.. I keep @ replying to Lily Allen and she won't reply back. WHY DO YOU FORSAKE ME LILY?!? - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I don't actually follow Hugh Jackman on Twitter...he's one of the 592853490 "famous people on Twitter" who pays someone to do it for them. - Candace Holly

Ahhh... I don't follow him either.. I do follow several celebrities but I look carefully to see if it's actually them. Lily is one that's actually her, among a few others like Alyssa Milano and Felicia Day - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

interesting that she's only a member of a single group: http://friendfeed.com/hotts :) - Nathan Chase

I've been cutting down my celebrities that I follow on twitter and have a mind to drop a few from friendfeed as well. It would be different if some of these people put up valuable content on the two services, but I'm not interested in reading about a celeb's sammich preferences. :P - Jonathan Hardesty

Nathan, she has a private feed :) - Alp

I've not received the invitation Sean. :) - Alp

My attitude about celebrities is that they can and should join and we can and will block or hide their posts if we aren't interested. - Brian Sullivan

@Alp Nathan will have to invite, I don't have permission -- he's the mod. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

Haggis: that is pretty unfair. She just joined FF. Do you expect other new joiners to understand the norms here by day 2? - Christian Anderson

It might be unfair, but it makes it no less untrue. I supposed I'm slightly biased against her, but I was really using her as an example. For one thing it's highly likely that she uses a publicist for her postings in the first place. That's also a huge no-no in this place. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I must be looking in the wrong place. http://friendfeed.com/rules is returning a "not found" for me... - Glen Campbell

is using a publicist really a huge nono - because many companies have twitter accounts manned by a marketeer, and quite a few people I know on twitter hope to make a living as "social media experts" doing exactly that kind of thing but for companies. Why is it OK for a company around a product but not for a company around a celebrity (make no mistake, these are all business endeavours, that's why they have agents, PAs etc.) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Simple...companies usually don't tell us "OMG! I need a Starbucks!" - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

What Tutivillus said. :D - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

People can use Friendfeed however they want. We will decide if they are worth following and/or interacting with. Using these standards, I would have been "kicked out" from Twitter months ago. - Alejandro

Who is Kim Kardashian? This is a real question, I've never heard of her. - KateB

Glen, I found the instructions / rules: i couldn't find the rules either. Haggis, if their "bubbleheaded" are sure sure they're done by a publicist? Joelle makes a good point there too. The number one joining behavior for new people joining FF is to pipe in their other feeds. - Christian Anderson

i found the ff rules on the logged out home page: "It's simple It takes just a couple clicks to post anything or to start a discussion. It’s conversational Your friends comment on the things you share, and you see their comments in real-time. So talk with your friends, not at them. It’s open Read and share however you want — from your email, your phone or even from Facebook. Publish your FriendFeed to your website or blog, or to services you already use, like Twitter." - Christian Anderson

@Alejandro - Exactly. We choose who we interact with. @Kate - I think she's a model? - Candace Holly

Haggis: your having a problem with celebs on FF is fine. That is your right. Suggesting that a user is doing it wrong and then advocating a closed system is what i'm challenging. - Christian Anderson

I'm certainly not advocating a closed system! I just don't want a celebrity invasion of nothing but posts and no replies. It's not the FF I want. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I would be concerned if they got "special" attention from FF staff but other than that the more the merrier. Even "ghost" celebrities might have something to contribute. - Brian Sullivan

Several blogs do the same - Alejandro

Christopher Sacca

MeatCards: Print Your Business Cards On Beef Jerky With A Frickin’ Laser Beam

May 6 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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I accept - Josh Haley

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what would you do, as a woman, if a guy handed this to you? Meat? Please...I think I'd call 911. - lindsay

"That said, the guys behind MeatCards seem to be interested in finding a way to mark the cards with "Do Not Eat" to make it clear that they don't want you to eat them - it just opens them up to too many possible legal problems and regulations." Boooooooooo! - Andrew C

Sorry, I'm all out of business cards. I ate them all. ---> - Anika Malone

Unless you dedicate your laser cutter to meat only (and perhaps even then), you really wouldn't want to eat it -- the inside of the laser cutters I've seen reek with the smell of burnt plastic. You can laser food for fun (they have a class on the subject at TechShop for example), but... - ⓞnor

Oh, meant to include citation, but the UI left it unclear as to how it was presenting the link. Not used to the changes. The original source was TechCrunch. - Christopher Sacca

You would have to provide good ventilation and also a clean working surface. Not impossible, admittedly. There are certainly chefs who work with lasers in food preparation (most famously Homaru Canto at Moto). - ⓞnor

If you eat one that you wanted to keep, just wait 24 hours and it will be back. - Mattb4rd

I'd love to try using these in Japan. Given the reverence that's usually paid to the giving/receiving of business cards, if someone started gnawing on one, I think they'd just faint. - Aaron D'Souza

Kick ass! I think I want one! I'll take yours :) - Aaron Turpen

Genius! - Steven Larsen

Not sure if I can give away free food in this economy lol - Jason Williams

Even if it's too tough to be pleasant eating, maybe it could make a thin broth... - Andrew C

(barf) - Seth Gottlieb

ummm. swine flu - Christian Anderson

Jeremiah Owyang

What does this mean? It means that the SEO professionals will quickly move to monetize twitter, and more brands will spew links

May 7 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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a little late - that's already happening :-) - andy brudtkuhl

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...now it will become industry wide norms if twitter is able to categorically index and rank it accordingly. - Sampad Swain

Hopefully a reputation based ranking system will help create content filters - andy brudtkuhl

Yup. - Michael R. Bernstein

Also means some URL shortener fallout... their methodologies (301, meta, etc.) will come into play for transferring link cred. - Ben Hedrington

We're already seeing the move by brands to create their own shortened urls. That will really heat up - Christian Anderson

Robert Scoble

In TweetDeck, Seesmic, etc all social networks look the same. If I were an exec at, say, Facebook, I would pay these guys to add features.

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This is a big problem for these services. How do they convince users to join one over another? Friendfeed has real time on the web page, which is cool for chats, etc. But how can friendfeed differentiate if they all look the same in clients? - Robert Scoble

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A natural need for a middle man is building. It would be good if these companies built some good relationships. - Eric @ CS Techcast

actually now that i have used this new ff a few days, all i see is a commodity - similar to what you are saying - Allen Stern

Allen: except your comment showed up on my screen without refreshing. - Robert Scoble

Allen: I think that everything is commodity EXCEPT for the filters, er, sorry, the searches. Those are NOT commodity. - Robert Scoble

I agree with Scoble, at some point, the similarities are going to kill some of these tools. - Maria Reyes-McDavis

Other than for commenting, I am unable to understand why I would need a third party app for facebook. And at this point seesmic doesn't even let me comment. API limit or app function? Not sure, but at this point I am sticking with FB website. - Bob Blunk

won't they all do on screen refresh in the browser within 2 months? - Jonathan Denison

Allen: and you can't move my searches here that I've saved (already dozens) to other services. You need friendfeed's identity/socialgraph and databases to use those. - Robert Scoble

I find myself flitting between different services plus the actual web sites. I'm still searching for the right mobile experience for all of them though. - Dave O'Neill

where can I read about the filters? Not sure I've "got" this feature of friendfeed yet - Jonathan Denison

I just want tweetie with groups + friendfeed and I can call it a day. - Daniel Morgan

This is why I've no intention of trying Seesmic's Twitter client or Twhirl or DestroyTwitter. I use Tweetdeck. They all look the same and if any one does anything new then the others will do so soon as well so there's no point in switching and setting everything up again. - Mark

Maybe TweetDeck, Seesmic, etc. is not where they expect to get new users from. - Bruce Lewis

This is the lack of being a purple cow. Everbody looking and acting like each other do something different and creative. The market is flooded with twitter and facebook apps. Make a new concept period. - John Isaac

John, new concepts are a tough sell. People like to understand new things in terms of what they already know. - Bruce Lewis

Jonathan: look over at "Saved searches." Those are filters. I need to do a video about them, but I still am playing around at what works well there. - Robert Scoble

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Competition among the 3rd party apps will drive them to continually innovate. - Bob Ngu

I'm still wondering what the mass market version of Friendfeed looks like. Amazingly customizable, but almost too powerful for the avg user. Personally, I'm still trying to figure out how to avoid getting so much crap in my home feed. - Ryan Miller

Both Tweetdeck and Seesmic need major UX overhauls. - Dean Clark

Scoble: got it, i have used the saved searches. They are like searches in tweetdeck or seesmic. What I have always wanted in those apps though is shared searches in the cloud, not client specific. I see I get this from friendfeed. A great result - Jonathan Denison

Ryan: use saved searches. For instance, here's http://friendfeed.com/search... all items that have the word "Obama" used in them that Lous Gray has liked that have the word "inflation" used in the comments and that have at least five comments. Hint: it's only one item. There's a TON of power in saved searches. WAY MORE than in Seesmic or Tweetdeck. - Robert Scoble

You can NOT do that search on any other system or on Seesmic or Tweetdeck. It's that power in searches that will differentiate friendfeed from now on. - Robert Scoble

what's the USP of searches on friendfeed? and How does it benefit the average user? - Jonathan Denison

Robert, the only reason you can't do that search example in Seesmic-Desktop or TweetDeck is that FriendFeed's API is *seriously* behind the curve relative to the UI feature set. Up until recently the same could have been said for Facebook. - Mike Taylor

Mike: no, my point is that you can't do that search on Twitter (no metadata to study) or on Facebook (which doesn't have a search system yet. It's the searches where the money is and it's the searches where the differentiation lies. - Robert Scoble

I agree that the power of twitter appears to be in the search. Adding metadata will help this, but only if the audience follows. The power of twitter search at the moment is everyone is using twitter, so real time search happens. You can find out about *anything* that is happening in the world - Jonathan Denison

Robert: ohhh, yes, FriendFeed does have a lot of metadata exposed in the search interface - *but* it's not exposed via an API. - Mike Taylor

Mike: the friendfeed team told me they are rethinking their API. If that's going to be a key differentiator I bet that soon there will be an improved API. They are rebuilding saved searches to be "live" too. There's lots of features missing from saved searches too, can't wait to see how it all evolves. - Robert Scoble

Mike: Facebook is building its own search engine, too, and its own filtering mechanism. It'll be interesting to see how they both are different. I think Facebook is ahead in terms of mixing in businesses and obviously Facebook has 200-250 million users, so when you get search there it'll be a bigger deal than friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Robert: yes, I've been waiting for the FriendFeed API to update - with the quality of the experience that FriendFeed has given to date, their API should be amazing! Facebook is going to run into unique issues with it's Search/Filter just because they have 200-250 million users and an infrastructure that is event-push web oriented. Wiring on a layer that can sniff/store metadata for search is going to be fun :) - Mike Taylor

Scoble: I think facebook serves a different audience. Linked in was for business, friendsreunited was for friends. Facebook brought them together. Twitter and Friendfeed made you realise there was more benefit in meeting new people than contacting those you already new. I can't see FB becoming a meet new people rather than establish relationships with those you know network. - Jonathan Denison

Friendfeeds needs think think of itself as facilitator of conversation on the web -- where ever you have web presences, ff aggregates discussion. - Christian Anderson

ff ought to let me respond to @replies from Twitter via ff. - Christian Anderson

ff also ought to let me see and interact with wall posts on fb. - Christian Anderson

Open APIs: Good for users, bad for business models. For a while I think this will be like the browser wars with ebb and flow until they all start to resemble eachother. Then there will be a second round of innovation via two trends: exponential growth in "sensors" (people, devices, cameras, etc) and emergence of automation in making connections (your advanced searches only automated, the systems create the searches based on usage patterns). Without that there's no way people will be able to keep up. - David Ziembicki

David: I think the "win" for the business side will be the amount of metadata that flows thru their systems. That model doesn't care where the metadata originates from, just as long as it enters the system so it can be gathered, scanned, repackaged and sold to outsiders. *That's* where the revenue will come from IMO. - Mike Taylor

Mike: I agree completely, it will just be very tough to hold a sustainable advantage in that environment with this kind of pace of development. There will need to be a sustainable enough advantage to justify the investment. - David Ziembicki

David: good point - makes me glad i'm on the client side of the fence :) - Mike Taylor

i like how, with Friendfeed, you can comment on tweets- thats Robert - iTbay

Robert, have you tried the official Facebook AIR app? It has boosted my activity on Facebook 100%. It is a VERY similar experience to FriendFeed, seeing posts and comments in real-time. And it's dead simple to use and totally streamlined, unlike many of these twitter apps w/ a ton of options & menus. FriendFeed needs something like this ASAP. - Daniel Sims

And there must be a clensing cycle so people that never communicate aren't at the top of the users groups. Imagine FB with 3 walls Family, Friends, and Social-Professional. Contacts that don't have any interaction in latter 2 eventually fall off. I think friendfeed may jump on this weakness since this is closer to what's right than what Twitter and FB are doing. - Dave

Sure they all look the same in clients, but all require different accounts. This type of media would be better in a single protocal with many clients / suppliers (like email) otherwise we'll end up with a mess of services - a bit like the situation with Instant Messaging - Robert Davies

have you seen peoplebrowsr.com? it adds a LOT of functionality. - John Bergoon

Christian Anderson

Huge problem in this economy: we don't know what anything is worth. The coming inflation brought on by gov't spending exacerbates

May 3 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Makes it hard to buy when we don't know the value of something - Christian Anderson

People don't buy, the economy can't grow - Christian Anderson

Couple that with the coming credit card / personal credit crisis and you have to believe this recession will be long and we are not at the bottom. - Christian Anderson

AJ Batac

Laziness, in its Purest Form - http://www.businesspundit.com/lazines...

May 2 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Thats how I got my last dog. By running over the one before it. :) - Lokei Atikus™®

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Not sure if I got that. :/ - AJ Batac

@AJ I have a cat now. I got rid of my SUV. He won't go on walks. - Lokei Atikus™®

Oh - AJ Batac

So quick to judge. Maybe they're out of gas :) - Christian Anderson

I've seen lazier theres an ad with the dog on a running machine. Infact on Dragon's Den (the uk version) a few series ago they invested in a dog running machine used to help dogs rehabilitate over injuries but you know lazy dog owners will buy them too ;) - Nicholas James

@James I'm not lazy, I had to get one for the dogs I ran over except the last one :) - Lokei Atikus™®

Morton Fox

99,999 likes...

April 28 - Comment - Like - Share

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EPIC!!! - Helen Sventitsky

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Will it roll back to zero on your next one? - Jeanine W.

Whoa. - Derrick

HIGH SCORE - Chris Charabaruk '_'

Will you be donating some mosquito nets? - Mike Doeff

Better if it was beers on the wall. - Steve C

Who's gonna get the next one? - Jandy

You win. - Zach Flauaus

Nice odometer, Morton, wow. - Micah Wittman

Morton WINS - Dobromir Hadzhiev

At least there is one person with more than me, hehe. Cool, Morton. Who's going to get the 100,00th? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

6020 Likes this week WOW - Joe Dawson

ok.. can you name your top 10 likes ? - Peter Dawson

AMAZING! - Thomas Hawk

part of this HAS to be that known condition of descriptions imported as comments, when these comments end up as if user manually posted, messing up one's "my conversations" functionality - Petr Buben

Wow! I'll beat you to 1 Million ;) - Nicholas James

NICE! - Shey

Wow! - Bill Romanos

It's funny that this post is seeing more action that the other post for 100,000 likes. :) http://friendfeed.com/mortonf... - Morton Fox

You are a machine! - orionstarr

wow. - anna

Did you peg the odometer? - Christian Anderson

Few more ... and you're the new Governor of NJ ?! - Charlie Anzman

Sh***eutt. You 0wn this, so l33t. Very interesting feed now huh? Years of analyzing could be done, thinking of it now. Wow. - Zu_ElijahBailey

99,999 friendfeed licks on the wall, 99,999 friendfeed likes. Take one down, un-like it, 99,998 friendfeed likes on the wall. - DGentry

omg, 6020 likes in a week? (: - Batu

I like your likes :) - Ryo

Woah - Shevonne

haha i missed this. This is pretty awesome Morton! - Carlos Ayala

OMG you're gonna break FF ... LOL! :) that is amazing!!!! - Susan Beebe

...that's a whole lotta LIKE! - .LAG liked that

Damn! - ZuDfunck

more like "you're gonna get carpal tunnel" from all that clickin' - Rick Cogley

that is quite epic - Chieze Okoye

Currently standing at 101,460 ... We all love you Morton - Charlie Anzman

Robert Scoble

Mini-Scobleizer 3.0 will "definitely be a boy" we just learned. Due late September.

April 27 - Comment - Like - Share

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Congrats! - Simon Wicks

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Definitely congrats bud! - Tyler Hayes

Congrats! - zach 2.0 should be here to deprive me of sleep in june - Zach Scott

Congratulations! - Martin Bryant

Congratulations, Robert! - Jolie O'Dell

Congrats! - Raanan Avidor

Great news Robert, congratulations! - Bill Musgrave

congrats from all the family - Nick Halstead

Congratulations! - Atul Arora

right on man!!! just spent all weekend devoid of pc/bb/social sites etc with all my time spent on/with wife and our two kids (8 1/2 yr old son and 5 1/2 yr old daughter). BEST WEEKEND ever!!! Most incredible ride you'll ever take bro Congrats!!!!!!!!!! - Ted Bradford II

Congratulations to you and yours! Happy news :) - Andy Bold

Congratulations man ! - Yaron Orenstein

Congrats! - Teri Temme

Congratulations to you and your family! - TechFuga

congratz! :) - Meriç Dağlı

Robert - Best wishes to you and the family, from over the pond!! - Jim Connolly

Congratuluations! :-) - Maria Reyes-McDavis

Congrats and best wishes !!!! - Nir Ben Yona

congrats robert!!! scoblezier v3.0 :D - Apostolos Papadopoulos

congrats!! scoble 3D ;) - Charles Ying

Yay! - Sean McGee

Congrats Scoble :) - Roberto Bonini

Congratulations! Sounds like you're well on your way toward leaving a legacy. - Colleen O'Donnell Pierce

Congrats, best wishes to you and your clan. #MiniScobleizer3.0 :-) - Willem

The theme from My Three Sons comes to mind. :) Congrats! - Kim Larsen

It's a boy! Congrats - Christian Anderson

Congratulations!! - Tom

Good ! Congrats - Christian

Congrats to the both of you! - drew olanoff

Congrats Scoble - Harmen

Awesome! Congratulations you're a machine!!! - sofarsoShawn

Nice one. Would appear you want a team of some sort. ;-) congratulations, Robert. Really great news. :) - Sheryl

Awesome Robert, congrats! - Allen Harkleroad

Congrats Robert then you don't have to buy that shotgun to keep all the boys off your porch :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen

Congratulations! Robert. that's really great news to start the week :) - Tweet Feeds

Congrats Robert! - Steve

did you already pick out a mac for the new baby? :-P - Allen Stern

One more and you got a basketball team! :-) - Dave Winer

Congratulations to the family! - Anne Bouey

Congrats! - Thomas Hawk

congratulations! - Lisha Sterling

Have you read Nick Hornby's About a Boy yet? If not I will send a copy as a shower gift. - Bill L

You got to choose a Persian name for Scobleizer 3.0, congrats - Shakeel Mahate

Congratulations! I love the numbering scheme. My parents did that too. - anna

Congrats Robert! - Ryan

right on! - nicefishfilms

CONGRATS ROBERT! Give him a name then register the domain immediately =) - Alp

Congrats! Boys born in September are awesome, I know this firsthand. :-) - Trish R

Congrats RB we need as many of these as you can manage - Thomas Power

hey congrats Robert! - (jeff)isageek

Congrats, Robert! - Andrei M. Marinescu

Congratulations! Two boys are twice the fun! - Martha

Congratulations Robert! - Diego Espinoza V.

Another boy? Wow. At least you have experience there... - Louis Gray

Felicitaciones - Alejandro

Congrats! - Brandon Mendelson

Congrats - while you're waiting, check out MiniScobleizer 1.0 here: http://www.iphonelife.com/blog... - Patrick Jordan

That's great news! You better get him a Friendfeed started... - Gregg Le Blanc

"Mini-Scobleizer 3.0" is a great name! - KyleHase via twhirl

Thanks everyone! - Robert Scoble

Congrats, Robert Scoble - rob

Congratulations! :) - Abby Martin

Congratulations :) - YusufOzanTasdemir

Congrats :) - Ozkan Altuner

Congratulations! - Herb Hernandez

Great news! Congrats. :-) - Rutger Blom

Congratulations Robert. - Daniel Rowley

Congratulations! - Nicholas James

Congrats & may he have your wit & warrior spirit!!! - Roney Smith

Congrats, Robert! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Congrats to you and Maryam Robert! - jcunwired

Congratulations, Robert & Maryam :-)! - asiriusgeek

Congratulations. - Kevin Nordmand

congrats are you gonna install firewire to keep the kid updated on a daily basis I think they do that in the doctors office now. LOL - Gary Prechtel

I recommend naming him after a tree: Filbert - Gabe

Congrats!!!! - Steve Rubel

Congratulations! - 321

Congrats, Robert! - Bret Taylor

Congratulations to you both! - Sharon McPherson

I can't wait!! - Mona Nomura

Congratulations! - George Hall (Australia)

Congratulations! - Michael Fidler

Congratulations - Russ Jackson

Congrats to the family! - Eric @ CS Techcast

Great news. My son will be a year in early September. Can't wait to see pics in the fall. - Sally Robinson

Grats, man! - Neal Jansons

Congratulations to you and your family! - John Seals

Congratulations Robert!! - Ken Camp

Congrats Robert! - atanas

congrats!!! - Loic Le Meur

Great news! congrats!! - Gerald Neo

Congratulations! - Mary Baum

Babies are just the coolest thing ever. One of my favorite things is that when they start talking, they love to point and say "BABY!" whenever they see anyone even a smidgen smaller than they are. Love that. - Kathy Fitch

Sheryl will want to squish a baby Scoble next time we're down your way. hehehe - Ken Camp

Congrats to you and your family! Wishing you the best. - Larry Roth

Congratulations Robert - you must be proud! - Jesse Stay

Congrats! Enjoy every second of the process! It's life-changing :) - Peter du Toit

Congratulations - Violet Mae Lim

Three boys in this house. It's fantastical! Congratulations again, Robert. Even though it would mean one more web login, I'm holding out hope you'll utilize my social site for baby birth prognostication http://bebepool.com - we could all participate, it would be fun :) - Micah Wittman

On second thought, it might bring the server down :O - Micah Wittman

super-congrats, Robert!!! :))) - Alberto D'Ottavi

woot, congratulations. - Carolyn Chan

Very nice to hear, big congratulations! - Johan Mellberg via twhirl

Where are the ultrasound pics? BTW, congratulations. Maybe this one will defeat the Matrix. - Victor Panlilio

Victor: the doctor printed some out but I didn't shoot them yet. - Robert Scoble

COngrats ... - Amani

Adopt me Robert Scoble! - Alp

Congratz! - Thomas V. Fischer

Congrats!!! - Ravindran Navaneethan

Congrats dude! - imabonehead

Congrats!!! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

Congrats! For a moment I thought your 3rd clone is about to go public. :-) - Nenad Nikolic

Congrats! - Cristian

Amazing! Congratulations Scoble!! - Zee.

Congratulations, Robert! - patricia

Congratulations Mr. Scobble : ) - Mark Harai

Congratulations Mr. Scoble and Mrs. Scoble! :) - Tony C

Congrats Robert!! - Larry Hawes

Awesome, Robert! Congrats!!! - David Cook via fftogo

Congrats! And the other two Scobleizers are? - Kirill Bolgarov

Congratulations to both of you. - Michael Lehman

'grats!! - Julian

That's three Sept boys I learned about today, a friend is having twins. Congratulations!!! - Rick Bucich

Felicidades! - Janet

Auguriii!! - Lucio Riccardi

Congratulations to everyone involved. :) We were told that our second child was going to be a girl, the hospital staff were certain. You know what is coming — yep, it was a boy. It was the biggest shock of the night. The second biggest shock (a few moments earlier) was me having to deliver him at home with instructions over the phone from the emergency services. Good luck! :) - Chris Marshall

Congrats :D - Baard Overgaard Hansen

Mazel tov! - Mitch Wagner

Sweet! Congrats! - Brian Bufalo

Congrats! - Gavin

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