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Martin Luther vs Charles Darwin
Martin Luther "A person who gives [this - sic] some thought and yet does not regard [music] as a marvelous creation of God, must be a clodhopper indeed and does not deserve to be called a human being; he should be permitted to hear nothing but the braying of asses and the grunting of hogs." (SOURCE: Luther on Music: Paradigms of Praise, Carl F. Schalk)
- Christian Burns
Charles Darwin "[F]or many years I cannot endure to read a line of poetry: I have tried lately to read Shakespeare and found it so intolerably dull that it nauseated me. I have also almost lost any taste for pictures or music.... The loss of these tastes is a loss of happiness, and may possibly be injurious to the intellect, and more probably to the moral character, by enfeebling the emotional part of our nature."
- Christian Burns
Am I the only person who, prior to this month, assumed the U.S. Chamber of Commerce was a government agency?
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The US Chamber of Commerce is as much a Gov agency as the Federal Reserve or Federal Express.
- Christian Burns
I thought the fed is a federal agency?
- Dario Gomez
They try very hard to maintain that image.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I knew it wasn't. If they were, I don't think they could be as politically active.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Most organizations called the "chamber of commerce" are merely a club for businesses, to promote business etc. The Fed, according to Wikipedia, is "an independent government institution that has private aspects." The President appoints the chairman and the Senate confirms but, apart from that, the government has no control over it—it's run by its own Board of Governors. The Wikipedia article has a lot of detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
The court system is independent, it's still part of our government. And the fact that the fed chairman needs to report to congress, and is appointed by the president makes it a government agency in my book.
- Dario Gomez
US CofC != Department of Commerce. US CofC is a pro-business lobbying group.
- John Craft
Am I the only one to have no clue as to what a chamber of commerce actually does?
- Davis Freeberg
No, I was totally surprised the first time I heard that, Kevin.
- Holly Rae, FFer
Davis, the local CofCs tend to be clubs, as Glen says. The state-level CofCs lobby state legislatures, and here in Georgia have even gotten involved in endorsing candidates. the US CofC lobbies the Federal government.
- John Craft
Jailbreak iPhone 3.1.2 Firmware with blackra1n | Redmond Pie - http://www.redmondpie.com/jailbre...
I feel a jailbreak coming on. It's about time.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
That was easy. Wow. Now installing Cydia.
- Christian Burns
The LaRouche Plan: Rescuing the World's Economy | LaRouchePAC
@stevegillmor don't know if you've explained it yet, but no Gillmor Gang audio-only? I've looked all over the place.
there's a bootleg version from a guy named Jack here. try search and let me know if u can't find it.
- Steve Gillmor
Mr. Gillmor even the Grateful Dead had official versions of their LPs!
- Michael Pinto
the video is the official version. soon we'll be offering official blindfolds to convert into audio only
- Steve Gillmor
Shh, don't tell anyone http://bit.ly/WLuTG
- Christian Burns
Perfect. Thanks. The fuzz don't like me watching the youtubes while driving. Blinders or no.
- James Seaborn
from iPhone
James, you will want to purchase official GG blindfolds when they come out even if you don't use them.
- Christian Burns
I've used earplugs occasionally.
- Matt Terenzio
the earplugs are bootlegs
- Steve Gillmor
I too would like an audio version. I have many more opportunities to listen than to watch.
- Mason Lee
On my whiteboard is "battlefronts." IE, who in the tech industry is taking over the castle. Who do you think is? Join me live:
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IE, Apple is taking over the castle from Nokia in the mobile phone space. Twitter is making a strong move on the social networking castle that Facebook owns.
- Robert Scoble
Ustream and Blip.tv are trying to get into YouTube's castle but keep getting shut out.
- Robert Scoble
Is Twitter storming Facebook's castle or is facebook storming Twitter's?
- Peter Kelley
Peter: I think Facebook is losing castle rooms to Twitter and it pisses Facebook off.
- Robert Scoble
Zoho and Google are trying to take ground away from Microsoft Office.
- Robert Scoble
Also is Mahalo building their own castle or storming someone elses?
- Peter Kelley
twitter are the horde slowly taking over the outlying areas of facebooks domain
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
So is SocialText and Atlassian and Jive and others.
- Robert Scoble
apple is going to be losing ground to both android and pre on different slices of turf IMO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
FIOS is taking over cable and satellite. My iPhone is making my Windows desktop irrelevant.
- Brett Nordquist
Mindtouch is storming the sharepoint castle
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Gowalla is taking BrightKite's castle
- Peter Kelley
Anyway, the question is, where do you see entrenched "winners" under attack by new companies or ideas.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: FourSquare is doing a better job of doing that than Gowalla is.
- Robert Scoble
FIOS is a non-issue until they lose the "higher market" feel - i.e. it won't be in my working class neighborhood for another 2 years
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wordpress is storming the Blogger castle.
- Brett Nordquist
But Gowalla is in the game.
- Robert Scoble
Louis Gray is taking over the Robert Scoble castle.
- Cristo
Anything related to keeping data tied to a physical location is dead. Freedom of mobility has stormed the castle and is now dancing in the courtyard as it burns down around it.
- Adrian Pike
Android from the iPhone, in the next 2 years
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
gowalla has just elbowed both twitter and foursquare out of the spot at the gate that is brightkyt
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Bing to Google
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Brett: Wordpress is almost an entrenched player now. Squarespace is the one trying to take away Wordpress share, isn't it?
- Robert Scoble
Christian: I agree.
- Robert Scoble
squarespace is showing wordpress how to be a better hosted service -- *with their own product!*
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ankush: I don't agree that Bing is really disrupting Google that much yet. It's a nice thought, though, and it is a fun fight to watch, so I agree there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I still see a lot of Blogger blogs, but you're right. SquareSpace is making a big move.
- Brett Nordquist
this is why i like friendfeed
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Rackspace is taking place of Amazon in hosting :)
- ashish
Spotify trying to sneak up on iTunes/Amazon/Pandora
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
In location services I see Yelp making big moves into a place that Google owns right now, at least in my mind.
- Robert Scoble
Ashish: shhhhh.
- Robert Scoble
We need something to take a bit away from WordPress - too much insecurity stuff in the press recently
- Jalada
Ankush: we think alike, I had that on my whiteboard already.
- Robert Scoble
rackspace still has a pricing misconception demon to shake loose
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Are Wordpress and Drupal different castles?
- Peter Kelley
I love the cool ads on free squarespace blogs. Makes me think of blogspot in 2002
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I wish Rackspace would give me a huge amount of storage to host my blog, pictures and music, but make it affordable and easy to access from any device with internet.
- Brett Nordquist
drupal is being stormed by mindtouch - now that is a sleeper-awakening fight
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Brett: how is http://rackspacecloud.com not doing just that?
- Robert Scoble
Google is moving against Twitter by adding contextual streams to web pages via Scoble's favorite tool: SideWiki
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Mike: that's an interesting one. I don't watch mindtouch that much, I should do an interview with them.
- Robert Scoble
@bear: On Intranets or more generally, there are a lot of Drupal sites out there
- Peter Kelley
Robert: Checking that out now. Did not know about it.
- Brett Nordquist
Ankush: I don't agree there, but that's one to put on the board as a potential disrupter.
- Robert Scoble
Windows Mobile 6.5 was found dead in the moat.
- Brett Nordquist
peter - on the intranets - but that means they will bust out when the open-source side catches up with what they have commercially developed
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
robert - mindtouch is moving in all the right places and in the proper direction ;)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: give it a year regarding Bing -MS know how to commoditized better than anyone (as u know!)
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Got Brizzly on your whiteboard? I think they're up to something
- Jalada
First you have to define who's in the castle that is being taken over.
- Alex Scoble
yea, brizzly is looking at their feature set getting over shadowed by twitter doing a "me also" update
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jalada: I need a whole whiteboard on Twitter clients. Damn, did you see Tweetie 2.0 yet? You should, it's going to take over the iPhone app space for Twitter clients.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: it will be interesting to see what Seesmic does about Tweetie 2.0.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, Tumblr and Posterous are also disrupting Wordpress and Blogger.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Seen the coverage of it. Can't wait to get my hands on it. We're re-engineering our iPhone app at Twitterfall too, it's sure to give us some ideas ;-)
- Jalada
robert - :/ yea
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
VMWare/Spring Source are taking over the RedHat/JBoss castle
- Peter Kelley
For that matter what about threadsy? They are surely capable of disrupting the webmail market if marketed properly
- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Posterous is fantastic and i'm using it to replace Flickr in some areas.
- Brett Nordquist
I predict tumblr and posterous merging by the end of the year - they are just too awesome to fight each other
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Ankush: I heard threadsy had some performance issues, have they been ironed out?
- Jalada
Microsoft Office Web tries bringing in the battering rams, but isnt doing much right now against the heavily fortified walls of Google Docs
- Kevin Traver
Mike: I have some ideas, but they require you guys to become curation tool before Tweetie gets there.
- Robert Scoble
Last.FM is storming the Pandora castle.
- Brett Nordquist
glassfish+(scala,jpython,jruby) is owning the bare RoR scene
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin, I see Google Docs as breaking over the castle wall into Microsoft territory right about now, actually. :-)
- Robert Scoble
robert - yes, we need to become the goto place for both current and historical data flow
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Cloud computing is like a fog that's obscuring the view between castles. When the fog lifts, no telling whose castle will be left standing and who will be crushed.
- Paul Blasman
from iPhone
But Microsoft's castle is so big they still aren't worried. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Cloud Computing is just a tool to get over the wall. :-)
- Robert Scoble
bear - I think Groovy/Grails are doing a better job of storming the ROR castle and many other web framework castles besides
- Peter Kelley
cloudcomputing allows you to take the battle off the ground and just go *around* the others
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: It's a magical tool that everyone says is great, but then find it's too small to get over big walls.
- Jalada
peter - hmm, then i'm not watching enough Groovy/Grails shops to get wind of that - i'll have to adjust
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
is Netflix on your whiteboard?
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: no, but it is now.
- Robert Scoble
rssCloud/Hubbub? Not companies though...
- Jalada
Jalada: that's like Cloud Computing: a tool to help you get over the wall.
- Robert Scoble
jalada - IMO that's a minor battle between what type of pipe to use - only internet plumbers are worried about that
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: Redbox is pretty cool too. Used it before?
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: No, and I haven't used Roxio yet either.
- Robert Scoble
Google Analytics is taking over Omniture (maybe already taken over going by Omniture's Q1 earnings)
- MadhuIyer
One night DVD rentals for a buck. Red Box always seems busy no matter where I see them.
- Brett Nordquist
Redbox is for those that don't know what's good for them
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Oh and Fake Carol Bartz taking over Fake Steve Jobs
- MadhuIyer
Madhulyer: oh, I SO agree with that!
- Robert Scoble
verizon realizing before at&t that limits on the data flow just hampers profit increases
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Although @shitmydadsays is kicking both of their asses.
- Robert Scoble
according to my kids, the iPod Touch is replacing the Nintendo DS
- Brett Nordquist
I'm liking where Boxee is going with webtv. could be what appletv had hoped to be.
- michael sean wright
Boxee taking over tivo?
- ashish
Brett: I agree with them, it's certainly a threat Nintendo/Sony need to tackle
- Jalada
Yeah, Boxee and Bittorrent are definitely changing TV for a new generation.
- Robert Scoble
Renting physical media is not going to put a crack in anyone' wall.
- Paul Blasman
from iPhone
Jalada: This year we'll spend more in App Store games from Apple than games from Nintendo.
- Brett Nordquist
Hulu is taking over paid cable
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Google's archers try to fend off some incoming twitter boats
- Kevin Traver
but this proves to be difficult because the water in the moat is very unstable due to Google Waves
- Kevin Traver
Brett: us too. And Xbox.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Google Wave is super slow for me today. And totally unusable. I don't know about people who like it. I think they are all nerds. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Google Wave is to far out on the horizon - it still has a chance to sink itself or run up on the reef of complicated-UI
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This Friendfeed thread is taking over my social life!
- Brett Nordquist
I think they're handing out a new Wave (aha..) of invites today, slowly.
- Jalada
FriendFeed will take over something I hope
- Jay
Robert - yep, wave is for early adopter nerds
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jay: Can it still do that now it belongs in Facebook's castle?
- Jalada
Google Wave is just taking over people's ability of effectiveness...
- MadhuIyer
Jalada: How about..? FriendFeed should take over everyone's homepage.
- Jay
FriendFeed is a realm that joined the Facebook Castle so they could get some troops garrisoned inside their operation
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This castle analogy is brilliant
- Jalada
Mike: gearing up for pushing Twitter back over the wall. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of Google's guards cautiously watch Wolfram|Alpha in the distant horizon.
- Kevin Traver
Robert - yea, they saw the oncoming battle and decided to join forces
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
/me wonders if Robert has enough new ideas for interviews and articles yet
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Yeah, I was just checking to see if there was some wall breach happening that I wasn't familiar with.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin - and laugh
- Peter Kelley
some of these battles are good ol' "dig under the walls and let it slowly collapse" fights, while others are storm-the-gates assaults
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: At WordCamp Seattle two weeks ago, I was surprised to hear how many people were still on blogging platforms other than Wordpress. Assumed everyone was on WP already.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: Yeah, that's wacky. What were the most popular non-Wordpress ones? Any idea why they are still on those?
- Robert Scoble
Brett - at PodCamp Philly last weekend almost everyone was asking how to use WordPress and if they should move from Blogger to WP (amongst the new blogger scene)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Adobe Flash coming under attack from HTML/5 if the major players will stop their HTML/5 codec bickering. For example a Safari plugin to switch YouTube Video from Flash to Apple H.264 http://bit.ly/JlWVO
- Ed Millard
Robert: almost all I spoke with were on Blogger. A few on Typepad and many had created websites that were out-of-date.
- Brett Nordquist
Mike: I'm not surprised. Maybe still too difficult to roll your own WP install?
- Brett Nordquist
Ed - good one - yea, if the HTML/5 scene doesn't stop fighting they are going to cede all that work to Flash
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Brett - some of that plus also the latest security issues were a big concern
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike: Good point about security. Lots of talk about that as well. Still too many hurdles for the less technical.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett - agreed - I was pointing everyone to hosted solutions by asking them the question: Do you *really* want to become a SysAdmin as well as a blogger?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scobleizer's SUL taking over Twitter's SUL
- MadhuIyer
here's a challenge - let's talk about who's taking over what castle and *not* mention Twitter
- Dave Hodson
Madhulyer - and also true celeb's twitter lists taking over both of those SUL's
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Dave, wasn't Twitter mentioned in the first comment?
- Cristo
@Cristo - yup. I have Twitter fatigue; there must be other castles to storm out there
- Dave Hodson
Dave, I think I have castle storming fatigue.
- Cristo
I'm going to need some buffs if there's more castles to storm today.
- Brett Nordquist
/me puts down a fish feast and calls out for a table
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I think the Twitter fatigue is due to the fact that people constantly reference it. Sure it is growing, super cool, the-best-thing-eva, but what *else* is out there? How about the impact that a service like Aardvark is having/not having on Yelp for example?
- Dave Hodson
Dave: fair enough but let's see your ideas for castles being stormed that don't include the T-word anywhere? :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble - as I said, Aardvark and Yelp. I've been using Aardvark for a while now and I think they might be on to something.
- Dave Hodson
Dave: that's actually why I started this post, to see if there's any other battlefronts out there. Turns out there are. As to Yelp: I don't see @vark as a @yelp killer. I'm not even sure they are battling for the same thing. Most of the questions on @vark that I get have nothing to do with restaurants or places or businesses.
- Robert Scoble
I think @vark could disrupt Yahoo or Google search, though, and take away some revenue.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble - questions really depend on what you sign up for - I asked a question the other day about a good/quick place to eat near the Fillmore in SF and got several good replies right away. Yelp wouldn't really have helped me there. Plus the new iPhone app is pretty good. And not to be a total fanboy, but I really like the IM integration.
- Dave Hodson
Yeah, good point. I do love @vark, don't get me wrong.
- Robert Scoble
Surprised nobody mentioned the Kindle
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: good point!
- Robert Scoble
that atari thing my neighbours have is taking over my lightbrite.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Brett - or the new tablets coming out (and not the apple one either!)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike, who is making the new tablets? I've not heard much then.
- Brett Nordquist
Brett: there are a couple already out in EU by Archos. Gateway's tablet PC was leaked and there is the hopefully coming Crunchpad. Those are just off the top of my head
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Chrome is taking over someones castle. im not sure if its ie or Firefox
- Anthony Feint
How about on the SSD front, OCZ Vertex line vs Intel X25's
- Joe Hanink
Skype, cell and Google Voice are taking over traditional telco phone landline castle
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for all the MindTouch mentions folks. Scoble, happy to talk again. It's been quite a while. Ping me and let's set something up. Happy to meet up when I'm in your neighborhood again.
- Roebot
Scoble, more on MindTouch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch... and also watch some of the demos to the right of the page here: http://www.mindtouch.com/Solutio...
- Roebot
Meanwhile, MySpace is M.I.A. and no one gives a shizzle!
- Danny Minick
A New Web Tool to Take Control of Your Health - NYTimes.com
What is this "#fb" tag is see in so many Tweets now?
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its an facebook app, selective tweets get pushed to facebook
- sean percival
http://apps.facebook.com/selecti... will update your Facebook status if your Twitter status update contains #fb.
- Tudor Bosman
Selective tweets, which you need them as facebook status... there is an app for it on facebook! :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Facebook could just get over this by allowing users to associate their Twitter account in Facebook and selectively post to Twitter (like SocialToo is doing right now via our SocialToo Status: http://apps.facebook.com/socialt...). I'd love to have access to this via the API if you do it though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: The problem is that that is backwards. Nobody wants to selectively post to Twitter from Facebook. They want to selectively post to Facebook from Twitter. I update my FB status once every few days, max. I update Twitter maybe 10 times a day. Sometimes I want to update both, but I don't want to do it from FB, I want to do it from Twitter. The Selective Twitter Status app on Facebook does this perfectly. Just associate, then add #fb when you want to update both. It works, it's simple, it's effective.
- Otto
Otto, yes, that is your opinion - I have my own numbers that support my claim.
- Jesse Stay
As much as it pains me to say it, Otto is right. Selective Twitter does exactly what people want to do, and how they use the services. There's no reason to go in the other direction, and it's folly to try to push things in the wrong direction.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, yes, that is your opinion - I have my own numbers that support my claim.
- Jesse Stay
If only I could selectively post my friendfeed to facebook, instead of the all or nothing setting now.
- Christian Burns
Christian, you do, if you use the Selective Twitter Ap, then you just have to check the "post to twitter" box, and add the post to facebook tag.
- Matthew DeVries
Testing selective Friendfeed posting to Twitter and then to facebook now #fb
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Selective Twitter Status has 31,879 monthly active users. I'd say those numbers are pretty darned good, Jesse.
- Otto
It reminds of the South Park ep where everyone started sitting on their food and spitting out poo. Just let things run in their natural direction.
- Matthew DeVries
What I want is to post links from ff to fb but not every single Twitter update,
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I've always wondered this myself
- Mitch
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Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I hear Phil Windley and Craig Burton are going to be on today's Gillmor Gang.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sounds like a great show!
- Rob La Gesse
Hi Steve
- Keith Teare
i've been missing the live action but the transcript from the last show was a fun read
- Brian Hendrickson
"[Google] Wave is saying, okay, our structure model is (unintelligible) " lol @kevinmarks http://bh.ly/0w
- Brian Hendrickson
@Scobleizer - got a Wave invite for me?
- Keith Teare
i want a wave invite...she whined.
- Karoli
Does whinining work?
- Cliff Gerrish
guess we're going to find out. LOL
- Karoli
So the discussion is SideWiki, not Wave -- Google still the topic.
- Cliff Gerrish
SideWiki is a blogging tool.
- Kevin Marks
wonder when SideWiki will come to my chrome. want it.
- Christopher Harris
I was just about to say that. SideWiki. . .
- Ron Hudson
Although, it's not really a wiki.
- Cliff Gerrish
dont believe the hype ;)
- sull
Seems like SideWiki, Echo and Disqus all do something similar.
- Cliff Gerrish
The web will become like Wings of Desire - We will all be able to listen to everyone's mind.
- Arnie Klaus
Just wrote a Sidewiki entry on "Category Archives: Real-time" http://bit.ly/12HDF
- Ron Hudson
We are thinking about you!
- Arnie Klaus
Amorphous
- Arnie Klaus
you guys should call up Leo Laporte and bring him into this conversation
- Brian Hendrickson
I don't even understand the concept of chat gathered around the Gillmor Gang any more. Do they mean the comments on this post?
- Matt Terenzio
Tina says KEVIN NEEDS TO SLOW DOWN!
- Cliff Gerrish
invisible backchannels
- Kevin Marks
Okay.
- Matt Terenzio
sorry wasn't making fun of you kevin!
- Brian Hendrickson
The difference between Sidewiki and Echo and Disqus is that Disqus and Echo give control over what get displayed to blog owner.
- Robert Scoble
I wrote a side wiki for the /realtime page. There is no way to edit it?
- Ron Hudson
But Sidewiki isn't something you add to your blog, it's just a portal that a small subset of users use to look at it
- Brian Hendrickson
I'd like to see SideWiki allow WebHooks, so when you submit a post it can also update another service ... Kind of like Posterous
- Ideas At Random
Control is an illusion.
- Cliff Gerrish
Echo and Disqus can bring the sidewiki feed back into it
- Kevin Marks
I's not controlling conversation I object to just reaching across a network and changing the way my content is displayed. I have no objections to a client side mashup or even a peer to peer
- Matt Terenzio
You do have control over what you write. You don't have control over what OTHER PEOPLE write.
- Ken Sheppardson
SideWiki is MOST dangerous because it isn't RSS-enabled, and there's no way to properly monitor it.
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki has a feed for every page and for every user, wrong Ike
- Kevin Marks
Y'all realize Diigo has been doing this same thing for a couple years now, right? Folks just haven't objected because they don't know about it. There will *always* be side converasations you don't know about that you can't control.
- Ken Sheppardson
framing is wrong. I format my content to browser size (just devil's advocate, I don't do that)
- Matt Terenzio
Kevin, I have yet to see the feed.
- Ike Pigott
It's not "framing", it's a browser add-in. Only those who've chosen to install the "app" see it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble seems to advocate ignorance as a blissful state.
- Cliff Gerrish
Nice nodes, Robert
- Ross Mayfield
what do you want a feed for, Ike? Which page?
- Kevin Marks
Gillmor suggests by his actions just now that there needs to be a judge(ment). Where is the referee.
- Arnie Klaus
You could build a similar service that displays the comments from FriendFeed related to a specific page in the sidebar. IT's the same API http://ffcheck.com uses. Would you object to that, Robert?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd be interesting if SideWiki was a wiki
- Ross Mayfield
why would that make you interesting?
- Brian Hendrickson
as long as they don't change the display of my content, I think it's fine.
- Matt Terenzio
SideWiki is really more of a palimpsest.
- Cliff Gerrish
What is the difference between sidewiki and just twittering with a #scobleizer tag?
- Ron Hudson
I am choosing to go to site A and I am choosing to install sidewiki. Why should site A control what I see there?
- Ryan
You still have control over that frame, Robert. You don't (i.e. shouldn't) have control over my sidebar.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm stuck on bandaid.
- Jay Cuthrell
cuz bandaid's stuck on me
- Jay Cuthrell
Yeah, Ken you are right
- Matt Terenzio
Robert - remember when I closed my FriendFeed account and you argued that I deleted YOUR comments stream?
- Rob La Gesse
Nobody's modifying what you're trying to display. There's a supplemental app that's displaying additional information about your page, Robert. And you have nothing to say about it, nor should you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert's totally right. Rock on
- Stephen Pickering
Ken, bullshit
- Stephen Pickering
You'll have to make a logical argument, Stephen. Epithets don't work.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's his page
- Stephen Pickering
That was MY post that the comments were attached to. I deleted that linkage - which affected you, and you were pissed :)
- Rob La Gesse
It's my browser and desktop.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's defacing his page
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin, I just tried plugging URLs into that API, and it doesn't pull.
- Ike Pigott
He delivered his page to my browser the way he wanted, once on my browser I can do anything to it
- Ryan
you need to escape the :// stuff
- Kevin Marks
Google Toolbar = evil :)
- Rob La Gesse
Aren't all audiences shared, and the audience owns itself?
- Ross Mayfield
You already do anything you want with pages in your browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
But ken if a plugin said, here Google take this page I want and add all the extra metadata to it and return it to me. That is wrong. It's different than a local client gathering content and displaying the way the enduser wants. technicality, but that is law. and I'm no lawyer
- Matt Terenzio
sidewiki isn't part of anybody's blog. it is an abstraction layer that becomes visible when a sidewiki user visits the blog
- Keith Teare
Do I have the "right" to install ad-blocking plugins? Do I have the "right' to install Greasemonkey or Stylish to change fonts and background colors?
- Ken Sheppardson
I did escape it: http://www.google.com/sidewik...
- Ike Pigott
Robert is trying to say sidewiki is like yelp gluing reviews to restaurant doors.
- Ron Hudson
Sidewiki is defacement
- Stephen Pickering
Yeah, why do all these geeks even have Google toolbar, anyway?
- Matt Terenzio
Who needs Sidewiki?
- Jonathan Brown
no, you need the full URL with trailing slashes and everything
- Kevin Marks
Spamwiki?
- Arnie Klaus
No one
- Stephen Pickering
actually, Robert's password IS his phone number :)
- Robert J Taylor
But *I* as the reader, am the one making the choice to "deface" the page. It's not as if every visitor is being forced to read those comments. It's MY CHOICE to see them.
- Ken Sheppardson
I did that too, Kevin. It didn't resolve, didn't pull in the very comment I left.
- Ike Pigott
100% correct Ken
- Ryan
SideWike is Google stepping in the same pile of dogshit that others have stepped in before.
- Rob La Gesse
Imagine if Yelp went around gluing reviews to restaurant windows! Absurd!
- Ron Hudson
There's money in blogs?
- Jay Cuthrell
How about Instapaper, which bookmarks your page and reformats it for mobile browsing. Is that "allowed"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken that would be fine if you were the only one who could read your defacement or see it
- Stephen Pickering
I feel VERY sorry for the first company to get hammered in SideWiki during crisis communications.
- Ike Pigott
Your defacing it and the public can see it
- Stephen Pickering
Robert we are with you.
- Ron Hudson
btw, I'm using Sidewiki on this FriendFeed page
- Ross Mayfield
Ike, they will be hammered somewhere else anyway
- Kevin Marks
No you are not Stephen, if someone doesn't have sidewiki installed they can't see it
- Ryan
No, it's not the "public", it's all those users who've made the choice to view a conversation in a sidebar related to your page.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not defacing the site - but MOVING the conversation - which affects branding, value, etc
- Rob La Gesse
so its not defacement for all
- Ryan
But if they do have sidewiki they do
- Stephen Pickering
So you don't ever talk about blog posts or web pages on FriendFeed then, right, Stephen?
- Ken Sheppardson
then they choose to see that content, it wasn't forced on them
- Ryan
OK, at the count of three, everyone uninstall Google Toolbar. Then they will just build it into Firefox. And BECOME MS
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, you're right -- but THOSE posts and comments will be more easily sortable, findable, and addressable. SideWiki is way too chaotic. And since all the SideWiki comments live on GOOGLE domain, they will show up in search eventually!
- Ike Pigott
Ken, hell yes, I do, but that's on FriendFeed and not on somebody's site
- Stephen Pickering
"we had no choice" is the critical aspect that isn't being addressed by wider audiences
- Jay Cuthrell
If I told you that I was using the FriendFeed API to retrieve and display all conversations related to the page I'm visiting in my sidebar, would you object to that, Stephen? See http://ffcheck.com
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Ken, but just because you ask me, I can't legally send a copy of something to you. Not saying they do this here, but I bet they want to soon if they mix it with search data and deliver ads, for example
- Matt Terenzio
They don't all live on Google's domain - that was my point about http://oneforty.com where SideWiki shows the TechCrunch RWW et al posts
- Kevin Marks
people who publish web pages need to host a more friendfeed-like discussion experience if they want to counter the sidewiki effect
- Brian Hendrickson
Steve - that IS an economically feasible plan
- Rob La Gesse
I just made a comment on this chat using side wiki http://bit.ly/V8TWq but I don't see anyone else's
- Ron Hudson
Ron - what I said
- Brian Hendrickson
Quoting @GinaTrapani: "Prediction: Google Sidewiki will go the way of Google Knol (ie, you'll never hear about it again)"
- Mike Doeff
SideWiki is poised to become Yahoo message boards or YouTube comments
- Robert J Taylor
SideWiki is so Cuil.
- Ike Pigott
Good. There will be a hell of a push back if it does take off
- Stephen Pickering
This whole industry that attempts to monetize content by framing it in a particular context, i.e. wrapped by ads, is sorta doomed, IMHO. In the long run.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian I don't see your posts. just mine
- Ron Hudson
Yeah, so what's next, Ken, Google will put its own ads on my site?
- Stephen Pickering
No. I'm saying ads are dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
I posted a direct link to a Sidewiki comment I added here.
- Ike Pigott
please move on.
- sull
Ike - when I clicked the link then I saw your link, but not mine or anyone else's
- Ron Hudson
everything is a "backchannel"
- sull
Ron, I refreshed the page, and no one else's SideWiki entries are displayed.
- Ike Pigott
Don't backchannel me bro!
- Robert Scoble
Which URL did you use, Ike? I think there are number of different URLs/views.
- Ken Sheppardson
Scoble uses the backchannel to request we not backchannel him.
- Cliff Gerrish
Life is a backchannel.
- Ken Sheppardson
I have no idea what that means.
- Ken Sheppardson
"Don't backchannel me bro!" tshirts would sell well I bet.
- Jay Cuthrell
"Don't backchannel me bro! - Robert Scoble" - heh
- Rob La Gesse
pretty soon we won't know what is true and who said it! we are doomed!
- Matt Terenzio
What about DotSpots? Introduced at least year's TC 50 and finally launched a few weeks ago... http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Mike Doeff
I have to take several ibuprofen every day for my backchannel problem.
- Jerry Schuman
Ken, find me the feed for this link: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b...
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki turns blogs into Fox News
- Rob La Gesse
Mike -- DotSpots is the same issue as well. Very good catch.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, what does SideWiki with Wikipedia mean?
- Robert J Taylor
Sidewiki is the new standard for comments on all websites. Just install a Wordpress plugin for bringing Sidewiki entries into your blog comments.
- Charbax
I see yours now Ike, I commented on a different url. SideWiki #fail
- Ron Hudson
No Rob... SideWiki turns blogs into subway cars, in a town that sells permanent infrared spraypaint.
- Ike Pigott
All systems need calibration or the noise takes over.
- Arnie Klaus
ooooookay
- Jay Cuthrell
we know that, but is it legal?
- Matt Terenzio
Ike - nice
- Rob La Gesse
"You're so 10 mins ago" <- this is Real Time, after all :)
- Robert J Taylor
knew VRM would make it in here!
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki will never take off and even if it does, there will be so much push back just like the digg framer that they will discontinue it
- Stephen Pickering
Jay, yeah DotSpots raises the same issues but nobody is talking about them because they're relatively unknown (unlike Google)
- Mike Doeff
I hope Google puts SideWiki in Firefox. That will be the start of the anti-trust investigation
- Rob La Gesse
Sidewiki or something like it will absolutely take off, you just won't know about it.
- Ken Sheppardson
I see the other comments now
- Ron Hudson
Can't we sell in the sidewiki?
- Arnie Klaus
My browser is not your place of business, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
plugin functionality is quickly being surpassed by things like Comet/AJAX, so what's next.. who can write AJAX?
- Jerry Schuman
but my site is my place of business (so to speak)
- Robert J Taylor
Your browser isn't but when you can use it to deface his website, it is his place of business
- Stephen Pickering
Jeez... we're going in circles yet again..
- Ken Sheppardson
Google isn't as well known as we'd like to think. Sidewiki should be enabled on every news article ever created. Every news article should have a Wikipedia stub. If Google assists, fine... but I'd rather see the overlay be outside control of any one company.
- Jay Cuthrell
Friendfeed can easily bring sidewiki entries inside friendfeeds feeds
- Charbax
I wish that death spiral would accelerate.
- Jerry Schuman
I'm drawing a moustache on Robert Scoble right now.
- Cliff Gerrish
This is about as useful as wave. I'm out.
- Ron Hudson
There will be so much push back on this you won't believe it. This will be taken to court and Google ruled against
- Stephen Pickering
Charbax: And FriendFeed in a sidebar can essentialy replace Sidewiki
- Ken Sheppardson
What nonsense that guy just said
- Stephen Pickering
I just pushed SideWiki into my Friendfeed, and my Friendfeed spools into my SideWiki profile, and it hasn't caused me any probl
- Ike Pigott
Transient logic... next big push.. data push first.. logic push next.
- Jerry Schuman
it is a document that is being passed across the web, despite how complicated the creation and distribution is. ultimately it is html and javascript
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki needs to bring in Google Reader comments related to the "post"/page it's displaying. That'd be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
the document comes from a location, or multiple locations
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki already brings in relevant related blog posts from blogsearch/google news
- Charbax
Isn't the location metaphor broken, just like the silo metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
we're resurrecting "compound document" architectures ala OpenDoc
- Jerry Schuman
Right. Firefox? What?
- Jay Cuthrell
I think anyone disclosing that would be subject to whisteblower status.
- Jay Cuthrell
Someone has to host all the web's comments, I'd rather it be Google than Facebook.
- Charbax
Charbax - I would prefer it is distributed
- Rob La Gesse
maybe microsoft is the new microsoft and google is slightly changed google
- Matt Terenzio
Okay... I'm out. (please allow me to continue with my fantasy that anyone noticed I was in)
- Ike Pigott
Bye Ike.
- Cliff Gerrish
Do we truly care who hammed a nail? Or do we mostly care that the nail was hammered properly? (pertaining to "identity")
- Jay Cuthrell
I'd prefer that comments be distributed, and when you view an "entry" or some chunk of content, all the associated, linked comments on and items related to that item can be pulled from wherever they live and displayed for me, subject to filtering I define.
- Ken Sheppardson
You can just load the comments from Google's Sidewiki server by simply copying from the RSS feeds.
- Charbax
we don't want nails, just weak glue
- Matt Terenzio
"please show your comment card"
- Jay Cuthrell
Webmasters should not be able to filter comments. That's the whole point. Power to the people, not the current establishment of the web
- Charbax
NASCAR?
- Jay Cuthrell
I love the fact that if you run Kevin's twitter id through a twitter sentiment tool he's categorized as "post-graduate" ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
that was google worthy :)
- Jay Cuthrell
The NASCAR problem is the zillions of identity logins available on sites supporting openid.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff - yeah that was the first google hit :)
- Jay Cuthrell
Hey Ken, are you coming to IIW?
- Cliff Gerrish
I wonder how NASCAR feels about that? ;-) I didn't get that as a top hit relating to mechanical engineering or marketing elements related to car racing.
- Jay Cuthrell
I might... I should.... Nov 3-5 at the Comp History Museum?
- Ken Sheppardson
Amazing. http://www.google.com/search...
- Jay Cuthrell
Can you /sidewiki/ sidewiki?
- Jay Cuthrell
Damn you Steve!
- Rob La Gesse
Ownership of content is dead.
- Ken Sheppardson
Yes, Ken. I'll be at IIW.
- Cliff Gerrish
This event was Tricasted thanks to NewTek!
- Rob La Gesse
Could you check the audio sync before posting this on Youtube? all the other Gillmor Gang Youtube videos seem to be out of sync
- Charbax
Good show.
- Mike Doeff
This show was TriCasted :) ... like that
- Robert J Taylor
i'll have to pick it up on the rerun. deadlines and doctor's appointments intervened.
- Karoli
Charbax google is working on fixing
- Steve Gillmor
Google/YouTube is looking in to the sound sync problem. It's happend on a number of other videos too.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is there an rss feed to download the videos from YouTube yet?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Christian: You can be notified of a new upload via this RSS feed: http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds...
- Jack
Really interesting show.
- Amyloo
Still listening to the show, but one idea that doesn't seem to have been brought up on the sidewiki debate is the fact that I can create a custom CSS template for a page (Scobleizer.com for example) and even further change and/or modify a website's appearance and look. What happens when Google creates a proverbial "sideCSS" widget to allow everyone easy access to modify the look of...
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- Chris Aldrich
Doesn't RSS already strip all the formatting from a website in order to transport one level of value?
- Cliff Gerrish
Not every site has RSS. haven't you heard it's dead?
- Matt Terenzio
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Love that site! Duct tape fixes everything.
- rowlikeagirl
I'm from Louisiana, and have personally witnessed the healing power of duct tape on everything from broken toilets to cemetery gravestones.
- Jeff Guin
These are so great :)
- Christian Burns
I am guilty of the Duct Tape to fix the fridge door shelf and the zip ties to fix anything else
- Christian Burns
Old health insurance monthly payment: $664. New payment after renewing: $994.09. FML. Someone fix this.
Is that the rate given to all self-employed families, or is that higher because of your medical histories?
- Sparky, a big deal
Standard rate for a 2-person company group insurance (which is cheaper than a self-employed family rate, believe it or not.)
- Andru Edwards
who did you go with?
- Christian Burns
We've been on Regence for like...3-4 years now. I tried looking at another, but the savings was less than $50 a month. Granted, I suck at wading through health insurance plans. :(
- Andru Edwards
Depending on what you monthly needs are you should compare what you pay out vs a high deductible Health Savings Account.
- Christian Burns
https://www.lifewisewa.com/lwwa... Here you go
- Christian Burns
Looking at it now
- Andru Edwards
You need to be a genius to listen to find out how to listen to the Gillmor gang these days. Go to Building-43/Ustream/FriendFeed/have a T1
That's what the Bootleg feed is for. The fans that cant stop their life for realtime :)
- Christian Burns
@JMatthewRiva Steve does the show for his own amusement, not for distribution. So I started recording the shows here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
Jack, can you bootleg newsgang live?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I don't listen to the show, but maybe if people want it I could.
- Jack
Newsgang live is some of my favorite people. Miss hanging out with them, and just what to listen in.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Steve has uploaded NewsGang here: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jack
Bootleg Gillmor Gang is on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/WebObje...
So jack, I will be honest. It looks like you have taken the republishing of the Gillmor Gang too far. These older episodes are not cc licensed and should not be put up on archive.org now having an unauthurised iTunes feed called gillmor gang is flat out bad news. It's confusing for his brand. You should really name the feed something else.
- Christian Burns
I tend to agree with Christian, I think this might be one too much. That people are going out of their way to get a continuous incoming Gillmore gang, as a time-shifted podcast, should be a wakeup call to Steve. I will say right now, this is one podcast I would pay for receiving regularly, as a podcast.
- Robert
The old episodes I posted are all ones that were originally broadcast on Twit Live, so presumably cc. I only posted them after Steve/Mike(?) took http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com down. I have renamed the RSS http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... to "Bootleg Gillmor Gang" and this should update the itunes title soon if it hasn't already. If Steve doesn't like the show on itunes he can click "Report a concern"
- Jack
According to itunes the Bootleg feed to more popular than the Newsgang feed (I don't know what that says though). Feedburner reports 200 subscribers to the above feed and 350 downloads of this weeks show (106 of the first part 250 of the second) and 546 total downloads. The link Mike posted to part2 of that show: http://bit.ly/info/2nhNLw has almost 3900 clicks.
- Jack
And also I have cloned the original feed to give it a different address: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Bootleg...
- Jack
Edited to remove exclamation mark and clarify, but the itunes link is only as people find listening to podcasts difficult (according to Leo)
- Jack
Good, that should be enough of a change.
- Christian Burns
thanks jack
- Christopher Harris
NewsGang Live @ 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Derrick Peters, Susan Beebe, andy brudtkuhl and 18 other people liked this
I know I'll be there, NGL at 1pm.
- Cliff Gerrish
See you there, gang!
- Tom Milsom
Today? On Tuesday? Has it moved from Thursday? (per building43.com/realtime)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - we're doing NewsGang Live in a few minutes. Thursday is still Gillmor Gang
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ah. Got it. Missed the "News" part :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Echo. Fixed.
- Ken Sheppardson
yay!
- Francine Hardaway
Weird hearing everybody at the same time again.
- Ken Sheppardson
Nice for us all to be back!
- Rob La Gesse
What a little cutie pie.
- Amyloo
Great to hear these voices again.
- Mike Doeff
Watching this live :)
- Robert J Taylor
It feels just like 2008 except that Obama won!
- Michael Pinto
Those of you on video - get your mouse cursor off your faces :)
- Rob La Gesse
where is the video for Francine Hardaway - we need to see the dogs!
- Michael Pinto
Is there a link to Tom's material?
- Mike Doeff
Thanks Ken
- Mike Doeff
brilliant and poignant tune
- Eran Even-Kesef
The Internets Got Talent with Steve Gillmor
- Dave Martin
Two fer Tuesday!!
- Matt Terenzio
Excellent
- Amyloo
claps
- Mike Doeff
I just got home, anything happen? Too many interviews packed into today.
- Robert Scoble
Unless Phil can sing his response I think it's unfair
- Michael Pinto
robert they've just been getting started
- Michael Pinto
Robert - You missed introductions and Tom's song.
- Ken Sheppardson
All depends on your perspective Robert
- Matt Terenzio
phil why are you opposed to a public option?
- Eran Even-Kesef
@MichaelPinto - sounds like Phil's rapping his response :)
- Robert J Taylor
I'll just listen in.
- Robert Scoble
Intros - Steve, Michael Markman, Karoli, Francine Hardaway, Rob La Gesse, Tom Milsom and Phil Windley. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
where is loren feldman?
- HansVanRock
loren was on last week
- Michael Pinto
Loren has been on GillmorGang. That's Thursday. This is NewsGang
- Ken Sheppardson
@Hans - tending to puppets? *shrug*
- Robert J Taylor
well, then a loren puppet would be cool
- HansVanRock
loren is deep into the study of his Shari Lewis videos
- Dave Martin
@Hans - yep :)
- Robert J Taylor
so what you are saying is that we need a public option, if medicare and medicaid needs to come into the debate
- Eran Even-Kesef
it's not so much the republicans - but the lobbyists for the health insurance companies, keep in mind that many blue dog Dems are the problem
- Michael Pinto
yes a few blue dogs and ALL republicans are opposed
- Eran Even-Kesef
Failing the senate 60 they will be pushed into reconciliation
- Dave Martin
Phil? Explain, specifically, why you feel a free market is so essential for our HEALTH? We discuss this like there's some mystery about alternatives. Canada's system is less than perfect, but try finding an unhappy Canadian. You can't. Why is that? Why do THEY make it work, but we can't? Explain that to us. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
- Shoq
Rudy is just adding noise to the debate
- Michael Pinto
jet plane overhead
- Tina Chase Gillmor
as long as you dont need to use your plan in a serious way, you will remain happy with the plan
- Eran Even-Kesef
The seniors are upset. They don't want cuts to Medicare.
- Francine Hardaway
Phil is right in that Harry Reid hasn't done a good job of making thecase
- Michael Pinto
I dont thinks cuts to medicare are seriously on the table, part of the death panel myth
- Eran Even-Kesef
the longer the issue drags on the longer it looks like you don't know what you're doing - so it has hurt, look at the poll numbers
- Michael Pinto
Without seniors there's no profit in the system, that's the dirty little secret. The system is built on the backs of those most in need.
- Dave Martin
half white
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Triggers are the mid-term cycle hedge
- Dave Martin
Peter B Lewis's Progressive Insurance offers thousands of employees great plans for under $100 a month. Now why can HE do that, and not the rest of our employers? I don't know the answer, but I suspect it's because it's an HONEST insurance company working on volume, with constraints that prevent them from gambling with the pool of money. A public option can work the same way, and that's why the Insurance industry simply won't stand for a public option. Fairness is unfair competition to them.
- Shoq
those 10 points are very real if you're running in 2010
- Michael Pinto
Read this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...
- Francine Hardaway
Triggers are bullshit. Before a trigger could ever kick in, they'd change the rules. It just plays into the industry's hegemony over the process.
- Shoq
we lost Markman...trying to get him back
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve, It's a moral issue
- Dave Martin
5 jets in five minutes
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How can @kr8tr think they'll be happy with anything less than a total takeover of the whole healthcare system? ;-)
- Robert J Taylor
Karoli - you're unmuted again
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Why can't we address the people in need through our existing Social Security system? If you are in need of healthcare, apply for it through social security. We can put into place some income guidelines, etc. pretty easily.
- Stephen M. Otto
Phil. Republicans have been saying that for 60 years
- Shoq
"dealing with the people who most need it" would just mean dumping more money into SS and Medicaid, no? Or are we talking about some new benefits program? If the problem is systemic, you can't just treat a symptom.
- Ken Sheppardson
there's not universal support for that from health insurance companies
- Michael Pinto
Health insurance is NOT Healthcare. http://www.blondetwit.com/2009...
- Shoq
You guys are so last year. Mark Foley just got his own radio show :)
- Shoq
Having not read the entire blondetwit post, I'll just point out that I've always thought "health insurance for pre-existing conditions" is sort of an oxymoron.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I am confident that the other issues can be addressed by removing gov restrictions from insurance...let insurance be offered across state boundaries, increase competition. If you find yourself without the ability to get coverage due to a pre-existing condition, this could also be addressed by applying for coverage through this suggested extension of social security. Also: tort reform.
- Stephen M. Otto
Getting a show means very little, the ball game is attracting, sustaining a competitive audience; stay tuned ;-)
- Dave Martin
Rob La Gasse, has the most reasonable argument, dealing with those who are currently uninsured should be the first priority
- Eran Even-Kesef
Stephen: I was just addressing Rob's comment that we just deal with the folks who most need it and not try to fix it all at the same time. The fundamental problem, BTW is we have lots of problems that can't be solved in 4 to 8 years. Our system is unable to deal with stuff that requires consistent objectives and approaches over a longer period.
- Ken Sheppardson
tort reform would prove to be a third-rail issue for the dems in the mid-terms
- Dave Martin
Cost controls are simply bullshit. They've talked about cost controls for 40 years. Medicare has NO ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE PRICES. WTF are you talking about?
- Shoq
Eran: we have an infrastructure in place for this. It's called Social Security, complete with Administrative Law Judges, case workers, etc.
- Stephen M. Otto
People want access to the current healthcare our country has today...we've got to be careful that we don't change the quality of care while providing access...
- Robert J Taylor
Dave. more bullshit from the past. Medical malpractice is not even 1% of medical costs. That's anoteher lie to give the right more favors for OTHER business
- Shoq
Eran - and we have borrowed heavily against it.
- Rob La Gesse
Shoq: how can you quantify defensive medicine?
- Stephen M. Otto
So when can I listen to this? Let me guess, video only? I wonder if a bootleg will show up…
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Robert. our quality of care is not good compared to many other countries. We provide quality specialty care and suboptimal primary care and care for chronic disease.
- Francine Hardaway
Shoq - you're looking at it from a med costs pov when it's really important b/c it harms providers by reaching prohibitive levels of staying in business - ask any physician
- Dave Martin
The answer to defensive medicine is not to suddenly remove any remaining safeguards thee are. The vast majority of doctors are never sued. This is another distraction. Defensive medicine is just the latest rhetoric used by the AMA to dazzle the nation with bullshit.
- Shoq
Beautiful song, there is hope in the air!
- Eran Even-Kesef
You mean the physicians who own most of the MRI facilities in DC? When you have conflicts like that, you dont' deserve to be at the table. The entire system is bass akwards. It's not about health care. It's about profit-care
- Shoq
I second the motion
- Eran Even-Kesef
We talk about thisproblem as if the problem has no solution. We are the ONLY major nation without one, and its' simply absurd.
- Shoq
Shoq: You are right we are the only industrialized nation with out one, but we have a history of doing things differently, not always the best way.
- Eran Even-Kesef
thanks to everyone!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Shoq, yeah it's a damn shame we can't come up with a way to totally mess over all the shareholders of those profitable companies, esp those stupid investors that are on fixed incomes depending on distributions.
- Dave Martin
Eran, and that history is coming up pretty short. It's time to find another way. Because as steve points out, we can't afford this.
- Shoq
These shareholders were oblivious for years, allowing their boards to run us into the ground. At this point, it's just one more bubble to burst, as this country escapes the mass delusions of the past 30 years. You cannot run a nation out of balance, where most of the wealth and justice trickles up to the top, and only the shit trickles down. It cannot continue like this, and no 9th...
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- Shoq
I agree and I argue that the only solution is a universal healthcare model, unfortunatly, to many of us are blind, miss-informed and just plain greedy. Therefore a gradual approach that Rob suggested seems to be the only practical alternative.
- Eran Even-Kesef
By the way we have a simlair situation in our education system, where there is a 50% dropout rate in the urban areas, this is can also be directly corelated to the healthcare system, and for that matter an example of our parallel tiered societies. Gosh I am sounding very radical, even though I am not.
- Eran Even-Kesef
what Shoq said.
- Michael Markman
While we are fixing/rebooting/rethinking things, might as well throw down on education and the justice/penal systems
- Dave Martin
Dave-I agree with you, there is much that needs fixing
- Eran Even-Kesef
Getting meta here...this was a good show with good discussion -- good conversation in the chat, too. NOT typical for on-line politically-charged forums!
- Robert J Taylor
Hey everyone, next time I'll figure out how to comment and be on the show at the same time. My little muddled head couldn't multitask today, but I had a great time and really enjoyed the back and forth. I'd like to give Phil Windley huge kudos for having a great counterpoint and reasonable approach. thanks to all who listened, too.
- Karoli
I agree with Karoli. Reasonable, sane Republicans seem to be an endangered species. I'm sorry my contributions were so sparse. Tech problems on my end kept punting me from the call.
- Michael Markman
Tom Milsom (@hexachordal) has posted lyrics to the healthcare song he sang on newsgang live earlier today. http://bit.ly/ptEBO Says if there's demand, he'll post a recording, too.
- Michael Markman
Michael, I would LOVE a recording. That thing would be completely viral. Does he have a FB fan page?
- Karoli
we'll rerun at 1PM Pacific tomorrow.
- Steve Gillmor
Thank you for rerunning.
- Hilary Talbot
Not just for me (but I'll admit my motivation is because I can't see it), you might want to think about varying the time of the re-run, or adding more so they're not all at the same time on weekworkdays. If possible.
- Amyloo
I agree with Amyloo. Also, now that the show has an international panel, ythere's even more reason to provide reruns that play in a variety of time-slots.
- Michael Markman
NewsGang Live now replaying at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
cool show, thanks!
- Hilary Talbot
re incremental reform, sometimes it just doesn't work. I'm thinking of decimal conversion.
- Hilary Talbot
Hilary, I just wrote a post about how I think the best way to transition to single payer should go...on a state by state basis.
- Karoli
Thanks, Karoli, it's a good post. I can see state-by-state might be the most workable approach in such a ferociously complicated issue. It's easy for outsiders like me to forget how much independence exists in your state federal relationships.
- Hilary Talbot
Sad that I can't see this show. Wish I could.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Anyone have a recording of this?
- Michael Breslin
Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Jack
So the call in number will come through the private feed?
What private feed?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Alright, so who has an illicit podcast feed of today's (and future) Gillmor Gangs? Barring that, how 'bout somebody who recorded it and has a download link?
Nothing...although, from what I can gather, the show didn't actually happen today.
- Kurtiss Hare
from iPhone
There is this one: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... But yesterday's show was cancelled due to technical issues
- Jack
we're going to try and get it rolling again today. Also, the shows will be going up on YouTube and will be available for download. More as we figure it out.
- Steve Gillmor
Right on. Thanks, Steve.
- Kurtiss Hare
Jack, the interview from last week is not on the bootleg feed.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I have a lunch at 1PM so I'll miss the show.
- Dave Winer
looking forward to the next one when it happens - Steve is one of my favorite voices on the web - Dave... new bad hair day up somewhere?
- andrew
ah yes... http://badhair.us/2009... summize crushes google for real time.
- andrew
Christian: Is that the show about to be rerun (http://friendfeed.com/realtim...)? Otherwise does any one have a recording?
- Jack
A recording is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg...
- Jack
Re: Farewell CNET - http://andrewmager.com/farewel...
"Cool post. Really wondering what you are going to do next. What's weird is that when we connected on Twitter you were some guy that did stuff with a really cool newspaper for your school, then you got to go work with and meet EVERY one in San Fran it seemed. Keep on living the dream bro."
- Christian Burns
Re: Bad Hair Day #10 - http://badhair.us/2009...
"Really enjoyed that laid back extra content :) so I can't believe that you didn't know about the best iPhone podcatcher out there. It's called RssPlayer and it snuck into the app store after it was renamed. What don't you interview that developer? He is a cool guy."
- Christian Burns
I'm pleased to announce that when the Gillmor Gang returns this Thursday at 1PM Pacific, it will be sponsored by Rackspace and streamed live on Building43's new RealTime Network channel. We'll be doing some testing between now and then. First up is my conversation with FriendFeed-->Facebook's Paul Buchheit. MG Siegler's summary is here:...
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Sweetness!
- Stephen Pickering
Steve thank you for doing this! The world is a very dull place without the gang!
- Michael Pinto
Great to see The Gillmor Gang returning to the Interwebs! :) Will the episodes be available as audio and/or video podcasts for later downloading? Just in case I miss the live show...
- Daniel Chow
Will the Gillmor Gang be available as a mp3 download via podcast feed?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
PS Remember what we learned from Jason: Make it a point to tweet a thank you to @Rackspace
- Michael Pinto
:) Thanks, Michael. Rackspace is very pleased to help bring Gillmor Gang back to the 'tubes!
- Rob La Gesse
Rack 'em up. It's game on!
- Micah Wittman
Heck, yeah!
- Scott Greiff
Hope to see it available for download.
- Dan Cameron
Yay, I am so glad to that GG is back!! Wooo hoooo!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Glad the show is coming back and nice job on storming the castle for the Buchheit interview.
- Mark Krynsky
Looking forward to it...
- Wayne Sutton
yay!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
wonderful; and thanks rackspace
- w grant
GG Wikipedia page updated. :)
- Alex Harden
Glad to see this who back on the air
- Fred Grott
Since Steve never seems to respond to download questions can someone be sure to record it and torrent it or such, I've never understood the whole "real time is the new black if you're not here to catch the show live tough shit" unspoken message that seems to have been going on for awhile. I can't be the only one put off by this, the content is compelling, so I put up with it, I wish I had the willpower to not listen out of protest. :)
- Michael Breslin
i agree. or put it on the bootleg feed
- Sebastian Keil
from email
Could you record the video of the show and post it on your Youtube account?
- Charbax
Michael, I have responded. The shows will be published on YouTube and made available for download.
- Steve Gillmor
SCREW YOU Scoble...SCREW YOU!!!
- zxspectrum
Good to know Steve, I've seen the question asked so many times and never answered, I must have missed the time you did answer, my mistake, bottom line: I think the GG is the best thing on my ipod and when I can't get it on there and can't catch the show due to work it sucks. :)
- Michael Breslin
I commend Steve for his dogged pursuit of the Real time Web aka Infinity Chip, though it is brutally painful at times to follow and/or be part of every step along the way. I too vote for a nice simple "old school" rss feed for the audio only recording. Then again, I am probably missing the point.
- Jason Adams
Jason: only that the Gang is returning on video. Today I listened to a video cast of Meet the Press in the car, worked beautifully, and when I wanted to see the last few minutes of Kennedy footage, rewound and watched. Whether it is delivered by RSS or streaming is up to the user. In fact, it was easier to download directly via iPhone iTunes than synching the phone to the RSS feed on the Mac. Interestingly, it continues to download in the background while I go through email.
- Steve Gillmor
Was that Meet the Press video cast live? The issue of video versus audio is moot for me, if I don't feel like watching I don't have to, it's the time shifted aspect that people are always asking for Steve. It seems you're commited to get the show in downloadable form and that's all I was ever asking for. That the show is now in video format is great for many, I generally listen to the majority of content I consume (even if its format is video). Thanks again, can't wait for today's GG!
- Michael Breslin
gmail/google apps mail works fine with POP client, by the way. so there, those who laugh at me for using outlook http://daggle.com/moving-...
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enjoying my iPhone's IMAP Gmail access
- Steve Gillmor
Yeah. iPhone IMAP is working for me.
- Roberto Bonini
Gmail was down? I worked on my phone all day.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
So... should I say hi back? Seems like this lady is popular...
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It could be fun...lets see how it plays out Mr. Gray....lol
- Bill Heslin
She sounds friendly
- Jesse Stay
Hi
- Christian Burns
Was this captured through Evernote? LOL
- Bill Heslin
Hi there....sounds so Washington from Welcome Back Kotter Oh, you probably didn't watch that show, did you? :) You can only say hi if you promise to post all communication here. ;o)
- Sheryl
Nothing much.
- phil baumann
How you doing?
- phil baumann
from email
Hi
- Louis Gray
Twitter interaction at its finest
- Rick Bucich
Some folks do respond. http://search.twitter.com/search...
- Louis Gray
Mr. Kotte-eh!!! (John Travolta voice);
- Bill Heslin
Wonder if she asks how they're doing when they reply ;)
- Nicholas James
It appears she is not a bot, just a bore.
- DGentry
it might lighten her up
- testbeta
How YOU doin.
- Sarah is Novembery
Facebook 3.0 For iPhone Now Available On The App Store - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Finally!
- Christian Burns
Looks like my day to check out new iPhone apps. First Yelp, now Facebook, and then on to try Pocket Universe.
- Nalin Perera
Amazing, love the new interface.
- Nalin Perera
Re: Joe Hewitt on Bad Hair Day at 7PM (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Can you make this episode an hour long"
- Christian Burns
Re: Joe Hewitt on Bad Hair Day at 7PM (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"When will we be able to post to Twitter?"
- Christian Burns
Re: Joe Hewitt on Bad Hair Day at 7PM (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"Does ge feel guilty about turning my iPhone into a one app device?"
- Christian Burns
Getting ready for the Gillmor Gang airing live today at 1PM Pacific on building43: http://building43.com/realtim... Sponsored by @Rackspace
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Unfortunate timing - I teach a lab at that time. Will the shows be recorded and viewable after the live event?
- Ron Schott
Looking forward to it, not sure when I will actually get a chance to liten but good times all the same.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Looks like there's a brief test clip from a few minutes ago... sound check... nothing live here yet.
- Ken Sheppardson
Hm... video here http://www.ustream.tv/channel... but not embedded yet?
- Ken Sheppardson
Someone needs to remove the extra http:// from the link to this room
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
what bear said
- Brian Hendrickson
that's a filter so only smart people find it!
- Vezquex: God of FF
There we go. Refresh at http://www.building43.com/realtim... works
- Ken Sheppardson
category: Comedy
- Vezquex: God of FF
hmmm, I reloaded the page and the usteam embed disappeared
- David Stratton
did the show start? I can't see it at http://www.building43.com/realtim... #gillmorgang
- Brian Hendrickson
Not yet. http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- Ken Sheppardson
Working on a technical issue. Stand by.
- Rob La Gesse
I guess I should point out that the technical issue is NOT related to Rackspace :) Hee.
- Rob La Gesse
Soon?
- Web Pixie
What's the call in number to listen in?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Web Pixie - soon. We rebooted the Internet.
- Rob La Gesse
:)
- Web Pixie
Rebooted the Internet? Ugh, now ya gotta wait for those pending patches to be applied :)
- Robert J Taylor
Rob, while your waiting for the internet to reboot - can you fix the "http://http:// " link on the building43 page?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
@Mike - done - thanks. Silly me!
- Rob La Gesse
thanks
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
hey everybody. lots of old friend. feels good. will this be the thread to use for chat?
- Amyloo
Are we there yet?
- Web Pixie
I would rather a fresh thread.
- Vezquex: God of FF
I'll start a new thread that is dates to reflect this show, ok? We can all go pass time over there :)
- Rob La Gesse
OK, then. I'll pass out here.
- Amyloo
runs out to get a snack to reduce the "is it ready yet" negative energy flow
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
The new thread is where?
- Web Pixie
web pixie: http://friendfeed.com/realtim...
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What is an asshole? - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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This really is just...UNTHINKABLE.
- Cindy Current Griffin
Crikey Dave, I think that's the first post of yours I've 100% agreed with in ages :)
- Ian Betteridge
Ian -- I've noticed we're agreeing more and more. Something weird is going on. :-)
- Dave Winer
we have a rule .. at the firehall ,, never call someone an a--hole ... until they prove it too you ..
- johnpiercy
I wish this could fit on a bumper sticker, I'd put one on each of my vehicles (and I hate bumper stickers!). Well said Dave.
- jcunwired
It was my understanding that the Obama Hitler signs were from the LaRouche PAC folks
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Dave, if we carry on agreeing it will be like matter and anti-matter meeting - could be the end of the universe! Let's find something to disagree on, just to keep everyone safe ;)
- Ian Betteridge
The last sentence is the best.
- Brian Sullivan
Re: How to fix URL-shorteners, part II (Scripting News) - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
"I'm going to call that high productivity. Especially since you are in the middle of that crazy cold."
- Christian Burns
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