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hiya
- Kevin Marks
I have a place to sit and bandwidth at the w3c TPAC meeting; but I ned to nip to the bathroom for a couple of mins.
- Kevin Marks
back
- Kevin Marks
We will start shortly
- Robert Scoble
passing people like my microphone and comment on it... o_O
- Kevin Marks
you can't short GroupOn until it's been trading a while too
- Kevin Marks
maybe I should go outside by the pool now this lobby is full of people from the chatty people conference
- Kevin Marks
Hey guys
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian.
- Robert Scoble
what is klout's purpose ... who really cares ?
- studentforce
I know I have Klout when John Taschek returns my call
- studentforce
Tim Berners-Lee has 51 klout. mm-hm.
- Kevin Marks
how do they measure it ?? Quantity; quality ??
- studentforce
the problem with klout is that there really aren't many alternatives.
- Danny Starr
lol if you are basing anything like pay or hiring on klout, you're nuts and desire what you got when they changed it
- Danny Starr
ripples
- Christian Burns
an attempt at klout is worthless without incorporating personas.
- Jerry Schuman
Justin Bieber has a Klout score of 100.
- Alex de Soto
ripples - that sounds interesting
- studentforce
klout is fun for people that like their ego boosted :)
- Christian Burns
there is no specificity for klout scores...
- Jerry Schuman
http://giladlotan.com/2010...
- Kevin Marks
define high score
- Christian Burns
Beyonce used to be the big case against Klout because she had a huge klout score and a bunch of followers but never tweeted once
- Danny Starr
actually Hanson was 2000
- Jerry Schuman
how does one access 'ripples'
- studentforce
ripples are only available on Public posts in Plus... access them from the down arrow on the right of each post
- Jerry Schuman
the fact that Neilsen has never been a player in online analytics speaks volumes
- Jerry Schuman
I thought they owned one of the web tracking co's
- Kevin Marks
played is the verb
- Kevin Marks
script kiddies
- Jerry Schuman
sensor networks are the future...
- Jerry Schuman
Jawbone's new UP bracelet...
- Jerry Schuman
there's an XKCD fro that: http://xkcd.com/300/
- Kevin Marks
tied to a mobility platform
- Jerry Schuman
Aggregation 2.0 is going to be the next big disruption
- Jerry Schuman
Hanson - MMMMMM Bop - 1997 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... / Jerry
- John Taschek
I'm going to the "real" movies tonight. Tower Heist
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Netflix doesn't have 10% of the worlds movies, Obama needs to legalize piracy, then all the movies can just go up on YouTube or any other servers and you can get any movie for just paying $10/month through taxes
- Charbax
Amazon Prime type of yearly pricing should provide unlimited access to all ebooks, articles, text etc
- Charbax
Guess they started a bit earlier... time gets fuzzy. They came to birthday party for one of my daughters band mates which was around 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Jerry Schuman
Hanson still performs - they've actually matured as a band -- they are not bad.
- John Taschek
I heard they were actually very talented musicians
- Jerry Schuman
nice guys in person too...
- Jerry Schuman
Apple made it buggy
- Charbax
I never used Google Reader sharing features, now I will share lots of RSS stuff from Google Reader to Google+
- Charbax
expedient
- studentforce
Never touch Google reader since my Ipad with the Reeder app.... I've never consumed RSS more efficiently
- Jerry Schuman
and they have AWS which lowers their TCO for deploying those services and new offerings
- Jerry Schuman
Google Reader Trends are cool.
- Alex de Soto
the netflix price hike is because movie studios wanted more money. Why should netflix sell the subscription at a loss?
- Charbax
AWS is Amazon's equivalent to Apple's hoarding cash.
- Jerry Schuman
Have you seen the new BloombergTV app on iPad?
- Jerry Schuman
It's pitiful that Amtrak is just getting around to putting it on trains.
- Jerry Schuman
they have a nice iPad app for Hipmunk, Steve.
- Jerry Schuman
Arrived late, enjoi reading comments
- cliveb
Thanks! Jerry: yeah, the Bloomberg app is quite nice.
- Robert Scoble
was a real good show. Thanks Gang and thanks chat room guests. We all create a dynamic show togehter.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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hello
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hello?
- Kevin Marks
Starting up shortly.
- Robert Scoble
hot sunny day here in northern California
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin, you on Skype?
- Robert Scoble
Call in on NewsGang 3.
- Robert Scoble
kevin can you call in on NewsGang 3 please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hi there!
- Maciej Głuszek
OK
- Kevin Marks
Hi Tina!
- Aron Michalski
Hi all #gillmorgang
- Peter Dawson
hello!
- Hilary Talbot
Hellooo
- Kevin Costain
here we go
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Happy birthday Steve
- Michael Krigsman
lost connection
- Kevin Marks
I can hear the music in my head
- Christian Burns
Just a minute. Technical problems.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, technology :)
- Maciej Głuszek
Poor New Yorkers standing in line for iPhone 4S - the rain just started coming down quite hard
- Ankush Narula
be this test card, John: http://www.barney-wol.net/video...
- Kevin Marks
I think ustream is buggy too
- Christian Burns
Phone companies are trouble all the way round
- Michael Krigsman
I've been pondering this new iPhone. perhaps this device is in my future.. :)
- Kevin Costain
My 4s is waiting at home.
- Eric
if it has a bigger aperture, it may be less sharp
- Kevin Marks
Is that Nikon film camera we saw there?
- Michael Krigsman
F100 maybe?
- Eric
4S improvements were mostly for low-light shooting
- Ankush Narula
Turbo C for DOS is the best...:)
- Kevin Costain
"Steve Jobs's death increased sales of iPhone 4S" - that was funny
- Ankush Narula
Oh yea @Kevin.. I used that book in College (if I remember correctly).. great stuff..
- Kevin Costain
Page views online and eyeballs in print -- same motivators, different tools. Blah.
- Michael Krigsman
Michael: yup, it's a Nikon F2 made in the 1970s.
- Robert Scoble
I've had it 22 years, and I knew exactly where it was to take that photo
- Kevin Marks
Robert: obviously there is a story there
- Michael Krigsman
Say, I've been pondering the role of journalists as so-called "experts", but they actually don't do anything other than report on things other people actually do. Is there actually the large disconnect that I think there is?
- Kevin Costain
@Kevin - I have that book somewhere at home too... be hard to find it I think.. :(
- Kevin Costain
There is no current business model for profitable newspaper publishing, and people say blogging the replacement. However, there is also no business model for bloggers, in general. Seems that news has a little problem.
- Michael Krigsman
What if the college students ranked newspapers? http://wapo.st/rrFaXr
- John Taschek
The only ones still buying newspapers turns out to be newspapers… http://www.guardian.co.uk/media...
- David Berry
ActivityStreams Facebook style
- Ankush Narula
lost Kevin. Hope not for good
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Not to spread it more...https://plus.google.com/1126787...
- Alex de Soto
@Micheal - indeed, the business model for that stuff may be worth investigation.. but I speak more of those in the technology industry (that make money by making technology work, or making technology) and those that report ABOUT it. The line that those that report and those that do it seems to be less delineated.. something is up there though I'm probably not articulating it well enough. :)
- Kevin Costain
Steve Yegge deserves Pulitzer
- cliveb
Major manufacturers have ceased production of new motion picture film cameras; cinema as we once knew it is dead -- http://www.salon.com/2011...
- David Berry
BlackBerry crumble(s)
- cliveb
my mac kernel panicked. rebooted, trying skype again
- Kevin Marks
I see allot of these BOLD statements about technology almost for the sake of being bold.. but where is the substance behind it? Are these people making these bold statements ever in the position to have to back these things up?
- Kevin Costain
It's interesting that Google continues to develop Orkut: http://en.blog.orkut.com/
- Ankush Narula
why would google abandon 70M users of Orkut?
- Kevin Marks
agreed - but why wouldn't they transition them to G+?
- Ankush Narula
G+ has fewer features and a different friend model. would be a big transition. They are ending Buzz.
- Kevin Marks
Orkut is big out in South America right? Google seems to be dumping lots fo stuff lately.
- Kevin Costain
Brazil, India, Estonia...
- Kevin Marks
Most Brazilians I know have abandoned their beloved Orkut and even MSN Chat for Facebook and Facebook Chat
- Stephen Pickering
right, the more westernized ones go FB first. I've heard 'orkut is now the myspace of brazil'
- Kevin Marks
I do wish I had gone into Brazil when I was down in Boliva last April.. it was possible..
- Kevin Costain
and we're off the air?
- Ankush Narula
bringing it back up... trying
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Of the air for me (in Toronto, Ontario).... :(
- Kevin Costain
Gonna get Footloose, Cut Footloose. haha
- Kevin Costain
we're working on it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
should be momentary
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Oh, speaking of outages, RIM's was pretty rough. Essentially all of my customers hate Blackberry's now. Consumers are fickle.
- Kevin Costain
Roger McNamee was on CNBC this morning. Do we believe his forecasts?
- Stephen Pickering
is gabe sitting on a bouncy ball?
- Kevin Marks
Perhaps that will pass.. I guess the good thing is people's memories tend to be short.. and when they're locked into two and three year contracts, they won't remember this when it's time to renew.
- Kevin Costain
hang in there folks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Check this out.. Gmail just gave me an obvious SPAM message.. I checked more details and it says "Important mainly because it was sent directly to you.". I'm thinking, that's not too strict if that's all they're checking.. :)
- Kevin Costain
gabe is commissioning stories for techmeme now?
- Kevin Marks
Copycats, easy and low cost to create Apps and get Distribution, more freelancers than Startups.
- cliveb
Bummer that the stream is down.
- Robert Scoble
Hey how did Calacanis get a live youtube account?
- Stephen Pickering
techmeme posts tweets now
- Kevin Marks
we're still trying to bring the stream back up.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Its off the Air at Ustream now
- Mansoor
appreciate your patience. we're goin a bit nuts here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
here we go
- Tina Chase Gillmor
:)
- Kevin Costain
Yapeee...its back up!
- Mansoor
MG was good at turning ambient twitter conversation into blogposts. Is Gabe taking that over?
- Kevin Marks
how about that.
- Aron Michalski
Well, like him or not, Fred has integrity in the community. If he lost that, he wouldn't make Techmeme, I don't think
- Stephen Pickering
So what's happened with Techmeme? I have I missed something?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: exactly. Integrity is one of my favorite words.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: we always try to figure out what Techmeme is about. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hahahaha :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: What exactly is the arbiter of integrity?
- Kevin Costain
Dork Wars.
- Aron Michalski
haha.. who are you fighting.. ?
- Kevin Costain
Nas v Jay-Z?
- Eric
I think the arbiter of integrity is the sense they put truth and objectivity above money and personal gain
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: Integrity is "are you what you seem?" So, if you are a criminal, and everyone knows it, you have integrity. Now, if everyone thinks you are a Rabbi, but you actually are a criminal, then you don't have integrity.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: Indeed that is one nice definition of integrity.. but I'm more interested in what decides who does or doesn't operate with integrity?
- Kevin Costain
yeah - like Omar on The Wire - that dude had integrity
- Ankush Narula
someone flew a kite in the WSJ which gabe picked up. Maybe they were trying to get valuations down.
- Kevin Marks
Why is Steve getting more credit than Bill gates? Bill put a PC in the hands of villagers in developing countries. He put them in failing inner city schools. Steve Jobs put computers in the hands of the well-off.
- David Lloyd
I do know what it's like to live with integrity. Indeed, this is essential. But, when we have those out there and we lack personal involvement with these people. What helps me know that this person has integrity.
- Kevin Costain
look back to Apple II, David
- Kevin Marks
David: because Bill put products in my hand that crash and are ugly. He will get lots of love when he dies, too.
- Robert Scoble
There's usually 2 questions you need to ask yourself; 1) is this a pot of S&^t? and 2) Am I going to stir it?
- Aron Michalski
The "Beige" Boxes heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
I consider this more of a Klout thing. Klout being a measure of influence, right?
- Kevin Costain
Klout measures online popularity and topicality. I wouldn't go as far as saying it truly measures influence.
- Robert Scoble
But it gets us at least partway down that road.
- Robert Scoble
Eh. Bill Gates changed computing as much as Steve Jobs did - the love won't be the same for Bill because the Microsoft message has become about malware, "Product Activations", and sales channels
- Ankush Narula
the Mac was the first beige box... the PCs were metal before
- Kevin Marks
There is a reasonable chance Bill Gates will help erradicate Malaria and put clean water in villages in the Sudan. I know who I think changed the world the most.
- David Lloyd
It doesn't have to be pissing contest. They've both done great things
- Stephen Pickering
Sure. Popularity and topicality are not influence. I think something like tying honesty and integrity to an identity would give words of those with more of it, more weight.
- Kevin Costain
I've read Steve Jobs was a dick at times. +1 for him right there.... :)
- Kevin Costain
The greatest geniuses always have the greatest weaknesses. Without the dick part, you wouldn't have the genius part
- Stephen Pickering
I do consider Jobs a genius. If I had met and interacted with him, I'd probably know for sure.
- Kevin Costain
Stream died again.. :(
- Kevin Costain
Oh, there it is. )
- Kevin Costain
Which article?
- Stephen Pickering
Which Journalist?
- Stephen Pickering
Names, names
- Stephen Pickering
This specific world required a new group of experts to translate what was happening. Then this world began becoming the the world around us all.
- Aron Michalski
Well, guys.. I have to run.. cheers.. thanks for the show today..!
- Kevin Costain
1-click purchasing patent - huge innovation
- Ankush Narula
"My Documents" folder patent - amazing innovation
- Ankush Narula
I like that better with the screen ratio
- Stephen Pickering
and when the money gets big enough, the old money types (all money types) take it for real. It becomes mainstream when the big dogs want a bite.
- Aron Michalski
How dare they make a beautiful product
- Christian Burns
Your hammer looks just like my hammer!
- Stephen Pickering
Thats way too pretty, make it uglier please
- Christian Burns
you can turn flash off
- Kevin Marks
I'd rather it have flash
- Stephen Pickering
Innovation is what you leave out - just as much as what you include
- Ankush Narula
it needed a stylus
- Kevin Marks
haha
- Ankush Narula
who was that? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Microsoft Metro?
- Ankush Narula
w8
- Jerome Hughes
never cared about it before
- Kevin Marks
@stephen - this is the one: http://gawker.com/5847344...
- John Taschek
@stephen - and this was a more recent post that referenced it - http://www.forbes.com/sites... - horrible journalism.
- John Taschek
Ah, thanks John
- Stephen Pickering
MeatierGazer
- Kevin Marks
ha
- Tina Chase Gillmor
how much did I miss?
- Christopher Harris
The whole thing
- Christian Burns
booo
- Christopher Harris
Big trend killing processing latency: Facebook ticker, Google Pregel. Salesforce GraphDB arch for distributed Chatter.
- cliveb
Thanks everyone.
- Aron Michalski
thanks for everyone tuning in, chatting and having a great time. Have a good weekend
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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Hopefully the discussion today will be on "Fire." ;)
- Alex de Soto
I bet Steve hates the Fire. And he will probably utterly dismiss it.
- David Lloyd
7 min and counting.... Oops 6!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Robert Scoble in the house or MIA?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ahh just getting him in now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm here.
- Robert Scoble
Quick tech glitch...standby
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Standby
- Robert Scoble
Stay on target! :-)
- Robert Scoble
and it's really real…
- Jerome Hughes
taking over the world? Meh. Nice tool for the AMZ silo.
- Karoli
When you combine retail, AWS, and the tablet direction, the world is becoming Jeff's oyster.
- Michael Mahemoff
Which makes the kindle a Segway?
- Michael Mahemoff
who's letting off fireworks in the park?
- Kevin Marks
bike > car
- Jerome Hughes
Chrome browser to Android (finally) http://bit.ly/mQbBsA
- cliveb
i just have iphone - too small to read on so i use kindle on the mac/whatever
- mal
reminds a bit of eclipse plug in differences
- Jerome Hughes
What about the Amazon buying Palm OS from HP rumor. Any teeth to the rumor?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Does Microsoft get royalties on the Fire too?
- Alex de Soto
it's all about how far you fold it from your eyes
- Kevin Marks
MS will probably ask for licensing. I can't see why not.
- Michael Mahemoff
When is Apple TV going to release an app store? That will change everything.
- Fraser Cain
Walmart's on a roll with their new lab. They are probably very interested in WebOS.
- Michael Mahemoff
slowly decreasing percentage of quickly increasing market... ok
- Jerome Hughes
actually there's very little beatles on spotify
- Ankush Narula
We're going to have to turn into flies so we can watch so many screens at one time.
- Alex de Soto
amazon won't buy palm
- Kevin Marks
you got a blind, for one
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify only has Beatles covers afaict. Artists "#1 Beatles Now" and "The Ultimate Beatles Cover Band" aren't the Beatles.
- Michael Mahemoff
they only have Mozart covers too
- Kevin Marks
Kindle has no apps because Amazon was holding off on their platform, waiting for Android. Change again to WebOS and they set the clock back another 18 months.
- Michael Mahemoff
they're hiring: http://aws.amazon.com/amazons...
- Kevin Marks
More likely Oracle buys Palm for mobile strategy like SAP (funded by Android royalties)
- cliveb
Walmart otoh has a blank slate and apparently a mandate for acquisitions.
- Michael Mahemoff
The Amazon Android fork already has set them back in time. Will only get worse unless Amazon creates a full OS team to keep their fork relevent.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
a blank slate? is that one with no apps?
- Kevin Marks
Not even a web browser.
- Michael Mahemoff
A single SPDY thread, that's why it's called silk (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...)
- Michael Mahemoff
Thanks, Michael!
- Robert Scoble
Moe: no, he's trying to keep up with Zuckerberg.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure but the Fire seems to have a better form factor for video (widescreen) than the current iPad.
- Alex de Soto
they are a shopping company. they want you to shop
- Kevin Marks
Fire is 16:9, like most Android tablets, and Mac Laptops
- Kevin Marks
and iMacs, come to think of it
- Kevin Marks
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
And you can check out Kindle books from some public libraries.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: the killer guy at Microsoft is the guy who runs the law department.
- Robert Scoble
if only microsoft had had someone 8 years ago touting the benefits of tablets....
- mal
Moe: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Hey guys and gals
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian!
- Robert Scoble
Who would be stupid enough to invest in bandwidth when the US Gov can make you resell it to competitors at no profit? That's why
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, my google plus following has gone nuts. :) Thanks for sharing
- Christian Burns
examine some past infrastructure you know well in the present... http://www.historicaerials.com/
- Jerome Hughes
bollocks, Stephen. structural separation works
- Kevin Marks
better late than never.
- Aron Michalski
Bollocks, Kevin, there's no free market in communications. That's why we don' t have fiber connections at competitive prices
- Stephen Pickering
infrastructure evolves based on demand which also evolves
- Jerome Hughes
we have the worst of both worlds - local monopolies with no structural separation
- Kevin Marks
how about duct neutrality?
- Kevin Marks
I have dark fiber going by my house, if only I could tap it.
- Christian Burns
Where does the US rank in net performance? http://www.netindex.com/ - not in top 10. But 4th in the G8 http://www.netindex.com/downloa...
- John Taschek
they look suspiciously like record execs from 10 years ago
- Jerome Hughes
an invitation to compete
- Jerome Hughes
Grey Davies, Action star
- Kevin Marks
except for that whole Honeycomb source code thing
- Ankush Narula
That's called the free market
- Stephen Pickering
The intersection of politics and tech!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The fork is the big issue which should be the real concern for buying the Fire.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
my mac.com accounts have stopped worked
- Kevin Marks
All of this is a mute point. As soon as it is OPENED or Cracked it is a game changer. Barnes and Noble NOOK
- amarquart
From the Amazon website: "Your Favorite Apps and Games... Angry Birds, Plants vs. Zombies, The Weather Channel and more, plus a great paid app for free every day. All apps are Amazon-tested on Kindle Fire for the best experience possible."
- Alex de Soto
woohoo!! Amazon Android free apps. I got some of those in my Dell Streak 7
- Da
so why is Google adding 3rd campus in Seattle (840 person Bothell bldg)
- cliveb
Hey another Dell Streak 7 owner :) #iwork4dell
- Susan Beebe
google is hiring all over the place - huge building in London too
- Kevin Marks
interesting... Google Social expansion?
- Susan Beebe
apple broke my mac.com accounts last night too
- Kevin Marks
friend at meetup last night was asked what his next Android would be... his response... iPhone 5
- Jerome Hughes
let me know we're eagerly anticipating the Gingerbread upgrade on the Steak 7, Susan
- Da
mmm, Steak
- Kevin Marks
hmm. thought spring cleaning could reduce Google's need for additional Engineers
- cliveb
The Huawei Honor Android Gingerbread Phone claims three days on a single charge...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it's yummy too
- Da
This show always continues to amaze me. Packed with info and educated opinion. You guys rock! Sorry don't mean to applaud our own show but...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wait a minute. Windows 8 is focused on tablet use....
- amarquart
I don't even remember to charge the blackberry
- Kevin Marks
amarquart: exactly. It's far less interesting.
- Robert Scoble
BECAUSE of the Amazon.
- Robert Scoble
I should give it back
- Kevin Marks
One thing Rim does is product placement. Seems like every new movie and tv show the actors are using a Blackberry. Won't HTML5 help Rim hang on?
- Stephen Pickering
those Android IDEOS phones that Huawei's been selling like hotcakes in Kenya is probably optimized for long battery life
- Da
and minis (or at least the OS) ~ a good friend in that space says the best thing ever to happen to RIM is iPhone
- Jerome Hughes
Blackberry haz cheaper data plans (x3 texting kids mks difference)
- cliveb
I had to use a blackberry in London. Yuck. I hated it!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android is diversifying into all the phone niches - Huawei are replacing the feature phone niche that Nokia thought they owned
- Kevin Marks
A black hole that the (average) consumer of Facebook doesn't seem to want...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Most of the tablets I saw when I was in the Philippines in May were Samsung Galaxy 7's
- Da
popular isn't the same as ubiquitous
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft has it's relationship with Facebook? No?
- Stephen Pickering
True Kevin...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Balmer is going to try to buy their way in. And that is why it will fail. stigma
- amarquart
Facebook's Project Spartan would be big on feature phones
- Da
facebook zero was aimed at that maket
- Kevin Marks
Scobleizer for nobel prize in black holes!
- cliveb
hmm, I dunno though, in the most of the world, Microsoft's still pretty unanimous with computers. It might be a no-name box but it runs on Windows
- Da
Microsoft will distribute through Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
MS has Bing! and XBox. A relationship w/Facebook, Skype. Hate to say it, but they will have a conduit into the black holes.
- Alex de Soto
what proportion of IE browsers have google toolbar installed?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin's hair and the trees behind him are moving in tandem; synced?
- Aron Michalski
It's IE 8 here with the Google toolbar
- Da
now
- Jerome Hughes
doing my bit to stress the video codecs...
- Kevin Marks
caching is learning
- Kevin Marks
I was wondering if it was a Pixar algorithm...
- Aron Michalski
The new Page rank? The whoisme rank.
- Arnie Klaus
don't concentrate on who has already made the purchase but whom influenced the decision
- amarquart
next time I'll try and sit in front of a lake with sunlight glinting off it. Codecs hate that.
- Kevin Marks
Kred==PeopleBrowsr's product
- Michael Mahemoff
wondering why Micrososft put money in Facebook a while back
- Da
it's good when your clueless score plummets
- Jerome Hughes
MSFT seems to be cooking up a new GraphDB (Redmond Blackhole)
- cliveb
sounds like Max Headroom
- Kevin Marks
companies in the business of herding cats
- Jerome Hughes
I'm glad I have no Klout. I'd rather learn a language to communicate with someone else in the world than know the t shirt preference of a 20 something in a mall...
- Aron Michalski
his Klout score is zero but he's in everyone's circle, he's the most interesting man in the world
- Da
washington general motors
- Jerome Hughes
follower spam! not a fan of sharing G+ circle
- cliveb
perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
apple's ping should approach google to be their spotify/fb
- mal
that would be a nice improvement on Ping
- Da
Primordial Ooze (social gone dark)
- cliveb
I'm oozing that comment (like plus 1...)
- Aron Michalski
ping will be subsumed in twitter
- Kevin Marks
but is Apple really into social?
- Da
what does he do about those who abstain?
- Jerome Hughes
and maybe i wont have to watch ads for domestic beer
- mal
Imagine if they could track things that don't involve sitting around in front of a screen...
- Aron Michalski
mal - by any chance do you need a truck?
- Jerome Hughes
Rather to think about Facebook aggregating yet more content. Of course, it's the Zuckerberg dream come true.
- Michael Krigsman
Here's an interesting Google+ related site that aggregates my content -- https://www.foldedsoft.at/+...
- Susan Beebe
Tera Nova is not bad lol
- Susan Beebe
Terra Novacaine
- Stephen Pickering
Hah.
- Robert Scoble
Pike Kilt Lifter sure beats Budweiser
- cliveb
lol
- Susan Beebe
RIP Tevatron … bit.ly/o2zzwC
- Jerome Hughes
I helped a friend with a problem (how would that effect my score if I didn't send them a promoted link?)
- Aron Michalski
Everyone wants to collect your most personal details with intimate fidelity, to sell more and more shit you don't really need << bad mood about this today.
- Michael Krigsman
check out San Miguel beer
- Da
PLEASE Stream it this time ...
- Susan Beebe
haha
- Susan Beebe
iWontbethere...
- Aron Michalski
your opinions are more important than your presences
- Jerome Hughes
the coffee at Apple HQ is good
- Kevin Marks
YEP - the koolaid is even better!
- Susan Beebe
great shot of Steve chuckling, Tina!
- Jerome Hughes
We need centralization to build markets and consolidate customers, but at some point it's too much. Question becomes, what is that breakover point where it becomes bad.
- Michael Krigsman
when we're all in the Matrix
- Da
Will you guys talk about the greatness of HP and Oracle, or did I miss that part yet :-)
- Michael Krigsman
competition breeds success
- Jerome Hughes
Michael: hahahahahahahhah.
- Robert Scoble
YAY, glad to see the show continue :)
- Susan Beebe
Great show! Kept me in the office until 5:30 pm (EDT). Have a great weekend.
- Alex de Soto
HP and Oracle were not waterboarded
- cliveb
real men watch this in lynx
- mal
Applause for Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
bought around the same time- my bought-new HP desktop conked out before my bought-used Dell desktop, yikes!
- Da
++ Susan
- Jerome Hughes
Ream men love HP :-)
- Michael Krigsman
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
lol meant to say real men
- Michael Krigsman
Great show!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Thanks and Happy Rosh Hashana :)
- Nir Ben Yona
… and Aron.
- Jerome Hughes
L'Shana Tovah
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apron Sewing Patterns - http://paisleypincushion.com/apron-s...
I love the shop keeper pattern and would love to buy one one day!
- Christian Burns
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Will need to miss today but I just watched a few older episodes on my phone yesterday. Magical. Thanks Steve and Tina.
- Christian Burns
Starting shortly
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
thanks to you Christian.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hello everyone
- Mark Vaske
State of the twunion?
- Kevin Marks
hello!!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
44% of the active users are inactive?
- Kevin Marks
he, he
- Tina Chase Gillmor
lurkers evolve into users
- Jerome Hughes
or urkers, drop the L...
- Aron Michalski
Ex-radio listeners have become Twitter lurkers, no?
- Alex de Soto
An "edge case"?
- Brian Sullivan
if I was to ask a question and get 30,000 answers, it would be almost impossible for me to find useful.
- Aron Michalski
It's becoming so spammy too, almost Myspace spammy
- Stephen Pickering
tune out some noise
- Jerome Hughes
the other is if a keyword is sniffed I get 5 more spambot follows and misdirects.
- Aron Michalski
thats atypical for the average g+ user. FB still dominates average user conversation.
- Mark Vaske
Conversations with brands work on Twitter, Especially with customer service folks.
- Alex de Soto
it was actually a typo; Bantams are dead, he had chicken for lunch.
- Aron Michalski
definitely great for contacting developers
- Mark Vaske
Scoble reminds me of this old Dvorak column about blogging: http://www.pcmag.com/article...
- Kevin Marks
Scoble looks like he's in a Peter Gabriel video...
- Aron Michalski
people use twitter, people don't use google+
- Mark Vaske
G+ devrel advice set up a circle just for Scoble (only go when u hv time)
- cliveb
Zuckerberg on G+ follows Marks's law of twitter: if you tweet you lose followers; if you're retweeted you gain followers. By not posting, no-one unfollows Zuck
- Kevin Marks
Not posting public and not posting aren't the same thing. It's possible Zuckerberg has posted, just not publicly.
- James Williams
What Google is doing is building a cloud operating system, and the value proposition is the integration of all the parts, with a Social Network being just one part
- Stephen Pickering
Counting only posts is not the same as counting all interaction.
- James Williams
Peter Norvig's researchers and machine learning are all over G+
- cliveb
Posts + comments should be used as a measure against tweets
- Brian Sullivan
true, James.
- Kevin Marks
but unless google releases figures like twitter just did, that would be hard to compare
- Kevin Marks
any thoughts about the WSJ article on Zynga? "We're an analytics company masquerading as a gaming company." Different goal makes for different business plan?
- Aron Michalski
you can spark it...
- Mark Vaske
I'm on
- Keith Teare
A tweet can be original content or a reply. Until we count posts and +1's and comments, we won't have an accurate number. +1 Brian
- James Williams
Google + might just be a placeholder.
- Aron Michalski
FriendFeed is still better than Google+ technically and functionally.
- Brian Sullivan
well not +1's - that woudl be counting favorites on twitter
- Kevin Marks
Keith, how much do you use Google + ?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
but the flat nature of tweets is in some ways an advantage
- Kevin Marks
Here we go again... "Normal". Elitist crap.
- Aron Michalski
Daily peek, don't publish much
- Keith Teare
interesting. Me too.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's not so much search as it is getting content onto their system as oppossed to a competitor's cloud system that is closed off from the open web
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin, I don't think +1s are conceptually the same. I plus +1 things that I agree with, not necessarily things I want to save for later (I have a Favorites circle for that).
- James Williams
Herman Caine seemed the most Reaganesque to me. He was cool.
- Stephen Pickering
G+ is like scanning a newspaper rather than having a channel on 24/7
- Aron Michalski
I tried their exporter out when talking about microformats with Sarah Perez this week, and was surprised how few g+ posts I'd made
- Kevin Marks
Danny, I just figured out why Elliot wanted real names.com
- Keith Teare
+Aron yes, G+ prolly research
- cliveb
It's a G+ play - obviously
- Keith Teare
Elliot who?
- Kevin Marks
I have a folder of 15 actual friends...
- Aron Michalski
WTF does using a "real (sounding) name" have to with identifying a person?
- Brian Sullivan
I don't even know what yahoo does or stands for. It's ridiculous
- Stephen Pickering
Hay for the farm. Next.
- Aron Michalski
I know a lot of smart people at Yahoo, but also a lot of legacy process that needs fixing
- Kevin Marks
No one knows what yahoo is because it isn't anything
- Stephen Pickering
I should wear my Google Apps NSA t-shirt (Not Search or Ads)
- Kevin Marks
Waiting for a Combine.
- Aron Michalski
Yahoo Finance is the only reason I use Yahoo.
- James Williams
Good job Jerry + Akiko paid for Y2E2 when the stock was high
- cliveb
Are you sure NSA isn't their association with National Security?
- Aron Michalski
what about the new iPad app
- Mark Vaske
that was the joke, Aron
- Kevin Marks
Sorry Kevin, I'm a bit slow. Mentally.
- Aron Michalski
Google Desktop is the desktop app, not iGoogle.
- James Williams
What if Google+ doesn't actually take off though Robert?
- Mark Vaske
Is Big G gonna need as many engineers after all pruning?
- cliveb
Good point John.
- Aron Michalski
Groups and their homepage are still huge
- Kevin Marks
Stereo Scoble...oof!
- Aron Michalski
what happens when netflix looses starz?
- Mark Vaske
Bartz proves enterprise CEOs mismatched for Consumer Web
- cliveb
Prodigy > AOL > Yahoo! > Facebook > ?
- Alex de Soto
robert can you mute, I'm getting echo from you
- Kevin Marks
Here's a question: who do you take an established community and port them over if they don't respond to social gold stars?
- Aron Michalski
Don't solve problems, don't fix anything, do something cool
- Stephen Pickering
...and here's the part of the show where we provide major SV company's lots of free advice! You're welcome
- Tina Chase Gillmor
There are plenty of users(targets) who don't play games, don't check in, don't collect stickers ("grown ups"?) how do you bag them and get them into your universe? Purchase?
- Aron Michalski
right on Robert! notifications Red box
- cliveb
Flickr has somehow lost momentum.
- Aron Michalski
yahoo does have an activity stream: http://pulse.yahoo.com/ not used much thug
- Kevin Marks
NEXT SPRING FOR AN IPAD APP!?
- Mark Vaske
are Yahoo execs listening to GG? Google does.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think my point was how do you get people out of established Yahoo Groups and move them into a new retirement community?
- Aron Michalski
whats Facebook going to do for social tv when apple puts it out?
- Mark Vaske
Alliance with Twitter or shotgun wedding?
- James Williams
Notification bus on iPad is crap
- Kevin Marks
can't stand it
- Kevin Marks
Making a particular network a preferred community.
- Aron Michalski
@Kevin, do you have iOS 5?
- Mark Vaske
Or getting your community onto a preferred network.
- Aron Michalski
3 screens, but one of them is not the desktop? hmm....
- chrisofspades
The imac will become a touchscreen with a stand and a keyboard.
- Aron Michalski
More elitist bullshit. Guess what, the people in the back of the plane spend money too.
- Aron Michalski
ha John
- Mark Vaske
and youre not poor either.
- Aron Michalski
80% of the planet survives on a salary of $2 a day. Are you above that level?
- Aron Michalski
"Now deliver me social..." :)
- James Williams
There are smart, valid people in coach. Spending 3 times more to sit in the front of the plane to get to the same fucking place is just...dopey.
- Aron Michalski
twitter and fb
- Mark Vaske
Aron, *nods*, those in first could also be on free upgrades which I get from time to time even when I purchase coach.
- James Williams
do rich people use Facebook?
- Aron Michalski
20 yrs with Steve married. yep
- Tina Chase Gillmor
congrats
- Mark Vaske
In the early days, that was true because to be on FB, you originally had to be a college student.
- James Williams
I'll take a fat seat anytime the rich stay home. It's nice to be able to reach into your own pants pocket and pull out something (which is hard to do in coach without dislocating your shoulder...)
- Aron Michalski
Kevin he is saying that apple is driving the usage that brings notifications back to the hardware...
- Mark Vaske
Apple didn't invent multitasking....Android and WebOS had it first.
- James Williams
Danny carriers don't control apple software unlike android
- Mark Vaske
Thanks - told him the other day I didn't realize forever would mean 20 &(#($ years
- Tina Chase Gillmor
so absolute control and no choice is better.
- Aron Michalski
There are multiple app stores on Apple. There is Cydia and OpenMarket.
- James Williams
well, Apple had it in 1985 when Andy Herzfeld wrote switcher, but i know what you mean
- Kevin Marks
That's true James.
- Aron Michalski
Full circle: And Yahoo! app search has both Apple and Android apps: http://apps.search.yahoo.com/search...
- Alex de Soto
Well theres your problem.
- Mark Vaske
Sprint will not move Ma Bell and Big Red...they lease lines from them.
- James Williams
Too back the only one left to properly (legally?) crack is Apple TV and that would be interesting
- Aron Michalski
Mission accomplished, Steve.
- Aron Michalski
not seen that, cliveb - URL?
- Kevin Marks
Good to be in a museum and be staring into a phone. So 21st Century.
- Aron Michalski
They bought it to get rich elitests to pay attention to them for a day.
- Aron Michalski
zagat is all about local
- studentforce
Agree with studentforce
- James Williams
ahole
- Mark Vaske
YOL - Yahoo's Out of Luck(lives)
- James Williams
who really cares about yahoo!
- studentforce
nice time fo year to visit london
- Kevin Marks
we can dream...
- Aron Michalski
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
if we had names for the episodes, Yahole has to be it
- Dale Lature
Yahole....I won't forget that one soon!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks to all y'all!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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at last, a Friday where I'm not swamped in the afternoon.
- Karoli
Yeehaaawww. What a week!
- Robert Scoble
Waiting for the famous Skype call.
- Robert Scoble
listening in
- Christian Burns
who's on today?
- Dale Lature
aside from Robert and Steve?
- Dale Lature
Scoble, Pocket Cast app had the gillmor feed and downloads the video to my android,
- Christian Burns
geez, Robert. Caught whiffs of the "Scoble turned down 500k" story...you do have your fans and your detractors, don't you? :)
- Karoli
Have yet to play it on the phone yet
- Christian Burns
standby... running a few minutes behind. line up Gang!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Karoli: yeah, I sure do, don't I? In the past week I pissed off some rich and famous people. As it should be. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Slide apps killed, overlaps G+, Max Levchin to exit (more streamlining)
- cliveb
Kevin...r u in the house?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't see anything
- Francine Hardaway
Figure you're doing it right if you get those types aggravated.:)
- Karoli
assembling the Gang... almost locked in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Count me as a friend, Robert. In fact, count everybody here as my friend.
- Francine Hardaway
no Kevin Marks?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cool, we're almost there.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Tina, Gang, and Gangsters.
- Denise Howell
Ah. I saw a lower third come up:-) That's promising
- Francine Hardaway
My two officemates made me turn Fletch back on until you all get your tech together :)
- coldbrew
I'm here at Singularity U
- Kevin Marks
Yay!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
Great to have Searls participate. [Fletch is on pause :)]
- coldbrew
Hi Dave Winer
- Christian Burns
Hello everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Dave!
- Francine Hardaway
Exactly, Doc. It's his life. I am sad because I suspect he's dying or he wouldn't have stepped down
- Francine Hardaway
those pictures on tmz are heartbreaking
- Jamie
Give the guy some peace. Just leave him alone.
- coldbrew
exactly right. The wording of that announcement was ominous.
- Karoli
I just looked at the picture on TMZ.
- Francine Hardaway
Correct, Robert.
- Francine Hardaway
You need to reexamine your principles if you ever let you browser go to TMZ.
- coldbrew
That is appalling.
- coldbrew
It's appalling that they put those up
- Francine Hardaway
yeah
- Jamie
tmz is a click-whore operation. they're going to make money off train-wreck viewers.
- Karoli
I'm more interested in the new apple campus they are building.
- coldbrew
the Apple UFO building
- Kevin Marks
Yes, Jobs recently presented a plan to the Cupertino City Council about the Apple campus. Search yourtube.
- coldbrew
Steve is right the commencement speech was 2005
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he hasn't been the pitchman for over a year anyway.
- Karoli
Karoli: he was at the iPad 2 launch.
- Robert Scoble
ok. hold on...Here you go: youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M
- coldbrew
the best site to read on Apple history is http://folklore.org
- Kevin Marks
hard to better Steve's Stanford speech
- cliveb
Steve's 2005 beat Oprah's 2007
- cliveb
Kevin: good site - great book
- Ankush Narula
Oh, so right DOC!!!!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
what Jobs is great at is making the mundane into magic.
- Karoli
Hardaway: 6 exclamation points?
- coldbrew
@coldbrew I am given to bouts of wild enthusiasm
- Francine Hardaway
Apple Removes 99-Cent TV Show Rentals from iTunes Store and Apple TV - http://bit.ly/oA8gzI
- Ankush Narula
Colleen: shit happens to people. Not everyone lives to 80s. Another friend's wife died two weeks ago. She was 29.
- Robert Scoble
Hardaway: :)
- coldbrew
oops... i landed in the shot.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@coldbrew Francine sometimes takes cues from her dog Buppy, who wags his tail with seven exclamation points.
- Karoli
HDDs are on their way out for most of us. STX needs to get some SSD tech. Does anyone know if they have that?
- coldbrew
Damn, now I have to get used to Twitter as a TV network. I just got used to ShowMe App
- Francine Hardaway
2007
- Jamie
Doc and his dates today :)
- Jamie
STX has a SSD hybrid laptop drive called Momentus XT
- Ankush Narula
MU, SNDK?
- coldbrew
If you order business class Dell or HP, they are just as good.
- coldbrew
they still run windows, coldbrew
- Kevin Marks
:-) You can make them run whatever you want, depending on what you know.
- coldbrew
"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware." -Alan Kay (we can add services to that)
- Ankush Narula
Kevin we seem to have an audio problem with you. any changes to yur system or setup?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
what about gaming field?
- Contz
bringing you back in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hard to find Product Guy CEOs who obsess product operating at scale (Jobs, Gates / Maritz)
- cliveb
i switched to new skype
- Kevin Marks
it is gapping fro me
- Kevin Marks
shoudl I go back to old skype
- Kevin Marks
send video kavin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm still one of the crazies thinking that personal servers will rule the roust once everyone understands decentralization and simple server management.
- coldbrew
Like Apple being kind of "too big to fail" - the currency of IT universe?
- #Robert Redl
We can still use load balancers on AWS but our app servers will be on-premise.
- coldbrew
That perception of perfection is what people called Jobs' "reality distortion field," which is an amazing part of his legacy for Apple's brand.
- Tom Guarriello
...and he's been aroound long enoughto set the bar very high
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"Great directors are the ones who don't have to say anything -- you know what I am saying?"
- The Ghost of Library Past
coldbrew, agreed once tacit knowledge becomes the new IP
- cliveb
Let's parrot out of context quotations...
- coldbrew
"When it's ready" is the Apple mantra
- Kevin Marks
Apple will go into printers. http://tinyurl.com/3pmksbm
- The Ghost of Library Past
Steve presents Cupertino Council http://youtu.be/gtuz5Om...
- cliveb
Sometimes I'm scared for Scoble for saying the things he does, but what he says is quite interesting.
- coldbrew
The rationale is psychological..."we have to be in the tablet business...it's growing too fast for us to miss out..." Not sound, but understandable.
- Tom Guarriello
OS protection....The more people use IOS devices, the more irrelevant the others become.
- Karoli
anyone remember the HP iPod?
- Kevin Marks
fast following is easier
- cliveb
yeah the blue ipod
- Ankush Narula
the jailbrake community is quite strong.
- coldbrew
Cliveb: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
"It takes more time to make a fake" but they are all rushing these products
- Mark Vaske
HP had a bigger vision than copying the iPad - webOS was meant to be used across many products and form factors
- Ankush Narula
The iphone was definitely a life saver during my last European trip. Great GPS, awesome camera, amazing communication with friends from all over the world and the Time Out app was brilliant.
- Nir Ben Yona
It hasn't happened because the Android OS doesn't seem to perform consistently across devices
- Ankush Narula
idk about that, apple has the most developers, and they control and make the best hardware...
- Mark Vaske
capacitive touch changed lots of things
- coldbrew
kevin yr audio keeps building up as you are silent can u switch toheadphone?
- Steve Gillmor
multitouch too
- Kevin Marks
I am on headphone. Does this build of skype do AGC?
- Kevin Marks
maybe
- Steve Gillmor
should I switch back to the old skype?
- Kevin Marks
turn off autogain?
- Steve Gillmor
how?
- Kevin Marks
we'll live with it
- Steve Gillmor
Reminds me of the original PalmOS
- Ankush Narula
Ballmer would kick you out and play Queens we are the Champions, or smash a chair if really pissed
- cliveb
App Switching != Multitasking
- Ankush Narula
iOS has very broken multitasking
- Kevin Marks
the onion article is a brilliant poke at hp.
- Mark Vaske
Kevin: I disagree that it's broken - it's "managed multitasking"
- Ankush Narula
nice analogy kevin!
- Mark Vaske
very nice analogy
- Tom Guarriello
The ADHD in me appreciates being forced to stop multitasking.
- Karoli
Kevin's right optimization (Elephants over Bacteria)
- cliveb
with lion, one of the main features is to reduce multitasking with fullscreen mode.
- Mark Vaske
the brain cannot multitask, exactly
- Tom Guarriello
well, that's why you turn off the radio when the driving gets too challenging
- Tom Guarriello
I dont want 8 apps dividing up my ipad screen
- Mark Vaske
very fast serial task switching
- Jerome Hughes
I can listen to this and do email at the same time... Multitasking?
- The Ghost of Library Past
How can I get IOS5?
- Francine Hardaway
Joe - are you focused on both?
- Jerome Hughes
try multitasking - speak all right now at the same time
- #Robert Redl
Francine - become a dev
- Jerome Hughes
to a certain extent...
- The Ghost of Library Past
Moe, we said hi to him at the beginning of the show.
- Robert Scoble
@francine - you have to be in the dev program
- Mark Vaske
Zing! This is hilarious.
- coldbrew
Well, I''m not a dev today, but tomorrow, who knows?
- Francine Hardaway
I can produce the show, switch shots and chat at once! well.... sort of...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yes the brain can only do one thing at a time (generally) but the brain does it much faster than a computer. The computer has to be able to multitask in order to keep up with the brain
- Eric de Oude
@francine - I doubt steve g is doing much dev stuff either, but that doesnt mean you cant get in it. Its $100
- Mark Vaske
Multitasking over rated, talking on cell phones, watch drivers
- cliveb
Where is the Android version of the ipod touch?
- coldbrew
I have a feature phone with a low cost carrier, and a ipod touch for voip at home.
- coldbrew
@ Moe hardware speakers arent meant to be awesome...
- Mark Vaske
@Robert - Exactly. External audio is better audio
- Mark Vaske
@coldbrew you are not alone;-)
- cliveb
$900 earbuds - absurd
- Ankush Narula
what's 900 bucks to a guy who turned down 500k?
- Karoli
ding!
- Ankush Narula
I had some UEs... Went back to Shure. Love Shure
- Eric de Oude
A paddleboard
- Kevin Marks
gaga, please, Noooooooooooooooo.
- The Ghost of Library Past
here's a show for you Steve: http://huffduffer.com/kevinma...
- Kevin Marks
Those $900 ear-buds are more of a microspeaker.
- Nir Ben Yona
this is TV right?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My kids: Who watches TV on a television? :)
- Karoli
cliveb: Who do you use for VOIP? I pay $18/ yr for the ph number, and ~$0.008/ min (and $0.03 in expensive places)?
- coldbrew
GoogleTV's a slow go, no fresh content, need real-time channels like the New Hour
- cliveb
really good video from individuals is huge on youtube
- Kevin Marks
did you see the Portal mini-movie?
- Kevin Marks
Apple Closing NYC Retail Stores Ahead of Hurricane Irene - Mac Rumors http://bit.ly/r93aAJ
- Ankush Narula
will Apples privacy issues get better or worse?
- #Robert Redl
Whats next? It's a big black cube-shaped computer that the web was invented on. But that's not important right now.
- Kevin Marks
until news streams live (like Al Jazeera), I'll still have a television
- Karoli
This is my first full Gillmor Gang. Extremely interactive with a Friend Feed comments and video. A great example of how TV changing
- Eric de Oude
I get streaming MSNBC on JustinTV, Karoli
- Francine Hardaway
I went to my housmates side of the house the other night after I drank a 12-pack, then I kicked the TV of the counter. :-)
- coldbrew
Woops.
- coldbrew
weird, Francine...I've tried a couple of times and can't get it for any length of time
- Karoli
nice to bring GoogleTV and G+ together
- cliveb
steve jobs took the mammal approach to hollywood too
- Kevin Marks
There are two sources. They don't stream LockUp
- Francine Hardaway
@robert - does twitter integration stretch farther into tv as it has on iOS and Mac?
- Mark Vaske
gah, gapping
- Kevin Marks
I don't see Apple doing a TV. I see them doing a box that is a lot better than the last box
- Eric de Oude
URL for the Portal Mini-movie? Went to ShowYou and found a zillion portal videos
- Francine Hardaway
Marks: Not sure what you mean by gapping, but stream was fluid here.
- coldbrew
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drucg1A6Xk
- Kevin Marks
bingo, doc.
- Karoli
thx
- Francine Hardaway
feck, I'm switching back to old skype, as I can only hear you now
- Kevin Marks
Doc is nailing it
- Ankush Narula
iPad TV is personal tv
- Mark Vaske
If only mythTV was easy to deal with (CLI mandatory).
- coldbrew
kevin is gone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Doc always nails it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
called back, but now I can see and not hear. bugger
- Kevin Marks
Apple today removed tv rentals? Streaming?
- Mark Vaske
ok back
- Kevin Marks
send video Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sports, meh
- Kevin Marks
bueno
- Tina Chase Gillmor
though I suppose that works wiht twitter
- Kevin Marks
They need to do more with the Time Capsule. Probably hurt RAX, though.
- coldbrew
Most streamers are much better than the Apple TV. Check out the new Xtreamer Prodigy http://bit.ly/9DTN38
- Nir Ben Yona
"Disapora runs on Time Capsule" would be cool.
- coldbrew
PadFone
- Ankush Narula
Did Steve resign as pitchman for sure?
- Mark Vaske
It's the shiniest thing I've ever seen!!!!!!
- coldbrew
6x! just for Hardawy :-)
- coldbrew
they're all the same size in radians
- Kevin Marks
i've had several streaming devices but the Apple TV device is by far the one that works the best for me.
- Karoli
we will watch TV not with the people on the same couch, but via a "hangout"
- #Robert Redl
Did you see TIVO's earnings? I'll be brief_> awesome. They will be acquired
- coldbrew
Robert: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: nope. Got a URL?
- Robert Scoble
Ignore yesterday.
- The Ghost of Library Past
Did you see AAPL today? http://www.google.com/finance...
- Ankush Narula
"ghosting" like they do on twitter
- #Robert Redl
Ignore will let you cull your incoming feed
- Christian Burns
Louis Gray might have been the one to push for the ignore.
- The Ghost of Library Past
they've been testing the ignore button on people who have odd names like violet blue
- Kevin Marks
"Ignore" is the wrong terminology - they should have made it "Mute" or "Silence"
- Ankush Narula
Scoble: seekingalpha.com/transcripts/for/TIVO
- coldbrew
mute a post, ignore a person
- Christian Burns
you're great Steve
- Christian Burns
Googe's siphoning off Microsoft's best.
- cliveb
Cheers!
- Nir Ben Yona
getting more playing the game instead of just watching it
- Jerome Hughes
this has been a really good show
- Dale Lature
Sorry I only caught the end of this, stuck in Honolulu airport. Mahalo, Aloha over and out :) Will have to watch the recording...sounds like it was great.
- Charlie Isaacs
excellent Gang. Glad I caught it live
- Tom Guarriello
Ankush: yeah, AAPL is cheap at 11 times earnings.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still vibrating (idea wise, and writing things down) as I listen to this
- Dale Lature
Great Gang guys, keep listening to the future.
- Denise Howell
Steve, JP will be on?
- cliveb
Great show. so nice to be able to view it in real time. :)
- Karoli
Thanks! Cya all next time.
- Nir Ben Yona
Thanks! Informative, and thought provoking.
- Eric de Oude
Great show
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
the sing u stuff is great
- Kevin Marks
thanks everyone....you're all really great and I smiled a few times.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
First time sitting down to listen/watch this & really enjoyed it.
- Ian Murphy
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Waiting for the famous call. I hear John Borthwick (a Venture Capitalist from UK) will be on the call today along with most of the usual suspects.
- Robert Scoble
ok then.
- Aron Michalski
:-) Of course we're also testing out the new Skype, which is causing problems.
- Robert Scoble
stand by
- Steve Gillmor
Hey Aron, Robert. Getting a rare chance to listen live.
- Amyloo
hi there. been a while!
- Aron Michalski
Hey everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Aron. Hope your weekend is treating you well.
- Nir Ben Yona
Aron, yup, not everybody has wild-ass jobs like you! Most are more regular and mundane. Hi Nir.
- Amyloo
Hi Amyloo ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
ah, I'm kinda rocking out to spotify ... guess I'll turn that down now.
- Laura Norvig
amazing that spottily isn't available in Canada, but not surprised either
- Michael Roberts
hi, all!
- Jerome Hughes
hey j
- Amyloo
hi a - it's good to be half back
- Jerome Hughes
A half back? Like a tail back?
- Aron Michalski
yes, but at the laundry
- Jerome Hughes
like adding yourself into a list vs. leaving yourself out, provides frame of reference of flow in time
- Jerome Hughes
Is this interesting for those who get about 5 responses a week on Twitter?
- Aron Michalski
Scoble, you see the profile icons in Google Chrome 15?
- Vezquex
It's nice to know when someone is following you.. other clients do this..
- Kevin Costain
if you follow those who interact
- Jerome Hughes
I wonder...
- Aron Michalski
I guess I'm gonna go out and work on tweeting something worth responding to...
- Aron Michalski
gesture bleed from service to service, have been seeing some such things on #FB for a long time "x and x are now friends" though possibly more privately
- Jerome Hughes
Showyou is interesting...
- Aron Michalski
Showyou really rocks!
- Nir Ben Yona
will make thumbnail more important
- Jerome Hughes
sorry JohnTaschek -I dont know why I lost #4 but I did and cant fix the problem
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gotta figure out where that scrape occurs...
- Aron Michalski
Tina -- I think xfinity was jealous of my 4G speeds and something was lost. I'll be lurking here on FF.
- John Taschek
BBM; Anarchy in the UK song in new ad...
- Aron Michalski
False. Teens love the apps, which you can only get on iOS or Android.
- Vezquex
It's all about control, no?
- Kevin Costain
BBM network is fast, realtime and avoids the cloud.
- Aron Michalski
http://action.openrightsgroup.org/ea-acti... petition against twitter blocking
- Kevin Marks
For many years it was the absolute best way to communicate in realtime internationally without additional charges.
- Aron Michalski
So crazy to be frightened of the medium. Was it Doc Searls who talked about the silliness of considering monetizing your front porch? Same thing. Blame the front porch if someone is conspiring on it.
- Amyloo
they will create chaos here if they cut communications off when they think they should. what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
An API for Google Maps that shows zombies where the riots are occurring?
- Aron Michalski
is Blackberry going to further lose business users by association with rioters?
- Kevin Marks
iPod Touch for Christmas.
- Vezquex
Have fun, missing the gang, have company over today.
- Christian Burns
from Android
The first thing they used to do in a coup was close the newspapers and seize the TV stations.
- Aron Michalski
The revolution will not be televised?
- Vezquex
exactly - sieze the central control
- Kevin Marks
no, but it will be streamed live!
- Laura Norvig
RIM could work the anti-establishment angle for marketshare ;-)
- Aron Michalski
But now if you close the cell network, the info is delayed and the realtime nature avoids the momentum.
- Aron Michalski
your quote information has been delayed by 20 minutes
- Jerome Hughes
so you set up cell scramblers for the mob frequency, the fuzz uses the upper freqs.
- Aron Michalski
Then, as is being mentioned, triangulate and use the cell phones as homing beacons.
- Aron Michalski
that's a scary thought, aron. we're lambs.
- Amyloo
they don't need to install chips under our skin; we're holding them to the sides of our heads.
- Aron Michalski
Burner phones and limited connectivity is the safest wat to use the service.
- Aron Michalski
our addiction is their greatest ability to track us, if they're cops, advertisers or data miners.
- Aron Michalski
We freely give our preferences and location for STICKERS. They get a bit more.
- Aron Michalski
you have to have the input to filter the output
- Jerome Hughes
Noise control is only important to those who actually listen.
- Aron Michalski
https://plus.google.com/notific... lets you filter
- Kevin Marks
I just realized Robert has been talking about filtering for years. I think he's a closet librarian.
- Laura Norvig
aaah, here's the class argument. You want to mine my data Scoble? I guess I'll have to become more popular.
- Aron Michalski
:-)
- Robert Scoble
Klout shout give points for shutting up. Our fearless leader often says that what is not said can be more important.
- Aron Michalski
Robert only cares about filtering because he has a million friends. Under 1000, who cares?
- Vezquex
Scoble is a hoarder. It's an interesting realm to be in, data hoarding but it's not for everyone. Or for that matter, most any individual other than Scoble.
- Aron Michalski
surely K counts babbling against you, etc.
- Jerome Hughes
not you specifically, Aron :D
- Jerome Hughes
He doesn't have access to my stream, as he stated a while back that he doesn't care. He lost my vote and access to my data.
- Aron Michalski
I don't look at his either. One less filter needed.
- Aron Michalski
Trying to decipher what Steve just said about Google Search and Twitter.
- Darren
More people does not equal more interesting!!!
- Aron Michalski
More interesting people equals more engagement.
- Aron Michalski
if you built NYC from scratch it would be like Brasilia
- Kevin Marks
If you built NYC from scratch again it would suck and not be NYC.
- Aron Michalski
Twitter hasn't evolved organically in over 2 years. If they were, they wouldn't have moved against the developer community that made them such a success story.
- Darren
+1 Darren
- Aron Michalski
+2 Darren
- Nir Ben Yona
and now that they have a reason to... let a few drops out of the pipeline
- Jerome Hughes
Jack on, Jack off.
- Aron Michalski
HE SAID "TRACK!" Take a drink.
- Vezquex
Anytime he says Track I inject a cocktail of valarian root and Cymbalta into my neck.
- Aron Michalski
…, Synthesize, Harmonize… http://www.pbs.org/idealab...
- Jerome Hughes
shock absorber
- Jerome Hughes
2 words: Games + Hangouts
- Darren
Hence the hoods.
- Aron Michalski
with enough funding
- Jerome Hughes
Imagine; parenting.
- Aron Michalski
yup. Ever look at your Picasa account and its facial stuff?
- Aron Michalski
ding ding ding
- Darren
G+
- Darren
John T... can you hop on now?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
or a basket gets woven
- Jerome Hughes
aaaaaaand the instant upload. Before you know they have it, they have it.
- Aron Michalski
Scoble, it's less about owning your own data and more about being able to personalize your experience.
- Darren
No chance for Heello unless they manage to penetrate the Chinese market or so.
- Nir Ben Yona
Putting back on my decoder ring.
- Darren
Flipboard: The full page ads included in the articles...
- Aron Michalski
which is little compared to its relations to other such items and their originators / consumers
- Jerome Hughes
that's Dave Winer
- Kevin Marks
send back a dm advising to reset password, most respond apologizing
- Jerome Hughes
DM? From people you don't know? Hmmm.
- Aron Michalski
drop your applications and change your password it should go away - some are from those you "sort of" know
- Jerome Hughes
well, scoble follows a lto fo people he doesn't know
- Kevin Marks
No different than any message on Facebook "I can't believe I can see who's looking at my profile".
- Darren
it's from people you follow
- Kevin Marks
"Did you really say this about me? one of your followers sent me this"
- Jerome Hughes
"One of my followers is saying really bad things about you heres the profile"
- Jerome Hughes
I guess it's a disadvantage to those with tens of thousands of people in their circle.
- Aron Michalski
Steve, they've provided 80% of what they're offering in the streaming APIs for the last 2 years.
- Darren
or 5k they manage - interesting how many turn out to be actual and hoodwinked instead of calculating
- Jerome Hughes
oh the irony.
- Aron Michalski
should say "Spending" event.
- Aron Michalski
or optimization, finding what matters
- Jerome Hughes
kind of like using a firehose as a Waterpik.
- Aron Michalski
parts per million -> trillion
- Jerome Hughes
I'm thinking about joining a photo sharing service where I only follow VCs who share food photos. Imagine what I could learn then!
- Aron Michalski
if there were another service's flow, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
I want photos of rich people's food...
- Aron Michalski
...with a filter for brussel sprouts.
- Aron Michalski
smell-o-vision
- Jerome Hughes
I'll never miss a rare steak again...
- Aron Michalski
that was one thing I did this week, I patched nanoTweeter so it worked agin
- Kevin Marks
"I don't care about that". Yup, social is the wrong word for some people.
- Aron Michalski
Try talking to one person about one thing that actually matters.
- Aron Michalski
valuable workarounds
- Jerome Hughes
I just realized how utterly and completely fraught with jargon these weekly talks are. I live in two worlds. Most of my friends would be sure this is a different language.
- Laura Norvig
when is the google plus api coming?
- Michael Roberts
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
they didn't say yet
- Kevin Marks
Thanks. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
thanks Tina, thanks everyone!
- Aron Michalski
great show!
- Michael Roberts
thanks, all
- Jerome Hughes
thanks to everyone. can't say enough how much we love and enjoy the chat and how much it adds to the show.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
be neat to have a post-Gillmor Gang - google plus hangout
- Michael Roberts
I'm glad to bring the bitterness and hold the brussel sprouts.
- Aron Michalski
anyone is free to create a hangout -
- Tina Chase Gillmor
this is the one hour a week I'm allowed to slack off...back to the grindstone...
- Aron Michalski
BTW Tina, they pushed us back to Wednesday next week. But' I should be there until Sept 10th or so.
- Aron Michalski
looking forward to it Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe - I never left. I think the conversation left me -- but it was in great hands with the Danny and Robert discussion.
- John Taschek
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who's here today?
- Dale Lature
you're here Dale!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes, that's true, but I meant to ask "Whos' ON" :)
- Dale Lature
hello from the bottom of the frying pan.
- Aron Michalski
hi, Aron! it's gotten a bit cooler up here, just in time for Lolla weekend
- Jerome Hughes
oooh boy. That can be a toughie. Did it in 2005 and my glasses were foggy all day.
- Aron Michalski
so they're pretty happy with low-mid 80s, for sure
- Jerome Hughes
We are having some sun up here in NW Washington, its been a beautiful week
- Christian Burns
where you're hoping for more warmth… Hi, Christian!
- Jerome Hughes
This is day 35 of continuous 100 plus. It just doesn't let up. Over 90 at 6am, 100 at 11pm
- Aron Michalski
feel for ya, have done it, but only for a couple weeks at a time...
- Jerome Hughes
I am only on for a bit today, Honest question, is there a way to download the whole show later?
- Christian Burns
I'm a moron for moving here.
- Aron Michalski
Aron. You will enjoy the weather here when you come. Not too hot at all
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm counting the SECONDS.
- Aron Michalski
standby everyone... mic needed new battery... and then there's the missing Scoble ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
and you'll probably love it there in the winter, too
- Jerome Hughes
hello there
- Kevin Marks
Welcome Kevin
- Christian Burns
look around the kitchen, by the pantry...
- Aron Michalski
I'm here, waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Robert McScoble
- Ankush Narula
Sorry for the delay. Blame it on Teens in Tech. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mayor McCheese...
- Aron Michalski
Check, Check 1 , 2, 3, Hello.
- Kevin Costain
We're on air now. http://www.building43.com/realtim...
- Robert Scoble
geez i botched that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
2+2 = you shouldn't be on the Internet
- Ankush Narula
Inside baseball that affect us all
- Christian Burns
who is google sutting down over pattents?
- Christian Burns
MSFT & Apple vs Google
- Christi Olson
Congress isnt keeping you from having a flying car
- Christian Burns
Google following up on the outrage we all felt over that episode of This American Life is a smart move. Lets try and get some traction on this issue
- Christian Burns
LOL
- Abhijeet Desai
the fear of being sued stops more innovation than we will ever know
- Christian Burns
Gruber's pretty much a Google-hater - it gives him better access inside Apple
- Ankush Narula
the battery makes a big difference.
- Aron Michalski
I just copied and pasted Gruber's actual quote: "Google seems to feel entitled to copy whatever it wants. Android copies the UI from the iPhone. Places copied data from Yelp. Google+ copies from Facebook. Their coupon thing is a clone of Groupon. And yet it’s Google that acts as though it has been offended when these competitors fight back."
- Alex de Soto
803 lawyers !!
- Abhijeet Desai
"Good comics borrow, great comics steal".
- Aron Michalski
Alex: there's prior art for all of that - it's just that those citations made those concepts high profile
- Ankush Narula
Let me guess, Apple?
- Ankush Narula
mining the vast anti-Apple developer vein
- Jerome Hughes
Why do you think that "look and feel" became a defense? It's because of the fact that code can be one line different, therefore not a complete rip.
- Aron Michalski
The apps we need will show up before the end of the day.
- Christian Burns
look and feel didn't succeed, it was actual code copying that got Apple/Microsoft into the lawsuit
- Kevin Marks
"ATTENTION ALL APPLE COMPETITORS: give up. signed, the Gillmor Gang PS- Resistance is futile.
- Aron Michalski
iPad Nano… Model No: A1203
- Jerome Hughes
facebook
- Christian Burns
google search.
- Aron Michalski
newsgroups!
- Jerome Hughes
Email is dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
Moe: I keep hearing rumors of a new iPad. This year or early next is the question. I hope this year is true.
- Robert Scoble
"It's all about Facetime, Airplay, and Push Notifications", Love Steve
- Ankush Narula
Talking is dead.
- Aron Michalski
except in hangouts
- Jerome Hughes
I think xkcd sums it up: http://xkcd.com/934/
- Kevin Marks
Not putting flash on the iPad leaves a huge opening that HP and Android can take advantage of. So much content is in flash, and content is king
- Stephen Pickering
Facial recognition FTW.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin: Agreed
- Ankush Narula
GG, the original hangout, Should have got a patent
- Christian Burns
the Phone app icon on my iPhone stays tucked away in a 'Utilities' folder, rarely opened.
- kosso
the big issue is the human confusion with the backwards scrolling on Lion...
- Aron Michalski
And everything you need is also on android,
- Christian Burns
My most used app on the Mac and on the iPad is the web browser - by leaps and bounds
- Ankush Narula
Not hurting for apps, even if its not pretty
- Christian Burns
they beat them in 'shiny'
- kosso
Christian: bull. The apps on my Samsung suck compared to iPad.
- Robert Scoble
It's funny because most of the music recorded in the past 10 years was recorded on a Mac.
- Aron Michalski
Im talking phone, not pad
- Christian Burns
they beat them here: http://bit.ly/WindowsToMac
- MarkDilley
Still use my Nexus One.
- Aron Michalski
no contract android for $99
- Christian Burns
no
- Christian Burns
because my android can play to AppleTV
- Kevin Marks
AppleTV running aTV Flash/Seas0nPass is great
- kosso
We dont own a TV, no cable for almost 10 years
- Christian Burns
saw a 40" 1080p TV for $300 last week, tempted for a new monitor.
- Kevin Marks
Mager just gave me a spotify invite, finally.
- Christian Burns
Exactlt kevin
- Christian Burns
Christian: the pad is mostly what I'm talking about, although even on phones the iPhone apps are generally better quality than Android ones too, but Android is doing "good enough."
- Robert Scoble
Cloud Music, Cloud Services, it's important
- Stephen Pickering
music friends are starting to sling playlists on it
- Jerome Hughes
turntable.fm is still nicer
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: I agree, except on mobile.
- Robert Scoble
I agree Kevin
- MarkDilley
Spotify is social - I follow other people's playlists
- Ankush Narula
We are still a year or two from getting a tablet, so Android will be what we get, because it will be up to speed by then
- Christian Burns
Where is the random on Spotify - I like the access to the music, I just don't want to curate it so much, and if I do, I like Turntable.fm
- MarkDilley
for now seems Spotify is social async, #TT is social realtime
- Jerome Hughes
now that you can upload all your stuff to Amazon and Google for free, it won't matter until Apple does it. It works great, except it maxes out your onboard RAM on Android phones. Desktop, big win.
- Aron Michalski
I'll try it agin with more people on it, but way less social than turntable. Though apparently listen on turntable, add to spotify is good
- Kevin Marks
Spotify is great on the go...but turntable is cooool
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If only turntable had an spp
- Christian Burns
It's just like Louis CK says, "Everything's amazing and no one's happy."
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen hear hear.
- Aron Michalski
Turntable.fm is interesting... but the Flash client stinks
- Ankush Narula
they've got a system that deserves an app, good place to be
- Jerome Hughes
turntable just needs to get it's html5 audio act together. There's no flash except for audio
- Kevin Marks
instant post with G+ is a great back up
- Aron Michalski
Our home runs on 4 year old laptops, android and an old iPhone 3G on wifi becasue we are poor :)
- Christian Burns
Google is the king of the Cloud, what does he mean?
- Stephen Pickering
i have no desire to load up a big flash ui to have bobbing cartoon avatars play music. (even if I did have access in the uk)
- kosso
YouTube is google's spotify
- Kevin Marks
kosso - it is magical
- MarkDilley
Kevin +1
- Ankush Narula
it's not flash, kosso, it's html5
- Kevin Marks
Christian, I'm with you. I have to fight for every new shiny thing, my only keyboard computer is from 2008.
- Aron Michalski
transport
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify isn't free - it's ad supported and subscription based - I don't understand the argument?
- Ankush Narula
I'm glad to pay working musicians for their art.
- Aron Michalski
fair enough. bit still, I dont need the cutesy ui, I like the radio fine ;) especially amazingradio.com for listening to brand new stuff which mainstream radio wont play
- kosso
Don't we all spend money on tech?
- MarkDilley
Yeah, but those were vinyl albums, they sounded better, you got all the notes and photos of the sessions
- Stephen Pickering
Aron and Christian: I used to be poor, now my gadget budget is on credit cards. :-)
- Robert Scoble
We buy internet access
- Christian Burns
open turntable.fm on the iPad, everythign but the audio works - not flash
- Kevin Marks
kosso - it is all about the social on #TT - and there a DJ's creating music just for the rooms there.
- MarkDilley
but i'm in the uk. no access here.
- kosso
BTW, HBOgo doesn't work for Time Warner users.
- Aron Michalski
I dont want to be poor so we got rid of credit cards 3 years ago, See Cuban post
- Christian Burns
yeah, that sucks kosso. same with spotify here unti last week.
- Kevin Marks
+1 Kevin, Kosso
- MarkDilley
Great. Non-downloadable music on the clouds.
- Aron Michalski
If the beatles only got 5 cents per dollar you spent would you still want to buy it?
- Christian Burns
bullish on Big Data boom
- cliveb
What do you think 'the YouTube of audio' is? (not just talking about music/movies)
- kosso
And I thought album covers where killed by the cassette tapes
- MarkDilley
mp3.com from 1999
- Christian Burns
I can only listen to my music when I'm connected to the network? Does anyone remember that the entire world is not 3G, let alone 1G?
- Aron Michalski
Spotify has some caching or downloading features for when you have not network access, I think
- Stephen Pickering
Anyone heard of a "signed" plug-in?
- Ankush Narula
I had pretty much given up on music, just listened to Pandora - and #TT surprised me, re-ignited my caring about music again, haven't felt that through spotify
- MarkDilley
web app sucks for me at ~200 friends
- MarkDilley
I'm conjecturing on the idea of storing all your media on the cloud and the media companies wanting to only make media available so you can't steal it. At least not the increasingly lazy populace.
- Aron Michalski
it works great on android
- Christian Burns
G+ for the Android update is great.
- Aron Michalski
Roberts battery huge
- cliveb
It kind of sucked but then they updated it aboin
- Christian Burns
you could probably get the iPhone app run on the iPad by doing the same hack that people got the Facebook iPad app to work on it
- kosso
whining iphone users
- Christian Burns
slow, crashes browser
- MarkDilley
Web app works fine for me with 1200 friends - that's absurd
- Ankush Narula
They fixed the things I was griping about
- Aron Michalski
Aron's dead right G+ on Android great
- cliveb
+ app crashes on ios 5 beta 4
- Arnold John
Robert's nearly 500 comments on one post (politics and the economy) froze G+ on my Chrome CR-48 yesterday.
- Alex de Soto
poor steve, stuck on iphone
- Christian Burns
Remember fast trackers: G+, 1 month, 25 million users, no Fail Whale. Try that Twitter.
- Aron Michalski
it was a rush job, just to keep iPhone users happy, since Android had an app. It will definitely improve - to much fanfare, I'm sure.
- kosso
android for the rest of us on phones,
- Christian Burns
Nebula moving out of John Doerr's basement, Big Data Cloud boom
- cliveb
we'll have it with a usable interface
- Jerome Hughes
There is room for more than one company!!
- Aron Michalski
plenty of room, diverse desires
- Jerome Hughes
And in 2 years, android tablets will be "more popular" than ipad
- Christian Burns
You don't have to use it, like it or even acknowledge it. Just realize that it can exist.
- Aron Michalski
yingtongyingtong yiddee...
- kosso
Christian: probably, but they need apps first.
- Robert Scoble
School districts will buy android tablets because they can "control" them
- Christian Burns
There's a difference between different and wrong. Most of the time.
- Aron Michalski
2 years robert,
- Christian Burns
Christian: and because the Android tablets are cheaper.
- Robert Scoble
my summary of this show: haphazard ;)
- kosso
:) agreed
- Christian Burns
Apple= New York Yankees. Everybody else= everybody else.
- Aron Michalski
washington generals
- Jerome Hughes
the cake is a lie
- kosso
Making something out of the same thing.
- Aron Michalski
Aron +1
- Christian Burns
Jerome, talk about inside basketball...
- Aron Michalski
Google plus needs to implement ++Username to plus a person.
- kosso
Man, Friendfeed sure works great for this conversation
- Christian Burns
apps vs. web: the war to avoid typing a URL...
- Aron Michalski
++username - I agree, Kosso
- Hilary Talbot
24/96?
- Jerome Hughes
Android gets really buggy with installing too many apps
- Christian Burns
http://hybridauth.sourceforge.net/ is neat and useful - OpenID and OAuth etc..
- kosso
Just deleted 30 apps and it sped up my phone considerably
- Christian Burns
Aron: It's actually the war to steal the entirety of your screen (think Lion full screen apps)
- Ankush Narula
Christian- not enough RAM in 98% Android phones...no, make that 99%.
- Aron Michalski
When these mushrooms kick in, it'll make sense. hehehehehehhehe
- Stephen Pickering
Lion is the beginning of the convergence, very clear.
- Aron Michalski
But I was coming from a iPhone 3G so I have no complaints
- Christian Burns
A touch screen iMac with a keyboard and a really cool swivel arm is next...
- Aron Michalski
So are 10 years away from democracy?
- Christian Burns
http://my.nameis.me is excellent
- Kevin Marks
No comment on the pseudonym issue?
- kosso
I said google needs to drop it
- Kevin Marks
they all use their real names and don't care.
- Aron Michalski
yes Kevin - it is great
- MarkDilley
Gillmor gang still the best show
- Christian Burns
I think they have to allow pseudonyms - too many good reasons
- Ankush Narula
They are personally branded.
- Aron Michalski
Have you seen http://bit.ly/GoogleP... Kevin?
- MarkDilley
podcasts are dominate in drivetime
- Christian Burns
audible
- Christian Burns
they will develop a second layer, just like the business layer.
- Aron Michalski
Apple will buy Spotify
- Michael Wiley
Streaming is so stupid
- Christian Burns
...and we're gonna start paying per meg/gig/teri
- Aron Michalski
streaming its a false limitation
- Christian Burns
Apple will not buy Spotify
- Ankush Narula
Bandwidth is infinite. Mobile bandwidth has increased 55x in the last 7 years
- Stephen Pickering
vidcasts are podcasts... just don't lok at at ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
how will you connect?
- Aron Michalski
torrents are more efficient
- Christian Burns
too much in the 'cloud' is forcing far too much unnecessary streaming.
- kosso
Who owns Spotify? The labels?
- Stephen Pickering
kosso +1
- Christian Burns
Bandwidth is infinite? Tell that to the millions who now have data caps and throttling.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Neither of them sign bands.
- kosso
how many gig of content can we consume per day?
- Christian Burns
to the cell network? Wifi? Someone else's wifi?
- Aron Michalski
artists make hardly any money at all on Spotify.
- kosso
That's last mile that has been choked off by regulation to slow the death of media entirely in one fell swoop
- Stephen Pickering
it will continue to be the domain of the rich and the addicted.
- Aron Michalski
Without the Telecom Act of 96 we'd all have gigabit internet right now, and the first internet meltdown wouldn't have happened
- Stephen Pickering
Artists need to diversify their own revenue streams - look at what's happening with musicians over on Etsy http://mashable.com/2011...
- Ankush Narula
I buy their t shirts. No streaming required.
- Aron Michalski
re music, better to have your favorites stored in higher resolutions than they'll stream, worth the overhead
- Jerome Hughes
Great, we need that group of people who F&%ed over the artist and F#$%ed over the listener at the same time survive. Hooray.
- Aron Michalski
That is the killer feature of #TT - upload own music Kevin Marks
- MarkDilley
streaming is great for discovery, if you've got ears & equipment, there's more there there locally for now
- Jerome Hughes
lets hangout on google plus & discuss technology guys http://goo.gl/BJP1j
- Abhijeet Desai
Zoë Keating says she gets people buying multiple copies of her albums to support her
- Kevin Marks
gold chain lizards
- Jerome Hughes
you're welcome
- kosso
Broke even
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks Kosso!
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Tina, thanks gang...
- Aron Michalski
ciao
- Ankush Narula
Splendid! Cheers! :)
- kosso
thanks everyone here... you make this show GREAT!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
cya guys in the hangout all r free to join http://goo.gl/BJP1j
- Abhijeet Desai
Time for a cup of tea. Ta ta for now.
- kosso
delete a G+ circle, g8 annimation
- cliveb
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who's on today?
- Kevin Marks
you are
- Steve Gillmor
kevin ... steve ... + ? ...
- Xenophrenia
just me?
- Kevin Marks
.Oscon takeaway, the boom's about Big Data.
- cliveb
Me.
- Robert Scoble
Tina - can't find Gillmor Gang on Ustream for iPad - used to work fine with the iPhone version
- Ankush Narula
hmm... need to work on that later. need to start the show.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
k
- Ankush Narula
:)
- Christian Burns
Danny's mic is hot
- Jerome Hughes
getting some packet loss here, I may need to switch to my 4g
- Kevin Marks
that's good Robert
- Tina Chase Gillmor
well ... overlap with TWiL ... missed the start .. hmm
- Xenophrenia
I created a filter for gmail that autoarchives notifications or comments on g+
- Christian Burns
Hey Forget about Twil ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
G+ circles making FB design antique
- cliveb
This is a beta being tested out on the public
- Xenophrenia
Just catch twil later, this is realtime folks
- Christian Burns
they need to test it at scale
- Kevin Marks
a brilliant comment Christian!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
TWiT shows are where I started (actually TechTV is where but... ) ... didn't discover this til later ;-) ... I have an interest in the legal issues with tech
- Xenophrenia
Tina chucklin'! :D
- Jerome Hughes
Joe Hewitt talking to MG over on TechCrunchTV
- Ankush Narula
Its called failing better than facebook.
- Christian Burns
Denise Howell is very smart...
- Kevin Marks
Loren said that about the squid
- Christian Burns
Mute this gif
- Christian Burns
how about Places, Moe?
- Kevin Marks
I love Denise...really I do1
- Tina Chase Gillmor
perhaps it could be both
- Jerome Hughes
with different views once that's more possible
- Jerome Hughes
Community is building with chrome plugins
- Christian Burns
This is so much more about profiles and identity... the activity stream and comment systems are a byproduct
- Jerry Schuman
Google can adopt the best features later
- Christian Burns
Google needs to accelerate personas combined with trust network validations
- Jerry Schuman
yep Jerry
- Christian Burns
Jerry - those just rollin' still get to breathe exhaust
- Jerome Hughes
yes
- Xenophrenia
Steve, bringing it back,
- Christian Burns
and then what happened?
- Jerome Hughes
2 much G+ noise like corp email CC
- cliveb
Google can address one of the biggest stumbling blocks today.. DISCOVERY, especially when it comes to how I can be contacted.. via a circle, via a VoIP call, via a Hangout etc etc etc. Combine webfinger with profiles and you're talking the directory of all directories.
- Jerry Schuman
Its still a mystery to me, few of my contacts use it and so it remains idle.
- Arnie Klaus
g+ is here to stay
- Christian Burns
cross posting sucks
- Xenophrenia
I would like to crosspost to facebook
- Christian Burns
I stop following people who do that - I'll follow your Twitter feed if I want to see you Twitter feed ;-)
- Xenophrenia
this is a great example of how I want to see a message... the message routing should be recipient determined.. not what the hell service I'm logged into.
- Jerry Schuman
Cross posting *everything* sucks, but cross posting *some* content across many networks can be useful.
- Chris Bray
Facebook killed our family blogging, g+ is going to bring it back
- Christian Burns
cross posting should be earned ?
- Jerome Hughes
Apple-Twitter all the media and best personal tools.
- Arnie Klaus
Cross post photos
- Christian Burns
Chris: exactly, and copying and pasting doesn't take long.
- Robert Scoble
yes - it depends on how and where ... but many who do that only post in one place and forward it to everyone else
- Xenophrenia
I understand *why* they do it ... but just because you can doesn't mean you should ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I copy and pasted my blog post in, but the lost links made it less useful
- Kevin Marks
I tend to use #fb on the end of a Tweet to cross post to Facebook, #li to post to LinkedIn, I'd use #gp to cross post to Google+, but I use them sparingly and only when applicable.
- Chris Bray
solution... be a better noise processor
- Jerome Hughes
our 8 year old family blog has been silent for 2 years
- Christian Burns
Tumblr's got blogging dialed right in
- cliveb
Ping is still a sleeping giant.
- Arnie Klaus
Posterous is how we do photos
- Christian Burns
LOL
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin has mad self mute skills
- Christian Burns
Kevin, nice headset and noise reducer. Brand?
- Arnie Klaus
suddenly I'm surrounded by lunch people. oops
- Kevin Marks
skillz!
- Jerome Hughes
Posterous seems to do pictures best, overall prefer Tumblr's edge
- cliveb
Moe... iOS5 *tw integration to the rescue
- Jerome Hughes
It's a Sony headset, with active noise supression.
- Kevin Marks
I have Danny in a circle called "flame bait"
- Jerry Schuman
kevin -- people found you. there are no private corners!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Google+ shows there still is room for someone else can get into the game.
- Arnie Klaus
gmail was a beta until they had it replicated across data centres
- Kevin Marks
g+ is whats happening now
- Christian Burns
the keynote just ended, and the 1000 or so left are snacking
- Kevin Marks
did you see MSFT's attack video on gmail?
- Kevin Marks
food rules
- Tina Chase Gillmor
google corp does need to learn, Danny pushback helps make that happen
- Christian Burns
Kevin, MSFT's 'GMail Man' is cringeworthy isn't it!
- Chris Bray
like with Apple - it's a religious type of thing ... people get a little crazy when they nearly worship something - Apple inspires religious experience according to science ;-)
- Xenophrenia
I wish Scoble hade a circle for posting to non noisy commentors.
- Christian Burns
Apple religion will launch ping
- Arnie Klaus
GMail Man is FUD ... scaring people for profit ...
- Xenophrenia
Scoble, do you read every comment?
- Christian Burns
I try. But I do fail.
- Robert Scoble
Like Leo said on Windows Weekly to Paul Thurrott - it's really no different than spell check only using it for different purposes ;-)
- Xenophrenia
totally understandable
- Christian Burns
I miss OSCON.. needs to come back to San Diego
- Jerry Schuman
I dont comment on a scoble posts because It feels like I wont connect, just add to the noise
- Christian Burns
call me back
- Kevin Marks
g+ embedded Peter Norvig direct report Ed Chi for HCI analysis / noise control etc
- cliveb
I love the nearby stream for g+
- Christian Burns
node,js getting a lot of attention too
- Kevin Marks
Christian: when I'm posting I'm almost always reading every comment, even when they come hot and heavy. But after say 30 minutes the chances I see it go down.
- Robert Scoble
Good to know, I also dont post unless I have something to add :)
- Christian Burns
Dont comment I mean :)
- Christian Burns
a bug?
- Kevin Marks
So the people who think before they type are the ones you don't read ;)
- fuzzyscorpio
@robert i found a complicated way to share a circle with people who are part of the circle.
- Abhijeet Desai
anyone going to the TechCrunch party later today?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes, flying back for the TC party tonight
- Kevin Marks
Cant go, Need to take care our our goats.
- Christian Burns
August Capital, tho' I think it's sold out
- Kevin Marks
send them a huddle message . when u c the participants of the circle . @ the end u c an add to circle option so u can add all those people in the huddle to a circle,
- Abhijeet Desai
see you later then Kevin. Maybe a drink together
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Christian - Goats sound like more fun!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I search for Rackspace and I see that Robert and Ben Fisher +1'd the site
- Jerry Schuman
Interestingly that same "xxx Shared This" also seems to hook into my Twitter feed somehow since it identified a share from a contact that's not on Google+ yet...
- Chris Bray
ya even i saw that
- Abhijeet Desai
I get HD net from Mark Cuban and Virgin inflight from Porter Gale when I search for movies
- Kevin Marks
So if lady gaga will +1 a page on google, would up the ranking for the little monsters?
- Christian Burns
probably separate DBs at the moment
- Kevin Marks
yes, christian
- Kevin Marks
they are working on it is what google said
- Abhijeet Desai
It'll be interesting to see how the fact that my Google+ and Twitter social graph is very different to my Facebook social graph (mainly tech/work rather than family/friends) affect these result promotions.
- Chris Bray
yes, social search is part of this
- Kevin Marks
lost you Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
crazy to be able to have these meaty commentaries and conversations but unable to retrieve any of it
- fuzzyscorpio
you're back!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
interesting.. http://blog.superfeedr.com/meta...
- Jerry Schuman
It’s a Chrome application that will silently build a small firehose of all the web services that you use online. It will show you some of these messages as HTML5 notifications.
- Jerry Schuman
Got to make lunch for the kids, see ya
- Christian Burns
there's now a right-wing plan to report Barack Obama for spamming twitter
- Kevin Marks
I actually think almost everyone now has "heard" of twitter, even if they don't use it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I can guarantee that my mother knows about both Twitter and Google+. Primarily because I'm her son and we're connected on FB and she's actively involved in politics. She's also 72
- Jerry Schuman
(mental image of Kool-Aid guy with a Facebook tattoo breaking through a firewall)
- Ankush Narula
Can someone explain the difference between search and track?
- Ankush Narula
twitter is now fail-whaling for me. did Obama DDOS it?
- Kevin Marks
Get rid of Xeni and you'll cut down on the cat photos ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
ya we need search for google plus
- Abhijeet Desai
Abhijeet: Sparks might eventually be that
- Ankush Narula
it's bloggy :)
- fuzzyscorpio
Anybody found a really good use for Sparks yet?
- Ginger Zumaeta
ankush... track was realtime push, search is just behind pull
- Jerome Hughes
may be but sparks is more like google news
- Abhijeet Desai
But sparks isn't nearly as good as google news - wish it was
- Ginger Zumaeta
i doubt it will fail but they may plan to buy twitter anyways !!
- Abhijeet Desai
sparks is a placeholder at the moment - I think we're going to see something really cool there that uses search algorithms and filters based on your social interactions/profile
- Ankush Narula
Nice Steve Gillmor gave Amy Winehouse props
- cliveb
one of my friends at Google who codes for Apple just quit to build his own iOS apps
- Kevin Marks
Google should look outside and hire contractors that can kick ass with iOS.
- Alex de Soto
LOL robert
- Abhijeet Desai
Google has 10 iPhone apps - I don't understand what Steve is alluding to
- Ankush Narula
Big companies create their own silos
- Arnie Klaus
Big G running a torrent of Android Hack-a-thons 3rd and 4th qtr
- cliveb
Steve has been playing Amy Winehouse at home all week
- Tina Chase Gillmor
the primary users of plus in its limited trial is alpha-geeks. I believe there is a general perception that IOS isn't for alpha geeks... that's Androids domain
- Jerry Schuman
Google got burnt by Apple holding up apps before; I bet Vic is still grumpy about that
- Kevin Marks
right Jerry
- fuzzyscorpio
@Kevin that too
- fuzzyscorpio
Tina, great, he was not alone.
- cliveb
the Google+ app on android is not specially tuned for the android tablet either.
- Kevin Marks
the politics of dancing
- Jerry Schuman
Rapid adaptive social tool design
- Arnie Klaus
Jerry: most alpha geeks I know use iPhones. Android has that peception, yes, but only 20% of the Where 2.0 attendees had ANdroid. Everyone else had iPhones.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I totally agree with you. It's also my experience but I can only imagine the discussion among product management on Google regarding platform priority.
- Jerry Schuman
@Robert that's nice to hear.
- fuzzyscorpio
(I am an iDufus :))
- fuzzyscorpio
I'm currently using an HTC Inspire and curse it daily
- Jerry Schuman
Noise: Betas are so 90s. I'm using Mac OS X Lion $29 "non-beta" now. Issues crop up daily but friendly geeks share their workarounds while we wait for an update from Apple.
- Alex de Soto
not very well defined noise
- Jerome Hughes
Steve - in the meantime use Boxcar for notifications (http://boxcar.io)
- Ankush Narula
hangout isn't on android either yet
- Kevin Marks
they never get surfaced... that is a badly flawed part of Circles
- Jerry Schuman
Right on the money Steve!
- Alex de Soto
I thought it was a major mistake when they gave the example of:
- Jerry Schuman
there should be a way for your private messages to go to your priority inbox or something. but has to be a message from someone you want to hear from.
- Laura Norvig
pseudo email with Google+
- Jerry Schuman
what value does this unknown entity provide?
- Jerome Hughes
Jerome: explain, sorry, I lost context.
- Robert Scoble
Google is crowdsourcing features for Google Plus. They have so stated. Their wheels are spinning...
- Alex de Soto
Condensed view and other cool G+ features for Chrome: http://huyz.us/google-plus-me/
- Ankush Narula
ya we need hangout for mobile - android/ios
- Abhijeet Desai
@Robert why don't you turn off "added-you" notifications? or did I miss something?
- fuzzyscorpio
btw: you can create a circle and stick yourself in it to create the idea of an inbox.
- Jerry Schuman
I'm in marketing, and I don't see a problem with keeping all brands out for now. Their problem was letting a handful in.
- Alex de Soto
you can't turn off added you from the notification stream, only from email
- Kevin Marks
when someone you don't know injects, what does their history tell you about their motive?
- Jerome Hughes
thanks @Kevin, sorry, I see that now
- fuzzyscorpio
but how are you ever going to see my new product code named SQUID?
- Jerry Schuman
lol
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerry points out the boy in the filter bubble
- Jerome Hughes
That right Jerry. I use one as a "Read Later" circle.
- Alex de Soto
you can filter your notifications though, in the web interface. You can see either "added" or "posts you made" etc.
- Laura Norvig
G+ Android app is sweet (to me)
- cliveb
I do wish cats and their admirers weren't becoming the whipping post of G+ :)
- fuzzyscorpio
I'm having way more fun with Spotify this week than with G+
- Laura Norvig
like a twitter retweet in the web ui
- Ankush Narula
more seriously, I also kinda wish I could refuse people the right to circle me... already I'm thinking i should stop using "Public"
- fuzzyscorpio
good idea robert
- Abhijeet Desai
Certainly you want to hear about MY cats!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I should be able to mutea user from my incoming stream
- Christian Burns
from Android
thanks for the snappy ringbacks tina
- Kevin Marks
feline order of personality
- Jerome Hughes
you should have some special circles for that
- Kevin Marks
gesturing!
- Jerome Hughes
exactly
- Kevin Marks
alert me more strongly with...
- Kevin Marks
I missed that notifications filter dropdown on plus.google.com, thanks @Laura Norvig! that's handy
- fuzzyscorpio
Hey Christian... did you already feed those kids. Man you're fast
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Noise prolly inspired Dave Morin
- cliveb
it's easy to miss, fuzzyscorpio - I stumbled on it randomly.
- Laura Norvig
the notifications filter probably doesn't help Robert because he doesn't want to break from the stream
- fuzzyscorpio
Noise is relative. So filtering en masse would be difficult. User tagging (of posts) would help.
- Alex de Soto
Hold on they've said that this deployment is a stripped down version of something more fully fledged that is deployed internally.
- Jerry Schuman
@Tina I'm going to look for you over there and put you in my "feline" circle :)
- fuzzyscorpio
Danny's got it.
- Arnie Klaus
Geez I hope The Google+ dev folks are listening today. we're doing some good work for them here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Google is gun shy from the Buzz blow back
- Jerry Schuman
they intend to add it to other google products, they've said that, so probably testing that internally
- Kevin Marks
other teams didn't believe in it initially?
- Kevin Marks
Ping is a field trial with patience.
- Arnie Klaus
Yep, I'm standing in the kitchen just eating now. Not able to listen, just ff on the android
- Christian Burns
from Android
I love broughten... it's good with brautwurst.
- Jerry Schuman
ha
- Ankush Narula
lol @Jerry
- fuzzyscorpio
Reuters FLASH: Bill Gates sells 5,000,000 shares of Microsoft for average $27.59 each on July 27, 2011 -SEC filing.
- Alex de Soto
I saw the WebOS tablet from HP here, nice OS, tablet too heavy for now
- Kevin Marks
Jerry ha
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Short MSFT..
- Jerry Schuman
Do they still use Zunes?
- Arnie Klaus
Sucks deep... no comment ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I use Facebook
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Facebook = Family and Friends
- Alex de Soto
Windows Phone 7 - Arrington's comment on Gillmor Gang back in September: https://twitter.com/#!...
- Ankush Narula
Ankush: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Just the idea they called it "Windows" shows how utterly borked MSFT is...
- Jerry Schuman
Scale of Microsoft and Partner channel biz model require top guy to be product guy (not sales guy)
- cliveb
and then to name it after years... ooops!
- Jerome Hughes
lets carry this discussion forward on google hangout https://talkgadget.google.com/hangout...
- Abhijeet Desai
Jerry++
- Ankush Narula
Someone ask Loic how grateful he is that Microsoft lead him down the silverlight path for Seesmic and then abandoned it.
- Jerry Schuman
haha
- Ankush Narula
RIM is dead.
- Jim Turner
Jerry: Loic Plays for Sure ;-)
- Ankush Narula
MSFT + Nokia - Too little too late?
- Chris Bray
-honeycomb (in my searches)
- Jerome Hughes
RIM is valuable (to Google?)
- cliveb
Cadence - The root of social.
- Arnie Klaus
API!!!! embrace the developers
- Jerry Schuman
"HP TouchPad. Works like nothing else." - I was at BestBuy yesterday and both display units were uncharged and turned off - unlike the iPads in the next display
- Ankush Narula
they need the eco-system
- Jerry Schuman
but can they tolerate it?
- Jerome Hughes
a deprecating decorator icon is optimal!
- Jerome Hughes
Instagram Cat Pictures!
- Alex de Soto
Cadence (lack of it) is MSFT's cross to bear.
- cliveb
google has launched photovine isnt it like instagram ???
- Abhijeet Desai
I've been waiting for a Photovine invitation for a while....
- Alex de Soto
I can't believe Steve said that about solarization, LOL
- fuzzyscorpio
throw your phone in the air, just like you just don't care!
- Jerome Hughes
@Abhijeet same general idea, as I understand it
- fuzzyscorpio
who cares, Roku rocks!
- Laura Norvig
3DS price slashed abt 1/3rd
- cliveb
Roku supports Hulu and Amazon as well as Netflix
- Ankush Narula
apps on AppleTV... it's just around the corner
- Jerry Schuman
they turn on that bluetooth chip and it's going to get interesting.
- Jerry Schuman
What does the bluetooth chip give you that the Wifi doesn't?
- Ankush Narula
Live stream that one Steve.
- Jim Turner
good save!
- Jerome Hughes
bye ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Good show guys :)
- Chris Bray
guys join a hangout to discuss tech now https://talkgadget.google.com/hangout...
- Abhijeet Desai
Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Adios muchachos(chas)!
- Alex de Soto
Interesting, I'll definitely tune in again! Sorry I haven't sooner.
- fuzzyscorpio
hello? did y'all finish?
- Kevin Marks
its over Kev
- Jerry Schuman
We should charge Google for product consulting.
- Robert Scoble
Amy Winehouse - Tenderly http://youtu.be/LNA2TdfsQhg
- cliveb
r they listening? :D
- Jerome Hughes
Robert: We are the product
- Ankush Narula
Who needs instagram? https://plus.google.com/1095818...
- Kevin Marks
@kevin the show has ended
- Abhijeet Desai
Bye all http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Ankush Narula
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starting in 10 minutes
- Steve Gillmor
slight delay but things are looking good here in the studio
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am so patient.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine is that a mantra or are you tempting fate?
- Aron Michalski
Hi everybody:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Mantra of course.
- Francine Hardaway
hi, saw a snippet of Andrew Keen early there, guess he'll be one of the guests
- Jerome Hughes
Hey, see what the comment list just did? Can we get G+ to learn that trick?
- Aron Michalski
Sorry, I'm the holdup. On now. Starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Is Andrew even on +? I looked for him and couldn't find him
- Francine Hardaway
sure G+ will learn a bunch more "new" tricks pretty quickly
- Jerome Hughes
Sweeeeeeeeet!
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew, do you belong to + yet?
- Francine Hardaway
Andrew Keen is the last one not on Google+. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Hi everyone.
- Nir Ben Yona
Andrew's interview with the G+ folks was great!
- Alex de Soto
I enjoyed it.
- Robert Scoble
Why???
- Francine Hardaway
I enjoyed it, too. I meant why wasn't Andrew on +
- Francine Hardaway
Social backbone articel: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
can someone shoot a link to the Keen/G+ interview?
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Kevin.
- Aron Michalski
Gray, the studio cat, reset some audio setting before the show and now is crying outside wanting to come in a mess up some other stuff
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Let him/her in! --animal rights activist
- Francine Hardaway
that's Steve's Beatle coffe mug
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I am getting about 100 and know 1
- Francine Hardaway
What is the word on g+ for Apps accts? Nobody I know cares abt anything else. Just internal Collab.
- coldbrew
3 and 0
- Aron Michalski
I want the ones that don't just say "I agree"
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble's family blocked him too?
- Kevin Marks
my thought as well...noise,noise, noise.
- Aron Michalski
+Kevin Marks of course. They were first
- Francine Hardaway
noisy people, then the people who follow them
- Kevin Marks
Haven't we all been through this before as we organized this very site I'm typing info into?
- coldbrew
then, the people I follow who comment on the floods, making te show up in my notifications
- Kevin Marks
The collapsing comments would help along with Micah's chrome plug in.
- Aron Michalski
yes, coldbrew. Or indeed in blog comments before that
- Kevin Marks
Kevin: no, my family doesn't get to see every post. Only some of them.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: Facebook algorithmically filters out a LOT of posts.
- Robert Scoble
G+ could learn a great deal from watching an active swarm on FF, circa 2 years ago.
- Aron Michalski
a billion shares a day!
- Kenny
How about when the original poster +1/Likes a comment, it bubbles up to the top - seems like a moderated approach
- Ankush Narula
Current numbers are irrelevant.
- coldbrew
It's a marathon, not a sprint.
- coldbrew
agreed coldbrew
- Kenny
you don't see all the posts on twitter, that's the point.
- Kevin Marks
The simple fact is, G+ is also much easier (than FriendFeed) for the average user to digest.
- Darren
I joined in Jan 2007
- Francine Hardaway
Google is probably just happy they are not seeing a Wave/Buzz response, getting something more viral.
- Aron Michalski
ah hang on, try this link for Keen's interview: http://techcrunch.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Friendfeed, Twitter and Facebook were training grounds for social media interactions. Made it easy to adopt G+ and whatever comes next.
- Alex de Soto
Oslo on G+ was more visceral and compelling.
- Aron Michalski
i think Quora has it right
- Ankush Narula
G+ is Facebook but for people you're interested in. Unlike Twitter,engagement is confined to comments and likes which means the stream itself is less polluted and easier to find topics/information to converse around.
- Darren
Ales -I was feeling the same about the acceptance of plus. we're already well educated in Social
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alex, good point. Perhaps we were just being taught to navigate the stream and learn some manners.
- Aron Michalski
it's twiiter+facebook+Friendfeed
- Kenny
Ales=Alex
- Tina Chase Gillmor
mmm, Ale
- Kevin Marks
Where is the startup that allows you to import your g+ data?
- coldbrew
It's Twitter spliced with Facebook.
- Darren
I can follow/see public folks like Robert, Kevin Marks, etc but I also follow/see my family/friends (if they ever join) - I get to chose!
- Kenny
On my way to get some....ale that is. I'll catch the recording later.
- Alex de Soto
We need an API first?
- coldbrew
I have 50 lists on Facebook
- Ankush Narula
Marks: It's pilsner for me today. Too hot.
- coldbrew
Oslo - G+ limitation is that you can't post images/video as comment to a post
- Doug
Hangouts + Gaming is going to revolutionize things.
- Darren
Steve says my chair is too noisy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert might need to move to the other end of the counter...
- Aron Michalski
So if G+ adds crowdsourced topic tagging (like Quora) maybe the content becomes much more relevant and interesting
- Ankush Narula
Naive, Robert. VCs don't talk much about their deals publicly, and they also have lives:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Sorry what?
- Darren
2 things G+ needs to add/fix quickly before people get annoyed and move on: 1) only show the last 5 replies, minimizes the rest(user can expand all replies if they want), 2) stop pushing posts to the top when there is a new reply or at least make it an option
- Kenny
what to who, Darren?
- Kevin Marks
I have a Chrome extension that collapsed old posts
- Francine Hardaway
Kenny +1
- Ankush Narula
- Francine Hardaway -something like that should that should be built in
- Kenny
Kevin, in reference to Steve and his "authoritative stream" comment.
- Darren
I'd be interested in this crew's thoughts on the 'anonymous' kids wreaking havoc. Any Interest in sharing those?
- coldbrew
Kevin - the people who make all this noise are the Scobles, you, etc of the world, those people get put into a certain circle and I look at it when I want - I switch between stream types to see different info
- Kenny
Seems like Techmeme has slowed it's crawling down considerably.
- coldbrew
Kenny, sounds like you get some utility out of lists (or in this case circles) as also happens here
- Jerome Hughes
I need to confess...I'm having a Corona with lime right now. The weekend begins
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I forgive you Tina
- Francine Hardaway
I agree with Scoble. If your goal is good information, why build a graph based on people instead of interests?
- Darren
thank you Francine. That means the world to me ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerome, yes. I just need G+ to allow me to watch select several stream at once, instead of one at a time, for example let me check off and watch my friends and family streams and not see the others until I want ot
- Kenny
Darren: The info eventually comes from people, so one has to trust the sources or the info is irrelevant.
- coldbrew
Kenny, until you can mix them, do you run multiple tabs for your faves?
- Jerome Hughes
people are a good locus of information; twitter allows non-human authorities to speak too
- Kevin Marks
Winer seems to be a bit off lately.
- coldbrew
and semi-human, too!
- Jerome Hughes
I would argue more human, but there ya go.
- coldbrew
Jerome, no I just switch between them - kind of a pain right now
- Kenny
On G+, I think I've added about 100 people who have made a good comment - it's as simple as mousing over and adding them to the Following circle (and I've removed people just as quickly for too many crappy posts)
- Ankush Narula
You can add G+ search in Chrome, and i hear of extensions too
- Majento
"If winer didnt built it himself, it sucks" - that's what I'm getting.
- coldbrew
Kevin, That would be a clear circle for me in a folder/list/Flipboard sense with the newsbots in a circle and the respected commenters in another.
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew, the algorithm can leverage people for prioritization, reputation and ranking of the information.
- Darren
I gotcha say Gilmor seems more positive about G+ then any other Google product...I'm shocked
- Kenny
any comments on the gaming announcement?
- Aron Michalski
coldbrew: I think Winer gets frustrated with closed and centralized solutions - it just so happens that most of the popular services of the day are just that
- Ankush Narula
there was a gaming announcement? I thought it was just rumor?
- Kenny
It's a much better product than the last 5 they have presented, even if they are kinda parts of G+
- Aron Michalski
Darren: I suppose. But, I'm one of those people that doesn't like the algorithm, nor data mining. Personal preference, of course.
- coldbrew
Kenny... since gMail, perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
that's also part of what kicks off that article citation links, those "entity" accounts ~ "personas"
- Jerome Hughes
Because Google screwed up
- Ankush Narula
he now has two accounts with the ame name, right?
- Kenny
I'm with Gillmor on this one. I'll say no more
- coldbrew
yep
- Ankush Narula
@violetblue on G+ http://t.co/pUDi0mA (face up internet full of socializing sexual humans).
- cliveb
@mashable on twitter is Pete Cashmore's account
- Kevin Marks
as is @petecashmore
- Kevin Marks
Hrm. Is this a little bias I'm sensing now?
- Darren
Darren? how so?
- Robert Scoble
The problem for businesses is authenticity and brand infringement - Google needs to create certified accounts
- Ankush Narula
Maybe not an announcement... https://plus.google.com/1100125...
- Aron Michalski
#FB eventually intro'ed fan pages for this
- Jerome Hughes
http://venturebeat.com/2011... Club Penguin in their sights
- Kevin Marks
Scobilzer is the internet!
- cliveb
Are they insisting on us regurgitating info or us morphing into a brand with our name?
- Aron Michalski
I'm confused ;)
- Kenny
it's a word now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Facebook == Mark Zuckerberg?
- Ankush Narula
individuals interact with other individuals and with institutions both
- Jerome Hughes
I sometimes think of some of you as a source , rarely a brand (Scoble maybe) but always individuals.
- Aron Michalski
is Andy Carvin NPR?
- Kevin Marks
thanks, Kevin!
- Jerome Hughes
There's no question that G+ is genius. It's completely changed my perspective of Google and their future. It's also changed how I think about their existing services.
- Darren
that's this point: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
I can't wait until it is integrated with GReader, Gmail, etc
- Francine Hardaway
Kevin: yes, Andy is NPR.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, here's Andy Carvin on Google+: https://plus.google.com/1173780...
- Robert Scoble
WOW I agree with Gilmor
- Kenny
Steve is right on
- Christian Burns
Everyone settle down now, G+ is a brand new service, they will work through these issues (sum might agree with it others won't), Twitter and Facebook all have gone through these issues and will still go through similar issue - It took years for Facebook to get to 750mil users - it will take a while for G+ to grow past these issues
- Kenny
I agree with him as well.
- Francine Hardaway
I value Kevin and Steve's pointers more than a media source, more along the lines of an advisor or spiritual guide. I'm sure that sounds daft, but because they bring their personality and brains to the equation, it adds value to the post.
- Aron Michalski
Its a bete
- Christian Burns
beta
- Christian Burns
Watch Ed Chi embedded in G+ for direction http://bit.ly/pJWl7m
- cliveb
Keen, :) no
- Christian Burns
Kevin's voice sounds particularly good today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm not sure how a public persona would not be on it (I'm not a public persona, so I am not on it).
- coldbrew
is this keen? https://plus.google.com/1145004...
- Kevin Marks
I just joined, Will there be an mp3 download rob?
- Christian Burns
this group rocks… here's a list that _might_ be useful... http://twitter.com/list...
- Jerome Hughes
Airplay
- Ankush Narula
thank me! ;)
- Kenny
ah, thank you tina.
- Kevin Marks
more so than someone who is co-opted by a corporate plan (well, Salesforce has nothing to offer me professionally other than a day of employment next month).
- Aron Michalski
thanks, Kenny!
- Jerome Hughes
I have missed the gang sooooo much
- Christian Burns
:)
- Kenny
thanks guys.
- coldbrew
Thank you. Cya next time!
- Nir Ben Yona
later all
- Kenny
ciao
- Ankush Narula
Thank you all.
- Aron Michalski
good to see you here, Christian! and thanks to all
- Jerome Hughes
This was good, thanks all
- Majento
One of these days we should do a hangout
- Christian Burns
Re: Superglue Stitches - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"We had to take our son to the urgent care for stitches for a cut on his face. The Dr used this glue and billed the insurance over $400."
- Christian Burns
Re: Superglue Stitches - http://www.kk.org/cooltoo...
"We had to take our son to the urgent care for stitches for a cut on his face. The Dr used this glue and billed the insurance over $400."
- Christian Burns
Re: Apple needs to do more for parents - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"I would let my boys, 5 and 7, play with my iPhone at bedtime, set the passlock, and set a 20 min alarm to put the device to sleep. Then they would be done, and I would just retrive it later after they were asleep. Be sure to set it to airplane mode so they can't call 911."
- Christian Burns
Re: Apple needs to do more for parents - http://scobleizer.com/2011...
"I would let my boys, 5 and 7, play with my iPhone at bedtime, set the passlock, and set a 20 min alarm to put the device to sleep. Then they would be done, and I would just retrive it later after they were asleep. Be sure to set it to airplane mode so they can't call 911."
- Christian Burns
Pour-Over Coffee Is an Intriguing Alternative for Coffee Snobs [Coffee] - http://lifehacker.com/#!57592...
This is how I drink it ay home
- Christian Burns
Bootleg Gillmor Gang is on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/WebObje...
So jack, I will be honest. It looks like you have taken the republishing of the Gillmor Gang too far. These older episodes are not cc licensed and should not be put up on archive.org now having an unauthurised iTunes feed called gillmor gang is flat out bad news. It's confusing for his brand. You should really name the feed something else.
- Christian Burns
I tend to agree with Christian, I think this might be one too much. That people are going out of their way to get a continuous incoming Gillmore gang, as a time-shifted podcast, should be a wakeup call to Steve. I will say right now, this is one podcast I would pay for receiving regularly, as a podcast.
- Robert
The old episodes I posted are all ones that were originally broadcast on Twit Live, so presumably cc. I only posted them after Steve/Mike(?) took http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com down. I have renamed the RSS http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... to "Bootleg Gillmor Gang" and this should update the itunes title soon if it hasn't already. If Steve doesn't like the show on itunes he can click "Report a concern"
- Jack
According to itunes the Bootleg feed to more popular than the Newsgang feed (I don't know what that says though). Feedburner reports 200 subscribers to the above feed and 350 downloads of this weeks show (106 of the first part 250 of the second) and 546 total downloads. The link Mike posted to part2 of that show: http://bit.ly/info/2nhNLw has almost 3900 clicks.
- Jack
And also I have cloned the original feed to give it a different address: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/Bootleg...
- Jack
Edited to remove exclamation mark and clarify, but the itunes link is only as people find listening to podcasts difficult (according to Leo)
- Jack
Good, that should be enough of a change.
- Christian Burns
thanks jack
- Christopher Harris
jack: what happened to the feed? should I extract mp3 from youtube? ;-)
- Sebastian Keil
For those listening to GG, Steve has published a new audio feed: http://friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Sebastian Keil
I shall no longer be updating the bootleg feed. See here http://friendfeed.com/jackx1...
- Jack
Until I hear different from Steve, you can now use this too. http://ggbootleg.posterous.com/rss...
- Sebastian Keil
Re: TechCrunch Giveaway: An Apple iPad #TechCrunch - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"This iPad must be mine because we can't wait until next year to have a tablet in our house."
- Christian Burns
Re: TechCrunch Giveaway: An Apple iPad #TechCrunch - http://techcrunch.com/2011...
"This iPad must be mine because we can't wait until next year to have a tablet in our house."
- Christian Burns
Fast Food Ads versus Reality - http://www.everydayminimalist.com/...
So what, yum :)
- Christian Burns
Forrester Forecasts One Third Of U.S. Online Consumers Will Own A Tablet By 2015 - http://techcrunch.com/2011...
Duh.
- Christian Burns
This Year, Apple Has Two Fangs To Suck The Blood Out Of CES: iPad 2 And Verizon iPhone - http://techcrunch.com/2010...
I am still gonna say nope to the Verizon iPhone rumor. Not till 2012. But an iPad that has CDMA and runs on Verizon would be much more likely. My wife would get one, and we could ditch home internet.
- Christian Burns
Galaxy Music Player to be Unveiled by Samsung During CES - http://chris.pirillo.com/galaxy-...
Let the android non-phones begin to rule
- Christian Burns
Going home for the holidays - MakerBot Industries - http://blog.makerbot.com/2010...
I would love to do this.
- Christian Burns
Re: Fred Wilson and Fortune are right about Android vs iOS (and everyone else), but I hate it - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"After almost 2 years with an iPhone I just made re switch to Android via a Droid X. The default settings on android don't compare to the iPhone. But as a geek you can take advantage of the widgets, and custom launcher (launcherpro) makes it feel like this phone can be whatever I want it to be, instead of just what apple wants. Apple drives the innovation but android will mop up. The cost of android will continue to drop. Just wait till you can get a non dataplan android phone, wifi only without a contract. 2012 will also be the year of android as devices come to market that fill in the gaps, not phones, not pads, watches?"
- Christian Burns
Re: Fred Wilson and Fortune are right about Android vs iOS (and everyone else), but I hate it - http://scobleizer.com/2010...
"After almost 2 years with an iPhone I just made re switch to Android via a Droid X. The default settings on android don't compare to the iPhone. But as a geek you can take advantage of the widgets, and custom launcher (launcherpro) makes it feel like this phone can be whatever I want it to be, instead of just what apple wants. Apple drives the innovation but android will mop up. The cost of android will continue to drop. Just wait till you can get a non dataplan android phone, wifi only without a contract. 2012 will also be the year of android as devices come to market that fill in the gaps, not phones, not pads, watches?"
- Christian Burns
Re: Fred Wilson and Fortune are right about Android vs iOS (and everyone else), but I hate it - http://scobleizer.disqus.com/fred_wi...
"After almost 2 years with an iPhone I just made re switch to Android via a Droid X. The default settings on android don't compare to the iPhone. But as a geek you can take advantage of the widgets, and custom launcher (launcherpro) makes it feel like this phone can be whatever I want it to be, instead of just what apple wants. Apple drives the innovation but android will mop up. The cost of android will continue to drop. Just wait till you can get a non dataplan android phone, wifi only without a contract. 2012 will also be the year of android as devices come to market that fill in the gaps, not phones, not pads, watches?"
- Christian Burns
Re: Scripting News: A Web Trust to publish and store our creative work - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"The closest thing I see right now is archive.org, and wordpress.com I would trust both of these entities to hang on as long as the internet is around or at least the next 100 years. In 50 years most of us will only be read by our desendants, unless like you, they have some historical relevance. My personal legacy plan will be import our wordpress into a wordpress.com blog one day, and host audio on archive.org. But for most people, Facebook is all they have, and one day their grandkids will pay facebook to mine the data of their ansestors."
- Christian Burns
Re: Scripting News: A Web Trust to publish and store our creative work - http://scripting.disqus.com/scripti...
"The closest thing I see right now is archive.org, and wordpress.com I would trust both of these entities to hang on as long as the internet is around or at least the next 100 years. In 50 years most of us will only be read by our desendants, unless like you, they have some historical relevance. My personal legacy plan will be import our wordpress into a wordpress.com blog one day, and host audio on archive.org. But for most people, Facebook is all they have, and one day their grandkids will pay facebook to mine the data of their ansestors."
- Christian Burns
Re: Scripting News: A Web Trust to publish and store our creative work - http://scripting.com/stories...
"The closest thing I see right now is archive.org, and wordpress.com I would trust both of these entities to hang on as long as the internet is around or at least the next 100 years. In 50 years most of us will only be read by our desendants, unless like you, they have some historical relevance. My personal legacy plan will be import our wordpress into a wordpress.com blog one day, and host audio on archive.org. But for most people, Facebook is all they have, and one day their grandkids will pay facebook to mine the data of their ansestors."
- Christian Burns
The origin of podcasting - http://scripting.com/stories...
I am glad podcasting came to town
- Christian Burns
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