Got an error! Nooo! "The FriendFeed API retuend a 403 (Forbidden) for that request. It is possible that FF To Go is being rate limited" - Bwana McCall
Yup; I'm getting a 403 now...which means it's being rate limited. - Benjamin Golub
I got this working for NoiseRiver as of yesterday :) I tell you folks: entries deletion and undeletion are coming too... they just aren't as stable as me and Ben want them to be :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
Ben, It works fine for me! These methods use authentication --you know that - directeur via NoiseRiver
It's possible that the FriendFeed team might not have meant for us to start using these API calls...if so I'm sorry FF. - Benjamin Golub
I'm sad if it's the case. I was playing with them since yesterday and even deletion worked and then it stopped... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Yes, you're right... it's now throwing 403 errors on NoiseRiver too :( - directeur via NoiseRiver
What is fftogo? The site doesn't have an about page. - Bjorn Tipling
Hide disabled until it becomes more stable/official; I'll enable it again later, promise! - Benjamin Golub
I'm sorry Ben, it worked for me since yesterday this is why I told you it was stable... - directeur via NoiseRiver
Doesn't friendfeed have a mobile version? They definitely have an iphone version. - Bjorn Tipling
No mobile version other than the iPhone version. - Benjamin Golub
perhaps it would be useful in the meantime to implement an individual entry hide implementation separate from the official FF hide? should be trivial because NoiseRiver is already filtering/hiding by keyword and fftogo should be easy to add a filter for entry ids per user. also would be easy to filter services and users/services, too. the foaf stuff gets a bit complicated, though. when (if?) the hide APIs are added officially, it should be easy to sync/transfer the hidden entries back to FF. - David Vasileff
David: You're actually right. Implementing "my" own version of hide should be easy and very doable for NoiseRiver. But I think that it would be in vain for two reasons: 1) I discovered almost by coincidence that "(un)hide" and "(un)delete" features are coming to the API and I integrated them to NoiseRiver and told Ben and Patrick (the guy behind MioNiews) about them. Alas it's as we may see very soon to be used. We're waiting for the official release so we can really use them. 2) Implementing our hiding won't be better than the FriendFeed Api's one because filtering from the source is always better than filtering before the display. - directeur via NoiseRiver
directeur, I agree with your point. I don't know if users are craving hide but if they were and APIs weren't going to be available for a while and it was a barrier to user adoption, it's something to consider. in any case, I think there is merit in having ability to hide separate from FF, perhaps more with fftogo, where mobile users might want to hide rich media posts or hide entries with lots of comments on mobile but still have them display on friendfeed.com - David Vasileff
This will be a photograph in the top 10 of many future lists. - Andrew Baron
Explanation: "In January 2007, people from Perth, Australia gathered on a local beach to watch a sky light up with delights near and far. Nearby, fireworks exploded as part of Australia Day celebrations. On the far right, lightning from a thunderstorm flashed in the distance. Near the image center, though, seen through clouds, was the most unusual sight of all: Comet McNaught. The photogenic comet was so bright that it even remained visible though the din of Earthly flashes. Comet McNaught has now returned to the outer Solar System and is now only visible with a large telescope. The above image is actually a three photograph panorama digitally processed to reduce red reflections from the exploding firework." - Andrew Baron
Wow, 153 people 'liked this" so far and almost 30 comments. - Andrew Baron
Absolutely incredible shot! Then again some of the best shots on the web come from NASA, National Geographic, Discovery and, of course, Hawk :) - Charlie Anzman
Not to be too cynical but that shot seems to good to be true -- I wonder if there is more processing going on than the text seems to admit. - Brian Sullivan
I'm going to side with Brian here. What is right: Comet McNaught was that bright in WA (I use to live there), but I checked my attempted pics, they predate this by over a week. I'm sure the comet was only that bright for less than a week. Second, the main Australia Day fireworks occur in Perth City...which isn't near a beach . Maybe it's Leighton Beach with Fremantle to the left...but it doesn't seem right. I did check the weather records though, there was a storm that night, and it's in the right direction - Duncan Riley
I do hope it is real though...and I forgot how wonderful the environment there is - Duncan Riley
Duncan, last year both Fremantle and I believe Hillarys held their own fireworks for Australia Day. I myself was trying to guess the location this morning. Being a regular on Leighton beach though it doesn't look familiar so I was thinking it may have been taken to the north of Hillarys. It also made me very nostalgic for Perth :) - Penny
At 257 likes, the #1 most liked post of all time on FriendFeed (at least #1 of the past 30 days of my friends, and more than any other I can remember...). Antti Kemppainen Photography - Here's Antti's original picture http://jkemppainen.com/antti/i... Antti's e-mail is kemppaisantti@gmail.com, and you can scroll through Antti's other photos. - Mitchell Tsai
Sure, is a great tool! Also the first Twitter tool where followers are listed in alphabetic order when creating a group: great! - Jeroen De Miranda
Fred, cool to go to Europe with enough time so you don't have to be a tourist every day. See what it's like to live there. - Dave Winer
@davewiner i am working about 1/2 of the time, being a tourist about 1/3 of the time, and just living here the rest of the time - Fred Wilson
The summize search is the track function that we want so bad for twitter to return. Did you read Steve's post about the Crown Jewels? - Christian Burns
I agree, TweetDeck has made twitter fun again - Bjorn Tipling
“I didn't realize how much I missed Google Reader. Reading items there I feel a lot smarter than after just reading headlines in FriendFeed. I definitely need to rebalance my reading between the two. Anyone else feel that way?”
Love Google Reader. I end up with both news and insights that I never would have gotten anywhere else. - BISQ
I can't seem to get away from Google Reader. There's so much interesting stuff in it that haven't been shared to Friendfeed yet. With Toluu, I'm finding more and more things that I like, and just haven't made their rounds on Friendfeed. - Mark Trapp
I feel like if I don't listen to NPR in the monring I miss the news all together. If I just read the things i see on FF or Twitter I get a whole lot of random web news but not much whole world news. - Whit Scott via twhirl
I always read through Google reader before coming to FriendFeed in the morning. - Louis Gray
I read everything through Google Reader. - Josue Sanchez
Google Reader seems to offer me more control over what I see. Also -- much more variety. FriendFeed offers a wider range of subjects. (Content developers don't need to subscribe to FriendFeed.) Plus -- anything Google I am a fan of. - Charles Barthold
Absolutely. FriendFeed has a bit of a swiss army knife feel to it at the moment, with lots of folks trying to using it to replace a bunch of specialized tools like feed readers, forums/threaded comment systems, IM, etc. - Ken Sheppardson
FF has really cut into my feed reading time. I need to rebalance, too. - Harvey Simmons
yeah FF is just grabbing more and more of my attention - Stefan Hayden
Exactly. Feedfeed is great catching trends but I learn more from my regular readings in Google Reader. - Leon Ho
I used to hit FeedDemon in the morning after email, but now Snackr and Netvibes (thanks to Marshall Kirkpatrick's suggestion) let me get the quick hits and news. I glance at FriendFeed via Twhirl as it ticks by just to see what's up. - Tris Hussey via NoiseRiver
Yeah, but I don't necessarily agree that it is Google Reader as much as it's an RSS reader of your choice, with my choice being NetNewsWire. - Andru Edwards
There's something about seeing the full text of an item that makes reading feeds much more satisfying (and more efficient, because here in FF I have to click on interesting headlines and wait for the item to load to read it). - Robert Scoble
Actually, at this point I prefer SocialMedian - it gives me a fast view w/ summaries - Lucretia Pruitt
What is it about FF that makes it addictive - that (1) people like it (2) but they still think they are using it too much? Maybe other social media startups need to figure out what the FriendFeed-juice is? - Mitchell Tsai
The key to Google Reader is balancing volume with quality. I'd rather follow many feeds that have only a few entries per day than those that have dozens. - Georg
I am using a mixture of FF/Google Reader and Netvibes - riaz
Feedly is quite nice when I can get it to work through my corp proxy. - Greg
Yes, this is why I really like the practice of using the "Share with a note" feature in Google Reader to quote a relevant part from the original content so that it can appear as a summary comment here on FF - Vlado Handziski
I moved all my RSS reads to Feedly. It's foundation is Google Reader, but served up in a magazine format. I can get through it in less than half the time as directly through GR. - Bob Finch
Google reader, for sure. I like FF for the random stuff it throws at me that I can follow up on somewhere else, but I need Google to feel caught up on the things I need. - K Welch
Good lord, Robert -- I never left Google Reader. GR is vastly more efficient for processing news feeds than Friendfeed. With a few tweaks, FF could bring itself up the level of GR, but so far we haven't seen much feedback from FF developers regarding these suggestions. My lead folder in GR is a stream of pure gold with no dross or distracting trivia. - Sean McBride
FriendFeed is more about specific people. Google Reader is more about feeds in general. We all need to balance the specific and the general. - Mike Abundo
Would you rather have a sandwich or a snickers bar for lunch? I love the snickers bar, but most days I will definitely choose the sandwich, if I must choose. - J. Phil
I'm a netvibes man, it enables me to peruse 90+ article titles on one page/tab and I have 7 tabs. The sharing option on Google Reader makes me jealous though. - Toby Graham
For me, FF is good for tech geek stuff, but my GReader is much more science focused so I balance the two probably more in favour of GReader atm - Sally Church
At one time, I tried reading all my feeds through FriendFeed, but quickly returned to Google Reader...they serve different purposes. - Chris Rossini
Starting to use Feedly rather than GReader - it's perfect, stops me reading so many articles without being boring. I looooove it! - Richard Bradshaw
I find that I read articles on FF that don't show up in Google Reader and everything else in Reader. - Roberto Bonini
Totally. Plus I have full text and robust filing systems. - Steve Rubel via fftogo
Pretty surprised that you even considered ditching a newsreader to begin with. Sure you're feeling ok? - David Chartier
Google reader is my main RSS feed reader. I'm totally addicted. I just added Feedly and now I get recommeded feeds which add another dimension of social news aggregation. - Larry Kless via twhirl
I spend quality time in Google Reader. Try Feedly. It displays your Google subscriptions nicely. - Michael Tefft
Feedly & FriendFeed are the ticket, gReader alone seems like a one sided conversation. - Roger Penguino
Yes. I find myself scanning FF for blog posts. - Andy C
I'm all about the netvibes: www.netvibes.com/kdoohan - Kevin Doohan
I honestly don't know what I did before Reader. It is the best thing out there for me, for sure. Plus I can use it on my phone! - Ann Coleman
I can't stand gReader's inability to start FF-style "conversations" around shared items. And I can't convince my gReader buddies to move over to FF :( - Jake
I've abandoned Google Reader and all RSS Readers at this point. Traditional RSS readers are dead as far as I'm concerned. Social filters are much better at delivering content than RSS readers. Every second spent in an RSS reader is a second spent away from a socially filtered news and information experience. - Thomas Hawk
Thomas Hawk: I think that you are right. This is why all RSS readers have evolved towards social filters. Let's not forget that Google Reader invented the concept of shared feeds. - Edwin Khodabakchian
If you subscribe to the right feeds and blogs, you get a better perspective on the topics you care about. That's something that these services can quite do it as good as a feed reader. - Jay Cruz
did You try Feedly? It works with GReader, great! - Luca Conti
Its like reading a newspaper and talking about it. One won't replace the other, so I'm happy with the serious Google Reader _and_ the friendly cosy FF. Thanks to "best of day" I can balance the time spent with both. Not sure I want one app to rule them all :) for now, a mix of GR and FF is quite ok. - Dani Radu
I'll have to give feedly another look, but lately I've been subscribing to my FF RSS feed in gReader, so almost best of both worlds in one - nick carrasco
Hey now that you're reading feeds again, how about doing a shared item feed just for new tech products, or features of tech products, or reviews of tech products, even ones that aren't new. I promise I'll use the feed and give you credit of course. I'm going to ask Marshall to do one too (I bet he already does). - Dave Winer
I jump between the two anyway, I wouldn't abandon one over the other as they both have many plus points!! - Joe Dawson
yes, deep breath. as awesome as friendfeed is, it's not going to replace google reader, it's not going to replace twitter, it's not going to replace _______ . it makes all these services more useful, but you need a starting point. google reader is one of them. - MG Siegler
Google reader, never leave home without it! Friendfeed is definitely not a replacement. I see feeds on my reader that don't make it to the Friendfeed universe. - Alexander van Elsas
Although, I use GR less, I could never do away with it. FriendFeed does help a lot because I find myself marking a lot of stuff read (wish there was an easier way to do that) and being able to move on to to other content. - Shey
None of these services are an either or thing. They joy is in how they all work together. - m.0
can't get enough of Google Reader especially when I can find more exciting, techy blogs in the "Discover" section which I cannot live without. In respects to reading Friendfeed headlines, I don't really see this site as a news site. More as a conversation ABOUT the news! - Josh Chandler
I suffered your pain. Then, as some kind of experiment, I spent some time creating imaginary friends and tweeking feeds and the list of people and rooms I subscribe here. Awsome, now I cannot think about swapping FriendFeed by something else like an RSS reader. I still have to better manage my FF, specially trying to reduce the noise, but this is definitively better than the "old way"... - Marcos Marado via fftogo
I just found 44 items from you on your Google Reader shared items feed. I guess you're back. :) Google Reader allows me to more easily see things from a particular person; if I had to rely on finding them in their FriendFeeds, I'd probably miss them. - Ontario Emperor
I don't know if I feel smarter when reading google's reader, but I feel like I am smart when reading it. - Mike
@Robert start using feedly with Firefox 3. Now that feedly has integrated Friendfeed into their plugin, I'll never leave Google Reader. - Chris Rodgers
Robert - a combination of http://mionews.com + creating a private room with your RSS feeds in it may get you best of both worlds. Though I know you don't like that mioNews isn't a river-of-news, but we're working on that :) - Patrick Lightbody
I feel the same and I like it even if you did not like me saying thanks to friends saying that they liked my roadmap video - Loic Le Meur
Yes, I'm reading both. I read a lot more than I have time to share, but it helps to have both Google & FF formats available. - Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm using both, but for different purposes. Add Feedly, which is getting some of my casual browsing. - Chris Baskind
I agree but the issue is if I find something there and want to then ind the conversation here about that post I can not easily do so. I can post my own link but it would be nice to find the relevant posts here for any given item in my Google Reader. - Joel Ordesky
I've been wandering away from Reader for a while. See too many headlines that don't interest me. - shelisrael1
I've always felt that Reader did a fantastic job of presenting the content I want to read. - Trevor Carpenter
I tried giving up reader for a day - FF just doesn't replace what an rss reader can provide - Jesse Stay
They serve two totally different functions in my workflow. Google Reader gives me the news from the outlets I value while FriendFeed gives the news (and other stuff) of the people I value (I wouldn't consider all you internet celebs friends, sorry!). FriendFeed complements Google Reader. - Dennis Laumen
Yes. In fact, I read my Friendfeed through GoogleReader. For me, FF is a subset of Google Reader. Just another "Outlet." - Francine Hardaway
FF is great for finding things you may have missed in GReader, but it's no replacement. - Sarah Perez
Adding my 2 cents to the many comments here - I read both - Google Reader is a must for me and I don't see anything replacing it. FF is the conversation for me. - Kevin Cearns
GR is news, FF is conversation. They serve different purposes for me. - brian junyor via twhirl
GR is daily homework, FF is hanging around with friends - Nikos Anagnostou
get the cream from Friendfeed and then go on with gReader - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Absolutely, I get my best ideas from some of the great feeds I subscribe to. I realize too that I tweet and share much less when I don't go through my reader. - Sonciary Honnoll
I wonder how chaotic that would be? I know there are times I've said in my head "I like that comment" and I don't necessarily have any response other than so - Julian Baldwin
Perhaps the most liked comments could appear at the top when comments are collapsed. - Richard Bradshaw
Or FriendFeed could just scrap all comments and implement Disqus - Pat Hawks
Still really like the idea of liking comments. - xero
@pat Disqus does have a point system which is similar to liking a comment in my opinion - Julian Baldwin
Threads, or at least some form of @Reply - Pat Hawks
@Julian That's what I mean. Hot comments and votes and fun stuff like that would be fun. I don't know if it'd way over complicate things (my guess is it would) - Pat Hawks
I'm not thinking of full-blown threaded commenting, just something as simple as "liking" a comment, and then as several others suggested, those comments might float to the top. - Brandon Wood
But if I can "like" a comment, I should be able to reply to a comment, right? - Pat Hawks
@Pat you mean like Disqus? I think that would work well! - Joe Dawson
maybe we need threads and nothing more to keep it simple.. a comment rising to the top would be kind of weird without the content (the current method) - Julian Baldwin
No voting, PLEASE no voting. Next thing you know, this'll turn into reddit. :\ I'd rather have a nice, discreet star icon next to the comment icon. Simple, out of the way and you wouldn't end up with arguments over how comments have been modded. - Cyvros/fyc
yes, no voting..please..(star could be OK) - Ben Borges
How about a comparitive way of liking comments, where by the subscriber suggestions are influenced by the people who we favour their contribution? - Joe Dawson
“I use propinions.com to review a law firm that thoroughly screwed me, and just checked a year later and all the negative reviews were gone, only the good ones were left. In other words don't trust propinions.com.”
Igor the friendly troll! Or is it like the Godfather? If I come to you as a friend then on this day my enemies would be your enemies and the scum that did this to my daughter would be etc etc. Or will we have to rate your trolling serivces on Propinions? You can see how my mind works. I have to consider all the possibilities! - Dave Winer
You delete most of the negative comments on scripting.com. What's the difference? Why should we trust you? - scott anderson
Amazon.com used to do this also. Now they wised up & show the most positive and the most negative comments. --> Try archive.org searches for propinions.com & e-mail the people who run propinions.com. We can help companies change their behavior if they realize we're listening. :-) - Mitchell Tsai
is it not the prerogative of the site to remove damaging comments from there own controller site....they obviously can't do that on say other site like getsatisfaction.com...negative comments can be put there... - Arjun
I respect both comments negative and positive and that is justice! - Igor The Troll
According to a restaurant proprietor I spoke to, Yelp offered to take just his bad reviews off if he paid them. He refused. I now read yelp as 1) tons of glowing, detailed reviews means good 2) no reviews is probably bad, unless place is new and 3) just a few good reviews is potentially bad too - Lilly Irani
@scott anderson - First, he does not delete all negative comments. Secondly, his site is not about rating stuff. If a service is about rating stuff, it has to accept negative ratings. So the difference is a big one. - sebmos
@sebmos I did not say that he deletes all his negative comments. Dave presents himself as an influential authority on a variety of web technologies. To a large extent that authority comes from individuals who are also promoting him as such. - scott anderson
Lilly: I work at Yelp (as you know), We don't remove reviews for money, that's totally false. - Michael
I generally delete comments that make negative statements about people participating in the discussion. If it requires a defensive response I delete it. No problem with people expressing varying points of view. And if someone thinks my products are bad and says why (not just "you suck" or "they suck") of course I leave that there. I want my products to get better. And as sebmos says, I don't run Propinions, whose job it is to alert people to shitty products or services. - Dave Winer
I believe that 'Dave Winer' is the product. After all, the articles on Scripting News are not about scripting. I also believe that the software you develop, extensions to the Dave Winer platform, would not get any traction if they were created by anyone else. Therefore, deleting comments that appear to undercut the Dave Winer brand *is* manipulating relevant consumer information about your products. - scott anderson
the question for these review sites is how to get them avoid the high number of positive fake reviews they get. I have to spend some time in yelp to fond out how they deal with these - Loic Le Meur
@Loic I don't know about you but I can spot a fake review from a mile away. They tend to follow this formula: Lots of praise but little to no detail about the business or experience, very short, and more often than not, containing broken English (possibly due to the fake reviewers being hired in another country). - Erica Baker
Nice. This is the first time I've seen a flash audio player embedded in FF. We have to let FF know they need to include a pop-out option to open the audio in a new window. As soon as I clicked LIKE. The audio stopped and it sent the item back to the top of my list. - Kevin Shannon
Big fan of Utterz myself. Go, utter, be heard... - Todd Jordan
I liked and commented without the audio stopping/page reloading - Granteezy
@Granteezy I think the FF page refreshes automatically. It may have refreshed and that's why it stopped playing. Google reader has a pop-out function under embedded audio so you can keep it playing in it's own window. That would be good. So far I have not seen much audio on FF. - Kevin Shannon
How did you embed this Flash-Player, Robert ? - Ryo
@Kevin: we will look into this. We have a day devoted to bug-fixing on Wednesday, and I will make sure this happens. - Bret Taylor
We started putting a player for all posts that include media enclosures or audio in MediaRSS, so all podcasts should have play buttons now. - Bret Taylor
@Bret Talk about service. That's what makes this place great. - Kevin Shannon
Utterz is the easiest way to post audio from any phone. They have also paid attention to user input from the start and have built their service to work well. - Christian Burns
now I know why Utterz is down, Scoble posted about it on FF :-) - Duncan Riley
I dont use my twitter or jaiku accounts but i did try utterz awhile ago, and i like to talk more then type and rather listen then read, and that was pretty nice to do, if we can @ talk for a min and also attach news stories or what have you then it would be cool to see a flock of users to its community, I'd like to see how communication evolves in the upcoming years...will twitter ever make some drastic changes, other then 3rd party support they have stayed the same for the most part, right? - Tony C.
wow that's interesting, good job friendfeed for adding a flash sound player - Bjorn Tipling
Friendfeed is great but I can't wait until more people outside the worlds of tech and social media get involved - then it'll be *much* more interesting! - Martin Bryant
Martin dead on, Once the masses like the Facebook crowd get on, it will change things completely. It's just a matter of time. I like the tech crowd only on FF, but change is always good, we need not fear it, but embrace it. - Mike Fruchter
Weird, doesn't seem to work in Fluid. Clicking the link quickly shows the loading circle on the right, then does nothing. Works fine in Safari 3.1, though. - Mark Trapp
Liked just so people see my name when they test it out. - DeWitt Clinton
I notice another change. "You" is the first name listed for all the things I've liked in the past. Even those where I haven't clicked on the expand Likes link. This wasn't previously the case. A bit of work on the Likes sort methodology? - Hutch Carpenter
Noticed that too, Hutch: do you think it's sorting based on order of likes now? Obviously, with "You" always being first and outside the order. - Mark Trapp
Mark - definitely putting "you" out front is a change. I still don't know the basis for ranking the other Likes. Maybe the guys will comment here. Or blog it. - Hutch Carpenter
I like this addition. Clean, intuitive, simple, perfect. - Tsega D
a long list of names isn't too useful; why dont you bold the ones that are my friends? - peter
peter: all your friends are listed first. - Bret Taylor
More recent likes come first, so as new friends "Like" things, you see them. - Bret Taylor
Peter, bolding is a great idea, not just here, but in general. It would be an easy way to find friends that you have not yet subscribed to. - Scott Beale
+1 for bolding names that I'm already subscribed to. - Mike Doeff
I tweaked the sort order to put "you" first, but apparently I forgot to tell Bret. - Jim Norris
Indeed Shey, http://ffapps.com/showlikes/ is no longer required. Seeing a list of people who liked a particular entry is a great way to explore and discover users who share similar interests. - Aviv
چه قدر سریع,ایده اش همین صبح مطرح شد,اسمایلی جیمبووووووووووووووووووو:))ه - shandiz
Expanding shows a lot of Likes up in this post! - Joe Dawson
“Ok, as much as I *hate* linking to Valleywag, if in fact they have the legitimate Stewart Butterfield resignation, it's pure gold. http://valleywag.com/5017424/s...”
He should only blame himself for selling out to Yahoo in the first place. - TranceMist
The letter was brilliant, the comments were idiotic. I think the comments on Digg have more value that the comments to a Valleywag post. - Tac Anderson
@Trancemist Yeah, I'm sure he's blaming himself. All the way to the bank, via his penthouse apartment, no doubt. - Ian Betteridge
selling to Yahoo was the right thing to do. There are few things in life more important than personal financial freedom. But Yahoo *could* have used Flickr to be the springboard to truly dominate social search and they bungled that. Could have bought digg, could have tied it all together. With Yahoo's bungling social search, FF remains the most viable candidate to succeed at social search here and now today. - Thomas Hawk
Great find, Joi. Can't believe this is not enabled by default. - Ole Begemann
If you have your monitor profiled, you must also set gfx.color_management.display_profile to the filename of your custom profile. Otherwise your colors will be totally off. That's really complicated by Mozilla. Wasn't it possible to do this automatically like every other application? - Ole Begemann
