Welcome Baby Ryan!!! My baby Ryan (17 years!) and I are honored to welcome another superstar to our planet! Love, hugs, and lots of kisses to Baby Ryan, Mommy Maryam, Dad Robert and big brothers Milan & Patrick and of course Grandma!!! My guess on Ryan's arrival (predication) was only 23 hours off. I thought he would arrive on Friday, Sept. 18th at 11:45 pm. Love to all, Kelly & Ryan Kim
- Kelly S. Kim
What a moment, eh? I remember when my daughter came into this world, it was so exciting there were no words for it. Congrats on your wonderful baby boy!
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
Congratulations! Welcome to the world, Ryan. :-)
- Yvette Ferry
Congratulations Robert and Maryam! And welcome Ryan. If I was having a baby today, I'd begin a blog for him/her straight away as an online diary they could look back on when grown up.
- Sandra Large
الهــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــــی چقده ناز نازیه.اینو فارسی نوشتم مریم جان بخونن ....راستی به باباش که نرفته:)) خوشگلتره:)) پس به شما رفته
- joupy
I was a c-section six week preemie in an era when that was seriously life-threatening, they didn't know if I would make for the first week. It always gets me a see a c-section / preemie come howling into the world. Welcome, little guy!
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
from iPhone
Beautiful baby! Congratulations daddy man :)
- Gary
:) Congrats Robert... best wishes to your family! Get her name in twitter and ff!
- Business Blogger【ツ】™
Right ON! I am so happy for you. I have 4 kids of my own and they are my greatest joys. Take care and I hope all goes so smooth for him and mom.
- Robert Anderson
Congrats! I wish a long and healthy life.
- Muammer Okumuş
Robert, you newest addition is too freaking adorable. I hope you and Maryam are doing well. Congratulations! Here's to a long, prosperous future!
- Mike Nayyar
Thanks for your words, Jimminy. Tad - I've had several friends commit suicide (drug related), another a USC baseball star shot himself (lost his mind with excessive steroid usage), and the most recent one was an injured ex baseball player who just...lost his way. It can be anyone.
- Mona Nomura
I'm ready for an end to 2009. I've lost three family members and a friend, and Mr. Mage has lost his grandmother (all May-August). 2009 can't get out of here soon enough. Sorry for your pain, Mona. You aren't alone.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I guess being not a very social person in meatspace I've led a cloistered life of few close friends who've all mostly been similar to myself. I'm not quite complicated enough to ever really feel depressed.
- Internet's Tad
Mage - I am so sorry. Thank you for sharing, and I feel your pain, too. You too, aren't alone. :) Tad: I'm glad you're happy but I'm just saying, it can be anyone. Christine Lu's older sister (Harvard MBA with a six figure salary and happily married) took her own life a few years back as well. Seriously, it could be anyone. Even your neighbor.
- Mona Nomura
Yeah, I lost my mom this year. And my father ten years ago this August. But, Audrey was born this year. So I can't complain too much!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Audrey is a GEM. These hard lessons I guess we can take for our next generations. She is extremely blessed to have you and Rochelle as parents - and you can see in her face, demeanor, how happy she is. :)
- Mona Nomura
both my wife and myself tried it before we'd ever met each other. we both nearly succeeded. neither of us can believe how stupid we were. we're also grateful to have failed cos otherwise we'd have never met.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Audrey is definitely icing, as is my friend's kid, born one to three weeks before Audrey. Maybe I should go find a little one to hug. Don't even think about suggesting I make my own *shudder.* They're more fun when you can give them back, I'm pretty sure.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Thank you, Mona: that means a lot to me. I've been a pretty miserable bastard for a lot of my life so I often wonder how I deserve what I have. If nothing else, it helps me not take things for granted now.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I wonder that every day. About me, not you. I'm grateful for all of you.
- joey
You guys, thanks for sharing all of your personal stories - this is why I love FriendFeed, you can say what you want w/out fear of being judged. And you better believe it will stay this way across my other Internet spaces. My hope, is that if someone or anyone reading this will somehow...some way not feel alone we've all done our parts. :)
- Mona Nomura
Akiva and Joey? Quit it. You two are absolutely charming in person. :)
- Mona Nomura
Yes, Mona, you are right. It could be anyone. I lost the neighbor boy I grew up with that way. We built our first fort together (out of snow) and we built an airplane you could sit in out of an old picnic table set my dad said we could use. Fond memories. It is very easy for anyone of us to get to the despair stage if we don't know there is anyone else.
- Melanie Reed
Also, the #WSPD hashtag will pull up relevant Tweets. (if Twitter search isn't borked)
- Mona Nomura
hey mona, thanks for raising awareness. i'm sorry it's due to a recent loss of a friend. :( but just know that getting a discussion going helps erase the stigma. it's the same stigma that keeps people from feeling like they can't share and seek help or reach out. my sister was depressed 2 years and tried to hide it from family, work only her fiancee knew -- and that was an incredible burden to place on him.
- Christine Lu
...you can imagine how guilty he felt. i only found out when she told me 6 months before her death. she was on antidepressants so was having an "up" day when she mentioned it. made it seem like it was behind her... unfortunately, a month after her wedding (Labor Day 2004) she took her own life. it's the shittiest feeling in the world to get a phone call from your little sister telling you your big sister's dead. even crappier having to suck it up and shop for her casket the few days after b/c ...
- Christine Lu
...my parents were too much of a wreck to deal with any of the funeral preparations (understandable). the final insult was using the same list for her wedding as the invite list for her funeral. i share all this b/c these are things people never talk about. how suicide affects people and how looking back, if i had known the signs i might have pieced it together better. but we don't talk about it and we don't take it seriously until it happens to someone close to us, then we wake up but it's too late.
- Christine Lu
Thanks Mona. Those are all good things to look for (on your signs) and fodder for deeper questions of ourselves. Of your list its the hopelessness and despair for an answer, a way out and feeling that there is no one to turn to that is key. Especially in this country where we encourage individualism and self-reliance quite a bit. It affects our ability to see when someone is "drowning"...
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- Melanie Reed
Mona, so sorry to hear your loss. I've had 2 good friends commit suicide in my lifetime. Both of them were some of the most honorable people I ever knew. I would have never guessed they would commit suicide in their lifetime (yet, for at least one of them the signs were certainly there) - you're right, it can very much happen to anyone.
- Jesse Stay
...so the best thing you realize you can do is live your life the best you can in a way that honors the person who chose to end theirs too soon and help others by sharing your story so people don't feel as if it's something that only happens to "certain" types of people...
- Christine Lu
Actually, now that I think of it, I know 3 people. My cousin also committed suicide when I was younger due to drug-related causes.
- Jesse Stay
Christine, thank you for sharing. I'm so sorry for your loss; I can't even imagine what your family has gone through. It is important that we reduce the stigma surrounding these topics and as someone who has both lost loved ones to suicide and struggled with depression, I'm really thankful for people like you who speak out and raise awareness.
- joey
Christine and Melanie - it takes so much self awareness to own your feelings and share them. Thank you guys so much, for sharing something so personal. Christine - girl do I feel you, since in Asian countries (especially) mental illness is "shameful" - I cannot even begin to imagine what you went through... Jesse: I am so sorry for your losses. Thank you for sharing, too. ++joey
- Mona Nomura
a good way to learn the impact of suicide is from those that have lost someone or tried and thankfully survived and want to raise awareness. there are community walks taking placed nationally via afsp.org's Out Of The Darkness walks. http://www.outofthedarkness.org/
- Christine Lu
i walked for the first time last year because after 3 years of being totally bummed out every fall going into the holiday season, i wanted to do something about it last year. so i walked. and it's a really sad but uplifting day at the same time. sad because you see all these people in groups of 2 to 20 walking in memory of someone they miss. uplifting because you also see those who have survived attempts still alive and doing good work in helping others. http://www.outofthedarkness.org/
- Christine Lu
Scott - chickened out or decided your life is worth living? (serious question)
- Mona Nomura
I'm no therapist but don't forget to give yourself credit, too. One person takes their own life every 16.2 minutes - perhaps I'm assuming, but there are millions who don't think about their loved ones and commits suicide. If anything, you should be proud of yourself. Continue down the unselfish path, dude!
- Mona Nomura
A good college friend committed suicide just before her 30th birthday. I had the great gift of speaking to her just a month before she died, but I was also annoyed that she didn't reach out to me (knowing that I was suicidal during college, and depressed from 1986-98). Afterwards I became more proactive when speaking to depressed possibly-suicidal friends. I don't try some of the (IMO)...
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- Mitchell Tsai
My perception, based on several friends and acquaintances who have committed suicide, is that they didn't do so because of their own feelings of being overwhelmed by sadness and pain. Rather, after years and years of trying and struggling to hold their own heads *just above the water* for another hour, day or week, they came to feel that their personal struggles were creating...
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- Mark Jepsen
Also, I'm sorry for your loss, Mona. Obviously, no one can know what is in someone's mind as they contemplate such an act, but I tend to bristle when some suggest that it stems from selfishness and weakness. Many who haven't endured chronic deep depression dismiss it as "feeling sad" and consider it something that a stronger person would simply "snap out of" which is ultimately a very false and arrogant perception.
- Mark Jepsen
Mitch - w/out ever being in a suicidal state, it's hard to empathize and adequately respond. Your input is much appreciated :) Mark - thank you for your condolences and insight. I'm still processing the fresh news so if I sound angry, it's because I am. But I (nor anyone else in the thread to my knowledge) said a person would simply snap out of anything... :\
- Mona Nomura
Mona, I didn't mean to imply that anyone here had said that. I should have been more clear, because I'm drawing on experiences that I had when someone had taken their own life and I heard such comments. Forgive my lack of clarity. (I haven't had much sleep!)
- Mark Jepsen
No harm, no foul :) It's just easier to take in feedback when we (myself included) aren't defensive or trying to justify our positions for not being able to understand. You have nothing to apologize for - input (especially personal ones) are always welcome in any of my posts! :)
- Mona Nomura
In my case, and in many people I've talked to - "pain" stages may alternate with "gray" stages where normal emotions (both good & bad) don't seem to feel like anything (aka "if you'd give me my fondest wish, I just wouldn't care"). Also may be "hopeless" feelings. There's also a huge difference between suicidal people "reaching out for attention" (i.e. cutting themselves or taking drugs...
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- Mitchell Tsai
One of the risks in trying to counsel people with extremely-low emotional health (and/or body conditions where chemical levels encourage certain emotions) is that (A) extremely low is often "apathetic", and people don't have the motivation for suicide, they don't feel anything (B) when they rise slightly from "apathy" to "pain"/"helplessness", they may acquire the energy to do damage to themselves --- Thus, poor counseling by others may enable a suicide. Tricky.
- Mitchell Tsai
For those who've never experienced long periods of depression (e.g. X years), check out "dark night of the soul" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... While this crisis is presumed to be temporary in nature, it may be extended. The "dark night" of Saint Paul of the Cross in the 18th century lasted 45 years, from which he ultimately recovered. Mother Teresa of Calcutta,...
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- Mitchell Tsai
It's been around me too. Sad, confusing, difficult. Very personal struggle with it in college. I am sorry for you to have to feel this loss Mona. It is one you don't ask for - it is the price we pay for having friends and family and being able to get close to others. Is it better to have loved and lost?
- Martha
"...creating increasingly negative consequences for their loved ones. That became the proverbial last straw. It's one thing to experience hopelessness and suffering yourself, but something else again when you believe your causing the same in others that you care about." - Mark Jepsen Mark, I'm glad you brought out what you did. It is a complex problem, on both sides, things need to be...
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- Melanie Reed
Mitchell, thanks for bringing that out about Mother Teresa. I know from my own personal experience of going into the "spiritual battlefield" for someone, it takes a a lot out of you. Everyday Mother Teresa went into the dark world of poverty with those she helped. She fought the "fine fight". It can take a lot out of you. The strength you get from above is so quiet and steady (enough to get you through) that you sometimes don't realize its there till long afterwards.
- Melanie Reed
This is my first time hearing about Prevention Day, but it is a topic that is close to my heart. So many people feel so helpless because of what depression and suicide does to a person and their loved ones. It is good to have a time to recognize that you are never alone, that others experience your pain and loss and that you can't get through it.
- LLnL
i am so sorry, mona. and, christine lu, thank you for sharing your story as well. heartbreaking but you told it eloquently.
- edythe
Polly - thank you for your words and I agree, Christine's story and words blow me away. May this thread last forever.
- Mona Nomura
Oh.... I'm sorry to hear that. It's sad to think that things can get so bad that people will kill themselves.
- Clement Robert Yeung
things do get really bad that people kill themselves. unfortunately, that's how i lost my big sister 5 years ago. the crappy economy doesn't help these days for others. :(
- Christine Lu
Had that same thing happen, same place. Maybe same train. Last year.
- Cat West
So is this a move to include men or women? Also, the relationship status as "In a relationship"? Also, your area code? Srsly, where's the pain?
- Alan Chamberlain
the relationship status is in a relationship b/c i'm in a relationship. other stuff just to see what kind of ads i get served. nothing more.
- Christine Lu
Christine, you do need that many friends, you just need a better way to manage them. Keep the old account running. Soon there will be tools which allow you to aggregate and group your friends according to how and what you want to communicate to them.
- lisa padilla
I'd probably start over too. Sorting 3500 people into lists sounds like a pain in the ass.
- Rodfather
For me Twitter is for people I'm forming relationships with many of whom I've yet to meet. Facebook is for people I already have relationships and I've already met.
- Gregg Scott
Facebook has pretty good sorting tools already.
- Ben Hanten
yea, i screwed that up. i should have kept FB for friends IRL and twitter what it is. now it's all messy. *SIGH*
- Christine Lu
from email
I tried to keep Facebook for only RL friends, but it's all mixed now. I'm fine with it now that everyone is in lists and the privacy settings are tweaked for them.
- Rodfather
Facebook prevents from having two profiles, even if this doesn't seem to be enforced. Christine you're right. Will use the Facebook page, whatever people think of the Fans semantic.
- Paul Papadimitriou
from iPhone
Geeks On An Island is a spin off of the successful Geeks On A Plane tour where for one week in November, several hundred global tech entrepreneurs, investors and influencers will have the much needed opportunity to take themselves out of their digital ponds and gather IRL in Hawaii for a series of invite only conferences, retreats and exclusive events focused on making connections, exchanging ideas, sharing insight and strengthening personal and professional networks.
- Christine Lu
hmm, i'll have to spell out IRL into "in real life" heh. bad habit.
- Christine Lu
How did the idea come about? The inspiration behind Geeks On An Island is a mashup between Hawaii Tourism Authority’s So Much More Hawaii tour and Dave McClure’s Geeks On A Plane Tech Tour. How do you incorporate the relaxed and reflective nature of the aloha spirit into the crazy, hectic, wired and workaholic lifestyle of the tech entrepreneur who doesn’t want to be taken off the grid? ...you bring the grid to Hawaii and welcome them ...not with open arms, but open wifi. :)
- Christine Lu
@cfnoble this is as far as i've gotten... my brain hurts. can i just go back to tweaking wordpress templates? help.
- Christine Lu
heh. Of course I can help. But who is this cfnoble guy?
- Random
Hawaii + investors + entrepreneurs = Pono Media is ALL IN!
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
what are you, social media schizo? @cfnoble on twitter = @Random on friendfeed. lol.
- Christine Lu
i'm just psyched that for one week ...it won't be weird for us to be staring at our iPhones or with laptops by the pool because everyone will be doing it. LOL.
- Christine Lu
@Neenz -- Pono Media rocks! We've got an awesome Honolulu committee for this... and SF, LA, Vancouver, Seattle, Shanghai, Beijing, Tokyo :)
- Christine Lu
I'm working on the schedule today... Day One - 5pm - Welcome Reception Welcome reception for the core group of invite only tech entrepreneurs and investors from Geeks On A Plane from Seattle, Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, New York, London, Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai.
- Christine Lu
MONDAY - 11/2/2009 9am to 3pm - Startup Metrics A one-day workshop led by Dave McClure for entrepreneurs providing a comprehensive overview of technology platforms, market opportunities, and investment climate, and focused on startup success in internet, software, gaming, and mobile. 5pm - Tech Cocktail Evening drinks with international and local Hawaii entrepreneurs and investors in...
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- Christine Lu
work in progress. subject to change. but really fun to brainstorm and put together... :)
- Christine Lu
I just love the way you're bringing this project to life, Christine. If I get it right, day 1 is November 1. Gotta be there at 5pm :-)
- Paul Papadimitriou
Yup! ...be there at 5pm Nov. 1 and you better bring the rest of the Tokyo 2.0 crew with you. :D I'm in SF on Friday to go over this with Dave and Adriana to plan out. Working on the deck and will forward you this week. With so many flights from Tokyo, we better see you guys in Hawaii :)
- Christine Lu
Guess Andrew won't make it, as he just re-joined the corporate world. Steven, on the other hand, hinted that he would like to make the trip. As for me, I'm here to help (logistics, EastxWest, presentation, serving beers & what's not), just ping me. 99% sure I'll make it, even if I might have to travel not from Manila, but from Europe. Will also work for air/kayakfare!!
- Paul Papadimitriou
Hey folks! Very excited about GoaI. Will the logo show dave riding in on a canoe? ;)
- Eric Nakagawa
working on the deck Chris. here's what i've got for the part on why we're doing this: The inspiration behind Geeks On An Island is a mashup between Hawaii Tourism Authority’s So Much More Hawaii tour and Dave McClure’s Geeks On A Plane Tech Tour. How do you incorporate the relaxed and reflective nature of the aloha spirit into the crazy, hectic, wired and workaholic lifestyle of the...
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- Christine Lu
Myspace will turn into Friendster or whatever that thing is called.
- Ethan
i still like myspace personally, no one is ever on anymore though... maybe if myspace were to open up the feeds a bit they could get more users back... facebook is too boring.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
Myspace is a psychedelic trip compared to FB, or to anything else for that matter.
- Russellreno
well I don't know about MySpace in particular, but good prediction, things *like that* probably will happen. some old run-down neighborhood infested with rats and junkies gets adopted by hipsters, and next thing you know, there's an Ann Taylor next to the Pottery Barn next to the Starbucks... web gentrification?
- Karim
MySpace is varied and ethnic- in my opinion vibrant. Just read a paper about the digital class divide. It also contained a study between MySpace and Facebook. The general profile leaving MySpace is white, American, 30's, higher income. The general new user of MySpace is not. You may want to consider what type of person are, before you consider MySpace a ghetto. Just saying...
- E-Advocate Network
Can you eleborate it. We were harping on to Facebook till just recently. Do you want, Myspace to copy your idea and everyone harping on it?
- Nitin Nanivadekar
MySpace is only really good for keeping track of bands. Most people don't log on it too often so you can't send message rapidly. I remember a while back when it was popular...messages and (pre-facebook-wall) comments flying back and forth
- Rudolf Olah
actually, i was thinking of updating my MySpace the other day. does that make me a hipster?
- Christine Lu
Given it's the goto place for anyone in music to have an easy site to stream their stuff that has name recognition and gets traffic, it already is cool.
- Michael W. May
Excellent, I agree. It will become the standard tool of choice for vintage 2.0
- TheFellowship
It'll switch to message board format and usher in the new some thing that already exists but everybody will name it as if its just been discovered for the first time.
- Patricia
shame on all of you "tweeple" i can't believe i said that. i think i'm going to go run my fingers slowly across a very dry chalkboard now. good night.
- Christine Lu
And in this chat you can click "like" to send it to all your friends, or just keep it for yourself for later. You can see all your likes by visiting your friendfeed home page and clicking on "likes."
- Robert Scoble
Robert can get an e-mail every time I reply to one of his posts
- Jesse Stay
Robert, i've tried so many times to give it a shot. I think friendfeed works best if you're Robert Scoble. otherwise, lots of other folks have followers who don't engage. all the above stuff is great if people engage. but my audience isn't ultra super cutting edge geeky. mostly business folks where Facebook and Twitter is their limit. So any suggestions on how to get folks who aren't "early adopter" minded to engage?
- Christine Lu
Robert can reply to that e-mail and have it appear threaded under the post
- Jesse Stay
The feed / chat feature is amazing. no need to # anything
- Jeff
Jesse: shhh, we wouldn't want to see codemonkeyism get that there's some advanced features here that take some poking around to get. Wait until he sees the search engine here and how much more useful it is than Twitter's (and that's when Twitter's is working).
- Robert Scoble
It works for little fish like me too
- David Damore
My only beef with friend feed is I don't like the iphone client, other than that, its better.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Robert, don't tell him about direct messaging either ;)
- Jesse Stay
We can't let @codemonkeyism know that you can put your friends in lists, so you can manage your users much better.
- Robert Scoble
The search is amazing. Looking for a date, time and place someone tweeted about... it is faster to look on F2 if their content is aggregated here.
- David Damore
Luke: why do you need a client? The page works great on my iPhone and they have both a regular version and an iPhone version. But there are clients coming.
- Robert Scoble
The one thing about this site: Hate the logo, absolutely hate it. Site's alright but it's all about being where the people you want to follow/know are at.
- Chris
I think friendfeed is great for conversations while twitter is awesome for status updates. Both are awesome in their own right.
- sushaantu
Brent: don't tell him about private groups. Wired online and Venture Beat do their editorial meetings in private groups here.
- Robert Scoble
How long until this has 100 comments? Minutes?
- David Damore
Scoble has made it a side quest to convert every twitter follower of his into a Friend Feed member XD
- Reid
Christine: I thought the same, but it's like twitter, you have to have that "aha" moment where you realizie some of the capabilities of a service..I had that about 15 minutes ago, I'm sold
- John Bergoon
I wasn't going to mention the Private groups, at least not yet.
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Reid: and it's working with a lot of people, but there are still some who say it's nonsense and I make fun of them.
- Robert Scoble
Reid, Scoble never makes anything a side-quest unless it makes sense. Have you considered he may have a reason?
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer: Thanks for the update and high degree of accuracy. :D
- David Damore
Wait until he figures out that search here can be constrained to just specific lists of people you've picked. Wouldn't it be more useful to search for, say, "quilting" among just your quilting friends?
- Robert Scoble
(Hey, it worked on me -_- In fact, I'm not entirely sure I had heard of it before Scoble)
- Reid
dave: you can start a group and you can make it private.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still waiting for it to click... despite having believed you that you love it since we were still back in closed-beta. For me, it's still a "oh, I'd better go check over on FF for that handful of people who love it so much"
- Lucretia Pruitt
Christine I see what you mean about having your followers on ff, but as a follower of Robert and other cool people I get to have a conversation with them here that I would not get to have otherwise
- Jeff
Make sure not to tell them about audio and video in line.
- Louis Gray
FriendFeed has become my real-time newspaper. I pick it up as I please, read what seems interesting, chat real-time about the news, and put it down as I please.
- Jesse Stay
dave: then only people who you invite in can see it. For instance, I have a private group at http://www.friendfeed.com/2010web can you see it? If you can, I invited you in.
- Robert Scoble
I love FF but why don't they put the latest activity first and not at the end. As I'm typing I keep getting put beneath the fold...
- Donny Mack
Robert: I just liked the way twitterfon works on the iphone, primary reason I use twitter more than friendfeed is it doesn't work as well on mobile. They make a client that can twitpic, linkshorten with bit.ly and I will most likely not use twitter anymore.
- Luke Kilpatrick
Promise not to show them how you can do multiple photos in one post.
- Louis Gray
Will @codemonkeyism actually read this thread?
- Amit Nangare
Louis: ssssshhhhh, next thing you'll tell them you can do photos. Oh, drat you already did!
- Robert Scoble
At least it's here for good reference and the friendfeeders of the future =]
- Reid
I love the functionality of FriendFeed, but I'll probably never really use it. I agree with Chris that it's about being where your friends are at. Twitter is sufficient for most of them, so that's where I'll be.
- Jamie
interesting! the private group feature is really important for businesses
- dave_blogworld
Jamie: which is why I talk about friendfeed all the time. As soon as all my friends are here, my job will be done. So far I have 40,000 here.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell anybody about the search engine that actually can go back months and months and sort by likes or people, unlike the very broken Twitter search.
- Louis Gray
I have no need for TwitPic with FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Is this conversation threaded? If so, how can I tell which replies belong to which post?
- Jim Lecter
Louis: I can actually find Chinese Earthquake Tweets here (you can't find them on Search.Twitter.com because that engine didn't index that long ago).
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer: Perhaps it is time for SOMEONE to watch your tutorial videos.
- David Damore
If this were a conversation in Twitter, then I could link to an individual comment/status. Can you not do that in here?
- Jamie
Blasphemy Louis! What you say is not possible? (really?)
- Reid
Robert I thought you would be in line to get a Palm Pre tonight
- Jeff
Jim: only a single thread. These all belong to the top level items.
- Robert Scoble
Don't tell him the API is much more scalable than Twitter's
- Jesse Stay
Micah: Thanks, I'm sitting here thinking how I can start getting my friends to move over..there always giving me a hard time for jumping to the "next" thing :)
- John Bergoon
And it is late at night in most places
- David Damore
If you only use twitter maybe FF does not have a lot of value, but if you blog, use 12sec, youtube, vimeo, basically anything social media it is awesome to have all your stuff in 1 place.
- Jeff
I like Friendfeed because I can take one thread of conversation and share it with another group of friends to start another conversation. http://ff.im/3EdWm
- John Serra
John Serra: True that's a huge feature
- John Bergoon
Sanat: friendfeed can display stuff like trending topics. We call it "best of day" here. But even better, you can build your own customized trending topics. I can do trending topics by lists of people (by displaying only things that have gotten lots of likes). Plus our trends HAVE NO SPAM. Twitter's search engine is full of spam.
- Robert Scoble
XD in what? 10 minutes? (Very pro randomness going on here at FF)
- Reid
John Bergoon, let them know that everybody jumps, and that you just don't like looking in the rear view mirror :)
- Micah Wittman
Sanat - you can also try ffholic.com but that is not run by FriendFeed folks but by a third party and it gives trending topics across friendfeed and lots of other interesting stats.
- Atul Arora
F2 is also good if friends post cool content on those other sites... you visit one place to see all their content aggregated to one place
- David Damore
And you can Block fools out of your life here as well
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Which is something else we shouldn't tell that guy. Here we have decentralized moderation. For instance, if a spammer shows up here I can delete the comment. Then I can report him as a spammer. Then I can block him which removes him EVERYWHERE (on Twitter blocking doesn't remove that person from search).
- Robert Scoble
Ah yes, the all powerful BLOCK function
- David Damore
And I can't tell you about the other goodies that FF has to offer
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
I think it was Leo Laporte's definition of Twitter as the online Dial Tone. IMO FriendFeed is far from that, it's broadband conversation set with rich content, way more powerful.
- Majento
In 20 minutes or so everyone in here will be gone and if you missed the interaction, then adding another comment doesn't seem to have much value because who is going to see it (unless you come back in and look at this thread). Whereas with Twitter, commenting later is ok, is just as visible, and is still relevant. Am I off base?
- Jamie
Twitter is a CB Radio. FriendFeed is color television with satellite.
- Louis Gray
Problem is you need another account. Too many plugs in the socket. Facebook and twitter cover 99 of ave non geek people
- The Dude Abides
And we don't have groups of real people meeting each other either
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Jamie: if you commented on this thread it will be at the top of "My discussions" if you come back later.
- Robert Scoble
Sanat Gersappa, I've found the sharing/re-sharing of the main group I'm subscribed to gives me the pulse of what's going sufficiently. In twitter-style trending topics serve a purpose, but they aren't tuned to my interest, whereas on FF they effectively are.
- Micah Wittman
Louis I was thinking more of FriendFeed is a cell phone, and twitter is a land line
- John Bergoon
If this were actually a fight, Twitter would have had no friends to pick him back up after the beating...
- Reid
Shh, you can click on the time stamp here and it'll open up a separate window of just this thread. Click THAT time stamp again and it'll open up a smaller window which is perfect to participate in these real time sessions.
- Robert Scoble
You can also store links for reading on FF just like a bookmarking service.
- Amit Nangare
Robert how many student from the leadership class are now on friendfeed?
- Jeff
And no one here is interested in Photography or cooking
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Robert: wow...timestamp click.....Epic win
- John Bergoon
Brent: it will be around forever. Oh, shhhh, another thing, friendfeed trends higher in Google due to all the additional metadata that we're putting in each item here. Oh, and the founders were superstars at Google, so they know a thing or two about search.
- Robert Scoble
And there is some what amazing customer service as well
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
OMG I didn't know that one.. Thanks Robert for the second click on the timestamp..
- John Serra
What do you have to do to get conversations to "cascade" out to other parts of FF? On Twitter there is the retweet. How does that work here?
- Jesse P. Luna
I think FF users are getting caught up craving comments like followers on twitter...its like a game and if they dont get comments they get discouraged...the issue is probably that your thread doesnt engage very well...I learned that this week when I posted this http://friendfeed.com/garygan...
- Gary Gannon
David: right now it says "18 minutes ago" (click on it and you'll see a new window pop up in your browser).
- Robert Scoble
I've tried FF, really I've tried, but I keep giving up and sticking with Twitter. I'll let this thread give me guidance for one more try.
- Don McAllister
But once you have your name you can't chnage it much
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
hey @codekomkeyism it makes a lot of sense! What do you say!
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
David: Right now it's not very obvious that its a link
- Amit Nangare
Brent: ssshhhh, that's another secret. Friendfeed's founders actually participate here and answer questions. Twitter's founders? Yeah, right.
- Robert Scoble
good to hear that Wired and Venturebeat are using the private room function - another small addition to the credibility of FriendFeed...
- Jeroen De Miranda
Ok, this has been very helpful in learning some of the values of Friendfeed. Definitely has some things Twitter doesn't. But I think the main thing I have learned is that I don't have time for FriendFeed. :) I can keep up with friends much quicker on Twitter - not as rich of information, but that doesn't matter because on Twitter they are (ideally) being more selective in what they post...
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- Jamie
Can you imagine the power of this thing if 200 million people were on it!
- Stephen Pickering
Brent: yeah, after 190 comments it's hard to say anything else. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Still think you need a manual to figure FriendFeed out. I'm not slamming the service. I get that it has a lot to offer ...if you're an early adopting Scoble loving geek (which I tend to be). So again, friendfeed is great for folks who want to talk to Robert Scoble. That's not a sustainable business model unless someone can tell me how it's going to be adopted by non-early adopters the...
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- Christine Lu
and I have been back here maybe a month and your point is?
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Christine: we had the exact same conversations about Twitter two years ago. Remember, Twitter is two years older than friendfeed is. I got to 40,000 followers here MUCH faster than I did on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, plus, its DEFINITELY not more confusing than Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Oh thats right, but I was going to keep that a secret
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Christine: Stephen is right. The argument that Twitter is getting adoption because it's simple is bullshit. Twitter only has 30 million people. Facebook, which is far more complex than either friendfeed or Twitter, has 225 million on it.
- Robert Scoble
Christine: I see what your saying, Social media in general is a young thing. Its gonna take a while for any of it to really catch on mainstream. I know alot of people who still think that twitter is lame...facebook is what 4 years old now and it's just starting to got really mainstream...but it's going to end up like myspace I think
- John Bergoon
Christine Lu There are plenty of conversations that Robert Scoble does not even hear about.. Not even in English...
- John Serra
It's like advertising, Olgivy had a famous saying, the first time you see an add you say, "What is this crap!!?" The ninth time you see the add your writing out a check for the product
- Stephen Pickering
Robert -- didn't say people were on Twitter b/c it was simple. heck, most China business and non-tech folks in my areas are still not on Twitter. LOL. Just sayin' Friendfeed isn't for everyone yet. Otherwise i wouldn't feel like i'm talking to myself when i post something on my FF account. LOL.
- Christine Lu
Well, They both make sense to me. Here's why! Twitter is nice if you want to tell your followers or friends what's on your mind, while FriendFeed is nice for conversations and there is no word limit. While FriendFeed is more for RSS (at times.)
- Patrick
from twhirl
Brent: yeah, really, that reminds me of one of my favorite groups here, where people are teaching themselves to do saved searches (aka filters): http://friendfeed.com/ffss
- Robert Scoble
Well there is a limit on the length of a post , but then, oh my god, you start anther comment
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Christine: I hope friendfeed isn't for everyone. If it were we'd see lame people, assholes, spammers, and other unfriendly types here. It's fine with me if those types stay on Twitter. Twitter isn't going away. Twitter isn't killing Facebook. Friendfeed won't kill Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Christine, when I first joined Twitter I felt like I was talking to myself. During one iteration I actually used it as a a to do list of sorts. Just SMS things into it that I needed to do@
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for the session, folks. Very informative.
- Jamie
Stephen: some day I'm going to try to make a list of all the people who told me that Twitter was the lamest thing they ever saw (in the early days that happened multiple times a day).
- Robert Scoble
There is a large percentage of FF topics that start at twitter
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
stephen: I did the same thing haha twitter = to do list...Twitter as well as FF, I believe, is really only as good as the people you follow and follow you...is that correct?
- John Bergoon
I still talk to myself on Twitter. I guess i'll start on FF and give it another try. It's like LinkedIn for me. I keep going back and trying it and losing interest within a day. I'm going to Tokyo, Beijing and Shanghai on geeks on a plane and asking folks in each city if they use FriendFeed. :D Wonder what the answer will be. hmm...
- Christine Lu
And you notice if you make a mistake posting your stuck, you can't edit at all or delete a post
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
Brent: that's a good point. On friendfeed you can edit your tweets, even, to make them more accurate (or, even, to take advantage of the fact that you have more than 140 characters here).
- Robert Scoble
I've used FF like 5 times now, twice to join in on epic threads like this one, and the other times clicking around trying to figure out what to do. This thread is helping on the "what" part, just got to invest the time to figure the "how".
- Jesse P. Luna
Robert, that's so true. I was only there in the early days because I was listening to Leo's show and your blog, but I remember not thinking much of it for that first year
- Stephen Pickering
@Brent, I think you can if you use the website there is a edit button after you post.
- Patrick
from twhirl
Oh, and I love how when Tweets come in here that @scobleizer turns into a link and how when I use a URL shortener the original URL gets displayed here and if it points to a video or photo that is part of the Tweet too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: but the Power Twitter greasemonkey script does all that :P
- John Bergoon
Brent, there are limits to comment length, etc, but they are probably higher than you think (than most people realize): Kol did some great geeky research here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
BTW Christine, folks may not respond to you on Twitter every single time but we listen. Felt as if I was in Hawaii all week. :)
- Jesse P. Luna
Well, this was fun, but gotta run too. Thanks Jesse!
- Robert Scoble
Jesse Luna, stick with it, the richness in conversation and resources is big.
- Micah Wittman
yeah I'm out it's 330 here...thanks Robert..
- John Bergoon
Good night folks.... or should i say Good morning.... :)
- Amit Nangare
For Greasemonkey (Firefox) / Greasekit (Safari) inclined, and for the ff scripts (of mine) I alluded to: http://userscripts.org/users... - hope it helps someone :)
- Micah Wittman
Micah: just installed your botom comment link button and already had your hover reveal installed....small interweb :) thanks
- John Bergoon
Ah, always something new to discover. It makes the ff community a great place. Glad you like them, John. Thanks for letting me know =)
- Micah Wittman
There is one major reason not to be on FF. It's an addictive time-waster. On the other hand, as an addictive time-waster it has more value than playing scrabble or poker on Facebook or reading a stream of mindless status messages on Twitter.
- howard shippin
I have 16,000 followers on Twitter, yet find more valuable information and better conversations on FriendFeed, where far fewer people subscribe to my feed. I use FriendFeed far more than Twitter too. I LOVE FriendFeed - I LIKE Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, you can RT twitter, but you can't Like twitter (on twitter) ;)
- Micah Wittman
The funniest stuff is just the speaking the truth. In a funny way =)
- Micah Wittman
I love Robert (in an appreciative way). He has two sizable conversations going on at the same time! Amazing
- Michael Fidler
The only way I could make sense of FF was when I found imaginary friends. By creating new feeds from RSS or other sources it makes FF much more powerful. Can't link to facebook friends though....I think it's a privacy thing correct?
- Carey Lumeng
This thread is exactly why I don't like Friend Feed. I barely have time to keep up with Twitter -- I like the brevity Twitter enforces. Every time I come to Friend Feed I think of the old days of usenet and how much time it demanded if you wanted to keep up to date.
- Pete Smith
For instance, I absolutely *did not* take the time to read this whole thread.
- Pete Smith
Niether did I. But Freindfeed makes alotta sense.......
- Roberto Bonini
I also don't really think FriendFeed makes sense haha
- Hen Asraf
I would love it if Twitter users would at least sign up on FriendFeed and load their Twitter and Delicious accounts. They don't even have to use FF after that, but at least they've claimed their handles and it saves me from creating a bunch of FF imaginary friends.
- Joel Zehring
@Joel I second that ... Having my twitter feed trickle into FF through an RSS and a few imaginary friends really sucks ...
- Tom Horn
Do we really want Oprah in here though?
- JonInteractive
Pete: you just found another advantage: friendfeed filters out lazy people who don't want to learn something new. That alone explains why the community here is so interesting.
- Robert Scoble
aren't most people lazy though? which really means most people probably shouldn't be on friendfeed. which also implies arguing over its merits is a bit of a waste of time - if you like it, use it and enjoy, but why bother trying to "convert" everyone?
- Jeremy Toeman
Biggest problem with friendfeed is that on the signup page there are no videos, no how-to's, nothing. At least not that I could find.
- Greg DeVore
I just followed 258 comments. On Twitter that would be impossible.
- Sgt Ret
The implication that if a person choses not to read 258 comments on the merits of FriendFeed it means they are lazy is ridiculous. Life is finite. Information is infinite. We all constantly have to select what we feel will enrich our lives, given the short time we're alive.
- Pete Smith
Boy! This conversation sure has grown overnight! Like Sgt Ret said, this would be impossible to follow on Twitter.
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
Instead of wondering if friendfeed makes any sense, I'm wondering if friendfeed makes any noise. Plays any sounds, that is.
- Chuck Baggett
This discussion has 264 comments, and 'auto-promote' itself. This is simply impossible to follow in Twitter. FriendFeed does make sense! Even if it's different from Twitter.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I've had FF for about a year or more,haven't used it as much until recently,when I found I was getting followers, it is gre8 for aggregating all of your social networks together & sharing them on twitter in one stop/step.I don't get the commentary as much as I do on twitter,but it's still a gr8 resource,feel free to follow me &share comments,etc ☺(see bio to learn more abt me)
- Patty
from twhirl
Chuck: audio files such as podcasts are supported with embedded friendfeed player =)
- Mike Chelen
I know this sounds like an obvious question for those of us already actively using social media for all sorts of areas of our life ...including planning vacations. ...if you can just weigh in via comments and include links to your posts, apps you use, sites you visit, etc...would greatly appreciate it!
- Christine Lu
when i'm thinking of ideas for where to go, i check out sites like Tripadvisor for the candid testimonials and ratings on things like hotels, etc.
- Christine Lu
online testimonials are often a large factor in what we end up visiting
- τorƍue
Of course, hopefully you're having these comments sent to your e-mail so you know when people are commenting on your posts. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Wasn't before, but now subscribed on ff :)
- Micah Wittman
if i set it to email notification, doesn't my inbox spam up? oh wait, i only wish i had that many comments. lol.
- Christine Lu
Christine, you ought to set it to notify you at least on people that comment on your posts. Do you want to miss responses to your own posts at all? You can probably afford to miss other stuff though.
- Jesse Stay
oh i get it. maybe that's why. i don't set the notifications on. hold on. lemme test.
- Christine Lu
reposting what I just sent via DM... I'm trying to use it... trying real hard.. but having a hard time really getting into it..
- MarkHirsch
Thanks Jesse! Really appreciate it. Reading it now
- MarkHirsch
I may not be in your network, but I have allot of reasons why I use FF over twitter. In fact I hardly ever hit twitter, it just seems like so much noise to me. Where as I get a bigger view of the topics listed here on FF and can take time to chose which post and conversation I want to be a part of. Twitter is too disjointed for my tastes. But then, I'm a product of gen x and am used to less noise in general.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
i'm a product of gen x too! i think it all depends on where your network is. my social network is nothing without the core group of people i interact with and keep in touch with. going to give friendfeed more of a try. we'll see!
- Christine Lu
from email
I read a fair percentage of the posts of yours that I see, Christine. I doubt, though, that I qualify as being in your network. I removed 250 people from my home feed in the past few days, but not yours.
- Chuck Baggett
Thanks for reading Chuck. Glad to hear my stuff is interesting enough to make your list! :) It's not a matter of qualifying in my network or not. It's really more about non-early adopters maybe finding FriendFeed too complicated to adopt. Thereby making the experience not so fun when you don't have folks to engage with. Cheers!
- Christine Lu
from email
hi Christine :) -- thought, hook up FF to your blog as a commenting engine.
- τorƍue
Here's the list: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... I need your help in improving it! How did I make this list? I scoured my business cards and my contact list and we brainstormed and came up with this list of 325 people. It's just a starting point.
- Robert Scoble
The green lines, by the way, are people who are on friendfeed. That tells me whether they are really exploring the 2010web or not.
- Robert Scoble
Got any other people who should be on this list? Let me know here.
- Robert Scoble
Over the next few days this list will get dramatically longer and better.
- Robert Scoble
*waving* hey Robert. have you met Xiao Fengjin? Founder of Linkool Labs behind the Juice app. http://www.linkool.biz/ and her Twitter http://twitter.com/xiaofengjin -- try not to base opinion to heavily on FriendFeed use. You'll miss out on some cool folks overseas not using it. :)
- So Much More Hawaii
Some on this list are journalists/bloggers. Some are very techie/developers. Some are marketers. Some are VCs. Some are entrepreneurs. Some are CEOs. Some are researchers. Some are power users who are pushing the web in interesting ways. I am looking to build a diverse group of people who are pushing the 2010web forward.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know exactly who are the folks who are doing it - but the people who are making the great "detect your browser and if a mobile browser, show a well made, fully functional but mobile browser friendly version of the site" (see Gawker's site on an iphone for example) are among those making a big impact on the 2010 web
- Shannon Clark
I suspect the people who will are not on the list yet - they are in china, india, or perhaps south africa or denmark and not on the Anglo Saxon radar
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So Much More Hawaii: I agree. I'm off to look through my Twitter and Facebook lists next. Joelle: that's why I'm asking here, so the list gets better.
- Robert Scoble
Good point by Shannon - fixing what's there might be a bigger impact, but it will never be recognised as such.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
But everyone on this list will eventually be on friendfeed. Why? Because I'm building a private group to discuss some stuff with them. That'll help us all eventually.
- Robert Scoble
*ack* that was me Robert. So Much More Hawaii aka Christine Lu. (i'm in Hawaii this week for Hawaii Tourism Authority) :D -- anyways, previous comment still stands. Go through all the folks you met in China last year. oh and the Poken folks. they're up to cool stuff beyond what they have on the market right now.
- Christine Lu
Robert, send you a request to add some people in mobile 2.0 area.
- Rudy De Waele
Rudy, names, we want names! Heheh. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
not directly the 2010 web persay, but I think what companies such as Barco are doing at the very highest levels of display technology (their LED screens were used, some 2000 sq. meters of in fact, for the amazing Eurovision set in Moscow) will have a huge impact in years to come on what we all use for our displays. If display resolutions finally start to really rise (on average) that will impact the web considerably
- Shannon Clark
I'm mostly familiar with developers, since that's my profession, so I'd add: Damien Katz (developer on CouchDB), Terry Jones (founder of FluidInfo), James Tauber (creator of the Pinax Project), Brian Aker (developer on Drizzle), Mikio Hirabayashi (developer at Mixi.jp), John Resig (wrote jQuery), Malcolm Tredinnick (probably the most active Django developer). There are definitely more but that's off the top of my head.
- Eric Florenzano
Marco Derksen - (founder of marketingfacts.nl, www.upstream.nl), Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten (Next Web, Wakoopa),
- Erno Hannink
You should put there tarpipe folks...
- Marcos Marado
Wouldn't it make sense to start out with less people then increase until you find your getting interesting, relevant conversations Surely with too many people the conversation would quickly become overwhelming quickly, and maybe less focused
- Chris Lloyd
Chris: there's a method to my madness, but, yes, I have a hard constraint that I have to live within.
- Robert Scoble
Matt Jones & Matt Biddulph of Dopplr / Felix Petersen - Founder at Plazes.com, now Head of Product Strategy Social Location at Nokia / Christian Sejersen - Mobile Engineering, Mozilla / Raimo van der Klein - SPRXMobile & Layar (watch that name!) / Greg Skibiski - CEO Sense Networks / Ilja Laurs - CEO Getjar / Tommy Ahlers - Founder Zyb - CEO at Wayfinder Systems - now Head of LBS at Vodafone / -> most of them all at http://mobile20.eu conference in Barcelona in June :)
- Rudy De Waele
I don't envy your task, but if you get it right it could be very important for future web development. Will anything be published from the group? To aid future web developers?
- Chris Lloyd
Robert, maybe Bill Balderaz at Webbed Mkting. About to release an awesome monitoring tool that will push the folks in that space. And maybe Beth Kanter who does wonderful things in the non-profit marketing space.
- Gregg Morris
Chris: this list will form the core of Building43 and will discuss the 2010web in a private friendfeed group that will be opened to everyone else on June 11th.
- Robert Scoble
And some of the guys at the W3C Mobile Web initiative - http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ Maybe Daniel Appelquist? Also add Mike Rowehl (coded Admob, Mowser, Skyfire, etc...)
- Rudy De Waele
there seems to be an overwhelming US bias to the list at the moment - Europe? Asia?
- Russell Lack
If you're making it a closed discussion group elite, I urge you to try not to just have all the known incumbents - they're the people that made 2008. Get some new thinkers in there, perhaps people that see the needs and weaknesses, perhaps a few critics, and by all means people from outside the core US/UK/Australia/Canada/France/NL group. Of course it depends what you want to...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Russell: got any names? That's why I put it out here.
- Robert Scoble
That's going to be an interesting list. Has it changed much from your older lists? Some user names both on ff or twitter would be great. I'm going to check to see if I can suggest some. Maybe Michael Fruchter should be included too.
- Carlos Lorenzo
If we're including journalists, how about Caroline McCarthy?
- Chris Lloyd
Carlos: I'm adding names from Facebook right now. The list is getting longer by the minute.
- Robert Scoble
You'll be testing the limits of google's spreadsheet app by Wednesday
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I see other Jasons, but no Calacanis..
- Simon Wicks
Is there any particular reason a) why you're making this list b) why anyone should help and c) why anyone should care? The 2010Web seems more like a Robert Scoble PR campaign than a project with any depth. Where's the substance behind this? Someone please point me in the right direction.
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: a) I'm building a community of people who are fanatical about the Internet for http://www.building43.com which is why I'm doing it. b) why should you help? Well, because maybe I've helped you along the way. c) why should anyone care? You shouldn't. Move on.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mobile 2.0 choice, Rudy. I'd say Andrew J Scott, Rummble Founder & CEO, should be on the list (@andrewjscott).
- Alex Housley
Robert. Is building43 a non-profit outfit?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: no. It's a community sponsored by Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this is a great exercise. But why do you assume those making the biggest contributions are the ones who are fanatical about the Internet?
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: because I have to start somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, plus, fanaticism without contribution seems pretty empty. And keep in mind what my goal is: it's to try to get more businesses and people into the 2010 web. To do that I'm going to showcase people who are changing the world with the Internet. That will get their attention. Then we need to show them how they can do it too.
- Robert Scoble
Is there any danger of building43 becoming an A-list ivory tower or is this going to be the tech savvy giving back to the cyber peasants? Just curious (which obliterates point C of my previous interjection)...
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: yes, there is that danger. But it will be short lived because after June 11th you'll be interacting with them.
- Robert Scoble
on a country (Fr) & corp filter level I can mention those 2 guys in France. For the corporations they really use and promote 2010 tools to the highest level of those orgs: @ChristianFaure, @dlafont (Denis Lafont-Trevisan) - both Cap Gemini but I do own 0 stock there. They just really get it and they are on FF. Another one that really gets it / use it = Régis Gaidot @rgaidot. also in Germany/austria @bodenseepeter toursprung.com (not on ff). Alexandra Carmichael: Curetogether.com.
- Harscoat
So in other words, you're channeling Barry Goldwater -- extremism in the defense of the Internet is no vice.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: heheh. I'm just looking for people who are using the Internet to improve lives, improve businesses, or just plain build something cool. Stuff like Epochrates that's helping doctors around the world. Or Zappos. Or Twitter, friendfeed, etc.
- Robert Scoble
I think you can add Nicolas Dengler co-founder of cocomment and co-founder of mixin.
- Frédéric Sidler
June 11th. I'll be there man. Just make sure you've installed a helipad on top of that building though :)
- Andrew Eglinton
The challenge is that most people don't want to change the world. They want something safe and comfortable. I'm with you -- the fanatics are the interesting ones, and life is too short to hang around boring people. Anyway, since I'm listed as an "Obama tech advisor", I'd suggest people from that world -- Beth Noveck, Susan Crawford, Vivek Kundra, Aneesh Chopra, and some others not yet announced. What they are doing is still in alpha, but is incredibly important.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: are you in DC? I'll be there first week of June and would love to get some interesting interviews about the broadband policy stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, DM me and we'll tawk. I'm in DC about once a week, helping out and making trouble.
- Kevin Werbach
You've said how you made the list, presented the list. But why are you making the list? (I hate lists btw -- when presented by magazines, newspapers, websites seem like blatant pandering - to both the people on the list and potential consumer)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: a few reasons. For one, I want people who have done something interesting. Having someone like Tony Hsieh or Joe Hewitt or Kevin Werbach or Tim O'Reilly as a founding member of a community will get attention. Having 200 of them will get a lot more. Second, I want to focus my content efforts on these people for the first month. They have more to show about what the 2010web will...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert: so the bottom line is that you are pandering? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: no, we are making sure we have a good list.
- Robert Scoble
There's a method to our madness. The first 100 people you invite to start a community will decide how that community goes for a long time. So we're being very picky about who we start with.
- Robert Scoble
In response to your 'method' Robert. I agree, the first wave of people will decide the story of a community - providing they have ownership of it. But building43 is a top-down model, what's to say that the people you invite will want to buy into the ethos of your community? Doesn't community begin with collective impetus, collective need?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: Building43 is both going to be top down and bottom up. June 11th you'll see just what we are building (it's not just me working on this) and you'll understand. Hint: it's very friendfeed centric.
- Robert Scoble
Well in that case I'm sold. Final question from me, and incidently I appreciate all your responses above,will there be a provision in building43 for artists?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: I have designers in mind, but how far off of graphic design and web design do you want to go?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: While not being sure exactly where you're going with this, it might make sense to include at least a few (call it a control group) of stodgy old CIOs and/or a person or two from the likes of MSFT, ORCL or others that you would say don't "get" the 2010web (full disclosure I work for MS). Without this I think you risk having some serious groupthink even with the luminaries on your list. Maybe this is planned for later in your efforts but I can't help but think it would be a benefit from the get go.
- David Ziembicki
I wish I was doing a big contribution, yet I am sitting here and waiting for it to come. So that I can use it :)
- Alpay Erturkmen
David: I have a bunch of Microsoft people on the list. CIOs? I'm gonna go for stodgy old companies later. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Better add David Hyatt (founding member of Safari and WebKit) and Maciej Stachowiak (another lead developer)
- Charles Ying
Robert, I see some startup people, but the list looks blogger/journalist heavy. What about those developers who may be the Bret Taylor of tomorrow, like Jesse Stay, Cesare Rocchi (Posty) and others like them.
- Rob Diana
Oh I do so use Friendfeed :-) And thanks @ericflo!
- Terry Jones
And, BTW, FluidDB is nearly nearly out (as a restricted alpha). End of June, we hope.
- Terry Jones
This is all fine and dandy but we've got to have last mile bandwidth. Why isn't there a pure Conduit Communications company out there that doesn't have another agenda? The phone companies have their legacy phone business, the cable companies TV. Fiber to the home is what we need. Not geeks. All those people on that list times a million mean nothing compared to fiber to the home. Why is...
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- Web Nex
Wish this list had a way to breakout who is in Michigan. I would love to connect with these folks.
- John Minni
Robert: What about Chris Garrett? Maki (doshdosh)? I was gonna propose Tim Ferriss, then changed my mind, then saw he was already on there. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
Mark Silva at Real Branding; an outstanding thought leader on the possibilities of Social Media.
- Mark Evans
You should add Allyson Kapin who is the founder of Women Who Tech
- Sandra
I've been working on how to automate the routing of data streams (such as Twitter/FF updates) so that the network as a whole will begin doing the work of selecting our content for us, eliminating most of the need for manual following/unfollowing. It seems like these ideas could congeal into a definite algorithm very soon. http://joshmaurice.livejournal.com
- Joshua Maurice
@rob thank you very very much! glad to be compared to Bret!
- funkyboy
theres a top 50 CEO's that twitter here http://images.businessweek.com/ss... on business week - this would be a good starting point - although I think most of them are on here already.
- Nigel Walsh
may I be part of Building43 please Robert?
- Thomas Power
@Thomas - you are moving to the US? or is this the virtual building..
- Nigel Walsh
I'd add @bitsweat aka Jeremy Kemper, who worked really hard to merge mirb and Rails into a new version of Rails. It took diplomacy to mold two rival coding teams into one, and as well genius level coding skills. It's hard to find someone on your list, Robert, who is both a diplomat and a great coder.
- barce
a bit corny, but in line with Time Magazine - isnt it all of us?
- Nigel Walsh
okay, one more not on the list: When Marc Andreesen was on the Charlie Rose show, Charlie asked him what the next big thing was. Marc didn't answer. Then Charlie asked him about who was working on the most interesting stuff. Marc's answer: Andrew Chen. http://andrewchenblog.com/ Andrew came up with the Freemium model spreadsheet... okay, I'll stop. :-)
- barce
More fields on Robert Scoble's spreadsheet would be helpful: Affiliation, Title, Facebook Page, Friendfeed Page, Twitter Page, Email Address. (URLs for the pages.)
- Sean McBride
Max Levchin ? is another good guy. Co-founder and former CTO of PayPal.
- Guy Vander Heyden
Robert - I know you have met Sol Lipman and David Beach, founders of 12seconds.tv.
- Justin Korn
Robert, btw, John Furrier is on Facebook as well as Friendfeed (you have him listed as FF only). I'm on both - I'll let you decide if I should be on the list or not, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I think you should add Sheryl Breuker, Robert. Her Incidental Interviews are becoming quite a staple and she's a central connector in the social media and communications space. She's on both FF and FB. I think her contribution of bringing the personal side of personalities into view is important.
- Ken Camp
Robert- I hate to disagree with you, but some of the folks on this list were movers & shakers in 2007 and 2008 but have since failed to produce anything of note, even simple ideas or concepts. I wouldn't name anyone specifically, but you could stand to be a bit more critical, imvho... Of course, I'm probably critical enough for both of us, and then some. ;)
- Jolie O'Dell
have you investigated @andraz and @gandalfar from Zemanta? I think that understanding text will be a killer application for tracking citations and topics between bloggers
- Michele Costabile
thanks for the include robert, btw i'm most definitely on friendfeed ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Dave Armano (now working with Peter Kim, et al)
- Susan Beebe
Mark Zuckerberg is on facebook ;) hehe - add X
- Susan Beebe
@eldsjal and @MartinLorentzon from Spotify, and if there is someone out there who have not tried spotify yet, ill strongly recommend you to do just that. This is the way it should be done not just with music but also with video! http://www.spotify.com
- Nerkez
It's pretty good, but Andrew Keen belongs on there. Also, so few women on Web 2.0-3.0, eh? Glad you include VWS with Rosedale and Koster. Wagner James Au has not done anything original in 5 years.
- Prokofy Neva
Barrett Lyon of BitGravity and who was one of a handful of people who mapped the Internet
- Loren Heiny
Maybe Steve Gillmor because at least he is always thinking about this stuff all the time and working it, even though he's always wrong.
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: Steve Gillmor not being on the list was a major oversight. I always treat my friends the worst. Hmm.
- Robert Scoble
What about Dan Cohen, the Digital Historian leading the Zotero project? He's on twitter @dancohen. They're going to be launching a social network for researchers from undergrad to professor that will open up the research process to everyone through their Firefox plugin.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
My Poken is the pink one. You hold it against his. They automatically have "poken sex" and trade your information, which you can then see up on the DoYouPoken website. Very cute and would have saved me a lot of money in scanning business cards in.
- Robert Scoble
That is, if everyone had them. Right now they are too expensive to go really viral, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I have one. I agree with You, too expensive (15 euro each one)
- Luca Conti
I can't wait until these are cheap and available to everyone, which hopefully will be soon.
- Trish R
12 of them costs about $189, which is way too much. If they can get the cost down to $1 or $2 a piece, then I could see them taking off. Until then, they are fun game if you get one for free at a conference or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
in italy poken is amazing and overbooked !!!!
- michele ficara
This is hilarious! Poken sex is better than no sex! I actually heard something about the iphone app that sort of does this by exchanging info as you get close to another iphone user who also has the app. I do think physical cards will go away.
- Sheryl
probably wont catch on here in the states, but cool idea
- sean percival
It's a cool technology, though, and lots of fun to do at a conference if everyone has them (they are building them into badge holders, too).
- Robert Scoble
Way too expensive, and would you really ask a client "Do you Poken"?
- Bruce Fraser
Pondering Facebook pokes in a whole new unhealthy way...
- Ken Camp
They need to make one of those with "The Big Blue Monster" from GapingVoid on them :)
- Sean Kearney
If I asked questions like that in some of the pubs I go to it would be the last question I asked :-)
- Gordon Wheeler
What happens if someone just walks by and they have one do they automatically get your information
- Matt Bebich
Gordon: I wouldn't advise using that as a pickup line! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Matt: no. They have to touch to exchange information.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and they have "executive" versions coming out that don't look cartoonish.
- Robert Scoble
Sean, when they go down in price, they will totally catch on in the U.S. I went to a conference here in Houston where your badge was also a thumb drive with everyone's contact info on it and we were talking about how handy these will be when people are using them.
- Trish R
embed this tech into a mobile and you have a winner
- Richard Spalding
I just checked them out... The price for one isn't ridiculous. Under $20. I've spent more on memory keys and Walkie Talkies in the past. :)
- Sean Kearney
Consider the cost of a box of business cards before saying these are too expensive. Richard +1
- Justin Hopkins
Business cards can be used with everyone, these things can't (yet) Cards are still king.
- Bruce Fraser
I thought you couldn't buy them individually yet.
- Trish R
I like the idea. It's definitely neat. I would pay for a "Poken" with a custom logo on it. It definitely is unique.
- Sean Kearney
If they are going to replace business card maybe they should not make them look like something that comes with a Happy Meal.
- Brendan Clancy
Maybe they should give them away with Happy Meals, then we'd all have one...
- Bruce Fraser
There are new models coming that look very "executive."
- Robert Scoble
And if they really went viral, and someone Pokened profligately and started spreading PSTDs that ruined your Poken's ability to replicate...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Scoble: $1 or $2? $10 seems worth it, the savings in business cards alone could justify the expense. executive would be a plus... (i'm picturing a monkey in a suit.)
- Marco
Saw these about six months ago and thought it was a fart in the wind. Can't believe this is still around.
- Chris Menning
I'm all for adding a bit of fun to productivity. We take ourselves so freaking seriously all the time. This seems like a useful step away from somber zombiefication. Now for the corporate types who want faceless uniformity, surely custom Poken with suitably unremarkable appearances and all the functionality could become reality. Am I FFing myself out of my next job? Maybe I should go for a ride.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Robert -- i've got a cute little Geisha girl one. They're up to cool stuff. The cool thing is, the info isn't stored so if you lose it, you don't give up info. It's just an exchange of ID's. I love them. Ok, i'm partial. Had dinner with Renate and she rocks. Don't write cuteness off just yet guys. They're up to stuff. :)
- Christine Lu
I have one, KPMG gave some Poken at a professional forum for my school. I think, there are two problems. First it really doesn't look business, but as you said, a business version is coming. And, it only works with another poken, it should works with Iphone or blackberry using the bluetooth and a free application we can download for Iphone or Blackberry.
- tristan
If you poken, what's your poken score? I'm "Fan 244 points"
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Yeah, I still remember when Palm's IR beaming was going to kill business cards...
- Joel Bennett
This is the most bizarre idea I have ever heard of, but I like it. I doubt this will ever catch on though, unless it becomes cheaper and more "professional". I can't see cute little avatars being taken seriously in real world business.
- Angus Burton
they could be free and then it would be possibile to buy and exchange virtual goods. I do not see any future for business card: it is something that you can do with your mobile phone and I wonder why it is not yet implemented in the address book.
- Nicola Mattina
Really strange idea to replace personal cards...
- Marcos Vicente
you can get them in States at www.startpoken.com
- Roger Huitt
Mobile phones need to adopt/embrace this technology. I think it'll be a hit.
- Richard Merritt
I really think that business card will go digital.
- Keven
... the business card already has gone digital. Check out Contxts http://contxts.com -- I've been using it for a few months now... Works Great. And Saves Trees!
- Richard Merritt
Try it here if you'd like to see it in action... SMS/Text the word: RichardMerritt to 50500
- Richard Merritt
If u meet a sexy babe in a club, a sure way to turn her off is to pull out your poken.
- Tokyo Dan
I met a girl. I gave her a good poken. It was her first poken. Now she gives every man a good poken.
- Tokyo Dan
If you want to get arrested in Japan, walk into a police box and pull out your poken.
- Tokyo Dan
Need a design that more effectively accommodates the Japanese meishi-kokan culture.
- Daniel Fath
I like this. Even tried to buy a 12-pack. Link is broken. This does not bode well for this company.
- Leo Laporte
Once they get Poken with a bigger size limit (I think you can only store the contact information of 12 contacts at one time), maybe add a few more useful features in there as well, then we'll have a good product. Make them look like real high-tech business cards and THEN it will really catch on.
- Malcolm Bastien
@LeoLaporte Yes the website is their biggest weakness. The "card" information editor is abysmal.
- KyleHase
Cute and all but seriously, no businessman outside silicon valley is going to carry one of these things around.
- David Jacobs
Good point tristan: "it should works with Iphone or blackberry using the bluetooth and a free application we can download for Iphone or Blackberry".
- Jadito
Reminds me of that line from Singles when that once character is trying to convince everyone that they will want to ride the train but everyone answers, "but i love my car". People love business cards for better or worse, it's a way to be a designer without being one.
- adolfo foronda
You can store 64 identities on the current model. Once you reach that limit, it erases the first one. The device signals you at 60. I have three poken, just in case, but most of the time, I don't reach that limit. As soon as I go to my Mac and connect with doyoupoken.com, contacts are saved.
- Paul Papadimitriou
Note: beware of putting multiple pokens in one pocket: they talk to each other ;-)
- Paul Papadimitriou
I love the idea/bought 12 and have tried to push them a bit with my networking group however the lack of effort on the companies part to promote them in the US is really slowing things down. Adoption will not come with out some serious evangelism and seeding on the companies part.
- Joel Ordesky
Poken are doing great here in Japan. I helped the launch at a blogger event a couple of months back and there's been steady progress since then. I'm helping evangelize Poken here. The company has really done a lot of thinking in order to make Poken a success. Will definitely be interested to see whether they can get to a critical mass. I certainly hope so as they are are a huge time and cost saver. (If you think of the cost of one business card, one unit will pay for itself in a short amount of time).
- Andrew Shuttleworth
@ashuttleworth You're the Poken Pimp of Tokyo. Most people I've pokened said they got it from you.
- KyleHase
@papadimitriou The Poken are conspiring against you. Quick, wrap them in foil before they know too much.
- KyleHase
The Poken are clearly conspiring against me :-) Hey, I'm the official evangelist along with Andrew, so I had to test things out for you all ^^
- Paul Papadimitriou
Had a nice chat with Robert Scoble a few weeks back where I offered him a Poken by mail. He didn't know what I was talking about at first but then realized he had forgotten he had received one at SXSW. I mentioned how popular and relevant they were becoming and didn't receive a response. Wondering: what has changed to make them interesting now?
- Robert Sanzalone
Poken hype or no hype ? In the Netherlands it's a great success and Belgium is following.
- Mike Verdugt
robert do you remember when i first showed you that at last LeWeb08 in Paris in the cab?
- Ouriel Ohayon
I have one but I haven't met anyone else with one yet in the UK. Think it's a great idea and reckon it won't be long before businesses are using them.
- Lindsay Davies
what do they say about a fool and their money?
- Gee Ranasinha
Why can't this just be on a phone, seems like a waste of money to have a separate piece of hardware
- Ben
Complete waste of space. Buy a Poken but nobody has one. Pointless. Should be a phone as everyone else says. It's been said over and over with this product, why don't they just patent the technology and sell it to a mobile phone maker? Job done. Tired of these bullshit Web 2.0 gimmicks...
- Andrew Eglinton
I actually think http://www.mynameise.com will appeal much more to people actually using business cards. The connector is coming and brings much more than people giving each other an online card to look at. They did not win The Next Web Award for nothing :)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
There's a free app on the IPhone called 'Bump' that does the same thing as far as I can see.
- Rob Bell
They have been available in the United States for 2 months at www.startpoken.com
- Roger Huitt
They are here in NZ but I don't know anyone who has one and it's all about mass adoption - I prefer the snapdat iphone app - you can get someone to download it on the spot and bam - you got their details.
- James Stewart
(but I can see your follower numbers on a mouse over - how to fix that I wonder)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I follow you because I admire how you speak openly about your thoughts and beliefs. You're also super geeky, sweet, kind, and helpful to people around you. :) Love ya girl!
- Daynah
Very nice article. Suggest people invest 5 minutes to read it.
- David Damore
@guruvan -- i know right. too bad it's not perfect. which is why i called it a scotch tape job. because you can still highlight and hover over it. but at least at first glance it's hidden. :D
- Christine Lu
Tx Christine! I find this insightful especially the history etc. I look forward to the comments here :) and the blog. We are set for an explosion of new media in S.Africa and would love to share these experiences with everyone we connect with during our workshops & keynotes.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
damn. it didn't work b/c i need to add #fb to end but FF adds its link so it didn't get picked up by facebook.
- Christine Lu
This is a huge moment. I'm so glad I could witness it in real time. On FF.
- Gregg Scott
For broadcasting to lots of site the best place I've found is hellotxt.com. This may not actually bearing on what you were trying, but might be of interest to someone.
- Chuck Baggett