Here's the list: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub... I need your help in improving it! How did I make this list? I scoured my business cards and my contact list and we brainstormed and came up with this list of 325 people. It's just a starting point.
- Robert Scoble
The green lines, by the way, are people who are on friendfeed. That tells me whether they are really exploring the 2010web or not.
- Robert Scoble
Got any other people who should be on this list? Let me know here.
- Robert Scoble
Over the next few days this list will get dramatically longer and better.
- Robert Scoble
*waving* hey Robert. have you met Xiao Fengjin? Founder of Linkool Labs behind the Juice app. http://www.linkool.biz/ and her Twitter http://twitter.com/xiaofengjin -- try not to base opinion to heavily on FriendFeed use. You'll miss out on some cool folks overseas not using it. :)
- So Much More Hawaii
Some on this list are journalists/bloggers. Some are very techie/developers. Some are marketers. Some are VCs. Some are entrepreneurs. Some are CEOs. Some are researchers. Some are power users who are pushing the web in interesting ways. I am looking to build a diverse group of people who are pushing the 2010web forward.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know exactly who are the folks who are doing it - but the people who are making the great "detect your browser and if a mobile browser, show a well made, fully functional but mobile browser friendly version of the site" (see Gawker's site on an iphone for example) are among those making a big impact on the 2010 web
- Shannon Clark
I suspect the people who will are not on the list yet - they are in china, india, or perhaps south africa or denmark and not on the Anglo Saxon radar
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So Much More Hawaii: I agree. I'm off to look through my Twitter and Facebook lists next. Joelle: that's why I'm asking here, so the list gets better.
- Robert Scoble
Good point by Shannon - fixing what's there might be a bigger impact, but it will never be recognised as such.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
But everyone on this list will eventually be on friendfeed. Why? Because I'm building a private group to discuss some stuff with them. That'll help us all eventually.
- Robert Scoble
*ack* that was me Robert. So Much More Hawaii aka Christine Lu. (i'm in Hawaii this week for Hawaii Tourism Authority) :D -- anyways, previous comment still stands. Go through all the folks you met in China last year. oh and the Poken folks. they're up to cool stuff beyond what they have on the market right now.
- Christine Lu
Robert, send you a request to add some people in mobile 2.0 area.
- Rudy De Waele
Rudy, names, we want names! Heheh. Thanks.
- Robert Scoble
not directly the 2010 web persay, but I think what companies such as Barco are doing at the very highest levels of display technology (their LED screens were used, some 2000 sq. meters of in fact, for the amazing Eurovision set in Moscow) will have a huge impact in years to come on what we all use for our displays. If display resolutions finally start to really rise (on average) that will impact the web considerably
- Shannon Clark
I'm mostly familiar with developers, since that's my profession, so I'd add: Damien Katz (developer on CouchDB), Terry Jones (founder of FluidInfo), James Tauber (creator of the Pinax Project), Brian Aker (developer on Drizzle), Mikio Hirabayashi (developer at Mixi.jp), John Resig (wrote jQuery), Malcolm Tredinnick (probably the most active Django developer). There are definitely more but that's off the top of my head.
- Eric Florenzano
Marco Derksen - (founder of marketingfacts.nl, www.upstream.nl), Boris Veldhuijzen van Zanten (Next Web, Wakoopa),
- Erno Hannink
You should put there tarpipe folks...
- Marcos Marado
Wouldn't it make sense to start out with less people then increase until you find your getting interesting, relevant conversations Surely with too many people the conversation would quickly become overwhelming quickly, and maybe less focused
- Chris Lloyd
Chris: there's a method to my madness, but, yes, I have a hard constraint that I have to live within.
- Robert Scoble
Matt Jones & Matt Biddulph of Dopplr / Felix Petersen - Founder at Plazes.com, now Head of Product Strategy Social Location at Nokia / Christian Sejersen - Mobile Engineering, Mozilla / Raimo van der Klein - SPRXMobile & Layar (watch that name!) / Greg Skibiski - CEO Sense Networks / Ilja Laurs - CEO Getjar / Tommy Ahlers - Founder Zyb - CEO at Wayfinder Systems - now Head of LBS at Vodafone / -> most of them all at http://mobile20.eu conference in Barcelona in June :)
- Rudy De Waele
I don't envy your task, but if you get it right it could be very important for future web development. Will anything be published from the group? To aid future web developers?
- Chris Lloyd
Robert, maybe Bill Balderaz at Webbed Mkting. About to release an awesome monitoring tool that will push the folks in that space. And maybe Beth Kanter who does wonderful things in the non-profit marketing space.
- Gregg Morris
Chris: this list will form the core of Building43 and will discuss the 2010web in a private friendfeed group that will be opened to everyone else on June 11th.
- Robert Scoble
And some of the guys at the W3C Mobile Web initiative - http://www.w3.org/Mobile/ Maybe Daniel Appelquist? Also add Mike Rowehl (coded Admob, Mowser, Skyfire, etc...)
- Rudy De Waele
there seems to be an overwhelming US bias to the list at the moment - Europe? Asia?
- Russell Lack
If you're making it a closed discussion group elite, I urge you to try not to just have all the known incumbents - they're the people that made 2008. Get some new thinkers in there, perhaps people that see the needs and weaknesses, perhaps a few critics, and by all means people from outside the core US/UK/Australia/Canada/France/NL group. Of course it depends what you want to...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Russell: got any names? That's why I put it out here.
- Robert Scoble
That's going to be an interesting list. Has it changed much from your older lists? Some user names both on ff or twitter would be great. I'm going to check to see if I can suggest some. Maybe Michael Fruchter should be included too.
- Carlos Lorenzo
If we're including journalists, how about Caroline McCarthy?
- Chris Lloyd
Carlos: I'm adding names from Facebook right now. The list is getting longer by the minute.
- Robert Scoble
You'll be testing the limits of google's spreadsheet app by Wednesday
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I see other Jasons, but no Calacanis..
- Simon Wicks
Is there any particular reason a) why you're making this list b) why anyone should help and c) why anyone should care? The 2010Web seems more like a Robert Scoble PR campaign than a project with any depth. Where's the substance behind this? Someone please point me in the right direction.
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: a) I'm building a community of people who are fanatical about the Internet for http://www.building43.com which is why I'm doing it. b) why should you help? Well, because maybe I've helped you along the way. c) why should anyone care? You shouldn't. Move on.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting mobile 2.0 choice, Rudy. I'd say Andrew J Scott, Rummble Founder & CEO, should be on the list (@andrewjscott).
- Alex Housley
Robert. Is building43 a non-profit outfit?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: no. It's a community sponsored by Rackspace.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, this is a great exercise. But why do you assume those making the biggest contributions are the ones who are fanatical about the Internet?
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: because I have to start somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin, plus, fanaticism without contribution seems pretty empty. And keep in mind what my goal is: it's to try to get more businesses and people into the 2010 web. To do that I'm going to showcase people who are changing the world with the Internet. That will get their attention. Then we need to show them how they can do it too.
- Robert Scoble
Is there any danger of building43 becoming an A-list ivory tower or is this going to be the tech savvy giving back to the cyber peasants? Just curious (which obliterates point C of my previous interjection)...
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: yes, there is that danger. But it will be short lived because after June 11th you'll be interacting with them.
- Robert Scoble
on a country (Fr) & corp filter level I can mention those 2 guys in France. For the corporations they really use and promote 2010 tools to the highest level of those orgs: @ChristianFaure, @dlafont (Denis Lafont-Trevisan) - both Cap Gemini but I do own 0 stock there. They just really get it and they are on FF. Another one that really gets it / use it = Régis Gaidot @rgaidot. also in Germany/austria @bodenseepeter toursprung.com (not on ff). Alexandra Carmichael: Curetogether.com.
- Harscoat
So in other words, you're channeling Barry Goldwater -- extremism in the defense of the Internet is no vice.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: heheh. I'm just looking for people who are using the Internet to improve lives, improve businesses, or just plain build something cool. Stuff like Epochrates that's helping doctors around the world. Or Zappos. Or Twitter, friendfeed, etc.
- Robert Scoble
I think you can add Nicolas Dengler co-founder of cocomment and co-founder of mixin.
- Frédéric Sidler
June 11th. I'll be there man. Just make sure you've installed a helipad on top of that building though :)
- Andrew Eglinton
The challenge is that most people don't want to change the world. They want something safe and comfortable. I'm with you -- the fanatics are the interesting ones, and life is too short to hang around boring people. Anyway, since I'm listed as an "Obama tech advisor", I'd suggest people from that world -- Beth Noveck, Susan Crawford, Vivek Kundra, Aneesh Chopra, and some others not yet announced. What they are doing is still in alpha, but is incredibly important.
- Kevin Werbach
Kevin: are you in DC? I'll be there first week of June and would love to get some interesting interviews about the broadband policy stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, DM me and we'll tawk. I'm in DC about once a week, helping out and making trouble.
- Kevin Werbach
You've said how you made the list, presented the list. But why are you making the list? (I hate lists btw -- when presented by magazines, newspapers, websites seem like blatant pandering - to both the people on the list and potential consumer)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: a few reasons. For one, I want people who have done something interesting. Having someone like Tony Hsieh or Joe Hewitt or Kevin Werbach or Tim O'Reilly as a founding member of a community will get attention. Having 200 of them will get a lot more. Second, I want to focus my content efforts on these people for the first month. They have more to show about what the 2010web will...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert: so the bottom line is that you are pandering? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: no, we are making sure we have a good list.
- Robert Scoble
There's a method to our madness. The first 100 people you invite to start a community will decide how that community goes for a long time. So we're being very picky about who we start with.
- Robert Scoble
In response to your 'method' Robert. I agree, the first wave of people will decide the story of a community - providing they have ownership of it. But building43 is a top-down model, what's to say that the people you invite will want to buy into the ethos of your community? Doesn't community begin with collective impetus, collective need?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: Building43 is both going to be top down and bottom up. June 11th you'll see just what we are building (it's not just me working on this) and you'll understand. Hint: it's very friendfeed centric.
- Robert Scoble
Well in that case I'm sold. Final question from me, and incidently I appreciate all your responses above,will there be a provision in building43 for artists?
- Andrew Eglinton
Andrew: I have designers in mind, but how far off of graphic design and web design do you want to go?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: While not being sure exactly where you're going with this, it might make sense to include at least a few (call it a control group) of stodgy old CIOs and/or a person or two from the likes of MSFT, ORCL or others that you would say don't "get" the 2010web (full disclosure I work for MS). Without this I think you risk having some serious groupthink even with the luminaries on your list. Maybe this is planned for later in your efforts but I can't help but think it would be a benefit from the get go.
- David Ziembicki
I wish I was doing a big contribution, yet I am sitting here and waiting for it to come. So that I can use it :)
- Alpay Erturkmen
David: I have a bunch of Microsoft people on the list. CIOs? I'm gonna go for stodgy old companies later. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Better add David Hyatt (founding member of Safari and WebKit) and Maciej Stachowiak (another lead developer)
- Charles Ying
Robert, I see some startup people, but the list looks blogger/journalist heavy. What about those developers who may be the Bret Taylor of tomorrow, like Jesse Stay, Cesare Rocchi (Posty) and others like them.
- Rob Diana
Oh I do so use Friendfeed :-) And thanks @ericflo!
- Terry Jones
And, BTW, FluidDB is nearly nearly out (as a restricted alpha). End of June, we hope.
- Terry Jones
This is all fine and dandy but we've got to have last mile bandwidth. Why isn't there a pure Conduit Communications company out there that doesn't have another agenda? The phone companies have their legacy phone business, the cable companies TV. Fiber to the home is what we need. Not geeks. All those people on that list times a million mean nothing compared to fiber to the home. Why is...
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- Web Nex
Wish this list had a way to breakout who is in Michigan. I would love to connect with these folks.
- John Minni
Robert: What about Chris Garrett? Maki (doshdosh)? I was gonna propose Tim Ferriss, then changed my mind, then saw he was already on there. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
Mark Silva at Real Branding; an outstanding thought leader on the possibilities of Social Media.
- Mark Evans
You should add Allyson Kapin who is the founder of Women Who Tech
- Sandra
I've been working on how to automate the routing of data streams (such as Twitter/FF updates) so that the network as a whole will begin doing the work of selecting our content for us, eliminating most of the need for manual following/unfollowing. It seems like these ideas could congeal into a definite algorithm very soon. http://joshmaurice.livejournal.com
- Joshua Maurice
@rob thank you very very much! glad to be compared to Bret!
- funkyboy
theres a top 50 CEO's that twitter here http://images.businessweek.com/ss... on business week - this would be a good starting point - although I think most of them are on here already.
- Nigel Walsh
may I be part of Building43 please Robert?
- Thomas Power
@Thomas - you are moving to the US? or is this the virtual building..
- Nigel Walsh
I'd add @bitsweat aka Jeremy Kemper, who worked really hard to merge mirb and Rails into a new version of Rails. It took diplomacy to mold two rival coding teams into one, and as well genius level coding skills. It's hard to find someone on your list, Robert, who is both a diplomat and a great coder.
- barce
a bit corny, but in line with Time Magazine - isnt it all of us?
- Nigel Walsh
okay, one more not on the list: When Marc Andreesen was on the Charlie Rose show, Charlie asked him what the next big thing was. Marc didn't answer. Then Charlie asked him about who was working on the most interesting stuff. Marc's answer: Andrew Chen. http://andrewchenblog.com/ Andrew came up with the Freemium model spreadsheet... okay, I'll stop. :-)
- barce
More fields on Robert Scoble's spreadsheet would be helpful: Affiliation, Title, Facebook Page, Friendfeed Page, Twitter Page, Email Address. (URLs for the pages.)
- Sean McBride
Max Levchin ? is another good guy. Co-founder and former CTO of PayPal.
- Guy Vander Heyden
Robert - I know you have met Sol Lipman and David Beach, founders of 12seconds.tv.
- Justin Korn
Robert, btw, John Furrier is on Facebook as well as Friendfeed (you have him listed as FF only). I'm on both - I'll let you decide if I should be on the list or not, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I think you should add Sheryl Breuker, Robert. Her Incidental Interviews are becoming quite a staple and she's a central connector in the social media and communications space. She's on both FF and FB. I think her contribution of bringing the personal side of personalities into view is important.
- Ken Camp
Robert- I hate to disagree with you, but some of the folks on this list were movers & shakers in 2007 and 2008 but have since failed to produce anything of note, even simple ideas or concepts. I wouldn't name anyone specifically, but you could stand to be a bit more critical, imvho... Of course, I'm probably critical enough for both of us, and then some. ;)
- Jolie O'Dell
have you investigated @andraz and @gandalfar from Zemanta? I think that understanding text will be a killer application for tracking citations and topics between bloggers
- Michele Costabile
thanks for the include robert, btw i'm most definitely on friendfeed ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Dave Armano (now working with Peter Kim, et al)
- Susan Beebe
Mark Zuckerberg is on facebook ;) hehe - add X
- Susan Beebe
@eldsjal and @MartinLorentzon from Spotify, and if there is someone out there who have not tried spotify yet, ill strongly recommend you to do just that. This is the way it should be done not just with music but also with video! http://www.spotify.com
- Nerkez
It's pretty good, but Andrew Keen belongs on there. Also, so few women on Web 2.0-3.0, eh? Glad you include VWS with Rosedale and Koster. Wagner James Au has not done anything original in 5 years.
- Prokofy Neva
Barrett Lyon of BitGravity and who was one of a handful of people who mapped the Internet
- Loren Heiny
Maybe Steve Gillmor because at least he is always thinking about this stuff all the time and working it, even though he's always wrong.
- Prokofy Neva
Prokofy: Steve Gillmor not being on the list was a major oversight. I always treat my friends the worst. Hmm.
- Robert Scoble
What about Dan Cohen, the Digital Historian leading the Zotero project? He's on twitter @dancohen. They're going to be launching a social network for researchers from undergrad to professor that will open up the research process to everyone through their Firefox plugin.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
My Poken is the pink one. You hold it against his. They automatically have "poken sex" and trade your information, which you can then see up on the DoYouPoken website. Very cute and would have saved me a lot of money in scanning business cards in.
- Robert Scoble
That is, if everyone had them. Right now they are too expensive to go really viral, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I have one. I agree with You, too expensive (15 euro each one)
- Luca Conti
I can't wait until these are cheap and available to everyone, which hopefully will be soon.
- Trish R
12 of them costs about $189, which is way too much. If they can get the cost down to $1 or $2 a piece, then I could see them taking off. Until then, they are fun game if you get one for free at a conference or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
in italy poken is amazing and overbooked !!!!
- michele ficara
This is hilarious! Poken sex is better than no sex! I actually heard something about the iphone app that sort of does this by exchanging info as you get close to another iphone user who also has the app. I do think physical cards will go away.
- Sheryl
probably wont catch on here in the states, but cool idea
- sean percival
It's a cool technology, though, and lots of fun to do at a conference if everyone has them (they are building them into badge holders, too).
- Robert Scoble
Way too expensive, and would you really ask a client "Do you Poken"?
- Bruce Fraser
Pondering Facebook pokes in a whole new unhealthy way...
- Ken Camp
They need to make one of those with "The Big Blue Monster" from GapingVoid on them :)
- Sean Kearney
If I asked questions like that in some of the pubs I go to it would be the last question I asked :-)
- Gordon Wheeler
What happens if someone just walks by and they have one do they automatically get your information
- Matt Bebich
Gordon: I wouldn't advise using that as a pickup line! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Matt: no. They have to touch to exchange information.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and they have "executive" versions coming out that don't look cartoonish.
- Robert Scoble
Sean, when they go down in price, they will totally catch on in the U.S. I went to a conference here in Houston where your badge was also a thumb drive with everyone's contact info on it and we were talking about how handy these will be when people are using them.
- Trish R
embed this tech into a mobile and you have a winner
- Richard Spalding
I just checked them out... The price for one isn't ridiculous. Under $20. I've spent more on memory keys and Walkie Talkies in the past. :)
- Sean Kearney
Consider the cost of a box of business cards before saying these are too expensive. Richard +1
- Justin Hopkins
Business cards can be used with everyone, these things can't (yet) Cards are still king.
- Bruce Fraser
I thought you couldn't buy them individually yet.
- Trish R
I like the idea. It's definitely neat. I would pay for a "Poken" with a custom logo on it. It definitely is unique.
- Sean Kearney
If they are going to replace business card maybe they should not make them look like something that comes with a Happy Meal.
- Brendan Clancy
Maybe they should give them away with Happy Meals, then we'd all have one...
- Bruce Fraser
There are new models coming that look very "executive."
- Robert Scoble
And if they really went viral, and someone Pokened profligately and started spreading PSTDs that ruined your Poken's ability to replicate...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Scoble: $1 or $2? $10 seems worth it, the savings in business cards alone could justify the expense. executive would be a plus... (i'm picturing a monkey in a suit.)
- Marco
Saw these about six months ago and thought it was a fart in the wind. Can't believe this is still around.
- Chris Menning
I'm all for adding a bit of fun to productivity. We take ourselves so freaking seriously all the time. This seems like a useful step away from somber zombiefication. Now for the corporate types who want faceless uniformity, surely custom Poken with suitably unremarkable appearances and all the functionality could become reality. Am I FFing myself out of my next job? Maybe I should go for a ride.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Robert -- i've got a cute little Geisha girl one. They're up to cool stuff. The cool thing is, the info isn't stored so if you lose it, you don't give up info. It's just an exchange of ID's. I love them. Ok, i'm partial. Had dinner with Renate and she rocks. Don't write cuteness off just yet guys. They're up to stuff. :)
- Christine Lu
I have one, KPMG gave some Poken at a professional forum for my school. I think, there are two problems. First it really doesn't look business, but as you said, a business version is coming. And, it only works with another poken, it should works with Iphone or blackberry using the bluetooth and a free application we can download for Iphone or Blackberry.
- tristan
If you poken, what's your poken score? I'm "Fan 244 points"
- KyleHase
from twhirl
Yeah, I still remember when Palm's IR beaming was going to kill business cards...
- Joel Bennett
This is the most bizarre idea I have ever heard of, but I like it. I doubt this will ever catch on though, unless it becomes cheaper and more "professional". I can't see cute little avatars being taken seriously in real world business.
- Angus Burton
they could be free and then it would be possibile to buy and exchange virtual goods. I do not see any future for business card: it is something that you can do with your mobile phone and I wonder why it is not yet implemented in the address book.
- Nicola Mattina
Really strange idea to replace personal cards...
- Marcos Vicente
you can get them in States at www.startpoken.com
- Roger Huitt
Mobile phones need to adopt/embrace this technology. I think it'll be a hit.
- Richard Merritt
I really think that business card will go digital.
- Keven
... the business card already has gone digital. Check out Contxts http://contxts.com -- I've been using it for a few months now... Works Great. And Saves Trees!
- Richard Merritt
Try it here if you'd like to see it in action... SMS/Text the word: RichardMerritt to 50500
- Richard Merritt
If u meet a sexy babe in a club, a sure way to turn her off is to pull out your poken.
- Tokyo Dan
I met a girl. I gave her a good poken. It was her first poken. Now she gives every man a good poken.
- Tokyo Dan
If you want to get arrested in Japan, walk into a police box and pull out your poken.
- Tokyo Dan
Need a design that more effectively accommodates the Japanese meishi-kokan culture.
- Daniel Fath
I like this. Even tried to buy a 12-pack. Link is broken. This does not bode well for this company.
- Leo Laporte
Once they get Poken with a bigger size limit (I think you can only store the contact information of 12 contacts at one time), maybe add a few more useful features in there as well, then we'll have a good product. Make them look like real high-tech business cards and THEN it will really catch on.
- Malcolm Bastien
@LeoLaporte Yes the website is their biggest weakness. The "card" information editor is abysmal.
- KyleHase
Cute and all but seriously, no businessman outside silicon valley is going to carry one of these things around.
- David Jacobs
Good point tristan: "it should works with Iphone or blackberry using the bluetooth and a free application we can download for Iphone or Blackberry".
- Jadito
Reminds me of that line from Singles when that once character is trying to convince everyone that they will want to ride the train but everyone answers, "but i love my car". People love business cards for better or worse, it's a way to be a designer without being one.
- adolfo foronda
You can store 64 identities on the current model. Once you reach that limit, it erases the first one. The device signals you at 60. I have three poken, just in case, but most of the time, I don't reach that limit. As soon as I go to my Mac and connect with doyoupoken.com, contacts are saved.
- Paul Papadimitriou
Note: beware of putting multiple pokens in one pocket: they talk to each other ;-)
- Paul Papadimitriou
I love the idea/bought 12 and have tried to push them a bit with my networking group however the lack of effort on the companies part to promote them in the US is really slowing things down. Adoption will not come with out some serious evangelism and seeding on the companies part.
- Joel Ordesky
Poken are doing great here in Japan. I helped the launch at a blogger event a couple of months back and there's been steady progress since then. I'm helping evangelize Poken here. The company has really done a lot of thinking in order to make Poken a success. Will definitely be interested to see whether they can get to a critical mass. I certainly hope so as they are are a huge time and cost saver. (If you think of the cost of one business card, one unit will pay for itself in a short amount of time).
- Andrew Shuttleworth
@ashuttleworth You're the Poken Pimp of Tokyo. Most people I've pokened said they got it from you.
- KyleHase
@papadimitriou The Poken are conspiring against you. Quick, wrap them in foil before they know too much.
- KyleHase
The Poken are clearly conspiring against me :-) Hey, I'm the official evangelist along with Andrew, so I had to test things out for you all ^^
- Paul Papadimitriou
Had a nice chat with Robert Scoble a few weeks back where I offered him a Poken by mail. He didn't know what I was talking about at first but then realized he had forgotten he had received one at SXSW. I mentioned how popular and relevant they were becoming and didn't receive a response. Wondering: what has changed to make them interesting now?
- Robert Sanzalone
Poken hype or no hype ? In the Netherlands it's a great success and Belgium is following.
- Mike Verdugt
robert do you remember when i first showed you that at last LeWeb08 in Paris in the cab?
- Ouriel Ohayon
I have one but I haven't met anyone else with one yet in the UK. Think it's a great idea and reckon it won't be long before businesses are using them.
- Lindsay Davies
what do they say about a fool and their money?
- Gee Ranasinha
Why can't this just be on a phone, seems like a waste of money to have a separate piece of hardware
- Ben
Complete waste of space. Buy a Poken but nobody has one. Pointless. Should be a phone as everyone else says. It's been said over and over with this product, why don't they just patent the technology and sell it to a mobile phone maker? Job done. Tired of these bullshit Web 2.0 gimmicks...
- Andrew Eglinton
I actually think http://www.mynameise.com will appeal much more to people actually using business cards. The connector is coming and brings much more than people giving each other an online card to look at. They did not win The Next Web Award for nothing :)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
There's a free app on the IPhone called 'Bump' that does the same thing as far as I can see.
- Rob Bell
They have been available in the United States for 2 months at www.startpoken.com
- Roger Huitt
They are here in NZ but I don't know anyone who has one and it's all about mass adoption - I prefer the snapdat iphone app - you can get someone to download it on the spot and bam - you got their details.
- James Stewart
Twitter just went down. Don’t worry, it was planned. It should only be offline for about an hour today but there’s another downtime planned for Monday as well. I’m sitting here not quite sure what do with myself, as I’m sure many of you are. So I’ll go ahead a prepare a list of alternative activities for today and Monday, in order of importance/likelihood:
- MG Siegler
from Bookmarklet
And then this morning, Australia time, friendfeed was offline due to svcolo datacenter problems. Over here in Oz, we were wondering what the friendfeed equivalent of the failwhale was. Pity Scoble's hulk picture is his normal avatar, because that would be a great failwhale equivalent.
- George Hall (Australia)
So the ultra amusing thing is: while twitter was still down, FriendFeed went down So we did infact sit on Facebook wondering when the two might come back up. And whether or not it was actually Louis Gray's fault. ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, but ther's a integration in tweetdeck?
- Frank
Used Seesmic Desktop since it was released and I must say, its FUN when we can give feedback to team seesmic and you get answer from them almost at once, AND the best: they try to fix it for you
- Qbat
I was watching when you typed that :)
- Simon Wicks
Thanks Larsen, but I want an application that integrate all my social activity. I want to see all my friends, all their status update and their activity. Ping is a simple service that makes updating social networks :)
- Frank
and lastly, someone needs to make an app that keeps ff and twitter friends in sync. I hate adding them manually to ff. It's a pain in the ass.
- Jason
OffTopic: Is it just Larsen that is displayd after my messages? or Larsen aka Qbat ?
- Qbat
So is that 1-2 days for even teamseesmic?
- Kevin Whalen
Hope they can keep memory usage down to DestroyTwitter's levels
- Manuel Mas
I'm hoping to get some sort of app that con hook up to everything under Eeebuntu on my Eee 701 and both be intelligible and not completely eat the CPU and memory.
- Joseph Zitt
@ Joseph Zitt I want to replace my eee 701 with an eee 901 it has loads more memory and battery life.
- Aidan Mann
SD keeps getting better and better and Loic is very responsive. Now, all we need is FF support and this will be the perfect app (and since Twhirl already has FF suport, can SD support be far behind?).
- Chris Sparno
Until the UI is fixed, and it's off AIR, I won't use it. Native apps, FTW!
- Daniel Brusilovsky
I downloaded the last version of SD and it overwrote all of the user lists I had worked so hard to create. Until that is fixed, I won't be using SD for more than updates. I posted my feedback to Seesmic's user forum and no one responded. Lovely.
- Rachel Polish
I went back to try it out but I am going to stick with TweetDeck. I think Seesmic needs to learn from TweekDeck.
- Rohit
Agreed! I've just created a userlist called ScobleFeed, it only has one user... ;-)
- Luke Gregory
Rachel, that user list bug should be totally fixed now. Daniel, you have no idea what it takes to create and maintain native apps as advanced as SD on both PC and Mac, I talked to Evernote today and they have LOTS of people to be able to do that.
- Loic Le Meur
Great job, Loic! It's great to have prompt response on our feedback and questions.
- Gerald Neo
That's just because Seesmic got preference by Facebook to present and see the OpenStream code before TweetDeck. Seesmic got a lucky, free head start. I'm happy for Loic in that matter, but TweetDeck will launch the same stuff, I'm pretty sure. Props to Loic for keeping good relationships with the Facebook team to be able to get opportunities like this.
- Jesse Stay
I am still super impressed with Tweetie desktop.
- Daniel Zarick
@Loic ... umm dude it's Thursday here in Africa ... I can haz new SD? ;) Since I deleted my Twitter account (thanks to Kutcher, Winfrey and "Twitter Trick" spammers) my SD testing has been on hold.
- Andy Kruger
Thanks, Loic! I will check it out again and am excited about the Facebook integration.
- Rachel Polish
Now all we need is Friendfeed integration and I'd love it.
- Brandon Mendelson
Giving it another try, but on initial start-up, I am still seeing some of the «issues» that have been irking me since the beginning: too much wasted space in the UI, CPU consistently over 5 to 10% usage, refresh problems lists not getting update or notifications not appearing & my twitter account icon not showing. I will continue to run it for a few days see how...
- Thomas V. Fischer
They got me too. Until tweetdeck does multiple profiles!
- robwest
from Nambu
Seemic Desktop is a great example of iterative/customer focused development. A few more iteration and they might get me to switch from Tweetie (which is an amazing application)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Does Seesmic Desktop suffer from the same memory leak issues as TweetDeck?
- Chris Poulson
TweetDeck is a lot better lately. But I don't care, I run TweetDeck/Seesmic on its own laptop that gets rebooted once a day. So steal my memory, please!
- Robert Scoble
What memory leaks does TweetDeck have? I run it on my Mac and never had any issues.
- Joe Lima
Joe: if you are following lots of people, like I am, it used to leak memory until it would eventually freeze my machine forcing a reboot. It no longer does that. So far neither does Seesmic's new desktop.
- Robert Scoble
I'm getting tired of changing clients every week. I'll stick with Nambu until more dust settles.
- Doug Kaye
polizeros: you can make Seesmic look very similar to Tweetdeck by dragging things to create columns. Until I got that I didn't like it as much either.
- Robert Scoble
why is it a "seesmic" desktop while it has twitter, facebook... but not seesmic? it's got a cute UI but less features than twhirl used to...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
I think twhirl is being phased out, and seesmic desktop will eventually include additional services.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
Excellent! I was just getting ready to switch.
- Kelly Williams
Can't wait for the FriendFeed integration coming soon!
- Garin Kilpatrick
"These bourbon laden treats were inspired by two things: those still spring, but almost summer days that give you a hint at just how blazing hot this summer is going to be, and… this weekend’s Kentucky Derby."
- Jason Toney
from Bookmarklet
anna, thanks for the avatar compliment.
- Jason Toney
You're coming to come visit for Derby one year right?
- Michelle Jones
me to friend: "dude, this is way too southern right now. we're on a porch with a hound dog..." friend: "and a mojito is basically a Cuban mint julep."
- tiffany
mint juleps are quite tasty. also according to the bourbon house website, Kentucky makers got the idea to age bourbon in barrels from new orleaninans. the story is that while they were shipping it down river, it went from clear to brown. when they'd ask for some "red liquor" the Kentucky folks were like what? and bourbon as we know it was born. that could be total B. S. though :-)
- tiffany
Michelle, let's pencil in the derby for next year. That sounds like fun. tiffany, do you have a big fancy hat?
- Jason Toney
I'm pretty sure I was on Twitter BS (before Scobleized), but not FF. FF is where I heard of Scoble, and followed his lead by making FF my homepage.
- shaun mclane
I made my Friend Feed account way before we met at Gnomedex last year, but it was after meeting you that I started being active. So that is your fault. Twitter however was the first micro-blogging (for lack of a better term) site I was active on. I think Leo is to blame for that one.
- MarkCarras
Was on Friendfeed when it was in beta looking for something to show all of the social networks I was at in one place. I think I joined a few days before it became open to the public. Come to think of it I signed up to Friendfeed before I did Twitter.
- Michael Ryan
scoble, i think its going to be more "before it was oprah-ised", they've got some hashtag in twitter going now...
- Terry O'Fee
I was on Twitter early but heard of FF through you
- Mike Brewer
Was on both before I heard of you.. I learned of you through someones tweet.
- Drew Paul
Mark: Leo is to blame for getting me to really use Twitter too.
- Robert Scoble
i discovered twitter through the madness that is warren ellis. i dont know if you were here before or after. no idea.
- Terry O'Fee
Leo and Kevin Rose were my inspiration to use Twitter. I was a Pownce user before that.
- Jesse Stay
When did you start on FF, Robert? I didn't join because of you but I can't remember if you were here when I started or not... I know eventually I "found" you on here and started following.
- Lindsay
I believe I got on Friendfeed just a hair before you started getting really popular here.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Scoble: Leo is to blame for a great many things. :D
- MarkCarras
Honestly, I think I was skipping most of what you wrote before I was on FF or twitter and was just using Google Reader to follow stories. However, once here on FF where I was able to see the discussions around the stories I have quickly started reading and paying attention more to what you have to say.
- John Spyers
Lindsay: I was on friendfeed the last week of February 2008 if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, then you were definitely before me... I started sometime last April... I guess it's about my anniversary now!
- Lindsay
I thought I was on Twitter BS, but turns out according to Twitterholic.com Scoble was on nearly 5 months before me! Guess it's all a blur. Pretty sure I was on Plurk before Scoble....oh, he's not on Plurk. Incidentally, Scoble joined Twitter 11-20-2006. As far as FF, I thought Scoble pretty much put it on the map, singlehandedly.
- Paul Salzman
I was on Twitter and FriendFeed before they were Oprah-ized
- Hutch Carpenter
I started in Twitter in March 2007, but how do I find my commencement date here?
- Ian May
I must admit that I need the scobleizer to get me on certain services...
- Troy Malone
Pfft: of course Scoble was here before me. But I feel like I've been using both ff and twitter forever at this point.
- Susan Reynolds
My first Tweet was in March of 2007 on my Jeber account. Referred by Chris Pirillo, as I recall.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I can't remember when I started using FriendFeed. I think it was shortly after Scoble though.
- Jesse Stay
I think with the username /and, I might have you beat on FF Robert. Twitter you surely were in before me.
- Andrew Leahey
Joined FF before Scoble because I saw it was by some ex-googlers :P Way after Scoble on Twitter though.
- Brandon Titus
So Scoble, where are we all going next?
- shaun mclane
Chris Pirillo turned me onto both Twitter & FF--Scoble was already here (and there).
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Joined Twitter June-07 and FriendFeed (in beta) Oct-07. Mostly consuming value rather than adding it.
- Ryan Miller
I was on Socialmedian, Strands, FriendFeed, Toluu, ReadBurner, RSSmeme, before Scoble. :)
- Louis Gray
Scoble got me on to Google Reader. Fighting with Mark Hopkins of Mashable got me on to Twitter. Feedheads got me on to Facebook.
- Louis Gray
I registered and used both before becoming communication active with you Robert, but I will confess that because of you I am now 10x times more active on FF that I was prior
- Keith Barrett
I got on Twitter because of you, and FF because of you. Other things I do because they are beta and I love beta. Or even alpha. I can put up with a lot of discomfort to see if something's going to be interesting.
- Francine Hardaway
I'm with Francine. We may have a beta addiction that we need a 10 step program for
- Susan Reynolds
Shaun: that is the big question, isn't it? Based on how many people are trying to get me to participate, FourSquare is the next thing for early adopter types.
- Robert Scoble
I was on FF, but really decided to check it daily and make an effort to contribute after it was Scobelized...
- Jamie Ginsberg
What is FourSquare? Got a link? Google turned up nothing useful...
- Internet's Tad
So does that mean that once Scoble is on a service it's no longer cool?
- xero
Ahh - I figured no way did that look interesting. LOL After taking a moment or two looking at it, it does seem like it has possibility, but it looks like no one is fooling with it here in Phoenix. I'll give it a few months and see if it generates more buzz. I'm a technophile, but I'm not an earliEST adopter.
- Internet's Tad
Xero: for some alpha geeks? Yes, that's exactly what it means! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm not sure if I was on either service before Scoble. I actually seriously doubt I was...but I also doubt the service was any different having been scobleized. I followed Louis Gray here to FF, though. I think I do remember him getting Scoble here.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Well Robert I should have listened harder when you said FriendFeed was the place to be. I signed up but admit I only used FF to monitor a few rooms. Funny you should post this question on the day I had a FriendFeed epiphany and made the decision to go full gorilla.
- Jesse Newhart
Jeremiah Owyang's post had me met cool tweeters and more.. I was silently and rarely visit my friendfeed until I knew Mona and learned that she was a prominent friendfeeder..
- Pico Seno
I joined FF in September '07, the week before the first beta launched. I'm not an early adopter, just a mainsteamer with connections!
- Anne Bouey
It was in July 2007 that I signed up to Twitter and FF so definitely not before Scoble... although, you were one of the first tweeps I noticed and followed. I wouldn't be without them now. Both Twitter and FF are useful in my business and I'm learning more each day!
- Ange Recchia/angesbiz
I was after Scobleizer. I actually joined after I heard Leo Laporte mention it on TWiT. I didn't know what Twitter was at first. I found out about FF after Steve Issacs mentioned it at Twitter.
- Mol, Santa Claws
I joined both Twitter and Friendfeed yet before i first stepped on your blog ;) And BTW, not meaning to offend you Robert, but before i started reading your Frendfeed i never read anything of your - i thought you were a... Wellm something that Arrington has become now (with all the respect to him) =) Now you are my top priority source of trusted metadata =)
- Kirill Bolgarov
Kirill: I'm an aaarrrroogggannntttt bbbaaahhhssstttaaarrrrrddddd. You can say it. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or at least I was until @ev took away my license. :-)
- Robert Scoble
no, I didn't join twitter until you drove me over the edge one day with your constant yammering about it when I was jumping up and down trying to get your attention about Julie Amero. It drove me to a rant and a challenge, which I ended up answering by joining twitter. LOL. I did join Friendfeed right away, before it caught fire with you, but it took me the better part of a year to figure out how to use it.
- Karoli
there's joining and then there's using... very different thing. Many of us have signed up on many things we don't really use except the occasional "how has it changed?" test, but should it become popular some will go "noobs, i was there early". Sure, there is satisfaction to having seen the value first, or even helped build it, but are we sure we did see the value and helped build it,...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I think it was JJ talking about it on twiiter, myself...
- Terry O'Fee
The one thing I know is I signed up for friendfeed before I signed up for twitter. I think next month marks my first year on ff. I started right around the same time as Robert did, if I’m not mistaken. I can’t remember, but I think it was a press release, which brought me here. I remember reading about it several times that week. Other than what I had read, I signed up not knowing what to expect. I don’t remember if I participated my first day, either
- Michael Fidler
. But, I can recall the conversations that day fairly well. I remember Robert making comments about how much less noise there was here. He was excited at the prospect of being able to have longer conversations, finally. He also loved the idea of rooms, and the different uses they might have. I also remember that everyone else was tired of the Fail Whale, and friendfeed might be a...
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- Michael Fidler
Robert: maybe just a little if you insist ;) But to be serious, coming back to Twitter vs. Friendfeed discussion: to me it's about context. On FrF you have tons of it, maximum one click away,and most of the time it's even embedded! Twitter is like web search - you have to make zillions of clicks and maybe, *maybe*, then you will find out the context of the conversation. That's why i didn't follow you (along with some other people) much - because basically all I saw the tweets, which were out of context.
- Kirill Bolgarov
If the target is lucrative enough spammers will find a way to circumvent the system. Rooms at this point seem particularly vulnerable.
- Brian Sullivan
I knew about Twitter from nonRS sources. However, Twitter did lead me to RS who then led me to FF. I did resist until the new Beta, however. :)
- CAJ, somewhere else
robert I am guessing we joined the services around the same time. i think I was one of the first 1300 people on twitter and pretty early on FF as well. so probably pretty close.
- (jeff)isageek
I don't know if it counts if you are the type that signs up for anything that launches.
- coldbrew
You were on twitter before me but I am pretty sure that I was on FriendFeed before you. It seems like I had to pull you in as imaginary.
- Seek Ground
I was on facebook before you. I remeber when you joined and I was able to "be your friend" within the first couple hundred.
- Christian Burns
Joined Twitter last September and was FF months before that. Twitter is "played". Too noisy. FF is so much better. Will be spending most of my time here.
- Carlo At Your Service
i have an idea and thought that friendfeed.com domain suits very well. enter the site and then the awesomeness begins by luck.
- İzzet Emre Kutlu
I did not realize the value of friendfeed until Scoble was accused to be an addict by Arrington. :-)
- Martin Seibert
I was on FriendFeed.com about 1 week after they launched in early 2008. Joined Twitter in Feb 2008. I had heard of Scobleizer only a little bit, but was hearing him make more and more noise on the tubes! @Spin Eric Rice gave me the URL link to FriendFeed. Then this guy LG, err.. umm... oh yeah... Louis Gray kept pimping FF, so I stuck around a while and wow, it's all been good ever since! Robert Scoble "Scobleizer" soon became another great person to follow on FF... you guys all rock!! woo hooo!!1
- Susan Beebe
Martin - I was a fervent defender of Scoble on that TechCrunch blog post re "Scoble needs intervention" crap. Mike didn't "get" FriendFeed; in fact, he STILL doesn't value FF...augh! I love Mike anyway, but man catch already! LOL
- Susan Beebe
Twitter was because of an article I read about it, but FF was because Scoble was the first person I followed on Twitter and he was just starting to discuss FF.
- David Cook
I found twitter, ff, and Robert Scoble via Ed Dale and the Thirty Day Challenge 08. Glad to have found all 3!
- LeighaB
Yes I actually was on FF before becoming Scobelize which oddly enough I found through Facebook as sort of famousfriend Ryan Leech famous Canadian Norco mountain biker http://friendfeed.com/rleech keeps us updated through FF. The rest in terms of being Scobelized is history PS he could help you with your mountain bike question: though i'm sure he'd say Norco all the way
- sofarsoShawn
I was on Twitter before I ran into Robert Scoble. However, he talked enough about FF that I decided to figure out what he was talking about. Here I am!
- Damond Nollan
No to twitter, yes to friendfeed. Surprised it took you a while to get on friendfeed. I enjoy all that you do. Thanks.
- Harold Cabezas
I was on Twitter after you, but I think I got on FF around the same time, though at the time I was thinking it wasn't that great, I am sorry to say.
- Neal Jansons
I have to admit I never heard of you before I got on Twitter, but followed you because of stuff you posted. I think it was you who brought me to Friendfeed in March 2008 and I'll be always grateful for that ;-)
- Gaby K. Slezák
Nope after Scoble for, twitter and FriendFeed, joined both due to the TWiT effect (ie. constant talking about them on TWiT shows). But was on Jaiku and Vox before Leo and Scoble, unfortunately Jaiku use has died down in the last few months. Jaiku's threaded comments are still superior to twitter for conversation any day of the week.
- LonelyBob
New web 2.0 terms: "Scobleized" and "Oprah-ized"
- James Guske
Yeap; joined twitter in April 2007, and FriendFeed soon after launch. But was anything ever not Scobleized?
- Keith Barrett
"designers kfir schwalb and orit magia of studio shulab have sent us images of their latest work 'lightpot', a small pot for growing plants and herbs indoors. it works with the use of LED lighting. 'lightpot' can be placed anywhere in the house and in any light condition."
- Live4Emma (L4S)
The best party is the Playboy party during SXSWm. Unfortunately it is invite only and has the rarest invites. Other than that the Rachel Ray party always has great food and the purevolume parties tend to have some of the better known bands. The British party this year has The Proclaimers playing (I would walk 500 miles) and it is the first time they have toured in many many years. If you are talking solely SXSWi stuff then I am guessing that the live Diggnation at Stubbs will be the biggest party.
- Hans Watson
Hans: I went to the Playboy one last year. It was good, but too big. I like Scott Beale's events better.
- Robert Scoble
The Mashable party on March 16th is gonna rock. Our soon to be announced SXSW celebrity charity event is going to kick off there so i'm a bit biased. And we're not just talking social media celebrities either. Musicians, actors and the internet famous getting together for good causes. :)
- Christine Lu
Sweet Leaf Tea & Do512 are throwing a party at Do512's HDQ's. They have a festive & great team over there & I am sure Tito will be bringing the Vodka to this gathering knowing the SLT folks
- Lyn Graft
Nice to hear you're going again. Hope to see you there. You don't happen to need a roommate to split costs with do you? I still don't have a room :)
- Mark Krynsky
@Scobleizer - you going to SXSW this year after all?
- Kenneth
Mark, I just locked down my hotel and flight this evening. There's still stuff available, at least to registrants. Now get on it! ;)
- Derrick
Mark, nope, sorry. Kenneth: yup, going! Christine: you gotta come to the Rackspace event with me, then we'll go to the Mashable event afterward. The Rackers are doing their first party and gonna blow it out. Anyway, cloud computing is where web folks should be hanging out.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick and Christine in the same city? NOW we have a party!
- Robert Scoble
I hope the "nope sorry" was referring to the room and not meeting me. Hehe
- Mark Krynsky
@Scobleizer rock on! SXSW has just got better! haha...
- Kenneth
Mark: yeah, I was talking about the room. We'll definitely hang. Gotta do something "friendfeedy" there.
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to RSVP for all of them and then I'll use Twitter to find the best ones - of course I'll need to at least stop into that Mashable party for a min or two ;)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Jennifer: last year Scott Beale and me made instant parties just by finding an empty bar, sitting down, and Twittering. Lots of the parties had long lines and really weren't that great.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: Amsterdam was fun. SXSW was a warmup. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hah truethat... u going to amsterdam?
- Chris Saad
Chris: no plans to, but I want to go back. I love that city.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, Robert. But Mark is the party starter. I learned everything I know from him.
- Derrick
Robert -- what's RACKSPACE? you have a knack for going to parties and hanging out with companies with interesting names. like LOVESAC during CES. so since you're at SXSW after all, can we count you in for the celebrity charity thing? i'll email you an update of who's confirmed. pretty awesome list my friend. :)
- Christine Lu
me too - but its no where near as fun if you're not on the speakers list so u can hang out with boris at those dinners
- Chris Saad
Robert, last year I stumbled upon an impromptu private party with Gary Vaynerchuck at a near by wine bar. He shut the place down and bought wine for everyone. That was the standout party for me.
- Jennifer Van Grove
Christine: Rackspace is a huge hosting company that went IPO last year. They are headquartered in Texas and are competing with Amazon's Webservices with its cloud offerings. They own a 1.1 million square foot mall which they are building into a huge datacenter. Pretty impressive stuff. Here's Scott Beale's blog about Rackspace which points to my video tour: http://laughingsquid.com/robert-...
- Robert Scoble
Jennifer: I hung with Gary Vaynerchuk last year too. That dude knows how to party! But I kept up. :-) We'll do something fun at SXSW again, I'm certain of it. Who knows, maybe we'll get him to do a show at some cool bar in town. Weirder things have happened and you do know that Austin is weird, right?
- Robert Scoble
@robert emailed u and the crew about amsterdam - we *need* to do that again.
- Chris Saad
Derrick, perhaps you are referring to my knowledge of beers and spirits which will be necessary for perfecting my rumpshaker to be as good as yours if that is even possible. Look forward to hangin' with you again as always my friend.
- Mark Krynsky
Derrick: last year I partied with guitarist from ZZtop and saw REM Speedwagon and had a private tour of Austin City Limits studio. The year before I was hanging out with Robert Rodriguez' crew at the Austin Film Festival. So, dump that Mark dude and hang with me and let's make magic happen this year. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I dunno. Mark's pretty bad ass. He got me all O_o on some liqueur from South Africa a month or so ago. He's got skills that would turn ZZTop's beards into french braids. No comment on my rumpshaking abilities (how do you think I got through grad school?)
- Derrick
Derrick: well, you can drink exotic alcohol with anyone at anytime. But hang with me and you'll have experiences that Mark won't be able to match. :-) Of course, I might gang up on you and invite Mark too. :-)
- Robert Scoble
At the Rackspace party we'll have Hookahs, hummus, henna. Beer, wine and wells. Belly Dancers, too :) And some surprises. Best of all, I'll be there :-)
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, Twitter notifications will be on for both you and Gary during the duration of SXSW...I'm happy to tolerate the noise for a chance to hang with you two. :)
- Jennifer Van Grove
Jennifer: unfortunately Google Latitude still crashes on my Nokia, but I have figured out how I can send my location out.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be sitting on my couch here in Australia watching the tweets on FriendFeed. You guys are welcome, I have dip...
- Johnny Worthington
Ooh Rackspace has hookah's. Nice. Apple and Mint flavors too I hope.
- Mark Krynsky
"Since information does not diffuse randomly in organisations, but rather reflects the nature and structure of human relationships, providing the right tools that support human social relationships, communication and interaction, will provide a significant ROI to the enterprise."
- V Mary Abraham
I seriously want to see the research mentioned in the first reference-- which is not a link to the actual research. I've written Pentland asking for a citation and have received no response. I've seen that quote about productivity several times and it needs to not be repeated so frequently without referencing the real deal.
- Kevin Gamble
Kevin: If you get a reliable link, could you kindly share it with the rest of us? Inquiring minds want to know. Thanks!
- V Mary Abraham
congrats! you should've gone for the slanket (a more fibrous cotton/poly blend) or even this more upscale, druid-like, woolen fabric of wonder: http://www.srulirecht.com/index...
- Cee Bee
Cee Bee yea, but does it come with a book light? Kidding aside, that looks great. Perhaps next year when we escape these rough economic times.
- Mark Krynsky
OMG I have a Slanket and cuz I wore it like a second skin it's so rank right now
- sofarsoShawn
What's not clear: were the videos in question ever on the phone, and second, surely if this was an issue, they would have done due diligence before the deal.
- Duncan Riley
from Bookmarklet
From the news report: "Verizon said the controversial video was never shown on it's vcast service, and was never intended to be made available."
- Ken Sheppardson
The video in question was posted A YEAR AGO! Didn't Verizon see this coming?
- Pat Hawks
Pat, my question exactly. Ken, I heard that bit, but then what were people protesting about? the context doesn't fit, how can you boycott something that wasn't there?
- Duncan Riley
Someone found out about the video, a huge public protest happened, it would become a media circus because someone used a keyword "racism". So Verizon went nuts and said "Ohh we need to make a statement and do something now! Who cares what?"
- Candace
Maybe people are just upset Verizon would do business with Feldman?
- Pat Hawks
Verizon is full of shit. Loren is not a racist... I'm not going to stand for this PC crap!
- Noah David Simon
ok, is it just me or did Channel 4 News spell "activist" wrong? acctivist? just sayin'
- Christine Lu
It doesn't matter when the videos were made - much like it doesn't matter when a scandal arises over someone else's past behavior - like Obama's pastor & McCain's association w/ Gov. Williams. The behavior may be in the past - but the "guilt by association" is always in the present. Verizon clearly decided not to get behind Loren in this. Sometimes, your past does come back to haunt you. Even if it's not 'fair'.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Lucretia, the thing that doesn't make sense is why Verizon didn't think about this BEFORE making the deal, sense the videos didn't just pop up.
- Pat Hawks
Too bad the social media doesn't have the power of the mainstream media yet. Verizon could get a load of us calling "bs" on the whole thing. Though I doubt that will make them panic as much as this story did. ...It's terrible but, I'm laughing. Because this...this is funny.
- Candace
I like the Rev Wright angle. That's double groovy with one and half twists.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
I think video is racist. Verizon and 1938 is a different story but the video is racist.
- Akshay Dodeja
Verizon is just a bunch of dolts wearing suits. If they didn't see it before it's because they didn't look for it. In other words: they didn't do their job. When they awoke from their slumber they were being pushed around by a bunch of hysterical PC ankle-biters.
- William, CPU Media
Media Circus time-Loren gets to follow the elephants and clean up.
- Mark Forman
hahaha this is great. I feel like 'internet people' have a much healthier conception of racism. Taking tech nigga out of context could easily make Loren a racist. But it really started a conversation, which is what I think what Loren originally hoped to do.
- Daniel Morgan
"Hello LA Humanity? This is Dave Winer. Did you know..." Have to say, glad to see feldboy getting nailed. Yep I am.
- jeneane sessum
@daniel morgan . I'm sorry but your comment "internet people" I find degrading to those of us who use the internet. I am afraid I am going to have to begin a public boycott of Friend Feed since they are allowing you to be on Friend Feed spouting such degrading stereotypes of people on the internet. ...I guess the internet is serious business after all.
- Candace
It appears things flared up over the weekend. I would just guess that in the wake of the announcement, the public started browsing Loren's back catalog. The video is linked to and/or embedded on a number of sites over the past few days. The earliest references to the boycott by Najee Ali, Project Islamic Hope, that I can find are from yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/5k4bxq and http://tinyurl.com/6s86yh.
- Ken Sheppardson
While we're at it -- screw YOU for not having some frickin respect.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
There's a difference between the state quashing free speech and people using free speech to influence the financial dealings of a private actor. Just sayin', 'tain't censorship. Loren owes his success to controversy, but that's a double-edged sword.
- Madsimian
Thanks for sharing this, Duncan, since I wouldn't have seen it otherwise, inasmuch as I'm ignoring Los Angeles local TV news, VCAST, and Najee Ali. Not boycotting, ignoring.
- Ontario Emperor
Funny, Twitter demands an answer from me...or maybe that's just the addiction
- Bwana ☠
Almost as bad as "Who are you?". Kidding! : )
- Mike Doeff
what do you recommend saying when starting a conversation then?
- Ahmed
Bwana: yes, but Twitter does it in a scalable way. On IM I have to answer that question over and over and over and over and over and over. Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh.....
- Robert Scoble
This is why I almost never open any IM client other than Skype. Skype doesn't seem to get that kind of boring garbage.
- MarkCarras
Ahmed: say something like "I have something cool to show you, do you have time?"
- Robert Scoble
Seems like reasonable IM protocol to me robert, maybe you're thinking about the tool the wrong may? Or I am!
- Richard Anderson
"What are you doing" <-----worst. question. EVER!
- Mona Nomura
IM is quickly becoming outdated, given the rise of the real-time web. I suppose there are still some valid uses (work and/or customer service?), but I haven't used IM in a long time.
- Chris Luckhardt
But what happens when you don't have anything to show the other person and you just want to talk business/get to know new people better?
- Ahmed
I've never (as far as I can remember) started any IM conversation that way
- Steven Hodson
Personally, I don't set my IM client to show online/offline/idle.. it's always on. I screen/defer IM messages just like I do phone calls, email, or any other source of interruptions.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm confused, I always thought asking how someone was doing was a nice polite way to start a conversation... I didn't realize so many people took such offense. Not everyone has to speak about news and tech every second of the day. A simple, "Hi, how are things? How are the wife and kids?" doesn't sound bad. Or maybe I am missing part of this conversation. Anyway, I am not much of a fan of IM either, but I don't see anything wrong with saying "How are you doing?"
- Dennis Jackson
Yeah, I'd hate it so much if people cared enough about me to ask about my day/life/wellbeing.
- Caleb Cherry
Richard: it is the WORST way to introduce yourself to someone new on IM. Get to the point and tell me what the fuck you want to know. My brother can get away with such a lame start. No one else can. It's why I don't usually turn on my MSN Messenger.
- Robert Scoble
It's considered manners to ask the person you are starting to chat to how they are, before going on to subjects like weather, rugby, etc. before getting started on what you really want to chat about.
- Jacques
I think the point is that we are busy and people need to just get to the point. This is work and the cliche greetings just slow us down.
- MarkCarras
Oh, maybe you meant from like a stranger. I was kind of thinking a close relative, or close friend. That's the only reason I still use IM is to chat with family and close friends. So, I understand where you are coming from.
- Dennis Jackson
I always forget to do that bit 9the polite how are you)..usually just jumping straight into the question. Unless it's with the 1 or 2 where we do just exchange inanities regularly.
- Rachel Clarke
I'd really like to go audit a "Business Communications" course at a first tier university these days and see what they're teaching. Do they teach "business IM"? How to compose email? How to leave voicemail?
- Ken Sheppardson
Yeah... you might accidentally start talking about THEIR needs.
- Marc
IM almost gone from my workflow. Twitter direct message for past IM-type discussions and back to IRC for team collaboration.
- Bill Rice
Chris (Luckhardt) IM has its place - one on one conversations, private conversations. More people have an IM than are on the other services, so far easier to use for many
- Rachel Clarke
Dennis: that doesn't work for someone with a high public visibility. If you read my friendfeed you know all that shit anyway. It just marks you as horribly clueless from the start.
- Robert Scoble
MSN Messenger is the really annoying. Facebook Chat is too. Due to the way people conduct converstations - Hey. Hey. You Ok? Yes You? Im Ok. This is what converstations are like all the time.
- Nicholas James
@Bwana No, Twitter asks "What", and that can be a lot more interesting! :~))
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Dennis: exactly. Close friends and family are fine to do that kind of talk with. But everyone else? It just wastes time and frustrates me. That's the kind of stuff that Facebook is great for.
- Robert Scoble
Caleb: if 50 strangers ask you the same question you'd get frustrated too. They don't really give a f**k about you. They are IM'ing you to get something from you.
- Robert Scoble
Marc: I love helping people get what they want. But it's the noise that is lame. It keeps me from using services. This one guy right now went back and forth with me. Turned out he wanted me to see his email. Just get to the freaking point. Geesshhh.
- Robert Scoble
Common courtesy need not die for expedience, does it?
- Mike Mackley
Robert - ok, if you don't know the person and you're looking to save time, I'd go with your"FFS get on with it" protocol, but, it does sound like a bad tool to use for your needs. IM is good for one to one / privacy / non-noise in my books.
- Richard Anderson
Jason: I apologize. It's just that I turned on MSN Messenger, got a ton of really lame interchanges. Pissed me off. And I'm venting.
- Robert Scoble
this is a freak'in hillarious dialog. I 'spose the reason some may not understand Scoble's position is they haven't yet seen the "global" nature of viral networking. On the other hand, I can understand why some people might not get it.
- Jim Sparrow
I only use Messenger to tell my daughter when dinner's ready.
- Nicola Quinn
Richard: yes. It's a horrible tool for someone with hundreds of strangers. FriendFeed and Twitter are taking over our lives for EXACTLY this reason. Now I can tell you all I'm pissed off once. Imagine if you all IM'ed me. I'd have to repeat it 30 times. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about an IM spam filter? rejects lame text and you can define it...sounds like a good fit for you :)
- Richard Anderson
yeah i try and stay away from it, or just leave up a perpetual away message directing people to one of my URLs
- Adam Singer
Robert, if I ask you how you are doing today, I actually mean it. I was raised to use "How are you" as one general conversation starter, but to never ask the question if I did not care what the response is. :)
- Robert Miller
would u prefer them to ask you what u are wearing?
- Joshua
Jason: yup, exactly. It's why I don't even use IM anymore. Anyway, when I talk with a stranger I don't pretend to care about their family, or their lives. It's rude. You don't start a conversation at a cocktail party like that. You get to a point "Hey, Jim over there told me I should talk to you about your new business." or "Louis said you have some new kids and that you're looking for playdates."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it's one thing to ask that after you are familiar with someone and friends. Then I'll understand the context and why you want to know. But to IM someone out of the blue and ask them? It's a waste of time and rude.
- Robert Scoble
Bwana: this is how I stay sane in an insane world! :-) Most people just block people like that.
- Robert Scoble
Good day sir, I hope this day finds you well. That is all.
- Andrew Smith
I can see how being a personality can make it hard to wade through the clutter. When I work with CEOs we don't spend a lot of time on pleasantries - I see your point.
- Marc
IMHO, if all you want to talk about is how somebody's feeling, great, ask how they're doing. If you just want to say hello, just say hello, but if you actually want something, say so right up front, without requiring syn/ack/syn/ack/... e.g. "Hi Robert, how are you? I was wondering if you might be able to help me by X, Y or Zing"
- Ken Sheppardson
The problem with instant messenger is that people think it is some kind of branch of normal conversation. You do not have to introduce yourself -- That's what your profile is for. I agree with Robert, just get to the point already. Unless I know you I don't want to spend ten minutes talking about the weather.
- John Bellone
Set up your IM with an automatic answer: What can I do you for? <- works great
- Qbat
How about "Very busy. Did you need something? I don't have time to chit chat."
- MarkCarras
I just got turned onto Twitter, I like it because it's more focused, more intimate and I can find like minded people in the subjects I like. It reminds me of a cross between IM (kept for family, friends and some clients when they need help) and Email Lists. This past week has seen me posting more on my blog because of Twitter. I also like it because it's short and sweet,I don't have to think too hard or get the code right, I just type away. I have just signed up for FF after following convo's to here.
- Tina Clarke
MacGirogia: I think that instant messenger is a little more intimate than posting on friendfeed.
- John Bellone
I wholeheartedly agree. Granted, if you're friends, that's different. But people that I rarely talk to and play 20 questions with me (I did this the other night), I just think, "Ok, why don't you just say 'so can you do this for me?'" I'm so used to it by now.
- Zach Flauaus
I agree with Jason H here. Building rapport is a lost art in this world and a simple "I am doing fine, how can I help you?" will suffice. If I ever need to IM Robert, I will be sure to get right to the point. I prefer IM to twitter, b/c it is more personal and closed. Note: I do not have a ton of followers yet though.
- Amani
I hate IM too--haven't used it in years, literally. And when I did use it, it was for work...sometimes we would all be working on a project together but be in different rooms (or different states) and it was an easy way to get information.
- Kelly W.
DO YOU KNOW- what bothers me more?? When I show good info to "A-list" folks, or engage in interesting discussion, and they don't bother responding(But often take the nugget or news I shared and retweet or even blog it with No attribution or nod)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
IM is turning into a protoco, XMPP is taking off. Mayby people will move with the medium
- Alex Kessinger
from Alert Thingy
I agree. Even if it's superficial chit chat, at least make it interesting!
- timedalkat
from twhirl
Mark: the thing that got me mad this morning is I tried to say I was busy, what do you need, and he didn't get the point and kept trying to make small talk. Aaarrrrgggghhhh. John is right. Get to the point. The new polite is to be impolite. After we share a beer and a meal then let's pull out the baby photos and talk about the weather and the mall trip we're doing this afternoon and all that! :-)
- Robert Scoble
If I run into you here in Vegas, I am still going to have to ask you how you are doing. It's just how I was raised.
- Josh Haley
Alex: I'm doing really freaking great. We're going to the mall to buy some snow boots for Davos and Milan is running around doing his happy dance. I gotta film that and post it for all of you. It's hillarious. Life is good and it's nice to be home from Vegas. Also, my computer is running like new again now that it has Windows 7. People are going to like this if they are Windows users.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I agree if that's where it's going anyway, and only where it's going: respect my minutes- don't spend them for selfish reasons. HOWEVER- last year we were reaming folks for just asking for favors without so much as a "how are you" so, they may be 'there'. I'm looking for both; at least some real friendship with folks I have any business/commercial contact with. And being disabled, and a full time single dad of 3, I'm not getting to 15 conferences a year like a lot of you :(
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Ed: I don't mind building a friendship but the stuff I am talking about isn't that. They want something and the chit chat is fake.
- Robert Scoble
I only ask "how are you doing" to start an IM conversation if I've not heard from the person in a long time. Usually if I start a conversation on IM it's to inform someone about something, or get them to do something for me. Niceties can be for phone or in-person meetings.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
You seem rude at all. If you don't want to chat, simply put yorself invisible and go away. You have options. And this comment is a fault of style and a fault of respect, imho. But, i agree, style is not required here.
- giuseppe
Being a friend means not wasting your friend's time. That is what friendfeed is for! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think in some ways that is just a way TO start a conversation..maybe just Human nature.
- Kreg Steppe
Then just say you hate fake people. I do too. End of issue.
- Josh Haley
Kreg: yup. Lots of people were taught it was polite to chit chat about the family and the weather. That stuff is still important but online with strangers it comes across as clueless and creepy. Anyway this is why Twitter and Facebook are taking off. Scalable chit chat. I only have to tell everyone once what is going on. On IM it is an "n-times" problem.
- Robert Scoble
Being a brother means annoying your brother whenever possible, just because you can...just remember it's all in love!
- Alex Scoble
Ahhhh Robert the Price of fame ,,, a lot of people genuinely like you , probably want to seriously ask how you the family etc are , Ive seen you online since the early 90's . Ive never talked to you in person but I would prolly ask how are you doing also . Its not meant to insensitive , but people know who you are , what you have accomplished and just want to say Hi and Hello .
- johnpiercy
Josh: everyone fakes it at times. If you have a fight with your wife or kids are you likely to share that with a stranger? No. I hate the friction this stuff brings. There is something deeper here though. I will think about it at the mall and come back to this later.
- Robert Scoble
It's a pleasantry and just a way to start a conversation. Some people might genuinely want to know how you're doing, though with an attitude like this I'm not entirely sure why. It could be a lot worse. I often start conversations with "wazzzzzuuuuupppp???"
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I completely agree. I would never walk up to someone I'd never met before and ask how they were without at least introducing myself and explaining what I wanted. So why would I ever do that online?
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
Tony: exactly. After we have some context and history then asking how my kid is makes a lot of sense. But not as opening line. It's a bit creepy, actually. Especially when a minute later I learn you really wanted me to do something for you. Plus, if you were really clued in and following friendfeed or twitter you'd have a much better opening line than that. "Glad you're home with your son from CES, I love seeing the photos you post about him." It might be fake but at least you've demonstrated you know me.
- Robert Scoble
You guys wouldn't last in the South. :) But I understand online is quite different.. but this brings up a good point. Are we seeing a culture clash online? The more and more we interact, the more likely we'll have to adapt. Hmmm.
- Bwana ☠
Down here, it's common courtesy to ask "How ya doin?" when you encounter a complete stranger, but that ain't so common in other cultures. I remember when I first started consulting, I got strange looks for being "so nice" :)
- Bwana ☠
Oh god I always start with How are you?
- Rob Brammeld
This strikes me as a very weird peeve. It's a very normal way to start a conversation - some variation of "hi", "hi" "How are you?" "Not bad you?" "Not bad - hey listen I was wondering..." is just about how all my conversations start. The "How are you" is a polite way of giving someone a chance to let you know they're busy or in a bad mood or otherwise can't talk before imposing on them with a question or thought or whatever.
- Eric P
Rob and Bwana: those are appropriate starts when dealing with people you know, but on IM they are friction. I know that isn't the reason you are chatting with me so it starts the IM on a bad note.
- Robert Scoble
I think it's a culture thing for me, but I don't have thousands of followers, so your situation is obviously different. Keep the vent going, get it all out Robert :)
- Bwana ☠
Robert: If I have it on good authority that you went through something perilous since we last talked, say passed a kidney stone or nail gunned yourself to a 2"x4", is it cool to ask how you're doing, since I have evidence that you many not actually be fine?
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: BTW, I full agree with this peeve too.
- Matthew DeVries
+1 Bwana I have travelled to the Myrtle Beach + Charleston area frequently and can wholeheartedly agree with your " How Ya Doing " statement . Im used to people staring down in a elevator , for fear they may have to say something . In charleston , complete strangers walking by you will say Hi ,,,, Im loving the southern hospitatility
- johnpiercy
This happens to me at work, where we all use IM. Huge company. IM is The way to contact people. When a co-worker friend says "Hi, how are you this morning?" I answer "Good? You?". But when my manager or a co-worker client, or someone I don't know (especially someone I don't know!) starts with "Hi, how are you?" I am, shall we say, suspicious. And I agree with Robert -- you want something from me. Please get to the point already.
- Vicki Brown
@Jason Heubel, but it's even ruder for some random to ask me "how I am" - as if they really care - then tell me what they're selling. Just get to the brass tacks. If it's not actually interesting to me it'll be ignored. There's nothing wrong with "hello scoble, here is a link to a great app i thought you might like ->" ... given it's robert's business to filter new apps for us.
- Scot Mcphee
Generally, I don't expect people to reply me after my greetings. The same goes vice versa. If people want something from me, they can say it. I "will" answer them whenever I have the time. Just because of that, I haven't replied any of my cousin's messages for months :) So for me, IM is no different than e-mails. It's just faster when there is a "conversation".
- Koray AL
I like starting with something very short that is essentially "Ping?" unless i know that the other person is someone like me that uses IM as short form email.
- Sam Pullara
Dealing with vendors and salespeople at the office is much of the same. They feign interest in your life, but really don't care and are just trying to get a sale. Cut the small talk and tell me what you are trying to sell me.
- Jim Bednarz
Sam: I love starting a conversation with "ping." I always answer "pong." Starting a conversation with a little short game like that makes me smile and get things off to a good start.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer I put stuff on Facebook and twitter all the time. If they want to know how I am doing I already said it there. And yet they still say it on FB IM, "How are you guys doing?"
- Christian Burns
I rarely use it anymore. If I really want to message someone, I probably have their number and can text them. IM usually just makes you talk to people just for the sake of talking with no real purpose.
- David Spinks
I don't care for IM either, but not for the same reason. While immediacy is a nice thing to have, it's a productivity killer, not to mention it sets some kind of strange expectation that I'm always in the mood to chat, regardless of my status setting.
- Victor Solanoy
I didn't know the sentiments around IM had changed so much!!
- Meryn Stol
I agree with Sam and Pwana, Robert. I only IM with people I'd give my phone number to. You put your phone number on your blog; we are talking different approaches and veeery different numbers here...
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Plus, IM is sure to get one's attention, where microposts can easily pass unnoticed
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Stop replying to this kind of messages, simple as that ;-)
- Sebastian
I'd much rather have a friend ask me how I'm doing than immediately jump at me out of the blue for a favor. Then again, I simply have no time for smalltalk nowadays.
- Tamar Weinberg
I don't like IM because the conversations feel inescapable and like I have to give my full attention without being able to really multitask, whereas on Twitter I can go in and out and get work done.
- Leslie Poston
I hear ya - I sometimes hate IM too. A lot of people just want to get on there and shoot the breeze because they're bored. But I'm working! Or they just want to ask for something that could have been emailed - it's critical to them, but not to you. It's a huge interruption. That's why I'm often logged out of GTalk which wants to add everyone in my inbox and then some. I use Windows Live Messenger but am very selective about who goes in there. Work colleagues, personal friends, family. Twitter is best
- Sarah Perez
I think the worst way to start a conversation is: "Are you busy?"
- James Bailey
I have to disagree with that, James... at least it shows honest concern that you might be disturbed and gives you an out to say "yes!". The worst way to start an IM conversation is "Hi". I HATE that... get to the point and tell me what you need from me! The only response you can send back is "Hi". 2 wasted lines and minutes of my life....
- Lindsay
well, how would you start a conversation? hello and then..... what?
- denise
Does he grasp the vast significance? The sheer magnitude? Oh my.
- Martha
BACON + CUTE KID ALERT! *falls out of chair due to "cute" overload!*
- Susan Beebe
I can hear it now "Milan, can you move a little closer to the oscar mayer? Just a little bit more. If you do, I'll buy you a KitKat. Say "Bacon"."
- Martha
Bacon is amazing, oh, Cute kid too :-)
- John Bellone
Actually that was Maryam holding him. He loves the iPhone a lot more than bacon. He also loves running.
- Robert Scoble
Sally: he's so happy most of the time but he is tempermental. If he doesn't get his way he lets you know. I guess he got some of my bad traits too! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think he is Irish, by the way. He does this funny little Irish-style dance everytime he is really happy. Did it right in the middle of Costco today. Why can't kids stay cute like that forever?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, did you have the Bacon Martini at the Double Down Saloon while you were in Vegas?
- Joe Lima
Watching the CES Presentation now. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
- Leo Laporte
Wasn't Palm founded by the ex-Newton guys? Hey Robert, check my response to your Pre review on my blog.
- Prolific Programmer
I love the Pre. It's gorgeous and the OS engineers have really hit it out of the park in terms of UX and UI. What I don't understand is all the love for Pre Apps. The iPhone had the same developer package at it's release. You aren't developing for the Pre you are developing for webkit. Therefore any app that runs on the Pre should run on any other platform.. ie the iPhone. Web applications are web applications.. no matter what the stylesheet looks like.
- Dave Senior
This may be the first true iphone rival judging by the first impressions. I can't wait to see what Apple does to counter. Although Dvorak says "bleh" as usual http://tinyurl.com/7bkaq6
- David
I haven't even considered Palm in years but now.. Its a different ball game. Sad that its on Sprint though. They want to make it for the masses release an unlocked version for GSM networks.
- Sloan Bowman
Yeah, being on Sprint is going to kill it. Sad, but true.
- MarkCarras
Alif: it's very true. The head of software for Palm showed me his iPhone that had pictures of me and my son buying the first iPhone inside the Apple store. He wrote key pieces of the iPhone and now runs the Palm Pre's software team. This is a totally new piece of software. Totally new team.
- Robert Scoble
Dvorak has been wrong about everything for 10 years. He still owes me $100 (bet me that McCain would win).
- Robert Scoble
lol @robert ..You called him out on TWIT for that C note and he STILL hasn't payed you?
- David
@Dave it sounds like the platform provides APIs into the phone's native functions so those apps wouldn't be portable.
- Alan Cheslow
Spidra: pizza and diet coke. Don't you know how programmers work? :-) Seriously, people at this level like a challenge. Imagine someone came to them and said "here's your one shot to do something better than the iPhone." Apple wasn't doing it. Why would Apple do something newer and better thought out than the iPhone? It already is the best. Companies don't destroy things when they are on top. So, they needed to go to Palm to see if they could do it there.
- Robert Scoble
Not every webkit implementation is the same: compare building websites for a Nokia S60 phone and iPhone. Similarly, we have lots of variation in the web-tech widget platforms out there. This is starting to resemble the browser variation of '95-'98 and will slow market development down.
- Ian Fogg
i hate that i have to sign a 2 year contract with Sprint to get one. is there an unlocked version coming out? maybe i need to buy it in HK if it gets released there.
- Christine Lu
Palm isn't an airline. It is an investment is something you think is of value.
- W. Kirk Crawford
ScottBourne: my son and I will be first in line at the Palm store in Palo Alto. Just like we were for the iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
Speaking as a non-US person, this product is nowhere unless they get a HSDPA/GSM version out in the same timeframe
- Ian D. Nock
How does the Pre compare to, say, the N97 or even the Storm in terms of features for the dollar? Thx
- Rui Pereira
Christine: It's worth making the distinction that as opposed to the iPhone/AT&T relationship, Sprint is simply the exlusive "launch" partner for the Pre. The Centro rolled out on Sprint, Verizon, and AT&T within six months of launch.
- Ken Sheppardson
"The Pre will indeed be available in H2 [2nd half] within the UK and selected European markets" -- Paul Ghent, VP Sales, Palm Europe http://is.gd/fodI
- Ken Sheppardson
RE Hiring Apple engineers at Palm, they've been working on it for a while, e.g. "Paul Mercer joined Palm with two employees from Iventor, the independent design firm that he headed in Palo Alto, Calif." -- http://is.gd/fofG
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love for Palm to be back in the game. But design is only half the equation. What drove me from Palm wasn't its creaky old OS: it was horrific customer support and manufacturing quality control. Robert, are they addressing this? I *want* to love Palm again.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: the new CEO of Sprint says he is, but that one is a hard one to prove and will take years to see if they raised the bar. Palm hired the best supply chain in the business to make the Palm Pre. These guys know how to work with the Chinese to make great products. They already know the ropes over there. I wish I could say more, but the guy who runs the supply chain over there asked me not to.
- Robert Scoble
Well, power to 'em. In a down economy, we're looking for things like durability and support as much as feature set. I'll certainly be paying attention as my current iPhone contract winds down.
- Chris Baskind
well now as soon as I go to bed that'll be what I'm imagining is crawling across the pillow towards my face... I have to cut out FF before bed!
- Joe Pierce
The bus is sponsored by Lovesac http://www.lovesac.com/ and is what the founder uses to go around the country. Very comfortable. It's a showcase for its furniture.
- Robert Scoble
We're just leaving the Burlingame train station and we'll be making our way to Los Vegas for about the next 10 hours.
- Robert Scoble
hi guys! i'm on the Lovesac mobile lounge and trying not to get carsick while tweeting. where's the bucket?
- Christine Lu
Nice Scoble.. thank you..I'll be tuned in at the FF blog
- Qbat
More pics of the bus please.. looks amazing
- Qbat
Morten: we'll load more photos soon. We have 10 hours ahead of us, so I'm sure it'll get more fun over time.
- Robert Scoble
If I click my heels three times and say Scoble, will my geeked out party bus arive? Hmm, let me try......Nope, I must not believe enough.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
w00t, the lovesac bus is teh b0mb0rz
- drew olanoff
You guys are late, I got my Blogger Badge and have been at the Storage Visions conference. Going to an Asus meeting now.....CES Unveiled party in one hour! I'll have a drink for each of the bloggers on the bus
- paul mooney
Paul: yeah, but did Seagate give you a 320GB hard drive? It did to everyone on the bus! http://www.seagate.com and we have fine Scotch Whiskey too!
- Robert Scoble
Kiran, sorry about that, we fixed that URL. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Make sure you all say hi to Dick DeBartolo!
- Jim Bednarz
Have a great trip to Scoble and all the Scoble Friends!!
- Dave Winer
Ooooo. Mona. Not good. But you're better at FF I imagine.
- Roberto Bonini
You're saying it wrong, just tell people you play by your own rules!
- Joe Pierce
I really stink at Twitter. I'm not a fan of @replying and it's tough for me to filter and keep with the conversations. When people wake up and respond to EVERYONE at once and flood my timeline, I get annoyed and close the window. 3rd party publishing apps HAVE helped, but I miss A LOT of things from a lot of people - and it sucks.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I also feel bad when I reply to one person and miss another, I can't stand people who @reply me just to say "HEY I AM FOLLOWING YOU, FOLLOW ME!" uh who are you? Seesmic and FF cross posts into Twitter is annoying, I also don't like how you're getting talked at and not to (my gripe since day one)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Ok, but to be fair the upside of Twitter is the ease of publishing and I can broadcast my FF posts and direct people to here. A great example is the iPhone concept post - Facebook and Twitter people came and participated. It was pretty neat.
- Mona Nomura
I just use FF as my Twitter client. Works for me.
- Roberto Bonini
Mona always has great opinions... one of those people that even if you completely disagree your like" damn Mona, that's a good point"
- Cody Heitschmidt
One thing with Twitter is that it's ok not to reply to every message - in a way that's expected and should not offend. Also a good mobile client helps LOTS. I also use Twitter as more of a way to update Facebook than to have many ongoing conversations which as you say are very confusing/time consuming.
- Wayne Schulz
Cody - that's just my overly caffeinated motor-mouth at display. ;) <small>thank you for the words, I can't take compliments well haha </small>
- Mona Nomura
from IM
That's what I don't like, actually. If a person takes a few seconds out of their day to respond to somethign I said, they should get the courtesy of a response. Even if it's a "hi" or "thanks". I don't know about you, but I want to feel like I am visible and not yelling at a wall, so I make sure to treat people the way I want to be treated. Expecting to be ignored is stupid.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
i didn't say i like this because i agree with it, but rather because i wanted to rebroadcast it. IE friendfeed doesn't have a way to ReTweet, but rather just "liking" something.. which implies emotion, agreement, etc. I'd rather discuss with people in shorter more conversational bursts than longer rants. so that's one of the main reasons i like twitter.
- mary
Mary: your disclaimers are hilarious. I should've added hashtags just for you hahaha!
- Mona Nomura
Also, i prefer to have a clean conversation like in Twitter, verses having my yelp feed, my photos, and lots of other things that often don't apply. but FF for me overwhelming, whereas twitter is smaller, more intimate. so i respectfully disagree, but understand your thoughts.
- mary
@mary Just think of it as: "I'd 'like' other people to see this post."
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Mary - I totally see where you're coming from, since your network is already established and you know who you want to listen to. Heck, you're a newsmaker and I'm still a listener, so perhaps that may be part of it, too.
- Mona Nomura
Aww, it's ok Mona. This is why you're the FriendFeed Queen and we love you for that. :)
- Daynah
It's too hard to follow conversations on Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
it's almost like- some people's brain works in a "twitter way" and some people's brain works in a "friendfeed way". Me: FF.
- anna sauce
Which is really weird because apparently my rank is pretty high - whatever that means.
- Mona Nomura
I have wondered about the Cross posting: I find it helpful (for myself) do use FF as a "Catch all" depository for various content--but I feel like it must "pollute" the public timeline with out-of-context stuff.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
FriendFeed is more useful because I can filter the information - @replies (Tweets) are grouped and so I'm not bombarded with sudden floods.
- Mona Nomura
Steve: where XMPP goes, track goes. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How on earth would you *track* video?
- Shawn Farner
track in Seesmic is coming with the new platform :)
- Loic Le Meur
Track will only return when Twitter allows it.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve: Twitter isn't the only tracker under development. There are others coming. You will have your wish in 2009 whether or not Twitter does it.
- Robert Scoble
Shawn: Seesmic will no longer be just about video. That's a hint.
- Robert Scoble
Brian: exactly. But there are several people who will turn on track using XMPP features.
- Robert Scoble
only when Twitter releases the stream, which I bet is to themselves
- Steve Gillmor
Robert: Sure... no argument. XMPP is an enabler of track. But saying XMPP = track is like saying HTTP = Blogging - XMPP can enable lots of stuff.
- Brian Roy
track has never been about technology, always politics
- Steve Gillmor
what are you saying, loic, that you have permission to access the full twitter firehose?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve - I'd have said it was about data (and access to data) - but what you said nails it.
- Brian Roy
Steve - you mean the politics of who has access or not?
- Michael Krigsman
I can't wait until we get track so we can go on to the next political issue:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Robert, why is it earth-shattering news that Seesmic will no longer be only about video? They tried something, it didn't achieve their goals, so they'll try something different hoping to making it work. Big deal.
- Michael Krigsman
Michael it is a big deal when a startup shifts to a better plan
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, doesn't say much about the general intelligence of startups, in that case. I suppose that's a key reason so many fail.
- Michael Krigsman
Yes, Michael, think of Track as Twitter's daughter and Twitter standing in the doorway with a baseball bat when you bring her home from a first date.
- Steve Gillmor
Steve Gillmor has just made me realize that I've failed with countless daughters in real life as well as Twitter's daughter. Maybe I'll go for a walk.
- Shawn Farner
Steve: we're going to route around Twitter's track. The groundwork is being laid. But it doesn't matter. By the end of 2009 you will have your wish. Either Twitter will turn it on, or the rest of the industry will route around it anyway. Or both.
- Robert Scoble
unfollow josh. learn to use your tools.
- Steve Gillmor
from IM
The real time web is about to explode in growth.
- Robert Scoble
Robert route around. I think not. Wanna bet?
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, except in this case it's ultimately about the economics of investment, which is then expressed through the politics. Viewed from this perspective Track emerges as an fascinating human drama rather than remaining an arcane technical issue. Thanks for helping me understand the significance.
- Michael Krigsman
Josh - No question aggregation is a potential solution... but I don't have access to that backbone either... do I?
- Brian Roy
Steve: if you don't have track, how did you find this post so fast?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: through friendfeed realtime. when they have track, it will be that much quicker
- Steve Gillmor
Josh pick one - bored or asking questions.
- Steve Gillmor
text friendfeed xmpp is almost quicker then realtime ... almost
- John Blanton
from IM
Steve Twitter's very close to opening their Firehose - they've admitted it on the dev lists. See my post on LouisGray.com: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Jesse Stay
yes louis,Thanksgiving at the latest. However, Fred's comments to me were just a few days ago at LeWeb. It's coming, just gated on the Summize team feeling it's ready.
- Steve Gillmor
Josh: Steve has been pushing for track for a long time. Just Google his name and the term. Have you ever heard of the Gillmor Gang? This is not Breaking News.
- Rolf Schewe
wow, interesting thread ... I'd love to see Track get some traction...let's go!
- Susan Beebe
Steve yeah - should be any day now based on what I'm hearing on the dev lists (a lot of developers there have been asking as well). (and my name is Jesse, not Louis) ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Check out his blog, Adriana. Progressive thinker, brilliant, rational, and an authoritative voice - he is one of my favorite people around. :) @Jesse: I don't understand why more people aren't subscribed to him. He should be top five. Easily.
- Mona Nomura
I took your advice, and grabbed his feed
- Ian May
His blog is a must read: http://500hats.typepad.com/500blog... Check out his entry from Dec. 2nd: http://500hats.typepad.com/500blog... "This past summer, I did a presentation called "Facebook Big Pimping" for some entertainment execs down in LA. The presentation was about using Facebook, social networking platforms, news feeds, & apps to drive content distribution & commercial transactions." Big pimping LOL
- Mona Nomura
And don't judge him by his casual language, the man has paid his dues and his pedigree is insane: http://500hats.typepad.com/500blog... Yet he is so down to earth, the no. 1 reason I am a HUGE fan. :)
- Mona Nomura
Dave totally rocks and he is very optimistic which I need a lot lately.
- Robert Scoble
AND he comes around and interacts with us on FriendFeed - though he's been MIA as of late. Hmph.
- Mona Nomura
from IM
wow. late to the "me" party, but feeling the love all warm n fuzzy :). thx mona, christine, jesse, robert, & friends... lemme know where to send my check!
- dave mcclure
TOTALLY late to the party, Dave. We miss you 'round these parts. Stop by more often. :)
- Mona Nomura
He is a real guy doing real stuff making a difference for real people and leading by example. oh, and i declared myself a fangirl last night because i got to the meeting hungry and he fed me lasagna.
- Christine Lu
Christine - I am the president of that club. Been a fan since I saw his handle "500 hats" ANY Seuss fan is good people in my book. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Dave, my paypal account is paypal@staynalive.com ;-) I will promote you for free though.
- Jesse Stay
The question is, where do we write out our checks?
- Jesse Stay
Hi Dave glad to see you arrived to your party! *love and hugs from FF!* <3
- Susan Beebe
Mona I took your advice. I went to his blog and didn't get to bed until late because I was so intrigued. Amazing man. And looks like my X fiance! LOL
- Adriana
Toyota own's here in Uganda, American cars are very hard to find.
- Jon Gosier
from feedalizr
It's likely that in China US brands are popular because they're an import and therefore a status symbol.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
US brands like Buick are actually made in China. They're popular because historically before China was communist, Buick was a very popular brand. So when GM entered the market in the 90s, they thought they'd begin by bringing a well recognized brand back. It worked. Became status symbol for all government officials and wealthy folks. Now they're introducing other GM lines like Cadillac etc.
- Christine Lu
Interesting about the Buick "brand's" adoption. When I visited (Guangzhou) China in 1987, Mercedes seemed to be the popular auto (and truck) there (aside from waves of bicycles).
- Jim Courtney
Buick seemed very popular 2+ years ago, when it was primarily the only car on the road, but now don't see it that often in Shenzhen or Songjiang. (there are few re-branded cars there sold as Buicks, like the Suzuki) Buicks in the US use Chinese engines, but the cars I think are made in the US(though it is cheaper to replace the whole engine nowadays then to fix parts). You will notice slight refinement differnces; such as how much better a German VW is made VS a Shanghai VW.
- clarke thomas
I read an article, I'm pretty sure it was about Buick, how they designed a model in a Chinese design shop specifically to appeal to the Chinese market.
- mikepk
And at Ford, we've seen profitable results this quarter in South America and Europe, where the Blue Oval is particularly popular.
- Scott Monty
All the western brands are majority-owned joint-ventures by Chinese. Mercedes is still the most prestigious brand for government officials, and Audi for the richest in China.
- Joshua Allen
@Christine Lu: That's very interesting. Though I did guess they were produced in China. I wonder if there is ANY real goods import from the US to China.
- Amit Morson
"There were some bright spots around the globe for GM. It saw a solid 4.3% jump in sales in China, even as industrywide sales there declined, allowing it to pick up market share. China has become an increasingly important market for GM, one which accounts for more than one in ten vehicles it sells worldwide." - http://money.cnn.com/2008...
- Steve Wilhelm
the auto industry has been have problems for a long long time, just ask anyone who lives in the state of Michigan which has been in a one-state recession for almost 5 years
- Jonathan Jesse
The problem is that money is sitting offshore. Corporations aren't going to bring it back into the US just to lose 35% to taxes.
- Chris Mayer
Agreed, Chris. That's why potential auto manuf. bailouts are disgusting to me. They made their beds by just moving junk metal and pumping up stock returns, instead of focusing on making a good product matching customer desires and making profits through customer satisfaction. Hope China can learn lessons from us.
- Kevin Leroux
I don't know if its wise to save the big three. Capitalism is about renewing the old and I cant see Ford, GM, and Jeep changing anytime soon. What if we let them fail. Doesn't that give companies like Tesla a real chance of changing cars in this country?
- Erik Weese
president-elect obama will bail out the big three, think about he has massive support from the unions and also has governor granholm (of michiga) on his economic transition team. we definitely see an economic bailout for the big 3. also i doubt very little limits on these companies as any more would put even more constraints on them and more job loss/facotry closure, less union employees, etc
- Jonathan Jesse
Erik... are you saying if we lose Ford GM and Jeep then we'll all be able to afford Tesla cars? How's that work, exactly?
- Michael Markman
Well, American brands are actually quite popular overseas. People actually consider it a.. mark of wealth of sorts, if that makes any sense. In some countries, anyway. Which is a good thing for us, of course. Whatever little help we can get, we probably could use. Also, by what I heard on CNN last night, it sounds like Ford doesn't need a bailout as much as GM does.
- deepikaur
Yes, Ford seems to be better positioned. GM has been having issues for quite a while; years. I really do not think Chrysler learned from their last bailout round and that bothers me.
- Robert Miller