Hah proves my point of the Lite version not being a twitter killer =D Western media is crazy they don't understand why a company would make a lighter version of the site!
- | Balu |
As I said in another case it doesn't matter. That drop comes just before the massive influx of new users in four to six months from now. That's especially true if they don't disappear into being nothing once more.
- Richard A.
Richard: You are right but My feeling is that Friendfeed is a lot quiter now then before Facebook. So I think these stats will be a lot worse in a couple of months.
- Svartling
from iPhone
Looks like a lot of people *have* bailed. Enough people here hate Facebook so much, they're willing to destroy FriendFeed... :(
- Dennis Jernberg
One announcement from Paul, Bret or any of the FF team could turn this around in a heartbeart ... If that's what they want to do going forward.
- Charlie Anzman
Dennis: I don't think it is the people that destroys friendfeed, it was the Acquisition that did it.
- Svartling
Charlie: Yes if we could be Assured that friendfeed will still be developed as before and will remain an open system, then it will survive.
- Svartling
I'd like to see the ability to comment on someones else comment, instead of doing the @ thing, why not have a button after the persons name (once they made a comment) that says 'reply' and it turns into a threaded like thingy. Something like what DISQUS does with they're reply system (below)
I don't. It won't be realtime anymore. And it would break the conversation into parallel discussions :(
- Jérôme Flipo
i'd like to see replies to comments, with each comment still in 1 chronological thread. similar to how forum quoting works
- Mike Chelen
I'd like to have a dropdown menu from the comment icon with several options including 'reply'. Then have a 'My Replies' page to view them all that are posted to me.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'd like to see that, too. the comment system we use on FF now seems a little bit of mass if one topic have too many comments.
- yagami
love the way it is now, and would also like additional comment reply options such Kol mentions
- Mike Chelen
But, I would like to see a formalized reply system. Heck, I would even be happy with @replies, using the FriendFeed username like twitter dows. That way, anyone who starts a comment with @jworthington, I could not only see it on a Mentions page but it would be highlighted in some way live on the page, maybe using a light yellow background or some type of font adjustment. Threaded conversations don't work in realtime. They may work in some static, after the fact reading but for real time conversations, no.
- Johnny Worthington
Let's divide this request into two components: new functionality (threaded or multi-tier comment tree), and implementation (special button or dropdown menu to invoke comment threading). Ad #1: I don't know much about FFeeders intentions, but it looks pretty clear-cut to me that hierarchical comments never have been on the agendum. With luck it'll stay this way [and some of us know why,...
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- ianf ⌘
To those who don't think threaded conversations work in realtime, don't forget that FF is not real time for many users. I live in Australia but most of the conversations I have here are with people from the US. They're not often realtime and as such it can be difficult to keep track of multiple threads in a conversation when there is no easy way to see who is replying to whom, and when.
- Mark
@ianf I think your suggestion of hypertextual links would be a good compromise. There should also be a link added to the comment being responded to so that one can jump directly to the response, as well as being able to click on a link in the response to be able to jump back up to the comment being responded to.
- Mark
@Mark, I second your suggestion. The "Reply" button should, IMO, immediately opens a new comment textbox prefixed with "@someone" as a hyperlink. The "@someone" hyperlink might be outside the textbox (to prevent accidental edit/deletion), and when the "Post" button is clicked, that hyperlink will be clickable (duh), pointing directly to the Comment that's being replied.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
Apps in this screenshot are exactly the same as on an iPhone, which is the worst-case scenario I can think of. Look at the playing vid, it so cluttered compared to the new QuickTime X which will be available in SL. If there's going to be a MacBook Touch (or whatever you like to call it :)), it needs to run SL and not just an iPhone running iPhone OS with a larger screen.
- Reüel
I dunno, looks fantastic but think of how much cleaning you'd have to do. The screen would all be fingermarks, and what would happen to eating in front of the computer while working, which I seem to do a lot of the time?
- Giulia B.
While still fake, the screenshot claims it could run iPhone apps AND native OS X apps. Look at Safari on the right. This would really be awesome if they do take that route.
- Hector
Isn't there work like this in a development channel to make a table-like computer that is 100% touch and bluetooth? Any links or news? especially since I just bought a new MacBookPro...awesome.
- Jimmy Watson
Interesting concept. I like the idea. But the one thing that would be interesting to see is: how does the designer of this "MacInTouch" propose to handle the menu that are part of a normal OS X application. I can definitely see a "MacInTouch" being a big iPod Touch and allow multiple iPhone applications to run in separate windows and if the application was marked to allow for multiple...
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- Paul Franz
Interesting non statistically-enforced numbers.
- Marco ILLESCAS
Friendfeed users sophisticated? :-) well twitter and blogs were no surprise, but 6.1 service connected and google reader percentage is higher than expected.
- testbeta
Interesting, the mail UX is one of the main reason I hate the site, their inbox is of no use to me!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I'm sure I'm being dense here, but what's the benefit for me as a user?
- LogEx
Logical the benefit is that you'll soon be able to manage your Facebook messages in clients such as Seesmic, similar to how you do DMs
- Jesse Stay
from iPhone
Isn't it only one way? I thought i read that somewhere...
- Frankie Warren
Yeah, hopefully we can just manage it through an email account instead. I can get them in my email but I have to log into the site to respond. We should be able to just reply to the email, a la friendfeed. then i don't have to use their interface...
- Bill Kinney
Frankie, as I said in my post, yes, you can only read inboxes, not post to them currently. That doesn't stop you from including a link back to Facebook to let them post though.
- Jesse Stay
So ... I'm going to get a notification in my Gmail account that I have a Facebook email?
- dkb
dkb you can do that already - just set it up in your privacy settings on Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Riiight. I guess I'll have to wait and see it in action. Doesn't make sense to me, but I could be missing something.
- dkb
People can congratulate the FriendFeed guys as much as they want but this site would be NOTHING without us. And I don't mean Scoble and his tag-alongs. I'm talking about the core group of users who have truly made FriendFeed what it is today. Technology without users is dead.
I dunno, the site has had a bunch of different sets of "core users" over the years. I thought it was useful before the current crop showed up.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Ok lets go all high school in our reactions here.......
- Rasmus Lauridsen
So the FF snobs can't play with the FB snobs? Is that how it works?
- Bette Cooper
Being a snob about Facebook is like being a snob about processed cheese slices. You can try it but you're going to look damned foolish.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Good grief. There's nothing here that didn't exist in 1993 via IRC and Usenet. Get over yourselves and go make the next Friendfeed if you're all hot and bothered about it.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I have no doubt plenty will say the same about FriendFeed...
- Bette Cooper
other way round - we wouldnt be here if it wasnt for the FF guys
- Jamie
Amen. They said nothing about users in their announcements.
- Dave Winer
Arrington's inteview with the FB and FF guys suggests they want the engineers not the service itself
- Mark
"There's nothing here that didn't exist in 1993 via IRC and Usenet".... Actually you're wrong. IRC and Usenet, like successors Facebook and Twitter were/are all about conversations with ocasional nuggets of information. Friendfeed was all about nuggets of information with eventual conversations around them.
- Mario Valente
"Bret and the gang owe it all to us and we have now been paid in full." This would be true, Akiva if Facebook had bought friendfeed for the content...instead they bought it for the talent. I think this could have happened regardless of community involvement, which is why it's an even deeper betrayal.
- Alex Scoble
Why is it a betrayal? Friendfeed is a BUSINESS....
- Rob Sellen :o)
If you don't understand how screwing over your customers is the worst betrayal a business can do, then you shouldn't be in business.
- Alex Scoble
Holy crap! Friendfeed is a business! Wow, I comLETELY forgot!
- Jim Hearts FF
Alex, what have you bought from friendfeed so far? I guess it all depends on who you think the customer is.
- Richard Lawler
I bought the use of the service and I paid for it with my time, my words and my word of mouth advertising.
- Alex Scoble
I'm looking for Alex Scoble's time, words and word of mouth advertising on the balance sheet, gimme a sec.
- Richard Lawler
I don't know, Akiva. I've had a lot of good experiences here. Among them was getting to know Robert Scoble and his tag-alongs. I feel like they won me as a user with the technology and community they gave me. It's their party. They get to say when it's over.
- Bruce Lewis
really? REALLY? And who is the core group of user to which they depend on so much?
- Patrick Allmond
word Akiva. That post up there, that could me posting it. That how much it rings true with me.
- vijay
That's a direct insult to: (1) everyone who is not part of "us" [whoever your 'us' points to; not me] (2) the brilliant engineering of the FF team [because if it wasn't for your 'us', FB would not have come to them with $50 million].
- Mohamed J
without the team and the VC there would be no "us"
- Thomas Power
If you want to know who the core group of users are, just check out ffholic. And if the FF team is insulted, then they should've better prepared themselves for the backlash that they had to know was coming.
- Akiva Moskovitz
The wealth of social media is in the user community. Your friends are your personal credentials and so it goes... all the way up the line.
- Fossil Huntress
Without the users friendfeed is nothing but lines of code.Actually, without anyone to use it, it would be useless code. Sure VC invested in it, but so did we. And the ff team and VC win and the rest of the investors (us) lose.
- April Russo (app103)
Akiva it's not the developers you are insulting it's all of us "Scoblefollowers" We are part of this community but you decided to swing the high school clique bat and discount us all as nothings. Thank you, that shows your great community spirit... I guess you didn't get what Bette meant by FF snobs.. I'll look at it as a "knee jerk" reaction since I normally like you and your posts.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Look, I see where people are coming from here, but if "community" is gonna be every fifth word, maybe we should work harder not to tear ourselves apart just because some business issues happen. Being worried about the possible changes is understandable. I don't feel "betrayed", I am just worried. But playing clique games is a bad idea, creating "us vs. them" mentality is a bad idea, and...
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- Neal Jansons
Rasmus, you're not getting the actual sentiment here. The Scoble tag-a-longs are people who followed Scoble from Twitter to FriendFeed and then ended up contributing nothing to the community here other than dumping their Twitter streams and occasionally replying to Scoble's posts. Robert's unique in that he can encourage 20,000 people to join a service but just because they tagged along...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
Neal, I don't see where I've played clique games. As I pointed out above, just go to ffholic.com and look at the 20 most active users. THOSE people are the driving forces behind FriendFeed community. Do you see my name in that list? Nope. I'm not sure what you think my motive is to promote an us vs. them mentality when I am neither part of the 'us' nor part of the 'them'.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thnx, Jason, I try. I just think that it is a self-fulfilling prophecy to say "OMG FB bought FF, it's gonna destroy the community!" and then go around doing everything we can to polarize ourselves. Save the polarity and extreme positions for blog posts. We need to keep our behavior up to the standard that has made this such an awesome place to be, and if the conditions become untenable,...
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- Neal Jansons
Oh, Akiva, I am not pointing the finger at you at all! The tone is the issue here...upset is turning into angry too much. I am not saying you made a cliquey statement, but people went there. You made a statement about content and value, no us and them. The us and them crap seems to just happen. What I am urging ALL of us (including me) is to be careful and live up to the standards that have made FF great, even if FF goes bye-bye.
- Neal Jansons
Akiva - I am a Scoble "tag-along" as you derisively labelled me/us, so I too resent your holier than thou tone and attitude
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, you need to read through the comments.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Brian...are you here responding and posting? Then you are not who was being referred to. The tag-alongs are those who just go to add numbers and then don't interact at all. The very fact that you saw the comment excludes you from who the comment is about.
- Neal Jansons
Neal, ah, got you. With how tense things are around here right now, it's terribly easy to read the negative into everything.
- Akiva Moskovitz
And for the record, I don't buy into FFholic too much. Follower count is just not a good metric for judging a community. A lot of people I consider "core group" here are not in the top 20.
- Neal Jansons
Neal, true, which is why I referred specifically to the top 20 most active users and not the most popular.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Now thats one post on FF which I've really really really liked...
- Rohit
Akiva...I know, that is exactly why I am urging all of us to be careful. I am trying to willfully ignore things that seem provocative.
- Neal Jansons
Funny, i woulda thought that "core groups" (and there appear to be several claiming the mantle) kinda sorta goes completely against the type of shared community ethos I thought this place was all about.
- Thom Kennon
Thom...core groups are a natural sociological phenomena. They are unavoidable, due to loci of interaction and convergent socialization. I participate in no ethos that pretends like some hippie ideal is going to subvert basic rules of interaction. In any case where there is a community of sufficient size, those who participate more become the core group. Only way not to have one is to have no community or no participation.
- Neal Jansons
I would like to add that just by participating, you're already 'in' on FriendFeed.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I would agree w/ Thom. This week I am more active then Akiva, but I think we are equal as we both are active even though we are in different circles. Now does this make me part of a "core" anything- who knows. Akiva is right, it is the active users that make this happen.
- Joe
Deakins, contributing is one thing; caring about how many people see your contribution is another.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Neal - yes, totally get the sociological phenomena. I'm talking about how people elevate themselves in comparative self-worth by striving to exclude others not in their "core group". As natural as it may be, it is uncool when waved as a flag in defense of being wronged. You see - it's ironic in this case as some of the core group people are kvetching they got left out in the deal. There is, alas, always a more core core group.
- Thom Kennon
Well it goes both ways. They saw a need for such a site, they created it. We liked it as it suited our tastes. They deserve the credit because they made it, early adopters like you encouraged them keep going. Why say stuff like, "Technology without users is dead"??
- | Balu |
Kibbutz privatization is a trending topic.
- Eric Logan
Okay Moskovitz, you do know the correct way to this. Good day.
- Joe
That was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, Deakins. I just have other things to do right now. I'll return to this thread later.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ahh, I see what you are saying, Thom. I don't subscribe to that attitude...that isn't a core group as I mean it, that is a clique. I got familiarized with the notion of a "core group" in my activist days, where the sociological aspect was focused on making sure people who were NOT core group got their ideas included and didn't feel excluded. It's a organizational psych. issue...not...
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- Neal Jansons
Look Akiva if you don't have enough courtesy to use my first name then I guess new folks like me are not entitled to respect from FF users like yourself.
- Joe
WTF, Deakins? This isn't because anyone thinks they are better than you, he is just responding to usernames, most likely because he is using a client, not the web interface (just like me). All I see is usernames. You are willfully choosing to take offense. Can you keep your narcissistic injury under control? If not, maybe you aren't in the best place emotionally to have a civil discussion and should withdraw.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
If you want people to call you by your first name, include it in your username so people using clients will see it.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
@Akiva Moskovitz I never said users are not necessary. I said, "early adopters like you encouraged them to keep going" Yes you had a role so did many others, who build friendfeed into what it is today. What makes friendfeed special is the underlying code. That's what made you, me and many others stay. The groups, the search, the real-time thingy.. People, the users, make something good, perfect.
- | Balu |
Neal: He already knows my first name and if you look in the comments above you will see that I mentioned it again. So thanks for your tip. :) You have a great day Neal.
- Joe
I don't happen to think it is the underlying code that makes it special. It would be just as special to me if it were the same conversations with the same people on phpbb forum.
- April Russo (app103)
April, on phpbb you wouldn't find the interesting people through all the noise. The precise workings of Like/Hide on FF are important.
- Bruce Lewis
I don't know about that. Well, maybe not phpbb. More like SMF. At least there is a "permanently ignore" mod available that works well as a "hide"" and then there is ones for "ignore user" and ratings, and all kinds of other stuff. And I wouldn't miss anything at all with the unread items page, something Friendfeed lacks. And a slight modification to one of my apps would give me ability to search right from my taskbar.
- April Russo (app103)
"India has been raising with China the issue of Pakistan's "illegal" cession of part of territory occupied in Kashmir under China-Pakistan "Boundary Agreement", Lok Sabha was told on Wednesday. "Government's position is that this so-called 'Boundary Agreement' (between China and Pakistan) is illegal and invalid. This has been reiterated to the Chinese side in the on-going discussions on the Boundary Question," Minister of State for External Affairs Preneet Kaur said while replying to a question."
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
from Bookmarklet
A calm and considered response shows a mature acceptance of the issue. Where others get all excited, Twitter says calm down it's not that big a deal.
- Gilbert Harding
from BuddyFeed
I wonder what Arrington means in his latest tweet about keeping other sites from publishing the emails? He was defending his right to post them a few hours ago
- Mark
Probably, I think the people @ Twitter are working real hard on getting rid of all the spam, that's why we are seeing a decrease in the number of followers/removed tweets from Twitter Search
- Ahmed
it's an arbitrary removal from search based upon subjective criteria which may or may not be true.
- Karoli
Haven't seen this yet. Though I would be interesting. Currently working on a Drupal site that filters local tweets since we've been invaded by Gurus and Social Marketing twits.
- Dean Clark
the one common thread I've been able to find in the ones I know of is that they all tweeted with regard to the #iranelection with that tag.
- Karoli
I've searched for tweets which I specifically remember based on memorable keywords, only to find them missing from Twitter search. It's been happening for months.
- Jackie Danicki
Yap ,,, mine as well are not in the search...you can find them in FF but not there
- Johni Fisher
Ya, I only have 3.25 pages showing up yet I have 300+ tweets.... It could also be blamed on a "hardware issue" or a "process saver".
- Adam
Most of my twitpic tweets are missing. Not that I think it's necessarily a big deal, but it is a little odd.
- malackey
Jackie, some people's entire streams are removed. If you do a from: search on them you will get no result
- Karoli
Also, many of the people removed from search entirely are engaged, legit long-term Twitterzens.
- Karoli
Robert, this has been going on for months. I had to write a post that has fixed dozens of accounts in the past week alone. Tweet >> Have *YOU* been "FILTERED OUT" of Twitter's Search feature? Many have been. Get the test & FIX here: http://bit.ly/ShoqTips
- Shoq
I'm still bummed Summize doesn't index every tweet >:[ Twitter is setting itself too much stock that new tweets are more relevant than older ones...
- CannonGod
There are several manifestations. Even though my account is fixed, many tweets simply vanish into an index wormhole. They can be found in my updates, but NOT by search.
- Shoq
and then there is the problem of having accounts restored, only to discover that any tweets prior to restoration are never, ever available in search again.
- Karoli
i guess @ev is banned. do from:ev, you get nothing. now do http://bit.ly/RvKNZ & you'll see his tweets. i suspect from:TWITTERNAME does indicated a filter in many cases but not necessarily in them all. Twitter search has been losing posts for months, especially if you do advanced searches http://bit.ly/Imtq1 but stuff from @shoq @karoli is really helpful -- hopefully Twitter will get their act together more & make things clearer
- dannysullivan
Its not just loosing ,they have some words that you cant find at all or cant find after a date ,,,this problem is from the first days of June
- Johni Fisher
thanks, danny. don't know about @ev, but if you look at @delbius' stream, you'll see how many replies are terse "you may have posted a malware link", or something similar. No pointer, no warning, no nothing to tell you why you're removed. But she makes it clear that people *were* removed.
- Karoli
I am not a spamer and never posted a malware link, but they took out our company name from the search ,,,,,simple as that ,if they are happy I am happy for them too
- Johni Fisher
I do see where ev's account was hacked. perhaps he decided to keep it offline and out of search.
- Karoli
Yes - i blogged about it and then followed twitter folks around until they released me from twitter purgatory - someone tweeted about this earlier - I will have to dig it up. It takes time, dedication, and persistence to get back into the steam...
- bev
When I post in reply within trends, I cannot see my tweets within the stream. I contacted Twitter and they said they knew it was an ongoing issue and instead of correct it... closed my ticket.
- Nile Flores
Earlier, all results for the search "textPlus" - GOGII's iPhone app were missing, but now they're back.
- drew olanoff
Mine don't show up on the search at all. They used to, but now they don't. I haven't changed anything so I'm not sure why.
- Summer
I was filtered for some time -- don't know the start because I didn't know to look.Restored for 4 hours then filtered again for about 20 hours, now back to full feed. I have no idea why I was filtered. I did use tweetlater.com to announce a friend's non-profit petiiton (about 12 tweets over 48 hours, not much variation). All my tweets from before filtering are gone from search. Not a big issue for me as I don't rely on, but could be very hard for a tweeple for business.
- Liz
Every time you post "FriendFeed" a sparrow dies.
- Alan Chamberlain
Mine are and I contacted Crystal. It's not personal. It's a known issue.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
@salspizza This discovery by @scobleizer affects you, even though you don't sell pizza.
- Bernie Goldbach
mark it's not personal but it is intentional in many cases. this comes straight from delbius. people's accounts are suspended for amorphous rule breaking that they're completely unaware of.
- Karoli
from BuddyFeed
I usually notice the opposite, that deleting a tweet has little value because it still appears in the search DB
- Keith Barrett
I hate Twitter's unpolicy on pretty much everything.
- Jason Nunnelley