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Apathy is the conversation killer everywhere. People only participate in what they feel passionate about: funny, mad...
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Agreed. Apathy kills more than conversation too.
- Ian May
In a text based conversation, there's often no need for lots of people to participate. Someone will type what you wanted to say.
- Anika
But how do you know what you wanted to say wasn't the one original thing no one else thought of? Or that no one else typed?
- Justin Long
Well, if no one said it, then go ahead and say it. I think issue is with more lazy/busy people who don't or won't read a thread to see if something's been said. Then you wind up with a a lot of similar remarks. It's clear no one reads the thread, so why bother? Oops, that's apathy. ;)
- Anika
plotting to kill my roommate and steal his Palm Pre, mwahaha
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Don't do it! It's not worth it!
- Louis Gray
:P
- David Cook
waiting for him to go to sleep...
- Jess Lee
If I get subpoena'ed, I'm giving you up in a heartbeat. And then I'm gonna sell the book and TV movie rights. ... and then I'll use the money to buy a smartphone.
- Andrew C
Just don't let Arrington know that you got it for free.... ;-P
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Jeff: Huh? Why not?
- Jess Lee
Jeff meant this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... but I think that stealing is OK. It's just getting for free from Palm that is suspect.
- Michal Cierniak
I guess I missed all the furor over that. Also, I fell asleep too early and wasn't able to swipe the Pre. There's still tonight though.
- Jess Lee
There's always going to be tonight. For your roommate's sake I hope the new iPhone and Android devices hit stores soon!
- Daniel Dulitz
LOL. Being that roommate, I'm quite afraid.
- Chieze Okoye
We'll totally side with you unless Jess makes a better offer. Let's start the bidding at $1 and go from there.
- Andrew C
shit.
- Jess Lee
That is not an offer that beats $1. Bidding goes to Chieze by default. Going once, going twice...
- Andrew C
Do it. Haha. I love the Pre. It is amazing.
- Nation Hahn
For the same reasons as Nation, I would like for you to not do it. Thanks.
- Chieze Okoye
also, I like life.
- Chieze Okoye
Give me your Pre if you want to live.
- Jess Lee
Unix is Dead, Long Live Unix - http://www.codinghorror.com/blog...
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I had no idea that Minix was still around. I thought it was purely used for academic purposes.
- Rob Diana
craigslist to Henry McMaster: An Apology Is In Order: http://www.cnewmark.com/2009...
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In Defense of Data-Driven Design | Design 2.0 - http://design2-0.com/article...
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When you’ve got the enormous traffic necessary to work out if miniscule changes have some minor, statistically significant effect, then sure, if you can do it quickly, why wouldn’t you? But that’s optimization that should happen at the very end of the design cycle. The cart goes after the horse. Put it the other way ‘round and you have a broken setup. It doesn’t mean horses suck. It doesn’t mean carts suck. Carts are not the enemy of horses. Optimization is not the enemy of design. Get them in the right order and you have something really useful. Get them the wrong way around and you have something broken.
- Nat Torkington
Shuttle launching in 10 minutes (2:01pm Eastern)! Watch it here: http://www.nasa.gov/multime...
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watching!
- Rachel Lea Fox
works better for me when I chose other viewing options and then quicktime.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Same here. Only I didn't notice the link. I viewed source and grabbed the URL and opened it in the Quicktime Player.
- Kevin Fox
I missed it :(
- Lyndsey McGrath
sorry lyndsey! :( they are still broadcasting the radio, just footage on the flight anymore.
- Rachel Lea Fox
neat!, just caught it 30 sec before... though it's weird cuz its so produced it looks like it could be any launch. I guess the webcast can be a little cold and objective.. but still neat!
- Roger Nang
They're showing replays now from different camera angles. Rocket porn!
- Kevin Fox
Thanks to your post and the Friendfeed Notifier, I watched it. Awesome launch!
- Olivier Tharan
Cool that they're doing work already, as of 6pm EDT. Me, I'd just now settle in and get around to asking when the cafe opens for dinner.
- Richard Chen
New Blog Post: 10 Suggestions For the FriendFeed Real-Time Beta http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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FriendFeed should support oembed when sharing links. Than you could share photos/videos/documents/etc.
- Pat Hawks
In your comments, someone suggested a "pause" keyboard shortcut. This is needed greatly. I don't even follow that many people... And it can be overwhelming.
- Amy H.
On the issue of direct messages, I really think it should be up to individual users whether or not they get DMs from people they're not following, rather than doing things the Twitter way, or opening it up as a free-for-all.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I agree with #1. I don't want people to DM me on Twitter because they go to my phone. I don't have that reservation on FriendFeed.
- Tamar Weinberg
point #2 is spot on. "What if I could set up a rule such that any friends who have not made a native FriendFeed comment in the last 60 days be moved out of my main feed and into a folder called "Archive" or "Ghosts" - been wanting that for a while - I use Twitter Karma to do that with Twitter - FriendFeed definitely needs its own version of that now
- Nathan Chase
I'm glad best of day made the cut in the end. I'd really like to see this page page forward. I'd also love to see a best of day, month, year button on search results in order to rank search results by interestingness in addition to recentness.
- Thomas Hawk
I would also like to get a "best of the day/month/year" for everyone. It could really replace Digg. Next: the Friendfeed bar (with "like" à la digg and chat room with real-time comments).
- Jérôme Flipo
I like ideas #2 & #7. If they came back after 60 days would they pop back into your main feed?
- Amani
Not only does this earn orionstarr a block but it earns him a very public one. - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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I do hope he gets professional help but this is simply inexcusable.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm sorry you had to deal with him not once, but twice. You're right, COMPLETELY inexcusable.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Absolutely inappropriate and I am very sorry this type of response hit your feed. You, Rochelle, Audrey and most especially your sister are in my thoughts during this most difficult time. I don't think professional help would suffice this idiot.
- Janet
That kid is mental and I've seen it come out in all sorts of shitty little ways.
- Christopher Harley
Someday orionstarr will realize what it means to lose a very close loved one .. everyday I wake up and want to visit Mom , but I cant . Its pretty tough stuff .
- johnpiercy
Kid? He's 30!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Yeah, Bec. Sad. I've blocked him now but before I did, I went back through his comments and I see he's intentionally left mean spirited remarks on several user's posts over the last day or two. Sounds like a breakdown. Perhaps I'd have more sympathy for him if I hadn't, in the past, seen him go ape-shit cuckoo on other threads.
- Christopher Harley
Don't know what it is with him. He has turned to very negative comments recently. This one compleatly takes things to a whole new low though.
- Simon Wicks
Wow :|
- Nicholas James
Sad really is the only word for it. I do hope he gets help, and soon.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Oh my God.
- Jim Hearts FF
Wow, just wow.
- Michelle Martinez
I saw that and thought it was incredibly strange. He has always been a bit over the top. Now, blocked. Sorry, Akiva. I've been spending much less time here because of crap like this.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
All he does lately is leave snide and negative comments but that was completely inexcusable. And he writes posts whining that no one wants to interact with him? I wonder why.
- Trish R
Damn, I was thinking he was joking on my other thread, but I'm guessing he was actually trying to be hurtful. Blocked.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
For some reason he hates FF and thanks that everyone here doesn't like him and that he thanks that we all think he isn't cool enough to be here. Thats what he told me when I taked to him about it on Facebook.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
6 or 7 hours ago, he said he was killing himself on his FB status, which i just saw on his FF as I blocked him.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Personally I think he as gone off the deep end since he lost his job. Yes I went a bit crazy when I lost my job and was unemployed for 90% of the year, but he is just losing all of it.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
He has actually removed that status from his facebook since.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
He's obviously troubled, and has been for a while. What he did was effed up, but if he thinks his problems are related to people on FF not liking him, or him not being cool enough to be here, he's deluded. I think he clearly has deep and untreated psychiatric issues and needs to get his mental illness under control. Akiva, I'm sorry you had to be subjected to that in times like these.
- Derrick
holy crap! this person needs help!
- Gary
Jay, as you can see in our responses to Akiva, 99.999% of FF is good and balanced people, so please don't dismiss the whole thing because of that one nutcase. I'm also very sorry that you got subjected to that, Akiva.
- Kamilah Gill
When I saw what he was posting after he lost his job I felt really bad for him. He's obviously in a very dark place right now but this comment is not excusable, in any way, shape or form. My girlfriend has been unemployed for 7 months because there's no one hiring for her career in our area right now, but you don't see her telling people off for no good reason. He needs some professional help indeed.
- David Cook
from fftogo
How awful!
- Stormy
So sorry to hear about your mother. What he wrote was inexcusably anti-social and cruel.
- Katy S
I commend your tolerance. I blocked him several weeks ago.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
The dude has been out of it for a month or so. Seriously think he stopped taking his meds for whatever he has. He needs help.
- Rodfather
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- Christian (Simply X)
Saw this early this mornig and was really hoping he would come to his senses and delete this comment. Sorry you were subjected to this.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I blocked him a week or two ago for starting a fight in some thread or other...but this is a whole 'nother level of wrong
- Louis Simoneau
he probably thinks he's being funny. I hope so, the alternatives are worse. It's not working.
- Chuq Von Rospach
No Chuq . . . he's done this kind of thing before. Goes on a rampage and goes totally nuts. I blocked him for a similar reason months ago.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Yup I had to block him based on some other really uncessary and horrible comments on other threads. Sad.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
*sigh* the public block was the right recourse. On a meta note, @Christian (SimplyX) I was perplexed by the implied sentiment of "golfclap". I'm hoping urban dictionary def. 2 is the intended meaning: "Originally, "golf clap" was used to mean a sarcastic applause, for example the kind of applause that is given when someone drops their food tray in a cafeteria. However, it is increasingly being used to mean a sincere show of appreciation, especially on FARK.COM." That's what I'll assume.
- Micah Wittman
Guaranteed to be trolls/griefers on public forums like this. What's surprising is that he's linked back to his Facebook, which allows him to be found pretty easily. Just block and ignore, people like him get off on the attention their abrasive behavior gets them. Remove the "attention" factor and the thrill's gone
- LANjackal
Douche nozzle.
- cecily
Joseph seems to be severely depressed (he made a reference to suicide on Facebook last night). He needs support and I hope he reaches out for it.
- Sprague D
That dude is severely disturbed. I blocked him months ago after i saw him flip-out on some people, even a few who were just trying to offer some helpful advice. The guy needs professional help. I personally think he's a very dangerous person, probably on the verge of hurting people in real life or himself. =(
- ·[▪_▪]·
blech, no need to deal with that jackass.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Way to go. Just Blocked him myself.
- Roberto Bonini
I remember some other problem he caused on here a couple of months ago. I almost unsubbed him then, but I thought I'd give him another chance. Now I'll be blocking him.
- Aaron Hood
from BuddyFeed
Ya blocking too--not worth my time IMO
- Kelly W.
Sociopaths be gone
- David HC Soul
Woah! What's his deal!? - that terrible! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't even remember why, but I know I banned him in my first hour on FF. Glad he lost his job.
- Matthew DeVries
Simply disgusting. He needs to be removed and banned all together by friendfeed.
- Russ Jackson
So sorry that you're dealing with this as well as the loss of your mom, Akiva. :-( I blocked him a month ago, after giving him a second chance the month before that. Oh, well. Anyone who trolls for attention via the Nobody-Comments-On-My-Posts route earns an immediate block heretofore. Just sayin'.
- Lisa L. Seifert
that bastard is persona non grata as of last night....fuck that noise....do not pass go...DO NOT collect $200
- Live4Emma (L4S)
What the hell?! Blocked him too, that's a horrible thing to say
- Mo Kargas
damnit!
- Alp
That's crossing a line and then burning the line while pissing on it. Completely and inexcusably rude.
- Alex Scoble
Does anyone know this guy personally? If so, please drag him to therapy - stat.
- Mona Nomura
It was the wrong thing to post, and blocking is definitely appropriate. I've noticed his posts and tweets getting pretty anti-social lately (if an online forum is truly social) and i just wonder if he's going through a rough patch in RL. at any rate, sometimes it's best to just say nothing. and to you, @Akiva, I haven't been on as frequently: definitely, condolences and prayers.
- .LAG liked that
yea, what he said was wrong, just ignore him if he bothers you, he obviously is going through some things and doesnt know how to handle it/keep attitude to himself, I wont block him, people have a right to their opinion, honestly if hitler was alive and on friendfeed I would follow him because it would be damn interesting
- Kyle Weller
Some people are just negative, if you can understand why people do what they do you wont hate them as much. I'm sure he didnt mean exactly what you think he did by posting that, he is human and imperfect. Maybe we can stop ignoring things like this in society and start working on helping people help themselves.
- Kyle Weller
Whenever someone said something fucked up to me, It was a learning experience, if you take things personal over the internet you got more problems then him.
- Kyle Weller
Blocking is very appropriate! It's not "hating" or taking "things personal over the internet". Blocking just means there's obviously no reason to read what this person has to say, if he's going to respond like that. Anything else he has to say is irrelevant. It's not like you're killing him over it. Kudos to you for setting that boundary.
- Head Ov Metal
I was about to reply to Kyle's responses but then it appears that Head Ov Metal went ahead and gave the answer that I would've given anyway.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That's sick. They need serious help, though.
- Ernie Oporto
from Nambu
Were the passage in Ecclesiastes long enough, I'm pretty sure their there'd be "A time to help and a time to shun".
- Matthew DeVries
This orionstar guy is the whiniest guy on FF. "Why don't people give me any attention, WAAAH!". What a jerk -- he has now earned a block from me too.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Meat Fail - http://failblog.org/2009...
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Oh dear sweet babby jeebus.....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
- Helen Sventitsky
hahahahahaha
- Jenny Morman
Come on, all you people laughing! When was the last time YOU saw animals at the supermarket waiting to be slaughtered? You've been swallowing that veggie propaganda that all meat comes from animals! Next time you're going to try to tell me that there aren't little animals scurrying around in my computer to make it work! ;-)
- Scott of Two Countries
PETA Vice President?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Magic Meat.
- Anika
+1 Anika
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
LOL
- Alfredo
ahahaha
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Well, technically, Spam really isn't meat ... :D
- Steven Perez
I honestly think it would be better to kill your own food/meat because thousands of cows mean is mixed together, some of the meat is less fresh than others, id always prefer fresh meat because a big percentage of all the slaughtered animals is put to waste, at least if I hunt I can make sure I dont put it to waste and know its fresh
- Kyle Weller
Almost as bad as that tv show one eugh
- Mo Kargas
"Meat that was made." I know it's not true, but I really like the backronym "synthetically produced animal meat"
- Victor Ganata
almost choked on my rotini. if this is really real. omfg
- Kamilah Gill
+1 for the SPAM Victor
- Mattb4rd
'Battlestar Galactica' finale is satisfying -- so say we all - Los Angeles Times - http://www.latimes.com/enterta...
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"Tonight, praise the gods, we have our answer. All this has happened before, and it will happen again, but it's hard to imagine a more visually and thematically satisfying finale."
- Richard Lawler
from Bookmarklet
"The writers' dedication never falters, and "Battlestar Galactica's" finale is everything a fan, of the show and of television, could hope for. It's difficult to write about without giving anything away, so suffice it to say that tissues (or shots) would not be inappropriate accouterment. Starbuck (Katee Sackhoff) and Lee Adama (Jamie Bamber) never looked so tragically good together...
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- RAPatton
"But more than anything, "Battlestar Galactica," like the most enduring myths, has been a lesson in great storytelling. Grand finales, as we all know, are a dangerous business; flouting convention may be crucial to a show's success, but it turns out to be a matter of discipline. Every writer wants his or her show to go out with a bang; the trick is to have it not destroy everything in the room."
- RAPatton
well, it was.
- Richard Lawler
I liked it, but it wasn't perfect
- RAPatton
I thought it was satisfying. Some frustrating parts, but that's to be expected in a finale.
- Mark Trapp
Good show! I enjoyed the finale.
- Bill Sodeman
So Say We All!
- Kevin D. White
My initial impression: Outstanding. Maybe not THE best series finale ever but definitely very near the top of the list. Really one hell of a wrap to a fine show. Everyone plays their part to the hilt and everyone goes out in style. I don't think I could have asked for more.
- Kevin D. White
The [previously] Untold Story of the World's Biggest Diamond Heist http://www.wired.com/politic...
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Apple rejects Twitter app because there's swearing on the Internet | Software | iPhone Central | Macworld - http://www.macworld.com/article...
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A Photo Editor - JPG Magazine Profit And Loss - http://www.aphotoeditor.com/2009...
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"They are claiming that in part, the demise of the magazine was contributed to by CEO Mitch Fox and his $500,000 a year salary, the expensive salespeople he hired, launching a travel title called everywhere and preparing a fashion magazine. If that’s true, it’s simply run of the mill magazine making hubris where people assume something that works at one level can be scaled to the next. Maybe this is also the end of an era where a powerful sales staff with serious marketing dollars can bring in more advertising than great content and loyal readers on its own. Back to the income statement. In May 08 here are the numbers:"
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
seems like JPG Magazine was losing an awful lot of money per month.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm just glad to see that they are getting in influx of money. I hope they get everything back on track. Oh, and get a more reasonably priced CEO. http://www.mediapost.com/publica...
- ChiliMac
Houston Zoo To Unveil OH DEAR GOD THAT IS CUTE - http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairbal...
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"On March 28, the Houston Zoo will unveil its new star attraction: a rare red panda named Toby."
- Rochelle
from Bookmarklet
Rochelle, how are you feeling?
- Yolanda
Getting better! Pain meds are helping.
- Rochelle
I'm going to have to go by and visit this new addition.
- Trish R
It's a firefox and it's ADORABLE! Must... resist... hugging... monitor...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Chris, it's a PANDA.
- Rochelle
Red panda = firefox. Lemme find my citation on this... There! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
But Chris, it's a PANDA.
- Rochelle
TOBY!!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
That doesn't mean it's not a firefox. http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki... (make sure you have CJK fonts for this)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
But Chris, it's a PANDA.
- Rochelle
I'm not denying its panda-ness, I'm merely stating that it's also known as a firefox! It's far from the first species of animal to have more than one name in a given language.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
But Chris, it's a PANDA.
- Rochelle
It's a red panda, which really aren't pandas at all *ducks*
- Michael W. May
It looks like it wants to adorably eat my face *hides*
- Joe Pierce
Michael, you're not helping.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Yo dawg, I put a fox in your panda so you can be confused while you're confused.
- Alix Whitmire
Alix: ... /thread
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I need one of those to cuddle with at night!
- Sparky, a big deal
I wouldn't consider that red. Seems more rust-colored, if you ask me.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Thankfully I think it's just coloration rather than an actual rust issue.
- Sparky, a big deal
It's always a great outing, seeing this picture makes me want to go. I haven't been in a few years.
- Trish R
I think this might make some OD on the cuteness: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Richard Lawler
Firefox!
- Matt Cutts
I want it!!
- *Tiffany Diamond*
@Matt that is totally a Firefox.
- EricaJoy
Matt wins this thread!!! but I want the cute little critter!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Susan, I think Chris did way earlier.
- Rochelle
Awww... so cute!!!
- BeeLing
Twitter is for Following Topics and Listening, Not for Following People - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Totally disagree. Don't make the mistake of saying "Twitter is for..." based on your own narrow use of it. That's how YOU use Twitter - and, to my mind, it's as dumb as using Google Trends to talk about "what's going on on the web". I follow less than 300 people, the vast majority of which I've met face-to-face at least once. I don't auto-follow. The Twitters I get tend to be funny,...
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- Ian Betteridge
http://www.kyte.tv/ch... has a video that shows how I read tweets and use friendfeed too. It is close to what Louis says in his blog post.
- Robert Scoble
Ian, I expect disagreement. I am explaining my viewpoint. It is a platform, and it has some strong characteristics and some weak. But notice how you're answering me here, where there is room for discussion. I'm not picking a fight but suggesting why I can see both views from Loic and Robert.
- Louis Gray
I'm answering you here, Louis, because I don't follow you on Twitter - and Friendfeed, at its heart, is discussion medium. Twitter never has been, and was never intended to be - hence its small character limits, lack of threading, and so on. I think both you and Robert are guilty of having in the past hyped up Twitter to be something it was never built to be - hence your ultimate (to my mind) disappointing use of it.
- Ian Betteridge
Ian, depending on the day, I get called a Twitter hater or fanboy. That's all part of being visible. In terms of hyping Twitter, I think I am fairly low on that scale. Most would instead suggest I hype FriendFeed, but I tend to promote services I think bring value - and there is a long list.
- Louis Gray
Ian - I agree. I follow 64 people on Twitter.
- Larry Hudson
Larry, so help me with the following issue. Loic is getting pilloried for reducing the people he follows and having a big disparity between those he follows and those that follow him. Is he snobby for doing that, or do people have artificial expectations on him? I've found it's best to just get connected wherever people want - be it Twitter, FriendFeed, Facebook or LinkedIn.
- Louis Gray
Interesting perspective, but not the way I use Twitter. It's pretty cool that there are so many different ways it CAN be used, though.
- Jill Walker Rettberg
And Jill, also interesting, as your feed is private on FriendFeed, we may never know if you are the person I would like to engage with. I am thinking you may be, but there's no clue. Why do you prefer a locked feed?
- Louis Gray
I absolutely agree, but the question is: Twitter doesn't allow you to follow topics, it's a semantic web feature. This is why such things as hashtags and twitter search allow you to pull our an RSS feed. Should this be a feature for Twitter? So you can directly follow a word or using something like word sense disambiguation follow a subject.
- Daniel W. Crompton
Ah - most of my feeds are open (@jilltxt, http://jilltxt.net) but I'm still finding my footing with FriendFeed. I like for ME that I can see all my various "selves" online together, but I'm not sure I want them all connected for everyone else. I like being able to have one space to talk about professional/web geek stuff and other spaces to share photos of my baby or discuss parenting a preteen and so on...
- Jill Walker Rettberg
Sounds good, Jill. Again - each person uses the services differently. My post suggests what I've found. And when I'm logged into the work account I do read as many tweets as I can and follow a smaller (200 or so) amount.
- Louis Gray
OK, I made it public. I suppose I'm not really experiencing FriendFeed so long as I keep it locked, eh? Can I ask you though: you seem to follow even more people on FriendFeed than on Twitter. Isn't that almost as impossible to track in any meaningful way? Or do you just use the best of day etc to skim stuff other people like?
- Jill Walker Rettberg
I have several social nets where I have 10 - 50 contacts that are slowly discovering twitter. It is interesting to watch the interaction between my contacts as they meet each other, and form a larger social net away from their walled sites. Many reject twitter, it can be overwhelming. Each to their own, but I think Twitter's search has the greatest potential and it requires no 'follow'. Lurking, searching, what's the difference?
- Wallace
Louis, to answer your question about why Loic's getting pilloried: I think that's partly the (unfair?) expectation when you're a high-profile figure that a a follow means a follow back. But the problem is that, unless you're constantly reading Twitter, more than a few hundred followers is impossible to coherently follow. At that point, it's *only* useful in the way you describe - but the answer to that is to follow less people.
- Ian Betteridge
Just to be clear, though: there's no "one true way" to use Twitter. What I was objecting to about your post isn't your use-case, but the way you phrased it: "Twitter is for...", not "I use Twitter for...". Your headline sounds like an edict, not a suggestion. But hey - that will get more traffic ;)
- Ian Betteridge
Ian: or the other choice is to follow everyone on Twitter, and use search to find people you want to listen to and use friendfeed lists to follow JUST those people you want to listen to. There's a variety of ways to handle this problem other than the way Loic decided to handle it. I get a lot of value out of having a lot of geeks and early adopters aimed at my TweetDeck.
- Robert Scoble
But Robert, in doing that you're really creating a false expectation in people who follow you. You're following them - which is a positive action which creates the expectation that someone is listening. If you subvert that by not *actually* bothering to follow what they say, using tools to "find people you want to listen to", what's the point in following them? Loic is just being honest about the fact that he can't actually follow everyone who follows him.
- Ian Betteridge
And it's interesting you bring up FriendFeed. I follow lots of people on FF who I don't follow on Twitter, for exactly the reasons you like FF: it's *really* conversational, it lets you manage more groups, etc. But it's not "Twitter vs FF" - it's "use Twitter for what works on Twitter, use FF for what works on FF"
- Ian Betteridge
And FURTHERMORE... Go to bed! Its 2am where you are, mate! :)
- Ian Betteridge
It's just how one uses it, my use of Twitter varies over time, i use it for marketing, listening to others, enjoying what others have to say or share.. From my point I don't think you can ever limit Twitter's scope, or Friend Feed as well
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
i can t totally agree with that. There people/brands i really want to track in any single update they publish.
- Ouriel Ohayon
Whats wrong with people?
- Ben Watson
from twhirl
Of course there will be lots of opinions here. I agree on some of your topics since from your point of view everything makes sense. Not everyone here is to find useful info as I said on Rob Diana's site the other day. There are a lot of people just having fun with friends and that is cool too. 140 is too small for that, true. Not reading all tweets, true. FB and FF better to express ideas and communicate, true. But following a person you care is possible. And topics are created by real people.
- Carlos Lorenzo
As people can use LinkedIn to find a partner(!), they can use twitter for following others! But we suggest them to use suitable tools for their jobs
- farzaam
To be honest, I'm like bored with Twitter. I don't see any valuable content there except for personal and ironic messages of - let me figure it out - 10 to 20 contacts. Chats were popular when I was in junior high though. I prefer to manage data stream myself, that's it. +++ But I still like FriendFeed - mostly for Louis's and Robert's open discussions.
- Alan Kodzasov
There is a similar discussion going on with how should politicians use Twitter. Sen Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) was interviewed yesterday about it and she said she could not possibly follow all the people that are following her. But I think if her staff used the proper tools, they could easily listen to Twitter, and not just use it to broadcast. How do you think politicians could/should use Twitter? My full thoughts on it: http://bit.ly/fPCcU
- Wallace Wilson
Right now I don't know anymore what Twitter is becoming. Too much info mixed with too much spam. Either someone figures a way to get it organized (by topics, for instance, or by tweet-popularity) or it's gonna die of success. Maybe the key is to drop the "Follow" option: sometimes you follow a guy that makes one good tweet and after that he becomes dull, and sometimes you miss the good stuff just because you didn't follow. How do I know where the best tweets for me are?
- Jordi Soler
The thing that has me puzzled is I don't really see Twitter as a company moving in a direction that makes me think they'll be the ones to get it under control. It seems that tools like Tweetdeck, MrTweet, and others that probably don't exist yet will be the ones to follow in the footsteps of Summize and get a handle on things. How they work that out challenges like Twitters API limits in place will be interesting to watch.
- Ken Sheppardson
I also deleted the 20,500 people I followed - but unlike Loic, I ALSO deleted the 23,500 people following me. I totally reset my Twitter account. Loic wanted all those followers - clearly this matters to him a great deal. Personally, I think we should all be free to use Twitter however, we want.
- Jim Connolly
Ummm ... I just follow people that are important in my life or whose thoughts I find interesting. Twitter works great for that.
- Crutis
Glad to hear others have the same issues with Twitter as I do. Although I don't share the same views as many on the usefullness of twitter (I use it more for listening to a live stream/broadcasting and for close work related team members), I just mentioned to @hlooman yesterday how people pushing the bounderies of applications generate unexpected and sometimes very creative outcomes that often change my view and use of an application.
- Phil Ashman
from twhirl
Louis - Loic builds Social Networking tools and services. The man follows everyone and one day decides "Oh, I'm changing my ways" then criticizes people who used to use his method. Not classy and i am not a fan of the man or his products.
- Mona Nomura
Louis: I think Loic has lost a lot of good will after unfollowing everyone - BUT keeping THEIR follows.
- Jim Connolly
Liking for Jim's comment - Loic's a good guy but I know a lot of people mad that he unfollowed them.
- Jesse Stay
I'm sure he is a 'good guy' -- don't know him personally, but his methods show no class.
- Mona Nomura
@Mona hear, hear!
- Jorge Escobar
No class? Le Meur wrote a blog post telling exactly what he was doing, and why. How does one make someone else unfollow? Block? Now that is rude. He was completely transparent and there is no merit in saying this move makes him less classy (or that one doesn't like a product his company builds).
- coldbrew
I have no interest in reading rants and namecalling - like what was displayed on Twitter last night. He builds a tool especially FOR Twitter. If he can't manage conversation flow that is a problem. His product should fix it. How am I supposed to have confidence in a product where the creator is complaining?
- Mona Nomura
welcome, coldbrew :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks, Stay :). Mona, I have no idea what ad hominem attacks were occurring on Twitter last night, but I don't see the connection in having confidence in a company's given product, and the class of its founder. Just don't see it. [EDIT: for clarity]
- coldbrew
To my understanding, Loic unfollowed people because conversation flow management became an issue. One of his well known products is Twhirl, a Twitter tool. If he can not resolve his own problem, how can a user have confidence that Twhirl will solve MY problems?
- Mona Nomura
Agree with that. Still unrelated to Le Meur having "no class", which is quite a serious statement (and uncalled for).
- coldbrew
coldbrew - he went on an insult rampage last night on Twitter. Grown men insulting others in public is NOT classy. At all. And to add, he is criticizing other people's methods -- something his product can or SHOULD solve. Which in turn, insults his own product. Is that class?
- Mona Nomura
Just looked through Le Meur's Twitter feed and I didn't see anything disrespectful. No ad hominem attacks, nothing to make me think Le Meur has no class. Calling it like he sees it. I think a bunch of people partaking in this discussion have allegiances and other conflicts of interest here.
- coldbrew
I'm with Mona. All of this lead me to lose faith in Twhirl so I uninstalled. I also don't appreciate being considered noise or a nuisance so I did people like Loic and Calacanis the favor of removing myself from all of their services. Maybe they'll eventually remember not to insult the people that make it possible for them to not have real jobs. </rant>
- Mike Lewis
Loic seems that he wants to stay 'in the news.' Mini dramas and controversies make it easy.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I've rebooted my Twitter approach. it was getting a little crazy to be broadcasting and only listening to the replies. Now that i've restarted my account i'm planning on keeping to < 1,000 people I'm following.
- Jason Calacanis
Rather than self-centric, there is a topic focused Twitter. See http://tv.tEarn.com, http://s.tEarn.com (sports channels), http://ce.tEarn.com (ce products), or http://sw.tEarn.com/.
- DJ Chang
All you guys who decided to follow tons of people and then get frustrated about the spam levels... I just don't get it. I am picky about who I follow (anyone not from my city, and not in my fields of interest is nixed EVEN if they follow me) and therefore I get more personal interactions out of twitter. If I want more that is what the public timeline and twitter search are for... in some ways are we learning that facebooks 5000 friend limit might be a smart thing ;)
- James Ostheimer
How someone else uses or does use Twitter is up to them, each to their own, its certainly nothing that's going to upset me. Maybe it makes sense for people who have thousands of followers to every once in a while to clear everything out and start again.
- Kim Landwehr
dont you all get sick of talking about the same thing? there's about three seperate conversations on the same topic running on FF now..
- Terry O'Fee
O'Fee, obviously not, and neither do you since you are tracking the conversation around FF.
- coldbrew
Landwehr, the debate is not about WHETHER one can use Twitter any way they want. It is about what it means to use Twitter in various ways.
- coldbrew
i hide the convos and more come! it's like a friggen plague!
- Terry O'Fee
You're a better man than I. I could only see so much before I had to chime in from my very unattached position.
- coldbrew
it's like people don't have anything interesting to talk about apart from the services themselves. how can this level of SM worship be healthy??
- Terry O'Fee
Terry: It's been like this for the 20+ years I've been on the internet. BBS folks talk about BBS software, Usenet folks talk about usenet software, web forum people talk about web forum software. The tech folks talk about tech stuff, and the "Social Media" people are going to talk about Social Media tools and services. If you don't want to hear those conversations, you need to go follow Lance Armstrong, TheRealShaq, and Britney Spears. Otherwise, you're out of luck.
- Ken Sheppardson
...oh, and my quick suggestion would be you unfollow Scoble and JesseStay. Since both those guys make their living building and talking about Social Media tools, guess what...
- Ken Sheppardson
here's an idea! talk about yourselves, people. what else do you all do?? whats some other interests you have??
- Terry O'Fee
I like to discuss ideas, not people. And, I don't think anyone is really trying to discuss themselves, just using themselves as an example.
- coldbrew
All this is quite interesting really and everyone manages their Twitter and FF how they see fit. I've got my Twitter working nicely after a year of constant pruning, adding etc to find & interact with scientists, Pharma, economists, real life friends & FFs. Not everyone is on FF, many aren't. I happened to be on Twitter when Loics outburst happened. It came across as emotional, not v classy & irritated with us as 'noise' so I unfollowed.
- Sally Church
That may be true, Church, and I appreciate that (I bet Le Meur does too). But, anyone that is been online long enough knows that it is difficult to communicate efficiently by text alone. So many senses are cut off (note the wide use of emoticons), it is easy to misjudge what someone says. Especially having never met them in-person.
- coldbrew
... of if they're, you know... French. [NTTAWWT]
- Ken Sheppardson
That too :) Cultural difference could magnify the issue for sure.
- coldbrew
As an Englishwoman I wasn't even going there on the French in case of accusations of continuing the 100 year war emerged :-). But the analogy of JP Rive and the French rugby team getting in a strop did cross my mind at time.
- Sally Church
Twitter is for whatever you want it to be. Your 140 characters, eh?
- Phil Boiarski
Lots of good comments here. I liked Robert Scoble]s video, on how he use Twitter and manage to auto-follow all these people. Loic might have unfollowed a lot of people, but each have their own choice right. Just because his a social media star doesn´t mean he HAS to use social media in any certain way.... However, as reciprocity, for me, is central to social media, I do disagree with the choice.
- Peter Efland
Five Criteria Why You Should Follow Someone on Twitter | LucaFiligheddu.com - http://www.lucafiligheddu.com/2009...
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Man Versus Nature: Otters Making Home Videos Of Passing Photojournalists In Monterey Bay - http://i.gizmodo.com/5158150...
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The animals will rise against us using our own gadgets.
- Mike
from Bookmarklet
Great first comment: That appears to be a hi-8 or digital-8 camcorder. We still have time until otter technology catches up.
- WiseYoda (aka Patrick)
If you've been following the plot of "micropayments, please" treat your mind to this note from Ted Nelson http://www.protocolostomy.com/2009...
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Interesting, mind-bending stuff.
- WorldofHiglet
User data ownership on Facebook and why it doesn’t matter - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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I'm glad to see Robert back to long-form, insightful blog posts, rather than getting distracted by twitter and friend feed.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
You do realise that they extend their license to stuff you link to right? They can subicence as steve points out to their hearts content and you lose the value of your own content. I agree with your blogs sarcastic point about serving facebook. I made a similar one myself.
- Anton Mannering
from twhirl
I took a different angle on this too. I'm less worried about the things I know, and more worried about what we do not know. In essence we transfer all control to Facebook, but they are not transparent about what they actually do with our data. We don't know if we are signing up for the next best thing or selling our soul to the devil. Mark is answering the wrong question and we fell for it again: http://bit.ly/19GmYF
- Alexander van Elsas
BTW here is an excellent writeup of Amanda French comparing TOSes of different sites like Facebook, Myspace, Flickr, Youtube. Moral of the story? The uproar is justified: http://bit.ly/tJJBK
- Alexander van Elsas
As a person who builds very consumer facing products and features I believe it DOES matter. With power (175 millions users) comes responsibility. FB has an obligation to transparency regardless of whether there service is free, and it's TOU is one piece of that transparency. If you claim one thing and do another, or you claim one thing and then claim another thing because your business is changing, that matters...
- Ryan
Who uses FB to publish original works? Promotion yea. But don't people who have something to protect get their ©, ®, ™ before putting it out there and then just link to it from the various mediums?
- Ryan Stanley
Just read Alexander van Elsas post. We should be discussing this on his FF feed. Great post and insightful analysis. Glad to see someone actually read and posted the TOU.
- Ryan
@Ryan, @Jason, thanks guys! You're welcome to discuss it on my FF feed, it's here: http://friendfeed.com/e... , but here is fine too ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Robert and Alexander, I have to agree with Robert. As I mentioned to you, Alexander, if you go to any institution implementing a GLS or CMS, you pretty much have to play by their rules and (having learned by painful experience) your data is not necessarily treated as if you are an esteemed author who could sue THEM for plagiarism. ;) That's as Robert says, reality. So I agree with his response.
- Melanie Reed
In the early days, I treated my portfolio as a catchall for everything. I went with the bait. But having learned who really has the most "rights" to it and then with their upgrade, having seen all my legacy RSS link and bookmarks destroyed I was forced into the realm of Robert's reality. Facebook, Flickr, etc are going to do what they are going to do. Now, I can adopt a strategy that serves my needs out of that....or not. I'm learning as I go.
- Melanie Reed
@melanie the most important issue is the lack of transparency. We are forced to give up everything while they do not. It is not an equal balance. Saying that that is just the way it is is accepting a bad practice that could easily be replaced by a good one.
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander I agree that lack of transparency is the important issue. Now whether I like it or not I have to try to understand the other party here. I can see (but not like) the effectiveness of the ad targeting FB uses. How pivotal is that to FB's revenue? Seriously, would any of us say 'yes' willingly to allowing ANY of our demographic information to be used by Ad customers?
- Melanie Reed
@Ryan, Your copyright is still valid and is not changed by Facebook's TOS. It you read their TOS carefully, you will find that by posting or sharing your content on FB, you are granting them an unlimited license to do whatever they want with your content. You still own the copyright, but it's value might be greatly lessened by allowing FB unimited usage rights.
- Jeff P. Henderson
What if I'm a unsigned and indie band that uses Facebook to promote our music in a group or fan page. Does the TOS give FB the right to "use, copy, publish, stream, store, retain, publicly perform or display, transmit, scan, reformat, modify, edit, frame, translate, excerpt, adapt, create derivative works and distribute" those works for commercial purpose?
- Matt Albiniak
@Alexander This brings up how business on the Internet is done. How do we want that done? How do we want businesses to conduct their research on target audiences? What should they know before hand in order to market to us? How do you want them to do that? I'm not fighting for their "rights" so much as I am asking that the methodology of what is acceptable marketing practice (that will be effective) is defined. BTW- I have a stake in this as our org has copyrighted material up on FB, too.
- Melanie Reed
@Matt, Based on my interpretation of the TOS, I would say probably yes.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@melanie my simple answer would be to choose a business model that monetizes user value. It would force you to do the right thing, always. Check out smugmug as a very positive example. They do not just have paying customers, they have paying fans!
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander If I understand you, that would indeed cause a problem that many are trying to avoid: disenfranchisement in the digital world. Not everyone is capable of paying. So as I understand it, thus the two-tiered system as Flickr does with their pro accounts and the free. So how do we address that?
- Melanie Reed
"Zuckerberg is saying: "We're not evil. Just trust us!" But this has been the mantra of nearly all companies that handle personal information. What company would say: "Yes, we intend to use your data maliciously and in ways you'll abhor"? There are many problems with Facebook's policy of 'trust us'" http://www.concurringopinions.com/archive... Solove, as always, gives an excellent analysis of the pitfalls.
- LogEx
@melanie, you do not have choose a model in which every user has to pay to receive value (although that is the cleanest model there is). freemium is definitely a great model too. Provide a service for free and extra's as a premium. Either way. A user centric model will ensure you give more value to the user than to anything else.
- Alexander van Elsas
@logical extremes, I recall banks and insurance comapnies saying the same things and look where that got us ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
@Alexander, exactly. Facebook should either drop the pretense, or adjust the TOU to describe exactly what they intend.
- LogEx
Matt, Melanie, etc...I'd definitely suggest you take 5 or 10 minutes, and go read the earlier mentioned comparison by Amanda French http://bit.ly/tJJBK . The differences between what MySpace, for example, asserts as a right over your data, and what Facebook does, are both real and relevant to any creative type. Amanda has ferreted out the relevant sections of the license terms for multiple sites, and compares and contrasts well.
- Ken Kennedy
Scoble's missed the boat, same as Chris Brogan. Facebook (and LinkedIn) has Terms that are NOT the same as everyone else's, and which, unlike MySpace, Flickr, YouTube, Picasa and Twitter, do NOT permit you to revoke their license to use your content. I dove into the legal issues here: http://is.gd/jJXy
- Maxwell Kennerly
Article on the new Facebook TOS changes and protecting yourself http://tinyurl.com/d4oeps
- Chris Miller
from twhirl
@Ken, thank you for replying and @Alexander, thank you as well! Ken, I did read Amanda's post. And, with respect to you and others, I still agree with both Robert and Matt. And in regard to MySpace, they are the ones who allowed access to everyone's private data to the search engine Spock. That's why I don't use MySpace or Spock among other reasons.
- Melanie Reed
the point is if you upload it to facebook and decide later you want it deleted, and it's not deleted then....well it's nice to want things. I don't think this justifies the uproar, only that people should (have already been) thinking twice about what they put on those sites. It may, and probably won't, ever really go away once it's out there.
- Richard Lawler
Really good side by side comparison here- http://amandafrench.net/2009...
- Ryan
@Melanie ... no worries! As long as you've got the data, you're more than entitled to make your own decision. If I were you, I'd keep stuff I want to monetize off of FB, though...you really have no control once you've uploaded it there. It's a walled garden that FB can cash in on as they will. (note: I expect this will get restated before too long...this is too big a grab even for FB, but as of now, that's how it works out).
- Ken Kennedy
@Ken, Interesting that you said that just now as there was a Facebook Ad, (company unknown as I didn't clickthru-that's one less cpv they'll have to pay for) that popped up on my right in Profile view that claimed "Monetize User Content" -"Grab content off your site from users and put it on T-shirts." roflol. This does provide some humorous aspect to me especially when you consider, I could get our ministry content out to a greater territory. ;)
- Melanie Reed
GOLDEN Rule: Don't put anything on any site/form/webpage that you may change your mind about. Once it's out there it will never disappear. imho
- walterh
@walterh, I hear what you're saying, and I definitely grok the spew of 'information wants to be free' (FTW!), but that's not really what's critical here. This is "boring" legal stuff...regardless of whether or not the data is available in some cache somewhere (which it is), this is FB asserting the right to use whatever you upload for it's own commercial purposes, forever. That's a whole different issue that "it never gets deleted anyway".
- Ken Kennedy
@ken I am not really trying to argue your points. I was trying to say that all forms like FB will at sometime try to sell your info when they reach a critical mass. A perfect example of this is the phone scam going on right now were people call you telling you that your car warranty will end soon. These people are calling me on my cell phone. I only give my cell to trusted contacts as it is the only real way to get a hold of me in real time. That so-called trusted contact or service has sold my info.
- walterh
@ken .....if you don't put personal info out on FB then when this happens you will not be regretting what you have done or posted.
- walterh
@walterh Just FYI, the car warranty thing isn't a sold data issue...it's just a "brute force" attack on phone #s (ie, they call them all). It's gotten so cheap to make phone calls, even LD, that much like email spam, the minuscule response rate they get pays for it. As for personal data on FB, again, I understand that, but it's not really what we're talking about. Consider a band that wants to share their music, but not intending to let FB monetize it if they get popular. They're out of luck.
- Ken Kennedy
So the expiry clause was in there when I signed up (i.e. if I leave they lose their rights over my content). If they have now changed the terms but I've not agreed to the new terms, then I'm not bound by them, right? Or did I miss a "we can change the terms whenever we feel like it and you're still bound to them" clause?
- Yan
@ken I understand your point. Let me ask you this. Has a case like this gone to court yet. PS the warranty people have never called me at home. Had that number for 20 years. Every other sale company calls me at home. I do see your point that it could be "brute force"
- walterh
The blog post has merit, the headline, not so much.
- jcunwired
I basically agree with Robert that this isn't shocking since Facebook hasn't respected user's much; however, I do think ascerting ownership to data already in the system crosses the line. This is similar to the Google Reader shared feed issue that Steve Gillmor railed on for a while.
- Robert W. Anderson
yeah, he reels em in with the hyperbole
- Josh Haley
hyperbole Josh? yeah that Bill of Rights crap is overrated. BTW Google fixed that problem.
- Steve Gillmor
Beyond the argument over who owns what and who's creating value for whom is a more interesting question, I think. Most people will not give a second thought to their rights to the intellectual property they create on Facebook. They just use it. They upload photos and videos and talk to each other. It strikes me that one thing Facebook is remarkably good at is capturing a user's...
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- David Erickson
hmmmm ... fascinating and important points being made here. However we are at the core talking about the morality and selflessness of corporations. The only way to own your own data completely is keep on your hard drive. Look at the terabytes of data Magnolia unfortunately lost last week. Their intentions were entirely altruistic, yet a technical malfunction intervened. We are in the midst of a radical shift and "ownership" is going to be defined by security, trust, and new elements ...
- Bankwatch
... that have yet to be defined. Do you trust Google? Do you trust your bank? Do you trust gmail Apps Premium? These are fundamental questions and the answer will define internet and our future. Market forces will take care of it, but getting there might be ugly.
- Bankwatch
It is a cheap and risk free business model for the service provider: The user generates all the content, is responsible for all legal consequences (even when the provider reuses the content in an unanticipated way), but the service provider may make all the profit out of it. whereever, forever. This business model was once called Web 2.0...
- Arnd Gronenberg
Great article. You mentioned 2 good points. First, put your stuff under public domain (or Creative Commons License), and that, if you use Facebook, you're the one who serve FB, not other way around.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
you're right. facebook should be used as a hub, flickr gives you CC options, it's not hard to set up a wordpress blog for the same, i think youtube are the last in the list. there's plenty of apps on facebook that will update your profile when you upload photos to flickr, or make a new blog post. they're not perfect but they're getting better.
- Terry O'Fee
They changed their mind: http://blog.facebook.com/
- Liron Eizenman
Most people wun care too much. But yes i agree it's creepy.
- Alekkus
Well, then there's the 25 Things you didn't know about in the Facebook TOS: http://bit.ly/25thingsTOS
- Steve Woodruff
To me it clear from Mark Z's post that the lawyers were tasked with drafting a revised TOU and blew it. ROLLBACK!
- Ryan
doesn't say much for their lawyers on the writing and the way the TOS was handled...
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
This is the new age of transparency. The big CEOs will have publicly available pictures of them from college. Professional images will become humanized. Social media has allowed us to share everything about our lives and so we did. I thought Mark made a great point in his first post regarding the issue when he explained that in order to give the community the services that they want, certain legalities are necessary and must be represented in the TOS. We just have to get used to the new age.
- David Spinks
@David, if Facebook, and Mark Zuckerberg too for that matter, are just as transparent as they force you to be then it would be fine. Until that moment it is pretty ridiculous that privacy only works one way. You must disclose everything and they take it all without providing the slightest clue what they actually do with it
- Alexander van Elsas
I wish someone would analyze TOS that bank credit cards, mortgages impose. The funny thing is that while Facebook is having to backtrack - it probably never would have screwed us over - but banks that increase rates from 3.9% to 39% over night - regularly do.
- Anshu Sharma
Good post, Robert. It's always been clear that Facebook has put their own interest in content assets first, but in fairness it's not so different that way than say...Friendfeed. One does pay a certain price for posting in Facebook, but to reach those who are more interested in relationships than in marketing their content, it's a good price oftentimes. I do think that over the next year that more publisher-friendly terms will come to Facebook, they've been lazy and now they'll have to catch up.
- John Blossom
The Facebook TOS Controversy - http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009...
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Singletasking - http://www.caterina.net/archive...
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This is a good plan -- I'm using Things task management to help a bit here, but a lot of my free form discussion puts me into the weeds. Setting email checking to half hour, hour, or longer is excellent.
- Boris Mann
Why Do We Love YouTube But Hate Eric Bauman? - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Forget Paper: Use Gmail Tasks on iPhone or Android - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Opinions Are Every Bit as Important - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/opinion...
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Why Perl 5.10 is Modern and Perl 5.8.9 is Legacy - http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt...
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interesting, especially if you're not tracking Perl development closely (I used to but don't anyomre)
- Jeremy Zawodny
I have not tracked perl dev in over 10 years so its interesting to read new developments.
- Jauder Ho
Where's 6??
- Justin Hart
Under construction.
- Jauder Ho
I think they are writing Duke Nukem in Perl 6!
- Sam Pullara
That's funny. And amazingly Ruby 1.9.x shipped first...
- Jauder Ho
Asian Teen Has Sweaty Middle-Aged-Man Fetish - The Onion - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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"Though she finds all pasty, middle-aged men intoxicating, Nakajima said balding Midwesterners who carry most of their weight in their stomach particularly turn her on. According to the sexually inquisitive teen, she often daydreams about sleeping with a 43-year-old divorcé with poor hygiene habits."
- Ana
from Bookmarklet
""I just hope they don't mind the fact that I'm completely shaven," Nakajima said. "Oh, who am I kidding? They'd probably never go for a naïve young sexual kitten like me.""
- Ana
WOW
- AJ Batac
Go Onion Go!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Gotta love The Onion.
- Brian Sullivan
"Plus, how can anyone resist those enormous, chafed thighs?"
- Brian Johns
And completely shaven? OH MY!
- AJ Batac
She's got no chance with Rush. He like Oxy and Hatian boys.
- Phil Boiarski
Girls shave? I mean, they normally don't grow beards and moustaches, right? -> wonders this 17 yo
- Yuvi
Yuvi, dude.... we need to talk...
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Hey I had those same posters on my wall growing up. +10 Mark V
- Steve C
I'm all ears
- Yuvi
LOL Mark and Yuvi
- Josh Haley
This totally made my day.
- Derrick
Yuvi remember when discussed Brazilian waxing -- think about it.
- Brian Sullivan
Ugh, again, that's a bit more info than I needed.
- Yuvi
i'm disturbed and delighted all at once.
- Felicia Yue
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