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FriendFeed poll: Should I shave the winter beard before the Crunchies tonight?
David Cook, Mathew™ one of a kind, Igor Poltavskiy and 35 other people liked this
coming in so nicely, almost would hate to ruin all my hard work
- MG Siegler
I vote no.
- Thomas Hawk
I vote American Chopper style handlebar mo...
- Johnny Worthington
the question is - will it get you laid? :)
- Steven Hodson
i knew i could count on you to get to the heart of the matter steven :)
- MG Siegler
Grow it. Don't mow it.
- Andrew Smith
Just do one side :)
- Patrick Jordan
that's an idea patrick, like two face.
- MG Siegler
Ooooo. Sexy! I love a man with a beard.
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No way man. Chicks dig beards. Ladies, am I right?
- Hutch Carpenter
Let the FFers decide - Yes, No, Or one side / half the face :)
- Patrick Jordan
FF doesn't have a poll function yet? How odd.
- Jay Cuthrell
just shape it up a little. thin the 'stache. :)
- Anthony Farrior
No.
- Alex Scoble
isn't it still winter?
- Mistletoe Glen
ugg SF really turned you into hippy!
- sean percival
Cut everything 'cept the stache!
- Brad Williamson
leave it. no sellout!!!
- Cee Bee
NO!! Keep it!
- Phoenix
sean, peace man.
- MG Siegler
yes.
- Jess Lee
ha, nice easy answer jess.
- MG Siegler
I'm going to agree with Jess
- Tyler (Chacha)
Obama might answer with, "do you want a beard?"
- Walter Korman
Facial hair goes by season?
- Morton Fox
Nay.
- Mona Nomura
Shave it
- Rodfather
you going to the crunchys? nice!
- Allen Stern
Could be a Chris Brogan thing - you'll look about 20 years younger.
- Hutch Carpenter
Absolutely not. A shaved male face is a thing of sadness.
- Sparky
@hutch if i look 20 years younger, that would be impressive and scary. I was a weird looking 7 year old.
- MG Siegler
a good idea jason, i'll rush the stage and do it. don't mind me bret and paul, just shaving up here.
- MG Siegler
yes.
- Helen Sventitsky
NO WAY!!!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
umm, no!
- timepilot
go mutton chops
- andrew
No, keep!! I think you look cute with a beard! I don't even like facial hair...
- Julianne
@marshall - ha! i smell bias!
- MG Siegler
Yes... You're in SF... no need for a winter beard... Maybe a summer one?
- David Wilbanks
@chris - yeah that was the idea behind it (i grow one every winter), but it's also just as much about being lazy and not wanting to shave
- MG Siegler
Keep it on, totally works for you.
- Anthony Ha
seeing as i'll probably sit next to anthony, his opinion matters
- MG Siegler
grow it like zz top!
- jyamasaki
if it helps, I'm keeping mine
- Chad Catacchio
No !
- Maryam Ardakani
this is so conan o'brien supporting the writers! i say shave it if you plan to kiss anyone.
- Trish Haley
Keep it. Declare war on Richard Stallman and don't shave until you are declared victor in the great beard wars of '09.
- Cindy Waters
keep it!
- Robert Felty
NOPE.
- Derrick
Keep it.
- Nine
why would you shave it? :-D
- David Lynch
Hmm! Yeah! Keep it!Women don't like a fully shaved face. :P
- rampantheart
heading to the gym, will make the final call upon return. #willitstayorwillitgo
- MG Siegler
Ya trim it at least. Accepting an award looking all sasquatch might scare the relatives. ;)
- Rodfather
@Spidra, May be I shouldn't have generalised! At least me and most of my friends don't! :) And yeah, it does look terrible on people at times! But I would prefer men with at least a lil stubble! ;)
- rampantheart
The answers to all "should I keep my beard?" questions always favor the beard. Do not taunt the Beardocracy.
- Mark Trapp
dude. beard it up. more beardbell!
- Aaron Baer
MG, if you're going to trim, trim to shape, not to shorten #HarryEllisFTW ;) http://bit.ly/UOBY
- Will DeLuca
it's cute but i think you're much cuter without it!! plus they're prickly. that's my girly opinion. :)
- Corie
i think it could be thinned out... maybe you could do a partial shave...
- edythe
don't hide your pretty face. shave!
- Jess Lee
my mother's family is norwegian...
- MG Siegler
Compromise. Go with a stylish Goatee :)
- Mark Krynsky
well folks the choice was easy. my beard trimmer is dead. fate makes me keep the beard!
- MG Siegler
Now, make sure you wear flannel with rolled up sleeves and go find some flapjacks.
- Jay Cuthrell
New iPhoto books
Cindy Waters, Matthäus Krzykowski and Susan Beebe liked this
ok... enough of that... we get the idea... on to #2
- Vinko
Nice!!
- Susan Beebe
Vinko: iPhoto is one of four apps in iLife. #2 ain't coming for a WHILE.
- Mark Trapp
yeah faces demo just ended, now places
- MG Siegler
@Mark that's right... let's hear more about the rest of the iLife suite. Better iTunes?
- Vinko
doesn't this iphoto seem a lot like fotonauts?
- Tim Elliott
Starting today $1,299 for most of the MacBook Pro features - all in the MacBook
Patrick Veverka, Robert Scoble, Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ and Cindy Waters liked this
an interesting way to look at it :)
- MG Siegler
$1,299 13.3 inch display, 2 GHz intel core 2 duo, 2GB RAM, 160 GB hard drive, 9400M
- MG Siegler
$1599 2.4GHz processor, backlit keyboard, bigger hard drive, and you can get the SSD
- MG Siegler
shipping today, in stores tomorrow
- MG Siegler
Good way to spin it. I just wish they'd come out with their version of a "netbook", perhaps a little more expensive than the typical $500 - $600 price. The MacBooks look like a great deal, though.
- Cheryl Jones
$25 - for unlimited web, $35 for unlimited messging and web
saraatje, Marcel Weiß, Cindy Waters and 4 other people liked this
$10 extra for unlimited texts? WTF? Why use text messaging when you have Twitter and email on your phone?
- Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry
"reports of my death are greatly exaggerated"
Eric Eldon, Atul Arora, Paul Buchheit and 5 other people liked this
on the screen!
- MG Siegler
huge applause
- MG Siegler
My angle
Cindy Waters, sirishkumar, Cheryl Jones and Bret Taylor liked this
How'd ya get tix anyway?>
- Stephen Foskett
Everybody Wants to be Internet Famous - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Joe Dawson, Seth Garrison, Beth Kanter and 49 other people liked this
ooooh, you put that very well. very well, indeed. but can one pass the baton *back*? i wrote about something related, but didn't think of trolls (because i haven't found any, i suppose). it makes me wish i knew things about anthropology in a formal, official sort of way.
- idnan
I would never want to be "famous". It would be nice to be known for contributing to a "society", but I wouldn't want to go out and be recognized by everyone. On that same token, I can only imagine some of the more internet-famous peoples im's and e-mail's and moderating a million comments, and so on.. no thank you :)
- Tim Hoeck
That's an interesting perspective of trolls and users...
- Czar
Edit: Cyndy - I think you're right on the money here. Trolls are simply taking the most extreme position possible to draw attention to themselves. Much like a person will do outrageous things in public to attract attention with little regard for anything other than blatant self-promotion or the spewing of today's vitriol. While it would be nice to have stature in a field based on a strong personal brand I would never want to be notorious for being an a-hole. (thanks for the heads up Louis)
- Morgan
This is a guest post by Cyndy: http://www.friendfeed.com/fourlit... She's a talented, sharp writer.
- Louis Gray
Internet famous is just the indie way of being normal famous. And while sure, that article gave trolls a voice (which sounds so-democratic doesn't it? What we can only give voices to the things we want to hear? That's how echo chambers are made), it hopefully opened some eyes to things that happen outside the Kool-aid factory. Very real things that just don't 'go away' if you ignore them.
- Eric Rice
I only want Internet fame if it comes with some kind of bonus. Say tax exemption? :)
- Todd Jordan
If it was an issue of 'reaction' then yes, they are guilty of that. They know exactly what buttons to push. Would be interesting to explore 'faux racism', which is knowing for a fact that throwing a slur at just the right angle will cause people to react... as if on cue. So it's not so black and white like 'oh don't feed the trolls.' That's just ignorant, and saying it aloud is almost worse, heh.
- Eric Rice
I have been guilty of unintentional trolling on occasion. I always feel ashamed after. I mean, I don't mind the living under the bridge thing, but the trip-trip-trap sound gives me a headache, and I don't even LIKE the taste of billy goats, be they gruff or otherwise.
- Slappy Line
Eric, I disagree. I really think if they didn't get a reaction, they WOULD go away. What fun is it if no one reacts? The mere fact that they agreed to the interview (and to be photographed) shows that even the reaction wasn't enough. They wanted people to know who they were and recognize what they'd done. It's the same as keeping your clippings or social bookmarking your mentions, but on a much larger and needier scale.
- Cyndy
Cyndy, because they work as an anonymous group and the group itself feeds. Hence the 'for the lulz'.... it's a parallel not just by tech design of a japanese image board, but the idea of individualism isn't a priority. That's why you see so much of the "Anonymous" thing. It's ABOUT the group, but not the ego. It's so much the anti-blogger it's not even funny, and that's why it works. You can't FIND them to ignore them and on paper they 'don't do anything wrong'. It's a subtle pattern of conversation, like +
- Eric Rice
+screwin with the people at the drive-thru window by faking a broken microphone connection. It takes awhile to realize something's up and by that time, lulz accomplished.
- Eric Rice
In short, the blogosphere (read: tech blogosphere) doesn't -get- the lulzsphere...they think they do, but they don't and that's why the dynamic works. Those news articles are only the tip of the iceberg.
- Eric Rice
Eric: You couldn't have said it better. To elaborate on anonymous 'group' manifestation, is 2-chan, the Anonymous BBS of Japan. ie: Akihabara Massacre, Many, many killing sprees have stemmed from 2ch. (extreme examples)
- Mona Nomura
Even if it wasn't for the complexity of the problem people react emotionally to certain topics, always will. Unless everyone consciously chooses their reactions consistently someone will fall for it and give them lulz. Intermittent reinforcement is good enough.
- Goldie Katsu
Eric, I still call BS. Trolls have been around since the BBS and IRC. The group allows anonymity to stretch it out, but the reaction is still what they are after. The lulz is still attention. If every single person ignored them (EVERY LAST ONE) do you honestly think they'd still do it? Firm answer is no, they wouldn't. No attention, no lulz. It has nothing to do with the blogosphere and everything to do with annoying people to get the reaction.
- Cyndy
They THEMSELVES propagate the attention inward, we could ignore all we want but by the time we get affected, they got the lulz. That's why I'm saying it's not this 'oh yeah just ignore them'... by the time you realize you've been had, it's too late, mission is accomplished. I think our def of trolls is varied. Like Igor and Coulter are trolls to Scoble. Lulz are a diff beast where those rules don't apply.
- Eric Rice
kathy sierra tried to ignore her trolls, no? but she couldn't just wish them away until she shuttered her blog. perhaps she could give insight on how easy or hard that is in reality. i more or less agree with @eric's take here.
- .LAG liked that
Eric is right. Trolls often don't care about the attention. They often just want to stop a conversation. You see this most in political blogs where the trolls are actually paid by competition to keep conversations from getting going. Sort of the same way with Apple fans who were urged on by Guy Kawasaki types. Or teenagers who egg cars. Destruction is a goal, too.
- Robert Scoble
"Some men just want to watch the world burn." -- Alfred the Butler
- Karim
No, Kathy Sierra did exactly what they wanted. She reacted. She said she was afraid. She quit blogging. She pulled out of a conference. Trolls won.
- Cyndy
hmmm...but as i understood it from reading the Sierra story as it unfolded, for a long time, she tried to just ignore them, and then the nooses and such started showing up. these people are relentless. i enjoyed your original post, btw. one thing i'd like further exploration on is what kind of axe does "old media" like the NYT have to grind by giving trolls a public platform. if the interweb is painted as a scarier place, doesn't old media benefit?
- .LAG liked that
I'm not really familiar with the Sierra story, but from the comments and the NYT story, it looks like the trolls will push things as far as necessary to get a reaction, no matter how far he has to go. The only thing you can do for defense is to be ready to close everything down and start anew. I don't know how many people would be ready to do that.
- Steve Lowe
Funny thing is I don't want to be Internet famous, hence my handle. If I were to be famous, everyone in the world would want me to come over and fix their computer problems!
- imabonehead
SoCal earthquake a powerful reminder of Twitter’s potential - http://venturebeat.com/2008...
Eric Schlissel, John E. Bredehoft, edythe and 4 other people liked this
I wonder if TwitterSearch could be useful for Amber Alerts. Certainly a much faster way to distribute the message and it has a mobile platform which is important since much of the time the target is in a car.
- AJ Kohn
that's an interesting thought AJ.
- MG Siegler
i hear people in SoCal heard about the earthquake through twitter before the earthquake even started!
- Eric Eldon
@eric - i heard that too -- on twitter before you just said it.
- MG Siegler
It takes an earthquake to shake the Fail Whale ;-)
- Antoine Bertier
from Moopz
@AJ - Make your idea happen.
- Zach Underwood
@Zach: I'd love to but I'd need some serious tech help. Any takers?
- AJ Kohn
nice one, AP, you nailed my headline and story angle from nine months ago http://venturebeat.com/2007... and wrote this http://bit.ly/3qRmTe
Gavin, Marcel Weiß and Cindy Waters liked this
http://twitpic.com/3c6i - is this an interface bug or does twitter no longer want to know what i'm doing?
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"If you try to start a startup right out of college and it tanks, you’ll end up at 23 broke and a lot..." - http://pop17.tumblr.com/post...
Cindy Waters, Dennis Jackson, Andrew Meyer and 4 other people liked this
sure does assume everybody learns a lot from their mistakes. too bad so few people do...
- Jeremy Toeman
Sorry, but isn't 23 the perfect time to fail, be broke, and fail some more?
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Certainly better than 33, 43, 53, etc. :-S
- Ken Sheppardson
or, more personally, i ended up broke then got a job as a blogger writing about startups
- Eric Eldon
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