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Live now: This Week in Google 9 with Jeff Jarvis, and Gina Trapani. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here...
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Google needs to sync up sidewiki and Google Reader comments ASAP if they want to get traction as a central converation hub.
- Ken Sheppardson
I aspire to say something important enough that people talk about it somewhere other than comments on my blog post.
- Ken Sheppardson
Doesn't sidewiki work pretty much like Diigo? With Diigo, in addtion to highliting excerpts on pages it allows one to add post-it like notes.
- lelapin
Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing as diigo, lelapin.
- Ken Sheppardson
When has Google ever asked our permission to launch a service?
- Ken Sheppardson
Launching a service is different than pushing it into an existing product that millions of people already have installed.
- Ghworg
You don't have to use it.
- Ken Sheppardson
Whether I use it or not, as a blog owner it affects me.
- Ghworg
Sure it does. So does Diigo. So does FriendFeed. There are conversations happening all over the place. You can't control them. It's naive to think you can, and futile to try.
- Ken Sheppardson
Google is tea-bagging sites with SideWiki, and browsers with Google Frame
- Gabe
Sidewiki shows up only for those folks who explicitly chosen to use it. They turn it on. It's like some sort of app they install on their system. It's not as if Google imposing this on everyone who visits your site.
- Ken Sheppardson
SideWiki is working fine for me :) I have left comments on live.twit.tv as well as leoville.com Check it out and see if it's working now Leo :D
- Dylan Combs
IE causes problems for developers that other browser don't
- John Wright
But if you are in that corporate situation, you probably can't access those sites
- Johnny Worthington
I don't know about IE 7 and IE 8 as much but IE 6 is well known to be terrible... I think what the Wave team did is great
- John Wright
I made this site as kind of a joke kind of serious ... http://deathtoie6.com , it has been popular and controversial
- John Wright
However, this speaks to the problems that sites had with framing of sites with advertising by others some years ago. Google will be reaping benefit (advertising) from the content on some else's site. That was considered not desirable before and should be now. While others can comment about you on their own site, framing your site is getting unearned benefit from your work.
- JR Holmes
Great point from Gina on the Chrome Frame: IE 6 is still the most used browser and standard in many businesses. Not so sneaky way to help Google Wave get early traction as a messaging tool coordinated with Google Apps in the enterprise.
- Alex Howard
Johnny: I understand the corporate environment issue... hopefully the Chrome frame can get into those corporate computer environments
- John Wright
I think google wave will eventually take over email. Who would choose email over realtime conversation with e-mail as an added feature when it's needed?
- Dylan Combs
Being able to see me type is a bad thing. I often type in horrid insults and nasty comments, then delete them when I think better of it.
- Ghworg
Will Wave take any steam away from Twitter?
- Dave Yankowiak
Can you use GoogleWave confidentially within a business? I'd love to be able to use it to manage teams and projects
- KQT
@Ghworg you can disable that feature
- Dylan Combs
Isn't that an Apple thing though. Ultra cool technology you never knew you needed
- Johnny Worthington
The essence of Twitter is the broadcast of comments. With Wave, it keeps the conversation within the group.
- JR Holmes
Google told me I'd be getting Wave credentials in a few days. That was two months ago :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
KQT: yes I believe they said you can host your own wave server like an email server... and it can be within your own intranet also
- John Wright
@KQT On a company hosted Wave, it should be as private as internal email.
- JR Holmes
YAY!
- Johnny Worthington
Does leo pay attention to the FF chat?
- Dylan Combs
Interesting. I could see it as a form of workflow/project mgmt
- KQT
Yes, but he is playing with Wave
- Johnny Worthington
Dylan: Yes, usually he pays a lot of attention.
- Mister IQ
@Mister IQ I will be here more often then :)
- Dylan Combs
I <3 Audible
- Dylan Combs
I loved Leo's 101 Stone Tool Answers You Need to Know
- Johnny Worthington
I've been thinking I need to read more books... I don't want to buy books and have a library though. I was thinking about a Kindle but I'm not sure. Maybe I should look into Audible, but it's not the same as reading I suppose.
- John Wright
I like Audible but I really wish they'd create the audio version of more textbooks
- KQT
hi fro,m a rainy night in ga every things working briluntly 2 day
- daveccorey
Gmail... FREE SERVICE. If you base your business email on a free, 3rd party service, your foolish
- Johnny Worthington
Gina jinxed it.
- Ghworg
I thought one of the benefits of Virtualization tech was that if some parts go down the whole thing doesn't go down. I guess it's not the case with entire clouds going down... like Google App Engine a while back.
- John Wright
Google should not be doing this.. I hope they dont stop making that mod. it's just like jailbreaking the iPhone. It's not going anywhere anytime soon
- Dylan Combs
my Google Android Mod did not receive a cease and desist, in fact, I gave it to the Google Office in Ann Arbor: http://ugm.gabemcg.com/picture...
- Gabe
I tried to take a snapshot to tweet about watching TWiG Live, and when i took the screenshot Leo has a strange face on hahahah http://twitpic.com/j9l7w
- Dylan Combs
It's business. No company will never been truly open
- Johnny Worthington
Well, there's always the Pre :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
In my mind cell company's have been notorious for keeping things closed and getting as much money as possible (which is understandable) for their services, locking things down to make money. But as cell phones become true handheld computers, the cell companies will see more and more issues like this.
- John Wright
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... list of aquisitions
- jccalhoun
Jeff here is the map of Google Acquisitions from TechCrunch - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Atul Arora
I don't see why anyone cared that yahoo put their name by flickr... I mean they own flickr, what's the big deal?
- John Wright
Jeff/Leo - Today's post from CDixon from Hunch on Yahoo should invest in products and not do ads... http://www.cdixon.org/?p=1138
- Atul Arora
click the "!" on the homepage and listen to it "sing"
- Don Bonaddio
Peanut Butter memo was Brad Garlinghouse http://paidcontent.org/article...
- Atul Arora
the Yahoo homepage that is..
- Don Bonaddio
A list of google's acquisitions with some explanations of what the company was http://www.seobythesea.com/...
- jccalhoun
John Wright - I don't think it's worth talking about, but it's a little gratuitous. They're trying to gain some credibility and get their brand awareness past their search engine. I suppose it's understandable, but it feels like pandering to me.
- KQT
Yahoo owns a lot of valuable internet properties, but they really aren't doing the best with what they have. They don't seem to have a focused vision, or they haven't in the past. It seems like I've seen the start all kinds of sites/apps/products some that compete with each other. Then they will cancel some. Seems like poor management/leadership, other than that Yahoo isn't bad.
- John Wright
@KQT Yeah they're definitely trying to increase "mindshare" with it but I mean they own it and it's such a small change. It's not a feature change, it really doesn't affect the value of the service. I don't see why anyone made an uproar but that's just me :)
- John Wright
Does anyone else worry about how much Google is seaping into every facet of our digital lives? I love Google, but I have a recurring nightmare that Google uses all the information they have about us for evil someday.
- KQT
from Anil Dash - "Could apps using Twitter's new geolocation APIs protect privacy by discarding one significant digit of lat/lon for each week data is stored?"
- Atul Arora
@KQT wow, I thought about it before and I didn't see Google doing wrong... but yeah... what if!! ... they turn to the darkside ??? :(
- John Wright
It'd make for a great movie... Of course, only if Tom Cruise starred in it. lol
- KQT
How dare Google allow people to attach comments to places. Those comments should be left in those places. Like, on the wall or something. Maybe with a spray can. Fragmentation!! Fragmentation!!
- Ken Sheppardson
Next thing you know, Google will be serving ads to people when you're viewing peoples' comments about the places you're visiting.
- Ken Sheppardson
Google Places may get spammed easily. How would businesses cope with bad feedback? I don't think any business has 100% customer satisfaction rate.
- Krishna
Why doesn't Jeff object to this for the same reasons he objects to Sidewiki?
- Ken Sheppardson
That's a great idea re: checking in when you leave vs arrive.
- KQT
@Krishna that's the big thing all this social media will affect. Never before could you find so many "natural" reviews and info about a company or place. It's going to be interesting how this will change things
- John Wright
These programs which show places where you are seem very scary to me. Especially for a public person. This would be a stalkers' paradise.
- shelter watch
Shout out @kShep!
- Matthew DeVries
I always cringe for a second when Leo quotes me ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Oh come on, I'd be proud;-)
- Barney Lerten
This cyanogen move is exactly why all counter culture is bullsh*t, and why we should just meld with "the man" because ever counter culture leader always turns on it's people, EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. So we may as well buy MacBooks and iPhones and become part of "the man"
- Matthew DeVries
I've had the contacts synced for a while, it's very nice :)
- John Wright
Leo: Please mention Gpush... IMAP is a lot better than Google Sync for email. I do use Google Sync for Calendar/Contacts. http://www.theglitch.ws/2009...
- Jason Hansen
when it works :-P, my email is consistently flaky
- Don Bonaddio
Jeff should give us next weeks number of the week for us to figure out and then explain it the next week
- Jim Bednarz
So, how do these guys get paid for this discussion? Audible?
- KQT
Great Show Leo, Gina and Jeff :-)
- Emery Walker
Sorta like FlashForward, Jim;-)
- Barney Lerten
can you post that link to the bookmarklet ?
- John Wright
No audible pick?
- Edward Moskowitz
fruedian meme
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
So fun, 3-4 weeks in I'm hooked. I just want a Magic Tablet to watch them on;-)
- Barney Lerten
Guys, how's Google Exchange battery wise?
- Michel
Michel: Google had this to say... "While this type of speed is pretty awesome, push connections tend to use more power than fetching at intervals, so don’t be surprised if your battery life isn’t quite what it used to be. We’ve done a lot of work to optimize power usage, but if you prefer to save battery life, you can always turn off push in your phone’s settings and fetch mail every 30 or 60 minutes instead."
- Jason Hansen
@Jason. Ok thanks. I see that it does come at a disadvantage. I tried it out, but since I couldn't send from multiple emails, I scrapped it. I dunno if I'm doing something wrong. I'll try it out again.
- Michel
Audible Pick: The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution By Richard Dawkins http://www.audible.com/adbl...
- Leo Laporte
Great show again Guys - really enjoyed it :)
- Phill Price
Great Show Leo :)
- Dylan Combs
Just posted a Sidewiki entry to this page... this Sidewiki thing could be huge... the annotated web. Others have tried to make services like this but Google could get it enough tracktion to be useful.
- John Wright
Tease: Today on TWiG: Gina Trapani gets the bad news, Android ain't open, Jeff Jarvis asks What Would Google Buy, and Leo talks sidewiki.... stay tune this week in google is coming up next!
- Leo Laporte
I wish i could come on a show with Leo someday :D
- Dylan Combs
Thanks, Leo; Love your stuff!
- tytycoon
Yes indeed, excellent show. You should just change the theme music. Sounds like a fantasy book. :P
- Michel
I love the theme music! Classical music makes you smarter, right?
- Laura Norvig
Are you guys going to release the video on all platforms (miro, itunes, etc.)? Or are you going to just release on Mediafly?
- tytycoon
I think he said that they would eventually be able to post them at podcasts in iTunes and as videos on YouTube.
- Michel
Leo: re user participation in iDents - BBC three does it over here quite well?
- Phill Price
Android is under Apache 2.0 and GPL license. And Apache 2.0 as the BSD license allows to publish closed source derived from open source. So it's a good idea not to talk "Open Source" but to look at the license in any single case. This example btw shows that the GPL is the only true open source license. ;)
- Cl Attr
But if they are going to go with Mediafly, they might opt-out like what happened with Stickham.
- Michel
Thanks for the info, Michel
- tytycoon
Live now: Steve Gibson and Security Now 213: Cracking GSM. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
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Hi Steve!
- earl wallace
• Steve is proof-reading the galleys of Michael McCollum's Gibraltar Stars. It should be "published" soon on Michael's site. http://scifi-az.com
- Leo Laporte
• Bad guys can listen to GSM transmissions with a radio from Ettus Research LLC, http://ettus.com
- Leo Laporte
• It's patch Tuesday: http://www.microsoft.com/securit... - update now.
- Leo Laporte
I hear the neighbor down the street on her 5.8 mhz. cordless phone on my wireless 2.4 earphones
- earl wallace
most informative and educational up to date /cutting edge tech show for professionals in IT ever
- echostreamer
I was just going to post a question on which streams or podcasts you deem MUST see/hear/read. This is #1 any others? What would you add to the list?
- Kirsten Mitchell
• 3 billion people use GSM worldwide on their mobile phones, including all AT&T and T-Mobile customers in the US.
- Leo Laporte
• GSM uses a pseudo-random bitstream cipher
- Leo Laporte
(Hey anyone listening who wants to add a bullet point please do - it doesn't just have to be me! We use this post for our show notes later.)
- Leo Laporte
• If you have a really good source of pseudo random bits, there's nothing wrong with this technique, with the exception of plaintext attacks.
- Leo Laporte
• This kind of two-way xor-ing cipher is very economical so it's often used by older technologies. It only takes a few transistors.
- Leo Laporte
• The GSM Alliance still says that these kinds of attacks are impractical due to the size of the lookup table (2.2TB) and no one, they say, has explained how the GSM call can be recorded and analyzed. http://www.thetechherald.com/article.... Howerver the Universal Software Radio Peripheral, USRP, will do this. It's open hardware. http://ettus.com
- Leo Laporte
*A lookup table would be over 2 terrabytes
- earl wallace
Aren't radio receivers capable of receiving certain frequencies (i.e. cell phone) illegal to purchase in the US?
- Andrew Leyden
• According to Steve it's all legal unless you decrypt someone else's conversation.
- Leo Laporte
• Sun co-founder, John Gillmore, has funded the GNU Radio Project which provides the software to work with the Ettus hardware.
- Leo Laporte
No, the Ettus board is just a generic radio which uses the GNU radio project. It doesn't actually decrypt GSM for you. To do that, yes, you do need a rainbow table. However, at only 2.2 TB, it's well within the capabilities of modern systems to be affordable.
- Otto
Yea, I'm not entirely sure. The scanner law is pretty specific that you can't buy or modify a scanner to be capable of picking up analog signals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Andrew Leyden
Also, somebody made a web service that could return the proper data quickly back in April, I think. Makes it feasible to listen in on GSM in real time with minimal systems.
- Otto
GSM is digital isn't it?
- Leo Laporte
According to Wikipedia: "In the United States it is a federal crime to monitor cellular phone calls." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Leo Laporte
Of course, all modern cell signals are digital. But getting the signal and actually decrypting it are two different things.
- Otto
Yes, GSM is digital, but listening to his talk he was saying the board could pick up all the frequencies between XX and YY, which would (I assume) include these analog freq.
- Andrew Leyden
Wonder if someone could launch a DMCA claim against GSM hacking?
- Andrew Leyden
Oh yes, sorry, I can't hear the radio show right now. The generic radio boards are very cool, in that they let you program your own "hardware" radio, so to speak. But they don't magically crack encryption, just make it really easy to listen to whatever part of the spectrum you want, with easy filters and such since software is emulating the hardware...
- Otto
Here's a post from O'Reilly talking about the rainbow tables and web service back in 2008: http://radar.oreilly.com/2008...
- Otto
Heh, I can hear it now. Interesting talk about LFSRs. I know where he's going with it too, three LFSRs are used in the A5/1 code. Generating the rainbow table to crack it would take quite a while, and nobody has bothered yet, as far as I know.
- Otto
I think these guys are doing something similar in a distributed computer effort to crack it. http://reflextor.com/trac/a51 Some Virginia Tech researchers. http://www.itwire.com/content...
- Andrew Leyden
I guess the governments would just find it easier to tap the lines at the tower level / switching center rather than intercept 'over the air'.
- Andrew Leyden
Most ham radio nuts I know own hardware like this nowadays. GNU Radio is the new ham radio.
- Otto
Otto: they're step one: recording the encrypted data so you can crack it later.
- Leo Laporte
Andrew: yes, somehow, law enforcement uses "mobile towers" aka IMSI catcher
- Cl Attr
An IMSI catcher exploits a security hole in GSM by basically being a cell tower which forces the handset to use no encryption when it connects to it. It essentially is a man-in-the-middle attack.
- Otto
Back when we could listen to phones on our scanners, I occasionally would hear them. The choice was listening to them talk about 'picking up bread, kids at the soccer practice' or flipping over to the police band and hearing a shootout. Needless to say I rarely ever listened to phone calls.
- Andrew Leyden
Hmm... I had not considered attacks on getting SMS messages.
- Otto
What about GPRS? And is UMTS affected? (UMTS shouldn't be affected by the man-in-the-middle attack as described)
- Steve Mesik
UMTS is not subject to man-in-the-middle, but most UMTS handsets can fallback to a less secure mode, making them often vulnerable as well.
- Otto
Otto: you might wrong, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Cl Attr
CALEA allows them intercept almost anything directly from the telecom provider. The government actually has equipment on-site with switches to intercept calls and data when a wiretap warrant is issued.
- Steve Mesik
CI Attr: That page says the same thing I did. Nice. :)
- Otto
leo ms just release 7 updates,im updating now. :)
- pcguru626
Otto: you're right, I should have read your comment to the very end :)
- Cl Attr
Leo and Steve: This is an excellent topic. I will be keeping a copy of this for reference. Thanks for taking an entire episode to cover this.
- Steve Mesik
hi from georgia on twit wvery things ok
- daveccorey
mmmm... spy vs spy type stuff
- Kyle Case
@LastChance No kidding. SMS messages cost $1500/MB. http://www.google.com/search... - talk about windfall profits!
Daniel Rowley, bnoise, Davide D'Incau and 7 other people liked this
Dont't we all think in gigabyte? http://bit.ly/PALu (1,5 million/GB)
- Cl Attr
Seriously huge profit margins.
- Roberto Bonini
I have 375 SMS messages included per month but almost never use it. I like the Twitter client on my phone though.
- Alex
Good morning Twitter. Google made lots of moves yesterday and I agree with them all.
Kol Tregaskes, Chris, Taskerrific Guy, Atul Arora and 9 other people liked this
been predicting this for a while, *but* what's more interesting is what it means for Google as a company going forward.
- mikepk
expect even more focusing on the things that gen revenue. me=broken record, Google is in (near?) innovator's dilemma territory.
- mikepk
Mohomed, smart does not necessarily equal 'good' in the old google sense. That's what people should be watching. Especially since Google wields so much power in the tech space.
- mikepk
Killing Google Notebook makes little sense; it should have been folded into Google Docs. I'm not sure what the point of buying Jaiku and Dodgeball was, though they've now officially pissed away that money and killed two promising services.
- Eric P
Eric: I agree that none of these services was treated well. But Twitter killed Dodgeball. I was on Dodgeball and it just wasn't as good as Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
And it shows what a bad idea cloud computing is. Relying on those services is as bad as putting your data into proprietary formats.
- Cl Attr
Cl Attr, I don't think you can draw that conclusion. These were all free services.
- Rutger Blom
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