Claudia Koltzenburg

What would research funding look like if it were invented today? Let's start collecting materials. (via http://friendfeed.com/danielm... ).

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The basic structure for this part iii of the "what would X look like if invented today" series is in the mind map at http://www.mindmeister.com/3016825... , with background via http://friendfeed.com/search... . Main points: More flexibility in the models of funding, more attention to technological shifts in the way people (including scientists) communicate. Such has also been argued at http://ff.im/9GGRn and http://2020science.org/2009... . - Daniel Mietchen

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Just noticed that we used different notions of "public funding environments" in the mind map so far. What I had in mind was to have "funding environments" in public, much like what fundscience.org plan to do. Some of the added comments seem to have used the term in the sense of environments for "public funding". Both notions are certainly valid, and we should think of ways to keep them apart. - Daniel Mietchen

good point re making this difference clear(er) in the map - Claudia Koltzenburg

I would like to see a lot more funding of contests - Jean-Claude Bradley

Yes, Jean-Claude, contests and prizes with a competitive element are definitely on the list. If you have good examples from the recent past, please post them here. - Daniel Mietchen

"More money for science is always good. Or is it? Six experts tell Nature what concerns them most about the US stimulus spending and suggest ways to ensure that it benefits research and society in the long term." - http://www.nature.com/nature... - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel -for a recent example of a contest for research: http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/ - Jean-Claude Bradley

Thanks, Jean-Claude. It is noted along with http://www.claymath.org/millenn... and http://www.xprize.org/ as an effort to make the chain from achievement to award both shorter and more transparent than currently usual. - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel - the thing I like about contests is that barrier to participation is orders of magnitude lower than traditional funding - there is no need to convince anyone that what you are attempting will actually work before doing anything. Of course this limits the type of projects that can be run but it still applies to a large number. - Jean-Claude Bradley

Has there been any recent follow-up study to "Activities, costs and funding flows in the scholarly communications system" at http://www.rin.ac.uk/our-wor... ? - Daniel Mietchen

The Wellcome Trust weighs in on reforming science funding: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story... - see also http://ff.im/bljS1 . - Daniel Mietchen

thanks for the pointer, Daniel - Claudia Koltzenburg

Let's not forget that http://www.submeta.org/ provided funding for http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/ - certainly a "basic research" funding model that looks promising - Daniel Mietchen

One more: http://ff.im/cHoa5 on HHMI's focus on "people, not projects" - http://pazoulay.scripts.mit.edu/docs... . - Daniel Mietchen

Daniel, not that I have anything against HHMI, but that mantra is not exclusive to them. For example Max-Planck Society has exactly the same approach (and I would say that at 10% of HHMI's budget and having twice as much Nobel prize winners, MPG looks a bit more effective ;) ). - Pawel Szczesny

Didn't mean this to be exclusive, and I am well aware of MPG approaches (been there for a while). - Daniel Mietchen

"I wish there was a universal format for submitting grant proposals; authors could post proposals (once!) & then the funders bid on them." (rephrased from http://ff.im/5VwEI ). I would add that the process should be public. fundscience.org plan to go this way. - Daniel Mietchen

How do funders and scientists rank "more attention to technological shifts" against the "scientific expertise they have"? One says "change" the other "keep doing what you know"! Are those two things not disagreeing each other? In other words, who would you fund first, the "crazy new idea" or the "conservative stuff"? - joergkurtwegner

I would think funders should have (as they do now) the liberty of choosing their priorities, and in many cases this will be a mixture of many incremental projects and some revolutionary ones. The main shift in the system would thus be to have just ONE avenue for proposals, and to make it public. - Daniel Mietchen

On the role of rules in creativity and innovation: http://ff.im/cRs7K . - Daniel Mietchen

Björn Brembs

Women scientists: biological drive vs. scientific passion - http://bjoern.brembs.net/news...

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I think you're underemphasizing some cultural factors: namely, it is FAR more socially acceptable for men to abandon their children 12h/day than it is for women. Likewise, it is FAR more socially acceptable for women to say "I'm giving up on [career] to have kids" than for men. My personal opinion is that until men step up to a fair share of childcare, nothing changes. - D0r0th34

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I agree with D0r0th34. Plus, it seems to me that there is something wrong with a career/professional culture that requires these work hours. Perhaps if more people were hired to work in the lab, it wouldn't be necessary for others to take on these work loads. - Katy S

also, "biological drive"? puh-LEEZ, says this no-kids-nuh-uh-not-ever woman. - D0r0th34

This is cultural rather than biological. US and UK are very very poor examples for women in science from what I have gathered so far. I would prefer to see statistics from somewhere like Sweden, which appears to have much more civilised maternity/paternity regulations. - Anna Croft

There's plenty statistics on this, no time right now to look it up, but there are norwegian studies. On the post-doc level I believe we are closing in on 50/50 share between men and women. Maternity leave and social benefits when you have small children do make a difference. That said, I believe that the distribution is skewed towards men when it comes to tenured positions also in scandinavian countries. - Nils Reinton

@D: I try not to emphasize neither biology nor culture. As a neurogeneticist, I find the dichotomy to be useless anyway - which I try to allude to in brackets. Social acceptance is certainly part of the mix. - Björn Brembs

@Katy: I think this is at the core of the issue: where do these long hours come from? Personally, every morning I look forward to coming to the lab and in the evening, I've organized events (sports, social) simply to have a deadline by which I MUST leave the lab. A quote from our prof emeritus here springs to mind: "When I married, I lost my Sundays in the lab. When our first child was... more... - Björn Brembs

@Anna: Of course, childcare is an issue in many cases, no doubt. However, I'm asking myself (as the issue will come up next year): how do I fit a 12-13h workday with a child that will be awake for (at least for some years) less than that time. If I have a child, I'd like to raise it and educate it at least for some of the time and not delegate that to 100% to strangers. Why have a child... more... - Björn Brembs

It might be interesting to look at what arguments emerge from looking at career path figures on men in science who do not raise children (or do any other daily care work for others alongside their jobs) compared to women in science who don't, either. - Claudia Koltzenburg

when they had me, my parents both took a year off, first mum then dad, before doing the daycare thing. that's what I plan to do. @Bjorn I think on average mothers probably do want to spend more time with their baby than fathers, but I doubt the effect is substantial or general. as Nils says, Scandinavian countries are closer to 50/50 thanks to a different culture re ma/paternity leave (though it's far from equal, and maybe it never will be, but i doubt there's any harm in trying). - Christopher Harris

@Björn I could make a number of comments to the nature of 'society' response to this, but given they relate to instances in my current job this is probably not the place (not relating to me in terms of childcare btw). My partner otoh, has indicated he is eager to take on any childcare responsibilities when/if the time comes (and thus considers this extremely seriously) - however, I suspect he is in a reasonable minority. Hopefully this will change. - Anna Croft

I am with Katy here. Just cut those crazy working hours and make a life outside of the lab obligatory. Everybody will be happy and I can finally keep up with the papers published in my field. Damn workaholics! - Oliver Schuster

@Katy, @ Oliver: it's not necessarily that people are forced to work these hours (although that is a component), it's more the passion that drives them (which may be potentiated by the competition). - Björn Brembs

A couple of books by Berkeley women address these issues: _Mothers on the Fast Track_ http://www.amazon.com/gp... by Mary Ann Mason and Eve Mason Ekman, includes a section on women in academia (not scientists specifically). Mason notes that women with children are less likely to get... more... - Ruchira S. Datta

Claudia, the _Mothers on the Fast Track_ book answers your question. A rough paraphrase from memory: for men in academia, being married with children is *better* for their careers than not having children. For women in academia, it's the opposite. - Ruchira S. Datta

The competition driving them may be an illusion. This presentation on the Rules of Productivity http://lostgarden.com/Rules%2... is aimed at game developers, but apply to scientists as well. The 40-hour workweek was chosen because it gives the greatest sustained productivity. - Ruchira S. Datta

A salient point is that productivity for knowledge workers declines after 35 hours, not 40. - Ruchira S. Datta

Cameron Neylon

Impact summary for a new research proposal: Comments welcome http://dl.dropbox.com/u...

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thank you for sharing, sounds very interesting, Cameron, Q: is this 'Impact summary' just one summary among others for this project proposal or is it the only summary? - Claudia Koltzenburg

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It's the only summary - I now have to write two sides of "real impact statement" - Cameron Neylon

by 'two sides' you mean sth like pro and contra? - Claudia Koltzenburg

No, I mean two A4 pages :-) - Cameron Neylon

And here's a version of the two pager...http://dl.dropbox.com/u... - Cameron Neylon

ah :-) on text one, some more points emerge: -- it is unclear to me what CRU refers to; -- in 1) "The proposal will also work towards" - I guess this is intended to say "The proposed project...; -- in 2) "Will will" should maybe read "We will"; -- does the structuring 1) 2) 3) correspond to the work packages of the proposal? if not, how *does* the summary structure relate to the main... more... - Claudia Koltzenburg

re text two "easy to use tools that get out of the researcher’s way" - do you mean "tools that are so good that researchers do not realize they are using these tools"? - Claudia Koltzenburg

Re: text 2 absolutely - that is the aim - probably not quite attainable but a worthy goal. Re: text 1 - yes organization needs improving as to what the point of the three points is. And my sentences are too long. CRU is the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia of leaked emails fame which I will actually take out as a direct reference because it will just get people's backs up for the wrong reason - Cameron Neylon

Should also point out that we're aiming to make stuff available, not necessarily completely tackling the usability question. Might be best framed as "how many research objects and how much metadata can be collected without bothering the user?" - Cameron Neylon from twhirl

agreed, well framed, sounds to the point, it seems to me. Yet: "the user" - what threshold level of experience are you implying for each of the areas you are addressing? is there a phase aspect to what "the user" is, e.g., is this entity made up of other sub-entities at the start of the project than by the time it ends? (am referring to "driving adoption and uptake" in text 2) - Claudia Koltzenburg

The user in this context is the individual research scientist. Was using it interchangeably with "researcher" to try and keep some variety but its a good point that its ambiguous, particularly when I talk about crowd-sourcing at the end. The "audience" for this document is a panel of primarily biological scientists but the person "handling" the proposal can be expected to have some reasonable IT or information management expertise, as should the referees - Cameron Neylon

Cameron Neylon

Article-Level Metrics and the Evolution of Scientific Impact - http://www.citeulike.org/user...

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Article on ALMs by myself and Shirley Wu - Cameron Neylon

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Terrific. Are we still maintaining that list of "outputs resulting from FriendFeed"? - Neil Saunders

I was planning on doing a demo of annotation at PLoS before the end of the year - perhaps this article would be a good candidate. As always, anyone willing to join is welcome. - Daniel Mietchen

@ Neil: It's at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... , and I have added the article as #25 (details missing). - Daniel Mietchen

i added a note once, but now it won't let me add any other notes :( I don't see a rule about one note per person. I should have held off for a good one. - Christina Pikas

I also just noticed that my "annotation" - provided the link to StackOverflow - shows up in the general discussion, where the title "Link" certainly is not helpful, and there is no way I can edit it. - Daniel Mietchen

maybe something is broken, my note appears in general comments but also in that portion of the text as a comment. maybe that's why I couldn't add other notes? - Christina Pikas

Not sure why you can't add more notes. Certainly been able to in the past. I see both notes where they are supposed to be I think. But they will also appear in the general comments as well I think. - Cameron Neylon

Great article! I really need to add some comments or notes, just to prove the authors' point :-) - Björn Brembs

BTW, when does PLoS finally get karma? I've been asking for proper 'show off' userprofiles for like ever :-) - Björn Brembs

As in PLoS Overflow? - Cameron Neylon

Cameron, et al. - What's the most useful thing I could do to nurture and support this renewed interest in article level metrics? (not from a competing data product point of view, but a let's get some good technologies out there with good visibility) - Mr. Gunn

@Cameron: Exactly! I even think having a profile where you can post a pic and see how many papers and comments were published, papers edited, etc.was the very first thing I asked for when I signed up :-) - Björn Brembs

But it needs to be federated across publishers... :-) - Cameron Neylon

if authors put in their 'customer' weight, this will go faster, so why not go syndicate :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

I think I'll use this paper in my spring thesis class -- this is the main one where I discuss publishing models -- and maybe I'll demo Diigo with this as a class project next to an article that discusses IF. - Mickey Schafer

While we're on the subject of functionality wish lists, I would also like an embed functionality for PLoS papers. Collecting my publications together but don't want to duplicate copies and reduce googlejuice for the journal - at least not for the OA papers anyway... - Cameron Neylon

Whilst not a darts-player http://www.flickr.com/photos... , I think Cameron has hit the "triple-twenty" there :) - Graham Steel

BTW, why isn't there a way to register this thread with the article? Why are we posting here and not on the article? There's got to be a lesson to be learned from this :-) - Björn Brembs from iPhone

http://bullseyevaluation.com/yahoo_s... - Graham Steel

Done. See comment #4. - Graham Steel

Search results: http://topsy.com/s... from Topsy http://labs.topsy.com/about/ - Jim Till

I've included a link to this thread in a blog post: Article-level metrics getting attention http://ff.im/bGuNY - Jim Till

+1 Bjoern :-) another question along these lines would be: why does Cameron's intial FF message link to CiteULike and not to http://www.plosbiology.org/article..., or plainly doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000242 ? - Claudia Koltzenburg

Because that was the way I brought the link in. I think that that pointer is appropriate. It is a pointer to the fact that I bookmarked it. Other people linked to the paper directly. Perhaps the issue is that we accidentally aggregated around the "wrong" item to talk about the paper. I'm not sure this is a problem as long as the referral works - its a UI irritation not a problem with... more... - Cameron Neylon

well, not directly, maybe in this ff-thread we're just providing some material for what you say in your paragraph "Technical Solutions to Social Problems", namely: "approaches that gather information from processes that are already part of the typical research workflow are also much more likely to succeed." - even though ff may not be part of 'the typical research workflow' (yet?) - and... more... - Claudia Koltzenburg

That's true, and certainly conversation sparked by the paper. But how to capture that in a way that is useful further down the line might be tough... - Cameron Neylon

I am still wondering if we would not need at least one metric for each 'scientist type' as described in http://dx.doi.org/10... - joergkurtwegner

joergkurtwegner -I'm interested to see what tenurometer comes up with re: h-index correction factors for disciplines. - Mr. Gunn

paula simoes ☃

Enabling Open Scholarship - Case study: Open Access visibility and impact of an individual researcher #ConfOA09 - http://www.openscholarship.org/jcms...

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Alma Swan will present some results at Berlin 7 in Paris, 2-4 Dec, www.berlin7.org - Claudia Koltzenburg

Thanks for the link, Claudia - paula simoes ☃

Cameron Neylon

Looking forward to Portugal OA conference next week http://confoa09.sdum.uminho.pt/ but need my computer back to prepare my talk!

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Universidade do Minho has been an OA stronghold and I am hoping to see more input coming from them :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

Minho has my undying love for their green-OA bribery program. - D0r0th34

Yes, Claudia - Universidade do Minho have been running their institutional repository since 2003! - Daniel Mietchen

Dan Hagon to Dan's feed, Science 2.0

The Archive of Formal Proofs - http://afp.sourceforge.net/index...

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Some day all science journals will contain scientific knowledge which is as verifiable and as immediately reusable as this. - Dan Hagon from Bookmarklet

Now that is cool... - Cameron Neylon

indeed - Claudia Koltzenburg

Frank Norman

Trying to have brilliant thoughts about future of research INSTITUTE libraries. More coffee needed.

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what else? - Claudia Koltzenburg

coffeee mmmmmmm Excellent idea. Will get back to you if I have any brilliant ideas... :-) - Cameron Neylon

Martin Fenner

Moving article-level metrics forward - http://network.nature.com/people...

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That is a good point - the PubMed version of the article will take away from the article metrics. So we shouldn't take them too seriously but they are better than the dominant system in place right now. - Jean-Claude Bradley

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There are probably also significant numbers of downloads of green OA articles in institutional repositories. Difficult to track. And you should never take any bibliographic metric too seriously ;) - Martin Fenner from iPhone

Martin I think the metrics can be useful if properly framed by a researcher to demonstrate the impact of their own work - Jean-Claude Bradley

good point re green OA repository article downloads - any idea who is actually looking into tracking them, too? and yes, I agree, don't take any metrics too seriously - still, they seem to attract a lot of high profile attention, including the AML version, as we can see http://friendfeed.com/article... - so where to start and where to stop (and for which purpose) taking things seriously? - Claudia Koltzenburg

Claudia, a German research project (link in blog post) is trying to track downloads from repositories. - Martin Fenner from iPhone

thanks for the pointer, on the DINI project OAS (Open-Access-Statistik), see a poster in English here: http://indico.cern.ch/getFile...; just announced: there is a project finissage session (in German, it seems) "What counts? - Usage statistics as an alternative measurement for impact" on 21 January in Göttingen http://www.dini.de/projekt... - Claudia Koltzenburg

'Mummi' Thorisson to 'Mummi''s feed, The Life Scientists

Fwd: Accreditation and attribution in data sharing. - http://www.citeulike.org/user... (via http://friendfeed.com/dullhun...)

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Thorisson, G.A. Accreditation and attribution in data sharing. Nature Biotechnology 27, 984 - 985 (2009). http://dx.doi.org/10... - 'Mummi' Thorisson

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Blatant self-plug here! My response to a number of recent editorials, regarding the importance of making datasets citable to encourage researchers to publish their data and 'data DOIs' being a potential key factor in bringing this about. Comments/criticism welcome. - 'Mummi' Thorisson

"author can archive pre-print (ie pre-refereeing)" says SHERPA/ROMEO re Nature Biotechnology/NPG - in case your contractual agreements go beyond this, you might be able to enhance the size of your readership, the amount of feedback, and most likely also your citation rates by OA green of the final version - (where) have you self-archived this article? I would like to recommend it to colleagues whose institution cannot afford a subscription of Nature Biotechnology - can you help? - Claudia Koltzenburg

Claudia - can you give more specific guidance regarding self-archiving? I can't make much out of your comment. I did check the NBT website and according to http://www.nature.com/reprint... I can self-archive 6 months after publication. - 'Mummi' Thorisson

In any case, if anyone doesn't have access to NBT then by all means contact me directly (FF message) and I'll E-mail the PDF. - 'Mummi' Thorisson

pleasure: on more specific guidance regarding self-archiving see here (example repository software EPrints): http://www.eprints.org/openacc... and here, in the case of your current research instiution: Leicester Research Archive https://lra.le.ac.uk/ or maybe DORA https://www.dora.dmu.ac.uk/ who both are run on DSpace http://www.dspace.org/ (my source: http://roar.eprints.org) - tuck in :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

thank you for the direct delivery service offer, Mummi. Actually, with a paper of THIS topic I would prefer to recommend an open access version that is downloadable from the web by anyone and now :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

in more detail: SHERPA/ROMEO http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/ lists the NPG general license to say (see my quote above) "author can archive pre-print (ie pre-refereeing)" - and adds: "This summary is for the publisher's default policies and changes or exceptions can often be negotiated by authors. All information is correct to the best of our knowledge but should not be relied upon for... more... - Claudia Koltzenburg

Why is it, when I try to download the PDF, that I get Correspondence on "The market value of GM products" instead? :) - Allyson Lister

Allyson - good one ;) my bit starts near the bottom of that 1st page - 'Mummi' Thorisson

Claudia - Thanx again. I shall try and sort this out ASAP. - 'Mummi' Thorisson

@Mummi - I should have trusted the PDF - I didn't even scroll down - just saw the top and figured it was a bum link - my bad! :) - Allyson Lister

Nature journals' policy is that authors can put their submitted version online eg on a preprint server whenever they want - before, after or during submission. The version that is accepted for publication can be archived in a repository 6 months after publication. The published version stays on the publisher website. http://www.nature.com/authors... and http://www.nature.com/authors... - Maxine

Quote from first URL above: "Our policy on the posting of particular versions of the manuscript is as follows: 1. You are welcome to post pre-submission versions or the original submitted version of the manuscript on a personal blog, a collaborative wiki or a preprint server at any time (but not subsequent pre-accept versions that evolve due to the editorial process). 2. The accepted... more... - Maxine

@Mummi of course you could have published in an open access journal instead :-) - Duncan Hull

Duncan - excellent point (was kinda waiting for someone to kick my arse about that...). Honestly, I would have done this, but the backdrop to this is that I was approached originally by the NBT editor about writing a short letter on this topic, following a comment I made on a Nature blog post (http://blogs.nature.com/nautilu...). - 'Mummi' Thorisson

I *promise* to make an effort to submit to an OA journal next time! - 'Mummi' Thorisson

Responding to OA chiding by Claudia and others. Here's a link the self-archived MS: http://hdl.handle.net/2381... - 'Mummi' Thorisson

+ 1 :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

Mickey Schafer to Mickey's feed, Science 2.0

Scientists still not joining social networks -- Scholarly Kitchen -- http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009...

October 19 - Comment - Like - Share

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Personally, am not convinced of some of the assumptions, e.g. "...Both are unfortunate, but are parts of the current culture [reference to sharing early lab results]. Any network that hopes to succeed must adapt to the culture of the community, rather than trying to rewrite it." First, though likely rare, I think there are instances where culture gets "re-written" -- another perspective is that this form of communication provides an alternative to established routes. That is, does not replace them but adds to the diversity of communication means. - Mickey Schafer

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The only thing I really disagree with here is that I think there will be a shift towards more open approaches as more examples of success show up. Then everyone will go over the edge like lemmings and there will be a backlash again but by then the funders will be piling in with conditions to push things forward. - Cameron Neylon

<cynical>It doesn't matter what the scientists think. What matters is what the funders demand of them.</cynical> Open science doesn't really depend on "[online] social networks" and never has. It's true that most open-science sorts are active social networkers, but when the rubber hits the road, I don't care who's on FriendFeed -- I care who's sharing data. If the funders demand the latter and not the former, good on 'em. Behavior will shift accordingly. - D0r0th34

But the funders are the scientists in most cases - so a mixture of pushing from within the community - as well as top down mandates will get us there. The question is how to get the funders into a position where they feel bound to impose mandates _and_ provide the infrastructure that makes it possible to observe them...? - Cameron Neylon

Mmm, I'm not sure I agree. Funding infrastructure relies on a fair amount of scientist labor, yes -- but it's not career scientists who have been calling the funder shots; it's been top-level administrators (some of whom are ex-scientists, admittedly) looking at bottom lines. The Wellcome Trust mandate didn't come from scientists. Neither did the NIH policy. <cynical>One can't rely on scientists for effective science policy.</cynical> - D0r0th34

Fair enough. UK Research Councils case is more nuanced. Even Wellcome Trust policy was driven to a certain extent by the fundees or at least not in the face of belligerent opposition from them. But comparing the independent funders like Wellcome to the Research Councils (run more by councils of academics) is instructive. - Cameron Neylon

I thought the spin on your lovely shout out for Medeley on ch 4 news was interesting, Cameron (nice monitors btw!). 'government backing for innovators to meet and share' was the message. Have you had any responses to that yet? Maybe systems like Mendeley will be the things that start to crack the nut of social networking for scientists? I'm not sure it's a killer app, more the thin end of the wedge... - Jo Badge

Shorter DC: I don't like social networks or spend any time on them, so they must be useless. - Bill Hooker

I'm afraid they're not my monitors but those for the control room for one of the instruments (not incidentally the one that got filmed in the piece - but at least there was no blue liquid!) But they are in fact necessary to keep the instrument running and processing data efficiently. - Cameron Neylon

Bill, I am afraid your DC is heads on :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

I can imagine a report from 1670, a full five years after the creation of academic journals, concluding that virtually no scientists were using academic journals as a matter of course, and thus they are useless. (Technological progress has sped up a lot since 1670, of course. But social change isn't all that much faster, in my opinion. And this is fundamentally a social change.) - Michael Nielsen

Michael++ - D0r0th34

I think we also tend to forget the granddaddy social software: email. In some fields there are tremendously active listservs that have been around for over a decade especially at research universities where faculty got email before it really caught on in the wider world. What evidence would convince a scientist that Facebook, LinkedIn or Twitter offer better communication opportunities than an archived listserv? - Jenny Reiswig

Well, aren't most scientists using email as "communication opportunities" and nothing else? (social network, listserv etc)? - Maxine

were observations limited to sites specifically designed for scientists? perhaps to the exclusion of other significant mainstream platforms like facebook or twitter - Mike Chelen

Jenny: it might be better to gauge usage based either on features such as address book management or by traffic metrics such as size of audience - Mike Chelen

Daniel Mietchen

BioData Mining | Full text | Fast approximate hierarchical clustering using similarity heuristics - http://www.biodatamining.org/content...

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"The software is available from the URL http://www.quretec.com/HappieC... [webcite]" - I wish I would see the use of Webcite more often in papers. - Daniel Mietchen from Bookmarklet

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agreed, http://ff.im/7qNm9 - webcite does not seem to be able to take multimedia resources, though - maybe not yet? - Claudia Koltzenburg

see also http://ff.im/8rPTS - Claudia Koltzenburg

Thanks for the pointers. - Daniel Mietchen

Anyone know what this means: 350 [main] happieclust 4680 _cygtls::handle_exceptions: Exception: STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION - Andrew Lang

Author (Meelis) responded overnight - very helpful. If you are on windows machine use http://www.thefreecountry.com/tofrodo... to convert your windows .txt file to unix .txt format which the program expects. - Andrew Lang

Duncan Hull

Models for financial sustainability of biological databases and resources - http://www.citeulike.org/user...

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OA here: http://database.oxfordjournals.org/cgi... - Claudia Koltzenburg

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I need some feedback/career advice.

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Many of you know I've been working with Mendeley as a sort of ambassador/community liaison. I started this because I've always felt a little shut out from contributing to open science/open access/open data because I don't work for a publisher, don't really write code, and wasn't in a job where I could openly share data. This was a way to influence how things develop by promoting the people who "get it". - Mr. Gunn

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I had to quit for the "real job" a little while back and found not only that I had more time to work for Mendeley, but that I started getting other offers/opportunities also. - Mr. Gunn

Now I've got a newborn daughter and am liking the time I can spend at home with her, which raises the following conundrum: Can I do more of this community liaison work for companies that support/promote open access and put my research career on hold, or is there not any future in this? - Mr. Gunn

Can I trust the friends and colleagues I've met on here to be able to have a real discussion with me, keep me honest, and tell me if I'm backing the wrong horse as I take on more clients, or would I be considered a sell-out? Would people believe that my opinions still come from me and my experiences, or would people just think "You're only saying/supporting that because they're paying... more... - Mr. Gunn

Do you think there's room to grow in this kind of role or am I just wishfully thinking that I can make my own job in this tough economy and get to spend time with my daughter too? - Mr. Gunn

I really believe this is a way I can contribute to changing how science is being done, opening up the process, disintermediating scientific discovery, and all those noble sounding things, but do you buy it, or do you think I'll not only become corrupted by money but lose my relevance because I'm not really doing science anymore? - Mr. Gunn

Can I help companies that don't quite get it to improve and become better and more responsive to their community of users or will I lose touch? - Mr. Gunn

I will be saying nothing works better than inspiring people by setting examples, I will not go with holding my research career even it is not working well as long as I have passion for discovering something. But there are certain realities and money is one of them. Ambassador/community liaisoning is other way to contribute back to the science, but it will be too early to give up your... more... - Abhishek Tiwari

Mr. Gunn. You can absolutely do so, but as you note, you cannot do this with one client. It will have to be a consulting/pundit role (you should probably have a chat with Paul Miller at some point http://cloudofdata.com). The life science industry will be challenging given the limited opportunities, and in this economy, this will not be a walk in the park. As to whether you have to be... more... - Deepak Singh

And we'll tell you if you're being an idiot. It also depends on what you really want to earn. You're not going to get rich doing this, at least not quickly. - Deepak Singh

Abhishek, I could cite all the times when I've recommended Papers or Zotero instead because it really was better for what the person was looking for as evidence that I don't always have to say what the official line is, but that wouldn't illustrate all the discussions I've had where the company point of view _became_ my point of view. This is exactly the kind of discussion I want to be... more... - Mr. Gunn

Thanks Deepak. I know you will, and I'm not looking to get rich. I'm looking to do work for people I believe it, be a force for good, and at least for the moment, spend more time at home with my daughter. - Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn, it will only taint it if you let it, although there will people who'll always be skeptical. As long as you are honest and present your point of view rationally, you'll be fine - Deepak Singh

I'd like to think that being open and transparent online helps illustrate my biases, too. - Mr. Gunn

Way outside my area of expertise, but I would think the "consulting/pundit" thing that Deepak mentions would involve lots of travel, especially to start. Not sure how conducive that is to spending more time at home... - Andrew Su

Andrew, missed that bit. There would be a fair bit of travel - Deepak Singh from iPhone

Tough call MrG. I'm not concerned about you selling out, plus I will call you out if I think you are sliding into that trap (as, I'm sure, will the rest of the FF posse). My larger concern would be whether you can make a living that way. Is there a more regular (but part-time) gig that you could get to buffer the difficulties of forging a new path? For instance, do you write easily and... more... - Bill Hooker

Having a part-time gig would allow you more freedom to take risks and experiment, and could be phased out as and when your liaison/consulting work grew. - Bill Hooker

Bill, that's a really great idea. My current commitments are only part-time, so having something more steady would both help the bottom line and insulate me from selling-out criticism - "I don't need to do this." Please, put me in touch. - Mr. Gunn

the ultimate evidence for or against bias is behavior, would such a position restrict or inhibit assuming a critical perspective? - Mike Chelen

What fun would that be, Mike? I just wanted to do a sanity check against my friends and colleagues here to make sure that at least some of them would promise to call me out if I started to not make any sense or drift away from the principles of openness this community takes as a fundamental principle. - Mr. Gunn

Interesting situation! My take is that people who have no history of interaction with you, will not spend a lot of time looking you up online. As soon as they know you're being paid to do this, you'll be a sales rep - which means there isn't even any need to look you up, they already know who/what you are. Thus, IMHO, no online history will get you out of the sales rep box. - Björn Brembs

I agree with Bill's suggestion, and also his non-worry about bias. Or rather, we're all biased, but you don't come across as a sell-out company mouthpiece to those who know you, so you can let that slide. Bjorn isn't tender, but he's right. Either way, you won't change it by adding on more opportunities to be a facilitator. And forging your own path to be more with your family - having been there, I would say you won't regret it later. One always has career regrets, but that's because we only have one life. - Heather

Mr. Gunn. A full time liaison for a company will effectively make you sort of a sales rep. I have been a sales rep myself - which was a valuable learning experience, but I suspect, like me, not one you would fit comfortable into for a longer period of time (several years). When I left university, my friends and colleagues told me that I had a time-limit of 1-2 years to get back into... more... - Nils Reinton

Thanks, Nils, Heather, Björn. My intent is not to work full-time for a specific company, and I'm not doing that now. My intent is also to talk more about ideas and trends and less about specific products. Although I do spend a fair amount of time recommending Mendeley, I think Zotero shares their mission and I just personally prefer Mendeley. I used Zotero to write my first paper and it came down to me just wanting a desktop, full-screen app instead of their browser add on. - Mr. Gunn

Björn - We all have our various reasons to believe what we do and say what we do. In my role, I'm not being paid to say anything or to have a certain opinion. In fact, I think where I disagree with the Mendeley guys is more valuable to them than where I agree, because what they're basically paying me for is my insights as a scientist who knows the field and keeps current with... more... - Mr. Gunn

I know I can't speak for anyone, and I'm not appointing myself spokesperson, but if I spend a lot of time listening to, talking about, and synthesizing ideas, and I can also effectively market those ideas to people who need to hear them (that is, companies who want to listen and adapt), isn't that a win? Couldn't that be my way to make a positive contribution to open access and linked data and personalized medicine and these causes that I already believe passionately in? - Mr. Gunn

"Couldn't that be my way to make a positive contribution to open access and linked data and personalized medicine and these causes that I already believe passionately in?" YES, absolutely, you are already doing this very well. If you can make a living out of it, I salute you :-) - Nils Reinton

Perhaps consider not just consultancy for companies, but also undertake work for public sector agencies (major libraries or funders), charities or not-for-profit companies. - Frank Norman

Mr. Gunn - sure I think such a person would definitely be worthwhile to us! I was referring to people who do not know you: if you approach them and tell them you work for company X, my bet is that most of them will think "ah, he's a failed scientist trying to get me to use their products". Of course, this doesn't stop people from using company X's products (or sales reps would die out... more... - Björn Brembs

this is a great thread, Mr. Gunn, cheers for starting it, very interesting points, everyone; I would like to second Nils and Frank, and I think that some journals might also be interested in your advice (and community liaison work) and that this would certainly be a great service for anyone near to being an OA and linked data addict - isn't this a pretty wide range of users? we might create a list of arguments that you might wish to choose from when talking to journal publishers - test them on me ;-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

Mr Gunn...you might know me from the ChemSpider system. For almost 3 years ChemSpider was run as a "for the community" project at my cost. i.e. My wife and kids lost a lot of access to me, despite the fact that I worked from home. It did NOT pay any bills...it just about covered costs. No, I was a consultant for a number of companies and worked hard for them, traveled a lot and used my... more... - Antony Williams

OT b/c it's blog not job related *but* I would cite this FF thread at some stage in this one. http://ff.im/YB4p from Feb '09. - Graham Steel

Nils, thanks! Frank - that's a great idea. Can anyone put me in touch with someone at one of those agencies/companies? Björn - I see what you mean. Online rep doesn't translate offline automatically. Claudia - I've got a series of arguments, gleaned over the years from participation here and elsewhere. Can I send you an email? Antony - yes, I'm familiar with your work, and I have a... more... - Mr. Gunn

Mr. Gunn, one thing I've noticed in recent conversation with doctors (not academic MDs) is that most do not know much at all about OA, aren't sure what to make of a statistics-rich, data-driven science environment (or how to connect that data to actual human patients), and are leery about packages being hawked to them. Many are similar to me in age, meaning they didn't grow up in a... more... - Mickey Schafer

Well, I see myself being able to help in explaining these issues, but I don't think I'd get too far hawking products. I'm just not that kind of person. - Mr. Gunn

Even products you truly believed were worthwhile? - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Yeah, I just don't think I'm the salesman type. I think I'm more effective developing ideas than products. - Mr. Gunn

You don't have to be a salesman to develop products. Product development requires a better understanding of customer needs than anything else out there. Being a product manager was one of the most satisfying jobs of my life - Deepak Singh from IM

Mr. Gunn -- I wasn't suggesting that you represent product -- actually, I was thinking more in terms of a "knowledge broker" -- the slow adoption of some technologies (whatever they may be) is often b/c the persons needing the tools don't know how to evaluate them -- sometimes, they may not know how to evaluate their own needs. Having an expert who can help someone understand the landscape, help them make choices based on needs (as opposed to sales pitches) is a very valuable resource. Just a thought! - Mickey Schafer

Another area that is worth looking at, though probably represents a short term play, is that there are lots of people out there putting out calls for tenders to do small research projects in the Social Media/Publishing/Data/Science space. Again its patchy, and not regular but with some reliable money coming in from e.g. editing and writing this kind of work could do two things, firstly... more... - Cameron Neylon

MrG, did you get my email? I sent it to a gmail address that I have listed for you in my address book. - Bill Hooker

Yes, I got the one you sent and I really appreciate it. I do plan to follow up when I get back into town. - Mr. Gunn

Claudia Koltzenburg

? any author here who uses, e.g., WebCite http://www.webcitation.org/, for sustainable references of multimedia files?

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I am planning to use WebCite for my thesis. - 'Mummi' Thorisson

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I use WebCite, but it caused considerable confusion the one time I did so in a formal publication. I sent a letter to the editor at Haematologica, and after several rounds of cluelessness I simply gave up. Part of the cluelessness was that they clearly did not understand WebCite, and wanted me to "verify the date on which I accessed the cited web resources" or some such. Dinosaurs. - Bill Hooker

I 'm afraid there is so many Dinosaurs in our world of Science , especially in medical community ..:( - Ana Ivkovic

I've got some webcite used in a paper coming soon in a PLoS Journal near you - unfortunately they caught my slightly sneaking citations and pushed them into the main text body rather than the references but nonetheless it is a useful service. - Cameron Neylon

thank you, none of my tests has given any positive results for multimedia files, though, did this work out for yours? - Claudia Koltzenburg

No I didn't try with multimedia - as I've not got it to work in the past. Webcite just archives an html copy as I understand it, so multimedia wouldn't be expected to work. Its a problem. - Cameron Neylon

Claudia - as you've just seen http://ff.im/aW3GI we did archive Excel files - I would imagine multimedia files such as m4v might work too - although you would need to supply the viewer - Jean-Claude Bradley

this sounds like a splendid idea, Jean-Claude, has anyone tried this out yet - supplying the viewer? would this actually be done during the archiving procedure on the WebCite server? - Claudia Koltzenburg

not that I know of Claudia - Jean-Claude Bradley

Jean-Claude Bradley

Science 2.0 en francais - http://www.sciencepresse.qc.ca/node...

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Pascal Lapointe - Ce texte est paru initialement dans l'édition de novembre 2008 de la revue Découvrir - Jean-Claude Bradley

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first time I've seen a French translation of "Open Notebook" = "carnet de notes libre" - Jean-Claude Bradley

Lapointe: "Pourquoi attendre un an quand on peut entamer un dialogue qui se mesure en semaines, voire en jours?" - ff: heures :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

Somewhat strange conclusion: "Bémol : dans notre société, le journaliste est le seul à pouvoir creuser un problème controversé sans risquer d’être accusé de conflit d’intérêt. Si on se réjouit de voir des scientifiques jeter un pont vers un public élargi, en parallèle, on a toutes les raisons de s’inquiéter de ce qui subsistera, dans 30 ans, d’une information scientifique libre et... more... - Daniel Mietchen

a 30 year time frame is unpredictable IMO - Jean-Claude Bradley

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Fwd: Research 2.0 Concept Model - http://www.flickr.com/photos... (via http://friendfeed.com/habib...)

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The Research 2.0 Concept Model above is an evolution of the Academic Library 2.0 Concept Models developed for my Master's Paper (http://mchabib.com/2006... ). While the original model primarily focused on academic library services for students, the new model focuses on services for researchers. Like in the original models, the top represents communication spaces grounded in physical space, while the bottom mirrors this in the online realm. Two ends of the spectrum are informal communications and formal communications. My argument is that Research 2.0 falls somewhere between these extremes. A full presentation is located here: http://www.slideshare.net/habibmi... - Michael Habib

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The above Scholarly Identity 2.0 Concept Model takes the series of concept models one step farther, but with a slightly different twist. The divide between online and offline scholarly communication is largely meaningless, so has been discarded. The spectrum in this case is more specific with one end being entirely user-generated content and the other traditional scholarly... more... - Michael Habib

Michael - interesting stuff. Do you have that paper you mentioned published by now (blog post is dated mid-2006). I would like to mention some of this in my thesis and cite your publication of course. - 'Mummi' Thorisson

some comments here http://ff.im/aXOKZ, - so what's your thesis about, 'Mummi' Thorisson? - Claudia Koltzenburg

Thesis located here: http://hdl.handle.net/1901/356 and the title is "Toward Academic Library 2.0: Development and Application of a Library 2.0 Methodology" - Michael Habib

Claudia - the overall theme is data publication and the role of data standards, federated database networks and digital identity in facilitating/encouraging data sharing. The context is research into correlation between genotype and phenotype, or medical genetics/genomics more generally. Have a look at this review published last year that i co-authored with my supervisor: "Genotype-phenotype databases: challenges and solutions for the post-genomic era" - http://dx.doi.org/10... - 'Mummi' Thorisson

Nice. Thanks Michael!! - 'Mummi' Thorisson

The second (right) model above on identity is the more interesting of the two. If you are going to look at just one.... - Michael Habib

Interesting social status implications here, especially with the second model. The more robust both sides of the scholar2.0 identity components (UGC + trad), the "deeper" the 2.0 identity (think tag clouds as the metaphor here). Or, perhaps color combos is a better metaphor, with schol.identity2.0 being a mix of UCG (say, "yellow"), trad (say "blue") and combo being "green" -- the shade... more... - Mickey Schafer

Michael Habib

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interesting, thanks. Some questions and a comment: Why place journal articles in 'physical' only? there are excellent e-only journals and hence e-only articles. Also, the traditional concept of an 'article' is changing, so, given interactive elements and all, I guess what you call an 'article' may come in a new shape (just consider, e.g., OAI-ORE) and might well move towards what you mark as central affairs of 'Research 2.0' - Claudia Koltzenburg

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nice. I would place Wikipedia further towards formal myself and on a trajectory heading further in that direction. Peer review on WP can be as rigorous and infuriating as any journal. Not always of course but sometimes and becoming more so. - Cameron Neylon from fftogo

Thanks for the fast feedback. I am working on blog posts to put the two diagrams into more context. The lines between online/informal/UGC and print/formal/traditional are certainly blurred more than the diagram highlights. It is my hope that by situating items in their traditional orientations on these scales, I can better demonstrate the blurring of those lines to a general audience. I will take all feedback into consideration when preparing a second version. - Michael Habib

What did you have in mind when you put private sharing as "more formal" than public sharing? - Mr. Gunn

Not sure now that I look again. I don't think I would put private sharing there anymore - Michael Habib

Richard Akerman

US, UK, Australia and New Zealand now all have official national-level open data sites.

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thank you, where exactly can these be accessed? - Claudia Koltzenburg

http://data.gov/ , http://data.gov.uk/ (registered access only) , http://data.australia.gov.au/ , http://data.govt.nz/ - Richard Akerman from BuddyFeed

ScienceOnline2010: Walter Jessen

Contemplating ScienceOnline 2010 Sessions on Medical Journalism and Science 2.0 - http://www.walterjessen.com/contemp... (via http://friendfeed.com/wjjesse...)

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see my comment at http://ff.im/aU7sD and http://www.walterjessen.com/contemp... - Claudia Koltzenburg

ScienceOnline2010

RT @wjjessen Contemplating ScienceOnline 2010 Sessions on Medical Journalism and Science 2.0 http://www.walterjessen.com/contemp... #scio10

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there is a mindmap up that might provide a few clues re barriers, http://www.mindmeister.com/3016825... Part 4: 'Open Science' revisited: Which kind of 'openness' and for whom? see in particular the branch on "'open' accessibility", - this branch could be the start for a new mindmap that looks more closely at "What are the social and cultural obstacles to widespread adoption of Medicine 2.0 and Science 2.0?" - Claudia Koltzenburg

there might also be technical and legal obstacles to consider in detail - Claudia Koltzenburg

publishing 'fair trade': Claudia Koltzenburg

OA journals that have no author charges, or, maybe alternatively: full waivers of author charges? do you know of a list anywhere?

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I know of Beilstein Journal of Organic Chemistry : http://www.beilstein-journals.org/bjoc... - Anna Croft

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The majority of OA journals do not charge author-side fees -- see http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphle... and http://www.earlham.edu/~peters... and http://www.sennoma.net/main... - Bill Hooker

Also of possible interest: a 2005 study showed that 75% of toll-access journals DO charge author-side fees (http://www.alpsp.org/ngen_pu...), and I have tried to estimate the average author-side fee charged by TA journals (see http://www.sennoma.net/main...) -- the figure I arrived at is $909 - $1136 per article, which is consistent with the handful of self-reported figures I have been able to find. - Bill Hooker

Remember that the author-side income is in addition to subscription income for these TA journals; I updated a 2004 study by Philip Davis and came up with an estimated average subscription cost per article of $970 - $1750. My data point to the upper figure being the more reliable, so that gives us $1879 to $2886, with a better guess of $2659 to $2886, as the likely per-article income... more... - Bill Hooker

That is roughly consistent with the charges levied by most hybrid programs (TA journals which will, for an extra fee, make an article OA), most of which cost around $3000. - Bill Hooker

Some good info on waivers at PLoS, BMC and Hindawi here: http://www.arl.org/sparc... - Bill Hooker

Just noticed about this journal : It is free to submit articles to Bioscience Education; no author, colour or page charges. http://www.bioscience.heacademy.ac.uk/journal... - Khader Shameer

thanks a lot, Anna, Bill and Khader :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

AJCann to AJCann's feed, The Life Scientists

OK, I give in -anyone got a spare Wave invite for me? Thanks.

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I'd be happy to receive an invite, too :-) thanks - Claudia Koltzenburg

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Oh is this where the Wave queue is? *stands in line* - Bob O'Hara

No cutting in! :-) - AJCann

Can I have your email address - please. I have 5 invites. - Khader Shameer

steelgraham7 AT gmail DOT com - Graham Steel

AJCann and Graham : both of you are invited. Got 4 more to share - pls send email address. - Khader Shameer

Thanks Khader. - AJCann

sent you a direct message w/ my email address - Michael Kuhn

If anyone in Wave has spares can they also check the Life Scientists invite list? Drop me you're Wave address (I'm cameronneylon@googlewave.com) and I can add you - Cameron Neylon from twhirl

Khader or anyone nice, here's mine: ctt.journal at googlemail.com - Claudia Koltzenburg

Khader, if you still have some, I am mikael dot huss at the same domain as Claudia above - Mikael Huss

@ajcann ha!! Knew you couldn't last - are you ajcann? I'll attempt to add u to some stuff.... - Jo Badge from iPod

Hi Khader. neil.swainston_AT_manchester.ac.uk if there are any spares. Thanks. - Neil Swainston

andrew.sid.lang AT gmail DOT com if you can - thanks! - Jean-Claude Bradley

Send invites to Michael, Claudia and Huss. Sorry Neil and Bradley. - Khader Shameer

that's ok Khader - we'll keep trying - Jean-Claude Bradley

For the public record, I didn't receive a Wave invite from Khader :-( - Graham Steel

Graham, that was a too early announcement :|, usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation. In Wave's own words "Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. " - Khader Shameer

"usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation" I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing this out, Khader. Thank you kindly for sending out the invites... - Graham Steel

Yeah, See you on wave Graham :) ! - Khader Shameer

Thanks anyway, Khader. - Neil Swainston

May as well add my name to the list of those left behind ! elbuono AT gmail DOT com - Ian Simpson from twhirl

still holding out - I know that if I get one of these, I'll get sucked into the Waveome and my thesis will soo *never* be done in time! - 'Mummi' Thorisson

Got few more invites: added Ashish, Lucas, Andrew, Carl, Ian :) - Khader Shameer

Mummi send me your gmail ID. - Khader Shameer

Daniel Mietchen to Daniel's feed, Science 2.0, Brain morphometry, Primate brain MRI, Evolutionary MRI

How to incorporate Open Science into a grant proposal on primate brain morphometry? - http://etherpad.com/Open-Sc...

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I plan to submit the proposal by the end of the month and naturally want it to be as strong as possible but still able to pass the review. - Daniel Mietchen from Bookmarklet

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No idea what discipline they will assign the project to but the focus is on adapting a set of computational morphometric tools (so far basically only used in clinical settings) to comparative evolutionary studies of brain structure across species, starting with primates. - Daniel Mietchen

If you do not like TeX, a pdf of that section is at http://dl.getdropbox.com/u... . For the moment, I cannot put the whole proposal online but would be happy to make it accessible in private to anyone interested. - Daniel Mietchen

Background on the methodology: http://dx.doi.org/10... and http://en.citizendium.org/wiki... . - Daniel Mietchen

Would it be useful to add to the "Hypotheses" section one of the sort "Many can solve problems better than the few" (quote from http://jopm.org/index... )? How should that be phrased out, knowing that one research project will be just one data point in the assessment of this hypothesis? - Daniel Mietchen

I have now added one such hypothesis to the brain morphometric ones: "Research requiring distributed expertise and/ or instrumentation~-- like this project~-- benefits from being conducted in the open \citep{Patil:2009p56609,Gowers:2009p60590}." It is clear though, that this project cannot be more than just one data point in the comparison between research conducted in the open or in the traditional way. Still thinking about how to phrase this. - Daniel Mietchen

Had to remove the latter hypothesis during in-house pre-submission peer review - "don't be too innovative if you want to get funded". - Daniel Mietchen

which IMHO indicates that scientists who want to get innnovtaive stuff funded should help innovative thinkers get into good funder positions, doesn't it ;-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

Jo Badge

Having drawn a mind map for a review I'm writing, and tagged papers in citeulike, I'd really like a program (wave?) to put the two together. It would show me where the gaps were, how the papers related to one another and maybe suggest anything I'd missed from the bibliography of the papers I'd read. Maybe then it would write it for me too ;-)

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which tool are you using for the mindmap, Jo? - Claudia Koltzenburg

I would be interested in knowing as well - are you using a specific tool for the mindmap? - Zephyrus

Actually I used a price of paper and a pencil but don't tell anyone ;-) - Jo Badge from iPod

Claudia Koltzenburg

functional citations – what exactly do we want them to do?

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(Cameron, http://friendfeed.com/claudia...): “A date stamped version of a dynamic document would be a simple example of such a thing but is there a fundamental objection to a / process/ being part of a citation? i.e. take object x and do this set of things to it to see what I saw...” how does this description link to this example http://ff.im/8Dxbc ? -- added later: would any export to WebCite® make the citation a functional citation - or is this overdoing it? :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

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has anyone seen a different term for such a group of items /processes/ around? - Claudia Koltzenburg

latest version of a description, maybe: "take this data from over here and process using that script over there and then display it on this graph so you can see you get the same thing - and more importantly you can start fiddling if you have concerns" http://friendfeed.com/cameron... - Claudia Koltzenburg

does this compare with a methods paper? protocols can be cited if they are published - Mike Chelen

maybe it does, Mike, sounds like an interesting idea, hence two more words, please, on what comparison factors more exactly? - Claudia Koltzenburg

AJCann

Leveraging FriendFeed for authentic science education - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...

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I'm looking for input on this, so comments please. - AJCann from Bookmarklet

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hm, interesting, AJCann, my comment would be: why be prescriptive (only) - students are inventive, let us see what else THEY might think up for everyone's science-related benefit, let students teach us about what they like doing on the web and where - and build these possibly upcoming habits into OUR research processes :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

While I tend to agree in principle, these are first year undergraduates Claudia, and they need quite a lot of guidance at this stage of their careers, otherwise the majority would flounder. - AJCann

One of the nice things is that it is open ended. Prescriptive provides them a way in but there is plenty of opportunity to take it further if the student finds it useful and engaging - Cameron Neylon

good points, thanks, and, yes, well, I am not officially teaching ;-) so your experience is certainly based on larger numbers of students. In running our OA journal, we do continuous wiki-based co-training, so I am mostly learning, really, from my Russian student assistants - and that is fascinating, hence my observation :-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

AJ - looks like a good plan. So far I have not made the FF assignments in my class mandatory (worth no more than 2% of final grade) but I do that because I have about 200 students. With smaller classes it certainly could work. BTW - I don't even teach RSS anymore :) - Jean-Claude Bradley

I have 200 students :-) I wonder about RSS, FF is a sort of halfway-house replacement to a full strength RSS reader like Google Reader. - AJCann

ouch - that is a lot - I look forward to seeing ways you found to be effective for managing. I've only got 30 with mandatory wiki projects and it is bit tough to keep up. - Jean-Claude Bradley

I found this thread through the Friendfeed on Twitter group. I'm really excited to connect to all of you! - Holly Rae

I ran Friendfeed past one of our students last night. They were quite enthusiastic, in fact a bit worried about getting addicted to "Facebook for science" and wondered if they'd be able to get any "work" done. - AJCann

That's great AJ - are you using a group or a room for your students? - it would be cool for my students to interact with yours on FF - I'll mention it at my class tomorrow.- I've told them in an informal way to pay attention to this room http://friendfeed.com/cheminfo - we could also set up a joint room where our students can learn from each other how make the best use of FF for their research projects - Jean-Claude Bradley

Sadly, our course started 4 weeks ago and we went with Google Reader and delicious rather than FriendFeed for this year. I now have to wait a whole year until I can roll this out. How I wish I could turn the clock back 4 weeks! - AJCann

too bad - next time then - Jean-Claude Bradley

"we could also set up a joint room" - sounds like a very good experiment to me, it could be a public room, of course - Claudia Koltzenburg

I will never set up a private room on FF - defeats the purpose - Jean-Claude Bradley

:-) - Claudia Koltzenburg

Private rooms can be useful for some purposes, e.g. administration, data archiving. - AJCann

yeah there are uses, they are just rare. for example, it is possible to import private rss feeds (such as facebook notifications) and manually screen them - Mike Chelen

I am willing to acknowledge private rooms might have some applications - sometimes it just feels good to be categorical :) - Jean-Claude Bradley

AJ -- I've done something similar to this, but using a reader, academic bookmarking system, and class blog -- students (undergrads, but 4th in this case) got to choose reader and bookmarking system. None would use Delicious b/c it wasn't sufficiently "academic" looking, nor does it have the citation tools they crave. But we communicated through the class blog, which was not so bad b/c... more... - Mickey Schafer

I'm more than happy for you to try out FriendFeed - please blog the result! :-) Although I'm generally in favour of a personal learning environment consisting of a distributed toolset, there's no doubt that this is difficult for students used to being force-fed institutional systems such as VLEs to get their heads around. In this regard, something of a Swiss Army knife like FriendFeed is attractive, as long as it doesn't turn into a cul de sac which doesn't lead anywhere. - AJCann

Thanks, so much! My intention is to get a blog started in January, maybe February 2010. Blogging is a much scarier prospect than FF has been... - Mickey Schafer

Daniel Mietchen

what's in a a name ? - danah michele boyd - http://www.danah.org/name.html

October 19 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

"I was always bothered by the fact that the first person singular pronoun is capitalized in english - i always thought it was quite self-righteous. Or, as Douglas Adams noted, "Capital letters were always the best way of dealing with things you didn't have a good answer to." Ever since i was a kid, i was told that the world does not revolve around me, yet our written culture is telling me something entirely different. Why not capitalize 'we' or 'they'?" - Daniel Mietchen from Bookmarklet

let us do some comparative exercises, e.g., in Russian, You (sing.) is capitalized - Claudia Koltzenburg

just the formal singular You (Вы) is capitalized, while the less formal one can go either way (Ты/ты) but is usually lower-case. To keep the comparison short - I do not know of any other language where "I" is written in capital letters. - Daniel Mietchen

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OA data peer-reviewed in the accompanying article: Sloan Digital Sky Survey (Data release papers) http://www.sdss.org/dr7...

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with thanks to Joachim Wambsganss (Heidelberg), "Open Access jenseits von Texten" in today's OA Week Auftaktveranstaltung in Munich http://www.allianz-initiative.de/de... - Claudia Koltzenburg

dr7 is a very interesting and thorough set of data (as is dr6)! really like the download options mentioned at http://www.sdss.org/dr7... - Mike Chelen

paula simoes ☃

European Commission » Internal Market » Copyright » Copyright in the Information Society - http://ec.europa.eu/interna...

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"The European Commission adopted a Communication on Copyright in the Knowledge Economy aiming to tackle the important cultural and legal challenges of mass-scale digitisation and dissemination of books, in particular of European library collections." - paula simoes ☃ from Bookmarklet

also interesting: "the EU will need to find a solution for orphan works, whose uncertain copyright status means they often cannot be digitised. Improving the distribution and availability of works for persons with disabilities, particularly the visually impaired, is another cornerstone of the Communication." - Claudia Koltzenburg

The solution for orphan works: transfer them to the Public Domain! - Marcos Marado

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