Rebooting The News

Follow up on the Garbage Girl in the next RBTN? - Dave Winer from Bookmarklet

Our special guest on this week’s podcast is Cody Brown. Show notes to come sooon, in the meantime, here’s the podcast. reboot09Nov02.mp3 (audio/mpeg, 10.3MB) Monday, November 2, 2009.

Listen live if you wish http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Rebooti... - Jay Rosen

In a few years we will look back at ‘Citizen Journalism’ as one of those funny things an established profession created to cope with what was obviously putting it out of business. It’s the equivalent, as USC professor Henry Jenkins points out, to someone calling a Ford a ‘Horseless Carriage’ around the turn of the 19th century. - Jay Rosen

"President Obama, a self-declared "big newspaper junkie," fears he might be forced to go cold turkey. "I am concerned that if the direction of the news is all blogosphere, all opinions, with no serious fact-checking, no serious attempts to put stories in context, that what you will end up getting is people shouting at each other across the void but not a lot of mutual understanding," he said last month to newspaper editors who asked about the crisis that threatens their industry and journalism in general." - Dave Winer from Bookmarklet

No, just like Sprint's WiMax service isn't a new protocol, and Verizon's LTE service. Twitter is one implementation of a new protocol with a nifty API, and while there is a new protocol there, it's below Twitter's service. We can't access and implement it. Dave shared his thoughts on the matter here: http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Michael Morisy

Our special guest on Rebooting the News #30 is Jeff Jarvis of Buzzmachine who teaches digital journalism at the City University of New York. "How I learned to stop worrying and love the fail whale." Dave will be presenting at the 140 characters conference in Los Angeles. "It's not bad news that we get the fail whale because it reminds us that there is life after Twitter." Bing, Google and Twitter search Big news in search of the live web last week. Dave: "Twitter may have just gotten embraced and extended. "Real time delivery of information: isn't that what news is?" Jeff: Tinker.com has had the fire hose from Twitter. They try to suss out what is emergent and topical in the stream; then they provide that to Reuters, which sees the value for news. Jay: "That's what I see: algorithmic tools that enable news providers to see what is of interest." Then you take that information and provide high quality editorial work that is more responsive to what's live now." Jeff: There are several...

My major agenda items for today's podcast are three: 1.) Twitter, Google Microsoft, real time search and all the implications therein, as discussed in Dave's post, Is Google/Microsoft/Twitter in the news business? http://www.scripting.com/stories... - Jay Rosen

which piece on innovation did you mean? probably it was this Tweet: Notice how no one says, "wait a minute, are these people *qualified* to be professional innovators?" http://jr.ly/9nhi NYT: Twitter Serves Up Ideas From Its Followers http://www.nytimes.com/2009... - Jay Rosen

Our special guest on Rebooting the News #30 is Jeff Jarvis of Buzzmachine who teaches digital journalism at the City University of New York. “How I learned to stop worrying and love the fail whale.” Dave will be presenting at the 140 characters conference in Los Angeles. “It’s not bad news that we get the fail [...]

Twitter lists, Google Wave, In Berkeley.com - Jay Rosen

future-safe archives, inberkeley.com, real-time NYT feed - Dave Winer

FriendFeed: losing altitude? The depopulation of FriendFeed after its purchase by Facebook. Dave: "It still works perfectly fine but there isn't the discussion that used to happen." Spec list for an improved Twitter What Jay wants in the "loosely coupled 140 character message network" being built outside of Twitter, the company: * Title for the post * Link I'm pointing to * The 140 character message itself * Replying to... (a url, which could be a Tweet or another web document) * Two addressees: people I am specifically talking to * Category, as "this is another elaboration on my Church of the Savvy theme." Dave: "Some day I should offer a one day crash course on RSS for poets. Because if you look at the RSS 2.0 specs, it allows for all the things you just asked for." The real time New York Times feed Dave explains an "egregious hack" he worked out for to get a stream of Times headlines in RSScloud-land CNN lameness watch CNN anchor Don Lemon, who had just appeared at BlogWorld with...

FriendFeed: losing altitude? The depopulation of FriendFeed after its purchase by Facebook. Dave: “It still works perfectly fine but there isn’t the discussion that used to happen.” Spec list for an improved Twitter What Jay wants in the “loosely coupled 140 character message network” being built outside of Twitter, the company: * Title for the post * Link I’m pointing to * [...]

Rebooting the News at ONA Jay did the show alone--bootstrapping the audio recording--and here it is. The participants pitched in to help. You can hear 18 different voices describing elements of the rebooted system of news. Ev Williams of Twitter on the List Also at ONA, Ev Williams, CEO of Twitter, was asked about criticims of the Suggested Users List by people like Robert Scoble and Dave Winer. In the course of explaining the Suggested Users List Ev said, "we don't think it's our job to editorialize." And he went on to explain that Twitter will soon introduce a new feature: the ability for users to create their own lists of suggested users, which other users could add in a single click. Dave: "They've had better ways of doing the Suggested Users List since before they started doing it...They screwed up the only authority system they had." Jay: The longer I have studied open systems, the more I realize that the only way they come to work is if three things emerge along with the open...

Thanks for the mention, Jay! Sometime soon I'll try to elaborate on the very old idea I mentioned in show #27: A uniform system for gathering structured data from the people formerly known as the audience. - Ryan Sholin

You know what we need most, is a visual on that... like, let's see the web form. - Jay Rosen

This was a special--and unusual--episode of Rebooting the News. Dave Winer and Jay Rosen were scheduled to do a live version of the show at the Online News Association conference in San Francisco, but, sadly, Dave's father died the night before. He had to return to New York to attend to family matters. So Jay did the show on his own with a live audience of 35 people. He decided to ask anyone who raised his or her hand to describe "an element of the rebooted system of news," and that became Rebooting the News #27. Condolences to Dave on the loss of his father. (His post is here.) Special thanks to Zack Seward of Nieman Lab who handled the mic, and to Greg Linch who videotaped the session. The following people can be heard on the show, which runs 65 minutes: Burt Herman, former John S. Knight fellow, Stanford University Daniel Bachhuber, executive director, CoPress Vindu Goel, deputy technology editor, New York Times Rachel Elson, managing editor, CBS MoneyWatch Russ Walker, executive...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Rebooti... - Dave Winer

If we have time, I'd love to talk about this Atlanta Journal Constitution note http://jr.ly/vnth - Jay Rosen