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Because @jowyang didn't tell me where he's going and I learned it anyway I am very tempted to tell the world to mess up his launch. :-)
A Mitchell, Bert DuMars, Roger Jennings and 56 other people liked this
so a startup then..
- Zee.
But I won't, because he's my friend and so are the other people involved. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the tease anyway. :)
- Steven Walling
Hmmmm...
- Simon Young
I hear he'll announce it "within days" and it's a pretty interesting gig.
- Robert Scoble
When will we find out Robert?
- Dave "Freedom 35"
friend = somebody reliable. keep it secret. keep it safe :)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Are there cameras involved?
- Simon Young
Funny. He didn't tell me because he thought I would tell everyone. :-)
- Robert Scoble
so go ahead and tell us! : )
- Teri Gidwitz
Teri: believe me, I'm tempted, just to teach him a lesson! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Rob you're such a trouble maker hahaha
- Jeunelle Foster
What I want to know: Who will replace him at Forrester?
- Dave "Freedom 35"
BTW, I dig the new avatar, glad the green is gone ;)
- Keith - @tsudo
Will he be interviewed on Building43?
- Simon Young
Dave: not possible to replace him, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
Well, payback is always worse. They're recruiting for a replacement at Forrester. Go look at his "former" blog; HR guy posted.
- Teri Gidwitz
Same here. Green was getting a bit putrid.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Simon: nah, it's not a building43 kind of thing.
- Robert Scoble
Big shoes indeed.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Oh. Interesting!
- Simon Young
Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this?
- James Stewart
Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool.
- Daniel Fath
Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes.
- courtney benson
Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else!
- Jodi Echakowitz
Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an...
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- James Stewart
FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :)
- Dave "Freedom 35"
James: real time TV: http://friendfeed.com/search... Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
haha oops - didn't know about that!
- James Stewart
James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
thx Robert ....thats super cool
- Johni Fisher
The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because...
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- James Stewart
Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :)
- James Stewart
Amazon?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (:
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
DBAD
- Josh Haley
Kim: heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
awww... ;-)
- Chris Heath
Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :)
- Rob La Gesse
Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert!
- Kami Huyse
bring @goodboyrumba along for the video! :)
- Rachel Luxemburg
"Be excellent to each other."
- Steve Rubel
Jeremiah: :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview?
- Elliott Ng
Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him.
- Josh Haley
I know those two things, Robert.
- Louis Gray
I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of
- Jesse Stay
Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers'
- Drew B
Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media?
- Nisse
Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I find the continual embargo deiscussions fascinating. I hope your trust is respected here.
- Drew B
from email
Is he going to disneyland?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and...
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- Robert Scoble
So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used.
- Brian Sullivan
I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well?
- Jesse Stay
The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass.
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut.
- Chris Heath
Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent.
- Jeremiah Owyang
What's the point here??
- Andru Edwards
nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I'm going to guess Jeremiah will join Dave Armano and Peter Kim and work for Dachis.
- Ari Herzog
Ari - that's my guess too.
- Hutch Carpenter
Now watch Scoble jump to Streamy right now to tell what Jeremiah is doing next. Ha!
- Bryan R. Adams
This is funny! "JeremiahGate" got love it :)
- Susan Beebe
Scoble is very good at keeping secrets and creating Buzz! :)
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Jeremiah! Excited for you.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I want a "Gate" named after me :-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, excellent start at creating the "buzz" for @jowyang 's launch LOL
- j damon brown
Link Baiting 101: Start a fight with Scoble.
- Jason Calacanis
Once again, calacanis ftw
- Chris Heath
from iPhone
Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust.
- Jeremy Pepper
Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated.
- Ian Betteridge
Group hug.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts.
- A Mitchell
A scene from one of the worst moments in social networking history:
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LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;)
- Vincenzo Piromalli
Facebook considers this such an important moment, the only representative from Facebook was Zuckerberg.
- Andy Bakun
Like taking candy from a baby. FF developers and concepts are ten times the platform FB is. But I guess Mark has superior Business skills so he steals it all. respect for Mark's business skills.
- Robert Higgins
:)
- Ebru Baranseli
Fwd: I think the friendfeed technology platform will help facebook integrate with more mainstream sites than FB connect ever could.(via http://friendfeed.com/jimschw...)
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Eg: I'm thinking CNN with friendfeed comments. Would be more real time, blend in more and be better organized. CNN would lose less identity
- Jim Schweitzer
Official Google Blog: Announcing the 10 Days in Google Books game - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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This looks really cool.
- Justin
Heard we can't enter, but still had fun taking the quiz
- Derek Coatney
Shooting diggnation on the patron train, this should be fun! http://yfrog.com/9ei2xj
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chooooo choooo!!!!! hehehehehe all aboaaaaard! Love trains!
- sofarsoShawn
That's really cool
- Angel
Okay guys, which knot do you tie when you knot your tie?
HealingBrush, Amir, Steven Perez and 96 other people liked this
I'm a four-in-hand man, myself.
- Kevin Fox
Windsor
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Same here, Kevin
- Derrick
Windsor
- Hiro Asari
Tie? Okay, I prefer the Shell but always forget how and do the Four in Hand.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Half Windsor/Windsor depending on the tie/shirt combo....
- Ross Miller
Looks like four-in-hand
- Neal Krummell
Always a Windsor
- Parth Awasthi
I'm a 1/2 Windsor
- jamar78
Four Hand
- Steve C
Half Windsor
- Alex Scoble
i usually do a four-in-hand. i think you need a longer tie to do the other three
- Alfredo
Windsor, but only on Sundays.
- Josh Haley
Alfredo: Just start with a shorter tail. Most ties are the same length.
- Ross Miller
No tie. Ever. Cuts off circulation to brain. :-)
- Piaw Na
Windsor
- Alex Scrivener
I'm of the House of Four-in-hand.
- Micah Wittman
half Windsor.
- Andrew C
Double Windsor here
- Rasmus Lauridsen
four in hand
- chrisofspades
I know I'm not a guy, but I do wear ties sometimes. I go for the Half Windsor for casual looks. The 4 in Hand for a more formal look.
- Admiral Anika
I always use Four in Hand, but the blokes in our London office seem to feel that is uncouth and anything but a Windsor is unacceptable.
- Christopher A. Wichura
Pretty sure I do a Windsor, but I don't wear ties very often.
- Jordan Hofker
Used to be Four in Hand (I actually thought it was a Half Windsor until just now) but then I learnt how to do a Windsor a few years ago, so I always do that now. Never seen the Shell before. That looks pretty interesting…
- Tony Ruscoe
from fftogo
When I do it myself, four in hand. When a lady is doing it for me, usually a windsor.
- Beau Liening
I think Four In Hand. Never think about it though. Would you believe once I started wearing ties again, I just googled "How to Tie A Tie"? So... I've done it the way that video said ever since. :)
- Louis Gray
Four In Hand
- Jeff
Four-in-hand
- Steve Lowe
Half Windsor unless it's a really long tie and then Windsor.
- Stephen Mack
Full Windsor with the "news caster dimple" in the center
- Christian (Simply X)
Half Windsor is what I learned from my dad. If I'm tired or my wife, Windsor.
- Edward Craddock
Half Windsor.
- Mark H
4 in hand. It's what my dad taught me.
- Bill Scherer
Four in hand. Had to think about this. Haven't worn a tie in ages.
- Hutch Carpenter
Windsor
- Vlado Handziski
half
- Marco
half I think... I always forget and play around with knots until it works.
- Dario Gomez
Looks like I do four-in-hand, though I never knew that's what it was called before. I never liked the fat look of the full-windsor.
- Cyrus Lendvay
Full Windsor always.
- Benjamin Golub
Four-in-hand.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Windsor
- alieb
Four in Hand :) I think it's the easiest!
- Ahmed Magdy (Pr0fess0rX)
I didn't know there was more than one way?!?!?!
- Julianne
Maybe Four in Hand, but I'm not sure my knots match any of those.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
4 In Hand or Half-Windsor. 4 in Hand is most versatile, but some of my shirts require the Half-Windsor because the collar is so wide. I need to learn some more knots though...
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
four in hand.
- motownmutt
Full windsor baby.
- Michael Leggett
Four-in-hand, although I had no idea how it was called. I'll play around with the other ones the next time I'm going to wear a tie -- some of my ties are too long, and the four-in-hand knot is often slightly uneven.
- Tudor Bosman
from email
Clip?
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Windsor. If you master it, it's the most professional looking knot.
- Jason Huebel
Time to learn a new knot!
- Daniel Krech
Four in hand, but the windsor definitely looks better. I do half-windsor on occasion
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Shell knot for me. It looks almost as good as a full windsor but leaves enough length for us longer torso'd gentlemen.
- Antonio Yon
Only one choice, he Windsor. My Dad taught it to me as a kid and I'll teach it to my kids.
- Mark Edwards
Windsor.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Half windsor
- Bryan R. Adams
Four in Hand and Windsor. The Windsor is classic, but the Four in Hand allows for a near-perfect dimple under the knot.
- O.Shane
I've never been wearing a tie. And I probably will never do so.
- Ton Zijp
Four-in-hand. Windsor knot way too "Dress for success" "Johnny Carson" bulky for me.
- John Craft
four-in-hand.
- Nine
Half-Winsor, but my beard usually covers the knot.
- Robert Hafer
Four-in-hand
- Andy Dustman
Generally a four-in-hand but I like a good windsor.
- Aaron Hood
Why on earth would you willingly put this noose around your own neck?
- DGentry
I like ties.
- Jason Huebel
four in hand. but i haven't worn a tie since 2005 and that was for a handful of interviews.
- Joe Silence is not Santa
half windsor
- Steve
Windsor, best dimple, most symmetric, least anemic
- Bill de hÓra
depends on the tie, half-windsor if the fabric is thin and the four in hand looks wimpy
- Louis Simoneau
Four-in-Hand
- Mitch
Half Windsor.
- Brandon
What? No one uses a clip-on?
- Morton Fox
I am relieved to know that the four-in-hand is a legit tie knot. I always felt a little embarrassed thinking I didn't know the "real" way to knot a tie.
- invariant - farewell FF
Windsor.
- Kevykev
I know exactly what you mean invariant
- Mitch
Four in hand. Everything else is a waste of time. And annoying when you have to start over...
- Steve Lacey
Four in hand here also
- Joe Dawson
Four in hand.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Depends on tie and collar. Windsor or half Windsor.
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I an with Jeff it depends on the collar and the tie and also the event.
- John Cooper
from fftogo
Windsor is symmetric, but I can only handle Four in Hand. Fortunately I'm not a man.
- Burcu Dogan
Half Windsor for me please.
- Emilio_M
Windsor
- Rodfather
The full Windsor knot is just too bulky for anything but the best silk ties. At school I was lazy and wore a four-hand knot, but on the rare occasions that I sport a tie now it's the half-Windsor
- Slappy Line
I see that I invented Windsor by myself(i.e. none showed me but I knot windsor). Four in hand is the most popular style in Turkey btw.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
four in hand ...quickest easiest n still has a sexy dimple
- viki saigal
Windsor, it's the only one I know
- Richard Lawler
Windsor
- Daniel W. Crompton
Half Windsor
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
At last something practical I could use! lol
- Kevin J Hatton
Half-Windsor or Four-In-Hand depending on the shirt and the width of the tie.
- ha3rvey (just a friend)
(OT) Friendfeed do need a poll feature
- Jérôme Flipo
I ran the Men's Furnishings area at Robinson's (when there was a JW Robinson's) and men would call have us pick 5 shirts and 5 ties to go with a couple suits for a week long business trip. Almost everyone of them asked that we tie the tie and put it on the shirt so they could loosen it - and wear it without re-tieing the tie! My knot of choice? Half Windsor!
- Robyn Hawk
Windsor.
- Steven Perez
Half Windsor
- Threepwood
Windsor
- Phill Price
Half-Windsor
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
learned to do a four in hand myself after watching someone else do it. However, I detest ties - horrible things. Was forced to wear one thru school and when I started work. After the 4th time I caught it under my knee while crawling under desks I refused to wear one. When I did one of my vertical slice episodes last month where I dressed up as the spy from TF2 was the first time I had worn a tie since about 2002. No time for them soul sappers. Next up, abolition of the suit! ;)
- alphaxion
Actually, after looking at this again, I do the Full Windsor
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Dell's new Z: I am throwing away my Mac when this comes out: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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I can't tell you how I got this photo and I can't tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell that has me slobbering in a very long time.
- Robert Scoble
Really??
- Gerry Realtyman Bourgeois
Hey, T'row it ober here!
- Gary Etie
Still Windoze-infected, right?
- Bill L
Can you give us more details on the configuration and the size factor?
- Amit Nangare
just like you threw away your Iphone for the Pre.
- nesman89
Instead of throwing your Mac away, can I have it?
- Victor Ganata
The Dell Z looks awesome
- johnny2009
I'll buy your Mac....uh, you take checks, right?
- Mike Lewis
problem with Dell computers, is they still run Windows. Unless you want to deal with Linux
- Andrew Lombardi
I agree with John
- Mike Brewer
Er, okay. Does it run OS X?
- Grant Goodale
well good luck with that! :-)
- teymur madjderey
Didn't you say something similar about the Nokia N97 a few months ago?
- Beau Giles
You've got to tell me more than that for me to believe why you might throw your Mac away??
- Aaron Myers
Really - with the build quality they are renown for!!
- Ian Lewis
If it runs windows 7 then at least there is some reason for this madness. Anything else and you've completely lost your mind!
- Devlin Dunsmore
Amit: I can't explain why, sorry, but this will get a lot of attention and Apple will have to react to it. Why do you think Apple has been attacking Windows 7?
- Robert Scoble
Looks like a "laptop" and it's "black".
- thund3rbox
Yes, it looks sleek, but it's still a Dell.
- Bob Young
Dude! You're getting a Dell!
- Andrew Lombardi
From the keyboard, it looks like a 15.4" or 17" widescreen that's super thin. (keyboard is chiklet-style)
- Eugene Hsu
You can't throw out your mac! You'll eventually be crawling back.
- Matt Ruiz
Yes, I got excited by the Palm Pre but I don't think I said the Pre would get me to throw away my iPhone. Of course we don't know what Apple will do but this will make Apple guys at least raise their eyebrows.
- Robert Scoble
Throwing away your Mac is a bad idea.
- Louis Gray
May I suggest to sell The Original Scoble MacBook Pro on ebay and hand the money in for charity?
- Ralf Rottmann
NokiaN97 does widescreen videos with new Qik, by the way. iPhone doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Don't throw your Mac away!! Keep it as 'backup', you might need it ... ;) ;)
- Ronald
Asgod: believe me Engadget will be all over this.
- Robert Scoble
This was rolled out to selected laptop users 4-5 months ago, wasn't it? Lots of drooling, if I recall. But you should keep your Mac as a backup. And so far as "I can't tell you how I got this photo ..." is concerned, what's with the name tag on the fellow doing the Vana White?
- Bob Young
Devilin, why would it not run Win7?
- Christopher A Carr
Louis: I will give away my Mac instead of throwing it away.
- Robert Scoble
i will take it robert :)
- Allen Stern
Robert, how about donating it to JHTC (for auctioning) to help us launch our charitable arm?
- Bill L
Looks kind of clunky, seams don't match, build quality doesn't look near the Mac so there must be something that's not obvious.
- PXLated
I will fight Allen for it Robert
- Jesse Stay
PXLated: Clunky? Really?
- Christopher A Carr
BTW, that looks like the NYSE - sounds like you met a Dell rep on the floor?
- Jesse Stay
Ya, in the pics with the black and gape-looking seams
- PXLated
I'm a Mac and nothing Dell does could change that
- Dean Kakridas
Hmmm..."throw away"...does that mean Dell's going eco-friendly like Apple?
- Jesse Stay
Um, if you're going to throw it away I'll take your Mac!!
- Mona Nomura
Looks real thin though
- PXLated
Mona you have to fight Allen and I for it first
- Jesse Stay
I'm thinking full solid state, very fast
- Jesse Stay
Nooo... I wanted a Dell 15' with nice reso but no HD. Not avaliable in Europe. I had to buy a MacBook Pro. Received today. Nice but I loved my Latitude.
- Jérôme Flipo
BTW, nice tattoo's Robert! When did you get those?
- Dean Kakridas
And with that very light and low on heat
- Jesse Stay
so what's the specs on it ? intel T9900, DDR3?
- Khaled A
over at notebookreview there is a huge thread about it already http://bit.ly/pp83N
- Ronald
touch screen? that doesn't seem mac-trash-worthy. flips around like a tablet, with touch screen? nah. super battery with built in wimax or 4G connectivity? maybe.
- Chip Ramsey
Dean, per the nametag that's @rockmanusa, Robert's producer/photographer
- Jesse Stay
WOW!
- Holly Rae
I'm intrigued by the google map you have attached with it ... battery park city?! Sounds quite interesting indeed, but I won't be interested, unless it can polish my shoes, feed the cats, and wash itself every 3 hours :) Ohh I wouldn't mind if it has a proper multi-touch trackpad.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
^^ :D ^^
- Ronald
found a page with more pictures http://www.pclaunches.com/noteboo...
- Khaled A
PXlated: I think I beat Engadget with a photo. It is an early prototype.
- Robert Scoble
mona vs. jesse vs. me = steel cage match for robert's laptop
- Allen Stern
at photos: make,make plz !!!
- Ronald
Allen: count me in if you want to upgrade to a steel cage, ladder match
- Shivanand Velmurugan
I know, I was kidding :)
- Dean Kakridas
from email
i need a mac so i can make an iphone app for cc - unless someone wants to make one for me :)
- Allen Stern
Allen: CC? Creative Commons?
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Robert the suspense is killing me!!!!!
- Chris Henderson
Other pics still don't turn me on - But, I like my Mac/OSX, have gotten great support at the Apple stores, there's more than just the box.
- PXLated
cc = cloudcontacts my startup
- Allen Stern
Asgod: I broke all sorts of rules to get this photo. Photography is expressly not allowed where I am. It is geek heaven though.
- Robert Scoble
robert - you might want to crop out the person's name who is in the photo :)
- Allen Stern
Robert: So how did we get a photograph then?! (good ol' don't give a crap about the rulez eh? :) ) A lot of hype, it better be seriously good :)\
- Shivanand Velmurugan
it was leaked a few days earlier on another site though :>
- Khaled A
Good luck with that. Whatever helps you get the job done efficiently is OK w/me.
- barl0w
Allen I'm in - we'll do it when I'm out there in July. I warn you - I don't play by the rules though.
- Jesse Stay
"Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead" (Pulp Fiction)
- Andrew Eglinton
jesse - i will use all the social networks against you! i think mona's finisher is the fail whale
- Allen Stern
Allen, careful, I know the "Twitter Game"
- Jesse Stay
Allen & Jesse: Blood, gore .. is what we are looking for (throw in the ladder, and ustream it! ) :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
And what about the Techcrunch Crunchpad?
- Francine Hardaway
to be the twitter you gotta beat the twitter
- Allen Stern
intel U9300 1.2GHz? that's not a very powerful cpu... what's your mac, scoble? an iBook?
- Khaled A
Eh...
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
but a 2 pounds 16" notebook? that's interesting ...
- Khaled A
holly plant the Dell seed! thanks for the heads up.game changer?
- Jeff Marmins
Hmm, a 16" that weighs about the same as my Lenovo s10 netbook?
- Christopher A Carr
that's according the specs posted by Brian Hill: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpos...
- Khaled A
Who's the bigger sucker here ... Scoble ... or those sucked in by this post
- Don Strickland
are you serious? c'mon, it's a PC! The main component of any computer is not the hardware, it's SOFTWARE.
- Konstantin
Don: it does a few things your Mac doesn't.
- Robert Scoble
Konstantin: really? Why don't you use a Mac Classic then and why do all Mac fans slobbering when new hardware comes out? Finally you should try Windows 7 on your Mac. You might be surprised. I am running Windows 7 on my Mac.
- Robert Scoble
Francine: I am buying Crunchpads for a different reason.
- Robert Scoble
Can I just point out did a search for "scoble 'Palm Pre' 'throw away'" to see what you said back at CES... and Google already has the comments on this thread indexed?
- Ken Sheppardson
Jeff: I think this Dell will help Microsoft poke Apple in the eye again.
- Robert Scoble
I saw the specs, and it just doesn't *seem* that spectacular. Maybe it makes waffles and prints money...
- Carlton Prest
Ken: Google is getting faster, huh?
- Robert Scoble
so what will they call this new class of notebooks? under powered under 10" are netbooks. U9300 based 16" would be called .. hmm wafflebook
- Khaled A
Robert: Yeah, it's not Track, but I suspect it's certainly getting close enough for 80%+ of the population.
- Ken Sheppardson
Carlton: they have kept a few things secret.
- Robert Scoble
... the 80%+ who haven't used Track, that is ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
As I expected. Do you have any idea as to when they'll officially announce this?
- Carlton Prest
Carlton by when Microsoft ships Windows 7.
- Robert Scoble
facial recognition - that's a strange rumor.
- Chip Ramsey
I should expect Dell middle east to make a crappy keyboard print: http://twitpic.com/6o2rc redundancy fails
- Khaled A
finally: it is a Dell...
- Ronald
Nice, thanks for the heads up Robert. Don't mind the fanboy's calling you a heretic. ;)
- Adi
Has me curious. I'm not going to be so bold as to claim in an Apple "fanboish" way that nothing can possibly beat Apple.
- Angus Burton
19 hours of battery is impressive if true
- Brian Hill
"I can't tell you how I got this photo" -- Perhaps by standing next to Rocky as he held one on the NYSE floor yesterday? :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
100+ comments later... mission completed. You won't throw or give away your Mac for a Dell w/ Win 7
- Jonathan Brown
You'll hurt your shoulder carrying that thing around, but man, what a great screen!!
- RobinDotNet
Looks like picture was taken at the New York Stock Exchange. Maybe it's a multi-touch screen?
- Steve de Mena
Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: I have a bag with wheels for my Mac so my shoulder is OK. The photo was taken tonight.
- Robert Scoble
Microsoft Bing: We did not find any results for "tell you why I am dumping my Mac when this comes out but this is the first Dell" ~ giggle
- Don Strickland
This is why I f--- with you, Scoble. You always keep me on point. I'll keep an eye out for this "Z" you're referring to.
- © b e e n s w a n k
must have a oled display
- Jim Posner
I'm guessing it loads the Building43 site 10% faster, or it has Building43 bookmarked out of the box.
- Steve Wright
Im guessing touchscreen
- Kashif Khan
I'm glad you have a wheelie bag, now you can buy it with impunity and wheel it through airports all over the world, feeling happy about your awesome laptop. :-) (How much does it weigh?)
- RobinDotNet
@Robert "Steve: all I can say is it has stuff Apple doesn't yet do...." TBH, there has been a lot of things the Macbook line hasn't been up to par feature wise for a long time. This isn't nothing new. My 1yr old XPS has eSATA, "F/W", "ExpressCard", 10in1 MMC, Biometrics, HDMI, Blu Ray, 4USB and integrated 3G all of which would be 'show stoppers' if Apple announced them. So its all relative.
- Adi
Adi, those features would become "amazing" and "new" were they announced by Apple -- much the same way that video is suddenly an amazing new feature of iPhones.
- Christopher A Carr
Only two factory stickers, not bad!
- Onar Vikingstad
"has stuff Apple doesn't yet do" ... hmmm ... when placed on a Microsoft Surface it transforms into a puck for Microsoft Surface Hockey, played by waving your hands at the built-in Natal controllers.
- Don Strickland
@Christopher...touche. ;)
- Adi
Say it ain't so! Looks way cool.
- michelle lamar
Will it run Pro Tools. It seems as if I need to use it for digital editing of raw audio.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Mathew: I would imagine it would, but I don't have it to try that, so will have to wait to tell you definitively.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks, Robert. Being out of the music & video biz since '97 has me playing catch up. The KDHX studios where I will be working are a mac house.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Since it looks like a shell.. I will assume its the touchscreen with MS Surface on Windows 7 :)
- Tim Hoeck
When does this come out Robert?
- Amit Nangare
looks like old black macbook to me! nothing new at least not in image! whats so special?
- matjeka
To back Robert up, I got to try this bad boy right after him. And I can agree, this will make me switch too (after 25 solid years of Mac OS) Holy crap, Dell must have a secret time machine in the basement if 1/2 of these "special" features are true. WOW WOW WOW, and price...WOW!!!
- sean andersen
Robert, Honestly I am not really impressed by the picture, as some mentioned before it most likely is not Mac OS X, is it? And what about battery life, does it match the MBP 17 inch battery life time?
- Peter Simoons
I don't believe you :) Let's revisit this thread when it comes out and see if you follow through
- Bwana ☠
who's is it? I'll just ask them.
- Mark Essel
So this is going to bring beleaguered Dell out of the doldrums? Apple did that, but I'll not hold my breath because of Dell's basic build-em-cheap philosophy.
- Rick Cogley
there's claims it is sporting a Mobile Intel GMA 4500MHD, Series 4 for video.. if so, that's one giant missed opportunity!
- alphaxion
touch screen would be great, there is a big need in netbooks because of the improvement of usable input area
- Mike Chelen
ok, I'm also intrigued. I can't figure out what is so special about this new notebook.
- timepilot
Robert: Can have your Mac when you're done with it? :)
- John Fox
You'll be back. They all do.
- Diego Barros
Hmmm ... I am thinking Dell beat Crunchpad to market with a touchscreen running Win7... If so, Yay for Dell, way to go!!! I will definitely want a Z if so!! *Looks around for @RichardatDELL* :)
- Susan Beebe
The way things are going my mom will never get her new computer. I keep telling her something better is just around the corner.
- ChiliMac
^^ so true!
- Ronald
that thing looks massive. but I bet you don't actually switch to it when the time comes.
- felix
Yeah, do want to know what makes it so compelling over the Mac.
- Karma Martell
I have a MacBook Pro, and wouldn't drop it for anything.
- Geoff Peterson
Surely the OS is what's key? The hardware must be good but it can't make up for any deficiencies in the OS.
- Mayuresh Walke
Isn't this just another one of the Adamo line?
- JA Castillo
JA: nope.
- Robert Scoble
I'm assuming it's windows 7 multi touch and gestural support. The surface code that's now part of windows 7...
- mikepk
mikepk: there are more features than that that Apple doesn't yet have. Gotta wait, though, I promised not to leak.
- Robert Scoble
Dont throw it away! Im sure there are plenty of people that would love to have your old mac!
- James Hague
If it doesn't run OS X it's pointless.
- Peter Kruit
Peter: it runs it, but you can't buy OSX legally for use on non Apple computers. I totally disagree with your thesis, though. I'm running Windows 7 right now on my Mac and it works VERY NICELY.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure Windows 7 is working nicely, but Windows just doesn't compare to OS X. Mind you, I've only been using OS X for a year now. Before that I was a Windows/DOS user.
- Peter Kruit
Peter: again, I totally disagree. It's clear you haven't tried Windows 7 out on your Mac yet. There are many things in it that are nicer than Apple has. Especially the toolbar and especially Google Chrome.
- Robert Scoble
I have tried Windows 7. It's the same registry and DLL hell that it's always been.
- Peter Kruit
Agree with Scoble... Win7 has many things nicer than OSX.
- Adnan
Peter: I haven't had a problem with DLL hell and the registry for years. I guess you still trying to run VB 2.0 apps? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
1. Never put anything into the registery unless it will affect another part of the system. 2. DLL hell ended in Win98. WinXP/2000 added a way to solve all DLL problems with no rebooting, but the coders have been lazy/ignorant (see #1).
- xero
hehe ;)
- Peter Kruit
I'm a poor geek on a fixed income and the only thing I ever wanted in the whole wide world is a Macbook Pro. :)
- jcunwired
Still a Dell though ;)
- Peter Kruit
Yes, case in point- and that's a deal breaker for just about any Mac user.
- Dean Kakridas
from email
I switched to Macs 3 years ago but I have to say Windows 7 will make me rethink that decision. It is much more than a "Vista Service Pack".
- Steve de Mena
My husband has a Dell laptop and it's really nice, so I am definitely gonna check the Z out...
- Susan Beebe
Peter: It is possible to install MAC OSX on your Dell thanks to the OSx86 Project: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki... Although it may not be entirely legal this is still going to happen and Apple should roll with it and embrace the hacker culture. If this Dell can run Boot Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), and give users the option of running either Mac or Vista that would be awesome!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: that's possibly the ultimate manifestation of "lipstick on a pig"!
- Dean Kakridas
from email
Dean: No way, Sarah Palin is the ultimate lipstick pig and Mac OSX on a Dell is cool!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: that she is and might be the ultimate candidate for a Dell actually.
- Dean Kakridas
from email
Is there some new synchronization feature using Microsoft's Mesh technology or something? Win7 is suppose to have some Mesh tech built-in.
- Jeff Weber
Dean: Haha! Jeff: Mesh is probably windows only syncing, but I have not investigated. I use http://www.getdropbox.com/ for syncing my files between my PC and Mac, and it works great!
- Garin Kilpatrick
interesting! Windows 7 indeed rocks... and yes - i own macs and pcs
- andy brudtkuhl
Damn hype and secrets are eating my brains clock cycles. Raises fist at Robert ;)
- Mark Essel
I hope you won't need to call Tech Support for it.
- Head Ov Metal
Doesn't look all that impressive to me. It's a Dell with Vista. Whoopty-do. *curmudgeon*
- Jason Huebel
Jason: it doesn't have Vista. Thanks for playing.
- Robert Scoble
any idea if this is a joint effort with the alienware talent they acquired?
- Trey Philips
Even so, it's a Dell with Windows. If it's touchscreen, great. Facial recognition? Bleh. Unless it runs on cold fusion and can predict the future, it's still just a Dell with Windows. That said, I love W7. But I love Mac OS X much more.
- Jason Huebel
Jason: let's talk after you see it. You might still be a Mac fan but you will at least pause after you see the secret stuff this does.
- Robert Scoble
I remember when Apple's PowerBooks had that rubbery/leathery black finish. Dell's bringing the PowerBook-y back, evidentally.
- Wade Dorrell
Fair enough. I believe you saw some things that really were impressive, so I suppose I can withhold judgement. I'm just naturally skeptical of "this is a Mac killer" or "this is an iPod killer" comments, since so many have tried and ultimately failed.
- Jason Huebel
Jason: You are right on. And furthermore, many have not even really "tried". Nothing out there that claims to even compete with Apple products have put close to the level of time, resource, and dollar investment in design and software that Apple has. Anyone who has been in the tech industry for the past 10 years now knows that there's Apple and then a bunch of pretenders and bad imitators.
- Dean Kakridas
from email
That's like saying I am throwing away my Mercedes for the new Chrysler. You still get Dell support and service which has forced me to find new vendors. Wish windows server products ran on os x server. Then we could go all mac hardware.
- Dan Douglass
from Nambu
You're joking, right?
- Steve Council
I've never had a single problem with Dell support. Apple's on the other hand is useless. 10 working day repair time for a machine, compared to next business from Dell. Had to repair a failing disk ourselves because Apple wouldn't replace it, if tech tools said it was bad, 'tech tools isn't any good', and when disk utility said it was bad, 'tech tools is more accurate'. Wouldn't put anything important on Apple hardware or support.
- Russ
Is this the laptop you saw? http://content.dell.com/us...
- Robert
No, Robert, it's this - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
- Ken Sheppardson
But I am the Z-man.. this is my brand... http://www.zoliblog.com/2007... I'll fight for it unless Dell wants to corrupt me by sending a Z-thingie :-)
- Zoli Erdos
I'll throw my Mac out for this ... when it's running OS X. C'mon Dell & Jobs! Stop competing and own the whole market! :)
- Robert J Taylor
I've been dreaming of a laptop that wirelessly charges for years. Although they need to get it like WiFi so it don't have to sit on a "dock"...
- Jon
Today, I sent a respectful but firm note of disappointment to a very senior Googler re: a project he contributed to. After sending, I thought... holy crap, what did I just do?!?
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I think it's a testament to this person and this company that -- at 9:51pm -- he replied with a *very* kind note and sincere appreciation for my feedback, and promised to get back with me later. This really made my night. It's a big company with sometimes big problems. But the core bottom-up culture is still there.
- Adam Lasnik
stones
- Rick Bucich
and no, I don't plan to go into details about the project; when I am delighted by Google stuff, I am happy to point it out publicly. When there's a hope I can bring about positive change, I work hard to do that from the inside. And if someday I lose hope that I can make a difference in this way, then it's time for me to move on.
- Adam Lasnik
Didn't Sollozzo invite Luca Brasi to that bar with a very kind note?
- Erik Dafforn
Heh, Rick! Well, I will say this: I think in the future, just to be safe, I will save a draft and send next day. And Erik, okay, now you're scaring me :P.
- Adam Lasnik
One thing I am thankful for doing right: I sent the note just to this fellow, not to his team, not to a large mailing list. Ranting -- especially sometimes semi-public ranting -- can feel good, but in the long term, I don't think it typically makes things better.
- Adam Lasnik
I agree with the save-draft "rule" :-). And I agree it's awesome to work at a company where we can do this and where it can make a difference in a good way.
- John μller
my drafts: http://www.harrr.org/rrr... lol :) not many people are able to make profit out of a sincere message. I hope you found one of them!
- righini riprova
Hal Varian (Google chief economist): "I keep saying the sexy job in the next ten years will be statisticians." http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Hal_Var...
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Ian Ayres, author of Super Crunchers (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc...) agrees.
- Bill Anderson
from twhirl
twitter imposes twitterea restriction on @mattcutts http://friendfeed.com/mattcut... - hit his 60 per day limit. mock him while he's down
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:)
- Matt Cutts
"What might email look like if it were invented today?" - Lars Rasmussen, co-inventor of Google Maps & Google Wave
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What will Google Wave do to FriendFeed?
- Nenad Nikolic
I guess Friendfeed will become a technology playground, and remain an amazing community.
- Jérôme Flipo
Personally I think Wave != FF. There is overlap, but "sharing" and "friends" are life-sized concepts that don't reduce to single products or protocols.
- Daniel Dulitz
With the APIs being open, I think FriendFeed can out-wave Wave.
- Thaths
posted,Google Holodeck: StreetView In 360 Degrees http://searchengineland.com/google-... (lots more pics)
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now THAT'S pretty sweet
- Chris Heath
You can now choose which of your services you want displayed on your profile page. The option is available at the bottom your services page at https://friendfeed.com/account.... (We will otherwise select five icons to show automatically.)
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Thanks to Casey for implementing this. http://friendfeed.com/casey
- Bret Taylor
Just to avoid a clutter? Thanks Casey, but wouldn't it be easier to adjust the style (or use a js trick)? (Just suggesting of course) :)
- directeur
Excellent addition, thanks!
- Aaron Draczynski
YAY!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Uh, bug. Nasty bug. I can't see some of my services, the box is taller than my screen. You should columnize them or make the list scrollable or something.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Details of my bug: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
We can still only choose 5? :(
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
awesome thanks guys
- Alfredo
Yep, only five for now. We have gotten lots of feedback that the icons became useless when there were too many because you couldn't find the useful profile pages within the countless imported feeds. This lets you choose the few that have the most relevant profile info, but keeps the icon explosion from happening.
- Bret Taylor
I like this, and five is plenty for me to be able to get a sense of someone. thank you!
- holly
Very cool Thanks! :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, nice.
- Adi
It's nice to have the choice. Thank you.
- Rick Cogley
minor problem: can't save when services exceeds screen size.
- AJ Batac
AJ: Ctrl-(mouse scroll wheel). Although, it gets pretty unreadable.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
that needs to be fixed.
- Alfredo
hmmmmm -[
- Chris Loft
Yay! Thanks for the choice =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Again. This is the same issue we had with the Rooms dialogue in the old interface. Didn't anyone check this first? What freakin resolution do the FF devs run at, anyway? LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rah, I'm 99.7% sure they use portrait mode on their monitors.
- AJ Batac
You'll take your five icons...and you'll like it! Thanks for the new feature.
- Mark Krynsky
Chris Charabaruk: some of us on macbook pros and other machines don't use scroll wheels. i agree with others that the truncation bug needs to be fixed. and, only five choices defeats the purpose of adding any more. some of us already have more services set up are used to seeing them. don't limit everybody in the process of simplifying it for a few, if it can be helped. thanks.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Bret, Casey, thank you for this. Can you either make the list of services on the new screen either scrollable or in a smaller dialog box with a scroll bar? There's a bug that if you have a lot of services you cannot see the bottom of the list. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Love this, but can't use it because I use too many services. I can't scroll down the list.
- Thomas Hawk
A vertical screensize of 1200 pixels fixes mine. Your mileage may vary. I chose more than 5 services and let FriendFeed pick, presumably the way it can, had i chose less than 5.
- John Lam
Ok, I logged on on a PC and used the ctl scroll wheel trick and it worked.
- Thomas Hawk
great! I only want to show the most important feeds in my profile; and not clutter my profile with too many feeds that I include
- Jeroen De Miranda
Any word on the Iphone FF web? Or any news of an app? I can't see "my" discussions on the Iphone web version.
- orionstarr
So glad this has happened! :D
- Nicholas James
That's a simple but crucial feature, in my estimation. But if I had to be fussy (which I usually am), the option to (re)order them would be also be good.
- Wayne Smallman
agree with wayne. I'd like to draw more attention to my blog, and less to my twitter ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good that we can choose, thanks. Don't really understand why only 5 though. I don't have "countless imported feeds"; I have 15, which does not seem "too much to look at" to me.
- Neil Saunders
+1 Neil
- Richard Akerman
Now if we could just select the order they display in - a' la Google Profile. Speaking of Google Profile... is FF planning on adding that to the list of services?
- Alexander Grundner
This thread was discussed on the FFundercats (http://www.ffundercats.com/2009...)
- Josh Haley
not a feature i couldn't live without.. but still nice to have the option. thanks!
- Peter Efland
In my top 5 was facebook by default! #friendfeedfail
- Jordi Rosell
The services dialog is taller than my screen too. Please make it scrollable.
- Morton Fox
The Circle of Life (revised)
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Hah!
- Robert Scoble
Win.
- Tsali, The Native of FF
HEY! I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK, BUB!
- John Craft
woops in my haste i dissed flickr. sorry flickr.
- Kevin Murray
My wife would agree!
- Brian Bufalo
Agree, John.. it hits a little too close to home ;-)
- Holly Rae
Haha nice update!
- Damien Basile
true - sure takes a lot of time if you let it
- Mark Conrau
Man it looks like we're sliding down a social-negativity cone
- Ymag
So true these days !
- Mike Schmidt
Where's the bathroom? :)
- frankiecarl
And the fridge? ;)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Friendfeed is the center of life!
- ashish
Revised again: Fridge & Toilet Added: ;) http://i.friendfeed.com/0680b4e...
- Kevin Murray
Facebook should rather be in a different universe altogether
- sofarsoShawn
I agree with sofarsoshawn. take facebook out and its darn close. :)
- timepilot
And Twitter would be in the lowest circle of hell ~ but yes,very close; though yes I just tweeted this
- sofarsoShawn
@frankiecarl & stanislas - you can tweet FROM the bathroom or standing in front of the fridge... :-)
- Rick Cogley
LOL
- TheHenry
You mean, my life is normal?
- Michele Lorito-Chase
exactly
- Val Vladescu
from IM
And where is this t-shirt?
- Louis Gray
Agreed...I want this shirt!
- Carlton Hackett
Brilliant
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Nice....
- Danny Bonthuis
Where do I join?
- Christopher Harley
Good one!
- Gianluigi Cuccureddu
Why no life?
- Kristo Magno
why no arrow at least from flickr into friendfeed?
- ian kennedy
Ian Kennedy, May be flickr is lazy,so it leaves that work to RSS and facebook Or one can say same about FF?
- ashish
T-Shirt Waiting To Happen! :)
- The Pageman
T-Shirt & Travel Mug (in case we actually leave the house) Did it @ Cafe Press: Please note 1) I'm not an artist so I hope you like the organic nature of it. 2) I'm not looking to make any $ on this, any proceeds will be donated to my favorite charity http://guardsmen.org Here is the link: http://www.cafepress.com/kevinmu...
- Kevin Murray
I really like these V-Moda Vibe Duo headphones, but everyone says they consistently break every 2 months and you have to pay for replacement shipping. It's been over a year. Cant' they just make the headphones more reliable? - http://www.amazon.com/V-Moda-...
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Definitely go with Etymotics, amazing product with equally as good customer service - http://www.amazon.com/Etymoti...
- Derek Coatney
One word...Etymotic ER6i
- Alex Scoble
V-Moda fans talk about Etymotic the way Alex Scoble talks about Bose. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
I liked my V-Modas a lot but was sorely disappointed in the Etymotics I tried. I'm currently rocking the Dr. Dre Beat in-ear headphones. Unparalleled.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Also, I'm looking for a headset, not just headphones. Etymotics answer seems to run about $180...
- Kevin Fox
V-Moda fans must want a lot of bass and not good accuracy.
- Alex Scoble
you can get them for $74 here - http://www.provantage.com/etymoti...
- Derek Coatney
Yeah, I spent about $75 to 80 on my ER6i in ear headphones...If you need an iPhone headset take a look at what Zagg is selling.
- Alex Scoble
Also, I found I needed yellow foam inserts, they really improve bass - http://www.etymotic.com/ephp...
- Derek Coatney
I love my etymotic hf2s. They're pricey comparatively but worth it IMO. The V-Modas are great for bass lovers but I like the clearer overall sound and better noise isolation with the etymotics.
- ronin
I love my Vibe Duos (I like a lot of bass) but after 5 pairs in 2 years I gave up and got some Beats. *high fives Akiva*
- Sparky
Yeah, I wouldn't buy a Monster Cable product if you put a gun to my head. I don't pay money to companies that run legal extortion rackets.
- Alex Scoble
Alex - for the most part I'm with you, but having tried about 10 different sets of headphones the Beats came out on top for my use case (listening in a noisy office, where bleed is unacceptable, must be comfortable for 10+ hours of use). You wouldn't catch me dead with one of their overpriced cables though.
- Sparky
My first pair of Etymotics ER6is died about a month after I got them. Had to pay shipping to get them replaced ($15 or so, from Canada). New pair has been ok for a few months now. Love the sound isolation -- I use them on a light rail commute, and it really blocks out the noise.
- Jasmin Patry
I guess i'm lucky because I get very good results from the Etymotics in similar circumstances. But I know that compared to my Sennheiser cans they are lacking in low end bass. They simply don't reproduce down below 50-60hz.
- Alex Scoble
BTW - the high end Etymotics sound better than the beats by all counts, the only reason I didn't go with them is that the Etymotics make my ears bleed after only a couple of hours of continuous listening.
- Sparky
I got so tired of crappy earbuds I finally broke down and bought Shure E4c-n, which have been perfect for about 3 years.
- jcunwired
Any of these suggestions really better than Ultimate Ears ? Like the idea of Dr Dre Beat earphones since the iPhone sounds so friggin lame and tinny. Anyone who owns an iPod is to blame, your acceptance of mediocrity your crime.
- Toby Graham
You might want to consider buying from HeadRoom (http://headphone.com/). Really nice people (once told me about a sale on headphones at another site!). And don't buy Shure. Had a pair that broke yearly plus they fought hard against the white space initiative at the FCC.
- Brett Cannon
HeadRoom looks to be *very* expensive. I just bought a pair of ER-4P's from B&H for $180. $299 at HeadRoom -- http://www.headphone.com/product....
- Joe Beda ()
I had a pair for year. They were just fine.
- Evan Travers
just bought the Etymotic ER6i on your guys recommendations. Better not let me down.
- Santa CW™
Live now, The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Robert Scoble, Loren Feldman, and Mike Arrington. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here....
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I like this already
- Chris Heath
so topic guess anyone?
- Chris Heath
i'm not getting the sream, sux
- Marco
try ustream, or stickam marco
- Chris Heath
he has the three streams for a reason
- Chris Heath
Chris: Structure!
- Jason Hansen
thanks, i'm in now
- Marco
LOL Robert Scoble is such a ham...Love it...
- Bill Heslin
arrington appear very tired
- Rafael
rafael that is not arrington, that's andrew keene
- Chris Heath
arrington doesn't have a brit accent
- Chris Heath
lol
- Bill Heslin
arrington is the bold one right?
- Rafael
You go Scoble...
- Bill Heslin
Those coton dogs are great little dogs. Aren't they in the Maltese family? They are a pretty rare breed.
- shelter watch
Hello Robert Scoble
- Chris Heath
Robert thanks for pushing Friendfeed I finally took the brass ring!
- earl wallace
Hi Y'all
- Allan Bunt
hahaha
- Rafael
Feldman ruining show. bloody jews
- andrewkeen
hi everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
and it begins
- Matthew
And this will be recorded so it can be seen later?
- Raphael, Raphael
haha! Tech-Boxing! :D
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
now i know who's everybody!
- Rafael
hey Tina
- Matthew
hah
- Kyle Dylan Conner
The chat is rocking and rolling!
- Robert Scoble
Loren FTW
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This chat is cooler than the IRC
- Robert
hi Matthew
- Tina Chase Gillmor
now i'm getting Friendfeed. mmmnnn interesting
- andrewkeen
yah
- Kyle Dylan Conner
Robert, only drawback(for me) is that this doesn't have tab-complete for user names
- Chris Heath
arrington
- Rafael
James: Arrington
- Rafael
He stormed out.
- Raphael, Raphael
Chris: that would be a nice feature.
- Robert Scoble
the guy who just sat down is Michael Arrington
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Nice hat Arrington ;)
- David Damore
and the abscensce of mods is so refreshing
- Bill Heslin
Yes it would be
- Chris Heath
He needs his Sombrero
- Robert
hahahah
- Rafael
in a sombrero!!!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cool hat!
- Allan Bunt
Bill: we have decentralized moderation. If you spam or are an asshat I'll block you.
- Robert Scoble
why is the sky blue?: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input...
- Chris Heath
Bill: and you can block me.
- Robert Scoble
why is the sky blue? ^^
- Chris Heath
I know Robert...just was saying...the irc is very quick with their kicks
- Bill Heslin
that site is damn slow
- Robert
Leo is good at summarizing things!
- Raphael, Raphael
it's getting hammered right now and they're still fixing a bug (but will have it sorted out soon)
- Chris Heath
Not that I ever got kicked...Cause I'm a good boy..lol
- Bill Heslin
As a student, I might find uses for this, with some work.
- Colin
arrington needs to get on the treadmill
- Kyle Dylan Conner
read your article yesterday mike - I think you're expecting something that wolfram is not
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I missed the interview - hope to see the repeat overnight. - Joe Gilbert
- Joe Gilbert
I agree with arrington wolfram is not something I will use at any time..
- Rafael
rob, did you read the one today (not by mike) 'search wars' ?
- Chris Heath
You can get a personal version for $300.
- invariant - farewell FF
That's true Loren
- Rafael
oh yah, i'd never use it either
- Kyle Dylan Conner
I think that wolfram is liable to get fed more and more different types of data, and we'll see the value come up over time
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
rob, yes... some data is a bit old (using 2006 census numbers for populations instead of gov estimates for instance)
- Chris Heath
As they show at the video, wolfram is more a mathmatic search, thing like that or even historical facts
- Rafael
Why does Gillmor remind me of Dvorak? - Joe
- Joe Gilbert
An asshat...lol...
- Bill Heslin
WA does not show my life expectancy based on my name.
- Raphael, Raphael
I didn't see the search wars one...you said you linked it and that was the other one Chris
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Wow, IRC is too fast
- William
Leo! Talk about Twoogle. Twitter and Google search at the same time!
- Rafael
...really don't think twoogle is a big deal
- Kyle Dylan Conner
Why kyle?
- Rafael
I'm very interested to hear Mike Arrington's comments on what Dan Lyons had to say earlier this week, specifically about Techcrunch. I thought it was a little OTT. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media...
- Shéa Bennett
Joining late but what about FriendFeed and Twitter versus Google?
- CAJ, somewhere else
the one riot twitter search sounds very cool though
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think its interesting, and you can compare results
- Rafael
there's nothing to it..all they did is frame it
- Kyle Dylan Conner
scoble's right on this one
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yeah rob
- Chris Heath
Tried to dial in, got silence on calliflower
- Kevin Marks
the wolfram alpha is going to become more and more important as it ramps up
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
google may be able to do it now that they are parsing rdfa and microformats
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Twoogle...that's funny....it is two different technology..isn't it??
- Zoran Vuletic
Haha
- Bill Heslin
Hah...
- Colin
For real, no nonsense number crunching see @Wolfman_Alpha that other guy is just lame, crashed my Firefox, too... :-)
- Robert Morrison
hahh
- Kyle Dylan Conner
Kevin - we noticed you were on and then tried to talk to you and then you were off
- Tina Chase Gillmor
<sniff sniff>
- CAJ, somewhere else
I think Wolfram Alpha will take the lead on Wikipedia information and especifics and scientifics search
- Rafael
can't be as bad as last week!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Really looked like Mike was into that convo from the start
- Robert
Call him back
- David Damore
it was an honest question IMO
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We love you Mike, come back!
- Colin
we need the puppet arrington
- Raphael, Raphael
Twoogle, is a search who show results from google and twitter at the same page.
- Rafael
yeah mike, this drama stuff isn't really that interesting either tho
- Chris Heath
LOLing over here... heheheh
- David Damore
Arrington doesn't seem to add anything to the conversation.
- Hiro Asari
Mike - come back!
- Joe Gilbert
loren is a funny guy tho, and i like how he messes with mike
- Chris Heath
Geez -- this really is a waste of time
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: Waste of time?
- Rafael
I guess Mike had to take a nap.
- Glenn Trtanj
the one thing I love about Wolfram Alpha is a simple little link: "source information"
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
He looked like he needed a nap?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Mike: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
all them Mike, all them
- Rafael
Brian: that's the Gillmor Gang. We'll try to sprinkle some value in here.
- Robert Scoble
this is real time & solid.
- Vedran Agovic
I haven't seen that link yet myself Mike
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
excpet robert who runs on duracell batteries
- Rafael
the 'more' link in wolfram|alpha are cool too most of the time
- Chris Heath
probably already been asked, but where are the 2 previous Gangs?
- Jamie
Robert: I'm I wrong?
- Rafael
Robert, stop, your on TV!
- William
Watching now
- Sean Fretwell
Who's the guy behind you, Robert?
- Hiro Asari
Robert you're right
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hiro, his son?
- Chris Heath
I think is his son
- Rafael
with a macbook
- Rafael
Microsoft just floated a 4Billion dollar bond issue for this very purpose
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Friendfeed is the target for a deal
- David Damore
This post is a perfect example of a real-time conversation on FF
- Costa Walcott
cricket
- Matthew
Rafael: thanks.
- Hiro Asari
Google already has a realtime feed for the New York Times - no?
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
old school google. that's hilarious.
- Raphael, Raphael
Twoogle is a TOY by Google
- Zoran Vuletic
what about a business model how are they making money
- Sean Fretwell
Hiro: U're welcome, but I'm not sure, only Robert can answer you correctly ;)
- Rafael
in search engine terms google is kind of old, not the oldest, but one of the oldest still around
- Chris Heath
Chris: Old but not less important
- Rafael
i didn't say that
- Chris Heath
We cant compare Google to Wolfram Alpha, they are completely different, with a different focus
- Rafael
Speaking of "new" search engines, does anyone remember the one that sounded like "Curio", but a stupid spelling? What happened to it? (Well, don't answer; I know the answer.)
- Hiro Asari
cuil
- Chris Heath
dead
- Chris Heath
We have Knol as a search engine too
- Rafael
The Friendfeed search goes back further then search.Twitter
- David Damore
knol is a wiki competitor
- Chris Heath
huge jump....and I would think that twitter should see that as a threat
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: Yes, that's the point. I think Wolfram gets a little bit of Wiki and Knol and puts together with a historical and scientific facts
- Rafael
the threads add signal and reduce noise
- Jamie
While still small Friendfeed is gaining lots of users from Twitter... the gap is narrowing.
- David Damore
*ahem http://threadedtweets.com Shameless self plug.
- Colin
sure does David...I had to search on FF for a tweet that I was looking for for an article today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What happened to Arrigton?
- Jason Hansen
rafael, the problem is that knol and wiki can't answer a problem for you, wolfram can
- Chris Heath
Arrington pouted.
- Hiro Asari
He left?
- Jason Hansen
Found that Hudson River crash pic in just a few searches .... Search.Twitter only went back 20 days
- David Damore
arrington can dish it out but can't take it it seems
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris: Thats the big point of Wolfram Alpha. Thats who will put him on the lead of knowledgement search!
- Rafael
yeah
- Chris Heath
Yo HOMIES
- ralphsaunders
The spam on Twitter Search is redonk
- David Damore
Arrington being like that will ultimately reflect TechCrunch.
- Jason Hansen
Twitter are working on search based on authority
- Jamie
Does anyone know of another service like http://www.whatthetrend.com/ - that gives you trends BUT ALSO gives you a summary explanation for each trend WITHOUT having to click through a bunch of tweets?
- Mike Bracco
Twitter will need a filter if they want to use advertising
- Sean Fretwell
exactly jason - but I can see that in the tone of arringtoms articles
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
i doubt they will use advertising
- ralphsaunders
It's funny how something like wolfram lost space for twitter and friendfeed haha
- Rafael
I think they will make their money via doing premium accounts
- ralphsaunders
what about money
- Sean Fretwell
its a pity no=one brings together all the data from all the small websearches... - Chunkmeister
- Chris Norman
interesting
- Sean Fretwell
And on Twitter search... even after a spam bot is blocked they still show up in search results... it is my understanding that on Friendfeed they are removed from your results if you block them out.
- David Damore
they talked about Wolfram Alpha only 3 minutes, now the entire chat is discussing twitter and ff
- Rafael
Yes Back to Search! :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I cant see how there would be any money in premium accounts.
- Jamie
Robert: Good one! Try to come back the search discuss
- Rafael
yeah, another Twitter & Friendfeed episode
- Matthew
If you don't have @ at the beginning you don't get the 'In reply to' shortcut
- Mike Doeff
I think Wolfram|Alpha is worth more than three minutes.
- Jason Hansen
can't get away from friendfeed and twitter great
- Sean Fretwell
Jason: Me too.
- Rafael
mike, that 'in reply to' thing is broken anyways... it doesn't always go to the correct tweet
- Chris Heath
unless you actually clicked a reply button
- Chris Heath
Twitter's technical problem is retarded. How is Friendfeed able to filter things in way more complicated ways?
- Raphael, Raphael
I think twitter and ff will be always the same story. Please bring back Wolfram Alpha conversation
- Rafael
I wonder if there's anything to talk about besides friendfeed and twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris, it's pretty reliable if you respond using the reply icon on Twitter. Works that way on clients such as Tweetie too. Even if it's not the most recent tweet.
- Mike Doeff
Please guys! Forget about twitter and ff for a moment! Go back to search!
- Rafael
There is the "iPad" to talk about and if it is comming
- Sean Fretwell
+2 Rafael!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
One of our cats is meowing really loud
- Tina Chase Gillmor
NO!
- ralphsaunders
You can search your followings on Friendfeed
- David Damore
when was the last time gillmorgang was about something else than twitter? even wolframalpha can't keep their attention! :D
- Marcel Weiß
Guruvan: Thx!
- Rafael
Thats one really loud cat
- ralphsaunders
Mike Doeff, that's what i was saying - if you click that button it's the only way to make sure that the 'in reply to' link is correctly linked
- Chris Heath
Ads on the side of results
- David Damore
:-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Now we are back to search!
- Rafael
Search is all I want to talk about today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Chris, agreed
- Mike Doeff
Friendfeed has lots of open space on the page to display ads for when they are bought or invested in as part of an alliance
- David Damore
Search is what's really huge - big enough that MSFT had a debt sale this week!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Loren? ROFL this should be good
- Neal Jansons
Robert: You are awesome!
- Rafael
dog
- Sean Fretwell
dead on robert!
- Chris Heath
hes right
- ralphsaunders
mhm
- Kyle Dylan Conner
i heard a dog?
- Sean Fretwell
yeah a little dog haha
- Rafael
hell there seems to be a whole farmyard in there
- ralphsaunders
lol
- Sean Fretwell
I found a 2 month old tweet on FriendFeed this afternoon...peoplebrowsr timoreillly - and took me 1 search and a few seconds
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter search is better for obscure topics. Things like Mumbai, earthquakes, Hudson plane crash are a mess
- Mike Doeff
steve doesn't want to talk about search, i guess...
- Chris Heath
I need to figure out how to set up a room/group/feed to get Twitter piping into FF.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I don't think Steve is right about this at ALL
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think some of us know about search
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Talking about search is very interesting cause anyone have different opinions
- Rafael
agreed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
does anyone think there will be in iPad
- Sean Fretwell
yeah rob, he just wants to steer the convo elsewhere... TRACK
- Chris Heath
mute steve
- Nick Rae
hahaha
- Rafael
Steve x Robert! Fight!
- Rafael
track!track!track! :-)
- Jamie
they wont fight
- ralphsaunders
iTunes
- Sean Fretwell
When it is up it should be on itunes
- Neal Jansons
from IM
....much
- ralphsaunders
what about many to many steve?
- Chris Heath
just search for twitt
- Sean Fretwell
Steve is right here
- Stanislas Jourdan
Crossfire, geek style
- zephyrlily
on iTunes
- Sean Fretwell
ROTF
- Sean Fretwell
money is not just in search anymore
- Stanislas Jourdan
shut down google, twitter and all searches and go back to encyclopedia and books search! ahha just kidding
- Rafael
Sean, I haven't seen a new GG on iTunes since mid-April
- Mike Doeff
How did I know track was going to be mentioned
- Greg
FF is where its at yo
- ralphsaunders
TOO MUCH INFORMATION....
- Chris Norman
yes
- Sean Fretwell
scoble looks unhappy
- ralphsaunders
there is no overload information ;)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Swarming
- Mike Doeff
Like: Firefox banner on scoble room
- Rafael
me too wish i had one
- Sean Fretwell
yeah Steve, why aren't you updating itunes?
- zephyrlily
yeah
- Rafael
yah, i wanna know why too
- Kyle Dylan Conner
Scoble take lesson
- Stanislas Jourdan
weird the rest of the twit shows are there
- Sean Fretwell
Track? Is that coming back? Even with the fact they can't handle @replies?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
steve's probably right about track here tho
- Chris Heath
blablabla
- Rafael
monitoring via twitter and facebook is a stopgap measure until everyone who generates data also generates metadata along with it
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Imagine if I leave a comment on ff about a piece of software I am working on. Within 2 minutes, 7 people join a conversation around my comment. Within 4 minutes, google's ad system understands the context and starts running adds that are relevent to our ad-hoc conversation. 30 seconds later, a freelance software consultant appears in our conversation, selling his services relevant to our topic. - that is the potential of realtime
- Robert
Mobile Scoble, update iTunes please
- zephyrlily
Yahoo Sideline is interesting Twittering monitoring tool: http://sideline.yahoo.com/
- Mike Bracco
Leo: Could you put all mic at the same volume?
- Rafael
I'm out
- Sean Fretwell
how far is FF from track
- Jamie
saved search + desktop notification?
- Jamie
FF might be only like a week away from track.
- Raphael, Raphael
how so?
- Jamie
Would someone define Track for me please?
- David Damore
Many pages update in real time, but not the search pages yet.
- Raphael, Raphael
so, super niche marketing??
- Matthew
admore: live search pumped anywhere (mostly to an im client)
- Chris Heath
there are some search pages that update in realtime
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
not google
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
look at tweetmeme
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It isn't
- Colin
hah
- Kyle Dylan Conner
damn robert
- Jamie
admore: you choose your track terms and it just responds in real time when there's a hit
- Chris Heath
Isn't Twitter & FF... basically an IM client?
- Jason Hansen
Whoops, there goes Robert
- Neal Jansons
from IM
admore: see twitterspy or identispy
- Chris Heath
so, it is like when a new result is posted... it gets pushed to me because I asked for it at some point in the past?
- David Damore
One thing this group has is a lack of respect and passion!
- Owen Greaves
David D, back when Twitter had track you could subscribe to multiple topics via IM - e.g. "track iphone" track your twitter username, etc. Tweets that have that text would show up in your IM in realtime. It was very very useful.
- Mike Doeff
I disagree Owen, especially on passion.
- Colin
@david damore: yep
- Hilary Talbot
FOOTBALL!!!
- Matthew
Gillmor Gang not passionate? WHAT?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think the Superbowl is 50/50 ads game
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Tina where is last weeks show? will it not get released?
- Jamie
Kevin Thau from Twitter told me this about Track the other day: http://twitter.com/kevinth...
- Thomas James
watch tv for ads? That is so sad
- Stanislas Jourdan
How would one prevent from getting overwhelmed by responses? Why not set up and RSS search feed?
- David Damore
I said they HAD Passion and a lack of respect...read man!
- Owen Greaves
There's tons of ways to advertise based on twitter streams
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
-sigh-
- Kyle Dylan Conner
you can do all kinds of behavioral targeting
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
David, with track you can respond in real time
- Raphael, Raphael
How does Twitter get money for the service they're providing?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Stan, anyone who works in marketing watches all ads.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
ahh..
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FILTERING IDEA: Twitter user goes to web service. User sets up specific hashtags on things they talk about on a serialized basis with a description. That way you have user + hashtag filtering options and can setup different notification options for each hashtag - on a user by user basis.
- Mike Bracco
if you get 10 responses a minute... how would you keep up?
- David Damore
Neal, everybody doesnt work in marketing!
- Stanislas Jourdan
I like talking to the companies I'm buying products from, it's like getting help from a sales Associate in a retail store, except its on the internet, and I'm much more interested in the products.
- Colin
Loren not drinking the realtime KoolAid
- Mike Doeff
Twitter gets people to investment in them.
- Raphael, Raphael
AH MAH GOD
- ralphsaunders
One at a time Please
- Matthew
*confused*
- ralphsaunders
Hashtags largest disadvantage is that is requires an active action on the part of the user. Too much effort for most people
- Robert
unfortunately I never saw Track in action... so it is hard for me to wrap my mind around it
- David Damore
they need more drinks
- Nick Rae
I agree with Loren, though I can see how some would benefit from real time info
- Glenn Trtanj
david think of Track like an IM bot
- Jamie
every time somebody tweeted a keyword of your choice, the IM bot would notify you
- Jamie
who's the douche yelling through the phone?
- Kyle Dylan Conner
track is unbelievably valuable and it's a shame that it no longer exists
- Tina Chase Gillmor
This is like the TV-MA version of Cranky Geeks
- Chris
I think it does scale, because the conversation is public.
- Colin
they aren't preying on it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I tracked the keyword "javascript" for about 2 months. Often the messages would be in Japanese, so it wasn't terribly useful.
- Raphael, Raphael
@Jamie: Thanks.
- David Damore
If track was back up, I would have running searches on my favorite enterprise software that I support. That way, I could jump into any conversation that developes around that stuff instantly, the moment is starts happening.
- Robert
I think robert is the only one of these guys that really gets advertising and marketing
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I do it for hte love, but think what a company could do with that. Like Scoble's examples
- Robert
back now that friendfeed is back too
- Rafael
Connecting buyers and sellers is important
- David Damore
I agree guruvan, they all seem to be offtrack.
- Colin
"What information consumes is rather obvious: it consumes the attention of its recipients. Hence, a wealth of information creates a poverty of attention and a need to allocate that attention efficiently among the overabundance of information sources that might consume it." Herbert Simon, recipient of Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics, and the A.M. Turing Award
- Mike Bracco
I cant believe that after so long, Keen still doesn't understand the concepts...
- Robert
Luna Park is an example of a restaurant in SF that gets how to market on Twitter... http://twitter.com/lunaparksf
- Mike Doeff
They're geeks, and most geeks don't seem to get the advertising
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Technology enables those two parties [buyers and sellers] to find each other faster.... saving time and money for everyone
- David Damore
hahahaha
- Rafael
lol
- Stanislas Jourdan
Keen takes 6 months generally
- Jamie
lots of buffering here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Thanks Rafael!
- earl wallace
agree with Loren
- Stanislas Jourdan
Earl You're welcome
- Rafael
same
- Kyle Dylan Conner
thanks for the Luna Park link
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he's right you can totally game twitter, and it's not any kind of a threat to ANY ONE
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
or they will pay to receive realtime search hits for complex queries - i.e. cannondale will get an realtime ping when someone types in "who can recommend a bike"
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
haha loren cracks me up. hes needed on the show
- Jamie
yw Tina
- Mike Doeff
Haha Loren's the best
- Costa Walcott
keyboard cat time?
- ralphsaunders
wheres leo
- Nick Rae
There is no compare there. Twitter against Google! HA!
- earl wallace
People thought Google was not a threat to early portals, that was the case was it not?
- David Damore
leo is hiding
- ralphsaunders
Is Google a Threat to Microsoft?... One might have said "NO" just a few years ago...
- David Damore
the "value" of twitter is the millions of people who are posting what they like, hate and are doing every second
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I remember Google's first day.
- earl wallace
I think everybody senses that there is *something* here with this realtime stuff. nobody can quite pinpoint what it all means though.
- Jamie
no it was not htought that it was even relevant really....people think twitter is relevant
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yes it's much more interesting to perform your "search" at twitter and wait for people to give you up to date info. google can't compete with that.
- Brian Hendrickson
@Jamie +1. New things are hard to analyze
- David Damore
Back in 2000, Business Week wondered how Google would make money : ) http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily...
- Mike Doeff
+1 Jamie
- Stanislas Jourdan
I don't think that anyone would have said that google wasn't a threat to MSFT once they put out things like GoogleDocs
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@ Mike Doeff +1
- David Damore
So, I posted something about poker & within minutes... I had people following me on Twitter that were marketers with poker items/products.
- Jason Hansen
tho Steve has been consistent from the start. attention/gesture economy. hes been talking about this for years.
- Jamie
World's fastest CPU clocked at 128 gigaflops - http://www.techradar.com/news...
- ralphsaunders
Steve has the best overall point about this subject
- earl wallace
Sorry, I still think Twitter is a fad.
- Raphael, Raphael
I think we need to rebrand ourselves as a reality show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
you don't get how to find anything in Realtime because you don't use enough filters
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
My MOuntain Bike entry on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Once they are a threat... people see it... it is hard to see over the horizon unless you have satellite early warning systems...
- David Damore
the noise and speed of realtime means that the filtering layer will become more crucial - there will be a layer of folks who chew on the raw data and thats who folks like loren will listen to
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
is it that hard to wait until the other person is done talking?
- Kyle Dylan Conner
The thing that really worries me, is that Twitter restricts real time track to corperate customers, that WE cant make us of it.
- Robert
Twitter is NOT a fad... I promise you that
- Tina Chase Gillmor
but Robert if I ask the same question I might get 2 responses.
- Jamie
Steve thinks he is the father of reason, let others talk please!
- Rafael
Just want to give props to all the other folks in the chat room. + 1 for all ;)
- David Damore
welll.... twitter might be, services like twitterr aren't
- ralphsaunders
I bought a bike last year, but if I was still looking for one this year, I'd be reading through that thread.
- Colin
I think that you're probably wrong about that Tina....the big acceptance rate is a fad,....what's not a fad is that style of interaction
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jamie : because any bicycle seller is on FF (yet)
- Stanislas Jourdan
a friendfeed conversation is just like what alt.bicycle usegroup was like back in the day
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
+1 guruvan
- Brian Hendrickson
Mike: except without the spam and the assholes.
- Robert Scoble
gillmor has said: Twitter is training wheels
- Brian Hendrickson
Twitter doesn't really have a long term strategy or the ability to communicate and that means they're likely to be overtaken easily
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Anyone saw the Yahoo Meme? A twitter competitor?
- Rafael
I think real time really is most valuable if tied to real time events such as sports or stuff like that. I think companies will sprout up to offer real time to niche markets
- Mike Bracco
we are missing the "business intelligence" tools. We will see "conversational intelligence" those systems are being built.
- Jerry Schuman
robert: no - they are there - we just have better tools to manage them :)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Clay Shirky said "There is no such thing as information overload, there’s only filter failure"
- Mike Doeff
See Friendfeed as a Twitter competitor and a step up at that... Twitter is facing a real threat from them IMHO. What do you think?
- David Damore
David: real threat is coming from Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
twitter == web 0.5 web post; Twitter Search == web 0.5 web post delivered via Atom; FriendFeed == all that data aggregated
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What happened to Arrington?
- Rafael
Scoble: Really?
- David Damore
Steve Gilmour is a very smart man....!!!
- Owen Greaves
Can someone please explain what Track is?
- Stephen Pickering
Right now we're building the ability to construct conversations from discrete streams. Tweets melded to RSS or any other data repository via bayes algorithms.
- Jerry Schuman
The simplicity of Twitter currently wins
- Robert
arrington left a long time ago
- Kyle Dylan Conner
Everyone on Friendfeed wonders why people still don't use it.
- Raphael, Raphael
Kyle: I know but why?
- Rafael
stephen, we already did up above
- Chris Heath
Robert: wrong. wrong wrong wrong.
- Robert Scoble
track is a saved search in real time that sends its results into your stream
- Brian Hendrickson
Stephen: track was a way to do keyword searches via Twitter's IM interface and have any post that matched delivered
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
he didn't like a comment loren made
- Kyle Dylan Conner
robert: churn on Twitter is many times higher than on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
there's friendfeed, realtime facebook, identica, and more....everyone thought that yahoo was the be all and end all before there was google....no one was that impressed with google....but there really insn't anything special about simple search, and there really isn't anything special about microblogging, they're simple technologies, and the real deal is who can run a better company
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Loren's ton is annoying
- Stanislas Jourdan
isn't Twitter losing 30-40% of new users each month? It's so easy they just do not get it?
- David Damore
its basicly smart extraction of community information right?
- AV
stephen, http://friendfeed.com/search... (it's in bold when you expand the comments)
- Chris Heath
chrun on twitter is ENORMOUS
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks Chris!
- Stephen Pickering
churn is high because people log on and their friends aren't there
- Jamie
I think Friendfeed is getting very close to be as -instantaniously- user friendly as Twitter, its not there just. Its still too conveluted to be able to be used by my mother.
- Robert
no David: They get it and don't see the value in it....they do se the value in their facebook acounts, and the do see the value on friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This guy Loren is going to have a heart attack. The anger seems pointless.
- Shelly Brisbin
from twhirl
The avg new user on twitter doesn't return 'till a month or so later, right?
- Victor Alarcon
Robert: Agreed
- Rafael
Oprah is there? Why do they bail out on her?
- David Damore
it's called discovery, Loren
- Jerry Schuman
Robert, that's an apple/oranges comparison, because of the user-base. FF has less than a million still, I think, and most (certainly most-active) are IT professionals. I like both but they stack badly against each other, for various reasons.
- Shéa Bennett
Took almost a year for the message about Friendfeed to get through my thick skull ;)
- David Damore
New users leave Twitter when they follow only a handful of people and those people rarely tweet. Nobody wants to look at a blank screen.
- Mike Doeff
the user then churns but over time might get more and more email notifications... x friend is following you. y friend is following you.
- Jamie
Shea: watch the tides. The movement is what matters. Not how much water is in the bay already. :-)
- Robert Scoble
thats true mike
- Rafael
this is insane
- Kyle Dylan Conner
every person in this world is linked by 6 people right so in the end if you ask the right question you will get your answer to any question!
- AV
loren knows manic
- Brian Hendrickson
andrew just having fun with the discussion haha
- Rafael
@Alym Virani is there was perfect information flow
- David Damore
steve, i don't think you're an idiot about track... dead on imho
- Chris Heath
hahahaa
- Rafael
We love you Steve
- Mike Doeff
loren knows schtick
- Brian Hendrickson
I tend to agree with Loren... the problem with the real time web is that "right now" is relative.
- Ryan Stanley
Friendfeed is manageable for uses like this room..for me it will take awhile to process it's different options for my usage like Robert Scoble...Robert , please point me to a "Friendfeed manual of some sort! Thank you.
- earl wallace
mike - that's totally wrong....people on twitter leave because they follow too many people and can't deal with it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Scoble has some sweet videos on F2
- David Damore
david danmore yes in an ideal world their is not perfect information flow but if the right questions are asked its most likely you will extract the info
- AV
earl: when I figure it out I'll do a manual. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Earl, check the help link at the bottom ;)
- Robert
turing test
- Jerry Schuman
Thank you Robert (:
- earl wallace
hahahaa
- Rafael
hahaha
- Stanislas Jourdan
how do you make money out of this feed?
- andrewkeen
It's kinda funny, each of these guys just want to be right :)
- Owen Greaves
hahaha Leo Lives!
- zephyrlily
Leo is like.... :-/
- Jamie
oh... knowledge engineering
- Jerry Schuman
The problem with Twitter etc... is that there is some much data coming at people that .... your q has to be important to get passed on > RT.
- David Damore
yes.. KE is a pain in the arse
- Jerry Schuman
I give 1 dollar to anyone who says that i'm beautiful!!!!
- Rafael
+1 andrewkeen
- Stanislas Jourdan
Robert's done a couple good vids on how to make use of friendfeed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@andrewkeen Check out http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and ask that question again
- Robert
andrewkeen: this feed? Not sure. Not a lot of intent on this one. How about my Mountain Bike one? http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... I can see TONS of ways to make money there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, let's assume you're right - isn't FF going to be ruined by an influx from the masses? Surely its success will mean a manifestation of that 'churn' within Twitter? Isn't it better for you, everybody on there right now, really, if FF is only moderately popular?
- Shéa Bennett
@James Goldman Agree +1
- David Damore
actually Google Squares is going down that path right now
- Jerry Schuman
Thanks Robert, needed reading glasses for that. (:
- earl wallace
@andrewkeen people will allow ads to flow down their stream if they can hide the advertisers they don't like
- Brian Hendrickson
Robert you're right on with the targeting and such about the realtime web - the search is the king
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Maybe people will have to select categories to have the ads they see from
- David Damore
FriendFeed needs to be prepared NOW for the influx of companies coming to sell there.
- CAJ, somewhere else
guruvan I was referring to the new users who leave after a month. I have some non-geek friends who have joined Twitter and only followed a handful of people and they had no interest in following people they've never met. Those people don't see the utility of it and leave.
- Mike Doeff
can I take that last Skype slot on Skypesaurus?
- Jerry Schuman
youtube has to explore P2P solutions
- Stanislas Jourdan
the problem with youtube is there is no content model....the crap on youtube is nothing you can monetize
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
are people starting to come around to Steve's way of thinking about Twitter @ signs?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
That's an expensive utility.
- Francine Hardaway
Robert Scoble: Excellent!
- Rafael
Like a runner,,,, Interested in ads for shoes, socks, clothes, races, heart rate monitors
- David Damore
That's how the world goes round, money making.
- Colin
If money can't be made, the service goes away eventually
- Francine Hardaway
finguers crossed steve
- AV
@Tina no
- Brian Hendrickson
This chat brought to you by Rackspace and Audible.com
- Mike Doeff
Very well put Mr. Gillmor!
- earl wallace
tina - yes, even the slowest of folks eventually feel the pain
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
hahaha
- Victor Alarcon
hahahaha
- Rafael
That's what Wolfram Alpha is for. I wondered...
- Francine Hardaway
People watching this are generally early adopters... some advertisers would want to reach that audience
- David Damore
there are technologies emerging that use both stream and P2P for downloading content
- Stanislas Jourdan
You cannot divide by zero!
- CAJ, somewhere else
Mike: and Amazon. And Microsoft. And Google. And and and and.
- Robert Scoble
the better query for Alpha: At what point does Loren stroke out on GG?
- Jerry Schuman
I think the only thing who can make money on any conversation on earth is PORN.
- Rafael
lol, probability of the both talking again?
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Nice one Scoble
- David Damore
there's some puppeteer raggin' on loren... and loren's rant about it
- Chris Heath
Devolution.
- Francine Hardaway
Congrats guys!
- Rafael
Adios
- Mike Doeff
Great show guys
- David Damore
very good show this week guys !
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Great show! ;)
- Colin
leo was smart not to talk
- Kyle Dylan Conner
Thanks all of you guys on show!
- earl wallace
that was intense lol
- Jamie
nish
- earl wallace
peace
- Victor Alarcon
hey they finished a show.
- Brian Hendrickson
Nice conversation in the chat room too
- David Damore
wow.. Leo survived this one
- Jerry Schuman
hahaha
- Rafael
love hanging out with such smart people
- David Damore
thanks for showing up all you people
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Where's dinner?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
loren is crazy! haha
- Rafael
This rivals the drama of broadcast television, love it ;).
- Colin
I missed gillmor's last point, can anyone summarize?
- Brian Hendrickson
its always the Mike and Loren schtick
- Jerry Schuman
Always with the drama
- Mike Doeff
It's not over until thhe fat lady sings.
- Francine Hardaway
don't cry please
- Rafael
Is the show downloadable anywhere?
- Omar Egan
Kinda sensitive? omg
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hahaha
- Rafael
++ Colin
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Loren is concerned.
- Francine Hardaway
gillmorgang.techcrunch.com for downloads
- Jerry Schuman
Robert's the crying on the inside kind of clown :p
- Neal Jansons
from IM
scoble an "insane frat boy" that's good
- Brian Hendrickson
all these guys are super sensitive
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It's not a Gillmor Gang if someone doesn't storm off : )
- Mike Doeff
Jerry: nothing new there since mid-April
- Thomas James
lol Mike & Tina
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
-- show's in flash get some video cache view
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Scoble says: "Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed Friendfeed"
- David Damore
still have to replay the calacanis/canter battle. that was crazy
- Jamie
Tina, makes sense to me. I'm not sure why its such a battle to understand Steve's POV
- Hilary Talbot
There might be a little bit of ego going on. But they need that...right?
- CAJ, somewhere else
LOL
- David Damore
geek soap opera with boys.
- Shelly Brisbin
from twhirl
Scoble look out the dinner time! Your wike will kill u!
- Rafael
wife*
- Rafael
yeah... no new shows since April
- Omar Egan
Scoble's a pretty placid guy
- Francine Hardaway
Tina is this a podcast on Mr. Gillmors web site?
- earl wallace
guess the show isn't over.
- Raphael, Raphael
Yes Alan they need the ego or they wouldn't be any good at their jobs
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
To quote Trek, "you must learn to govern your passions. They will be your undoing." ;-)
- ZillaFan
Vezquex: it's never over.
- Robert Scoble
This is the healing time
- Mike Doeff
uashduashduashda
- Rafael
the past few shows have not been edited for download
- Tina Chase Gillmor
you guys talk 24 hours a day?
- Raphael, Raphael
I thought he was Steve. Thin Skin
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Tina: do you know if they will be?
- Thomas James
Vezquex: seems like that.
- Robert Scoble
they don't need editing! put them up lol
- Jamie
Thank you Tina (:
- earl wallace
Loren reminds me of that after hours host, Dave something
- zephyrlily
Go get dinner Robert
- Mike Doeff
I'm not going to say for sure... we are working on a few things here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert your wife and kids will kill u!
- Rafael
Loren should do late nite TV...he's in the right City!
- Owen Greaves
why? they bought Pownce and did squat with it
- Jerry Schuman
Rafael: I have a few more minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Please domt sell FF to Google..no non no
- earl wallace
still not convinced google understands the sociaL
- Jamie
Scoble: Hahaha ok.
- Rafael
MSFT better make a bid on that.... or they will really be locked out
- David Damore
NO! Google messes up every social service they buy
- Neal Jansons
from IM
googlel didn't buy pownce
- Chris Heath
Google didn't do squat with Dodgeball and Jaiku
- Mike Doeff
Like Google and Jaiku?
- ZillaFan
Loren is sad now.
- Rafael
Think it was 6 apart that bought pownce?
- Jamie
i want feedly
- Francine Hardaway
oops.. that's right it was Jaiku not Pownce
- Jerry Schuman
The Google Mafia....
- David Damore
Scoble must be google mafia too
- Brian Hendrickson
never heard that before
- David Damore
I see a Hugh MacLeod poster in the background at Scoble's... we have one like that too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
This is a time of IDEA creation
- David Damore
Really doubt ex-Googlers would sell to Google.
- Raphael, Raphael
Microsoft should buy Google who should then buy FriendFeed.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Friend feed needs mobile apps for all mobile OS
- earl wallace
Is that a Cubical Grenade... from Hugh
- David Damore
Scoble: Agreed with you
- Rafael
Everything needs time to set up to your taste.
- Rafael
First time posting on friend feed, forgot I even had an account til the guys were talking about it lol
- dawgbytez
go look at the case study Google just put up at the analytics blog about using it for Social media campaigns. Interesting read.
- Jerry Schuman
What data would one search on Facebook? Status updates, Notes....????
- David Damore
OMG!
- Rafael
That's a big big book!
- Rafael
david, what does one search for ever?
- Chris Heath
yeah im crying out for a good iphone friendfeed client
- Jamie
Did you read that entire book Robert?
- Mike Doeff
There's tons of data to search on facebook - especially if you have on the order of 5000 friends
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I doubt it
- Rafael
David : fan pages?
- Stanislas Jourdan
gillmor what are you saying/?
- Brian Hendrickson
I have to admit facebook sucks, I only signed up to search for out of touch friends and family then other ppl found me and added me.
- dawgbytez
jamie, you can go to the regular site on your iphone
- Chris Heath
crying for BB one too
- earl wallace
I know but I prefer a client
- Jamie
Hummmmm..... Interesting.....
- David Damore
Windows XP inside out Illustrated edition ahaha
- Rafael
"templates of best practices that get shared"
- Brian Hendrickson
there's the friendfeed-hacks group and the friendfeed-filters group
- Chris Heath
thanks Loren
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Steve is right on here - If it wasn't for Robert's ideas I would be swimming in data, and I wind up teaching that skill a lot now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm over a minute behind due to buffering.
- Raphael, Raphael
uasdhuahs
- Rafael
gillmor continue
- Brian Hendrickson
firefox for dummies
- Rafael
track for dummies
- Chris Heath
lol
- Chris Heath
Track for Dummies LOL
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Like I said.... I have a lot to learn and hanging out with such smart people here is awesome
- David Damore
miniscobleizer right there
- Rafael
Facebook is so boring
- earl wallace
dawgbytez: facebook is a lot cooler than people realize....it has some lousy features, but it's really going to take off
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
new to FF. seems like it is more dominated by tech people than twitter... is there non-tech related conversations somewhere on here?
- Brendan Clancy
FF development pace is too slow IMO
- Ryan Stanley
it's not real time - I have to click on a referesh
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I love Facebook. It doesn't get enough credit
- Jamie
I have to go! Bye every one! Nice conversation!
- Rafael
Brendan, the main topics here are tech and bacon
- Mike Doeff
Everyone for Everyone! :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Keep doing this good job with ff
- Rafael
Have fun Rafael
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oh good! i love bacon!!!
- Brendan Clancy
Thx guruvan you too!
- Rafael
out
- Rafael
Facebook is good for comments and such but then so is twitter which I'm also on, how many of these things do we really need?
- dawgbytez
I just use Stylish for FF themes.
- Raphael, Raphael
Brendan, FF is still very geeky for the moment, but things are changing currently
- Stanislas Jourdan
Bacon FTW!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
parallelized queries is a no brainer
- Jerry Schuman
It is a technology issue
- Vinay Y S
Gotta learn more about Facebook and how, when and what to search for on it.
- David Damore
Guruvan, My comment regarding boring(facebook)was too broad. I guess within the context of using it for my family
- earl wallace
FF don't have user, they've fans. Big difference
- Stanislas Jourdan
it's not the number of people who are *using* it - it's the amount of data to be searched/updated
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
How could it have been a problem if only 3% were using it?
- Omar Egan
Leo I have a Chariot sidecar have you seen those? in lieu of a trailer, it's a lot of fun
- Brian Hendrickson
it wasn't a technical problem omar
- Chris Heath
a lounge chair with pedals
- Jerry Schuman
Without those 3%, you can just do a join of the sender's and the receiver's followers.
- Raphael, Raphael
thanks Tina.
- Hilary Talbot
dawgbytez: we need as many of these things as it takes to get most of the people online, and they don't all like every kind of way to do it....people like me need to be on most of them so that we can connect the rest of them
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
thanks everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Makes sense to me Rob, I think lol
- dawgbytez
where can we get this show later and where can we get the wolfram interview later?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Steve, Tina, looking forward to getting the shows again on iTunes. It's rare that I can catch this live.
- Mike Doeff
my cat Gray is on my desk beggin for me to pet him. paw, paw, paw, paw
- Tina Chase Gillmor
noooo Steve
- Jamie
Leo: Can you put this on to repeat once it wraps?
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve, it works well as audio-only too
- Mike Doeff
steve, tina, an mp3 would be perfect
- Brian Hendrickson
this google/youtube wget (autopost?) sounds interesting
- Chris Heath
gillmor gang will always be an audio show
- Jamie
I guess that awnsers why the RSS feed hasnt been updated in a month :(
- Robert
Thanks Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
jamie, that's not what steve just said
- Chris Heath
Thanks everyone.
- David Damore
I like seeing it live, not sure I'd like to see on youtube unless I'm away during the show and miss it.
- dawgbytez
thanks everyone (1:30 AM here...)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Leo I think you should push your tweets to army.twit.tv I mean c'mon
- Brian Hendrickson
he said he now sees it as a video show
- Jamie
I dont care if its audio or video, as long as I can get it as a podcast
- Robert
Time to go outside and enjoy the sunshine
- Mike Doeff
dawgbytez yeah, but you have the choice... that's the point
- Chris Heath
Nuts, in an airport making a connection. Is there any chance of this one getting released for the network deprived?
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
I wouldnt hold your breath..
- Jamie
Leo please buy the A/C. I will up my participation
- earl wallace
aron, yes, it's getting on the re-runs and steve said it should get up somewhere (google video / youtube)? eventually
- Chris Heath
thanks y'all - time for dinner here
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
what was the wolfram show?
- Jamie
The fact that Steve hasn't been posting the recordings and there's no fixed schedule for repeats on TWiT... well.. sucks.
- Ken Sheppardson
just a one-off?
- Jamie
jamie, leo interviewed stephen wolfram (for the radio show and kiki's show)
- Chris Heath
Ken: agreed
- Thomas James
I felt like I needed a PHD in physics to keep up with Wolfram
- dawgbytez
yeah ken, i feel you
- Chris Heath
great twit lineup there!! Dvorak, molly wood, and becky worley
- Chris Heath
lol Leo!
- earl wallace
I guess if it's not real time it might as well be 3 weeks later... :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
Thanks Leo! I'd be lost without all the tech stuff you bring us
- dawgbytez
was wolfram on the wwdc stage a few years ago?
- Jamie
ken, tina's been helpful in explaining what's up... i did have to ask (dm on ff)
- Chris Heath
dave, yes and no, just like the other chats
- Chris Heath
Oh, I have no doubt there's some explanation that makes sense. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.
- Ken Sheppardson
definitely
- Chris Heath
Thats funny,Arrington just posted the words "gilmore gang" on FF, then deleted it again
- Robert
yeah I really wanted to hear last weeks show
- Jamie
jamie, it may make it out eventually
- Chris Heath
hope so
- Jamie
me too... i only caught the tail end
- Chris Heath
Ken, it makes me wonder if whatever partnership Gillmor Gang had with TechCrunch is no longer in place. The web versions are on gillmorgang.techcrunch.com It would make more sense to have it on Leo's TWiT network. I'm confused.
- Mike Doeff
I agree - at this point it makes a lot of sense for it to be hosted on TWiT
- Jamie
and who knows, perhaps one day we will see a return of the godaddy style infomercial at the start of the show. I miss those days :-)
- Jamie
Caught the tail end of the show... pretty kewl stuff :)
- Michael Lynch
I miss the Doug Kaye /IT Conversations intro at the start of the show ;)
- Robert
Yeah, who knows. I'd be amazed if it's any sort of falling out with TC... Steve's writing for TechcrunchIT.
- Ken Sheppardson
I would not be amazed at all
- Robert
gillmor and mike are cool
- Jamie
Considdering the size of all the Ego's involved, vendetta's and splits are bound to happen occasionally
- Robert
I still remember when the show imploded and took about a 6-8 month hiatus (mid-late 2007?)
- Mike Doeff
Was that a different period than when he split off from Adam Curry and couldnt use the name, or was that before?
- Robert
What did it implode over, can you recall?
- Robert
there was a meme from show to show about it being the last show
- Jamie
then there was drama in an episode, steve didn'tput it out and it really was the last show
- Jamie
Robert, yes that was what I was referring to.
- Mike Doeff
Adam Curry really made friends in the sphere, you hear from him all the time now ;)
- Robert
those earthlink ads :-)
- Jamie
This was the best Gillmor Gang to date...really opened my eyes as to how marketers/companies are using real time media as a marketing tool.
- Mike Gargano
How do we see or listen to yesterday's show?
- Arnie Klaus
HI FROM GEORGIA SOUNDING GOOD VEDIO GOOD ON TWIT TV
- daveccorey
Why a Twitter user is a like a dog - Holy Kaw! (pronounced "Holy Cow!") - http://holykaw.com/why-a-t...
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...very funny!
- Robert Rowe
OMG... I resemble that remark!
- Arleen Anderson
I think the average person feels the need to think that other people actually care whether they exist or not... some feel this need more than others... it isn't "I think, therefore I am", it is "you read my tweet, you know I am"
- Paula W
yep, that's what my dog says every time I take him for his walk and he's reading his p-mail. lol
- Laura Zickus
Live now, The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Robert Scoble, Loren Feldman, and Mike Arrington. http://live.twit.tv. Discuss here.... (via http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...)
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That intro owned.... ;)
- Colin
Pretty nice format, it's the first time I see the show as video.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
The gang should check out @Wolfman_Alpha he seems to be giving that other guy a run for his money... He wants a puppet, too. :-)
- Robert Morrison
Check.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
+ To the Hudson River incident reference, I heard of that fact as the fastest response in one of Google TechTalks.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
+ To the commercial aspect being possible by linking to the direct users. Crowd sourcing of sorts for the greater good.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Yep, that was pretty nice to do. And it worked, that's what it's all about.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
But how things develop is what's driving its interest. The mystery of the mechanics. Learning to adapt and react, and make it an amazingly developed mind-set.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
I'm adding Google Friend Connect to my blog. Big question: does it go above or below the Facebook widget? Help me choose:
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above
- Brian Appleby
Crowd sourcing website design decisions. My gut feel is "above." Why?
- Robert Scoble
Above :) "Because it's more important than the Facebook widget :) "
- Ahmed
above - I've found more people are using the Friend Connect widget.
- Jesse Stay
Because I think Google is going to be more important long term than Facebook. That's a HUGE bet, but now that Google is putting contacts on the search results pages I see that Google is swinging for the fence finally.
- Robert Scoble
Above.
- Andrew Leyden
Above. Make it easy for people to see and to try.
- David Damore
ABOVE, Google > FB google has lasting power.. who knows where FB will be in a year or two :}
- Rachael Depp
Robert, I think I agree with you. Facebook has the privacy game down, but as far as the public web goes, they have absolutely no search product to index and track it. It's only what's within their own private web that they can track. Google has the public web down, which is far larger. Facebook would need to get into the search game to fully compete with Google.
- Jesse Stay
Rachael, I think FB has lasting power too. I just think they have a longer way to go before they're Google caliber, and at that point Google will be even bigger than they are today.
- Jesse Stay
I have been bored of FB for a good solid year. the revamping didn't help that either. snooze. I might make a Google Profile soon. Those I like.
- Rachael Depp
What is the point of adding Google Friend Connect? What benefits will it add to your blog?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Rahsheen ... GOOGLE IT!
- Rachael Depp
Rahsheen - community
- Jesse Stay
Above for sure!
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
the next question is which gadgets you add for your users to interact with - don't miss that stage...
- Kevin Marks
I know what it is. I had it on my blog. Maybe it's different now. I wasn't really seeing what it added above and beyond what a blog already provides.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, FriendConnect's much more than just a widget. As far as the widget goes though, it entitles users to a sense of community, and allows them to share your blog with their other social network friends pretty easily. I also use the wall, and it provides a nice means of communication (in multiple languages!) amongst my readers on a blog-wide scale, more than comments on a single post can provide.
- Jesse Stay
Rahsheen - have a look at the gadget gallery at http://www.google.com/friendc... for more ways for your readers to interact; bear in mind that developers can write new gadgets that help them socialize
- Kevin Marks
Looks like I was the 4th person to joining the Google Friend Connect for your blog... Never used it before... :D
- David Damore
Look like I'm the only one that signed in with my Twitter ID..
- Orli Yakuel
I have never used Google Friend Connect but I guess I use these services differently then most people, I use Facebook to communicate with close friends and family, and all the other services to interact with the world... I honestly think that Facebook should stick with the close friends idea and focus on cleaning it up some, let twitter and friendfeed and anyone else battle it out for...
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- Nathan McClain
There is a wordpress plugin for FriendConnect, can you use that together with Disqus so people can login and post comments using FriendConnect as well?
- Charbax
Above. Facebook < Google
- Brandon Titus
FriendConnect should interact and share subscribers/members with FriendFeed, that would be cool.
- Charbax
Nice...just added myself. I put it at the bottom while I test it and figure out what I can really do with it. Just testing the waters right now.
- Jamie Ginsberg
above :)
- Anita Hunt
Interesting that the Google Component is getting more engagement than the Facebook one is. That matches the feedback I got here.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook users dont read blogs ;)
- Robert
Robert : you can try as well the comments box its working gr8
- Johni Fisher
above
- Johnny
I just noticed that the Google Component and the friendfeed components are the same color scheme. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
wow... id never really played with friend connect before... i see that you can publish activities to a stream (opt in) and they're accessible on any site youve connected too. I'm starting to get where google's headed and I like it.
- Frankie Warren
Is there any way to moderate the comments that people add to Google Friend Connect?
- Mathew Packer
Matthew: I think I can. I have a trash can for each comment. Want to leave me a test that I'll trash?
- Robert Scoble
How many of you have ditched RSS for Twitter - and if so why?
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Steve, I was just about to give up RSS for Twitter, but then a few weeks ago, you wrote that Twitter had peaked, so I decided to just wait until the next thing I'm supposed to give up for the next thing I'm supposed to trade it in for.
- Rex Hammock
Rex, you're a good man.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
for me Twitter supplements my RSS consumption but doesn't replace any of it. Twitter is more about discovery of things I wouldn't normally know about via RSS.
- Tac Anderson
I agree, it is more like mining for information on twitter.
- Drew Lucas
Don't have time for both RSS and Twitter so I focus on the current conversation over the archive.
- Jason Catena
Twitter & Hacker News have taken up most of frequent, distracted attention I used to spend on reading feeds. I still go back to feeds to do my deep reading tho
- Kingsley Joseph
I have to agree that RSS has fallen off my radar due to the time I put into Twitter and other Social Media tools (FF).
- John Flynn
I second John Flynn's remarks.
- Jeff Stannard
I feed social networks with RSS... so if I stop, and everyone else stops... where is the information going to come from?
- Bwana ☠
Nope, RSS is still extremely useful especially coupled with #Feedly
- Rick Bucich
twitter is snacking, rss is having diner.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin - fully agreed.
- Richard Zeidel
I will never ditch RSS. It is too easy and great. I don't check as often as Twitter, but I can save posts and refer back to them when I need to. I can also easily find blogs there, rather than my bookmarks, which is flooded. Twitter is GREAT, but who knows if it will last? MySpace was great once, too. RSS is more stable than a social network, and easier to sort (no hashtags required).
- Angela Wilson
I wouldn't. For the Twitter and RSS have different uses. And I wouldn't spam the people that follow me at twitter with links to posts.
- Bibi
No way. Never.
- Louis Gray
Not ditched, but Twitter's become my primary social RSS. They're different rabbits.
- phil baumann
two different things...two different uses. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i use friendfeed for both feedreading and twitterstream.
- lodro
I'm just cutting down on number of followers and feeds. Seems to help with managing information overload.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Twitter is too ephemeral... would need some organization (folders/tags/saved-searches) and mark-as-read functionality at the very least for me to even consider it. RSS is essential to me for required reading and for discovery.
- LogEx
Not at all, if anything Twitter/Friendfeed etc has helped me find new RSS feeds to add.
- Adam Turetzky
That's like hiring the garbage company to DELIVER trash to your door.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
if anyone did it, he's an idiot
- Zio Bonino
Twitter for Microblogs and Status Updates, Google Reader for regular blogs, Friendfeed for actual conversations!
- Dane Findley
Ditching RSS in lieu of Twitter?? What's next, ditching email for DM's? Not a smart move.
- Kevin Pruett
I think Kevin just summed it up nicely. I'll just add: The number of websites who provide real-time updates to Twitter is minuscule. When that changes, then we'll talk about swapping RSS for Twitter.
- Alexander Grundner
Nope, absolutely not. Twitter serves its purpose as microblogging and link sharing but RSS still has a purpose for me. Not everything I read is shared through Twitter (actually, I should hope not!). If I got all my news through Twitter, it would be more of an echo-chamber than it already is. Further more, I work in marketing. I use RSS to keep up with client industry news and to aggregate information. Twitter cannot do this for me.
- Violet Mae Lim
I got sick of reading long blog posts about the best way to develop software.... at least with twitter you get rid of long windedness. :)
- Paul Kinlan
i did not. and i won't you can't find in 140 char what a full page gives you
- Ouriel Ohayon
I've pushed most of my feeds to Twitter.For me, trying to keep up with RSS was like having another email inbox from hell. Now I catch what I can and let the rest pass over me. http://bit.ly/YQcK5
- Tech Introvert
...i've mostly ditched blogging for Twitter.
- .LAG liked that
I have ditched RSS for FriendFeed. I prefer the Real-Time Web. Welcome to the RTW!
- Dimitar Vesselinov
I'm with Dimitar... go FF go!
- Janice
Everyone! Haven't you heard -- Twitter is dead. Oh wait. I'm confused. RSS is dead. Umm. Steve Gillmor? It's TechCrunch -- it's dead. That's right.
- Dave Winer
Feedly + Firefox really makes Google Reader useful, IMHO
- .LAG liked that
no way. though i have reduced the number of feeds i actively keep up with.
- coffee
++Lag. Love my Feedly plus FF/Twitter. I have cut down on feeds however.
- Bonnie Foster
I love my netnewswire. It's all the stuff I've personally asked for rather than the stuff others feel they need to throw at me.
- Josh Kinal
from twhirl
yup, same here
- Jeremiah Owyang
I'm still using my RSS readers a lot. Google Reader on line and Byline on the iPhone. Less "clicks" on the iPhone.
- Mike Beck
OK, so this post brought out mostly RSS lovers (which I remain). Yet why is it that some are now railing against RSS? Here's another thought RSS = a standard. We have no standards for status updates and thus Twitter and Facebook are in the driver's seat. RSS is final and stable.
- Steve Rubel
Nope. I see different uses in the different services. I like the organization of a reader. and I like your comment about the standards and stability and lack thereof on Twitter and FB. Also, I like to pick my news sources and trust that I am getting something accurate. SkyGrid is a nice combination of real fast / real time and reliable.
- Martha
On the contrary, besides using Twitter, I've added lots of RSS from Twitter to Google Reader.
- Mike Reynolds
My comment is a bit suggestive because of my work with Alltop. But even so, Twitter could not replace the gens I find via RSS too.
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
Not me. Twitter is still too noisy.
- Tamar Weinberg
why ditch anything?
- Sheri Fresonke Harper
Sheri- Because people like to talk about this "king" "killing" that "king" and "destroying" this "queen" blah blah blah. ;) In my opinion, one new form of technology or communication doesn't always have to replace another.
- Violet Mae Lim
That question is ridiculous. RSS is far easier to manage and customize and can deliver a lot more information. Watching the interests of your social graph on Twitter is great, but far more and higher quality information can be consumed, (re)organized, and aggregated with a good RSS reader.
- David Chartier
Still like both. With Twitter I feel like I keep up with individuals better, and catch new stuff earlier than I might anywhere else. Reader still gives me a ton of good reading from all the places I like best though ...
- Patrick Jordan
I still use RSS but more for reference. I get the link to the post in Twitter and then go look at the feed
- Janet Fouts
I'm still a fan of Netvibes, and I have not ditched RSS for Twitter, I've made some RSS out of Twitter searches, does that count?
- Albert Maruggi
FriendFeed replaced RSS for me a while ago.
- Thomas Hawk
Ditch RSS for Twitter? Never. RSS is the fuel for the real time web - they're complimentary products. http://bit.ly/10dkr8
- AJ Kohn
I will most likely not ditch ditch rss for twitter, both are good and valuable, but rss is useful since one can't always read it
- Justin Yost
Ditched RSS for FriendFeed ;)
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I really never understand why you should give up RSS for Twitter. Why? Could someone please explain this über productive idea?
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
i'm still a heavy Google Reader user.
- Alex
The more interesting question may be how many have replaced RSS with FriendFeed...
- Josh Street
from twhirl
<sigh> I dunno. I see twitter as a subplot of FF and FF is also a subplot. Even slashdot used to be cool.
- Derek Lords
Haven't heard Slashdot mentioned in years
- Mike Reynolds
Ditching RSS for Twitter will work as the idea that people wouldn't look at paintings once photos came out
- shelisrael1
I think there is some confusion here. Are we talking about giving up on the technology that is called RSS, or are we simply talking about switching the platform on which we consume these ie. ditching google reader for friendfeed or twitter. Friendfeed lives on RSS feeds, the links you get on twitter most probably come straight out of someone's rss reader. The question is, if we ditch...
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- Kasper Sorensen
I discover more of value through friendfeed than twitter, really. But once I determine the long term value of a site it goes into my google reader, if it's Really important (i.e. top 10) it goes in my operamini feeds on my phone.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I agree @ron
- Justin Yost
it is like dithing your car for fishing: they are not the same. More precisely, Rss gives you focuses attention on the sources of information. Twitter gives you second hand check-it-outs that are possibly not so focused or accurate, but *seem* more urgent because they are in real time.
- Michele Costabile
I use RSS, don't like twitter, and seems no reason.
- yagami
How many of you have ditched bathing for Twitter - and if so why?
- Dave Winer
I ditched porn for Twitter since, you know, it makes so much sense to do so.
- Scott Jarkoff
I use both RSS and Twitter. I use Twitter more frequently though.
- Donelle
RSS is quite useful, both serve their own purpose
- Erik Magraken
this is BS, twitter can't and won't replace RSS, neither will friendfeed for that matter
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Twitter gives me a portal to the author but won't replace RSS
- Joe Dawson
I increasingly use Twitter Search rather than Google Search or RSS to find cleantech news to blog about.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Nopes, Twitter has a long way to go before it replaces RSS. My days begins by reading 500 feeds, imagine how many tweets would I have to go through to get all those news!
- Rajtilak Bhattacharjee
For ordinary web users who are only interested in a handful of feeds, maybe 10 or 20 then twitter beats a feed reader hands down. Much simpler to use, easy to understand and real time. Plus twitter has the social media/communication features. However power users that are tracking 100 or more feeds need a reader for their research. The google reader / feedly combination is hard to beat for these people.
- Adrian
Google reader is evil and must be destroyed. Who has time to sift through 400 unread posts per day?
- Tech Introvert
How can Twitter replace a few decent RSS feeds? Not understanding the Twitter love...
- George Gray
I don't understand, RSS and Twitter are two different services. Have I missed something? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I spend time on Twitter where I would have otherwise been in Google Reader. It's easier to follow trending topics on Twitter.
- Peter Warnock
did a blog post a while back called 'my network is my search engine' but truth is, probably meant my 'network is one of my rss feeds' - not an either or proposition for me
- leigh himel
Many RSS feeds push their content thru Twitter, which makes Twitter a real-time RSS reader (that doesn't act like a horrific email inbox, ahem Google Reader). FF is an even better implementation of this, if only more sites pushed their feeds thru FF.
- Tech Introvert
No, they're two different use cases for me. Twitter is real time conversation. RSS is non-real time information.
- Ian Betteridge
What Ian said. IMHO, their strengths are so different it would be silly not to use both.
- Karen Mohler
If anything, Twitter points me towards more stuff to add to my RSS!
- Amie Gillingham
Yeah, what Ian said. I'd just get lost in the info if I got all RSS via Twitter.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
I am using RSS in FriendFeed. What I have ditched is Google Reader. RSS is underlying technology, not an application. We'll keep using that underlyng technology for a long time. We may ditch the readers, but not the RSS itself.
- Bora Zivkovic
I haven't ditched sourcing news via RSS for Twitter, but I have subscribed to more news via Twitter and find myself getting it more frequently on twitter.
- tekhelet
This isn't the right kind of debate. It's distracting from the fact that both are useful.
- William Mougayar
nope, not going to happen. A) twitter doesn't have all the blogs I read B)there's no good aggregation of blog notices - I can't come back 2 days later & find older content.
- clarke thomas
For Twitter? No, maybe for Friendfeed in some time.
- Diego Espinoza V.
Because I got the gist of the post and a quick link in the same stream. No more reader for over 12 months
- derek
i ditched twitter
- Marcus Brown
Traditional RSS readers are even more boring than Facebook. Stopped using them a long time ago. I do consume RSS feeds still in FriendFeed but though a socially filtered lifestyle.
- Thomas Hawk
I have pretty much ditched RSS for FriendFeed. I use Twitter also.
- Bill Romanos
for must part..BUT subscribing via RSS to derivations from Twitter can be useful, for example, I subscribe via RSS to http://www.whatthetrend.com/ . It gives me the day's trends PLUS explanations as to why which is key. Extremely useful to go through just in case I missed something during the day.
- Mike Bracco
your followings are your feed source - Human Syndication. spending most of your time on Twitter, you dont have time to switch to RSS. Also, with RSS feeds coming from media companies, news may not break as quickly with human syndication which Twitter provides. With RSS feeds coming from Blogs, the news will have broken out on Twitter prior to that blogger's RSS feed hitting you somehow...
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- iTbay
No. RSS still has a place on my computer (or at least in my web browser). I prefer it for it's easy-to-read aspect and it's speed (Google Reader is awesome). Twitter is for discovery, as is friendfeed.
- Amy H.
RSS bankrupcy. Hundreds of blogs unread. By reading Twitter only on the web and not on the phone, and using Twitter search, I get what I get. The rest finds its way, so I don't have to pile up enormous wads of reading in my Google reader. RSS is still absolutely vital, however, for those who block you on Twitter. You search their name, RSS the search results, read them on Google. My new Google read attention space is the ppl like @ajkeen who have blocked me on Twitter.
- Prokofy Neva
I subscribe to Twitter hash-tag and keyword searches via RSS and read them in Google Reader. I see the them as complimentary.
- Mike Boudreaux
I usually have Google Reader/feedly & TweetDeck open at the same time.
- Jason R. Hunter
Hundreds of RSS feeds and no time to consume; Twitter better fits my lifestyle. Plus, the community that surrounds me shares very similar interests, so I can count on useful info from them.
- Paul Chaney
"Having RSS feed" =/= "using Twitter", so I read the RSS of a lot of sites every day via NetNewsWire.
- Rick Cogley
I use RSS to read Twitter (meaning) I can follow some people on Twitter via Google RSS reader (without really following them). Does that make sense?
- Doug Vos
Thanks for the free business cards Google. I'll probably never use them (I don't think I've handed out a FriendFeed card yet) but they are nice
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Benjamin, I want one of your FriendFeed cards. If we ever meet please save one for me. :-)
- Jesse Stay
♥ em!
- AJ Batac
Pls send to Pat O'Mahony, 1506 Versailles Drive, Richardson, Tx. 75081 USA
- pomahony2
there are friendfeed cards?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Sorry to confuse you Joelle: I work at FriendFeed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin, can you authorize a "misprinted" card with my info on it?
- Amber, Random Time Lord
I have to admit, they look a lot better than the highly compressed dynamic image that was being displayed for the promotion! BTW, is that card on the right your FriendFeed business card or the reverse of the Google one?
- Tony Ruscoe
Tony: The right is the reverse of my FriendFeed business card (the front has my phone number on it :P). The reverse of the Google cards are blank.
- Benjamin Golub
lucky you - and clueless of me :)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Got mine today. Underwhelmed but they were free and will be fun to give to people while saying I have a new job and here's how to reach me. :D
- CAJ, somewhere else
hey those look sharp!! love 'em!!
- Susan Beebe
When was this promotion? sounds like i missed the boat haha
- Frankie Warren
Oooo seeing those two together has given me an idea. To Moo!
- EricaJoy
the friendfeed one is way cooler ...
- Laura Norvig
yeah, the ff cards are indeed slicker.
- Brett Kelly
One of my ex-managers suggested I use old business cards for grocery lists or other sticky note-ish things; at least that way you can get some use before you recycle them.
- Muneer Mirza
I still never got a Google biz card
- Outsanity
mine should be here in a day or two.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Got mine a day or two ago, very nice cards. Maybe I'll get a chance to use them sometime.
- Grant Bierman
I got a set of Google cards myself. Kind of a cool idea, but I don't think I'll ever hand them out myself.
- Hunt
I got mine as well
- Kreg Steppe
I got mine too. Look cool, but looks like I work for Google. I bet I could pass them off to an unsuspecting person and say "I work for Google."
- Robert Scoble
no google cards for european citizens?
- Dani Martínez
I was going to get some but I had just ordered my KangarooBox business cards and didn't want to take someone's possible goodies. :)
- Richard Hurt
I hand out Moo cards on the street all the time. People love them.
- Thomas Hawk
Have to consider this "street thing".... Is this like "going out"? ;))
- Dieter Schwarz
Mine are printed 'Your Name Here' on the cards, but with the correct name on the mailing envelope. Fun. And prophetic.
- A Mitchell
I haven't received mine yet
- Brian J King
from twhirl
tap tap tap tap tap....oh yeah "Snail" mail....gonna be escargot mail when I'm done ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have yet to receive mine which are being delivered to the Gplex. :(
- EricaJoy
Agreed on the will never use them - in hindsight should have passed but my inner-geek insisted I order 'em.
- gregory leff
from fftogo
Hey, you can always use them to enter free food contests at restaurants! Just drop the card in the fishbowl for a free meal. :)
- Richard Hurt
It's only a matter of time before someone uses these to pick up women in a bar... stay tuned...
- paula gould
How do people go about getting these? Both are great for networking events. [UPDATE #1] A quick on search Google points me here: http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009... I guess I need to finish filling out my profile so I can take advantage of the offer. [UPDATE #2] It looks like all the free cards have been given away. I finished completing my profile and there's no link to a free business card :(
- Alexander Grundner
Wow those are nice.
- Shawn Chen
Alexander: http://tinyurl.com/om8evd Forgive me but I don't recall the exact link or method
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: The link was http://www.google.com/profile...
- Alexander Grundner
I'm anxiously awaiting my Google cards. Not sure who I'll give them to yet. Maybe relatives? LOL
- Mike Templeton
Nice friendfeed business card! I don't think I'm allowed to talk about the google cards <_< >_>
- Nate
Alexander: You know I was just dying to use the lmgtfy for something today. no snark intended ;-) I just love that site.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: No worries. I can appreciate it now that know what Imgtfy is. I might have to use that on someone ;)
- Alexander Grundner
I don't have one of your business cards! Bring me one when you come visit. Please and thank you :)
- Marci Golub
RT @TechCrunch: Stuck On Hotmail or Yahoo Mail? Gmail Just Made It Incredibly Easy To Switch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Gmail -> Google Apps for Domains migration? :-) :-)
- Kevin Fox
Physics WIN! http://img2.pict.com/01...
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I rarely see products that I find are interesting but "GetGlue" steps us into the era of social colonization http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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social colonization...interesting term...
- Jim Gray
Nice write-up, Glue definitely fits into your "colonization" theme. Did you get a chance to talk with the AB team about the products? They have very interesting technology powering their system.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I'm interested to see how they handle the cases that brought so much scrutiny to Beacon. For example, how does friend group work and determine which item views to share with each
- Derek Coatney
From what I've seen of Glue there's no real expectation of privacy, friend relationships simply push people you know to the top of your list of possible reviews to see when viewing items. It's been a while since I used Firefox regularly though so I could be misremembering. @Fraser will undoubtedly be around to set the record straight if necessary.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
@Derek - at the highest level there's a few things to keep in mind. First, the idea of Beacon (that we want to benefit from friend recommendations) wasn't wrong, it was just implemented incorrectly. It was publisher opt-in, screw the end-user. Glue inverts this, so it's end-user opt-in and Glue appears on popular sites around the web to show you what your friend thought of the item...
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- Fraser
@Fraser great answer and glad it's been so well thought out! The basis of my comment is around the idea that we all have a few different bucket of connections that we want to define what level of insight they have into our lives.
- Derek Coatney
@Derek, we agree as well. Right now Glue is completely inactive on sites that are not about everyday things ( see http://getglue.com/sites ). This was done partially because while we're comfortable sharing the books or movies that we're consuming (with the ability to not share specific items, of course) we're generally not comfortable sharing our click streams or attention data across all sites.
- Fraser
Here's more on me joining Electronic Arts (ERTS) Board of Directors: http://news.ea.com/portal... (DM input on what they could/should do is welcomed)
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Congrats, Jeff!
- Bret Taylor
See this site Sugarstacks http://www.sugarstacks.com/ which shows how much sugar is in the foods you consume
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FriendFeed Blog: A whole new FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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We launched!
- Bret Taylor
Nice. I like the Email/IM notification accordion the the home page. The people who stayed on legacy FriendFeed are going to feel this one.
- Mark Trapp
Un-like!
- YusufOzanTasdemir
Can we get an old.friendfeed.com
- Andrew Smith
Congrats!
- Stephen Mack
I so love these new features. I have been using the beta since it came about, and I used it instead of the regular, ugly Friendfeed. One problem, their is no accounts button, how do I change other information. That was one slight design flaw that needs to be fixed.
- Zachary TG
@Andrew Smith +1
- Hüseyin Mert
Awesome :)
- Ross Miller
At last !
- Luka
i don't want to use this. There must be alternative to use old FF
- Filiz Koyuncu
congrat's
- mike "glemak" dunn
Zachary: we updated the "settings" page ("settings" link below your name in the top right); everything should be in there now. Let us know if you notice anything missing.
- Tudor Bosman
horrible :S we want old FF
- Kaan Ukturk
There are quite a few user styles available if you're using Firefox and the Stylish extension. http://userstyles.org/styles...
- tiffany
Guys, you're doing a bad thing launching half-baked version without a notice. There's at least no imaginary friends and I can't export my subscriptions now (I've used FrF as RSS reader and have hundreds of them). That's not mentioning another little tweaks you've missed (i.e. service icons — even FaceBook got it right, they have service icons for imported entries and have no for their own status updates). You're ruining the whole experience of managing a lot of information.
- Juras Vetrau
It's awesome. I really appreciate http://friendfeed.com/setting.... Also, I don't want to be negative, but is the "live search" coming?
- Jérôme Flipo
WANT OLD FF? http://friendfeed.com/alpb...
- Alp
congrats! now back to "listening to your users" pls :)
- Phil Smirnov
please give back old friendfeed, this one looks bad
- Peter
Juras, I think there are one other % of FF users who feel the same. Same think happened to Facebook users. But we've to move on. Imaginary friends can be added as "feed". The lack of service icons AFAIK increased the generic participation (in Friendfeed). You can create filters for "service=" if it's necessary. I agree with you on the OPML part.
- Jérôme Flipo
Rock & Roll! Very happy with the interface. Thanks for listening to the considered opinions you have, and implementing fixes when necessary. You guys have done a fantastic job of keeping people informed of new changes.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I still don't like it, but I still continue to using FF
- Kristian Salonen
Those who can't handle the real-time, press Q: RT will be disabled by default for your account (re-press Q for the flood).
- Jérôme Flipo
Juras: I'm pretty sure they've been letting everyone know about this for some time...Where have you been?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The settings to automatically post likes or comments to Twitter are missing.
- Pat Hawks
couldn't you just put the old FF to old.friendfeed.com or somewhere like that?
- Barış (beyn.org)
Bret, you SHOULD check this out. New realtime version has JavaScript errors can be observed in Firebug: http://i39.tinypic.com/33u64qp... Now, I got 93 error. I think you changed something about AJAX response format (?)
- Alp
+1 Rob, this is hardly without notice. They've been shouting about it for weeks.
- Pat Hawks
Alp: thanks, we are looking into the issue
- Bret Taylor
Always there are those resistant to change. I remind you all of the last couple of Facebook updates. At least the FriendFeed team listens and responds to complaints, problems and issues, and corrects them when necessary ----Big smiles and kudos for that!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@jeromeflipo: FrF was internet's GTD tool — one inbox for all links and discussions with accurately separated content. Now it's a vast of content where you should read instead of scanning. It takes much more time. New design is good but core features doesn't work properly.
- Juras Vetrau
You can find your Twitter publishing settings at http://friendfeed.com/setting.... You can find all the links to your settings by clicking the "settings" link under your name at the top right of every page (http://friendfeed.com/...)
- Bret Taylor
I love the new FF. Just wonder if the play/pause state can be remembered, so people might disable realtime updates.
- Arnaldo M Pereira
Bret, how do I get to the Advanced Twitter settings from the settings link under my name? I don't see it.
- Pat Hawks
Would be great to get the "best ofs" in a list via email too.
- Steve Rubel
Bret, you're welcome. I hope you don't remove http://friendfeed.com/realtime option for nostalgy :) By the way, in new version how can we learn users have subscribed us? You removed it from user popup dialog. And I think user-info popup has many whitespaces :) Why don't u fill them with comment/like stats? It shows the activity of user. I think it is critical.
- Alp
i love it!
- patrick
The play/pause state is remembered, so you can permanently turn off real-time if you don't want it. Steve: great point, we will add the ability to get "Best of" emailed to you.
- Bret Taylor
Play/pause wasn't remembered once, now it works. Maybe it was my mistake, thanks!
- Arnaldo M Pereira
Nice work.
- Caleb Elston
trying to enable IM notifications - maybe just slow? Not getting anything on the ol' GTalk..
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
love the new site, once I got use to it, keep up the good work
- Kim Landwehr
i really love the new interface :)
- alexandere
what?! beta can't be over, it's only been three weeks!
- Edward Zwart
Bret: I'm not seeing the posting link on the settings page: http://www.flickr.com/photos... How do you get to it without memorizing the URL?
- Mark Trapp
Feedback: http://friendfeed.com/yarosla... Thanks.
- yaroslav
@Yaroslav, totally agree.
- Ежи Петерсбурский
First impression: new design just sucks compared to the old one, ant to the twitter's, if that's what you want to be like.
- Laenn
@Yaroslav oh yes
- Химия и Жизнь
from fftogo
no, please, this doesn't make sense!!
- Giovanni Calia
Feedback : I want old FF ... Pls old.friendfeed.com
- Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik
where are you old ff?
- Ersin KOÇ
wo0T! the IM notifier ROCKS...I'M uber-stoked on that feature. (IM is the new email! lol!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
No offends, but seriously, the visual design sucks.
- Ежи Петерсбурский
I wish it could use a little more of my monitor screen real estate. :)
- Ray Cromwell
Bret, Dan or s.b. else, another CRUCIAL PROBLEM I discovered, after this new release, when people subscribed to me, I got notification mails entitled "... subscribed to your Friendfeed" twice or three times (which have a few minutes of delay between each other). You changed anything about mails settings(?) My friends ALSO reported that they get 2+ mails for new subscriber notifications.
- Alp
Mark, you can find the posting link from the Tools page (found at the bottom of any page)
- Dan Hsiao
If you are going to give us all of this (wasted) grey space to the side of our live feed, at least let us put our own background on the page. I mean, that would make you that much more like twitter, which seems to be the goal.
- Wizetux
Qwerty: did you get a stupid picture gift (or see a bunch of "Which 70s rockstar are you" quizzes? LOL! -That's how you'd know you're on Facebook. (oh, and the new spam that they have there....got my first one today!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Bret: Can I post via IM? If so can I CC:Twitter from there?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
doh! I didn't see the help link in the IM. I have another reading lesson scheduled for tomorrow
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
ok...the CC:Twitter via IM question still stands....if not, can you think about adding that?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Really like the new UI. Thanks!
- Oliver Bouchard
I need the feed icons back.
- Peter
i really like the new look and feel - the page scrolling when it auto-updates takes a little getting used to.
- J.D. Deutschendorf
Good beta period. Here's to the Whole New Thing™.
- Chris Baskind
http://friendfeed.com/sunipey... change your avatar now..!
- Kaan Ukturk
Dan Hsiao: aha! Thanks.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, it's now available under your settings too :)
- Dan Hsiao
Awesome, thanks Dan.
- Mark Trapp
How do I add virtual friends?
- Peter
The best thing about this is that ff.im now points at the new design.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
doubt i can get easily used to the "new" ff :( still have a firefox tab open on the realtime, with the old layout. guess i will just keep it as long as i can 0:)
- giuseppe c. | markgreene
I'm disappointed Imaginary friends has disappeared. I was actually using that feature to follow friends on Twitter (who didn't have FF accounts). Is there a way to do the same thing?
- Marc Chung
looks gr8!
- Amit
FOR ALL OF THOSE WANTING IMAGINARY FRIENDS: http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Wizetux
@Wizetux Thanks. Btw, your caps are on :)
- Marc Chung
New interface sucks. It really sucks, and giving headaches. You shouldve kept the old interface. Thanks for ruining one of my daily routines.
- Onur Gündüz
lovin it. are the best-of-summaries für the lists coming back?
- Marcel Weiß
@Marc: I know, I was attempting to yell over the noise of the grumbling over the new layout.
- Wizetux
Will it help if I join the crowd disliking the new version? Can't follow the conversation, too much color, too much moving around...
- Handem
Bret where are best of for lists? I don't see them anymore.
- Steve Rubel
The landing page - friendfeed.com - is especially great !
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Bret, Turkish users ask a favor; please, we ask for old.friendfeed.com ~ old style, look our avatars.
- Hüseyin Mert
Not gonna happen, dude. Progress is progress.
- LANjackal
I don't understand how to create Imaginary Friends. Yes "create a feed", whatever that's real helpful, not. I think the source for every entry should be an icon on the right like the previous version. Real-time updates are interesting and comments are the only reason to use this over twitter. New posting feature is good but everyone isn't on FF so I need Imaginary friends to continue to use FF or else buh-bye!
- Jude
@Jude The terminology is a bit confusing: It should really read "create a group" and add feeds to the group: Click "Browse /edit groups" > "Create a group". Setting it to private is basically the same thing as creating an Imaginary friend.
- Marc Chung
恭喜上线
- 阿石
Please, old style friendfeed interface.New interface is wrong...
- nagas
@Marc, @Wizetux thanks for clarifying. At some point during the beta they were using the terminology, "create a feed" and now you have to click on Groups in order to get to the place to "create a feed" but you have to know that it's called "create a group" - AWKWARD ... I think that is a navigational fail and a nomenclature fail. "Create a feed" is important enough that it should have it's own link on every page OR Groups should just be called Feeds.
- Laura Norvig
Yep. It's one of the most enjoyable and notable addition in years in the way it's handled. It's in its complexity where, as the experiment is, as a whole a very as speedy, as you want it and as slow as reading is. Missing everything or nothing. Noticing and warming up of individuals, all linked by that exercise, always now expanding. Good job to all of you, the ideas were really good in all ways. As played out. Many thanks. ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
for the interface. I think it is not as good as old edition.
- Ccming
I WANT THE OLD VERSION PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
- TechFuga
I hope you have read my bug report above.
- Alp
or can we have a link for the old version!!!!
- TechFuga
One more request: can we please have an API for userscripts? Due to dynamic nature of pages it suddenly became very hard to do anything persistent to FriendFeed from Greasemonkey. All I need is a hook from inside FrF javascript to process new portions of pages.
- Alex Kapranoff
+1 to Alex Kapranoff's request. Also, please at least bring back service icons (them missing really interrupts my parsing of the stream, especially with those big ass avatars), if you won't provide us with http://old.friendfeed.com (or http://classic.friendfeed.com :P)
- Gina Häußge
Gina, there is a user script to add service icons, in case that helps: http://userscripts.org/scripts...
- Micah Wittman
Micah, thanks, already found that (first thing was to look up on userstyles and userscripts for means to help myself ;)), but it's kind of a hack, and IMHO it would be way better if the FF team included that feature back into the code base. Don't know why anyone would consider it a good idea to remove it in the first place tbh, but hey, we all know these days...
- Gina Häußge
I don't want to use this. There must be alternative to use old FF
- altblog
Congrats, guys. Even works on IE6 now.
- James Myatt
get over it and use a third party client... you sound like people who use CDs
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
Kemp, show me one that works as well and is as visually appealing as the old site (and also on both windows and linux without depending on Air (because that still kinda sucks under Linux)) and I'll shut up ;)
- Gina Häußge
sadly as a windows user and therefore pleeb (Slang for plebian. Often used to refer to noobs in an elitist sense.) by Macers and Linux' who can't help but be the envy of all. Sadly I sit contented by massive numbers of development projects and a variety of programs to choose from that is generally unlimited in cutting edge web apps... although I am a windows pleeb.
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
@Micah I tried the script. It doesn't work with imaginary friends.
- Peter
now look super
- Faizar
How do I create imaginary friend feeds in the new gui?
- Carlos Brefe
Ouch, don't like. Agree with some of Juras V's comments, this makes skimming my feed for keeping a pulse on info/discussions MUCH worse for the time-starved (not speaking of RT aspect). Oh well, will try this for a bit, but feels like point where in Tom Peters' language FF is moving to "fire me as a customer." (Yes, I know we're not paying customers. I would have paid for old svc, was...
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- Casey
Will the daily activity emails (basically a digest) resume? Mine seemed to halt Apr 27 and the Email settings which seem currently available are absolutely flooding my inbox (had to turn it off within 5 mins). Please bring back daily digest type emails, really helpful if away for business or other reasons and ability to skim to catch up on info.
- Casey
@mchung Thanks for trying to clarify. Although creating a feed does not work the same since if a person already has a feed that's private, I can't use the same name. Bring back imaginary friends!!!
- Jude
Congrats FF... sorry I am late to the party...my work life is outta control... crazy busy! I miss FF :(.....
- Susan Beebe
I fully converted to FriendFeed BETA soon as it launched as I thought it rocked - now I don't have to put beta.friendfeed.com all the time :)
- Nicholas James
My impression of the new Friendfeed... http://j-m-williams.com/2009...
- Jason Williams
This is awesome! Back from the future! I _cant_ use twitter anymore. _cant_.
- Lakshman Prasad
Its not my friendfeed, its a horrible dream! :((
- Инк Лонгтан
you need a graphic designer or art director i think.
- Furkan Tunalı
dislike :(
- Trou Macacq
design (layout, interaction) had been mostly better in old variant, but AJAX engine you use in new variant just rocks (old ajax code was dead meat slow crap for desktops on steroids)
- A.T.
Bret, this page is has no entries right now: http://friendfeed.com/bret.... Your first comment page is OK, but all the next ones are empty. Weird.
- Jérôme Flipo
The BBC says that Wolfram Alpha may be as important as Google: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1... I'm looking forward to trying it.
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I hope so, but I fear overhype will lead to underwhelm. I love Mathematica, so maybe they'll deliver. But many search startups have made similar claims and had disappointing results in non-canned demos. I was on a waiting list to get Wolfram's overhyped book A New Kind of Science, which promised to rock the world of science, physics, mathematics, it turned out to be nothing more than a good aggregation of the state of cellular automata. A good book, but not earth shattering.
- Ray Cromwell
me too..invited to some sort of private viewing
- George Dearing
Robert Scoble: I just read you're coming to Phoenix. Any chance of letting me buy you a beer? I should know when FF'ers are coming to town! :P
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Now with increased Scoble-search-ability thanks to a properly spelled name. I did spell it right, right?
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Rochelle!!! Tad needs a price check!
- Yolanda
No reply... Bummer - I guess we're just not geeky/cool/hip/etc enough. :P
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Did you DM him? Call him on his cell?
- Alex Scoble
Do I need to do a shout out for you?
- Alex Scoble
Can't DM cause I can only use FFToGo here at work. Didn't call cause I didn't think about it, and it's pretty much too late now to coordinate anything.
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Just call on his cell +1-425-205-1921 (at least that is the advice he gives out)
- Brian Sullivan
Lame. :(
- Alex Scoble
I DMed him the post.
- Alex Scoble
I totally regret not figuring out a way to hang out when I came through Phoenix earlier this year. :( NEVER AGAIN!
- Josh Haley
Sorry, I figured that he'd see it on his own.
- Alex Scoble
Lol - I figured he'd see it on his own too. FriendFeed FAIL. And Josh - yes, please make sure to let us know when you come through. My FF rule is FF'ers get free beer from me when in Phoenix.
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
For the record, my phone number is 602-325-3317.
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
Lindsay told me she read that Robert Scoble is going to be here in Phoenix till May 1. That's a couple more days. Should Lindsay and I keep lobbying him for a meet up?
- Chrimmus Tad
Tad have you tried reaching out to him via email, DM, or phone?
- Mona Nomura
Lindsay and Alex both DM'd him. He's always going on and on about how email is dead. And I'd rather keep this to FriendFeed, since he's constantly telling us how awesome it is for communications, and I agree. :D
- Chrimmus Tad
i'd call him.
- edythe
or if he's going to a conference, something public, you could go there and say hi.
- edythe
Yes, I'm at the Royal Palms. We should do a friendfeed meet up tonight. Come on over! I'll sneak you into the happening here. +1-425-205-1921 is my phone.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry for not being online, I was kayaking with VCs and entrepreneurs. Fun day so far.
- Robert Scoble
Where's the Royal Palms? Don't guess there's any way you could sneak Avynn in too, huh? ;)
- Chrimmus Tad
I see it down there on Camelback
- Chrimmus Tad
on the phone now...
- Chrimmus Tad
no way
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I don't care how rich and famous you are, a free beer is a free beer!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
realtime for the win.
- Micah Wittman
Holy crap...this is win.
- Mike Nayyar
cool.
- Jim Is Not Smart
We may or may not be able to work anything out, but we'll see in about an hour.
- Chrimmus Tad
We need a better word for friendfeed meetups. what about an 'f-up?'
- Derek Coatney
Either feed-up or fete-up.
- Bruce Lewis
Say hi to Robert for me if you do get together tonight.
- Loren Heiny
Tell Robert that I say hello, and that I will be waiting for him in New York/Jersey for him to explain to me why I should join [INSERT SOCIAL MEDIA SITE NAME HERE]
- Mike Nayyar
...and then reality came crashing down. Robert called us a little while ago and offered to let us in the party he's at - free wine, free food, etc. Sadly, that's nothing we could take Avynn to. D'oh! Shoulda realized that before hand. Being married to a geek, it just wouldn't be right for me to run off and leave Lindsay here with Avynn - she'd like to meet Robert as much as I would. Oh well - there'll be another time for sure! I just feel kinda lame for causing a commotion.
- Chrimmus Tad
Anyways, thanks Robert! I'll buy you a beer another time. :) You'll be at Gnomedex in August, won't you?
- Chrimmus Tad
+100 Robert and kayaking!
- jcunwired
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