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Wired-o-Nomics: Mad Men, Media, Marketing and a Fine Mess | Epicenter | Wired.com - http://www.wired.com/epicent...
Very perceptive article that ultimately is about how you manage the lifecycle of a microsite, especially when it becomes even more popular than the product it is promoting
- Tim Ostler
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Citroën Historic Prototypes at 2009 Classic Motor Show - http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive...
...featuring the radical Coccinelle - Citroën's Beetle - from 1956. Amazed never to have seen this before.
- Tim Ostler
The Economics of Star Trek - http://locustsandhoney.blogspot.com/2009...
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From the Zeray Gazette: "James R. Rummel points out that in the Star Trek universe, there is no money: That always struck me as being exceedingly odd, particularly when I noticed that people were serving drinks in the space station saloons, and generally doing scut work. What motivated these people to get out of bed and work as servants every day, anyway? Where did the ambition to excel and become a starship captain come from? Why would anyone put on a red shirt and accompany the bridge crew as part of an away team?"
- Mark Trapp
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I always figured that banking systems had reached the point that everyone was embedded with a chip or something so that whenever they bought something, the vendor automatically recognized them and their financial arrangements and charged them without any sort of physical monetary transaction needing to take place.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy, to get all Trekkie nerd on you, it's established explicitly that there is no money in Star Trek: that, after World War III and the Eugenics Wars, it was done away with due to a new social understanding of the greater good. I forget if it's canon or not that it was around the same time the replicator was invented (thus eliminating scarcity).
- Mark Trapp
Thanks for the clarification! I've only seen some of TOS and DS9, so I guess I didn't know that. Interesting.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
...this future history always messes me up
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Mark is right. There's no money in the Federation. Nothing to keep you from sucking down Sorian brandy all day: just turn the Replicator on high and head to the Holodeck every morning.
- Chris Baskind
Can I mute this thread?
- Richard A.
From the post: "If members of a society can have any common object in unlimited quantities due to replicator technology, or experience anything ordinary in a holodeck, they will begin to crave the uncommon and extraordinary -- and will be willing to work to earn the money (or credits) necessary to purchase them."
- John E. Bredehoft
Before the world had a money economy it had barter. Before inter-tribal barter there was intra-tribal reciprocity (people divided up jobs and helped each other).
- Bill Romanos
After watching Star Trek for so many years, I think there's something to what you quoted, John, as well as a more socialistic economy: everyone does what they need to do because if nobody did, we'd all be screwed. So, in a way, it's an indirect barter system: I tend bar for you and you make my clothes. That, along with centralized planning, probably goes a long way towards handling any...
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- Mark Trapp
Heck, Star Trek is probably the most down-to-earth thought experiment into the end game of dialectical materialism. Proletariat Vulcans of the galaxy, unite!
- Mark Trapp
"an understanding of the social contract that's more or less repulsive now " Can someone explain me what's so repulsive about this? I'm trying to live this way (that is, helping others to the best of my ability), and not think about money. In fact, I don't earn any money now.
- Meryn Stol
*sniff* I miss the old days when the future was supposed to be so equal! Are you now, or have you ever been, a proletariat vulcan of the galaxy....?
- WorldofHiglet
They named names! And planets!
- Mark Trapp
Is it conceivable that there is a detail of the Star Trek universe that was not fully thought through by its all-knowing Creator?
- Tim Ostler
meryn: I don't think mark was saying he finds it repulsive, just that society quite often forsakes it for selfish intentions, hence society finds it repulsive. You often find it's argued against whenever the subject of those who posess riches either not getting as much or getting more of it taken away from them to fund safety nets and things like common healthcare.
- alphaxion
Zapp Brannigan: "What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?" I think that says it all.
- WorldofHiglet
Alphaxion: I see that I wasn't entirely clear in my question. I wondered why it's found repulsive by some. I've proposed a "moneyless" economy as a starting point for thinking about a solution to our current economic crisis , but this immediately received much resistance. I'm not "repulsed" by a money economy, but I'm not repulsed by the idea of a moneyless economy either. The question is what would work better. There are big downsides to using money.
- Meryn Stol
To my point, I give you this essay: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire... Those damn commies! "The primary goal of this document is to show that the writers and producers of Star Trek are promoting the values and ideals of communism. I should note that this has not always been the case; the TOS Federation was clearly a free market, and I can only imagine that some...
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- Mark Trapp
I've often wondered what would happen to our economy now if nearly free energy suddenly became available. The economy mostly boils down to labor+energy and if energy were free, what would happen?
- mikepk
It's interesting, Mike, that in the Star Trek universe, energy is the one thing that *isn't* in seemingly unlimited supply: many an episode used "we need more dilithium crystals to power the warp core" as a plot device, maximum warp is never sustained due to the amount of energy it consumers, and as pointed out earlier, one of the limiting factors of the replicator technology is energy consumption.
- Mark Trapp
Besides all the other reasons you guys pointed out, I always thought this was because they had found (or given by the Vulcans) ways to generate almost unlimited amounts of energy, which would make money unnecessary. It all comes down to energy, doesn't it?
- Alejandro
that's on a ship, Mark. I don't think it's the same on earth.
- Alejandro
I don't think the issue is the finite amount of energy we have on earth. Price of energy reflects the price of "producing" this energy, which is a combination of the labor costs and the capital costs. The capital costs (like oil rigs to get the oil out of the ground, refineries, offices for the oil companies, etc) also reflect labor costs. We never actually pay nature a dime. So what we're paying for is the "service" for getting the oil out of the ground.
- Meryn Stol
The main issue that for most people nowadays (at least I'm afraid this is the case) the "good life" consists of a continued vacation instead of contributing at least a few hours a day to the common good. We need to pay people because work is presumably something you'd rather not do.
- Meryn Stol
The starship is run in a militaristic fashion. I assume that if ensign red-shirt doesn't do as he is told by Picard, he gets thrown into the brig for insubordination. However, if that's what motivates people to do their jobs, it's a harsher world than I thought.
- Morton Fox
I'm crossing into dangerous territory about my Trekkiocity, but one other thing to throw into the mix is: replicators use goo packs, essentially a mixture of nanobots and organic materials, to create whatever you need. These goo packs are finite in nature (although the materials they create are recycled) and in some cases are rationed. So in a sense, they're like canteen privileges.
- Mark Trapp
Morton, I think that works for Starfleet, but it doesn't explain everything else. Unless you also posit that everyone has a specific function, and it'd be illegal not to perform that function; however, the United Federation of Planets is portrayed as a free society.
- Mark Trapp
Certainthe Ferengi are commerce minded. Hpowever, the Klingons and the Romulans ( to name a few) seem to be command oriented sovient style societies.
- Roberto Bonini
Most of the characters we saw on TNG had interesting, intrinsically rewarding work. @Meryn, I'd say that many, if not most, people like to have some form of activity in the long run, even if only to organize their lives. For example, in the real world, the majority of retired people I know fill their lives with volunteer work and/or the pursuit of hobbies. The tricky part is finding enough people to do the tedious stuff.
- Rebecca
"The tricky part is finding enough people to do the tedious stuff." Yup, that's the hardest part. I do think we can do lots more on "work design", work more on automation and mechanization (thinking about these things is a lot nicer than doing the tedious work itself) and also I think that a lot of tedious stuff simply wouldn't have to be done. Lots of consumption is fueled by advertising.
- Meryn Stol
Also, working as a craftsman is a lot more satisfying than being an anonymous drone in a factory. Economies could work on a much smaller scale.
- Meryn Stol
To quote Office Space, "Peter Gibbons: Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you'd do if you had a million dollars and you didn't have to work. And invariably what you'd say was supposed to be your career. So, if you wanted to fix old cars then you're supposed to be an auto mechanic. / Samir: So what did you say? / Peter Gibbons: I never had an answer. I guess that's...
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- Mark Trapp
I do believe we'll always be left with some "chores" to do. We could either try to distribute them fairly (everyone a few hours of chores each week) or we could explicitly assign status for people doing the "grunt work". Personally I think that current pay-scales need need to be virtually reserved. Doing only knowledge work is a luxury compared to hard manual labor.
- Meryn Stol
there is always a scarcity of services, and knowledge
- Mike Chelen
that and the oldest currency is that of the swapping of goods. You live in an area where you can't grow a specific plant, you trade items for it with those who can grow it. This scales up to various goods people can create that others can't. It eventually becomes the scarcity of serfices, goods and knowledge mentioned above.
- alphaxion
Wondering why it is so difficult to change people's minds esp. using clear logical thinking.. for example, it is very difficult to "argue with someone" and make them see light. However influencers likes TV programs, press articles etc tend to be far more effective at changing someone's point of view... though, even that happens slowly and subtly...
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If you tell a lie often enough people believe it. That's marketing.
- Alex Scoble
and politics, Alex.
- Josh Haley
Yes but try convincing a friend about something and you might get into an ugly argument very soon.
- Bindu Reddy
Critical thinking is no longer taught in schools.
- Jeremy (cropmarks)
Critical thinking was never taught in schools...at least not K-12
- Alex Scoble
I've found this to be true in the medical world (at least in the birthing world I'm familiar with). An influencer like a doctor can tell a patient something and they will take it as gospel but it's impossible to get them to change their mind using logical thinking, pointing out research, etc. So many women want to believe their doctor's comment over a stack of verified medical research...
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- Rochelle
the main reason? because dumb asses never listen! :-)
- Morgan Haley
And Morgan wins the thread...LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Gotta use emotion. What I don't understand is why we Dems won't use the tactics that work. We continue to use logic and facts, when we could marshal just as compelling emotional images and simple soundbites. How come we could win an election with Yes We Can, but we can't pass healthcare with some version of the truth writ large and emotional? What's wrong with this as an ad headline, or...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
It's a complex thing. One has to see for oneself that there's a need to change. One has to be open for change as well. The animal stuff also kicks in with some people... if you make a superior argument or point, even if it's good, some people may not acknowledge it .. just because they perceive it as threat.
- Vipul Rawat
You probably change people's minds often. But it's a lot easier to notice when you don't change their cussed minds.
- Larry Hosken
Vipul. interesting point about the animal instincts trying to perceive superior arguments as threats. I am also wondering if there is a evolutionary advantage to "digging in" and trying to win arguments...
- Bindu Reddy
Bindu, it often just takes a night's sleep for us to truly internalize a good new concept. We humans sometimes go from "No that can't be, it sounds good but if it sounds so good why didn't I know about it before!" to, on the next morning, "Yeah, that's what I always thought, too!" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Philipp Lenssen
ha ha... Philipp that is pretty funny... Yes, I almost always get up the next morning and think - "that was my idea" :)
- Bindu Reddy
Things like television/films, books, even the odd blog post don't seem as adversarial as having someone who's sitting in the room tell you "you might be wrong"
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
...because some people respond to logic, others to emotion, and the rest are simply irrational (i.e. crazy), they can respond to anything on a whim in unpredictable ways. i think that the first key to convincing someone about anything is understanding how they think and see things. and I think you can get a clue on that by first being a good listener... it's the logical thing to do. ;-)
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I personally find it hard to get the brain out of the head to be the hardest part of changing some ones mind.
- CW™
CW... it can get a bit messy i think...
- .LAG liked that
.LAG, agree listening is always a good idea... However I have no idea how to use emotion to change someone's minds. In most cases, it's usually a friend that I am speaking to and I just simply don't engage in a argument when I disagree on something.
- Bindu Reddy
imho the advertising/marketing industry currently has more insight into human nature/consciousness than any field of science. That's scary.
- Lo
What Paul said. If you're interested, read up more on behavioral economics; Dan Ariely's book "Predictably Irrational" is a particularly good introduction.
- Tudor Bosman
Just finished that book a couple of days ago. I heartily second the recommendation.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Plus you have a boat load of people who let their Belief influence their logic. Resulting in blindly following just any idea popping into their mind as the absolute truth. You could write books on this subject, bet I could get some out two. Be kind love your neighbors do not follow propaganda.
- ThatDBD
I recommend reading "The Political Mind" by George Lakoff (http://www.amazon.com/Politic...). He explains how logical argument can actually reinforce the other side's position, in politics and in other places in life.
- Evan Parker
Regarding the critical thinking: why rely on a school, isn't that where parents play a role.
- Stephan Planken
Aristotle described this over 4000 years ago in his writings on rhetoric. Reasoned argument (logos) on its own is not enough. Equally important are pathos (emotional engagement) and ethos (perceived credibilty of the one doing the persuading).
- Tim Ostler
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I think the point is that unless you can connect with someone emotionally they will just file your argument with all the other facts they come across in their everyday life which they haven't the time or motivation to assimilate.
- Tim Ostler
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I agree with you Tim. As a trial lawyer ... my experience has been that it's more than just presenting the facts to a jury ... it is also about connecting with them or better having them connect with your client that wins them over. But that connection is, as .LAG said, achieved by understanding a bit about them and arranging your facts accordingly.
- laosan
@nor, the thought occurred to me when I realized that off late I don't even bother to argue with people I dis-agree with any more. I simply smile and move on, knowing that an argument only results in bad blood and the other person not being convinced of anything... I was thinking more in the context of arguing with friends.. most of the discussion here is however centered around the idea of influencing people which is fascinating.
- Bindu Reddy
In the interests of accuracy I should point out an error in what I said about Aristotle that may damage my ethos! He actually lived only 2350 years ago...
- Tim Ostler
This is sad, but I guess most people just choose/prefer to accept ready-made easy explanations delivered by celebs/talk show hosts as the truth. People are tood busy and tired and worried about their tiny world of everyday life and related problems; that makes them too lazy too want to think. Everyone prefers ready-made truths. Served chopped and chewed into their minds. :(
- Olivia Lovag
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Button signs for McLaren <http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2...>
He'll be sorry
- Tim Ostler
How his life has changed in less than 10 months. Might be shooting himself in the foot with this move though. I expect Louise to far outshine him next season.
- Steven
Button's clearly a good driver -- he's much admired for his smooth driving style. It's just that he can't handle pressure (and his judgement when making career decisions is highly suspect). Although he may not recognize it himself he's probably most comfortable driving superbly -- in an uncompetitive car...
- Tim Ostler
It's in the Bag! The Apple Tablet Computing Device - http://radar.oreilly.com/2009...
For once, a refreshing take on why Apple's forthcoming product will succeed big
- Tim Ostler
How low will he go? Obama gives Japan's Emperor Akihito a wow bow (Updated with video, pic) | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing...
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i think he shouldve bowed the other direction, then lifted his kilt like braveheart :P
- bob
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Nobody will ever stoop as low as Bush did
- Tim Ostler
Apple tablet could cement Jobs' legacy - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
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"Tablet speculation mostly centers on what's in it for the user, and third parties, including the print media. But the key is what's in it for Apple -- more specifically, what's in it for CEO Steve Jobs. We think there's one thing that makes an Apple Tablet inevitable: Jobs is considering his legacy, and he wants it to include saving the media, pulling it back from the brink at its darkest moment."
- Bill Sodeman
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Yes, it's clear he's taking Moses as his role model...
- Tim Ostler
Tim, does that mean the Apple tablets will ship in pairs? :)
- Bill Sodeman
Yup -- a screen and a detachable keyboard... The big question is will they shatter as Jobes hurls them to the ground in discovering that the faithful have been waiting so long for the tablet they've given up and are worshipping the Golden Android
- Tim Ostler
+1 Tim. "Where's your Moses now?!"
- Bill Sodeman
It suddenly occurred to me that I have no idea how to meet new people in a real life context.
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Stripper heels. Worked for me.
- Derrick
Damn. So true.
- s t e v e
Yeah. This is my major problem, too.
- lris
(I just want to point out that I clicked "post" before the stripper heels comment. I was responding to the original post. Really.)
- s t e v e
suuuuure, Steve.
- holly
i prefer the accidental supermarket checkout grope.
- Joe Silence is not dead
lol Derrick
- VAL D. Zone
FoAF
- Rodfather
actually, since around 1994, most of the people i've met IRL have either been other musicians, other ppl in IT (from the workplace) or ppl from the Internet that i've met up with face-to-face.
- Joe Silence is not dead
the only new people I meet in real life are new coworkers and parents of new kids on my son's sports teams. otherwise, I would know no one
- Alan Simpson
the last three women i was involved with, including my wife, i met on IRC in the mid-1990s. either i'm a pioneer or pathetic...or a pathetic pioneer.
- Joe Silence is not dead
In all seriousness, it IS hard to meet people once you're out of school and are say, established in your career. I've had friends go the Craigslist route for people to hang out with, and that's worked ok for her, but might seem weird to other people. I've been fortunate to meet people via Twitter and FF and then hang out with them in real life. Say, how did we meet, Cecily? ;)
- Derrick
I wish I had advice. I have the same problem.
- Spidra Webster
Traditionally -- church, school, work, family gatherings were meeting places. For my generation bars. I think online arranged meeting (dating sites) is very common these days. It has an aura of distaste around it but I think it works.
- Brian Sullivan
People just walk up to me like I have "I like talking to random people on the street" written on my forehead.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
you know we're all a bunch of social-awkward misfits. that's why we're hanging out here instead of being out and meeting people.
- tiffany
But if you are not looking for a partner -- just to meet people it might get harder.
- Brian Sullivan
I only really meet new people through my kid's school. I'm not a social person. Um...I'm not a nice person? I don't go out of my way to get to know people. If I'm in a party setting, I have no problem *acting* social, but I don't invest myself in the situation because I assume I'd never see those people again until the next party.
- Admiral Anika
i've had a few ppl chat me up out of the blue. it's pretty weird.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Yeah - kids are a way. Dogs too -- people with dogs always talk to other people with dogs.
- Brian Sullivan
Joe, Amber - do you guys make eye contact? Cause I never do and I pretty much never have strangers talk to me.
- Andrew C
Sometimes, accidentally. But most of the time I'll be focused elsewhere.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Dogs and kids are agents of randomness that cut through adults' social inhibitions (cf. 101 Dalmations). Hang on though -- I thought that all Americans were outgoing and sociable and that it's only us Brits who have to be introduced before talking to strangers?
- Tim Ostler
I'm not a very friendly/outgoing person, but once you hang out at a place with a lot of people long enough, you notice the same people there and eventually get to know them. For me it's the bowling alley & bar. Or joining some kind of club/activity (softball & league bowling for me). I'm still not close close to a lot of them, but it's easier to hang out and have laughs.
- Rodfather
Now I'm imagining Steve in stripper heels.
- cecily
No kids (blech) and I can't have a dog because my landlord's a bastard. I've done the Internet thing but was hoping to branch out. Of course, part of this has to do with self esteem and thinking that nobody wants to hang out with me in real life, a way of thinking I'm trying like hell to get over.
- cecily
I used to be pretty active in local politics and a few gardening groups. I still keep in contact with people online, but I don't really hang out with them unless there's a political or gardening event. Maybe you can find a group that's of an interest to you and start there.
- Admiral Anika
Ugh, I'm with you. No kids, no pets, no social hobbies, no religion, can't go to bars (alcoholic). It's a conundrum.
- Lo
Well, *cough*, I could hang out with you. In a few weeks, anyways -- I'm away for two weeks starting Friday and am busy with last minute packing and whatnot.
- Andrew C
i always make eye contact. it's a struggle to avoid coming off as creepy, tho. somehow i do alright most of the time.
- Joe Silence is not dead
You like to go on bike rides? If you go on Active.com there are usually local people who want to do something that's not solely focused on training. Believe me, no matter what your interests, there is a social group out there, even if it's just meeting once a month and swapping techniques (like gardening).
- Admiral Anika
*puts up advertisement on craigslist for black, not-quite-straight women who work in libraries, like bikes, and photography*
- cecily
i guess the big thing is to not accidentally look too long at boobies or packages. :)
- Joe Silence is not dead
I go on bike rides with the Pedal Pushers, a group of folks from the library. The thing about living in Vancouver is most of the people I know who are cyclists are all WAY more fit than I am, and I can't keep up.
- cecily
No looking at boobies or packages? Well hell, I might as well just stay home then.
- cecily
Andrew, let's do it. And by "it" I mean "hang out".
- cecily
I second stripper heels. They've done wonders for me.
- Steven Perez
@Cecily: I work just a few blocks away from VPL as it happens.
- Andrew C
DYSP! Stop calling my normal everyday wear Stripper heels! I prefer upper management attention getters :D
- Tsali, The Native of FF
@cecily: i was only talking about what I have to do. the rules are different for other people!
- Joe Silence is not dead
cecily, I have no idea how to meet people IRL.
- DJF
earlier today i walked outside and met a new person who was trying to steal gas from my van. right now he's meeting new people in the city jail.
- Joe Silence is not dead
@Joe - wow. I guess time is cyclical! (I was too young for the gas siphoning hijinks of the 70s.)
- Andrew C
I'm better at meeting people if I'm out with someone I know. I don't go out well by myself.
- Abigail wants more eggnog
Whenever I go out, I go out with a bang. (I really have no idea what that means, but it sounded funny in my head.)
- josh neff, geek at large
*sigh* stripper heels don't come in my size *sigh*
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
I'm not sure which is most disturbing: the fact that there actually are 8" heels in a size 14, or the fact that you found that so quickly.
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
Let's just say I know things I shouldn't in a vast aray of fields...
- Tsali, The Native of FF
from IM
Andrew: coffee at Blenz, whenever you're free. :)
- cecily
@Cecily - sure, Friday?
- Andrew C
Yay, making plans.
- cecily
*jealous*
- Michael W. May
Aww. Glad this worked out a bit. I'd hang out if I could.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
I want to hang out w/ Cecily and Andrew C!
- Ayşe E.
Me too.
- Admiral Anika
Come to think of it, the primary way I've met new people has been from starting new jobs.
- Andrew C
What's worked for me are SF&F book clubs (and to a lesser extent bookstores) and local techie community events such as user groups, BarCamps, and the like.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I want (need) to learn this skill. Especially in light of what Andrew just said. Leaving my job, I'm afraid that I'll be even more socially isolated.
- joey
Michael, bookstores sounds like a good place. How do you approach people without seeming creepy?
- Lo
@Joey - I was fine being a hermit (ish) in MV until I was laid off and couldn't get the non-zero amount of human interaction I require that way.
- Andrew C
Most bookstores have public events that are often attended by regulars regardless of subject/author.
- Admiral Anika
Standing in line or go up to someone and give them a compliment
- Lindsey is Fierce!
See, that's not something I do, and again, it goes back to self-esteem.
- cecily
Cecily, I have that same problem. I worry about being thought creepy if I ask someone out or ask for contact info or try to make that next step. So I wait for other people to do it and that rarely happens. Which is a weird thing to me because you'd think even if I were comfortable doing that, I'd be responsible for 50% of the time and other people would handle their 50% but it doesn't seem to happen that way.
- Spidra Webster
Thanks Anika, why didn't I think of that? Lo = social idiot
- Lo
Start smoking weed. You're bound to get a hookup's contact info. It's not odd to hang out and talk/rip a bowl while waiting to get hooked up. Stoners are usually cool people. :D I'm kidding but I met a lot of good friends that way.
- Rodfather
I always worry about 'coming on' to people. Oh yes, taking the little lap dog for a walk or hanging out with my daughter and all of a sudden strangers are having conversations with me. Perhaps I just don't look human by myself.
- Chris Loft
I like the cut of Rodfather's jib or would it be joint? I, too, seem to be having an issue meeting folks since I stopped the wild parties and hung up my spurs.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Just don't discount online friendships and connections; For over a decade, my life has been immeasurably enriched by people I've never seen face. Immeasurably.
- Michael W. May
++ Michael M.
- Kamilah Gill
tl;dr . I've never known how to meet new people in a real life context. Doctor Who fandom (pre-internet) is when I finally starting meeting people. That spilled over onto the internet, and the rest is history (and/or boring). Many of the people I met through internet fandom have been my closest friends for over 15 years.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
I met my down-the-block neighbors (after I'd been there three years) when walking for exercise after surgery (up and down and up and down the block). They were out smoking on their front steps. Befriended them while walking the dog and stopping to talk. We're now good friends. Through them, I met four other families on my block. I'm also on a howdy basis with a lot of neighborhood people I met while walking the dog.
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Revolving restaurant at top of BT Tower, London to reopen after 30 years - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
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"For years it has stood unvisited and was considered an unfashionable 1960s monolith with an uncertain future. But with the flick of a switch, launching fireworks and a new 500ft-high Olympics countdown screen, central London’s BT Tower has been given a new burst of life. And now it seems the rotating restaurant – its crowning glory until it was closed 30 years ago – will reopen to the public."
- Emma
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WOW!! WE MUST GO, Emma! :) hmmmmmmm...... *wonders if one can get there from Baker Street Station?* :p <333
- Live4Emma (L4S)
HAHAHA...actually, it's just up the road, so...you're in luck, baby! ;p <333
- Emma
YAY!!!! CAN'T WAIT!!! ....cuz as we ALL KNOW, London begins and ends at Baker Street Station! ;p <333
- Live4Emma (L4S)
good for them.....................I do miss London soooooooooo much
- VAL D. Zone
My father treated me to a meal there in 1975 to celebrate my BA in Architecture. Apart from the view I love that weirdness of revolving restaurants where the moving part of the floor meets the fixed part. It feels like standing across an accelerated version of the San Andreas fault
- Tim Ostler
from BuddyFeed
Very jealous, Tim. It's always been my favourite building in London. I've just had the loft renovated in my house in West London, and one of the wonderful things is that I can see it from the new windows in my roof!
- Iain Baker
I live right there! When them fireworks kicked off on Saturday night, they scared the bejesus out of me. So pretty! But lasted for less than a minute :( The spotlights and sparkles treatment on Friday was lovely, too. I could happily fall asleep watching it every night, provided none of the lasers shoot into my eyes.
- Steven Bailey
Ian, when you said you had your loft renovated, i thought you were going to say it now rotates. :)
- Simon Wicks
Simon, I tried, but couldn't get it past the local planners :(
- Iain Baker
DAMN THEM!
- Simon Wicks
Very nice and YAY! recycling.
- Admiral Anika
I think we ate there in 1977 or so -- if I recall, it was amazingly expensive.
- Stephen Mack
Bridgestone to withdraw as official tire supplier of Formula One - http://www.autoblog.com/2009...
"In addressing the impact of the continuing evolution of the business environment on its decision, the company focused on the need to redirect its resources towards the further intensive development of those innovative technologies and strategic products which support the company's goals and further enhance the company's reputation as a technology leader."
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from Bookmarklet
interesting - so where the hell are they going to get their tyres from now? Michelin already pulled out 2 years ago... maybe Kumho? but where will they get the expertise?
- Tim Ostler
from BuddyFeed
I am sure some manufacturer will take up the slack. Pirelli maybe?
- Brian Sullivan
Goodyear has picked up the slack before ... could it happen again?
- Allan Besselink
So have all the geeks left FriendFeed? Reply to this post with where you feel you fall - 'geek' or 'non-geek'. :-) EDIT: I think that's pretty clear, the geeks have *not* left FriendFeed. :-)
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Geek!
- Kol Tregaskes
Geek!
- Travis Koger
GEEK
- johnpiercy
not really a geek. somewhere in between.
- vijay
According to my friends, geek ...
- Irma Vermaat
I fall between the two..
- Simon Wicks
Geek(-ish)!
- Adrian Scicluna
Geek.
- Robert Scoble
a carnival performer who does disgusting acts eccentric: a person with an unusual or odd personality , or an individual with a passion for computers, to the exclusion of other normal human interests. I assume we are using the last definition?
- Brian Sullivan
Geek!!
- Chris Zlatis
Geek. With an unusual or odd personality.
- Mark H
both: happy&nice??mix of geek and non-geek xoxo
- anjelina
Technophile not talented enough to be a real geek.
- Eric Logan
geek. definitely
- Imabug
geek!
- Josh Lam
Geek, I suppose.
- Vera Hannaford
GEEK!
- Daniel Vining
Geek, but you wouldn't know it by most of my FriendFeed postings.
- ha3rvey (sup homepants)
Geek.
- rowlikeagirl
I'm definitely a geek, but not nearly as much of a geek as some others.
- Curtiss Grymala
Geek and proud!
- Parvez Halim
non-geek
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Me? nah! Everything But The Geek!
- directeur
I am a big Geek and I am still here
- Rob Cairns
It's all Geek to me
- Tim Ostler
Geek!
- Oytnx
Geek, reporting in.
- Jason Huebel
(former) GEEK
- Joe Silence is not dead
Half breed, still here.
- Thom Kennon
D&D playing IT pro = very geeky
- Alex Scrivener
geek, but losing interest in FF as others catch up with features
- Chris Rogers
I am here but it is up to others to decide whether I am geek or not.
- ashish
Geek
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Geek
- Holger Eilhard
Geek!
- chris
Geek
- EhsanDiary
Geek!!!
- adataghost
Geeky!
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
geek!
- Dr.Lonely Lotus
Geek, but not in terms of tech, rather comic books, etc. :)
- Derrick
You hand in your ticket...And you go watch the geek...Who immediately walks up to you...When he hears you speak...And says, "How does it feel...To be such a freak?"...And you say, "Impossible"...As he hands you a bone
- Greg Guitarbuster
Geek, of course. That's why I don't fit in on other social networks.
- April Russo (app103)
Nerd and Proud™! (which should count as geek)
- Marco Fabbri
geek, absolutely!
- Stephanie
Geeek (1 more e ) of course !
- Oğulcan Selçuk Akbulut
Geek! Per your hypothesis that geek have left FF, where else would they have flocked to?
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
non-geek
- chaz2b
@Marco Fabbri: Nerd != Geek. In SML Dictionary, Nerds have no fashion sense and can't talk to people, Geeks generally have a fashion sense and can carry on a conversation relatively ok; nerds usually wear white t-shirts and white sneakers; Geeks generally wear black t-shirts and black sneakers. A classic example: Nerd = Bill gates; Geek = Steve Jobs!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
depends on what we are geeking out about. if we're talking about music, shoes, spinning, dyeing, yarn, german history, b movies and zombies- then ubergeek.
- Mary Carmen
reformed non-geek
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
geek, but not the tech type of geek, more like a geeky nerd
- William Harryman
left as not "left" but they kinda abandoned it/reduced the usage
- ffcode
@See-ming Lee that is indeed controversial. Anyway as choice was given between geek and non-geek I meant some degree of nerd counts as geek.
- Marco Fabbri
Geek. But I post as much political stuff as tech...
- Christopher Galtenberg
I'm like a geek's groupie.
- MicahBear78
Geek! Still is. Still, Zu is using FF.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
@Marco Fabbri Well I think that all geeks are nerds, but all nerds != geeks. I believe that Set(Geek) includes Set(Nerd) but this is a question I have been thinking about for years now and I don't yet have a conclusion yet. But at least that's where I'm at now!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Geek.
- Brome
Geek.
- Tanath
I am still here. I am not sure I am a geek. But, you know, I am not the most objective person when considering myself.
- Martha
Geek.
- Heather
Geekie
- Moved to Facebook
If we were doing this in Google Wave, we could've used a poll gadget. Anyone got a Wave invite to spare for a fellow geek! :0)
- Daniel Vining
Not fitting the both. I'm big of a nerd.
- Burcu Dogan
Geek!
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
Geek
- Rasmus Lauridsen
mutant geek
- bob phillips
Geek to the last!
- Jemm
geek, definitely
- Michele Costabile
Geek, but I prefer "nerd"... a geek is someone who bites the heads off chickens in a carnival sideshow.
- Andy Bakun
from Android
I've always thought of myself as a nerd, but, according to Alex Scoble's definition, I'm not. So I guess i'm not sure.
- Glen Mistletoe
What is Alex's definition? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
What the heck is the point of this question? Could a non-geek even use FriendFeed??
- Internet's Tad
Geek, but I'd enjoy and use Friendfeed even if I weren't.
- Micah Wittman
Certified Geek
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
I am very much a geek, but I don't talk software here and concentrate on other things like science, art, entertainment ...
- RAPatton
geek
- Bill Scherer
Geek: I have totally noticed a lack of conversation. Agh!
- Zachary TG
Portable Geek
- Hussein EROL
geek
- Jan Ole Peek
Neither.
- Itachi
Not a geek
- R1CC1
geek-ish
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Hell to the naw...all the real geeks are still here.
- Alex Scoble
Definite geek! Or should I say gEEk, cause I'm an EE.
- Kevin L
Still here, still geeky!
- Joel Bennett
My wife says I'm a geek.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Geek
- Michael Hocter
Geek
- Mitchell Tsai
Geek
- Brian Schwartz
Geek
- Andrew Terry
from iPod
That looks like a lot of geeks. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Geek :)
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Geek, with hints of nerd
- Christopher A Carr
I'm going with something I been told: 'you have chips for brains!'
- Grant Bierman
;)
- A.T.
geek
- gloomy deranged pervert
Geek!
- Nikos Anagnostou
Geek. I guess I might qualify at least partially for a nerd, since I have to ask my husband if my shirt matches my pants...
- Eph Zero
Italian geek.
- marc
geek-esque, but more of a "creative type". I have geeky interests.
- Kamilah Gill
linux geek
- Joe Geeting
geek
- 9000
Geek
- Murat Ozoral
I'm with Kamilah - I like that - "creative geek."
- Amy℠
g33k
- Kevin Mohr
none-geek
- Amin Diary
non-geek & non-nerd... =p
- Özgür D. Cyric
I never thought of myself as a geek, but I guess I am being on intenet 24/7.
- Ton Zijp
Geek I am still here
- Steve Mott
geek!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
GEEEEEEKKKKK!
- WorldofHiglet
Geek who still thinks FF adds lots of value regardless of volume of engagement.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
geek
- тут не место для
still here (I post this a lot) and still geek.
- Mike Nencetti
i didnt leave yet, geek. Also, Ozgur Duru is a geek and a hopeless nerd too. he is lying!
- Bahriye
dorkalicious nerdtastic geek
- Heather
Geek, of course.
- i80and
I'm either a geek, or I play one on TV. I forget which sometimes.
- LogEx
Uhh, negative. I am a meat popsicle.
- Josh Haley
i'm a one of a kind internet legend
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Geek .. for sure
- Bhowmik Shah
Most definitely a Geek.
- Give 'Em DBizness
from iPod
I'm not a geek. I'm a turbocharged, direct fuel injected GEEK.
- Mike Nayyar
I think the social media writer early adopters have left, the geeks, it seems are still here
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
still here :)
- Stanislas Jourdan
geek...still here...
- ovigia
Geek
- Juan Pablo González
I dable .. compared to my friends, Geek!
- Chris Myles
dude I SHIT geek, I'm so geek
- sofarsoShawn
Wannabe-geek :)
- JA Castillo
dork
- Hutch Carpenter
sex machine
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Former geek, but no longer
- Mark "DerBingle" J
healing my wounded inner geek. i went freak for a while, then artsy-hipster... keeping hints of those, but the foundation is looking mighty geek.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Meek. They say we'll inherit it.
- howard shippin
from BuddyFeed
Geek, of course.
- Steven Perez
Geek
- Glenn Slaven
Geek
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
Geek and I'm still here!
- Nicholas Kreidberg
wannabe geek, follower of geeks... can't find better geeks elsewhere... who will talk to me LOL
- Holly Rae, FFer
geek!
- Lee
Geek
- Amber
Geek in the making ;)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
Geek! (And hacker of memes, too. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
Geek :P
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
geek
- Bruce Lewis
Geek.
- Kevin Pedraja
no geek
- marsupilamima
geek
- Barijaona Ramaholimihaso
I don't know... How can I tell if I am a geek?
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Not a geek. But I am a Social Media Expert, as you know.
- Jim Hearts FF
from iPhone
eek
- Djordje Lukic
Geek, for sure!
- Brian Jude
from twhirl
keeg ;p
- zʍıɔ
Geek
- 2icarly3
I still here Kol. Forever G33K..!
- ★ Soner Gönül
Cool, Soner. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
nope! we shall stand until the end! no matter the cost!
- Darth Farhad Sama
today im a geek b
- R_ C
Non-geek. But I'm in denial. ;)
- Meryn Stol
Geek
- Nathan Snyder
Geek
- Nils Sandin
I think that's pretty clear, the geeks have *not* left FriendFeed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Geek...
- Carlos Sousa
Sorta geek-leaning.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
greek geek who left twitter:)
- Citronella
geek
- James Williams
Geek!
- prozacfield
The way I look at it, most of my friends primarily use Facebook OR Twitter. A few use both, and a few have YouTube Accounts. They don't read RSS feeds or use Google Reader or Digg or StumbleUpon. Therefore, non-geeks cannot see the benefits of this aggregation power (anyone agree or not?)
- Nathan Snyder
Proof that geeks have NOT left FriendFeed? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Non-geek being converted by the boyfriend.
- Nurse Katie
Geek++
- mikepk
Hehe, Katie, don't do it. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
GEEK. But not just a tech geek. Geekery comes in many forms.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I'm a geek to the core. A multi-faceted geek at that.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I hate the word geek. Anything but it.
- Itachi
femgeek and renaissance geek
- Melanie Reed
Geek
- RetiredTeacherD
Geek!
- James Myatt
So you want an iPhone? Heres a comparison for the new Tariff from Orange UK in comparison to the current deal offered by O2 UK. Have a look and see what the total cost would be over 18 months for the phone of your choice along with the Monthly Tariff :)
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Wonder what i'd spend my 48p on..
- Simon Wicks
48 penny sweets?
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Argh, so much money spend on a tiny phone! Now I feel like a complete idiot for buying into it. Just think about how much I could have saved to spend on a house...
- Charlotte M
Thats true Charley,look at the cheapest one - £624.98, you can buy a 42 inch 1080p Samsung LCD tv for that
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Quit your jibber jabber! I don't want no LCD tv, I want a one bed flat in Kensington! Do the math for that one!
- Charlotte M
What a letdown! So much for competition driving down costs -- call in the Anti-Trusts..
- Tim Ostler
Come on people, did you actually expect to get it cheaper? Vodafone will be similar too I think. However, I will port as the voda network is just so much better for me.
- Keith Bennett
Dear subscribers of the Friendfeed Universe, what makes FriendFeed "interesting" to you?
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For me it's the real-time stream and real-time notifications. Search won't be interesting until I can get notifications of search in real-time.
- Jesse Stay
It's like a never ending party, you can slip in an out of any conversation at anytime, and just have amiable discussions with people, every once in a while a topic turns sour, but it's not often.
- Jimminy
The community & the UI.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
The tech and politics discussion. The great apps and sites always being posted news and the one stop shop for news from everywhere. And it all happens as you watch it. Great way to bookmark/organize things.
- Itachi
Genuine people and smooth interface.
- ashish
I agree with Jimminy. I use FF for the conversations and people on it. You can find alot more interesting people on FF as opposed to twitter through the "Friends of Friends" discovery.
- Bryan Lee
I can open it up, takes a news bath, get turned on to everything cutting edge, source answers to problems and chat around the water cooler. I can spend time reading or interacting in different %'s and still feel I'm having a great experience.
- SAM
no spam. no client software needed. lists. you can edit your typos. no mafia wars. real-time. awesome people.
- Mike Nencetti
For me, it's the way they enabled serendipitous discovery of content and people (via FoaF). It's something that almost no other social service has gotten right.
- Carter Rabasa
+1 for Carter. I agree with Jimminy, but I think the point Carter made is a big reason why I've found so many interesting conversations and met so many interesting FriendFeeders.
- Curtiss Grymala
It's the "hidden feature" that you never see on all those other would-be successors to FriendFeed (Postereous, etc).
- Carter Rabasa
I find it far more engaging. I like the real-time stream, the multi-channel distribution of content. And the people are more interesting.
- Gail Helmer
I agree with, and every comment above applies to me. In addition, and it's not the end-all-be-all as a collaboration tool, but it reduces friction between going from zero connection between people to actually working together on a common interest.
- Micah Wittman
Real time Web, reach people who use ff mostly and engaging with them
- Cagan Caglar
from iPhone
The conversations, sharing, and the quality of the information.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I think Jimminy is spot on with the party analogy. Posterous is more of a journal. They're complimentary. A party can give you something to write about, and a journal can give you something to chat about.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
the conversation...even forums aren't this good and we know blogs can't
- ffcode
Its the people I am subscribed to. Even the ones I don't agree with are smart, funny, and engaging.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
It's the real time updates, the people I'm subscribed to, and their posts.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
The people.
- Kevin L
The tools. But I'm with Kevin here. The people as well.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I just read the Mashable article on cliqset vs FF. Can you say oops.
- Gail Helmer
The community.
- Kol Tregaskes
The poignant transience of a channel that is living on borrowed time. Numbers have dropped off since the Facebook putsch
- Tim Ostler
The people, the stories, the conversations and the general feeling I get from being here.
- Alex Scoble
I agree with many here that its the community that's most important for me. Also coming in a close second is real time search and activity
- Wang Yip
It is a very novel way to connect and share with people all over the globe from my little corner of the world.
- Joe
the interaction & sharing of links
- chaz2b
The community.
- Eric Logan
My boring, boring job. (plus the average FF user is Stephen Hawking compared to most hangouts on the intertubes)
- Lo
Real time search and updates. The UI. The API. But most of all, the people.
- Andrew Terry
I like talking trash to people occasionally and finding links. That's about it.
- orionstarr
i don't have any of "real" friend here. sad but true ;p
- zʍıɔ
The people - and the serendipitous discovery of the people! ++ Jiminy and Carter.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
The fact I can engage in actual conversations rather than catching bits of a conversation which is what I get on Twitter.
- Eoghann Irving
One nice thing about friendfeed is that it doesn't try to make you reveal what your real legal name is or how old you are or where you live, unlike a lot of social networking sites. You can be a Second Life avatar here and not have to worry that your account will be deleted as a result. The single level of indentation keeps the text from sliding to the right like it does in the poorly...
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- SuezanneC Baskerville
You don't have to reveal your real legal name or how old you are or where you live anywhere Suezanne. They might ask for it, but there is this thing called fibbing.
- Itachi
Conversations, new people, the fact that you can consolidate all your social network streams here. Real-time updates. I love reading all the random people I don't know or have never heard of in FF conversations. And I use the FF bookmarklet to post here and simultaneously on Twitter. Oh yeah: did I mention the conversations?
- Dennis Jernberg
Content. Oh, and Content.
- Ian May
Dialogue.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Conversations. On Twitter I just feel like I'm shouting at random strangers as they walk past. Here I can actually see the entire discussion.
- Eoghann Irving
Having this conversation brought back is reminding me of the one thing that sets FriendFeed apart. Recycling. Every like or comment pushes it back to the top, and more people see it. I really hope Facebook does that. It's what makes FF valuable to me.
- Jesse Stay
+Jesse
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
The fact that I do not have to be subscribed to everyone to see all of the conversation. And LOLCats.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from iPod
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft
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we're working on it, tho.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Ah, and what fresh horrors will come from THAT dread enterprise?
- Neal Jansons
"We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."
- Alex Scrivener
Why is this good?
- Tim Ostler
Read the story. Context will explain all. http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibr...
- Neal Jansons
No kidding. I have mental health issues and as such have done a lot of reading on theories of consciousness, neurobiology, etc. This past April (the 2nd, to be exact), I read one piece of information that seemed to complete a larger picture. It was awesome at first but was sort of similar to a psychotic breakdown. Not for the faint of heart, but I bet it will happen more frequently due to the internet.
- Lo
Link? I am always interested in madness (I also have mental health issues).
- Neal Jansons
Well, what I read was just a relatively boring article about borderline personality disorder. Understanding that my limbic system functions differently than most peoples' answered a LOT of questions for me. So it was a personal sort of revelation.
- Lo
Ah, yeah, I can see that. I have a few different diagnoses. When I found out about the biological components to PTSD it gave me a lot of insight as well. Same thing when I understood what night terrors were...it's a lot easier not to freak out and just go "It's cool, I'm having a special kind of seizure and I just need to get my body to move and it will end". It gave me back a sense of...
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- Neal Jansons
Oooh, where can I learn about the biology of PTSD? Long ago someone told me that constantly being ignored as a child caused a mild form of PTSD for me, which I thought was ludicrous. But after I got sober, it became pretty apparent that I do have traumatic flashbacks (started having them of the worst things that happened while drinking). The experience has given me a lot of sympathy for...
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- Lo
I have access to a bunch of info because of my wife who is currently working on her Psy.D. I can ask for general access papers online, but she passes stuff to me she gets through school because it is an issue near and dear to our heart. Essentially, the biology of PTSD is hypertrophied fight or flight response in the amygdala. Normally in real crises, neurotransmitters flood you that...
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- Neal Jansons
As far as my nightmares: I have been lucid for a long time. It doesn't help much. I have three kinds of dreams, every time I sleep. 1) What I call "adventure dreams" in an attempt to normalize the experience, which are typical nightmares. Monsters, horrific threats, etc. In these I am lucid and either play out the adventure as a protagonist to the best of my ability or, if things get...
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- Neal Jansons
Wow. That's all very thought-provoking. Over the last few months I've had greater awareness, and I've noticed that I feel anxious without any apparent cause very frequently. I get so frustrated trying to figure out why I'm upset with no apparent reason, and thought loops have been a known issue for years now. Another thing that irritates is that I can usually come up with a variety of...
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- Lo
As for the dreams, I don't really know what to say. That's rough. Except that you're probably the first person I've "met" who seems to ponder the same things I do about the complexities of operating a consciousness (for lack of a better wording!). I'm so glad I commented. After almost 30 years of being a slave to my mental "quirks" or whatever, finding a livable equilibrium has become a...
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- Lo
Well, depending on how your stuff works, OCD meds or anxiety meds might help you. My wife gets a lot of relief from anxiety meds, while I don't get much relief from meds at all. The PTSD stuff is really looped up for me...I am constantly retraumatizing myself with my own reactions to things, and it is progressive. I am getting backed into the corner, in sense, and running out of safe...
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- Neal Jansons
Oh, I totally understand, trust me! Having a crazy wife, accepting and learning to work with my crazy, etc have all made things a whole lot better! It's a little worse for me because I was in treatment really young, so I got a lot of stigma. I got my first round of diagnoses at 8, was in serious treatment at 10, and then spent 12-16 in a bunch of institutions. My wife was really lucky...
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- Neal Jansons
Wow, I really appreciate hearing all this. Out of desperation I internalized a lot of what I was told by "professionals" along the way, and in retrospect I'm realizing how some of the messages were counterproductive at best. It's particularly interesting that you intentionally remain somewhat isolated as a measure to enhance your quality of life (or am I reading that wrong?). There have...
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- Lo
Also, it's neat that having a crazy wife helps you! My relationship with my boyfriend is great, but he's remarkably sane, and that causes a lot of conflict. He can't understand me most of the time, I get jealous because he takes things for granted I can only dream of, and he's not very good at calming me down or helping me out when it's critical. I have pondered the merits of finding...
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- Lo
I'm glad I can help. Us nuts gotta stick together. Yes, I did mean I cater my lifestyle and activities to my crazy. I almost never go out, I sleep whenever I can and pay no attention to "normal" hours, and I don't generally worry about my behaviors unless they make me unhappy. My wife and I have various protocols worked out for if one or the other of us goes too far down a rabbit-hole,...
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- Neal Jansons
Set up safeguards so you aren't dangerous to yourself or others. Take responsibility when you make friends and engage in romantic relationships by telling the people about your crazy (and don't be too upset if some decide not to get too close). Don't hide symptoms...if you are doing bad let the people in your support network know and make sure to have people you can trust in that...
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- Neal Jansons
That's awesome. I should probably stop reveling in exciting insights and get to work (so hard, given the relative importance of the two in the long term!). But I'd say that the odds of you hearing from me are pretty high! :) Thank you so very much.
- Lo
You on Facebook? We should connect on there http://www.facebook.com/home...
- Neal Jansons
Awesome, I sent you an f-request (my earth name is Sonya, btw)
- Lo
Sonya, right?
- Neal Jansons
from IM
That's me :)
- Lo
Cool, accepted. Really glad I could help you connect on this.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Me too! (obviously)
- Lo
BTW, the worries you mentioned CAN be justified. Not all crazies are compatible, be careful when you connect with people. I am reasonably harmless because I built safeguards into my life and try not to take myself too seriously, plus I have a good outlet for it through writing. Some professions get it easier...I am expected to talk about people in my head as if they were as real (or...
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- Neal Jansons
Heh, I can't get it to stop or slow down either. I love the idea of meditating (my family is Buddhist) but I have such a hard time with just the idea of a quiet mind! Once (on nitrous) I felt like I could "see" the place where thoughts come from, and it was like a regular conveyor belt popping out thoughts every half second or so. I like to write too, and when I'm just expressing my...
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- Lo
What made me wonder about crazy + crazy couples is that I've reached a point in my current relationship where things are fine, we don't have any major problems and get along well enough. If we keep working at it, I'm confident we could have a decent time for years to come. But there's a certain sense of connection I just don't have with him, unlike virtually all of my relationships...
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- Lo
Oh yeah, I had the same issue with my ex. We would get into fights and I would be going at my speed AND discharging the results of an extended period of obsessive analysis of every...tiny...issue that had EVER come up between us. Eventually she actually just asked me "Is this what you are always thinking about? All the time? Just endless loops examining every situation and trying to figure out how you can never make the same mistake twice?". Same thing...I thought that was everyone.
- Neal Jansons
Then I told her what ELSE is in there...all the thoughts and ideas that I don't think about on purpose, that aren't directed at all. It was a bad talk.
- Neal Jansons
Some of our stuff is the same, some of it is different. She has generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, and PTSD. All her stuff is wrapped into that kind of crazy...anxiety, insecurity, etc. My stuff is a bit all over the place. I have almost every sleep disorder to a really high degree, as I mentioned, though thankfully I haven't sleepwalked in years (obviously no...
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- Neal Jansons
So most of the depression and suicidal stuff from my youth was in reaction to my experiences plus childhood trauma (highly abusive situation, one reason I was in treatment so young), plus delusions built up from trying to figure out my experiences as if they were real.
- Neal Jansons
As far as crazy-crazy matchups, I am lucky. My wife and I work really well. I only had one relationship with a "normal" person, and while it was very long and (from the outside) stable, it was also the most damaging to me as a person. I was very miserable trying to be normal. All the rest of my relationships were with some level of crazy people, and they were universally...
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- Neal Jansons
Oh man, after I got sober and moved out here, I tried very hard to be normal. For a while I would have said I was the happiest I'd ever been, largely b/c I got to pursue a few dreams a little bit (they'd always been postponed due to crazy). But then everything just started falling apart. I definitely feel you on that!
- Lo
So based on what you're telling me, it sounds like two crazy people can be a good match if a) they're both aware of problems and willing to work on them, and have been working on them, b) they don't share completely identical issues, c) it will still be rough sometimes anyway. But then, that's life eh?
- Lo
I can't tell you whether you are settling or not, or whether you should seek someone who you connect with on the crazy level. I just know that I lucked out with someone who is able to be in this situation with me, can maintain in the ways that she needs to and can help me maintain in the ways I need to. She loses her shit, I batten down the hatches and take care of her. I go to far down...
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- Neal Jansons
I think part of what makes it work is getting really, really on the same side. You can't worry about fair, because none of it is fair. You can't worry about winning fights or being right, because the odds are pretty good both of you are wrong and completely irrational no matter what happened. My wife and I work because most of all we know how hard it can be, and we empathize with each...
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- Neal Jansons
It will always be rough. Apparently there are some crazy people whose crazy is thinking the world is gumdrop-fairy land filled with chocolate and orgasms, but I have never met one.
- Neal Jansons
Wow, if only you could choose your brand of crazy! I have to say, I'm really impressed with how you are managing your life. I'm trying to remember if I've ever met anyone so determined & careful in handling huge issues, no one's coming to mind. And you seem to have it a lot rougher than I do, so you are a beacon of hope for this oddball :)
- Lo
Oh, and I know I've found that I have a lot more empathy in general. Most of my friends are really smart nerd-types, and they are constantly irritated by what they consider the laziness and willful idiocy of most people. I think they assume that because something is obvious to them, it's obvious to others and therefore they aren't trying. My boss makes that assumption about me, it can...
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- Lo
Well, at a certain point I found myself, after two years of just flailing, that people and relationships with people mattered more than what was real. So I just focused on trying to figure out how to make those things work and be safe. It was a long process...that was about 11 ago when I was 21 and I just got to this level of functionality over the last couple of years. I tried a lot of...
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- Neal Jansons
See, I just try to limit the people in my world who I can trust not to take advantage of my laissez faire approach to reality and relationships. Anyone who would abuse my trust is out of my life quick.
- Neal Jansons
Oh yeah, sometime in AA I had this lightbulb click on over my head that just because I must cheerfully treat a sick/nasty person with kindness no matter what, that doesn't mean I have to choose to spend time with him. I don't really have the same struggle with figuring out whether objects are real, but the lesson still applies - I do wonder which concepts or emotions and other abstract...
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- Lo
That's the essence of my solution. I figure that day-to-day life consists of the same stuff no matter what. And I have both...problems with what's in reality and what I end up thinking about reality. Abstractions, attempts at explanation, analysis, attempts to assign meaning, all of it works together with the dreams and their intrusions into my perceptions together to create a highly...
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- Neal Jansons
It's funny, you sound saner than most "sane" people to me. :) Thanks, that was an unexpectedly awesome conversation. Hope you have a nice weekend and Halloween!
- Lo
I like to think that sanity is a matter of perspective. I'm glad I could be of help, thanks for the good conversation, and have a good holiday weekend as well!
- Neal Jansons
@koltregaskes Ready to use Google Wave for this weekends final F1 race??
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what time is it happening UK time? Brazil worked out pretty well for watching in real time
- Tim Ostler
from BuddyFeed
Of course we could just synchronise Tivos...
- Tim Ostler
from BuddyFeed
12:10 PM on BBC 1.
- Roberto Bonini
See you all then. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
***SPOILER ALERT***
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Read further.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian's comment wins.
- Call me Bronco
Brian does indeed win.
- Akiva Moskovitz
What happens afterwards is just filler
- Tim Ostler
Button in frame for McLaren drive - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2...
This came out of left-field!
- Chris Nixon
from Bookmarklet
McLaren do like make things difficult for themselves! How would they ever be able to convince the two sets of fans that they were both getting equal treatment? The internal politics would just ruin both drivers' concentration...
- Tim Ostler
McLaren do have a way of making their own lives difficult, don't they? Alonso/Hamilton, Prost/Senna, Prost/Lauda ... now Button/Hamilton? And for Button to consider it? Very strange indeed.
- Allan Besselink
$$$ is the reason -- Hamilton made almost 4 times what Button made last year.
- Brian Sullivan
Evidently Al Gore has been doing some consulting work in France - http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news...
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"Here’s how it’s going to work: France will get “carbon taxed”, then we’re going to put another tax at the perimeter of the EU. Because a socialist system goes broke when the “producing” countries handing cash to the non-producers. So the EU needs to find a way to import money into this economic gulag."
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
from Bookmarklet
That'll never work, yet the masses will somehow "accept" it, anyway.
- Tyson Key
I don't know a lot about the French implementation but this kind of sarcastic commentary is obnoxious and reactionary. A carbon tax is arguably a more flexible means of controlling carbon output than a cap and trade system, especially if the income is balanced with reduced taxes elsewhere. This article is merely a smokescreen for yet more bleatings from the right about the "climate change hoax"
- Tim Ostler
Yes. We can control the weather through taxation. Of course.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
More sarcasm, and more denial.
- Tim Ostler
So, are we going to tax the Pacific Ocean for carbon or levy some captain trade on it? Because the cooling trend that will occur for the next decade or so will cool the globe for the next decade or so. Get back to me when one, just one of the predictions from the climate change brain trust come to fruition.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
If I thought I was sick and I went to 10 doctors but only 9 doctors told me I was sick, should I not seek treatment because 1 doctor isn't sure?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, if you were sick went to see a group of doctors ten times, and each time you received a different diagnosis, what would you think?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
That there is something wrong with me, it's far more complex than one thing and treatment would involve a lot of trial and error and can't be magically solved with one pill. I also wouldn't call the doctors fools because they have to diagnose a complex issue with many layers... Most importantly, I wouldn't not seek treatment because I had one day when I felt good despite feeling like crap for the past month
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
And if each time the diagnosis were different, by the group, you would trust their course of treatment?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
If the diagnosis was 'you're sick' but we can't exactly find out how bad and how to stop it, then I would encourage them to look harder. I would not discount them and go home, guessing they're wrong and hedging my bets I won't die.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
To circle back, I agree with your last statement. The planet is sick, but, the doctors have started a treatment plan without a proper diagnosis. At best the treatment will do nothing. At worst it will harm more than help.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Is your argument changing behavior will have no effect or could harm more than help? I don't think you can say both.
- Ken Sheppardson
They often prescribe anti-seizure drugs before a diagnosis of epilepsy is reached. It is also a multi-layered response. Cutting down on the use of fossil fuels, something that effects the atmosphere, is only a small part of a much wider plan... User pays, after all
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Yup, agree with eliminating pollution myself. Not just of the air but the water supply. Also we need to stop cutting down tress. Stupidity, really. I only object to the scaremongering and the false predictions used as a wallet grab.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Ken, I think it is somewhere in the middle, closer to the no-effect line than the harm line. More taxes is not the answer. Education is the answer.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Also, general farming is a contributor. When a field is tilled, effects like nitrification leech elements into the atmosphere that wouldn't normally reach it in that levels over a short time period. The entire ecosystem is so symbiotic that the issue just boggles the mind...
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Do you think there are any problems to which taxes are the solution, MVB? You're not really talking about global warming here, you're talking about taxation, right?
- Ken Sheppardson
it cracks me up that so-called "free market types" toss a fit when so-called "environmentalists" suggest central control of harmful pollutants. the gripe from the marketeers is usually based on "meddling" with the precious profit motive. then, when enviro-folks cook up a way to buy/sell and _profit_ from polluting by creating a faux economy (ala derivatives and other such schemes) the same market-inistas hoot that the false economy is doomed to fail. sheesh!
- MikeAmundsen
Ken, I think that for some things taxes are the answer. Roads, judicial system, defense... Generally things that are best handled as a co-op. My objection to this particular issue is the diagnosis is not complete and yet people want to rush along with a solution that may or may not be correct, a solution that will cost a lot of money that will be poorly spent. If there was definitive...
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- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
And Mike, thanks for the chuckle of the day! I actually think that there's a way to make huge profits from any scare tactic, including this one!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@MVB: happy to be of service, i do my best<g>. and you're spot on: fear is always a great way to generate profits.
- MikeAmundsen
Last week it was Wave - now it's Google Chrome for Mac. So far a very pleasant experience.
but Intel only. Same for Picasa for Mac I now find. I'm more obsolete than I thought (sigh).
- David Nash
I soldiered on with a Power PC iMac for 5 years as the world changed around me, before knuckling under this year at the prospect of Snow Leopard incompatibility. Picasa and Chrome are a bonus...
- Tim Ostler
♥ LOVING ♥ the art from the opening sequence to The Beatles Rockband
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Is there a site which hosts this? Video perhaps?
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
I love that video...
- mikepk
beatles rul!
- echostreamer
I can remember as a small child my father coming home and saying "there's going to be a lot of wet pillows tonight... The Beatles have broken up". Great pity John and George are not around to see this, I'm sure John would have something to say about it.
- Nick B.
I got this the other week and played all day when I bought it but haven't gone back because I will get sucked in for hours!
- Jason
The art director picked the right people to do the animation for this game. The opening and closing sequences were done by Robert Valley and Alberto Mielgo (of Gorillaz fame) and the in-between videos were done by MK12, my favorite ad-animation house.
- Phil G
Oh . . . thanks Phil! I was trying to find out who did it
- Lindsey is Fierce!
No problem Lindsey! Here's a link for you: http://www.boingboing.net/2009...
- Phil G
The art direction in this is pretty frigging amazing.
- Jason Huebel
I love the cut scenes between chapters
- Rodfather
I wish they'd done the gameplay in this style, too. Though the animated dreamscapes on the later songs are pretty awesome, too.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
very likes 4 Beatles :)
- آریـوبرزن
why oh why have Apple (Corps) not agreed with Apple (Inc) to put the beatles on iTunes??? :(
- winckel
I thought it was EMI that was the problem?
- Tim Ostler
from BuddyFeed
Todt elected as Mosley successor - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1...
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I sense a disturbance in the force.
- Chris Nixon
from Bookmarklet
Even greater than Mosley's disturbance????
- Roberto Bonini
Todt will do nothing to dispel the Ferrari bias at the FIA, quite the opposite in fact.
- Chris Nixon
What did Mel Brooks just get elected to?
- Peter Ghosh
Haha!
- Chris Nixon
Todt would not have been my choice but surely anything is better than Mosley?
- Brian Sullivan
Agreed
- Chris Nixon
Todt is Mosley 2.0
- Tim Ostler
@stroughtonsmith Good point, still it's a case of Whatever Works For You(TM). There's room in the world for multiple platforms.
The world is a platform game
- Tim Ostler
Barnes & Noble Unveils Kindle-Killing, Dual-Screen ‘Nook’ E-Reader (Updated) | Gadget Lab | Wired.com - http://www.wired.com/gadgetl...
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"Earlier Tuesday, Wall Street Journal, had a peek at an at ad set to run in The New York Times this coming Sunday. The ad features the line “Lend eBooks to friends,” and this has the potential to destroy the Kindle model. One of the biggest problems with e-books is that you can’t lend or re-sell them. If B&N is selling e-books cheaper than the paper versions, then the resale issue is moot. And lending, even if your friends need a Nook, too, takes away the other big advantage of paper."
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
from Bookmarklet
looks pretty good!
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Let's hope Amazon follows suit in loosening its restrictions on content use.
- Meryn Stol
Oppressive location-driven DRM unfortunately makes this irrelevant if you live outside the US.
- Tim Ostler
I think the rendered images are misleading re e-ink screen. On an actual photo ( http://www.newsday.com/polopol... ) it looks much more like the gray screen of the Kindle. Perhaps it is even the same screen (or slightly updated) as the Kindle has. I'd love to see e-ink with much higher contrast ratio.
- Meryn Stol
Finally updated to iTunes 9.0.1, enjoying Genius Mixes a lot.
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Me too. Does anyone have any theories /inside knowledge on how they work?
- Tim Ostler
The beauty of Genius Mixes is I don't have to think. So don't make me think :P
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Nicely put. They remove the only element of stress involved in listening to your favourite music -- having to decide what to play next.
- Tim Ostler
davewiner: Duncan Riley has a point when he says: "For the love of God Paul Buchheit, be a man and put FriendFeed out of its misery." http://r2.ly/mp82 - http://twitter.com/davewin...
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Actually, FF isn't Buchheit's to kill anymore. It's Zuckerberg's, and Zuckerberg alone has the power to kill FF now that it's his. And kill it he will; the only question is when. Buchheit was merely saying (in code) that Facebook's getting some of FF's technology etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Sidekick Friendfeed So tell me again why aquisition is good?
- WarLord
And why does DW care about what goes on here?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
WarLord: it's good for humanity. Facebook is way behind FriendFeed's feature set in real time search, DMs, interactions, etc. This will bring the features we're used to to 300 million people instead of less than a million.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: Dave Winer has just as much right to be interested in the future of FriendFeed or have an opinion on it as you or I do.
- Robert Scoble
Why all the calls to kill a horse who didn't break its leg? I just don't get it, if you don't want to be here, don't be here.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
+1 Eric
- Amit Morson
I've been quietly watching all of this talking back and forth, but now I'm starting to get pissed off about it. We all are fully aware of how vulnerable FF is right now. All this blather from you people with some clout in the social networking world will only possibly kill it a few days sooner. Yes, I'm talking directly to you, Robert, and also indirectly to DW and DR and the rest of the people going on and on about this.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah: hint: traffic is way down. Note. We are all still here. So what's killing FriendFeed is NOT us. Just because we're talking about the facts and you don't like the facts shoved in your face does NOT mean the messenger is responsible.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, so what IS "killing" FriendFeed if it's not the users?
- Amit Morson
Amit: we've been over this before. But it's the lack of future direction. That has NOT changed. Facebook is not willing, or able yet, to tell us there's a future here. So people leave. Most of those who leave do so without posting anything. They just have something better to do.
- Robert Scoble
Keyword: SHOVED. What do you hope to accomplish with all of this shoving, Robert? I don't need hints, I know all of this, I've read it hundreds of times, I'm on here every day. So you're all still here... I don't get your point.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah: there's a way to hide any item that bugs you. That's one of FriendFeed's killer features.
- Robert Scoble
You are being really... It's not just about things bugging me!!! I'm not some idiot that you need to talk down to!! I have been on FF since about May 2008, so pretty darned close to being an early adopter. I frigging know how this thing works, and you don't need to tell me to hide anything. You did not answer my question. Maybe you don't have an answer. What do you hope to accomplish by repeating yourself over and over that Friendfeed is about to die??
- Kamilah Gill
We put our stuff here... They can't shut it down. Why can't a site just keep running as it is? Hotmail has been upgraded like two times in its entire existence.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Well you know, if FF is dead it's one less place he has to spread his resources at.
- Amit Morson
Christopher: Hotmail has 300 million people on it.
- Robert Scoble
Kamilah: where in this item did I say FriendFeed is dying. I think you are projecting your anger that everyone is leaving and beating up the community here onto me. Unfairly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you did imply in the OP that you agree with the sentiment that FF should be "put out of its misery." Not exactly a positive sentiment. At least, that's what I took from your posting of it without comment that indicates otherwise.
- Katy S
Katy: what? How did you get that I agreed with it. I clicked "favorite" on it which brought it over here because I thought that Duncan's point was an interesting one and was worth discussing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ok, then nix my Hotmail comment. If Paul or Zuckerberg said they were shutting FF down, is that something you'd seriously get behind? Or would you think it incredibly unfair to tens/hundreds of thousands of people who thought they could put their stuff here?
- Christopher Galtenberg
If Paul shut friendfeed down I bet you it would light up as a trending topic right away. This would be no surprise though; it is common for deaths to trend.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Robert - I hit enter before I finished the last post - you can see the rest of it now.
- Katy S
I didn't see Robert say anything of the kind. He simply posted what Winer said and responded pretty reasonably since.
- Ken Camp
Guys I invested a lot in FriendFeed too.
- Dave Winer
Christopher: no. Because there's not a replacement for it yet. But what about in 2012? After Facebook has a TON more features? They will shut it down just like Google shut down Geocities.
- Robert Scoble
Garin, to Robert's point, FF isn't Pauls to shut down. It belongs to FB.
- Ken Camp
Anyway, Robert, it was your lack of commentary that led me to believe that you advocated that position. I wouldn't be surprised if others read it the same way. It's a matter of effect being different than intent, something that can happen when we present material to an audience.
- Katy S
I meant to say Mark instead of Paul, but the post specifies Paul.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Dave, so the solution is to self host everything? We both know it's not the solution.
- Amit Morson
Katy: lots of things I bring in here is to discuss what people's opinions are and to form my own. To tell you the truth I'm a lot more negative on the community today than I was a week ago. Why? Because of how people discuss things here and how they beat up the messenger. There is VERY GOOD REASONS why I'm bringing this up over and over again. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... should scare the freaking hell out of you if you think there's a long term future here.
- Robert Scoble
Companies don't keep investing in things if everyone leaves.
- Robert Scoble
Amit don't tell me what "we both know" -- that's a really weak and powerless thing to say. Then we start arguing about what I know. Feh. We both know I'm not going to bother. :-)
- Dave Winer
I'm not leaving :)
- Simon Hicks
Scoble, they've already said they're not investing in FF. And look at the graph on Duncan's piece. Everyone's leaving. The graph shows it.
- Dave Winer
Hey, no need to lecture me. I was just relaying the way this reads to some people. I didn't think I was "beating up the messenger" so much as clarifying how the post could be read. Maybe it's the English teacher in me, but it's a tendency of mine to address how I, as an audience member, read the discourse. If that annoys you - and it seems that it did - I'm sorry.
- Katy S
Katy: well, I don't agree with Duncan. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll defend shot-at messengers, but the role you're playing (or widely perceived to be) is not just messenger, but harbinger. As Marshall McCluan would remind us: the medium is the message!
- Micah Wittman
Here's what I mean by defend: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
Micah: well, that is ascribing to me more power than I have. If I had that much power all the Twitter users would have listened to me when I told them FriendFeed was the place to hang out. The fact that I couldn't make FriendFeed popular makes you wrong here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - ok - I like clarity. So, are you starting to feel as if you've become Cassandra?
- Katy S
FriendFeed won't die until Facebook replicates most or all of its functionality (and very likely when that day comes, Facebook will provide some mode of transfer).
- Acrylic Style Music Group
I always have my phone number on my blog. +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Acrylic: that's actually not true. CompuServe had more features than other things but CompuServe is gone today because the users left for a whole lot of reasons (many of which we are seeing in THIS VERY THREAD).
- Robert Scoble
What I'm saying is, it doesn't make sense to kill off a service in favor of another when the other doesn't provide for those that have used this service.
- Acrylic Style Music Group
That's like saying Apple should kill off the iPod Touch in favor of the Nano because the Nano sells more (not real stats, just an example). I say wait till Facebook catches up, that's all.
- Acrylic Style Music Group
Robert, you'll see in my link (right above your comment) I precisely don't ascribe it. What I'm also saying is there's all this panic and the perception that you're driving people away. There's a PR problem if you will. Who cares about blame - it's reverberating strongly, it's the negativity you mentioned feeling. You don't like it, nobody likes it. I don't know what the answer is, but a lot of people are venting the frustration and I'm writing this to acknowledge it.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: thanks. That's what I wanted to have happen. The community needs to come at this the way you did. There is a MAJOR PR problem and not one that's solvable because, well, it's not solveable. But, at least it can be fun if everyone took the tactic you did.
- Robert Scoble
Robert is reflecting peoples' already extant biases, like a mirror. He's providing confirmation for those who already wanted to give up on FF. For the rest of us, he's still here wanting to chat, stirring up activity :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: I'm trying to do my part to get that line to stop trending down and move up.
- Robert Scoble
It's an odd kind of love :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: well, truth brings the best community.
- Robert Scoble
I am, indeed, a technopeasant. I also play the bagpipes: a backwards, ancient, strange instrument that has a total hold on my heart. And a devoted minority of people keep this art alive. Is it conceivable that something like friendfeed, small (and smaller) though it is, could and should persist?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
*attempts to stretch a comparison*
- T. Brent, technopeasant
btw... Riley misspelled 'throes' in the first sentence of his post.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
It's possible the Friendfeed usage dip on the chart Riley showed doesn't reflect a drop in community size at all. It may reflect developers who are moving their FF mashups to other services in anticipation of an uncertain future. I recently changed a widget that outputs topical Tweets from using an FF imaginary friends feed to a Y!Pipes feed.
- Amyloo
I'm not going anywhere, moreover, I'm willing to pay a small amount to keep FF up. It's still my #2 starting tab after Gmail, I'm still enjoying using it and I just don't get it - who left?
- Kirill Bolgarov
The reason why Friendfeed users aren't convinced by arguments that FB will acquire all of FF's capabilities is about brand: who owns the brand, and whether you can trust them. FF is a feed aggregator, FB is mostly a power aggregator -- for Zuckerberg.
- Tim Ostler
Someone tell me what can replace FF now? The people that are leaving must not be using the FF enhanced feature set. I like what FF can do, I can't find it anywhere else.
- Keith Rowland
Keith: who said that you need to replace your usage here 1:1? Maybe people just are gettting lives again and living offline? Or maybe they are, like me, living with the limitations of other systems and working within those constraints? Or maybe they are blogging again? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or, maybe, the real drop here is because most of the users here are just playing Farmville?
- Robert Scoble
iRobot's oozy ChemBot amazes and terrifies | Crave - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
Blobot
- Tim Ostler
‘Lottery winner’ causes riot at coat store - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...
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"A woman being driven around in a rented limousine pulled up at a coat store and announced she'd won the lottery and would pay for everyone's purchases, police said, but she ended up causing a riot when customers realized it was a hoax. Angry customers threw merchandise around and looted, leaving the store looking as though a hurricane had passed through it, police said. Linda Brown was arrested Tuesday after an hours-long shopping spree that began when she hired a stretch Hummer limousine to drop her off at a Burlington Coat Factory store, police Sgt. Lt. Michael Deakins said. Brown walked to a cash register and loudly announced she had won the lottery and would pay for each person's merchandise up to $500, he said."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Were you tempted to do this when you sold out to Facebook Paul? :-)
- Tim Ostler
It's interesting that people "threw merchandise around and looted" simply because they aren't getting something for free. I wonder how they rationalize their behavior?
- Paul Buchheit
It starts with entitlements, Paul.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
An unexpected intervention like that has the psychological effect of suspending normal social conventions, giving people the sense that they have permission to obey different rules of behaviour. When it's frustrated like that, it's unpredictable how it will end.
- Tim Ostler
Step one: I'm going to give you $500 of free stuff! Step two: people go looking for the stuff they want. They form an attachment to this stuff as soon as it is in their hands. Step three: Haha, only kidding. Psyche! Step four: All it takes is *one* of the randomly selected crowd of angry people to start expressing their anger as yelling and belligerence and you've got the perfect conditions for things to escalate to a pint-sized riot.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Good analysis Michael -- it introduces the idea of people feeling they have been made a fool of, with consequent anger.
- Tim Ostler
Paul: people also riot and loot when their favorite sports team wins a championship game. There is unlikely to be any rationalization for that sort of thing.
- Gabe
People always have rationalizations Gabe :). I think Michael's explanation is good though (and almost certainly not what any of the people involved would say).
- Paul Buchheit
Rationalize is a funny word, since it really means to attempt to make something seem rational, even if it is not (perhaps only if it is not).
- Robert Felty
It's unclear that people actually rationalize looting. Like after Katrina, were people really saying "I just lost my house, so I deserve a free TV for when the power comes back on and I find a new place to live"?
- Gabe
Formula 1 Grand Prix in Brazil: Live Chat on #FriendFeed [ 18 October 2009 ] #f1 #formula1 #sport #motorsport
Wulffy, buraKargın, Willem (@wim66) ☠ and 7 other people liked this
Feel free to join in the live chat for the race today. Where are you watching the race, who are you supporting, how do you think the race will go? BBC have a live stream here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1... where you can see real-time text updates and if you are in the UK watch it live. You can track the standings via the official F1 site here: http://www.formula1.com/service... and you can watch the tweets come in in real-time on twazzup here: http://www.twazzup.com/search...
- Kol Tregaskes
Hey Kol. I'm watching live for once. This race is going to be very close.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Why is Martin Brundle always having run ins with the Sky News lady??
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I always find those startline tours unbearable as Brundle muscles in on people who are all busy preparing for the race. But his charm somehow manages to carry it off.
- Tim Ostler
I'm on board!
- Chris Nixon
Roberto, cool. I'll be in and out today.
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL, I think she must be really cheesed off for Brundle.
- Kol Tregaskes
So who's going to win? I think it's Webber's.
- Kol Tregaskes
Go!!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Loads of incidents there.
- Kol Tregaskes
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Button up to 9th. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Fight!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I've not seen drivers go at it light that in years.
- Chris Nixon
Hehe!
- Kol Tregaskes
Fire!!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Fire!
- Chris Nixon
:O
- Moved to Facebook
What the heck happened there????
- Roberto Bonini
WoW - what a start, It's all kicking off
- Aron Stevenson
I'm impressed with the Braun mechanics getting Kovi's fire hose off.
- Chris Nixon
Looks like everybody is driving for their jobs. F-1 or Nascar you decide ;))
- Moved to Facebook
Yeah. nice of them
- Roberto Bonini
Tony: LOL
- Chris Nixon
3 Cars out
- Roberto Bonini
OMGosh! What a start!
- Kol Tregaskes
You know when Buemi is in 5th something had to happen
- Moved to Facebook
Jenson got lucky to avoid all that
- Tim Ostler
Haven't seen a start like this since last years race.
- Roberto Bonini
Yup he did
- Roberto Bonini
Where's Hamilton?
- Tim Ostler
Ah 14th
- Tim Ostler
Safety car in this lap
- Roberto Bonini
Safety car coming in this lap.
- Kol Tregaskes
kubica pulled a nice move there
- Roberto Bonini
Great move by Button.
- Kol Tregaskes
Yup
- Roberto Bonini
Into the points
- Tim Ostler
7th!
- Kol Tregaskes
Ooo nice Button took nakijima
- Roberto Bonini
Button is driving up a storm!
- Chris Nixon
Yep. best driving all season
- Roberto Bonini
Almost got 6th.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is a great race so far! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is already one of the best GPs of the year for sheer racing excitement
- Tim Ostler
8.010 seconds between button and rubens
- Roberto Bonini
Kobayahi isin't half bad, its his 1st GP
- Roberto Bonini
Tim, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
I agree too
- Roberto Bonini
Webber closing in.
- Roberto Bonini
The incident involving kovi in the pit lane is under investigation.
- Roberto Bonini
I was disappointed to see there isn't more in terms of live F1 chat on Google Wave Kol. Anyone else here on Wave?
- Tim Ostler
Button is definitely trying to win the championship today!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Definately.
- Roberto Bonini
The incident with Kovi, the lollipop was definitely removed before the fuel hose was disengaged. But loved the brawn guys helping.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Kovi was right to go. the lollipop man will get his arse chewed.
- Chris Nixon
Same thing happened to Kimi in malayisa last year. The lollipops are supposed to be the safe system.
- Roberto Bonini
Agreed.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Heidfeld is off
- Roberto Bonini
Nice aggressive move by Vettel
- Chris Nixon
Button passes, then loses the place.
- Chris Nixon
HAHA.
- Roberto Bonini
Yeah, Button went too deep into the corner on the overtake.
- Roberto Bonini
Kimi was also because of Ferrari's traffic light system to right as they weren't using the lollipops in Malaysia right?
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yep. Ferrari went back to the lollipops after that incident.
- Roberto Bonini
As a test, I've shared this thread on Google Wave here: https://wave.google.com/wave...
- Kol Tregaskes
Button third?
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Go, go, go Button.
- Kol Tregaskes
Go go go go go go go go go go go go go go
- Roberto Bonini
Wheel to wheel racing action here.
- Roberto Bonini
Whoooooooooooohoooooooooooo go Jenson!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Button leading!
- Kol Tregaskes
another incident inolving kovi and fisi under investigation.
- Roberto Bonini
Rosberg has a problem.
- Roberto Bonini
And its race over for Rosberg.
- Roberto Bonini
And hiedfeld ran out of fuel a few laps back.
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks Kol. I get "You are not a participant". Can you add me as timostler (at) googlewave (dot) com?
- Tim Ostler
Ran out of fuel? LOL
- Kol Tregaskes
sorry that should be tim.ostler I think
- Tim Ostler
Tim, in Google Wave? Hmmm, it should be public. Hold up then...
- Kol Tregaskes
Roberto is on there. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Tim, added you.
- Kol Tregaskes
Another crash!
- Kol Tregaskes
Nakijima
- Roberto Bonini
I would jump on Wave, but not good on iPhone =P
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Not at all good on the iPhone
- Roberto Bonini
Ah, OK Travis. It's OK just Roberto so far. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Actually it is fine on iPhone -- even drops the chrome in Safari. It's just not official
- Tim Ostler
Wish we could sync FF threads and Waves.
- Roberto Bonini
I mean more about using FF and Wave at the same time ;)
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
My ideal ending would be for Rubens to win his home GP, Vettel 2nd fora podium and Button to come 3rd+
- Tim Ostler
Chris, are you on GWave?
- Kol Tregaskes
Crashed
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, agree about the syncing. I wish comments on GReader, Twitter and FB were all synced too.
- Kol Tregaskes
Button is really going for it!
- Kol Tregaskes
I think Wave will get that functionality soon.
- Roberto Bonini
That he is. Buemi nearly spun him round earlier
- Roberto Bonini
Almost at half distance.
- Roberto Bonini
Yeah I'm on Wave: photografr@googlewave.com
- Chris Nixon
Having this FF widget on GWave is brilliant
- Tim Ostler
Indeed
- Roberto Bonini
Added Chris
- Roberto Bonini
How do I link-up. I've not properly used wave before.
- Chris Nixon
I've added you to the wave. The wave should show up in your inbox
- Roberto Bonini
Is there some etiquette about adding someone to your wave contacts without asking first? Oh yeah, travispuk at googlewave.com BTW ;)
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Cool, Chris. Added you to my contacts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
After that little digression into Wave, Back to the race!!
- Roberto Bonini
All the one-stoppers are pitting
- Roberto Bonini
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
What have we missed? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kubica is in second. hamilton just pitted and Webber is leading the race
- Roberto Bonini
Button fourth.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Looking good. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yep
- Roberto Bonini
Maths and race strategies are melting my brain.
- Chris Nixon
Clouds coming over
- Roberto Bonini
Cloudburst would introduce some fun dynamics
- Tim Ostler
Yes. but don't mention it - :)
- Roberto Bonini
Brawn mechanics are moving#
- Roberto Bonini
Its for Button
- Roberto Bonini
Button in
- Chris Nixon
Beautiful stop
- Roberto Bonini
16 laps to go
- Roberto Bonini
Nice stop by Vettel
- Roberto Bonini
6th is good enough.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kovi is going to pit soon then button NEEDS to over take vettel.
- Roberto Bonini
Iain, 6th.
- Kol Tregaskes
No 7th
- Tim Ostler
Yeah sorry 7th.
- Kol Tregaskes
Its going to be close. I thought 7th too
- Roberto Bonini
Nooooooooo.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
tht will not give Button the championship
- Roberto Bonini
Kovi is due to come in though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Iain, nah. 6th I think.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nope. Close but no cigar
- Roberto Bonini
Close is always how it is for British champions in every sport -- except for Olympic cycling...
- Tim Ostler
Tim, ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL @ tim
- Roberto Bonini
Lost the picture for a second there!
- Kol Tregaskes
kovi stops button in 6th
- Roberto Bonini
Me too Kol
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
OK, must be there end.
- Kol Tregaskes
I do get tired of the commentator burbling uninformatively in such a self-important way
- Tim Ostler
Rubens down to 4th.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hamilton takes Baricello
- Chris Nixon
I had forgotten about Rubens!
- Tim Ostler
Just keep it going Jenson and you have it! Double win for Brawn.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Even if jenson finishes in 6th??
- Roberto Bonini
Hehe, me too, Tim. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
9 laps
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto, yep. Button champion atm.
- Kol Tregaskes
I forgot about him too
- Roberto Bonini
Puncture!
- Tim Ostler
Rubens puncture
- Chris Nixon
\Rubens???????
- Roberto Bonini
Iain, best race of the season.
- Kol Tregaskes
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
- Roberto Bonini
Indeed, best race
- Roberto Bonini
At least he's made it to the pits
- Tim Ostler
Yippee!! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Well yeah, good for jenson
- Roberto Bonini
Hamilton caused the puncture! Oh dear.
- Kol Tregaskes
Never count any chickens in Brazil
- Chris Nixon
Chris, agree. 7 laps to go, fingers crossed.
- Kol Tregaskes
Remember Massa's crew celebration last year
- Chris Nixon
Or eggs, chris
- Roberto Bonini
Surely just a racing incident -- not that the crowd will see it that way. That's 2 Brazil GPs in a row that he's sabotaged a Brazilian
- Tim Ostler
So he's won it anyway? As Rubens has gone out.
- Kol Tregaskes
Sounds like that.
- Roberto Bonini
Button in 5th
- Roberto Bonini
:-D
- Kol Tregaskes
The player embed sort of worked
- Roberto Bonini
Rain coming.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hah! "A few drops of rain"..
- Tim Ostler
Oh wait Button not champ yet just needs to finish. 4 laps to go. Come on!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kobayshi took fisi. WOW
- Roberto Bonini
3 laps to go
- Roberto Bonini
I'm pleased for Webber
- Tim Ostler
Roberto, I got the BBC news live commentary feed in GWave working btw.
- Kol Tregaskes
I hope they get Button up on the podium if he wins. It was strange last year with Hamilton not up there.
- Chris Nixon
Chris, yeah!
- Kol Tregaskes
Way to go Kol -- truly you are a Wave guru :-)
- Tim Ostler
Well done KOL
- Roberto Bonini
2 laps
- Roberto Bonini
It needs tidying up and works better with the wave maximised.
- Kol Tregaskes
My wave IS maximised.
- Roberto Bonini
OK. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Should do this for abu dhabi
- Roberto Bonini
Last lap
- Roberto Bonini
I would have liked the FF feed and the BBC feed next to each other.
- Kol Tregaskes
Last lap!
- Kol Tregaskes
Indeed KOL
- Roberto Bonini
Massa is waving the checkered flag
- Roberto Bonini
Here he comes!
- Kol Tregaskes
Nice
- Chris Nixon
Champion!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Button Rules
- Roberto Bonini
We are the champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Great news!
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Great result for webber, congrats to Button and team brawn - excellent season - world champions
- Aron Stevenson
I feel so happy for him, great champion!
- Kol Tregaskes
My PC... And Wave is upstairs, but my TV is downstairs... I want to see what you guys are talking about on Wave :(
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Button should totally try out for x-factor
- Roberto Bonini
And Brawn too, new team wins the Drivers too.
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL, Roberto!
- Kol Tregaskes
How's he seeing him smile through his helmet?
- Chris Nixon
I vote Kol for Geek Factor
- Tim Ostler
Yeah I just said that, LOL! Stupid commentator.
- Kol Tregaskes
Don't really like him, bring back Murray Walker. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL. Nice to see webber on the podium
- Roberto Bonini
Yep,
- Kol Tregaskes
Martin Brundle makes up for him -- always found Murray Walker too hysterical
- Tim Ostler
I never liked Murray.
- Chris Nixon
I actually think this guy isn't too bad.
- Chris Nixon
Leggared???
- Roberto Bonini
Aye I said it.
- Chris Nixon
Tim, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, he feels like he should be working for ITV.
- Kol Tregaskes
OOoooof. Harsh Kol. ITV? You REALLY don't like him.
- Chris Nixon
LOL, no I don't. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
hehe He's not too bad
- Roberto Bonini
I agree Kol.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Ross Brawn almost crying!
- Kol Tregaskes
I see Vettel even pushed Rubens into 3rd place in the championship
- Tim Ostler
Wow, Ross Brawn, very emotional.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Good spy Tim. I hadn't noticed that.
- Chris Nixon
Yeah. i didin't notice that either. Vettel has come along way.
- Roberto Bonini
GG lads. Enjoyable as always.
- Chris Nixon
Does Christian Horner remind anyone else of Christian Bale?
- Tim Ostler
The song that was just on showing all the UK champions - spotify:track:4LvtB7drFpQ4UzmFHcSnCC
- Giraffes Up In The AIr
Hmmm, not really
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks guys.
- Roberto Bonini
The Brawn guys are really celebrating.....
- Roberto Bonini
Thanks Kol for setting this up. See you in Abu Dhabi...
- Tim Ostler
Total chaos in the Brawn garage
- Roberto Bonini
See you then, Tim.
- Kol Tregaskes
See you all back here in 2 weeks. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
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The coming of CarTones
- Tim Ostler
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