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The thing I don't like about Twitter public lists is that there's no consent. Someone could add you to a "child molesters" list, for example: (p.s. blog post from this here: http://friendfeed.com/itafrom...)
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Or a public "douche bags" list, or anything. Public categorization is dangerous in the hands of an individual; at least with aggregate (or crowd-sourced) categorization, the bad apples can be marginalized or removed. But when every list gets an equal voice, or someone popular decides to put you into a shit list, one individual's voice gets to be the loudest based purely on how extreme they are with their categorization. If I'm listed in 50 "technology person" lists, and 1 "fuckwit" list, guess which one stands out?
- Mark Trapp
Which is why I think there's a very good reason why Facebook, FriendFeed, and Google made list categorization private that Twitter completely missed.
- Mark Trapp
And personally, I resent being on "technology" and variant lists. That's like signing me up for spam that I can't opt out or protect myself from.
- Mark Trapp
Look for a big increase in @-reply-spam as this rolls out more widely :(
- LogEx
Makes me wonder what lists Scoble is on then.
- CW™
people are going to complain. Lawsuits will occur demanding that Twitter remove them from a list.
- CW™
You can see anyone's list memberships on their profile (another bonehead move): http://twitter.com/Scoblei... He's on mostly technology related lists. But all it takes is one person with a vendetta to use lists as a vehicle for libel or defamation.
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I think you're right. Someone could counter-argue that tweet "equality" has the same issue, but psychologically lists have more weight and cut by implication not expression which is more difficult for a victim to tackle. I've noticed for myself it even feels like a violation when I see a screencap of someone's own Friendfeed page which shows *their* Lists - just the description/name of the list has effect.
- Micah Wittman
I somehow made it on a tech blogging list. I don't think I ever wrote anything about tech blogging. Is there a free food Twitter list. Also, Mark, is Barton's dad on this mythical child molesters list?
- James Ferguson
Barton's dad is on my child molester list. And the state registry's list. The jig is up with him!
- Mark Trapp
I'm not sure it's Twitter's responsibility to prevent users from ding things that could get them sued for libel or defamation. Have some expectation of personal responsibility people.
- Kevin Fox
If you block a user, would that remove you from their lists? But I agree, you should be able to remove yourself (like untagging from a photo on Facebook)
- Stuart Miniman
Kevin: I agree that everyone ought to have personal responsibility, but there's absolutely nothing a person could do to protect themselves from a malicious use of lists other than to close out their account: I can't consent to the categorization, I can't remove myself from the categorization, and categorization is in no way dependent on my actions on Twitter (but rather, the actions of others). The fact that there's that in addition to the lists being attached to my profile page is nuts.
- Mark Trapp
There are a few basic steps Twitter could've taken, and should still take: don't attach lists to a person's profile and allow people to opt out of lists. More extremely, make list memberships opt-in or make all lists private.
- Mark Trapp
This is the problem with Twitter - it's too anonymous. It's the risk you take when you put yourself in such a public environment. If you're okay with that, fine - it's just the risk you take.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, I answered you over on the other thread: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Alex Schleber
That's a good point, Mark. Interesting discussion.
- joey
Yes, if you block a person who started a list it removes you from all the lists that person put you on.
- michael sean wright
I've said repeatedly, in both my blog post, here, and on Robert Scoble's feed, blocking is not the answer.
- Mark Trapp
One of the bigger problems I have with sites like Facebook is that I have no control over how others see my public profile (right now you'll prob see 16+ yr old girls asking you to contact them, surrounding my profile. I'm happily married, have 4 kids. Mark has a point. It's hard to maintain a personal brand on the web, and others that can classify you (wrongly) won't help. Then again Twitter is 90% bots so I don't think many will notice
- Alexander van Elsas
Mark: I don't understand. You say you can't remove yourself from a list, but you can by blocking the offender. You say that 'blocking isn't the answer' but it seems to be exactly that.
- Kevin Fox
Alexander: I'm on a roll tonight because I don't understand you either. You have pretty fine-grained control of what in your Facebook profile or feed is viewable to the public (or any other) scope, so you have tons of control over how others see your public profile. I don't see the 16+ year old girls asking me to contact them when I look at your profile. I see this: http://fury.com/tmp... What's the offensive part?
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, refresh the page a few times. and you will see other ads as well. The offensive part is that I have NO control over the right side of that page, yet it is directly related to my profile and therefore to my personal brand. This sucks on the web in general, but it sucks more on a site that is supposed to contain my dearest connections. I'm confusing everyone here it seems. I better stop talking now ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
btw, this conversation is taking place here as well, Jesse Stay didn't get me there too: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Alexander van Elsas
Kevin: let's say my friend decides he wants to put me in a "technology" or "owned-Barbies-when-he-was-5" list; my only recourse is to block someone I'd otherwise have no problem with because Twitter doesn't give me the ability to remove something from my profile otherwise. As I'm sure you've seen with FriendFeed and Facebook, blocking someone is considered a drastic and hostile action towards a person that isn't the same thing as opting out of a feature. And why aren't public lists opt-in anyway?
- Mark Trapp
Alexander: Are you sure that the ads on the right are directly related to your profile? I think they're more directly related to the viewer's profile than the profile he's viewing, and don't knw that they're related to the profile being viewed at all. And if you're worried about the ads on the page, then this is a problem you're going to experience all over the internet.
- Kevin Fox
Mark: Your arguments would go farther if you steered clear of the absolutes a bit. If this person is your friend enough that you don't want to block them, then presumably they're friend enough for you to ask them to take you off that list. 'Only recourse is to block my friend'? Pah. Also, public lists won't work if they're opt-in. Like Gwyneth Paltrow is going to sit around approving...
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- Kevin Fox
Kevin, that'd be a good middle ground, although I'd imagine if lists were opt-in, they'd function much like how FriendFeed and Facebook groups work now or how WeFollow works: someone can't subscribe me to a group, but if I want to be associated with a group of people, I opt-in by subscribing or joining the group.
- Mark Trapp
It's a difference in viewpoint. I don't see them as groups because I don't see lists as a tool for fostering two-way communication. I see lists like Google Reader bundles. Pre-rolled subscription packs curated by a knowledgeable third-party.
- Kevin Fox
I think Twitter should add a "public list opt-out" feature. It wasn't obvious when lists first came out that people might not want to be on them, but after seeing this, it's impossible to know if people want to be on them or not. It could be a problem for those wanting to opt-out of lists because you can't necessarily DM everyone that puts you on a list (and you don't always want to block them, as Mark said).
- Matt Mastracci
You would just block them. Then you get removed from the list
- Lindsey is Fierce!
@Kevin. I am fully aware that ads are part of the eco system of the web. But in this particular context (A friend is looking for me on Facebook), I think placement of (sleezy) ads are a bad idea. It seems to reflect on my profile/brand/identity and it cannot be controlled by me. Facebook should be the place where friends connect, not the place where an old friend finds you surrounded by advertisement
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander, I'm sorry the ads you get on Facebook are sleazy. I find the ads to be much better quality than those I see elsewhere on the web. Nevertheless, again with the absolutes. It's not like ads preclude Facebook from being the place where friends connect, and a right hand column hardly constitutes being 'surrounded by advertisement.'
- Kevin Fox
They probably know things about me they shouldn't ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Okay, that's funny.
- Kevin Fox
Man that's nuts, Facebook ads are among the shadiest on the respectable web. They're worse than AdSense ads, and AdSense ads are pretty bad.
- Paul Laroquod
Pink Is The New STFU (Veronica Belmont) - http://www.veronicabelmont.com/2009...
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want that new Google home page with pretty much nothing but a logo & search box on it? here's how to get it http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
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Yes, it's true, modern Halloween costumes for girls are TOO sexy for the younger ones. My blog rant: http://www.apparenting.com/the_cha...
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Twitter is still having problems, but replies work. I've updated my article about the freeze. http://twittercism.com/twitter... @twitter_tips
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This is why you're coming to Gnomedex next year:
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Freaky Friday!! :)
- Justin Korn
Open bar?
- CAJ, somewhere else
x_x
- Derrick
That looks like a good reason not to go actually :p
- matthew john ernisse
freaky tuesday!!!
- Pam Gwenzi
I just ate. Not sure but I think I'm not feeling well anymore. Damn you!
- sean808080
I love this photo. I don't know why I have this image in my head of Robert always being so serious and focused but seeing him be all goofy makes me giggle.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
pea, the only time I've ever seen Robert as anything other than giddy-as-hell is when someone questions his integrity. Otherwise, he's a kid in a candy store. He's living the dream and I hate him for it. HATE.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Curtis, two free drink tickets and cash bar thereafter. :)
- Rochelle
oh my...
- jbrotherlove
Is that the real Chris?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, yes.
- Rochelle
They aren't coming to see me? :(
- joey
Rochelle, thanks!
- Melanie Reed
Great photo!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
lol nice pic
- Kevin Nunez
Huh. The photographer is over here: http://thelettertwo.com/
- Micah Wittman
I took this photo when I was in Seattle last weekend for Gnomedex. Thanks Robert & Chris for letting me snap this photo during one of the parties.
- Kenneth
Great shot Ken!
- AllisonWagda
Awesome picture Ken!
- Elliott Ng
Micah, yeah, he has some great pictures from the weekend. Good job, Ken! :)
- Rochelle
Everytime this picture floats by I hear a voice go NAARF!
- mikepk
NERDS GONE WILD: CANCUN.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Why do they still have shirts on?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
that just sorta scares me
- Holden Page
Robert Scobles tongue looks like a conehead O.o
- Holden Page
Agh! OMG, it does.
- Zachary TG
geeks...;)
- testbeta
My current cartoon is also the cover of our new book - Obama and red ink, come look: http://cagle.com/politic...
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Contrary! I hope EVERYONE here subscribes to me on Friendfeed! We need a backup connection! http://gol.lyARleenFF @mcleodg @Windmere818
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Ha! I see you're trying to get people over here to FriendFeed!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I'm already subscribed :)
- Owen Greaves
I think I'm going to buy some Microsoft (MSFT) shares. I think they're doing a great job turning themselves around and I think they stand a decent chance of totally dominating consumer computing in the next 5 - 10 years.
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Natal has a great chance of revolutionizing personal computing. I think it alone is worth the bet, but MS seems to be doing some other smart stuff too. I just wish the entire company would be as smart as some smaller parts of it are (like the XBox division).
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Totally agree. Windows7, Azure, Mesh, etc... I see lots of potential. Bing....not so sure.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
really? I'm of the mind that in 10 years MS will no longer dominate at all. 10 years is what, a century in internet years????
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Really? The future of computing is the pocket, not the desktop or laptop. I see MS doing well with Azure and .NET, but I think Windows (and OS X as we know it) are dead within 10 years. The iPhone, and whatever WM finally rebirths into are the future.
- Sparky Crocker
I think Guy Kawasaki's reflections on this are particularly interesting in this context. He was talking about his kids and remarked that to them, Microsoft = Xbox. For us, it's Windows. The next generation have a completely different conception of MS as a company.
- mikepk
Well, MS certainly won't be the same company, but if they continue to innovate and reinvent themselves like they are now they certainly have the chance to dominate. Have you seen the Natal demos? Natal won't just be a videogame thing - it will be a standard IO interface for computers within 5 years.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
If MS can become the Xbox company, that becomes the living room computer and they just may be able to control the whole digital convergence thing.
- mikepk
Yes. Natal can have some very interesting inputs indeed. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic...
- Berial
Agreed Sparky, but what is WM? Also, I think when Microsoft releases WiMo 7 it will be the first really serious iPhone competitor. Tablet computing is going to be HUGE! Apple will lead off with their version, but MS will come along and clean up the non-premium and business markets.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
WM = Windows Mobile.
- Sparky Crocker
I hope you are right, but I wonder if it will be too little too late. By the time WM comes out the iPhone will be on version 4 or 5 and have millions of 3rd party apps behind it. That's a lot of lead time to catch up on.
- Sparky Crocker
Sparky, I expect that MS will allow a pretty much free-for-all as far as apps on WM7 are concerned. They will all be Silverlight .NET apps and they're going to be fully 3D enabled. It will be huge. Unless Apple seriously opens up their app store (definitely a possibility) then MS will catch up quickly.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
$MSFT might not be the worst thing you can buy right now, just don't expect huge growth from them anytime soon. And if you do buy, make sure you set up a stop sell accordingly (don't take more than 10% total loss) and it's always a good idea to average down...buy half now and buy half in a week or two when it pulls back again. That's the safe way to play.
- Alex Scoble
Tad, although I recently suffered the red ring of death (xbox360) and got to a webpage that said I'd have to pay to get it repaired (past warranty), I wad very impressed with how far gesture has come. I suspect the mouse is about to get replaced. Consider that functional neural interfaces are also available, and getting research dollars
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
Alex, all of my investments are long bets. I have no interest in gaming the market. I believe that it will be worthwhile to invest in MS for at least 10 years. If I sold Apple or Amazon when they were down a bit I'd have lost a ton of money by now.
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Those methods that I talked about are for protecting your longs...it's not gaming the market to do any of that. Don't take more than a 10% loss on a long.
- Alex Scoble
Clark: I could be wrong but I don't think all apps need to be sold in the Windows Marketplace. I believe that places like Handango and PocketGear can still be used for Indie Devs. They of course will loose the eyeballs of average consumer though but I'll argue that many don't even know these sites exist today.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
A lot of free stuff at PocketGear for WM. You also forget that Windows 7 & WM7 can have some very interesting intergrations possibilities such as Media Center, Tablets (think Amazon Readers where you can continue reading where you left off) and maybe someday Surface.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Getting back on topic: MSFT has a bright future for easily the next 5 years with the usual culprits, consumers and companies will not radically change course given the good press of Windows 7 (which secures next MS Office, Exchange, Sharepoint, .NET, etc) and things like XBox, WM7, Bing, etc will continue to help diversification.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
RT @khayadlanga @cnnbrk congratulations. CNN has officially become the fat, slow kid no one picked in dodgeball @andersoncooper
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Nice shot, not even that low ;)
- Janice
I was already wondering when Al Sharpton was going to get some screentime out of MJ's death - and there he is on TV...
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ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIIIIGHT SIDE OF LIFE...
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So you saw Spamalot last night as well?
- Louis Gray
No, I'm dealing with people who are dragging me down because they don't like how I cope with death.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from IM
I don't think Spamalot's showing in Toronto anymore, anyway, and I can't afford to go outside of the area to see it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
from IM
Mmmm...cherries.
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What kind?
- Kamilah Gill
I had grapes and peaches.
- Yolanda
I LOVE cherries. My favorite fruit!
- Her Lindsay-ness
Bing cherries in my case.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm a maraschino nut. Not even sure if that's a REAL cherry!
- Jess
Those are real cherries...and yeah I like those too...so much that I even eat the stems!
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I like cherries too!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
may I have some please
- Kim Landwehr
Nope...I ated them all gone.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Oooh, I have cherries at home and Dave will be at meeting and pool all night. I wonder if I can eat them all without making myself sick...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Bings are the best. Rainiers are sweeter, but less acidic and therefore IMO less interesting.
- Andrew C
And now I'm eating some more. When I said I ated them all, I meant the bag of them that I had at work. :)
- Alex Scoble
What MVB said.
- Anthony Citrano
Can I Haz?
- Tyson Key
jodywatley: Always in touch with my inner GPS - because even when you've moved on - "other" people seem to try to keep you in the past.. - http://twitter.com/jodywat...
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Wow, I didn't know Jody Watley was on Twitter... Weird!
- Cheryl Jones
She's actually been on Twitter for quite a while now. I just started following her. She actually has quite a few good things to say, aside from some of the self promo stuff.
- Helen Sventitsky
I agree. So many people just do not understand how to leave the past where it is and live in the present.
- Just2Stressed
J2S, I'm trying hard not to be one of those people. It's a struggle, y'know?
- Helen Sventitsky
Yes, it can be a struggle. You just gotta be strong.
- Just2Stressed
TV at its worst: Dance Your Ass Off...What idiot thought that that would make good TV?
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Wow, if Guy Kawasaki invites you on a trip go. The Nimitz was over the top and the sailors made a deep impression. More soon.
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Welcome home, Robert.
- Glen Campbell
Thanks Glen. Thomas Hawk is going to be so jealous!
- Robert Scoble
Oh, and EVERYONE on board was having withdrawals. More on that later too!
- Robert Scoble
Was the Nimitz berthed in SD or was she out at sea for your visit? Awesome either way. Thomas isnt the only jealous one. :)
- mike wood
Ah, that's where you are. I thought you were coming to Wordcamp. You aren't missing too much.
- Neal Jansons
I surely would have enjoyed that being an ex navy man, myself.
- Tommy Lane
Mike: she was out at sea. We flew into her and got a FREAKING KILLER tour of the carrier. Spent a lot of time with the Captain and Admiral and saw some shit that would blow your mind.
- Robert Scoble
YOU GOT TO FREAKING LAND ON AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER!?!? WE'RE NOT WORTHY
- Glen Campbell
Mike; we were literally a few feet from F-18's as they were shot off the carrier (and as they landed). Uploading photos now. One thing, it's damn impressive to see the responsibility our country gives 19 year olds.
- Robert Scoble
I've heard the real-time tracking stuff of the movie, Eagle Eye is old technology now - the Patriot Act has been a Government Geek's dream come true for the real-time web. :-)
- Jesse Stay
im really jealous now. I went out on the Star of India in 2004. A tall ship sailing out of SD Bay is pretty cool, but landing on a carrier... fantastic! :D
- mike wood
My husband is an ex-nuke. Yep, it is frightening.
- Heather Solos
I'll keep that in mind if Guy Kawasaki ever calls.
- DGentry
did you get to ride in his sponsored audi? :)
- Allen Stern
I'm pretty sure Guy won't be calling me anytime soon. Or anytime later. lol
- Ken Camp
Ken: all you have to do it become the world's leading expert on All Top.com. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ummm our blog is first up at unifiedcommunications.alltop.com since category went live. But I don't place quite the same glory in being classified an expert by Guy/alltop as some. Guy and I simply don't see eye to eye on far too many things. I don't follow him and choose not to engage any more. It's better for my blood pressure. But thanks. :-)
- Ken Camp
This is exactly why blogs aren't dead and twitter isn't going to take over the world. We want to hear all about your trip, Robert, and 140 charecter discontinuity isn't going to cut it.
- Geoff Schaadt
check out this thread i just started on friendfeed.. we're up to 150 comments now! http://ff.im/3pYjK
- Jason Pollock
posted, Zeppelin Eureka Heads To Los Angeles & Orange County, http://daggle.com/zeppeli... (lots of video and pics)
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Extortion SEO Sanctioned by Google? http://searchenginewatch.com/3633375.
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Disney Star Wars Weekend Posters are Awesome! (13 Total) - My Modern Metropolis - http://www.mymodernmet.com/profile...
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"The entrepreneur always searches for change, responds to it, and exploits it as an opportunity." -- Peter Drucker, Businessman.
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Re: Twitter Follower Notifications: Now With More Cowbell - http://mashable.com/2009...
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"We have nothing against the little guys and we know it's not a game changer. The tone of post was meant to be sardonic...as in we're finally glad to see Twitter making improvements to email notifications."
- Jennifer Van Grove
Of course, Topify has been doing this all along, and they also include a list of the person's recent posts.
- Anita Cohen-Williams
@wendyYbailey #JVAL San Diego is September 25th, 26th and 27th Would love to see you there!
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RT @rohitbhargava A friend sent me the worst ice skating accident video ever - you can´t help watching this a few times: http://ow.ly/5rvi
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After Long Delays, In-Flight Broadband Is Taking Off - http://gigaom.com/2009...
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URL Shortening Wars: Twitter Ditches TinyURL For bit.ly tip @techmeme http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Much better. TinyURL seems to be having problems.
- Anita Cohen-Williams
I always thought url shortners could be a good revenue stream for twitter. It will be interesting to see if any money changed hands to make bit.ly the default and whether we will see others like tr.im and awe.sm become defaults in the future. Looking forward to lots of interesting stats from bit.ly now that it is the default url shortner.
- Atul Arora
I find http://is.gd faster and more convenient than bit.ly
- Bhavesh
This is how a zoo should blog, nice. RT @clemetzoo The Zoo´s black rhinos went bowling today - Zuri gets a strike! http://twitpic.com/4o2qc
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Re: Top 10 Wordpress Plugins Any Blogger Should Use - http://www.lucafiligheddu.com/2009...
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"My Fave WP plugins at the moment are Insights, DamnSexyBookmarks, Global Translator, Maxblogpress Ping Optimizer, Mylinks, Psychic Search, Robots-Meta, Statpress-Reloaded, Whydowork_adsense, Wp-Pda, and the ol` faithful All-In-One-SEO. @happyches"
- Penny J Butler
Loving Wordpress... still fond of Blogger, though
- Fossil Huntress
Just sent Friendfeed friend requests to my FB and Twitter friends. Gmail too. Wondering if these new invite friend features will make Friendfeed more of an essential tool?
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Finally! This new feature explains why I'm suddenly getting FF requests, after months of nuthin'! Thanks for spreading the word!
- Laura
It will make it easier to add friends, don't think it will make it more essential :)
- Taylor Davidson
Tip: If you want your ideas to spread, make sure your Tweets are short enough to be re-tweeted without editing.
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@unmarketing tweets about that IDEA quite a lot. Sometimes I use PRT: [Partial ReTweet] when shortening something cool to repost and share on Twitter.
- David Damore
In case you missed it: "29 Twitter Apps for the iPhone Compared" http://mashable.com/2009...
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