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New post: A static FriendFeed is a worthless FriendFeed http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008... - interaction is everything.
I disagree. I get a lot of value out of all FriendFeed accounts, even those from people who signed up, added their blog and a few other things, and who have never come back again. Why? Cause now I have a new way to see their stuff and comment on it. Who really cares if they don't know about the comments? - Robert Scoble
LOL Robert, without them knowing about it, how can you have a conversation with them? I remember some guy talking a lot about the importance of conversations... :) - Ian Betteridge
Ian: funny thing is, everytime I talk about someone on their stuff they seem to show up. Funny how that works, isn't it? - Robert Scoble
Robert: It's because we're all obsessively tracking your every move :) - Ian Betteridge
No. I think most bloggers are egotistical and track everything said about them. :-) - Robert Scoble
Dammit, you got me :) - Ian Betteridge
@Robert - my point is, if you physically can't interact with FF then what use is it? You say you have a new way of commenting on their stuff but you can't do this on a mobile phone at present (iPhone excepted probably - not seen the UI). Just being able to see it in another place is pointless WITHOUT the ability to interact. - Colin Walker
Does anyone see any irony (or humor) in the fact that all of this commenting is occuring IN Friend Feed AGAINST the Twitter message feed that LINKED to the original post? Someone COULD have made it more complex by Stumbling the Tweet, I suppose... :) - Mark Dykeman
Colin: I can comment here on both my Nokia N95 as well as my iPhone and do regularly (at least with my iPhone). - Robert Scoble
Robert: ah. I can't like or comment from my phone (Windows Mobile) hence the post. Thanks for letting me know. - Colin Walker
Mark: I'm getting 2x to 4x the number of comments here than I am on my own blog. Havinga conversation on Twitter sucks. Having one here rocks. - Robert Scoble
When there are many (many many) times the current users on FriendFeed, do you think having a conversation will be more difficult? It seems like there would just be an endless stream of comments which would make it really hard to keep up with and respond to. - Jordan Hofker
Having a conversation here is a lot easier than having one on my comments. For one, FriendFeed's page is a LOT faster to come up. - Robert Scoble
Robert: is it possible that more people are commenting on your stuff in Friend Feed now because they think that you're more likely to respond here? - Mark Dykeman
Mark: that's possible, but I noticed the same trend for many other people who are a lot quieter about FriendFeed than I am. - Robert Scoble
Not to beat a dead horse, but to rephrase my previous point: we're not commenting on Colin's blog here, nor are we even putting these comments to the feed of his blog post. We're putting these comments on the Tweet that linked to his post. The conversation continues to spiral further away from the source. - Mark Dykeman
Mark yes, that's true. But conversations OFTEN happen away from their source. You think that when we talk about you at a cocktail party that you're there to hear all the dirt we're talking about? I don't see this as a big deal. If they are smart they'll see this stuff show up on Google or some other search engine eventually. - Robert Scoble
Mark: That's a feature that people want, and that will happen. Disqus, for example, is I believe working a feature which will let comments posts on FF be also posted back on the originating blog (and vice versa). That way, FF becomes a true two-way aggregator: a method of aggregating comments that don't spiral away. - Ian Betteridge
And as you say, Robert, us bloggers are out looking for it ;) - Colin Walker
Good article. I like how you start off with the Social Network Lockout Syndrome - Nils Geylen from Alert Thingy
Maybe I should have done a survey before the post ;) - Colin Walker
Robert: I guess Oscar Wilde's old saying is true: "There is only one thing was than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." So, if you do mention me at your next cocktail party, please accept my thanks in advance. :) - Mark Dykeman
It's a question of whether having static FF accounts will add to the noise or not. It depends on whether those ppl are just a part of the echo chamber or if they present a different take on what's already out there. My opinion is that the noise can be balanced by more signal: contribution to the conversation and new points of view. - Shey, Jamaican of FF
Shey, it's not about static accounts - its about a static page - more specifically if you can interact on any given platform (e.g. your phone) - Colin Walker
Interesting topic. One of my friends looked over my shoulder at FriendFeed, shook his head and said "information overload".... it works both ways. - Jonathan Beckett
I agree that the commenting on FF is what I come back for. It's not what I first thought FF would be. I thought it was a great way to aggregate all your online activity Instead of telling my non tech family and friends to look at 5 different sites now they can look at one. The downside here is your original blog post will live much longer than these FF comments and no one going directly to your blog will know this discussion ever happened. We need a way FF comments can live with the original content. - Kevin Shannon
@Kevin, there is a WP plugin which brings comments back but only if they are on the post listing - this conversation will not be recognised. Full 360 degree commenting would be great. - Colin Walker
FriendFeed is clearly a different beast than Twitter, but far fewer users and no external ecosystem to speak of. Will it scale? What if it loses data? Or do people not care because this talk is all just ephemeral anyway? - LogEx
Just ran across the WP plugin for FF comments http://twurl.nl/tvwj1u - Kevin Shannon
I'd probably like FF (and twitter and pownce) more if some of my RL friends were online. They're all luddites. - ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
Its funny to see comments, in FF, similar to "what use is it?". Obviously, you find some use in it - you are exploring the links and conversations presented, commenting on them, and otherwise contributing. As with all effective collaborative tools, the use is in the community. Twitter is a tool, FriendFinder integrates that tool and enhances the content by means of aggregation and discussion. I gain a good bit of knowledge here, whether on topic or off :) - jcunwired
This conversation thread proves the value of FriendFeed... We have articulated a problem and are collaboratively brainstorming on a solution, e.g. two way feed aggregation between the original data source (blog post) and friendfeed. I hope Disqus can get this implemented as it will set a precedent in online comment management so folks can participate in "discovery" and "commenting". I think bloggers should include a link to the FF convo in the meantime to share the convo with their readers. - Susan Beebe
BlackBerry Curve 8830 phone - no Friendfeed access - bummer! waiting... - Susan Beebe
I found friendfeed was useful to me for just aggregating, though commenting is very nice, it'd still be a worthwhile service to me ;-) ps:G1 seems to leave comments fine - immaterial
Re: Wow There Is A World Beyond Social Media - http://www.winextra.com/2008...
"Amen to that brother! Also, totally agree on the new theme, a real online newspaper type feel. Looks good." - Colin Walker
Re: Wow There Is A World Beyond Social Media - http://www.shootingatbubbles.com/2008...
"Amen to that brother! Also, totally agree on the new theme, a real online newspaper type feel. Looks good." - Colin Walker
Whose stuff is it anyway? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
Colin, forgot to mention, it is good to have you blogging again. - Rob Diana
Thanks Rob. I'm not back entirely but this train of thought was reignited so it was the right time to post it. - Colin Walker from fftogo
I agree that the linear presentation of FriendFeed will not scale when the same information is reblogged through multiple channels by multiple persons. Ultimately the solution is in aggregating all items and conversations related to the same info (url): this is what Moopz is starting to do... Also socialmedian seems to be doing a reasonnable job on the input feeds. - Antoine Bertier
Are we too demanding? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
Yes, we have gotten far too demanding. However, browsers are a well known arena and people will expect more especially if it comes from google. If Google had launched with plugin capability, you would be seeing much more praise. - Rob Diana
I agree, mostly. But I disagree with the notion that a public beta is so early in the cycle. A beta should be an essentially feature complete product put out to users so they can unearth bugs. No? So, aside from robustness and a bit of spit and polish, one should be able to judge a product from the beta. Google uses beta as it's get out of jail card free and I personally believe that this it is ridiculous. - more importantly, thoug this is a first version and that means much more interesting things to come. - felix
So maybe this should have been called an alpha. Still, let's face it, Google are a company in perpetuial beta ;) No doubt APIs will be announced in future but I still think it's better to get the core stable before exposing it to an amalgam of 3rd party code. - Colin Walker from fftogo
felix hits it on the head; people have forgotten what "beta" actually means in the software sense. Google did indeed release a beta browser. I have less problem with Google calling their stuff beta than I do most other companies putting out barely-alpha garbage and calling it "beta" so we go easy on 'em. - abacab
Re: Colin Walker » Lessons learnt or common sense? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
"Kyle, Thanks for the comment and, I must say, I've been reading some of your recent posts with great interest. I'm not sure how often I'll be posting at the moment but it will be more a case of posting when I've really got something to say rather than due to a misguided need to make sure there's new content." - Colin Walker
Re: Colin Walker » Lessons learnt or common sense? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
"I always said it was just a hiatus and had planned to see how things were after August." - Colin Walker
Heh! Google Chrome cannot be installed here at work - we've had an email go round about "several security risks" and it must not go on any machines. I know about the old java issue due to the old webkit base but anyone come across any other security issues with it?
Had a look at it at home though and am quite impressed. There's some nice touches. Being able to drag and drop tabs on/off the window is cool, and the desktop application links are nice. On the other hand, I like where MS are going with IE8b2 - some good work going on there too. The browser wars are hotting up again. - Colin Walker from fftogo
Re: IE8 Not Ready For Prime Time Unless You Like Self-Abuse - http://www.winextra.com/2008...
"Steven, Don't forget about the whole IE in standards mode stuff. You might like to add a meta tag to your template and try your site in IE7 compatability mode: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" /> See if that helps (you'll most likely have to click on the little button that appears at the end of the address bar to use the right rendering mode." - Colin Walker
Re: IE8 Not Ready For Prime Time Unless You Like Self-Abuse - http://www.shootingatbubbles.com/2008...
"Steven, Don't forget about the whole IE in standards mode stuff. You might like to add a meta tag to your template and try your site in IE7 compatability mode: <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=7" /> See if that helps (you'll most likely have to click on the little button that appears at the end of the address bar to use the right rendering mode." - Colin Walker
Re: louisgray.com: Relax, Bloggers: Nobody Is Keeping Score, and There's No Quota. - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
"Nils, Your navel gazing point is exactly where I was looking but the desire to expand beyond navel gazing can be self defeating at times. We have to achieve a balance with the things we, as individuals, discuss and the people we follow - just saying "I want to follow more people talking about different things" doesn't work as you end up with a stream full of stuff you don't care about. We have to manage the signal to noise ratio but it is very hard to actually find the right blend. As the number of users increases the ratio grows ever in favour of 'noise' which is of course relative to our own interests but, also, the level of banality increases. If anyone is guilty of being protectionist about anything then it's about keeping healthy disussion rather than filling social networks with rubbish. My previous experiement on Friendfeed with a new account showed that people are posting far wider reaching things than just the social web but not much of it is actually getting discussed - it..." - Colin Walker
Re: louisgray.com: Relax, Bloggers: Nobody Is Keeping Score, and There's No Quota. - http://live.louisgray.com/2008...
"Nils, Your navel gazing point is exactly where I was looking but the desire to expand beyond navel gazing can be self defeating at times. We have to achieve a balance with the things we, as individuals, discuss and the people we follow - just saying "I want to follow more people talking about different things" doesn't work as you end up with a stream full of stuff you don't care about. We have to manage the signal to noise ratio but it is very hard to actually find the right blend. As the number of users increases the ratio grows ever in favour of 'noise' which is of course relative to our own interests but, also, the level of banality increases. If anyone is guilty of being protectionist about anything then it's about keeping healthy disussion rather than filling social networks with rubbish. My previous experiement on Friendfeed with a new account showed that people are posting far wider reaching things than just the social web but not much of it is actually getting discussed - it..." - Colin Walker
Re: louisgray.com: Relax, Bloggers: Nobody Is Keeping Score, and There's No Quota. - http://blog.louisgray.com/2008...
"Nils, Your navel gazing point is exactly where I was looking but the desire to expand beyond navel gazing can be self defeating at times. We have to achieve a balance with the things we, as individuals, discuss and the people we follow - just saying "I want to follow more people talking about different things" doesn't work as you end up with a stream full of stuff you don't care about. We have to manage the signal to noise ratio but it is very hard to actually find the right blend. As the number of users increases the ratio grows ever in favour of 'noise' which is of course relative to our own interests but, also, the level of banality increases. If anyone is guilty of being protectionist about anything then it's about keeping healthy disussion rather than filling social networks with rubbish. My previous experiement on Friendfeed with a new account showed that people are posting far wider reaching things than just the social web but not much of it is actually getting discussed - it..." - Colin Walker
"Thanks everyone. I'll definitely enjoy the time off. I think that we can put ourselves under too much pressure to churn out the posts and can lose the enjoyment sometimes so, who knows what tomorrow brings." - Colin Walker
Getting too social? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Why should we expect everyone to use services a certain way just because we do? - Colin Walker from fftogo
"There is no obligation that the conversation must take place in any given location..." Too true. It seems as if you're not in the conversation unless it's fragmented or taking place anywhere else but in its initial location, e.g. a blog. I don't care whether this comment shows up just here or gets cross-posted in a dozen other places. We're getting too focused on acting social instead of being social online. Good post. - Nils Geylen
The individual should use social media as they see fit. There should be no requirements or restrictions on where a conversation is started or where a conversation ends. The herd mentality will always play a part. Feelings should not be hurt if a said individual is not participating on a service, or is using the service in a one way format. - Mike Fruchter
I'll admit that I over-simplified the point of Phil's post but it is a worrying trend that people consider there should be a right or wrong way to use these services. And there is always the unsubscribe button. - Colin Walker from fftogo
Nice post. I agree that the echo is an issue. - Czar
Are We Painting Ourselves Into A FriendFeed Corner? - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
Communicating with Integrity Revisited - http://ryanbrymer.com/2008...
Re: Getting too social? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
"The difference with sites like Digg etc. is that they are specifically platforms for sharing and the implication is that you will sharing other peoples stuff. You would not be called a spammer if you submitted hundreds of links to other blogs etc. You are only considered a spammer if you fill them up with your own. The point of aggregation, however, is that you are gathering all of YOUR stuff in to one place so that it can all be accessed together rather than jumping off to multiple sites. Even if you don't like or comment or even follow anyone else how can using a core function of FriendFeed be considered spamming?" - Colin Walker
Re: Getting too social? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
"Phil, I completely agree that those that aren't active shouldn't be listed as recommended people to follow on FriendFeed and, yes, I over-simplified your post but it is a worrying trend that people consider there should be a right or wrong way to use these services." - Colin Walker
Are You Throwing Away Your Best Content Ideas? - http://feeds.copyblogger.com/~r...
Re: Getting too social? - http://colinwalker.me.uk/2008...
"But do you actually have to be 'active' anywhere? If FriendFeed is only being used as an aggregator why is there a need to be active? As you say, it is personal choice and some choose not to be active in certain locations." - Colin Walker
Ballmer- Microsoft to get more narrow-minded - http://www.jkontherun.com/2008...
Twitter issues? Twitter says I have 324 followers but according to slandr it's 415. Others also report that Twitter is showing less followers all of a sudden.
Anyone else noticing this? - Colin Walker from fftogo
Yes, do a search on FriendFeed for "missing followers". http://friendfeed.com/search... - Louis Gray
Yes, they're working on it apparently: http://twurl.cc/311 - and it's not just missing followers, but the number of people I follow has taken a dive too. - David Young
OK, thanks guys. - Colin Walker from fftogo
Louis Gray is very upset about this and wrote an angry article on his blog. - Matthias Schwenk
Very upset? Really? :-) I don't think so. - Louis Gray
same issue with my twitter account ... - Raza from Alert Thingy
@Louis Exactly... why should I be upset? Months of networking and balancing just got flushed, so why should I worry. - Alex Popescu
Here's an analysis I did of my Twitter missing followers. Looks like a weirdo spotty rollback to June 4 6:59 pm - 8:53 pm http://friendfeed.com/e..., but Twitter may have had other issues in the past month. - Mitchell Tsai
Is Twitter still around? - James Joyner
i had more followers and I was following more people yesterday ... today most of them have gone missing ..... - Raza from Alert Thingy
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