That was... super annoying, but I couldn't stop listening. I have a soft spot in my cold dead heart for 8-bit synth. Happy Friday to you Mark.
- Adrian
Annoying yet cool at the same time...yea, I know.
- Mark Krynsky
Great... now the kids are *fake-breakdancing* to it. Want to hear it again. Thanks a lot... MARK!!
- Adrian
Just because Facebook bought Friendfeed, doesn't necessarily mean they will do anything with the service. At least maybe not right away. People need to chill out.
- Alex Knight
hope it doesn't mess w/ twitter integration
- Ken Seto
makes a lot of sense - f.b. now has a power house of real-time all-stars. fixes many of the feature 'wish' lists for f.b. - actually a major positive sign for innovation. congrats to the F.F. team.
- michael sean wright
This will probably be bad. like all purchases, it will be an "afterthought" and never be fully allowed to develop and flourish.
- Ryan Jones
Man this is really SUCKS!! :((( we all know Facebook strategies on the web :(( Whey will drive FriendFeed to the helll and I'm pretty sure of this :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( BAD SUCKS SAD :(((
- FFTornado
It almost seemed inevitable since Facebook has been copying so much of Friendfeed in recent months. It's good for the founders of FF and may benefit those of us who use both on a regular basis. Maybe they'll just leave FF alone?
- Kenley Neufeld
Funny thing is, if you posted about this on Facebook, 99.9999% of it's users would go "huh, what's FriendFeed anyway?"
- Richard Matthias
someone tell me what they will do with it? Nothing maybe? Kill it, maybe?
- Francine Hardaway
Wonder how they'll integrate, separate services with more interaction or FF swallowed by Facebook.
- Steven Cains
Buy as is use it's IP and close it down or run as separate business? Either way, didn't see that coming.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
It was bound to go down. Like we used to say on the block shootin' dice "Big Bank Take Little Bank"
- professor daddyo
I do, however, wish tha tmore sites would implement this commenting engine.
- Ryan Jones
Fotis: haha, wait too long, and you'll never be able to close your FF account ;)
- Jason Hargrove
not believing it until another source confirms...
- Benton
Congrats to the friendfeed team. Worried about the future though.
- Andy Roth
It looks like a defensive move. I think it's better fro FB to acquire FF than incorporating twitter functionalities in their status feature.
- Pablo Paniagua
Congrats to ff team...but how does this work? I have 2 different accounts...and I like it that way...I don't want to share/spam my friends on facebook with what I have here...
- brainno722 (Peter)
Originally posted this to your other FF/FB post before you astarted this one: I don't see the point of Facebook acquiring FriendFeed. They are pretty much identical services (well, FF represents just the News Feed portion of Facebook) I don't see how they can incorporate FriendFeed into Facebook. If they really did buy it, then I see this as them going for programming talent more so...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
Bad bad bad bad bad bad ::runs screaming down the hall::
- Kandeezie
from fftogo
I think this is more of a "send the friendfeed traffic to facebook" than any kind of technical leverage. My biggest concern here: in order to exchange dialogue with people on facebook I need to be friends with them vs. being able to do it on friendfeed without having to friend them up. I find this valuable as there may be a topic or 5 that I want to engage with user "X" on, but I don't...
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- Erik Boles
I am disappointed by this news... I don't like Facebook at all... And I'm afraid they will just kill FriendFeed with their awful cluttered interface...
- Lindsay is in 20-ten
It depends on how they integrate it. Did they buy it for the search engine, or did they buy it as a potential for extending the reach of Facebook into real time conversations? It's all about the life stream now right? So probably Facebook's attempt to stake a claim there.
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
First of all, I love the name "Facefeed." ROFL Second, this is business boys. Happens all the time. Why do you think innovation keeps happening. FB will integrate or kill off FF, and something else will happen. It's a natural cycle.
- Francine Hardaway
wondering if i should continue aggregating all my online activity in frienfeed now that facebook owns it!!
- Gtp19
I can't begin to process this right now. Too much work to focus on. Later when I read this 10,000 mile long thread and have a glass of Cab in hand.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Not feeling real good about this, hope fully Facebook will do right by the FF community, but I'm not holding my breath. Glad for the FF team though
- Kim Landwehr
So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter..
- Nick Halstead
if you look closely at FF the large majority of FF posts are twitter posts, so there was not that much original content on FF in the first place...
- Ingmar
Makes a lot of sense for Facebook. And we find this very healthy ^^
- twitscoop
People need to stop freaking out. The Facebook/Friendfeed buy out was just announced. Wait for details people.
- Alex Knight
It could be bad, it could be good. As long as Facebook doesn't try to port their functionality over, I'm fine with it being a financial acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
Great, why did I bother creating an account here? I could have held out.
- desinole
if this is true, for the love of god, please don't Facebook go and mess up FriendFeed as they have their own system, Facebook is a mess these days, Friendfeed is one of the 2.0 sites that actually has concentrated on doing a few things well, complete opposite to Facebook.
- Carl Grint
I suppose Friendfeed was considerably lacking in LOLcats.
- Ian Tindale
Cuz we all know that facebook doesn't respect user's privacy and you've got basically everything on ff, youtube, twitter, digg whatever you do
- Fotis Alexandrou
Smart for Facebook but I prefer Friendfeed the way it is.What, we'll be throwing rabbits next?
- Janet Fouts
FriendFeed listens to the community. Facebook doesn't. Not to mention they're ENTIRELY different communities.
- Adam Reyher
If they keep FriendFeed as a separate site, and still upgrade regularly, this is fine. If FriendFeed winds up in the dead pool, then it sucks.
- Steve Sill
Maybe I should rediscover my Orkut account.
- Ian Tindale
I was just thinking how Friendfeed had stayed out of recent takeovers, mergers and hence cyber attacks. Will Friendfeed now be taken over by celebs and spammers too?
- Nils Geylen
Not sure why this news makes me nervous. Please tell me it's going to be ok Scoble...
- Lucas
FF has been FB's incubator for awhile.
- Peter Warnock
How can I spam on this thread please ? Any idea ?
- Toucouleur
Facebook has ZERO respect for users' wishes... Friendfeed is incompatible with that. Friendfeed will be going away. :( Their blog post says as much: "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally **for the time being**. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product"
- tollie williams
FriendFeed functionality on Facebook would be nice. The reverse, not so much. They're trying to address two entirely separate purposes and as such, need to remain completely separate.
- Adam Reyher
Stay here until FB does something dumb with FF
- Ryan
The rhetoric seems a bit too "Facebook will do what they want with us" and not "we will remain FF and continue forward". Seems as if FB went for the tech and we could lose FF as a seperate entity. Boo.
- Derek Shanahan
confirmed by facebook press release.
- Zac Bowling
Love 'em or hate 'em....Facebook made a phenomenal purchase.
- Kevin Pruett
I see a ton of Wall Spam. Facebook users just don't get it when you port your twitter updates over. There is too much for them to wrap their heads around. This will be a hard transition.
- Ryan Cummins
And I was REALLY getting fond of FriendFeed. From now on only downhill applicationwise?
- Bart
Not happy about this. I use Facebook, but don't like it. It reminds me of AOL from 10 years ago.
- David Sharpe
I agree that I don't want FB to mess up FF, but this will also give FF a higher profile and bring in many more users...which we may or may not like, judging by what happened on Twitter. I hope FF doesn't die off like Jaiku because I really think FF offers a more valuable and useful interface.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
One thing to consider is this: If we have "trusted" the FriendFeed people not to screw things up, hopefully we can trust them to make sure they're still in control in the terms of the acquisition.
- Adam Reyher
What's it going to be called? Failbook?
- Ian Tindale
I hope this is a joke.. Damn it, I dont like Facebook now there is nowhere to go... F***
- Jacque
I am trying to imagine how this will be a good thing for existing FF users. It feels so right and so wrong all at once!...Maybe at least my kids and wife will finally get what I've been ignoring them for over the past year.
- Thom Kennon
Is that means we're going to see more extremist groups around, now that FB has acquired FF?
- Nir Ben Yona
so where do all the cool kids go now? we need another startup, stat!
- h1ro
I am afraid... what johnny2009 have said can really be the future... soon friendfeed will = Jaiku
- Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Damn,I've just"got friendfeed,and i love it.I definately don't like facebook.What does it mean for twitter?
- Paul Downing
Any investors want to predict the buyout price?
- Kevin Pruett
am gonna wait for google wave... coz in facebook, i cant access the complete stream for a month ago, the site goes down very often while browsing, and privacy issues galore!! congratulations for friendfeed but its jus me!!!
- Gtp19
Maybe we´re seeing here one of FriendFeeds biggest discusions ever. I´m sceptic about the future of FF as a standlone service...
- Torsten Eckert
What concerns me most is what happens to my friends here (and that I have to interact with my friends THERE). Will we have to be friends to interact in the same way we have the last couple of years?
- jcunwired
This is very good for FriendFeed as long as Facebook doesn't corrupt them. I would have preferred to see Google buy FF but I know with their focus on Wave I don't think it would have been a good fit. I like the Facebook platform, but they have done too many shady things in the past for me to trust them.
- Adam Teece
all of the conversation is happening on FriendFeed and Twitter - nothing on Facebook. Think we'd scare away Facebook if everyone starts having lots of conversations there - like on Scoble's fan page?
- Stuart Miniman
They can or don't have to fix FF's FB app now.
- ydfeed
All I can think of is now a lot of people can feel the pain the dedicated Pownce community felt, but at least you're not getting shut down, just yet.
- Mike Lewis
I'm not a big facebook user, but my gut feeling is that like twitter buying summize, it will mark the end of major innovations. I hope I'm wrong. But they should totally go with the facefeed mashup name.
- motownmutt
I dont see any potential for competition with twitter FB and Twitter serve different purposes as does FriendFeed
- iluvblackwomen
Sorry but renaming Facebook to 'Facefeed' is utterly stupid.
- Alex Knight
does making google reader more social has anything to do with this buyout??!
- Gtp19
yeah this was good for facebook. bad for anyone who liked friendfeed.
- Liz
FriendFeed is very good, a better way to use Twitter & etc. Knowing this, I still rarely use FF. Not going to start using Facebook more.
- Nicole
Actually, this could be death for Twitter when you think about it. The people I know who are in FB are not likely to add TWO more nets to their lifestream. FriendFeed makes more sense for them. Maybe Twitter just stays as the dumb pipe it's become for many of us here.
- Thom Kennon
Echoing what others have said - My guess: Facebook will get better, Friendfeed will get worse, Twitter will matter a lot less.
- Matthew Blaisdell
Good for FB UI and search, questionable for the FF community and its independent spirit ...
- Bo Stern
The main reason why I came to FF was because when I tried to treat FB the same as FF, i was talking to a wall. At least people interact here. At FB, it's all about the cheesy games/apps.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Just like most acquisitions, it could be good and it could be bad. I trust that FriendFeed will live on as FriendFeed, only sharing their tech with Facebook. Possibly more integration between the two sites. If you were FF/FB, what would you do?
- Nick Humphries
Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are three entirely different animals. Facebook eats Friendfeed and poops out little bits of content that once belonged to us. Twitter continues to thrive as the broadcast conversation-wannabe that it always was.
- jcunwired
Nick - think again. Its going to go away - read the tea leaves in this statement: "Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users" - Bret Taylor in this post https://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- jcunwired
Facebook must want real time soc-net search badly...
- martin smith
The biggest thing here, at least within the Twitter context, is that this merger will combine 'verified' identity (in terms of Facebook user ID being slightly more 'real' than Twitter) with real time status updates.
- Dan Patterson
I'm looking forward to what this brings to Facebook. I have enjoyed both networks but wondered when FriendFeed/Facebook would face-off and/or be absorbed by the other. I think FriendFeed's tech will improve the Facebook experience.
- Jacob Sloan
FriendFeed + Twitter = disruptive. FriendFeed + Facebook = one more app for FB . Facebookers dont know the power of FriendFeed. I agree with : "" So FB failed to buy Twitter, - so they buy FF which is just a UI for twitter.. - Nick Halstead ""
- Rocky
Most likely scenario is Facebook assimilates the FriendFeed guys, has them work on improving Facebook newsfeed/realtime/status, and lets FriendFeed die a slow unmaintained death.
- Richard Akerman
Well, my friends on FB doesn't give a damn about sharing links, news, pics, vids etc. So I'm not sure how I will use FB+FF now. I don't think FriendFeed will exist, just implemented in Facebook. The name FriendFeed will die. And: on FB you don't want the whole world to see everything you're doing, just your friends. And it will stay this way. So the question is: Who will build the new FriendFeed?
- Patrik Johansson
Do this mean, by the way, that we (the FriendFeed users) should start to connect with each other on FB? How will they like that? People who get's 2-3 maybe 4000 connections?
- Patrik Johansson
Robert, it means all the time you invested building friends lists and updates there will go to Facebook :-)
- Loic Le Meur
could someone start to develop a Frienfeed clon , please ? ASAP !
- Rocky
Seems bloody terrible from this users perspective. Good for Friendfeed the company though.
- Quasar
Given Facebook's past, this could be really bad. Given FriendFeed's past, this could be really good. No real way to speculate without talking to the FF crew.
- xero
+3273 Quasar! (one for each of my Likes, already on a death march)
- jcunwired
Robert, do you know if Facebook is going to put on limits here at FF??? Oh crikey... so much for our citizen journalism here.... Admittedly I am bummed. Uber bummed.
- Arleen Boyd
your blog is the most important thing you can own on the web. these sites can come and go. it's a great social point but true friends you've made here you talk outside of ff, right?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
It's a good time to sell to Facebook, cause Google Wave is imminent and is going to destroy all of Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. I think FriendFeed employees might even go back to Google eventually as soon as their contracts with Facebook are up.
- Charbax
Robert - wow. just wow I am stunned. Sorta sad actually. I love FF innovation and don't want to see that stop !!!!!
- Susan Beebe
(RE: Your tweet earlier) When you say the minor league team going to the majors, I don't always feel that this is a positive thing. As in this case, it's like Ferrari being acquired by Ford. I don't think I like this acquisition.
- Richard Merritt
the free ride couldn't last forever. I know it sucks that things will change, but they've got a lot more sense than Twitter has about these things..
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
You must all assimilate to the new FaceFeed
- Jonathan.Rivera
From what I'm gathering, this acquisition is more about FB acquiring the talented engineers of FF than it is about the FF software itself. A smart play by FB. Unfortunate for us that value FF. I personally feel that FB is just slowly becoming the new Myspace. Which I don't think I need to explain how lame that is.
- Richard Merritt
If you ignore all the crappy apps and just comment and post photos, your main feed on Facebook is fundamentally a pretty similar experience to FriendFeed - people post stuff, people comment on it. That is, at-least, the way my network tends to use Facebook. The main difference is that Facebook defaults to being very closed and private while FriendFeed defaults to being very open and...
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- Edward Coffey
edward - pretty much. it's FF for the layman. remember back in the day they used to have forums too?
- Terry O'Fee
friendfeed is very cliquey. you have your group of people who usually gather round for conversations. now imagine some of this friendfeed stuff in facebook. done right it will help them a lot.
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
I don't think I am liking this but FB does need to add the "edit" feature like on here.
- Marika Dye
FF acquisition is expected. But, as a user, I would be bumned, if FF would become a feature of FB. As, I tend to use Twitter as my social network and not FB.
- Vasu Srinivasan
It doesn't make much sense talking about 'Facefeed" and 'Friendbook'... Facebook simply bought a cool 12-people company called Friendfeed for its great search technology paying 15M plus some shares, which is really very cheap in this context, given the value of FF's technology (as it is perceived by us). They are also hiring the talented FF team, which makes the deal even more interesting for FB. Probably there are also some deeper hidden motives and implications that I am not able to get.
- Liviu Barbat
I would love it if Facebook integrated the FriendFeed features. I would love it if Facebook had FriendFeed's flexibility with Facebook's privacy control. It sucks that the world may lose FriendFeed, but it is great the Facebook will likely get better.
- Andrew
Andrew, Facebook will get better - over time. There won't be any Vulcan website meld of FB and FF overnight.
- Bill Sodeman
thank god someone understands that, andrew. it's like "i liked this band better before they went to a major label!" ;)
- Terry O'Fee
Bill - But we can dream, can't we? :) I mean, what I love about Facebook is that I'm interacting with my friends as my friends, not as usernames and avatars. But I hate their bookmarklet, the weird delays when I post anything, the comment system, and I hate the Photo gallery tech. I love the FriendFeed community, but would love bringing the FriendFeed technology over to Facebook even more. If only Facebook could buy Flickr next...
- Andrew
as long as fb start thinking in creative commons terms... one day ..
- Terry O'Fee
they are both great services I think will be a good thing
- Logan Lindquist
oh NO! I don't spend much time at FB (everybody there's too busy playing stupid games, at least in my little network), and besides it's more private unlike FF. And now they've gone and bought FF? And I just joined! I guess I won't be around here for long, since FF won't...
- Dennis Jernberg
No mention of Yahoo. Totally irrelevant these days. Sad.
- Scott Schnaars
This deal makes sense! Now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask!
- Garin Kilpatrick
One of my facebook accounts got closed up. Into this account I fed my friendfeed. And into friendfeed I fed for example my socialmedian shares, diggs, stumbles etc.
- Wilhelm Bauer
Time for the next generation app. *Taps foot impatiently for Google Wave*
- Karen Masullo
I don't think it's about getting Friendfeed it's self; but having the developers and the information about real-time search.
- Chris Martin
I saw a skinner on deviantart working on some mods for this yesterday. They're slowly starting to move some of their work to 7 finally. There's a couple of nice themes already, but it should get really interesting when the most talented skinners start working on it.
- Michael Fidler
Awesome news - Windows 7 rocks. This is what Vista SHOULD have been (but then Vista is much better than the detractors would have you believe)
- Colin Walker
Galaga rules - where's my Mame installation......
- Colin Walker
I just wish the aliens would stop killing me. And what are those tube sock medals in the corner? I thought they were bombs because everyone has always told me they were, but no one has bothered to tell me how to activated them.
- Admiral Anika
Quote: We’re going to have to find our voices beyond the conversation we have with one another. Otherwise, it won’t be enough. - so true!
- Colin Walker
Man - Not happy about dropping off YOUR radar ... but I may share the piece anyway :)
- Charlie Anzman
Thanks Daniel - commented on your re-share.
- Hutch Carpenter
Charlie - you're not off my radar! I see you all the time.
- Hutch Carpenter
Just kidding man ... you're the bomb :)
- Charlie Anzman
The "more active" (I can't stand calling it "popular", because that's not -really- what it is) users, I filter through others. If they post TONS of stuff, it can't all be good, and other people talking about it filters it for me. One of the best uses of FF's "friend of", imo. This way I only get the handful of Scoble et al posts a day that warrant further looks, for example, instead of drowning in all of them.
- abacab
I'm seeing this trend myself. I'm slowly adding friends that are not even near the A-list. The quality of my reading has improved as a result.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto - Just wander over to the everyone tab. It's becoming more of a gold mine everyday!
- Charlie Anzman
abacab: only one out of a hundred things I post here are my own. So, if you want to find interesting new people to follow who aren't Scoble my feed is a great place to start. Roberto: exactly. That's why I say you define yourself by who you follow. Follow smart people and you'll get smarter. Follow abusive people and you'll get more abusive.
- Robert Scoble
thanks for taking this to the next level Hutch. I think it's an important progression/evolution for the site and as you say, one that is healthy for the FF ecosystem.
- Morgan
I subscribe to every person on the new list. They are my FF A Listers. I also subscribe to Thomas Hawk and Scoble.
- Russellreno
I'm a fan of Robert Scoble's FriendFeed stream. I may not do a lot of Likes, but he's got good stuff in there. And he gets good interactions on his posts, so that's interesting. But I am enjoying the broadening out of the experience here.
- Hutch Carpenter
thanks to this post (i think) i'm getting a bunch of new subscribers - thanks hutch! i'm subscribing back. i like when i add a bunch of new folks - it's like a shiny new friendfeed.
- Morgan
Good post, Hutch.. progression is happening as people get to know each other. I still like to check in on the "big dogs" (that's the name of my list), but I find more and more I enjoy FriendFeed for the fun, not for the technology/social intake.
- Tim Hoeck
Personally, I've been straying in this direction for a while and I think it's evident from an under-current in a number of my posts over recent months. I don't, therefore, think it's just a summer doldrums things but we'll see what happens later in the year.
- Colin Walker
Not at all!! If anything, as more people get exposed, immersed (addicted?), more people are connecting, technologies / services are advancing to be the newest/greatet (ie: micro-blogging -> micro-blogging w/ options - location based + multi-media, etc.), mobile + desktop services/software/sites seem to be intertwining, and technology companies in general seem to be shifting to a more consumer driven one. If anything, I'm more excited about the internet and technology than ever!! :)
- Mona Nomura
You're looking at wayyy too small a picture in that post. The people you are talking about are all tech bloggers. What you aren't looking at is the larger picture.A higher interest in technology and, new technologies are leaking into the mainstream. Maybe for the techies things are not as nice and shiny as they used to be but..for the rest of us social media is a "new frontier" that people are just beginning to explore.
- Candace
I don't know about this social media thing but EA has a lot more fun with its shiny objects.
- Robert Scoble
Depends on who you ask. For those in the echo chamber (or just with their ear against it), I'd say so. For the rest of the world, I think you'll find that social media was never so shiny to begin: they have FaceBook or MySpace and that's it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Stupid: (wow, that sounds rude =|) Did you read Shey's recent blog post on the echo chamber? It was a really good piece. Read it here: http://www.sheysmith.com/2008... (Steven, sorry for hijacking your thread...)
- Mona Nomura
@Candace - as with most of my posts this is purely to raise a conversation on something that I was thinking about
- Steven Hodson
The only people that are getting jaded are the one that follow the same routine (online and offline) every day. Mix it up a little gang. It's healthy, and there's a whole new world here .... and Mona
- Charlie Anzman
I find it funny that all of you are throwing critques around ON social media.
- Robert Scoble
+1 to Charlie and @Scoble - Don't point out the irony! ...It's not as funny that way :(
- Candace
@Mona: Definitely not trying to be rude, I'm simply drawing off my experience with friends and family offline. They aren't tech people, but they are all web users and only a handful of them have anything to do with social media (and it's FB and MS). Even the tech people I deal with don't feel drawn to it.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Stupid Blogger: I heard EXACTLY the same thing said about personal computers in 1977.
- Robert Scoble
well maybe a shakedown coming up via increased competition to get rid of the non value adding ones....
- Marcel Ekkel
@Mona: reread & realized you weren't calling *me* rude. Doh! You can call me SB, or find my name which is hidden around here somewhere... To check my perspective, I looked over my FB profile: all but two friends are from my math & science magnet school. Other than one guy who actually works at Google (and you can't count him, he's in the chamber!), no one else seems all that involved in social media outside of FB.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Scoble: Wouldn't you say, though, that the speed of adoption and adaptation have dramatically increased over the past 30+ years? What previously took 5-10 years to become 'mainstream' is now taking a year or three.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
SB: I hear you, but IMHO, Facebook and Myspace are slowly breaking in the masses. New Facebook, upgraded Myspace, incorporation of new services, apps, etc., :) Oh, and the iPhone. The iPhone revolutionalized the American mobile market, regardless of how buggy / over-hyped it is.
- Mona Nomura
Stupid: absolutely. The world is going faster now.
- Robert Scoble
twitter just hit USA Today. I think it's just getting started for the 99% who aren't in the chamber.
- Morgan
@Scoble - if people have an issue with social media then, surely, social media itself is the perfect place to air those concerns as they are immediately placed in front of those who can do something about it. You wouldn't complain to an Apple customer service rep if you had a problem with McDonalds. I see no irony here.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
Colin: you missed my point. If social media is so bad I'm sure there are alternatives where you could communicate your point of view more effectively, no? I guess I'm just getting tired of seeing all the social media talk coming through my reader and through FriendFeed today. Oh well, I know this storm will probably pass within a few hours. Even haters can't focus for very long lately. :-)
- Robert Scoble
ah excuse me Robert but no-one in this thread expressed any kind of "hater" speech .. and neither was my post anywhere close to being in that vein. So maybe clarify your assumption
- Steven Hodson
Steven: it wasn't this comment cluster or even your post I was talking about. There were a bunch of anti-social media sentiment that came through my reader tonight and I'm reacting to the group of things. Hater is probably too strong a word. Critic, or critical thought is probably more correct. "Uninteresting" is the word you used in your blog post. I guess I should have just said they were bored. I'm bored with this topic, so onward.
- Robert Scoble
i try to think of any online stuff w.r.t the real life (humans remain human even online). How has it been w/trad. media? We got newspapers then magazines then periodicalls then specialized magazines then specialized newspapers then what? perhaps one or more item? the rest is variations, improvements, derivations and AGGREGATIONS of those, right? Following those? yes, people get into new but there is saturation. So is it online. There is increase in following but the curve is saturating..
- Hayk H.
To echo Steven, I am certainly not a hater and have been a huge advocate of social media and its possibilities. With regards to other avenues, they may exist but would not be as effective in communicating directly with those involved. And besides, what's a blog for if not to have your say?
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
I'm all for mouthing off on a blog. :-) I'm just bored. I should have hid this cluster and went on with my life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Social media age is about 3-4 years.Probably,it's the time of first crisis.
- Igor Poltavskiy
@Igor, I would rather call it a life cycle!
- Hayk H.
As a "newbie" to the social media scene, it hasn't lost it's luster for me. I started on FB just 4 months ago and I am just learning how to really get connected. I've gotten 20 friends and family to join FB and I have discussions with most of them daily. I think social media is still growing and will eventually be a part of everyone's online experience.
- Jonathan.Rivera
Steven, maybe you are seeing something similar that happens to people when they drink too much Coca Cola. It gets your sugar levels way up, puts you into hyper drive, but after a while the rush wears off and you slow down. You then either drink some more which leads to adjustments in your body that make you less hyper the more you drink. Or you do what is probably most healthy. Drink a coke when you are thirsty or really enjoy it, and stick to something healthier for the rest of the time.
- Alexander van Elsas
I am beginning to believe that a lot of the pro-bloggers/breaking news type of bloggers have been drinking too much coke ;-) There are really exciting things going on in this world. But you don't have to race to the next "new" fad to see that happening. You can find it all over the place ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Yeah, welcome to the club. One of my online things is virtual worlds. I registered for one call Habbo Hotel (if u know it, yeah sorry I assume things.) All the sudden I found myself surrounded by teens. Play acting or real I don't care...EJECT! Haven't had to worry about that sort of thing much in spaces like this, however.
- Jim Stanger
By the way, LG, that tiny url is either very wise or very not wise. People are gonna find you googling "too young" aren't they? They're probably not folks that you'd appreciate connecting with. Just a thought...
- Jim Stanger
@Jim, it could be worse. I didn't check to see if "barely legal" was taken. And maybe it's better that I have it than somebody else who would be linking to a darker place.
- Louis Gray
I think that the fact, that someone at 31 is having problems with being followed online by a 14 year old geek - who is probably seeking a role-model - or by a 20 year old girl (isn't that what people used to call woman in saner times?), and instantly starts to worry about "people assuming things" is telling. When I was 10-14 I used to hang out with older people, learning from the collegues of my mother - usually mechanical engineers or such - or of my father - working in the computer industry.
- Roland Hesz
Truth, brutha! The Einstein painting video I posted about earlier today on Twitter I tried to get /einstein linked to. Taken. Homesteading is in full effect! :-) I should secure /roadup but the domain is shorter than the tinyurl anyway. Oh what the hell...heh.
- Jim Stanger
@Roland... telling? Explain a bit for us.
- Louis Gray
I think it is a sad thing that you have to worry about "what people will assume??" If a teenager can't follow adults, how in the heck will they find a normal, everyday role model? How will they learn something useful? Why don't we just wall off people of separate ages? Sorry, but this is just plain crazy.
- Roland Hesz
@Roland It is crazy, but it's a truth of modern day society...at least in the United States. Even if that truth wasn't there, though, I'd still hope a youngster would be able to find a role model they could learn from offline. At least start it offline, and take it online if it's something that works for both.
- Jim Stanger
I'm 36. I have friends and colleagues who are 20. Ay 18, one of my best friends - and a great mentor - was nearly 30. Don't worry about it.
- Didi Chanoch
@Didi Good on you. I'm not much older and I find teens and early 20's people a strange but fascinating alien species. Wish I didn't. Is it another sign I'm getting older? Do people of any age have to lose touch with younger people, or am I just closing myself off? And when will those damn kids get off my lawn?!? ;-)
- Jim Stanger
@Louis Gray telling that you have to worry about it. That's a problem I think.
- Roland Hesz
Part of this is also that the perspective is changing as well. I've been at the same company for about 8 years, starting there when I was 23. I've always been the youngest, or one of the younger, people in a specific category. As I grow older, and the next generation starts to be in the peer group, it takes getting used to. (Not creepy per se, just new)
- Louis Gray
@Jim problem is, that if a Hungarian teenager wants to learn about, say rocket science, he will have to look for a US engineer say. Given that it takes about 20 hours to fly to the US, or more, the offline bit is impossible. The online thing will work, and sometimes that's the only way. And a 20 years old is not a youngster. That's an adult :)
- Roland Hesz
Louis, that tinyurl link is throwing 500 errors.
- Duncan Riley
@Roland Fair 'nough. Academic or similar contacts I see differently. The great promise of email all those years ago was the idea you could contact experts in a field that were otherwise inaccessible by other channels. I wouldn't wish that away for anyone, anywhere. General "kid looking for a parental figure" thing, though? Yikes! Too many unknowns, no rules.
- Jim Stanger
I know, if you sub LG you see them all, but just in case here's the other FF discussion going on about this: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Jim Stanger
@Jim I agree. I still think it's not about the age, it's about the 1) reason and context of contact 2) modified by age. What is perfectly normal with someone over 20 or your own age is weird with a teenager, and the other way around. But I would not say that "I won't contact people younger by X years". I will not in any circumstances welcome a kid on Second Life, but I will gladly talk with him or her about software development or music on twitter, msn, plurk, whatever.
- Roland Hesz
@Duncan I see, well, I believed you, just tried to help, but then all is good :)
- Roland Hesz
Michael Arrington just tweeted that TinyURL appears to be "completely hosed."
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
To find all relevant conversations, search for "creepier" and ignore the older stuff.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
This is an ancient thread, but I just read the article. My life situation is strange (10-yr-old at college), and I wish that people would just value others based on who they are (not title, class, sex, race, age). I'm 41 and take ballet/jazz/hip-hop classes with people -29 yrs younger, and was at a springboard diving competition with a lady +64 yrs older. One relationship was with a lady +16 yrs older, but always with older women. My Facebook friends are 17-75 (avg 37).
- Mitchell Tsai
ancient thread perhaps, but thanks to things like FF, I get to be alerted to it in all my business lately and it was very thought provoking. got my wheels-a-turnin. I might just write something on it soon. This is what I love about technologies like this and other aggregators - posts that normally might have escaped me are brought into the foreground for me to "munch" on and digest and...
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- TheMacMommy
from twhirl
But don't you seperate who you add on twitter for example compared to maybe Facebook. I hardly check who adds me on twitter, compared to Facebook which I only add people I've met in real life, and non of 'virtual friends' Mind you, so far I know... I don't have any kids following me or adding me 2 FF, FB or Twitter... To a great extent, its just how much of your life willing to put online for whole world to see.
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
I think it is refreshing that someone actually thinks of this. So many just want the followers. Age wasn't really the focus to me, but it seems that was the stopping point for many. It was more about that weird feeling of when you know you've stepped into a maturity level that is not your own. And frankly, at some of the levels things can get dicey. And generally, that has some relationship to age (but not always). It is creepy.
- Boo
Apologies for coming late to this discussion, but don't see a point having been made here tht I think needs to be made: wrt twitter, ffeed and identi.ca (at least), following/subscribing is very much NOT the same as "friending" on other, more deliberately "social" social media e.g. facebook. I've never used the latter, so actually have trouble groking this issue. For me, subscribing/following says nothing about any desire for reciprocity; I'm just using a tool to make it easier to read your stuff.
- Tegan Dowling
Oh, crud, sorry -- I see my point/issue *is* well-addressed over on the other thread, at http://friendfeed.com/e... Come on, Ffeed, get that de-duping stuff done!
- Tegan Dowling
I'm 47 and my feelings on this issue are complicated. I do feel creepy when I find myself occasionally in situations surrounded by people 22-25 years my junior (in other words, 22-25-year-olds). Or more -- I felt totally gross when I innocently friended my 17-year-old niece on Facebook, only to find that I was apparently more than twice the age of her next-oldest friend. Eww! (con't on next rock)
- Mitch Wagner
OTOH, it's wrong to judge people based on their age. And, as we get older, we have to work to keep our brains from becoming calcified, and one way to do that is to associate with people of *all* ages. I surround myself with people whom I consider peers, aged from early 20s to nearly 70, and I think that's good. When I find myself in a gathering that's much younger than me, I try to behave in a manner appropriate to my age -- which, I think, involves being a bit aloof and avuncular. (con't on next rock)
- Mitch Wagner
That said: I like to go to clubs in Second Life, and when SL introduced voice, I was pleased to see a lot of people were using voice in one of my favorite clubs. I switched on voice myself -- only to discover that most of the people on voice appeared to be teen-agers. Ewwwww! I had no idea that they were teens -- I guess when we're clubbing in SL, we all behave a bit in an adolescent fashion. I never went back to that club again.
- Mitch Wagner
Louis says: "Being Louis Gray or Robert Scoble probably isn’t that much different than being Alexander van Elsas." I responded "Ha ha Louis, I doubt it. I am still amazed at the incredible amounts of readings and interactions you (and Robert) are capable of handling. And have time for twins and your own blog. I have a lot of respect for that. You even had time to read this post ;-) The force is with you my friend!"
- Alexander van Elsas
nothing wrong with long posts Alexander, it's just that rarely someone can make me read them with interest till the very end
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir I hope you made it to the end of this one then ;-). I'm interested to hear what you guys think about this metaphore of social media spam and how you end up dealing with it? ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
oh absolutely the hidden msg in the comment was that you're one of the blogers who keep me untill th eend of the post :-) ...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
SM spam I don't think it's all that bad, unlike mail spam it's up to us to decide how much we get, the beauty of rich topics sharer is it help gain interest in topics other than the my primary (tech)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, I don't agree. I have very limited control over the amount of content I get to see on Friendfeed for example. The fast amount of content makes early adopters look for tech solutions that are mail-spam like. We are looking for trust filters, noise filters, friend filters, content filters, hide options, block options. Sounds familiar? That's what we did to try and get our inbox under control. But the problem isn't on the receiving end. Social Media aggregation is more fundamentally flawed.
- Alexander van Elsas
indeed filters are necessity, but it just show people are starting to USE the web, the numbers of participant will only grow from now on, yes it has downsides, but the world is changing. Right now we're all learning how to deal with the change
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
I'd rather not have filters, wouldn't use them if possible. I simply dive in and out every once in a while and accept that I can't see all the goodies ;-) I believe that the way things are shared and aggregated lead to an enormous amount of (abundant) content flowing in all directions. It's not very efficient imo. That is why an intended share is often much more valuable.
- Alexander van Elsas
@Sachendra says on Twitter: @vanelsas takes a lot of courage to go against the flow, yours is one of the few voices I care about. I responded: @sachendra Thank you! But honestly, it doesn't feel like going against he flow, I always just try to look at things from a user perspective.
- Alexander van Elsas
Alexander, the user perspective is something that tends to be missed. When I say user I mean non-early adopters. Granted this is my current bitchmeme, so good timing. As usual a fantastic post.
- Rob Diana
Rob thank you. What is really weird about it is that this thinking is natural to anyone except early adopters it seems. We early adapters are willing to take the sh*t as it comes, which is weird. In the end we are too just users that need value ;-) Try explaining something like Friendfeed to you wife, I did. It takes her 10 sec or so to start laughing at me and put me with 2 feet on the ground again. I simply learned to look at it from that perspective too, it works just fine ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Hmm, that almost sounded like I don't use services that my wife doesn't like ;-) The point is, if I can't explain the value of a service in 10 secs to someone not familiar with the service, that is already an indication that I'm not so sure it has all that value to myself
- Alexander van Elsas
You're right, I feel the same way. Most people who have a problem with Digg actually have a problem with the community. I don't forsee Google doing anything about that.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Zero change unless Google gives them more resources to fix things up a bit
- Mark Dykeman
I am thinking that Google would try to do something in the long run. In the short term (next 6 months), I do not see Google doing anything as it would be too risky to lose the current digg users.
- Rob Diana