You can now get a daily or weekly email digest for anybody's feed on FriendFeed. You'll get a daily or weekly email with the most popular posts from that person's feed. To get the email, click the "Email/IM" link at the top of anyone's feed, and select the "Best of day" or "Best of week" email option.
Thanks to Kevin for doing a great design for what turned out to be a more complex set of UI options than we had originally anticipated, and thanks to Tudor for implementing the email backend.
- Bret Taylor
I now get the FriendFeed Feedback posts as a Best of Day email so it doesn't fill up my feed, but I don't miss feedback. I also set up a "Best of Day" email for my "Technology people" friend list so I get a pretty good overview of tech news every day via email.
- Bret Taylor
This is a really cool idea Bret, I wish you can make that an RSS feed option as well. I'd be much more likely to read summaries in RSS than in email.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Casey: Thanks for the tip. What's the 7 before the "?" mean in the URL? The number of likes or replies needed to be included?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
this is killer, the random influx of email during the day was kinda getting fail-ish. I love the daily digest.
- Drew Lucas
Very cool! Any way to get archives of previous months? (especially helpful for those of us who leave the internet for weeks at a time...)
- Mitchell Tsai
Ahsan: it is somewhat random right now when the emails are sent, but we built in the backend capability to control what time they are sent, and we plan on exposing that control to users in the future. Right now, it is kind of random - sorry!
- Bret Taylor
Cool! can i get a daily or weekly email digest for the "Saved searches"?
- 0M0M
from email
This will be incredibly useful. Thanks to all involved in the design and execution.
- Kathy Fitch
But what exactly is "Best"? Is it anything that has a certain number of likes/comments?
- Laura Norvig
@Bret LOL THAT WAS MY PROJECT! I will release it tomorrow. But you've also did it and killed my friendfeed application **sigh** But mine has multi-reporting weekly-daily-monthly at the same time and adjustable entry count!
- Alp
@Bret please consolidate me or I won't code new apps with you api! :-)
- Alp
Alp: we were not trying to withhold data. Later today the documentation will be updated to reflect the ability to obtain "Best of" for users. The feed id will be USERNAME/summary/N (similar to "Best of" for lists)
- Benjamin Golub
Hi Ben, that is pretty funny, I tried that URL earlier today to see if it has been secretly released :)
- Paul Kinlan
Bret: While Twitter struggle to keep their fail whale under control, you guys are developing stuff like this. Amazing - Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
awesome feature, this will be highly useful for my corporate group ideas / content sharing; projects, etc.... THANK YOU :)
- Susan Beebe
Great work. I especially like that it works on lists too.
- Meryn Stol
my inbox might say different, but I like that :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Wow, this is really neat! And it links into the idea I expressed earlier, re: reducing signup friction / enabling limited guest privileges. Imagine if I could embed one of my FF rooms on my personal web site, and enable people to subscribe to that feed by e-mail with just a couple of clicks... rather than saying "you can get e-mail notifications but you have to sign up for Friendfeed first." "sign up" -- though admirably lightweight on FF -- is still a huge barrier.
- Adam Lasnik
is there a love button cause I dont like this option I LOVE this option..great work guys
- (jeff)isageek
Three options I would like (1) Can I select "top 100" instead of "top 30"? (2) Could I select both "best of day" and "best of week"? (3) How about older timeperiods? I'd love to get an e-mail with stuff from last week or Mar 2009? Start & end dates? Anything to help me read FriendFeed off-line would be great since I spend long periods off-line at festivals (especially during summer time) or overseas. - Awesome job guys!
- Mitchell Tsai
So this works on groups too, cool! But we still cannot see Best of for groups on the site on friends lists. :-( I have several friends lists that include just groups and when I select to view the best of the page it's empty (even though if I got to the individual best of for those groups there are entries there).
- Kol Tregaskes
does anyone know of a web service that can do this? (I'm thinking weekly email updates of my favorite feeds/people) I don't think there's anything like friendfeed ..
- Franc, a rememberer
This morning we changed the format of FriendFeed subscription email messages to include more information about people who subscribe to you. Please let us know if you see any problems, and keep an eye out for more email improvements in the future.
I'm all for improving the format of notifications, but wonder (aloud) if it is such a smart move to include the Approve/Reject link right at the top (unless it only appears in private feeds to which someone has requested access). Right now we have the option of blocking/ rejecting a subscriber at any time but presumably not at the very outset. This may lead to more of a walled gardens' mentality, already very prevalent at FF.
- ianf ⌘
ianf: approve/reject is only for private feeds. Public feeds just have a link to subscribe back :)
- Benjamin Golub
I noticed this one! Such informations about people who subscribe to me on FriendFeed are useful, and makes it easy to quickly get in the conversation. Thanks for the good job!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Gmail automatically showed me the images in a subscription email, even though I never told it to (you know how gmail has the 'display images below' option). further, it doesn't give me the option to hide the images. not that I'd want to, but how are you bypassing gmail's security feature to hide the images?
- chrisofspades
Chris, we don't do anything special. I'm not sure how gmail decides what images to show, you'd have to contact them or check the gmail help.
- Casey Muller
Casey, you sure FriendFeed's founders didn't use some of their "we created Gmail" mojo? ;)
- chrisofspades
Chris, the "show images" only applies to external images hosted on other sites. Gmail doesn't show those by default because doing so would allow people to "bug" email. We include the images with the email so that they can be displayed immediately.
- Paul Buchheit
Yeah, sorry I couldn't respond to that one before. :-)
- Kevin Fox
well i be darned .... we now can rejoice, since fast paced additions to already good product are surely fastly coming about off the feedpipe ... it'l be a hectic season of finest upgrades ... I'm sure they'l start with keyboard shortcutze. ... I mean Google Reader rules on that. Intelligent to the extreme. ..Google.com, on the other hand - are we sleeping? .. not even "/" ??.. and that...
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- pb:
Congrats Ben! Totally agree with Jason. Our latest project wouldn't have become feasible without Ben -- I'm just so glad we managed to get a fraction of his time before he left! :)
- Simon
Congratulations, Ben! You're joining an awesome team.
- Anne Bouey
Congrats, you are now a "big company"! ;))))
- K.D.
That's not my picture! They got the picture wrong! In fact, I didn't get the letter of hire either. :( Oh, Hi there, Ben...if that's your real name. ;)
- Josh Haley
Good luck Ben! With you our preferred service will go more interesting
- Roberto
from fftogo
I think there were a bunch of spam comments made to some 2009-era posts by FF employees. For some reason even after the spam is nuked, the post stays bumped.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Yes, I blocked a spammer that was bumping old posts about FF themes and what not.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Well, let's see this as an opportunity to raise a virtual glass to Ben and FriendFeed-that-was!
- Kevin Fox
It probably had something to do with the Tornado 2.2 release. I noticed Ben was the one who posted about the release on HN earlier. Edit: Or it could have just been a spammer. *shrugs*
- Jimminy IS Everybody
I don't think it had anything to do with the tornado release - a spammer bumped a bunch of Bret's old posts today.
- Ben Darnell
Here, let me save future spammers some time: Hello my name is ____ and I am an attractive young ____ _____ and I would like to contact with you so that together you and I can ___ with ____ while _____ in a highly ____ manner. Please to be responding as soon as is practical. Without your help, the _____ in U.S. dollars will go unclaimed, and the herbal ______ remedy will wither and die. Yours in all urgent seriousness, _____.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"As a devoted FriendFeed user, I have tried to convince all of my friends and family to join the site, but a handful of them never quite got their accounts set up properly. With our new Recommend friends feature, I can fix their FriendFeed experience by recommending subscriptions to them." Try it out at http://friendfeed.com/friends...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
What am I supposed to get when I click the 'recommend friends' link on someone's pop-up? Currently, the popup just goes away and I don't get directed anywhere else.
- FFing Enigma
Fred: yah, unfortunately, you can only recommend people who you are subscribed you and who are also subscribed back to you.
- Bret Taylor
Mark, I didn't submit a bug report since what is supposed to happen wasn't actually spelled out on the blog post or here; this might be the intended functionality... I hope not, but it's possible.
- FFing Enigma
Tina: it is supposed to pop up a dialog. Sorry for the trouble - we will look into it.
- Bret Taylor
At first I did not understand this, but now that I am checking it out, it is brilliant and addresses much of what we have complained about. NOW what will we complain about?
- Liza + = ?
Just to confirm Bret, the first image in the blog post is what the pop up is supposed to look like, right? Because that's nothing like what the ff.com/recommend page looks like....
- FFing Enigma
I notice that new subscriptions are automatically added to one's home feed. I consider that kind of a bug.
- Meryn Stol
Tina: yes, that is correct. The http://friendfeed.com/friends... page is just a list of people that we think could use some friend recommendations since they have few subscriptions. If you click on any of the "Recommend" links on that page, you will see the same, standard "Recommend friends" dialog.
- Bret Taylor
Where would we find recommendations that others suggest to us?
- Fred Yankowski
@Bret, who receive the recommandation see also who is the recommender?
- Roberto
Fred: You will receive an email as well as a notification on the top of your feed.
- Ross Miller
Roberto: yes, they see who recommended
- Bret Taylor
Not getting the pop-over when I click 'recommend' on the friendfeed.com/friends/recommend page either... FFox 3.0.12 if it's relevant.
- FFing Enigma
Bret, if I recommend friends to people who haven't signed in for a long time, will they get email? A lot of my bored friends are not active FF users I think. (quite logical)
- Meryn Stol
and can I see who has accepted my recommendation?
- Roberto
Roberto: You won't be notified if they accept/deny as the recommender.
- Ross Miller
Ross: Ah, it just appeared on my feed. Cool. (And thanks Meryn)
- Fred Yankowski
Meryn: yes, they will get an email with your recommendations
- Bret Taylor
from email
Bret, I accidently just received an email with previous recommendations. I had already viewed them through the web-interface. But indeed, it's there. Email looks good too, as I expected of course. :)
- Meryn Stol
hey Robert Scoble....I have a trade proposal....you send my name to all your friends...i send your name to all of my friends for the rest of my life....
- Bob DeMarco
I would like that deal, too, Scoble. I like this a lot.
- Ben Hanten
Bob: I charge $1 per friend. :-) just kidding, but the UI makes it so hard to send you to more than a few people.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Bret: You guys rock! This is so much better than FollowFriday, which I recommended just a while back. Now, I'm waiting for some recommendation emails! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
If there’s something about friends and family not having their account set up properly, I’d prefer a way to recommend them the streams they forgot to add. For example, I could tell them “You forgot to add your Digg stream and your fourth and eight blog. Here’s the link.” Then he could just click the recommendation and had it set up easily.
- Natsuki Seika
As I have lots of subscriptions the pop-up window is *really* slow and always has been since the new UI (same thing for amending friends lists). :-( I like the feature though, so I could make a new friends list of my most recommended users and use that each time for each user?
- Kol Tregaskes
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create
- Joe Dawson
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
"Underground parking just got a new meaning! UK based firm, Cardock, has come up with this great idea for a world where people are constantly searching for more space. This underground garage accomplishes two important things: you can safely park your car with the push of a button saving space at the same time. Cars can even be parked on top of each other thus offering an efficient system for urban areas too."
- GokceGoksel (GG)
from Bookmarklet
in italy it is forbidden by law to read the employees' email (as well as check their browsing habits). don't you have similar laws in the u.s. too?
- Alb. [CHIUSO]
but @Alb: that's the email error/bounce info... can't help it that the message contents are included, that's just how it works
- .LAG liked that
i don't know actually how the law goes as far as bouncing email is concerned. i should check with a lawyer specializing in the topic...
- Alb. [CHIUSO]
Rape is a crime as well (forbidden by law), but many of the occurrences go unnoticed.
- İlter Kalkancı
(Disclaimer: I'm not the lawyer of anyone here. This is not legal advice.) As a high-level, general matter, employers in the U.S. can monitor employee email if they have a written policy in place that adequately discloses the monitoring to the employees. I knew someone whose entire job was to sit around all day tracking employees' web browsing for a large corporation.
- Brian Chang
My contract with my "employer" (an IT company in Poland) includes an article about how I use their office appliances, internet connection, company-given e-mail address and so on, although these items are not covered word by word... my lawyer told me, it could mean that they can use any of my e-mails as a proof of wrong doing according to their policies and that could give them the right to end my contract.
- İlter Kalkancı
You went to google where people read your mail, right? At least before that early bug in gmail search was fixed.
- Bruce Lewis
Paul, when was your first day of work at Google? This is to find the time it takes to actually get a job after sending your resume. And, to see if it has changed now. Thanks.
- Space Cowboy
So yeah, you used your Intel email address? You should have used Gmail! :)
- Tudor Bosman
@Alb, quite the opposite, *many* companies reserve the right to read their employees emails and spy on their browsing habits, and a handful of companies do so regularly.
- Laura Norvig
Space Cowboy, I think my first day was towards the end of June, but it took several weeks (3?) for me to accept the offer and quick Intel. I think I got my offer on June 6.
- Paul Buchheit
As for the email issue, if I were ever working someplace that spied on my email, getting fired would be a good thing because it would mean I was no longer working there. One of the benefits of SV is that there are always other options.
- Paul Buchheit
Somewhat ironic that the guy who'd reinvent email handling was still using elm in 1999 instead of something more MIME capable. ;)
- Phil Pennock
Can't speak for Paul, but I was using elm in 1999 as well :) The first (beta) release of mutt was not until 12/12/1998, and I personally never liked pine (the shortcuts were all wrong and it really insisted on using its own editor instead of, well, vi).
- Tudor Bosman
My recollection is that the mutt *alphas* were of higher quality than many other products' shipped final versions. The spread of evil HTML mail (*cough* how about that, Gmail?) made it all the more pressing to use a mail-client which could suppress the obnoxiousness.
- Phil Pennock
"One recent Googler, we’ve confirmed, was recently offered a counter offer he couldn’t refuse (except he did). He was offered a 15% raise on his $150,000 mid level developer salary, quadruple the stock benefits and…wait for it…a $500,000 cash bonus to stay for a year. He took the Facebook offer anyway."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Yes, it is. Many people at Google use Facebook offers in order to get a big raise.
- Paul Buchheit
It's the same story here in Italy, but for players of soccer...
- @zaps
and a big number of ex-Googlers transferred to Facebook.
- Ozgur Demir
It's no different than what MSFT and Yahoo! employees did in that past. At these time the destination was Google. The important metric would be their persistency in their next destination (if they made the switch) or the mean time between their "i'm leaving" bluffs.
- Berk D. Demir
seek no persistency Berk... that flow is consistent.
- Ozgur Demir
There's no way 150k is a mid level salary (without bonus). I looked at the disclosures for 2008 Google supported H-1B visas and 120k is the highest just 2 years ago.
- Doug Brooks
Doug, $150k is not uncommon for an experienced engineer in SV.
- Paul Buchheit
I think that the story is basically true, but that the numbers are somewhat exaggerated (or misinterpreted by TechCrunch), especially the $500k cash bonus.
- Tudor Bosman
I have some real numbers from recent such events, and while it's not cash, the number of GSUs being handed out are pretty astonishing. There's a serious bidding war going on.
- Piaw Na
You'd think Google could figure out the reasons people want to switch and use the money to fix the discrepancy. If you pay someone half a million dollars to stay for a year, they'll only stay for a year (and probably not be as productive in the interim).
- Kevin Fox
interesting, I thought the conventional advice was to never take counter offers for fear they will just drop you at a more opportune time, but maybe if they're offering up that kind of cash, they are genuinely interested in keeping, not just blocking the exit of, the employees. also, funny how this is the exact opposite of the zappos pay people to leave approach http://blogs.hbr.org/taylor...
- Karl Rosaen
Maybe I should turn back to Software Development..
- mak100
from BuddyFeed
"if you get 1/10 of 1%, that’s $100 million in stock." Uhh... There are only so many percents to go around...
- Brian Johns
@Kevin: Google is not stupid. They don't hand out cash. Retention packages are all in GSUs that vest over 4 years. Now, one statistic that I heard is that even people who receive the massive packages on average only stay for 2 years.
- Piaw Na
Just realized that a "mid level developer" at Google makes MUCH more than a "high level program manager" at a multi-billion dollar international. Wild guess that FB would have no interest in making me an offer (and that my company would laugh at me if I presented a FB offer to them expecting a counter). Ah, Silly Valley, you're still silly!
- Ryan Kaisoglus
I still call bs. I'm in silicon valley too :) Here's some H-1B data to support my skepticism. http://www.flcdatacenter.com/CaseRes... BTW I'm not saying that engineers aren't making this, just that it's not the mid/entry level guys.
- Doug Brooks
Google isn't the only company being poached from by FB.
- Mr. Gunn
Doug, there are several ex-Googlers commenting here, and none appear to disagree enough with the reported salary to point it out. Besides, the report said "mid-level" (not "entry level") which covers a wide range. There are some (non-senior staff) software engineers on your list that earn comparable amounts: e.g.: I-07330-3751869 147,000; I-08023-3822031 140,000; I-07352-3779209 139,000.
- Simon
I wonder if Google HR is desperate or trying to bluff Facebook into overpaying for folks.
- John Piscitello
That would be a very expensive bluff.
- Tudor Bosman
It's amusing that there is so much disbelief in these comments.
- Paul Buchheit
I don't think most people realize how much of a hockey curve the compensation for engineers is. It isn't something companies generally advertise.
- Joe Beda
from iPhone
@lelapin Well, all those underpaid brilliant engineers better start coming out of the woodwork. :-)
- Piaw Na
Perhaps instead of Big Money, Google should be offering increased autonomy and more chances to change the world. From the outside, and far away, I'd suspect the project coolness factor may matter as much as the bigger payout.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
A.T, here's a graph showing a hockey stick pattern: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/article... (it's a tough subject to google because you get flooded with ice hockey or climate controversy results)
- Micah
Also... and this is Monday morning quarterbacking, I realize that... Google should've put a hole or two in the scams FB used to rely a lot on for revenue. With a multi-pronged approach: technical and PR and political lobbying. (obviously it wouldn't have been framed as anti-FB, but pro-user, anti-scam.)
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
A.T. — sorry for not being clear. The axis for the imaginary graph I'm thinking about would be compensation on the Y axis and seniority/quality on the X axis.
- Joe Beda
from iPhone
Andrew C: Google already offers plenty of autonomy and chances to change the world. The people who are leaving/getting massive retention packages aren't leaving because FB changes the world more. Many of them wanted to leave because they were consistently under-valued at Google.
- Piaw Na
With all that talent, I wish FB deployed even a tiny portion of it to maintain Friendfeed
- Paola Bonomo
Why do people think 150k is over the top? $150k would be high here (Australia), but not crazy-high, and we don't have as much competition. If you include contract engineers I know quite a few people making that pretty easily. +15% + 4x stock benefits + 500K is nice though!
- Nick Lothian
Nick, I don't think $150k is over the top for Google. I think that $150k plus all the variable comp is over the top. Further, I think that outside of the small world of Google, FB, Twitter, etc, $150k for a mid-level developer is very high. Point of comparison: I work for a Fortune 5 company that also happens to be one of the 15 largest producers of software in the world (though...
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- Ryan Kaisoglus
@Ryan: http://seek.com.au/jobsear... - that's the java job market for Australia. Over 1200 jobs paying over $120K (multiple that by 1.1 to convert to US $) - and that's only including jobs where they advertise the pay. Edit: It's actually a lot more than that - a lot of the ads are for multiple positions (eg: we require 11 developers)
- Nick Lothian
This is so good. "Keep everything on the edge. Make sure there's never quite enough money, or time, or goods, or status, or anything else people might want. Insufficiency makes sick systems self-perpetuating, because if there's never enough ______ to fix the system, and never enough time to think of a better solution, everyone has to work on all six cylinders just to keep the system from collapsing. All of these things work together to make a bad workplace or a bad relationship addictive. You're run off your feet putting out fires and keeping things going, your own world will collapse if you stop, and every so often you succeed for a moment and create something bigger than yourself. Things will get better soon. You can't stop believing that. If you stop believing, you won't be able to go on, and you can't not go on because everything you have and everything you are is tied into making this thing work. You can't see any way out because there are always all these things stopping you,...
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- Paul Buchheit
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Uh...is there a message here? Like, for me?
- April Buchheit
Rule 1: Keep them too busy to think. Rule 2: Keep them tired. Rule 3: Keep them emotionally involved. Rule 4: Reward intermittently. WTH?
- April Buchheit
See: Built to Last, "Cult-like corporations." I think when you were at Google, you knew well that it was a cult, and might even have joked about it. :-)
- Piaw Na
I don't joke about FF. It's serious business.
- Rodfather
Shun the non-believer! SHUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!
- Kevin L
I picture cult members like Creed from the Office (http://www.youtube.com/watch...): "I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower: you have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader."
- Mark Trapp
I just heard a story on NPR recently that had some sort of cult rating system. One of the criteria was how much the organization was able to laugh at itself. In other words, the more serious, the more cult-like.
- Robert Felty
It depends on the definition of a cult, i.e. if you define cult in neutral way, then I think cult members are fully aware they are part of the cult. But if you chose a definition that implies negativity, then certainly no.
- ЕП
I dunno, Akiva was in a cult once and seemed to know it.
- Rochelle
My cousin's wife married him to 'get herself out' of a cult. She knew cognitively things weren't right, but she knew she needed an excuse to extract herself from all the enmeshed habits and relationships. It worked out for her, actually.
- Micah
They're happily married with two well adjusted kids. :)
- Micah
Most Alcoholics Anonymous members I know laugh at some of the more cultish aspects of the group. Of course, others I've met could've come straight from Jonestown.
- Rob H.
Correct, I too want them up there, directly after Friends list which, btw., DOES NOT NEED additional groupings into Favorites/ Personal/ Professional taking up screen real estate. Also, renaming Filters to "Saved Searches" is the wrong move, esp. since the latter string is far longer. Incidentially, Groups Prefs do not work for me - Groups shows 4 items even though I tried to revert it back to former 2. If Friends, Groups and Filters are to be separate, I'd place Groups last.
- ianf ⌘
Bump up text size to 24p, and browse it on a 13" laptop's screen - then you'll see how Filters (now Saved Searches) fall off the display.
- ianf ⌘
Ianf: Your Friends panel shows all the friends lists that you have. If you want all your friends in one list, you can put them in one list and delete all the other default lists. But those lists were already there. And the string "Saved Searches" doesn't take up nearly as much width as the names of most of my groups. :)
- Karl Knechtel
There does seem to be a bug if you try to put fewer than 4 items in your Groups.
- Karl Knechtel
@Karl - there's no option to delete selected (empty) lists, not via the Browse/Edit Friends option at the bottom. Similarly, Groups panel seems stuck at minimum 4 items there.
- ianf ⌘
@Ianf: Select the empty list in question (you'll have to do each one separately), and click 'Delete' at the top. :) I agree this could be streamlined better.
- Karl Knechtel
Ahsan, yes FF should. There is no way I want my Saved Searches at the bottom there!! If you have a lot of Subscriptions is *very* annoying to scroll way down to get to, what I would say, is FriendFeed's second most important new filter behind real-time! Please put back or give us the option to select what boxes we see and where they are in the sidebar? #betakoltag-ob
- Kol Tregaskes
Yes ++ Ahsan and Kol, I have more Groups than Saved Searches - I use my saved searches more than groups. If your Saved Searches are falling off the page - try viewing at 90% 0r 80%. (Viewing at 100% is far too big for me, and I'm half blind.) -[
- Chris Loft
April, you made that tiger costume just for the wedding, right?
- Gabe
I actually made that tiger costume for a Halloween party at Oracle (where I used to work) in 2000. Afterwards, I decided to visit Paul at his workplace (Google) to show him my creation. I asked him if he wanted to try it on and at first he said no, but after some convincing ("Are you sure? It's pretty cool.") he tried it on. Before I knew it, he was going around the office demanding...
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- April Buchheit
At that point, that's when I turned to Gabe and instructed him to not let Paul wear the tiger costume to our wedding. Gabe replied something to the effect of "He has his own will. I can't tell him what to do." (correct me if I'm wrong, Gabe)
- April Buchheit
I just want to state, for the record, that Paul did *not* wear the tiger costume during the ceremony. He just wore it for the pictures afterwards. He did say that he was glad that he didn't wear it during the ceremony because it was such a hot day and the church didn't have air conditioning.
- April Buchheit
So, Pics and it almost happened. PAIAH? ;)
- Josh Haley
Strangely, the rest of the entourage taking picture mostly disappeared while April was posing with Paul in his tiger costume ;)
- Clare Dibble