Paul Buchheit
There were some bugs in the "Twitter publishing" code that caused some entries to get published on Twitter when they should not, and others to not get published when they should. I've cleaned up the code to eliminate these problems, but it's possible some settings were lost. Please verify your settings at
I apologize for any lost or unwanted tweets. Please let me know if you spot any other problems. - Paul Buchheit
Cheers for this Paul. How cool is it that one of the founders of FF still gets his hands dirty in the code. Once a coder, always a coder :-) - Keith Bennett from Nambu
Thanks Keith :) By the way, if none of your posts are making it through to twitter, it may be that you changed your password. To verify, simply click "Save changes" at and we will check that your Twitter credentials are still good (and sign-out then back in to fix). - Paul Buchheit
Matthew, in general all the same settings that the old ui had are available on the new one (plus a few more), though they are now divided on to several different pages. You should be able to reach all of the the settings by clicking on the word "settings" below your name in the top-right part of the page (the dialog shows a few, and links to all the others). - Paul Buchheit
You can filter by service by searching for service:twitter (or whatever service you like), and of course that can be combined with other search operators as well. See for more. - Paul Buchheit
Thanks Paul, sounds like you pulled an all nighter to fix these. - Robert Scoble
Yeah, unfortunately the code had gotten rather involved since it was trying to support both the old ui and the new (the old ui worked on a per-service basis instead of letting you decide individually on each entry), and the logic sometimes became inconsistent. I simplified it quite a bit, so there should be less room for bugs now :) - Paul Buchheit
Thanks, Paul. :) - Josh Haley
Nice try, Matthew, I congratulate you on being awake, and carpe-diem'ing Paul here, but have to disappoint you - if FF wanted us to have favicons, they'd already issued us our favicons. Do you see any favicons that made the transition from earlier version. No? You think Paul nuked them by mistake... be my guest, and I'll be looking forward to the next couple of years' worth of your pleading for favicons when you could be learning to live both here and thereater without them. - ianf ⌘
I'm a bit confused about the "Post my FriendFeed entries on Twitter by default" and "FriendFeed (when there's no Cc box)" options. Are these exclusive? Does checking the first one mean all my FriendFeed posts will get posted to Twitter even if I uncheck the Cc box? - Tony Ruscoe
Paul, thank you thank thank you for the "Check CC Twitter box by default" option!!! That's one step closer to only needing Friendfeed. I'm almost ready to dump Google Reader AND Twitter now! - That's So CAJ!
Thanks Paul! - Edwin Khodabakchian
Tony, the "cc twitter by default" option sets whether then checkbox is checked or unchecked by default in the share box and bookmarklet. The other option ("when there's no cc box") applies mostly to the API and other off-site interfaces, such as email (mail and IM. For any given post, only one setting applies. - Paul Buchheit
I publish to Twitter by default but now link directly to the source. I figure that those finding outside of FF want to go to the source (while those reading on FF are already seeing the discussion). - Mike Reynolds
Hi Paul, about 15 mins ago I "shared" an item from FF here to "my feed" and "cc Twitter". But still not showing up on Twitter. Just thought I'd let you know. - Brian
Thanks Brian. It turns out there was a bug in the "Share" feature that sometimes caused us to sometimes not send the tweets (the new code errors on the side of not sending tweets). It's fixed now though. Please let me know if you spot any others. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, that did the trick! Thanks for looking into that. BTW, that was a quick fix! Just shared an item on FF and it pushed thru to Twitter instantly. - Brian
Hello Paul, when I try to publish just my google talk status to twitter and have "Link to source site instead of FriendFeed conversation" selected, it doesn't send the tweet. I'm not sure if this is because twitter seems to be having difficulty right now or if it's the lack of a source link because it's a google talk status? - ehaab
ehaab, publishing to Twitter was broken this morning, so no updates went out. It should work fine now however, including publishing updates from Google Talk. Sorry about that. - Paul Buchheit
thanks! it was driving me batty trying to figure out why it wasn't taking. - ehaab
I think it's still broken. I just posted via the Bookmarklet and CC'd twitter... no go. EDIT: my latest one just posted, must be intermittent. - Daniel Sims
Hi Paul, Mine is still not working. I have also checked the setting page. - zahedzadeh
*snort* - That's So CAJ!
FriendFeed News! - Eivind
Awesome! - AJ Batac
it is May 2012, 3 years passed, things are broken, Twitter makes what it promises, Friendfeed fix at top does... nothing. After oAuth decoupling and re-coupling again, fresh app access appears on Twitter control side but Friendfeed does not follow.. #PRKL - A. T.
Hi Paul, apparently there's no new certificate available for FF. Italian and Turkish users are panicking, this might be a sign that the end of FF is approaching. Can you reassure us? - mentegatto
this is the end of the world as we know it - thomas morton ☢
please, PAUL, ANSWER OUR PRAYS - mentegatto
ma che cazzo che brutta fine - thomas morton ☢
god bless - Amang Berangas
nice - Zaki WOlf
Leo Laporte
OK @jason has convinced me. I've deleted my personal Facebook account. I will delete the rest tomorrow during TWiG…
I think that's a mistake - it means you can't talk reliably about Facebook from here on out without bias. - Jesse Stay
BTW, half of what Jason said was inaccurate - he even called Facebook's platform Facebook Connect, which is no longer in existence. I got a sense that Jason didn't fully understand Facebook from his latest post. - Jesse Stay
The hammer has dropped! - Micah
this may get interesting - MiniMage
Jesse, your first comment is incorrect. Removing his account from Facebook is no more an indication of bias than having an account would be. - Louis Gray
++Louis. - Micah
Louis, how can you criticize or advise people about Facebook if you don't have a Facebook account? - Jesse Stay
WOW "the" Leo Laporte has promised to delete his Facebook account tomorrow on TWiG ~ fuuuuuck me - sofarsoShawn from iPhone
I'm on the fence, and leaning towards your decision. - Fleagle
What's sad about this is that so many people will do it just because Leo did it, without thinking of why they did it. I respect you a lot Leo, but the ramifications of this are very big. - Jesse Stay
Link to case made by @jason ? - Thomas Page
I'd point out everything wrong in Jason's post but I don't think the right people are really listening. Those with the real influence aren't reading those posts. - Jesse Stay
Well then write a blog post about it. - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
Jimminy, I'm not sure the people that I'm trying to influence would even read it, or care. I know Jason C. won't read it - Jesse Stay
Who are you trying to influence? - Louis Gray
Louis, I already mentioned one name - I'm trying to influence those that deleted their Facebook accounts, and particularly those that share Jason's viewpoint. - Jesse Stay
Leo would read it, Jesse. - Ken Sheppardson
Leo donated $100 to the Diaspora project, an open FB alternative. You can too. - Louis Gray
Well, to start, I hope Leo read these 3 articles:,, and - I'll see about writing a response to Calacanis. I don't like taking bait. - Jesse Stay
Re. "Louis, how can you criticize or advise people..." Jesse, does an automotive critic have to own every vehicle they review? No. Perhaps knowledge, wisdom and sound advice that proceeds from it is not always predicated on 'owning' an asset. - Micah
Micah, they have to use them to critique - I will take the advice of an owner over a critic, any day though. - Jesse Stay
Owners-to-be say they value fuel economy, then buy based on how many cup holders it has. - Micah
Jesse, would you take advice from a former owner? - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
Jimminy, if new features had been added since to improve the service, no - that's what will happen with Facebook - Jesse Stay
Here's my article - feel free to tip @techmeme if you want others to see it: - Jesse Stay
Ok, but has anything changed, since Leo deleted his account? - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
I'm done arguing about this - I'm hoping that's my last post trying to defend all this. I think all the reactions we're seeing by high profiles are ridiculous, and unfair. It makes no sense to me. As one who really respects him, I really think Leo is making a mistake here - I wish he'd reconsider. - Jesse Stay
I have an idea: Why don't we all take a step back and realize that all we're talking about here is a Facebook account. Something that hardly competes with water for sustainability of life. - Fleagle
Their reactions are ridiculous in your opinion - and that's fine. I personally hope he *doesn't* reconsider - it'll take high-profile folks bailing to see any really change in how carefully FB treats the information it has on subscribers. - Thomas
Quit that, Fleagle - we all know that it's Twitter that competes with water for sustaining life... - Thomas
I doubt Thomas even read my article (and hence my point above in why I should write it) - Jesse Stay
Wait, let me correct that: we all know that it's FriendFeed that competes with water for sustaining life... - Thomas
I did read it, and don't agree with you. Shocking that you don't have 100% of us in your court... - Thomas
Thomas, I'd appreciate more constructive comments - what don't you agree with and why? - Jesse Stay
For one, I don't agree with your privacy debate issue. Majority of FB users only seem to debate policy changes when UI is involved. The small number of folks who *do* complain often seem to be swimming against the tide simply because they're the only ones who care about the topic. It's also funny that the standard refrain I used to hear when complaining about FB was "well, you can always delete the account", and now that people *are* deleting the account I'm hearing "wait, why are you going?" - Thomas
Thomas, so you're admitting you're in the minority? - Jesse Stay
Of 400+ million users? Yes. The tech community percentage is probably higher... - Thomas
The rest don't know what the privacy ramifications are to them - yet... - Thomas
Thomas, okay, then we are in agreement - Jesse Stay
When ever the big names fight about social media, I really get a chuckle on. Think of the aviation industry. The Wright Brothers did it way back in December 17, 1903. It's now over 100 years and we are still gasping at the massive A330 etc. They talk like RIGHT NOW is where it's at. This is the most important thing in the history of all man-kind... Please, social media is 10 years old.... more... - Johnny
That the tech community knows the true problems with Facebook? - Thomas
Thomas, no, that you're in the minority - Jesse Stay
Yes. We're in the minority of 400+ million users in that we realize where the FB privacy changes are leading. That more and more of our info that was once considered private in FB is being sold to corporate partners. That FB is no longer a place to frequent. Yes, we're in that minority... - Thomas
I'm done arguing, fun as this is. - Thomas
Thomas, me too, but I keep saying that :-) - Jesse Stay
lol - Thomas
Let's agree to disagree, then :) - Thomas
I agree with you decision, Leo. However, I keep a dummy one for professional reasons.Just to know whats going on there. - Jorge Ortiz
Go Fleagle! That is the best comment yet! - Skyler Call from fftogo
@leolaporte come to Friendfeed again. much more dynamic than Buzz - Courtney Engle
+1 Thomas for holding up the fort against Jesse's Kool-Aid, he really is YOUR and others' continuing to use Facebook... Which is just a little creepy in itself, given that he develops for the platform. The whole Facebook thing has gotten a little creepy, from Paul's post/thread a few days ago on down. - Alex Schleber
Fleagle, as far as Zuck is concerned, he seems hell-bent on making FB something that comes very close to "compet[ing] with water for sustainability of life" :) Good one though. +1. - Alex Schleber
So Jesse's "Thomas, so you're admitting you're in the minority?" is really freaking me out. As if that has anything to do with anything. I am very tempted to bring in my reference from last week :) PLEASE, Jesse, agree with me once and for all that neither the number of people, or the impressiveness or powerfulness of of anything that Facebook ships or does, has ANYTHING to do with this debate. - Alex Schleber
...You've already called me and others paranoid (thank you for that), and now you're continuing along this line of "all other FB users are happy, or won't leave, or something..." implying that we must be...well...crazy. Please keep in mind that it was Facebook that has been called the "Walled Garden" (up to now) are the crazies on the inside or on the outside :) I VOTE MINORITY REPORT! - Alex Schleber
OK, Jesse, I just read the 1st quarter of your post, and already you're getting into this ridiculous claim that Zuck was called a Nazi, or that you were called names. Neither of which are true. I've made my case for what I said before, and won't repeat it here. The fact is, the only ad hominem that I can see so far has come FROM YOU, calling us paranoid, which, as I said before is a... more... - Alex Schleber
BTW, I agree on your take that calling Zuck Asperger's is offensive and wrong, and I've tweeted Jason about this, not sure if he'll see it of course. In fact, if anything Zuck is showing more from the Anti-Social PD spectrum (as in not minding if others get hurt), which is NOT to be confused with not having social skills. - Alex Schleber
Finished Jesse's post, looks like we'll never agree, which is fine. +1 for Manielse's response on it: "To this 'so-called expert', Facebook crossed unnecessary boundaries." EXACTLY, much of this is in fact quite needless, they already internally had nearly everything on you they ever really needed to target ads against. OK, maybe add a few more "Likes". - Alex Schleber
People still shop at Walmart... - Johnny
Alex, I'm done arguing, and I wasn't going to name names, but specifically, it was in Paul's post, and it was you who said, "Chris/Darren, just because "they did it in a VERY impressive and powerful way" doesn't mean we all have to like it. The same could be said e.g. for the Nazi's taking over Germany. - Alex Schleber": - Jesse Stay
BTW, Jesse, I think you'll excuse us if we'd still like to be experts on our own privacy. Just because you code for them or have worked with devs who do, doesn't mean you (or they) have any additional authority over what is essentially an issue of the "body politic". - Alex Schleber
Alex, you are welcome to do as you please. You can be an expert on whatever you like. - Jesse Stay
Jesse hasn't answered the question from Blu T above about his vesting schedule. - Mr. Gunn
I blocked Blu the other day (along with 2 other of Cristo's profiles) so I can't see what he says - Cristo has been a troll for quite awhile here. I like the real Chris White, but not sure I like the personas he plays on FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay
Our data and the contributions made to Wikipedia which are also being raped with our privacy are in the continued gift of audiences/ users. Facebook's only asset is the inconvenience of migrating to alternative places to communicate, which Google will inevitably now improve. I believe Facebook's strategy is flawed in it's attempt to monetize an ad model rather than accept it has merely... more... - Jan Simmonds
i also deleted my facebook leo - Richard Thomson
Jesse, thanks for bringing my original quote out, because anyone who can read and parse a sentence can tell that I was IN NO WAY calling Zuckerberg a Nazi. You can hear what you want from it, but that's not going to change the fact that it was directed toward the "very impressive and powerful" phrase. See, the problem is that you and others worshiping at Zuck's feet are somehow awestruck by the 400-500M users thing, while I just don't care. Mass appeal, etc. is never an argument for anything. - Alex Schleber
Me, I'm just waiting for the shark to come out so that Facebook can jump it... - Dennis Jernberg
If FB really gave a hoot and had the stones to put it to a straight per user "vote" on their next login, here's how: 1) I want everything to be completely private, no one but my friends sees nothing. 2) I want everything to be completely open. 3) I want to muddle through with the detailed settings somewhere in the middle,which will be my responsibiliy. --- And then arrange people's... more... - Alex Schleber
Didn't they do that in November? I remember being prompted about my settings - Johnny
You guys still going at it? <bangs head on wall> - Chris Myles
There is irony in criticizing Facebook on FriendFeed, and advocating Leo switch to FriendFeed, when FriendFeed is a wholly owned Facebook property, and was designed by some of the people who are making the critical decisions about Facebook's current direction :) Since I've always found Facebook and Zuckerberg creepy I do delight in their current turmoil. Zuckerberg does have the all the vibes of a reincarnation of Bill Gates. Its unfortunate Paul and Brett ended up there, too much inertia there. - Ed Millard
+1 LogEx. Ed, I agree on both counts. To think what great stuff Paul & Brett could have created unencumbered by Zuck's unwieldy platform and dubious ambitions. - Alex Schleber
Paul or Brett could probably do many of the same things they are doing at FB now on FF and everyone would appreciate the cool parts and there would have been less privacy backlash. I always thought Facebook should have turned FF in to their laboratory, linked it to Facebook but made it the place where they did all their bleeding edge stuff and that would have saved them the misery of trying to turn a barge with 400 million people on it who want to go straight. Too much antipathy to Zuckerberg and FB. - Ed Millard
Did FB actually update THEIR privacy policy when they made all the recent changes or did they just do them?? :) - Ed Millard
Its still ironic, I wager if FB hadn't bought FriendFeed Paul and Brett might have done all the same things on FF they are doing at FB that has everyone so upset. Would everyone here have been as upset as people on FB are, since FF was pretty public from the get go? - Ed Millard
if FF followed suit with FB's current course, i would drop this place like a hot rock. - Big Joe Silenced
I sure wish I knew how much of the recent changes are Paul and Brett doing the next logical evolution of social networks, and how much is Zuckerberg trying to wring more revenue out of FB. One thing about Zuckerberg is he's gotten where he is and stayed solvent by doing what he thought he had to do to wring enough revenue out of FB to stay afloat, some of which were creepy but he also didn't end up as another broke dot com with no revenue. - Ed Millard
The stuff they are doing to Zynga feels like pure Zuckerberg squeezing revenue to keep his valuation up. - Ed Millard
Leo, try "Lockdown or Death for your FaceBook Profile: An Advanced User Guide to Social Networking Privacy" [Jason Perlow, ZD Net - 5/5/10] If you’re sick and tired of FaceBook’s continual encroachment on your privacy, here’s how to lock it down like a SuperMax prison or give it the Death Penalty. -- This is a VERY LONG method. Kind of cute (Using Facebook fan pages for main contacts & LinkedIn for business contacts). Keep in mind the author previously had his Facebook account hacked. - Mitchell Tsai
You mean the same Zynga that basically copied the idea for Farmville from FarmTown and admitted basically to ripping people off What a strange hero to defend... - Johnny
Don't think I actually defended Zynga Johnny. I was just observing that part of this saga felt like Zuck doing whatever it take to keep his revenue stream going. That is his one defining executive skill. I'll admit I have a soft spot in my heart for Brian Reynolds who is a lead designer at Zynga now I think, only because he designed Alpha Centauri which was the best version of Civilization ever. He does have some talent... Never actually played a Zynga game on Facebook. - Ed Millard
BTW, Jesse can now add this great read to his list of "insults": What Facebook and BP have in common - - Alex Schleber
One thing it's important to note comparing Google to Facebook in all this is Google has a river of money from search which funds most of their other endeavors and allows Google to stay on their moral high ground in social. Zuckerberg has had to wring money out of Facebook to stay alive and that has no doubt led to many of the dubious ethical decisions. - Ed Millard
Chris Myles, Alex is - I'm done arguing. I'm not sure how, but I think I've offended him somehow. Other than quoting him in response above, I'm not sure I've ever targeted Alex specifically. It's really killing my desire to be part of the conversation though. - Jesse Stay
...ah yes, the backlash... - .LAG liked that
Eh, @Ed, maybe read those pre-release chapters of "Inside Facebook" about the "Temptation of St. Zuckerberg"..the guy has had money waved in his face from 6 months on. Microsoft got their foot in the door with serious $ (which is a bit scary in the background of all of this), so cry me a river about his start-up woes. He could have cashed out long, long ago, but persists maniacally because apparently he's afraid that he'll "never steal...I mean...HAVE an idea this great ever again." - Alex Schleber
Ed, BTW completely agree on your Friendfeed as test-bed after the buy-out point. - Alex Schleber
Alex, not sure anyone outside of him knows his motivation for sticking with it. Different founders have different goals. Some just want to cash out at the first opportunity, others believe in their companies and stick with them for decades. Call me old fashioned but I thought it used to be a positive when people built companies to last and stuck with them. In my book a puppy dies every time a founder sells out for a quick buck to someone who promptly kills their company. - Ed Millard
.... like FriendFeed.... If Micosoft had bought out FB it would have been dead in a year and Zuck knows that. Microsoft is anticool and would have been a reverse viral influence on FB, kind of like News Corp was to Myspace. - Ed Millard
They do use FriendFeed as a testbed. They have been using it for Next Gen OAUTH - Johnny
That OAuth stuff is arcane internals tech. I was talking more like they should have rolled out all their recent new features on FriendFeed first and the backlash would have been limited instead of life threatening to FB as now appears to be the case. If it worked for the smaller audience on FF, and after fixing the worst of the complaints, then they could have rolled it out to all FB. FF could have become the bleeding edge face of FB and a spiritual home for early adopters, - Ed Millard
The stuff FB is doing with Pandora among other things does have awesome potential they should have just taken it slower and got more feedback from the Louis Gray's and Leo's of the world before inflicting it on grandma and the other 400 million people most of whom aren't early adopters. - Ed Millard
Loic Le Meur
my 14 years old son went from huge fan to furious against Facebook because they turned many items in his private profile wall public
Leaders are not beaten. They destroy themselves. The Facebook implosion is in full swing. Just like the Euro in mainland Europe. Demise takes many years even decades #ecademy - Thomas Power
Thirty Day Challenge
Aysu Gündüz (ART Niyetli)
Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sleep is for humans. So anyone who isn't a human, please feel free to not sleep all you want.
OK, yeah so lots of other animals sleep too. much for well thought out thread starters. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
:D - Eivind
Do Cylons sleep? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
Sleep is sissies who can't man up and handle hallucinationa and nausea and stuff ;) - WarLord
and death! - MiniMage
Alex is asleep again - Louis Gray
Louis, how do you know, you're sleeping right now. *waves hand* - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
I thought RScoble didn't sleep... - MiniMage
My brother is a freak of nature. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex is asleep again. - Louis Gray
Not yet. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Bot! - Louis Gray
Of course. Any more unnecessary statements while you're at it? - Mo Kargas
Robots are the slaves of humanity! - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Woohoo! - Lo
What? Alex is a cyborg?? - imabonehead
Heh, I wish, imabonehead...maybe then I wouldn't have to sleep. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
serkeş panda
The Italian magazine WIRED asked us to draw a map based on the scenarios developed by the Institute for the Future in Palo Alto to help the reader in the net of ideas and hypothesis built by 7000 influencers from all over the world. “The goal of the project is to engage a broad public in considering the dilemmas we face in our current, everyday lives and think together about resolutions that go beyond the familiar ways of dealing with problems” - Jane Mc Gonigal, Superstruct game designe - Amira from Bookmarklet
Isha (Marysia)
Google now giving away free websites to business-owners in the UK. And could be good for Web 2 linking?
Google now giving away free websites to business-owners in the UK.  And could be good for Web 2 linking?
How to Master the Video Games -
Awesome, I need that book! - Fee501st
OMG. I had that book when I was 10 years old. Took it with me everywhere. - Fleagle
Fleagle: Seriously? Cool! I had one about pac-man! - Fee501st
I remember this one well. This was right after Pac Man became super popular. IT even had instructions on how to beat Puck Man, which was pretty much the same game, so I never understood that. - Fleagle
Cool :) - Fee501st
...and just to show my dedication, I also bought this: "Oh Oh, can't run can't run away..." - Fleagle
^ my brother had that! - Fee501st
Louis Gray
I was disappointed to learn that these were not actual pastries.
Posted via Google WiFi. :) #neverleaving - Louis Gray
WIN - Josh Haley
A whole dollar? Maybe I can make that happen. Right now they have colds and mild fevers though, so I'll wait. - Louis Gray
The twins are ill? :( hope they are better soon! - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
bite!! :P - Susan Beebe
Kol Tregaskes
"The Facebook Newsfeed: so much juicy information, so little access to it. Last week we wrote about a new Facebook app that turned your newsfeed into an RSS feed you could subscribe to outside of Facebook. It was really useful and now it's gone." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
Well that didn't last long, did it. - Kol Tregaskes
and people expect privacy on the internet? - TrafficBug
me new @ friendfeed and couldn't import my facebook thingy into ff... is these related? (seems so) - Serhat Öztürk
Any updates to this? - beersage
Not that I know of. - Kol Tregaskes
friendfeedFilterByService - just released (greasemonkey script) - Shows only FriendFeed feed entries based on user chosen service types via either an inclusion (services to show) or exclusion (services to hide) list.
In this initial release, selecting the services to filter is set by installing the script, then opening it to update the "Configuration" variables (near the top of the script, it's clearly marked). A future version will have a better interface than this. By default (it's meant to be changed right away by each user) the configuration is set to: filterMethod = "HIDE" and servicesToHideArr = ["Twitter", "Some other service"]. A side effect of running the script is (whether on your home feed or or any realtime view) as new entries come into view, there is less of a smooth transition: entries more so just pop into place; the page also wiggles up and down in a more pronounced manner. Steps have been taken in the script to reduce the vertical movement, however. If you find any more caveats, let me know, and enjoy! - Micah
This script is dedicated to tonight's FFundercats podcast event - Micah
What's the killer app / a usage example for this? Sorry, I am slow. - Josh Haley
If you want to see all Twitter, all the time on the public feed (and nothing else): You've got TwitterVision. Of course others will take Twitter out and want to see everything else :) - Micah
trying now - Josh Haley
I'll be back on FF around 8:30pm MST to answer any questions. —See ya— - Micah
pretty cool. Using SHOW tumblr then SHOW bookmarklet. If there aren't any entries that normally would have been on your front page, then the page is blank. crank up the ?num=100 and then you have a better chance at seeing the entries. Way to go, Micah! - Josh Haley
I like it. But the "SHOW"option conflicts with the Cleaner FriendFeed script when you have a lot of services in there. - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Works fine now with Cleaner FriendFeed for widescreen script. - Willem (@wim66) ☠
So does this get applied across the entire site? I want to hide all of Twitter in, for example, but not in any of my lists. There I've got it hidden natively s.t. I only see tweets with Likes/comments. - Ken Sheppardson
Oh, wait... I can just set it up to work on in the GM script management screen... duh... - Ken Sheppardson
OK, this is officially slick. Thanks, Micah! Feature request: I wish I could just have it strip away or hide everything other than div#feed, I'd configure it to only apply to, and I'd just stick it in it's own window (or the sidebar) as a little real-time FriendFeed ticker. - Ken Sheppardson
version 0.112 released! - Embed styles added for a compact layout when using ?embed=1 querystring. Ken, start the ticker tape parade =) - Micah
So, it auto-activates with any URL with the ?embed=1 tacked on (e.g. ) - Micah
Updated to v0.266 - Fixed non-appearance of "Entry hidden - undo or hide other items like this one." option after hiding a post. - Micah
ah, I just realized I've had my greasemonkey scripts turned off for awhile now - maybe I'll turn back on and check this out. thx! - Laura Norvig
No problem, Laura :) Ping me with any questions. - Micah
Marshall Kirkpatrick
The Man Who Made Gmail Says Real-Time Conversation is What's Next (The Future of FriendFeed)
"Paul Buchheit built the first version of Gmail in one day. Then he built the first prototype of Google's contextual advertising service Adsense, in one day as well." - so he practically invented whole Google. What are all these other engineers doing?? ;) - Meryn Stol
FriendFeed seems to be taking more than a day, what gives? - Daniel J. Pritchett
fantastic write up Marshall - Jamie
Thanks for the link to Pretzel Logic, Marshall. Ironically, I was at a lunch meeting about the time you published this and we were talking about other use cases for a FriendFeed-esq platform in the enterprise. There's so many more places where this makes sense in the business world. I'll do a follow up in a few weeks. - Sameer from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Sameer, cool. :) - Meryn Stol
Loved this article, Marshall. FYI the link to is 404, MIA. - Pat from FriendFeed MT Plugin
thanks Pat! fixed that link, was missing a letter - Marshall Kirkpatrick
I can see in the future, an open wire VOiP link that everyone can share, there will be SIG channels that groups can side track too, and then go back to the main channel & listen. You would invite like Twitter or Friend Feed (maybe Google) to control the channels. We used this type of intercom system with NASA where we all could talk to each other at the same time for downrange... more... - HamRadioActive
This was the article that convinced me to join Friendfeed. The way Friendfeed documents a conversation is very compelling. - JR Holmes
I think this whole real time conversation around a social object concept is very powerful. Social Objects anchor the conversation in shared context between participants. - Zaki Manian
Man, 1 in 4 comments on that article are yahoos smugly asserting that FF is an IRC clone and that Marshall/Paul are lying or dumb to think otherwise. Why are blog readers so quick to judge? - Daniel J. Pritchett
The first comment says it all. What's described here sounds much too noisy to be efficient or even fun. - Tal Shafik from FriendFeed MT Plugin
+1 Daniel. - Sameer
I agree. I am a fan of Friendfeed. Much better than Twitter. - ramiromarques
The real-time conversation facet of FriendFeed is now only emphasize with the appearance of Google Wave. I hope FriendFeed will figure out its place in the emerging space. Would FriendFeed Wave extensions (Wave gadgets and robots) be sufficient to stay in the game? Is FriendFeed experimenting with Wave APIs? I hope it is. - Nenad Nikolic from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Dave Winer
Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:14 PM -
it's cool that a lot of this show is happening through Friendfeed - Matthew
I agree with you totally, get on the show and argue your corner! - Chris Lloyd
This is Friend-FEED we're all using - paul mooney
"They don't let me talk in their little podcast thing[...] " I'm sure Leo would love to have you on the show. I wish you'll take the time to use your Right of reply in his show (he is a journalist after all) - TunisianGuy
Unrelated Question: How do you attach a mp3 file in freindfeed like Dave did? - Kevin Murray
@Kevin... I suspect it's a media enclosure in a feed... IOW, RSS ...( not unrelated and goes to Dave's Point) - Sean Reiser
Kevin: The easiest way I've found is this -Easier for me than figuringout how to make my blog do MediaRSS - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Dave: Leo and Steve did say that you'd be welcome on the show. It would be good to have you on. There were kind words after part of this was played on the air today. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thank you for the info! - Kevin Murray
guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I still think Kol should work for FriendFeed. That is all :-)
He doesn't? j/k =) - Micah
Actually, I think Kol basically DOES work for FriendFeed. I think perhaps he should be paid ;-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yup, agree! - Edward Zwart
Agree totally :) - Roberto Bonini
Gosh, thanks!! :-D I'd *love* to work for FriendFeed, I'm not shying away from that, but alas I don't and I can't see where I'd fit in? I can test, I can support, might be able to do some sort of community manager role (though feel the likes of Tina might be more appropriate for that - I'm sure Tina will kill me for saying that ;-)) but I'm sure they have the covered? But I am out of work!... - Kol Tregaskes
What is this - stackoverflow for HR? - John Craft
Unfortunately a new job will mean no FF any more. It's rare to get a home based role but I was amazingly lucky that my last one (at least for 6 months or so) was home-based and had some slack time. So it allowed me to play around with FF. But that was a very, very lucky, it won't happen again I'm pretty sure. - Kol Tregaskes
But if I can and have the time I'm happy to help out here, I love doing the 'tech support' in the Feedback group for one thing. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol: The above is precisely what I think you should be paid for. I know you love doing it, and would do it for free, but if/when you find other work your presence and attention to the subject would be missed. Thus I think you should be paid for your efforts. (positivity man; visualize whirled peas!) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And I did think Kol did work for FF for the longest time, BTW. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I do love doing it, hehe. I'm not expert, though, I'm not a dev. I'm more an odd-jobs man, can do a bit of everything but don't really specialise in any one thing. I love the community here too, the people on here are lovely. It's the first (and only) online community I've even contributed to let alone dived in like I have. Hehe. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
If I was paid I'd do a far better job though. :-) It might also be a good idea too as it would mean I'd have to slow down on what I share and concentrate on replying to posts here and everything on FF - I know I share a LOT! I've recently got a "help"saved search created. I've not really used it yet but tweaked it today and have found all these posts from people (mainly on their own feeds and not on any of the feedback or other groups) that are asking for help. So I'm gonna start tracking those too. - Kol Tregaskes
You're doing great work Kol! - Martin Bryant
Should I commence to killing you now Kol, or would you prefer I wait? ;-) - FFing Enigma
Oh, I created a list of my favourite suggestions (from me and others) and any bugs I've found. It needs updating but I am editing the lists and adding to them all the time. Everyone is free to comment on them here: I've tried to add links to the original posts where I can too. They're all quite long lists... more... - Kol Tregaskes
Thank you Abby, Martin! Hehe, yes Helen I do. Tina, better get over and done with now, LOL! It's been nice knowing you FF. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Flippity, yes subbed to that. I've got a few jobs to apply for from today's searches too so gonna get those done first thing Monday morning. Fingers crossed I can get something soon. - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks, Flippity. Things are slowly picking up in the job market but nothing like what it was last year when I was searching. - Kol Tregaskes
I suppose some to-the-point questions are are we getting enough support from the FF devs in groups such as the Feedback group, should they be replying to every support post or should us, the users, be helping out, do you think there are too many groups for support (like my beginners group, is that really needed, for example?) and do you prefer support queries from users over devs or vice versa? - Kol Tregaskes
I'm sure the FF devs are very busy and rely on the users helping out as much as we can. I try and reply to any unanswered queries but there are a few that need some help from the devs that seem to go astray. What does everyone think? - Kol Tregaskes
He IS the community manager :) - Roberto Bonini
BTW, I post these types of questions for not only to get responses from the FF community and get them involved but (hopefully) they also help out the FF devs? - Kol Tregaskes
Kol: I prefer that al of the above happen. A) FF have online support personell ( keeping a handle on things, and escalating issues to devs. B) Devs available when they can be, and during big rollouts (as they were when the beta went into production) and C) users need to help themselves out too.-which brings us back to the guy in A who's keeping any eye on it all and escalating users' ideas to the devs. etc etc. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Roberto: My point exactly ;-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hehe, thanks Roberto, Jorge. I used to be an office manager for the Bitmap Brothers, they described it by saying it was like picking up all the toys after the children threw them out of the pram, LOL. I really liked that role though as it included creating and maintaining their site, tech support, testing, network admin, some accounting - not just office admin. It was pretty varied and kept me busy. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Rob, someone to be a kinda first-line support type person. - Kol Tregaskes
Well not for long, I need a paid job and fast, hehe. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, we had a name for that positional one place I worked: Director of Interstitial Affairs. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, that's a slightly unusual name, LOL. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
an interstice is the space in between things - the crack - The Department of Interstitial Affairs takes care of all the things that slip between the cracks ;-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
OK. Can I express now that I definitely do not want to be called that. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
When I worked in the games industry (yes another story, sorry) they created a new role which the US side already had. It was for mastering games CD, carts, etc. They called it Code Librarian! Well I got ripped apart by the testers (one in particular) and it changed to Conan the Barbarian. All a great laugh, even for me. But thankfully it was changed to Code Supervisor. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Well I've posted a question here: - Kol Tregaskes
Although I once said that Kol deserved that T-shirt, I came to realise at a certain moment that he deserved a bigger gift from those guys. Maybe a bigger T-shirt, some people might say, but at least a T-shirt with a text like: "They wanted to give me their jobs, but I couldn't get my eyes of those wonderful FriendFeed-feeds." If that all is gonna fit on a shirt.... - Ton Zijp
Ton, I was very happy with a t-shirt. It was free and sent all the way from America! I don't receive many gifts but I'm always very appreciative of free presents, help and guidance. This reminds me, I need to sort out a photo of it, it was received a few days ago but my dog covered it with mud almost as soon as I pulled it out of the parcel, hehe. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Ton: Maybe the T-shirt will need one of those new "more" links ;-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hehe, Rob! :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Life-support off back to natural support, what happened to FriendFeed last night? Data centre down? :-( - Kol Tregaskes
yep Bret & Paul said lost power. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
:-( It was bed time anyway for me. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Bump. I would like more people to like this ;-) Perhaps Paul Buchheit or Bret Taylor will notice ;-) (I presume that they do searches on their own names - but maybe not as much as Robert Scoble heh) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hehe, Rob, easy there tiger. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
lol it worked. a bunch more liked it ;-) (and you never know how often or when someone does checks on mentions of their names heh. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Is this thread still going? It didn't work btw, Rob. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
++ Kol, you need a job anyway, right? Transcontinental Telecommunting support, FTW!!! - Helen Sventitsky is so right, that is a great recommendation for the job, the application thread, I also recommend Kol for the obviously powerful work he accomplished through the creation of echoing feedbacks and a helping userbase, ideas and concepts (tags) overlaying all of featuring the services'... more... - Zu from AOD
(Doh! Forgot about the other non-ff-tutorial posts. Always good topics! ) - Zu from AOD
I try my best. Thanks for the comments. I don't think FF are listening though. :-( But yes I need a job. - Kol Tregaskes
This thread is still going. And I still think you'd be perfect. (haven't seen so much of you lately, I must need to thin out a list! -you're back on top at ffholic) :-) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Have you sent in a resume, and made your availability clear? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nope. - Kol Tregaskes
I've been working on finding a paid job and hopefully I've found something (basically the role I was doing a few months ago in a good location near where I want to live). So not been on here much. - Kol Tregaskes
Well I've written to FriendFeed with my CV. I see no harm in trying. :-) In regards to other work, I've not found one job to apply to since Friday, really quiet atm! :-( - Kol Tregaskes
Sorry if there is already a way to do this, but I'd like to be able see nicks by default, not real names. I know most of my contacts by nick, so seeing their real names is a bit mystifying and disorienting.
Alright, I'm not one to wait around. I coded it myself. Here is a script which will work under both Opera and GreaseMonkey (Firefox). Let me know what you think. - Pistos
I have a private group for work stuff. Does the RSS feed for that group not work outside of FriendFeed? I tried to subscribe with Google Reader and it just gave a "your search did not match any feeds" error.
Reid, so the group only had a RSS feed in it? Yep doesn't work for me either. I've also switched it to public and is still doesn't work. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
If it's private, then the RSS will (should be) private. You might want to change the group settings so that it's public but only you can post to it. - FFing Enigma
Tina, like I say I have a public group with RSS feeds only and GReader still doesn't pick it up. But I've posted a test native FF post and now it does find it. - Kol Tregaskes
The group we have is for internal work communications, so I'd rather it not be public. It makes sense that the RSS feed for a private group would also be private, but I also wonder what the point is of providing an RSS feed for a private group if you can't use it anywhere. - Reid
Reid, is is just RSS imports? Are do you post native FF posts too? - Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader might be having trouble as it doesn't handle protected RSS feeds. I'm not sure if that covers the FF RSS feeds, though. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, if I had to guess I would say the RSS items from when the feed was private wouldn't show up, but items added after the room was made public would. - FFing Enigma
Tina, the feed worked only after posting a native FF post. Before that when it was private or even public I got nothing. And I've now set it to private + deleted the FF post and the feed still works in Google Reader. Hmmm... - Kol Tregaskes
Kol, the group is entirely native FF posts. Nothing imported. - Reid
Reid, has it ever been set to public temporarily? - Kol Tregaskes
No, it's always been private from the time of creation. - Reid
btw, I just gave it a try in Bloglines as well and got a "no feeds were found" error there, too. - Reid
Very odd. Not sure what to suggest. Can anyone help please? - Kol Tregaskes
I would suggest making the group public, posting a new item, grabbing the RSS and then making the group private again. From what Kol tried earlier, it sounds as though that might work... - FFing Enigma
I'm having the same problem with a private group. I experimented: I started a new public group, posted an entry and successfully subscribed to the feed using Greader. I then made the group private, and it broke the subscription in Greader, in fact, it became unsubscribed. I then made the group public again, but it remained broken as far as Greader was concerned. Any ideas? - Brad Kligerman
I stumbled upon this problem because I wanted to take a FF RSS feed from a group or search and route it into another group ie: embed a sub-group into a parent group to create a hierarchy of groups. Logically, I think this should work and could greatly benefit collaborative projects. - Brad Kligerman
Bwana ☠
If you watch 100 times you will still laugh -
If you watch 100 times you will still laugh
What we did not know was there was an invisible man in the room that sucker punched all of them:) I need to get the invisible cloak model number myself:) - Roney Smith
Things like this make me certain that Bwana and I would be really good friends in real life. - Mike Nayyar
This is good! - Edwin Khodabakchian
Finally, truth in advertising! - Mike Lewis
ROFLMAO The nunchuks guy just did me in. - Anika
"you guys are gonna like this one.....thump!" epic lol - robby
Still friggin' hilarious. - Anika
that is hi-larious!!! - (jeff)isageek
Hahahahaha Hilarious - AJ Batac
What kinda wood is this?!! EDIT: Haggis, Right! - Valley
American Idol goes Kung Fu?! - Valley
Afro-Ninja gets me every time. - Louis P.
I'm sorry. But, I laughed lots at these people. :( - Yolanda
hahahah..oh.. :( - Bwana ☠
dammit... why am I watching it again? And laughing harder? - Yolanda
Isha (Marysia)
It would be nice if we could have a way of knowing when someone liked a post. For example, if we could hover over the smiley icon & see when the most recent "like" was, it'd be easier to find where to start reading/skimming each time we return to FF.
You could use a saved search for this (though, it wouldn't actually notify you) - Brett Kelly
I was thinking of something more immediate Brett (I've added an explanation to my original post). - Isha (Marysia)
I love the new way of posting into multiple rooms at once.
It's very cool, agree. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Not to be abused though. FF will have to do something about nuisance crossposting in the end, when addresses are longer than the post itself. - ianf ⌘
I'm pretty sick of it, truth be told. Wading through triple postings takes time. - Isha (Marysia)
Isha (Marysia)
I had a room Yoga 4 Backpain (previously called Yoga for Backpain), that had been going for 2 or 3 months and had feeds in it. It's completely disappeared. I'm the admin for it. Can you look into it please FriendFeed?
Marysia, if you're trying to reach us directly w/ an issue, using the bugs form is easier in the future ( Can you let us know any more details about the room... ie. what the URL was, whether it's private, other members, etc? Thanks! - Ana
Thanks for your response Ana. (I would have looked for a bugs form if I'd thought of it - sorry I didn't think of it). It was a private room and some time ago I sent you an invite to it, so the url should be available to you. I assume the url was: (if that was the style of the old rooms' urls). Prior to that it had been presumably... more... - Isha (Marysia)
Lol, the report-a-bug form is at the top of this group's page. Sorry Ana. But can you please look into it - thanks in advance. - Isha (Marysia)
Is there some way to subscribe to a saved search? I see the link on the right, but I'd like to have posts from the search show up in my main feed. Thanks for any help.
The only way I can think to do this would be to create a private group and add the RSS feed for the search to that group, and then subscribe to it, but I'm hoping there's an easier way. - Dave
cannot feed ff to ff. you'd have to go through twitter, for example...but searches are not live, at least not for now - pb:
Okay, thanks - Dave
you could get an RSS feed from FF and post that directly to a blog and get an RSS feed out of that and put that back into FF, right? - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and Petr is correct on both his points - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
"Petr's" comments not (no longer?) in this thread. [edit: I had accidentally blocked him] - ianf ⌘
comment number 2 - still there as I see them. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
You mean "Petr's"? No trace of him here. Don't remember banning anyone, nor does it seem possible to check it any other way - what is his accountname. - ianf ⌘
You don't see this??: "cannot feed ff to ff. you'd have to go through twitter, for example...but searches are not live, at least not for now - Petr Buben" - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
No, I could not, so I assumed he deleted the comment or comments in this thread for some reason. I've blocked a few posts, but not so far individuals. It turned out he was blocked, don't know how that happened. Thanks. - ianf ⌘
Thanks for your help. I am having a hard time figuring out some of the more advanced features on this site. There just doesn't seem to be much documentation so far. - Dave
Dave, you're not alone. We all stumble around pretty much in the dark. FF has this enraging quality - on the one hand it is deceptively simple, but on the other it is very hard to build an exact, detailed mental model of how all its elements are connected and why(not). - ianf ⌘
Aline Ohannessian
Por favor...let us comment via Friendfeed desktop without having to visit the site. Gracias.
Great idea! Increases the value of the desktop notifier. - Allan Besselink
Good idea - Kevin J Hatton
I've got to try Friendfeed desktop. - Morton Fox
Zee, yep please. - Kol Tregaskes
that and the title getting cut off are the two reasons I had to give up on it. - vijay
Paul Greer
Currently pondering ditching Reader altogether, because I never have time to go into it, and it never does what I want it to. Delicious will publish my comments on the twitterfeed as the body text but reader sharing does not do this. any comments? (via
Take a look at Feedly. It will put your Greader on steroids and you can get your feeds and share/bookmark on delicious and Facebook and FriendFeed and Twitter and... - Colossal Marketing™
thanks for tip! - Paul Greer
COOL: MobaTalk (beta launched) with simple twitter log You can: leave video, audio, twitter type 140 txt message, embed video & images & multiple id's will post updates to your twitter. Amped up conversation. Possible horizon adds: group creation with direct to group only messaging
I have been playing with Mobatalk since Alpha it's a pretty neat application with enormous potential. - Deano @ Byron New Media
Thanks everyone, it's nice to stumble upon comments like these. Now, how do I go about getting $40MM to really crank it up? Seems like a lot less capable things get more than that. - Michael Bailey
I would love to beeing able to promote a post to another group aka share a post incl. its comments (reference to original post)
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