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Leo Laporte

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September 6 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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35 Most Creative 404 Pages - Leo Laporte from Bookmarklet

Troubling the visitor for problems of your own - Nitin Nanivadekar

I like this one best :) - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Zee.

Darwin Poster: Very Gradual Change We Can Believe In - http://www.zee.me/blog...

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Leo Laporte

I left Twitter for Jaiku. Then Jaiku left me for Google. I moved in with Pownce but it died. I went back to Twitter, but flirted with Plurk, Identica, and Rejaw, and even tried doing it myself with Laconica but it was Twitter I really loved. Twitter finally broke my heart so I left it for Friendfeed. Now Friendfeed is leaving me for Facebook. No...

August 11 - Comment - Like - Share

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It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives - Jon, the Beartato of FF

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HAHAHAHAHA.... - David from IM

Haha. ROFL - Roberto Bonini

is friendfeed going anywhere or will it just get better? - Craig Shipp

I'm with you Leo. - Oracio

It reads better than Soap - my roadmap is very similar but I'll forgive FF and live happily ever after with it (for the time being, anyway) - Nicholas Paul Gordon from iPhone

You're the best Leo. Canadians are the funniest people. - Dan Lessard

I'm betting they'll slowly digest it into the Facebook news feed. They claim that Friendfeed is staying put for now, but that won't last. - Ken Bauer

And we keep following Leo all over the place! - Robert Scoble

Long live Leo - Randy Pollock

When will we all get in a long term relationship and stop getting our hearts broken? - Nate Pilling

so what is more important, the medium or the people, hope that FF will let us export our content, and our social netork :) (in my wild dreams) - abdellah

Need ice cream? I'm new to FF, and kind of sad I didn't jump on the proverbial wagon sooner! - Elizabeth K. Barone

I hope you leave your standard breadcrumbs so we can find you in the next chapter of social interaction. - jcunwired

Feels to me like maybe it's time to go back to building a distributed network, rather than hopping from service to service. - Ken Sheppardson

But where to next? That's the question. Wave sounds great, but the implementation will be a PAIN. So where? Oh LeoMoses...where is our path in the desert? - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Sounds like a hurtin' country song in the making. - Bill Rodman

The wave of the future is wave - Randy Pollock

Well you can't say that what is happening in the 'social sphere' is boring by any means! - Matt Cassem

I think Leo's audience is more likely to click "Like" or "comment" than Scoble's is. When Leo and Rob are both posting on FF, Leo gets more likes and comments - Mark

Didn't you leave a post earlier saying how funny it was that people complain anytime there's a change (referring to the FF buyout)? This sounds like a complaint to me. - Fleagle

Not complaining - just thinking about the future. I think a little Friendfeed DNA will vastly improve Facebook. And I think Facebook is already the big winner with the general populace. I also think we geeks need a corner somewhere else to hang out in. - Leo Laporte

And I have no plans to leave Friendfeed. Yet. - Leo Laporte

Yet being the operative word..... - Roberto Bonini

sounds like a country song to me - gavin

As for this geeky alternative, http://a.tinythread.com/ just showed up in my feed this morning. Thoughts? - Craig B.

I feel more of a personal connection with the FriendFeed team than I have with other services I've left, and that will be a big part of why I will stay as long as possible. - Louis Gray

^^^ replace "team" with "community" and there's my reason for sticking it out. - jcunwired

Its also going to take a very long time to go through content and bookmark/store it elsewhere. Evernote is going to be used heavily in the weeks to come. - jcunwired

The only way to have control is to use your own URL - Craig Shipp

Wait till you meet Facebook's randy cousin Overly Friendly Book =) - Cynthia Yildirim

what Louis gray said. I'm going to hang around until the lights go out. - Jordan Brock from BuddyFeed

What they said, I don't see any reason to leave FriendFeed unless something actually changes that makes the service worthless to me. - Craig B.

And many times you cheated Twitter, she was always loyal to you. Thats mean someting! - Jacque from f2p

yup me too Louis and I don't know any of them - Thomas Power

Plurk's not worth leaving anyone for. - Rachel R.

Leo, I think you need to change your FaceFeed status to "It's Complicated" ;) - Daynah

Play this thread off, keyboard cat. - Fleagle

You have to go back to your blog. It still loves you Leo. - Dave Winer

Screw you, Friendfeed! - Andrew Leahey

Users today are investors too - only the 'exit' for us is not lucrative.... its the other way sometimes :) - Mrinal Desai

I just had the idea: wow, how good will Faceboook become though this input? (JUST imagine tagging ppl in FB the way U can Tag them in FF.) - oliver gassner

Love Stinks. - shelter watch

I'm quite surprised that you could keep track of all that! - Robert Alex

Leo Laporte listed his relationship as: "its complicated." - Randy Shapiro

Damn thats complicated - drmacintosh

Don't worry Leo, its not you, its them... - Steven McGurn

so where do we go now? - Brian Appleby

I agree with Jonathan Hardesty "It's like the internet version of Days of Our Lives" - And sites keep getting killed off only to come back to life a month later! - Amy Flynn

very true, however on the other hand, we are getting closer to that one service which everyone will be on... and I dont think twitter is going to be that one - Bryce Campbell

Facebook buying FriendFeed is like having to MOVE just when you got your house all dressed up and made into a comfy HOME! I don't feel like doing it again! - Arleen Anderson

Now that Facebook and Friendfeed have married, I'm waiting for Twitfacefeedplebospacening. - Anthony Marco

You all just have ants in your pants :) - Jeunelle Foster

Leo, u by your self made two companies (services) out of 3 famous and made Google interested enough to buy 2 of them (Jaiku & FF). Google also tried to flirt with Twitter as well. So which one u choose now? Cause we will follow u :P - Sam Ehsan

Sounds like some of my past love affairs. Of course, I'm married now. That, um, was prior. - Paul Chaney

lmfao, its so true leo, so true! - Derek Bender

Feeling a bit worn around the edges? ... me too! - Susan Beebe from iPhone

Speaking of Days Of Our Lives: Didn't that show jump the shark when the serial killer was unmasked as Marlena (a character I used to have a mad crush on, and who's now mostly a professional victim)? Then all the "killed" characters came back to life, since they were only what I call "soap opera dead"... - Dennis Jernberg

And if everyone follows you, then your all having affairs all over the place! LOL - Sandra Large

I think it's back to the TWiT Army! - Paul Salzman

It's not like we have proposed Healthcare reform, or anything really important, going on in the U.S.A. - Steve de Mena

it's getting ridiculous, FEDERATED is the word! - Dobromir Hadzhiev

who is actually leaving FF? have many people vowed to do so yet? I'd like to but there isn't any alternative. - Denise Young

the joys and sorrows of everyday social IT folks... :-) - Thomas Lee

People are talking a lot about Streamy today. Might be an alternative. - Caio Cesar

Streamy seems to be crashing left & right tho. - Rick Cogley

Not to mention Pownce was shutdown as soon as it got good! - Kenneth Reitz

No mention of Microsoft Vine? - Robert MacEwan

yep. welcome to another episode of; As the Stomach Turns. one big soap opera. - Scratch5150

I've decided I'm not going to tell ANYONE which site I'm favoring... not even myself! I swear! As soon as I decided that FF was my new place (a couple months ago) THIS happens! It's like magic, but in a bad bad way... - Mark Jepsen

Why do we all assume this is a bad thing? Maybe the FF Facebook combo will be better?? - Craig Shipp

Maybe they'll keep both open -- FF is the open side, and FB is the closed side. - John Flinchbaugh from IM

Social Networks are sluts? - TheDiva Rockin

It sure is. - Jason Hill

I know exactly how you feel. What's a person to do? I am mad at Twitter for suspending some of my accounts. First, the accounts kept causing the password to reset, then they were suspended, all around the time of the DOS attacks. All I ever used Twitter for was to advertise my businesses, and for fun. Now I don't know where to go. - DogPatch

Here's some thoughts on what's going to happen:http://kennethreitz.com/blog... - Kenneth Reitz

It's like my beloved Archie comics romantic twists from childhood! Archie loves Veronica who loves Reggie who loves Betty who loves Archie... ;) - Shawn Zehnder Lea

More like "As the worm churns" - Houseofmax

한글 와서~ 루거 .. 당신은 정말 잘 생기고있다 누드 사진 기다리다 :] - HealingBrush

One of the funniest sad stories I've heard in a long time... - Aviva Gabriel

Gotta find one who is a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom. One who looks like a woman, but thinks like a man. One who tells you you're the only person in their world and worships the ground you walk on. One who's from Venus but want's to live on Mars. One who you know will always be there even when the chips are down. One who looks like a movie star, but doesn't bust the credit... more... - Jan Simmonds

I think a lot of people LOVE to think negatively and don't want to think positively. They think FB is BAD and will ruin FF, but I think if they do it well, FB won't be the bad guy. I think most people who are irked about this are irked because they think the FFers "sold out" to the "man". - Mol, Time Warping

@Mollyanna - I disagree. I am irked because the future of FF is completely uncertain. It's more likely that FB will let FF flounder and close it down than it is that FB will invest time and resources in maintaining and enhancing FF. FB has other interests and is splitting up the FF dev team. That does not bode well for FF. I don't begrudge the FF devs for taking the money. I would be... more... - Her Lindsay-ness

Leo, I hope you mention FriendFeed in your Dubai TED talk ! :) I'll try to be there ! - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

@Jan You're an asshat. - Ian Wright from BuddyFeed

leo, check out Streamy.com. I'm actually commenting to friendfeed from there right now...you may like it better. - Casey Petersen

looooool =)) - amin.m

Haiku Laporte -

that was cute! :O) - Jeanne

@ian - "Wordsmith. Public relations undergraduate at The University of Texas. Feminist Capitalist. WordPress geek. Future commercial rights attorney"...surely that kind of asinine comment is beneath you! - Jan Simmonds

Maybe they're just not that into you. - Elizabeth Johnson

Wait... who's on first? - Michael Rosenau

Logged in to suggest that many of us have tridden a similar path, but a lot of people have beaten me to it! I miss Pownce - SpionKopRed

wow, Leo. You've got relationship issues! - Justin Bradshaw

there there, Shawny's here... - sofarsoShawn

I sense a pattern here.. maybe you always seem to go after web2.0 services that are bent on ditching you :) - Shivanand Velmurugan

Erin @queenofspain

Seriously you people satisfied with our health care system are lying. You are big, fat, evil, don't want to care about me, lying mcliarpants

August 7 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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or we're just smart enough to realize that the day we get nationalized healthcare, you can forget about ever having a cure for cancer or aids or what have you - Josh Betz

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Josh that is an ignorant and exagerrated view and there is nothing to prove what you just said. The people of this country have been scared for too long of socialized/nationalized medicine. Our law enforcement, fire department, and more have been socialized and they work. I am willing to try anything, as long as its change. - Haggis (Sean Loyless) from Android

Agreed Sean.. - Bill Heslin

Josh, do you seriously think that you get cancer research through the hospital system? - Alex Scoble

watching Newshour and it makes me sick to think the mcliarpants are gonna carry the day with their shrill brute selfishness. it really underscores the essence of American movement and bedrock conservatices: they dont give a damn about anybody else but them and theirs. makes me sick to think we are not going to get reform cuz of the nasty curs. Feh! - Thom Kennon

I don't normally get involved with political topics but I can't help it when it comes to health care. I'm Canadian and our health care is a joke, you don't want any part of it. The reason most Canadians are against Obama's plan is that we'll have no where to go if we get really sick. Canadians put up with 8 hour waits for simple care because its "free" but we flock to the U.S when we're... more... - Justin Luey

Cancer research, for example, is good and all, but we need to be focusing on prevention. - Nick Humphries

According to WaPo columnist Steven Pearlstein, you're also a "political terrorist" if you get in the way of consensus on health care reform. - Garmon Estes

As if cancer research wasn't already funded by the government. Without the NIH, where would we be? The profit margins on anti-cancer drugs aren't exactly making pharmaceutical companies obscenely rich. Anyway, nothing Obama is proposing will prevent the Saudi Arabian sheiks and European royalty from getting state-of-the-art care in Rochester, MN. And Canadians can still come if they're willing to pay cash. - Victor Ganata

48% of U.S. voters now rate the U.S. health care system as good or excellent. 19% rate it as poor. The new polling also shows that 80% of those with insurance rate their own coverage as good or excellent. That's an awful lot of big, fat, evil, don't want to care about me, lying mcliarpants! LOL - Don Smith

I am sorry you feel that way. Unfortunately, sometimes in a two-party system, when one side doesn't like the way that a particular problem is being addressed, whether it's from the perception that it's being pushed through too hastily, or with too many hangers-on or "pork," the alternative that some choose to express is, "what we have now is better than what is being presented." Here in... more... - midnightgolfer

But it's not mutually exclusive. The 80% who like their current insurance aren't necessary averse to health care reform. And it's all perspective. The U.S. health care system is definitely better than the average developing country, but it's definitely broken in a lot of ways. Nothing is perfect. I think people are at least aware enough that just because they really like their insurance now doesn't mean they'll necessarily have their insurance in the next year or so, given the current state of the economy. - Victor Ganata

Josh, that first comment reminds me of a somewhat famous Paul Tsongas gaffe - he claimed that it was America's health care system that produced the treatment that (at that time) saved his life, but in fact it came from Canada. The fact is, medical innovations come from all over the world... (edit: cite here: http://www.sociology101.net/reading... ) BTW,... more... - Andrew C

Good god. FIrst of all, we're not getting Canada's health care or socialized health care. The current program on the table lets you keep your insurance if you want to. But you may not because there will be competition. Second of all, I just spent Mon-Friday in the hospital and anyone who is happy with their health care in this country hasn't been in the hospital lately. - Erin @queenofspain

Justin: I'm sorry you feel like but that is not my experience of health care here in Canada at all, nor of most people judging by the reports seen recently. There is an issue of waiting times but they are a problem wherever you go. - WorldofHiglet

The portion of our healthcare system that is already government funded is problematic, so it's not hard to see why there are concerns about moving further in that direction. Safety net hospitals--those that provide care to low income, uninsured, under-insured, at-risk populations--play a crucial role in community health, but struggle to stay afloat in the face of late and absent... more... - Kathy Fitch

But the private system is in itself broken, and its brokenness overflows onto the public system, exacerbating the problems they already face. - Victor Ganata

No doubt that the whole thing is overdetermined--the issues and the causes thereof are many and complicated. I've been on lots of sides of the thing: a unionized higher ed worker with utterly fabulous benefits, a stay at home mom staring the possibility of COBRA in its very expensive face, a part of an organization having to provide the insurance to its workers, a part of an... more... - Kathy Fitch

Here's a quote from Rep. Mike Ross, one of the Blue Dogs, bragging about how he stalled the bill: "If it had been based on Medicare rates, I can assure you that it would have eventually ended up resulting in a single payer-type system, because Medicare has really good rates, because they're negotiating for every senior in America. Private insurance companies could not have competed with that." -- protecting his constituency from "really good rates", what a stand-up guy. - (dot)lizard kelly

Well--good rates don't change the actual costs, that's the thing. Medicare doesn't cover actual cost. That cost will have to be covered, though. - Kathy Fitch

@WorldOfHiglet - agreed! I'm Canadian and proud of our health care system. There's waiting times for non-essential procedures, but never anything for a life-threatening condition. No-one in Canada is punted off the plan for a "pre-existing condition" or recission. - Matt Mastracci

A system not based in profit would go a hell of a long way towards controlling costs. - (dot)lizard kelly

I expect to profit when I provide a product or service. Seems like most of us do. Research and development, medications, blood products, sutures, medical and surgical expertise, specialized machinery and folks to operate it-it all costs. Who in that chain should not profit from the product or service they provide? Even not-for-profit organizations do need to make a profit, it's just... more... - Kathy Fitch

And that is why, Holden, you are a worthy God. ;-) (When did that happen, by the way? I must have been sleeping.) - Kathy Fitch

Hah--well please let us know if you have any urges toward flooding us all out and starting over with a better class of humans. - Kathy Fitch

No fee schedule--public or private--actual covers the prices anyone charges, although Medicare really is one of the better payers. But since the prices aren't at all subject to market forces, how do we figure out what a fair price is? Basically it's arbitrarily set, although I realize Medicare's RBRVS system (which most private payers tend to adapt to their fee schedules to anyway)... more... - Victor Ganata

Victor, yes, the inflammatory falsehoods part is really a key factor for me. Following the money behind the "grassroots" movement to disrupt and block reform leads to a who's who of the most corrupt health profiteers. - (dot)lizard kelly

That's the crux of it, isn't it, Victor? It's like death and taxes--impossible to talk about it any calm or reasonable fashion because it's an inherently emotional thing. Pushing through a huge new model--so huge that no given individual seems to be conversant with it in its entirety--seems like a really bad idea to me, just on the basis of sheer logic. Even smaller things that seem... more... - Kathy Fitch

The problem is, as Kathy points out, the government is already massively involved with health care. With Titles XVIII and XIX and with EMTALA, that pretty much sets the stage for everyone else. And no one is seriously considering abolishing Medicare, Medicaid, or anti-patient dumping laws. Even many hard-core anti-reformists like Medicare a lot, so where does that leave us? - Victor Ganata

Holden, I will keep an inflatable dinghy handy and watch for animals wandering by in pairs, just in case. - Kathy Fitch

Relatively speaking, a public option is nowhere near as radical as Title XVIII and Title XIX were at the time. Single-payer, now that would be pretty radical. The thing is, I'm getting the sense that the most vociferous and most violent opposition is coming from people who have the least sense of how all the pieces fit together, egged on not-so-surreptitiously by the people who have the most to lose should reform happen, and who don't give a crap about the average American. - Victor Ganata

Yup--and on the flip side, wholesale embrace seems to flow mostly from a "this should be better, dammit" space, which is understandable, but not so useful. It matters what happens here, but it's just so darn big. Just go look at all the active bills concerning XVIII and XIX at any given time! Mind boggling! When things are that huge, people are going to default to emotion, no matter which side they might champion. Fear is a powerful thing. - Kathy Fitch

And we're just talking about how we pay. Quality is a whole separate issue. - Kathy Fitch

Ok, I've read all the comments and I definitely don't have the insight of everyone else, especially the specifics of what the national health care plan look like at this point. But I do have a couple things I want to mention. 1) It would not be like Canada's system, it would be more like France (mixed public and private) 2) I live in MA, and next year I'm off my mom's insurance (I'm... more... - Heather

Cry me a river, srsly - LANjackal

"I expect to profit when I provide a product or service. Seems like most of us do." ... like the police, Kathy? Or is it possible that certain areas of life are not well served by a market paradigm? - Andrew C

Yes, precisely like the police, who get paid for their work--who profit from it, as should all who work for a living. Is it possible to work for no pay? But of course, I do it all of the time. I call it volunteering or doing pro bono work, and I think it's important. I love psychic income. Unfortunately, no one lets me write psychic checks to cover the bills. - Kathy Fitch

Just because a system is non-profit doesn't mean the people who work there don't get paid. - Andrew C

Yes, I believe I pointed that out above. Not for profit enterprises must actually generate a profit in order to meet payroll, pay vendors, build, secure loans, etc. "Profit" is not the enemy, and shouldn't be conflated with "profiteering," which is a whole different ball of wax. - Kathy Fitch

It seems to me the health insurance system of the US has tremendous perverse incentives which are basically inevitable results of trying to provide it via a open market. Healthy people willing to gamble may find it advantageous to not get insured, and insurers have huge incentives to dump sick people - both those who have individual plans and those who have small enough employers that the insurers can and will dump the entire group plan. - Andrew C

And non-profits don't need to make a _profit_, they just need to cover costs. - Andrew C

Ah, it's splitting hairs, Andrew. They need to make money. A hospital's costs include things like new machinery. To cover that cost, they have to make money--there has to be some gain after all current costs are covered. They roll that profit back into the organization, and then they might be able to afford, say, a decent MRI machine. In any case, not all hospitals are not-for-profit ventures. There are some great investor owned hospitals in the world. - Kathy Fitch

I'm relatively fine with for-profit hospitals. I am mostly unconvinced that for-profit health insurance is workable. - Andrew C

Seems like we're about to get a chance to compare, doesn't it? I can't pretend to know what will happen. It's going to be an interesting ride. There have been some actual studies that correlate lower quality of care (fewer qualified staff, higher rates of errors) with free market forces in healthcare. If the concern is constantly the survival of the institution, then perhaps the health... more... - Kathy Fitch

The reason pubicly funded institutions and most health care delivery institutions (like where I work) struggle is that there is a huge number of people who aren't insured. This drives costs up for everyone as we just try to break even and what the reform really is trying to address. We're talking about adding about $100 billion a year to a >$1 trillion dollar a year industry. This is... more... - Carey Lumeng

While I am not opposed to health care reform, I am opposed to having the government run health care. We'll end up with mediocrity, just like our government run education system! - Darren

None of the proposals currently on the table intend to implement a government-run health care system. This is a strawman that we really need to stop bringing up if we intend to have fruitful discussions about what direction we need to go. - Victor Ganata

Healthcare isn't perfect, there is many things that can be done to help, however, having the government take it over is the worst thing that can happen. The good thing is most Americans are waking up to Obama and his nonsense, hence his poll numbers dropping. I would also bet that most who still support him, have not read any of the bill. The truth is, the government does not run... more... - Spencer

The statement that rings truest to me is that profit is ok but profiteering isn't. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

The revenue that you have to reinvest in your infrastructure isn't usually referred to as profit, though, is it? And neither are wages paid in fair compensation for labor provided. I realize it's semantics, but I think it would be pretty evil if fire fighters and police actually derived profit from their work, although I'm all for them receiving fair compensation for the difficult and dangerous work they do protecting us. - Victor Ganata

CapEx is a sound investment usually and not one that I would refer to as profit. I would actually like for first responders to get a little extra compensation much as I would for teachers as these are industries where going the extra mile should in my opinion be rewarded. I just become enraged at "for-profit" healthcare companies as they do derive their profits not only from the argument of economies of scales and vertical domination of the market va their "in-house" pharmacies. What a racket? - Mathew A. Koeneker

I'm in my 20s, employed, I've got health insurance from my employer, and I haven't been to a hospital since I was young (and only once then). However, even I am wary of the pain that I will have to go through if I lose my job; I'm sure COBRA would be too costly. Besides, it wouldn't matter even if I did find a new job (not easy to do right now), thanks to pre-existing condition rules... more... - A. Karl Kornel from twhirl

I'm in my 20s and got laid off. COBRA's $145/mth, which has been OK for me. I'm not saying it'll be the same for everyone else, but I'm ok - LANjackal from IM

No, I'm actually looking forward to having a 23-year-old high school graduate in Washington override my doctor's decision on what medication I need. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help." -- Ronald Reagan - Don Smith

Everyone misses the key --- the what's-mine-is-mine crowd who "want gummint off their backs" (but i bet they like the interstate highway system, a standing army, state colleges, subsidized cotton, regulated utilities) and the humanists (who believe people all deserve a basic right to food, health, shelter, safety). And the key is this: fee for services. This is the single most important... more... - Thom Kennon

I am not for "Obamacare." I am for having a discussion on things that need changing and making those changes. I don't care how it's done, but these things need doing. 1) Stop dinging people for pre-existing conditions 2) Stop over-charging for prescription drugs 3)Stop giving care that isn't effective or necessary (restless leg syndrome, overactive bladder, etc. We've gotten to the... more... - Francine Hardaway

Glen, what you said happens now. Except, one, the 23 yo bureaucrat might not be in DC, he or she is wherever your insurance company is headquartered. And two, under Obama's proposal, you can keep your current health insurance if you think it's good enough. - Andrew C from Android

I'm conservative, but I'll be honest, the 66% COBRA subsidy under the ARRA has been a lifesaver. Just FWIW - LANjackal from IM

Francine, yes, everything that takes away from worker productivity has been labeled a condition. The question is, who gets to decide what is effective treatment? Researchers? Clinicians? Insurance companies? Government officials? I do agree that incentives should be geared towards outcomes with objective measures rather than volume of procedures performed but the problem is that the... more... - Victor Ganata

I'm thinking of profit in more basic terms--the amount of money left after expenses have been subtracted from income. It seems natural to me that folks object when the portion that might actually be left, there, is quickly sucked up by the government, which isn't exactly renowned for efficiency and ethics. - Kathy Fitch

I'm not making an argument here, but really just posing a series of philosophical questions: *Do* people have a basic right to healthcare? If so, where do we draw the line? A basic right to immunizations, to health education, to emergency care, to open-heart surgery, to hip replacement, to orthodontia, to treatment for acne or eczema? The difficulty of drawing those lines is one source... more... - Kathy Fitch

I think people have a basic right to health care, both on ideological and pragmatic grounds. The ideology is down to what's right and wrong; the pragmatic argument is that society is not well served by having the poor suffer from treatable problems. I can see drawing the line for trivial and cheaply solved problems like usual teenage acne, paper cuts, etc. I can also see drawing a line for extraordinary costs. Every insurer, whether nationally run or private, for-profit or not, draws such lines. - Andrew C

Offering carrots and sticks for healthy lifestyles can only go so far. Who knew tobacco was carcinogenic back in the 1940s? Or asbestos? I think the idea that people willingly lead unhealthy lifestyles _because they plan to fall back on health insurance_ is ludicrous; everyone prefers to live a healthy life rather than get by with massive surgeries or other catastrophic interventions. - Andrew C

When people are in need of new organs, the health care system already does judge them on behaviors, like not allowing alcoholics to get new livers. But I think preventative medicine, at a basic level like annual check ups, screenings for high risk patients, vaccines, visits with a nutritionist, that kind of stuff, is totally reasonable to offer everyone. I mean before I got back on my... more... - Heather

Very true, Heather. Already, we must make these calls, and already we aren't so hot at it. If we have a right to healthcare, why shouldn't we have the right to a new kidney or lung or heart, even if our lifestyles in some measure caused those organs to fail? The junk food junkie might be the best teacher or counselor in the community, the drinker might be on point of composing the most... more... - Kathy Fitch

Teenage acne, by the way, is not at all trivial to the ones who suffer from it, and it's hugely expensive to treat. Check the prices on something like Doryx, for instance. Might seem like a purely cosmetic issue, but of course it has social implications, and mental health implications, as well. http://dermnetnz.org/acne... A friend of mine always used to say that the definition of "minor" surgery is "surgery on someone else." Just so, it seems, with many health afflictions. - Kathy Fitch

To those of you concerned about a single-payer option and the elimination of Employer Insurance, the President clarifys those concerns in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Sharon McPherson

LOL ... That Oburkel! Such a kidder!! - Don Smith

Of course you're right Erin. I have Parkinson's Disease and Fibromyalgia that is going untreated because the Government Run Medicare system says my husband's $500 per wk pay check puts us over the threshold to receive assistance, although our monthly expenses amount to $2400. And my young grandchildren are desperately in need of Dental Care because the State Run Florida KidCare program... more... - Sharon McPherson

Sharon, the problem is that the opposition isn't addressing any of the issues you raise. They are lying about "death panels". Let's address the real issues, please. - Tom Talbott, Jr

The US is the only country in Western World that doesn't have some sort of nationalized system (and it is arguably one of the worst). I am confused at anyone who thinks that a corporation is going to operate in the best interest of the customer. It operates in the best interest of the share holders - it must. It is time to consider some government control, so people don't have to pay +$500 for "mostly covered". - Jeff Waite

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AlaskaReport: Todd and Sarah Palin to divorce. "Affairs on both sides." http://alaskareport.com/news39...

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Holy Crap! Why is it that people who preach are the one's who have most to hide? - Mark

“When Todd got back from one of his trips, Sarah told him that she had begun to have feelings for Brad.” Um...I think you have to TOUCH someone else in order to have an affair. Yes, I know you can sort of do things with phones, email and SMS, but they haven't mentioned that, either! - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

Mage, that is an open question. (Unavoidable pun, sorry.) - Daniel Dulitz

Sigh. We really need the "Sigh" option added up top. - Kathy Fitch

http://www.facebook.com/note... - Jesse Stay

end of story - Mark

Double sigh. - Kathy Fitch

Who cares?? :o/ - Rob Sellen :o)

tens of millions of people :p - Mark

ijustine just posted a video of a grilled cheese. Help me out here Americans, how do you do it like she did without burning the pan? When I tried the melted butter started smouldering in the pan and it all went wrong :( - Mark

http://www.seriouseats.com/recipes... - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - thanks - Mark

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Zach Flauaus has one of the best one-liner bios on FriendFeed I have ever seen. That's reason enough for a #followfriday.

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Thanks Louis! I was wondering where the follows were coming from. - Zach Flauaus

I wanted to type my comments in binary but I didn't know how :) Cool bio definitely! - Boon Kwee

hahahaha - Chris Penner

that is fabulous! pure win! - Susan Beebe

that is a good one - (jeff)isageek

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Country music is a non starter.

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Facebook's 5,000 Friend Limit Has a Ripple Effect Across Social Networks (Discussion Here)

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The most popular people on Facebook have run up against a limit of friends, capped at 5,000. Whether they have 50,000 'fans' or 6,000, those 5,001 and up can't connect. - Louis Gray

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FriendFeed automatically assumes that if you are a friend on Facebook, you are also a friend on FriendFeed. This leads to why many "A-Listers" have high subscriber counts, even if the person didn't add them manually. - Louis Gray

Louis do you know what percentage of Facebook's user base this affects? This is a non issue for me (and a lot of others who aren't following/followed by that many I suspect). - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

That said, if said person only can have 5,000 of those automatically connected, they actually have _fewer_ subscribers than they would otherwise, if Facebook were to expand the cap to 10,000 or 20,000 or higher. - Louis Gray

And what do you think of LinkedIn, there limit is 30.000. They simply don´t get it. - Jan Mulder

Additionally, as these Facebook/FriendFeed subscribers would be exposed to said individual's stream of all social sites, they would be more likely to follow said individual on other sites, as well as be exposed to these "top" people's friends, comments and likes. - Louis Gray

But if they are not allowed to connect with those people on Facebook, and don't manually add them on FriendFeed, the are operating outside of this Venn Diagram. - Louis Gray

I have wondered what I will do when I hit 5000. I have been getting 10 - 20 invites a day. I am starting to screen people now to weed out potential spammers and app monkeys. Is the solution a fan page? Seems a little egotistical. - Sid Burgess

Thus, assuming the above, Facebook's cap reduces the total number of followers that all A-listers have across all networks, and, due to trickle-down, reduces the exposure and followers that each other person interacting with said people also has... (think of it as six degrees of "A Lister Name Goes Here") - Louis Gray

I'm glad Facebook has the limits. Lifting the limit would only be an advantage for people broadcasting to lots of people. But Facebook works best when it is a smaller group interacting together. And if someone was broadcasting on it all day, they would just be creating noise in a system designed to eliminate it. I don't want my friends sending status updates telling me to look at their blog. I want to see status updates from my actual friends telling me about their lives. - Andrew

Given Facebook's self-imposed definition of a friend, I really wonder how many people (if anyone) can seriously argue, given Facebook's definition, that they have 5,000 friends. - Mark Trapp

Brian, I would guess it impacts a small amount. But assuming that those who it affects are influential, and can help spread the word about other services and people, it does affect those who don't run into the 5k cap. I don't, for example, expect to hit the 5k cap ever (or far, far away) as I am "only" at 700. - Louis Gray

Jan, the LinkedIn limit is 30,000? LinkedIn only shows "500+" when you get to that point (where I am now) - Louis Gray

Sid, one option would be to do a fan page, which yes, sounds egotistical. But that won't solve the FriendFeed/Facebook synchronization. - Louis Gray

Josh, your note on Facebook wanting to only include "real friends" is a lot like Twitter wanting you to only add real connections and avoid auto-follow. It's like trying to force a utopia, when reality is going a different way. I have no indication they will change the limit. - Louis Gray

LinkedIn is designed to promote business connections. They should be limitless. Facebook would gain nothing from lifting the limit except a headache from "powerusers" since their service doesn't need the PR of influential users. - Andrew

Andrew, what is more likely? That you have 5,000 real friends, or 5,000 real business connections? I think I'm equal on Facebook and LinkedIn. I used to have hard/fast rules on who I let in, but then I realized people just want to follow and get connected, so why should I stop them? - Louis Gray

Chris - that sounds boring! :-) - Louis Gray

Brian, it is a 100% opt in opt-out system. You are assuming that the noise generated would not be expected or desired. I have "unfriended" a lot of people for creating noise I did want. But on the other hand, it would be great to be Robert Scobles friend if you are not. Like Louis mentioned, there are a lot of people with political or social relevance that have information that could be useful. Again, I supposed FB's solution is the fan page. - Sid Burgess

I agree that the *friend* ecosystem across social networks should not be constrained in such a way that prevents people from connecting with other people. You might also argue that this network effect could be used as rationale for *premium* services that extract $$ from those who want to broadcast to such large numbers of *friends*. Just sayin. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

Louis - Who said every business relationship on LinkedIn has to be used? How many people who take your business card actually use it? If I used LinkedIn, I would want as many connections as I could get in case I ever needed them. But again, increasing this limit on Facebook would only create a competition for friends and more noise in the system. I enjoy Facebook as it is now. I don't have a single person begging me to look at their stuff. I have my friends telling me about their lives. - Andrew

Brian, one interesting approach has been taken by AssetBar (http://www.assetbar.com), where popular people with good content can charge fans for access, using micropayments. But I would bet that popular people who stretch the limits wouldn't want to pay for more access, but in fact, might feel entitled to it. - Louis Gray

I disagree, I don't think it does have a ripple effect across other social networks, it's just common sense so the system isn't abused such as twitter's 2000 limit. FF doesn't have such a risk - sofarsoShawn

So what's the added value of connecting to people you don't know in Facebook? Who's going to work 5,000 Facebook connections? Is Robert Scoble actually checking in on the daily lives of 5,000 people on Facebook? Connecting for the sake of connecting begs the question, "why?" If a bunch of people want to follow what Robert Scoble's doing, there's the option of a fan page, which works in... more... - Mark Trapp

Similarly, the argument could be made that Twitter's initial limit to stop you from following more than 2,000 reduces both your exposure and those you want to follow, but it is less automatic than FriendFeed's/Facebook integration. Regardless of which socnet has a cap, it reduces total #'s everywhere. - Louis Gray

Mark, I think many people correctly assume the majority of conversation is one way when the #'s get that high. Connecting to so many people doesn't just let you check in on them, but let's them get access to you. It's not an issue of being nice or making them feel good, but enabling two-way conversation, if wanted, where it is otherwise blocked. - Louis Gray

this is very upsetting to me - i am considering not using facebook until they increase the limit - in fact, i may not eat anything with milk in it in a continual protest. facebook has a "fans" page - you can go unlimited there - "friend" used to mean something - today it does not. - Allen Stern

Social Media's all a Multi-Level Marketing scheme - the closer you get to the top, the more influential you are. ;-) - Jesse Stay

For example, FriendFeed has no limit. If they stopped us from connecting at 2,000 or 5,000, there might already be people on this thread who I couldn't see or talk to. - Louis Gray

Josh, LinkedIn has let you connect as a "friend" for some time now, as they made big strides to get more like Facebook. - Louis Gray

@Sid Totally agree that everyone should be able to be Robert's *friend* and that there should be an extensibility model that supports the growth of one's social graph across social networks. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

So Chris, more like Twitter's model then? 2k, and once you get a similar number of followers, stay within 10%? - Louis Gray

again, these sites aren't designed for self promotion which edges close to spam, which is why the caps are in place - sofarsoShawn

Oh I hate how Twitter capped theirs at 2,000. I was one of the earlier users, so It was basic practice then to add away, ala the Scoble method, so now, I've got 2,000 follows, 500 followers, and Twitter is making me spend time out of my day to delete old users? I hate that. It's making me avoid using Twitter....like its a chore I need to do. - Brian Ries

It's a false assumption to make that a social connection has to be made in order to get in touch with someone. Email, still the main communication method of choice, requires only knowing one thing: a person's email address. Facebook doesn't require a friendship to be made to send a private message. Neither does LinkedIn. FriendFeed doesn't even have a method to communicate directly with people. - Mark Trapp

So it's down to Twitter and Jabber that require a mutual follow: rather than conflating one concept (being connected to someone) with another (being able to communicate with someone), it seems to make more sense to say the Twitter and Jabber methods are failures. Just think about real life: the other day, I walked up to a stranger and asked her how to get to a bus. I didn't walk up to... more... - Mark Trapp

louis - if you need to remove someone so you can add another person on ff, i am willing to go - it was a nice run we had - but i understand upgrading - Allen Stern

+1240140140 @sofarsoshawn - all these social networks now are is marketing networks - 85,000 followers for tc/mash on twitter - why? because they can spam their posts all day and get traffic - same with facebook, etc. one of the reasons fc hired scoble is because he has access to these networks, etc. - Allen Stern

Allen, if we had to have FriendFeed friend layoffs, it'd just be you and me at the end. - Louis Gray

*shucks* thanks louis - Allen Stern

Someone has a good point. - tony

Louis, at some level I think it goes against the philosophy of Facebook to *not* have a limit. The designers didn't conceive that someone would be able to maintain "relationships" with 5000+ people. In that sense, what is the point of having more friends than you can keep up with? - Ryan Stanley

thanks tony - glad you agree with me :) - Allen Stern

Mark Zuckerberg, founder/CEO of Facebook, told me that the 5,000 member limit would go away this year. - Robert Scoble

Brian, only a small number of people have 5,000 friends (a few thousand people according to Facebook execs I've talked with). - Robert Scoble

yay robert - woo - i hope we can have a faceUP (like a tweetup) that weekend so we can get everyone together to add new followers on facebook! "i got marge, you got marge? no, ok here's marge" - Allen Stern

Why do I want more than 5,000 Facebook contacts? Because if Facebook is to be used for business (lots of people want to use it that way) it must be an open rolodex. I have 9,000 business cards. I want to add each person I've met to my Facebook social graph. Fan pages are NOT enough. Why? Because a lot of times I want to call you and I want to check out your home page. I can't do that if you aren't added to my social graph in Facebook. Facebook has become very much less useful to me because of this. - Robert Scoble

Allen: my friend Buzz Bruggeman has 12,000 business contacts in Outlook that he's collected during his career. Facebook is useless to him. - Robert Scoble

As per earlier discussion: http://friendfeed.com/e... yes it has a ripple effect, but one that can only be beneficial as a limiting agent, I agree with Scoble on the ridiculous want for more FB friends you don't ever talk to business isn't done on FB - sofarsoShawn

if you have 9,000 business cards, you should absolutely buy a cloudcontacts package :) - Allen Stern

I am going to use CloudContacts soon. Probably in the next two weeks. - Louis Gray

Perhaps the cap originated with the idea that one can only have 5000 friends in the old sense of the term, when it was just college students. http://scienceblogs.com/clock... Perhaps now that many of us use Facebook for business, the term should be changed to avoid this confusion: http://www.facebook.com/home... - Bora Zivkovic

Thanks Louis! - Allen Stern

Facebook for business does seem contrary to their initial user-base. For me it will be like mixing business with pleasure. I recognize keeping them absolutely separate is an impossible endeavor. My only request is whatever tools they give us to manage the various contact lists and relationships are extremely functional. - Ryan Stanley

Could you be friends with your boss? - sofarsoShawn

shawn, walking on thin ice there.. I wouldn't do it.. - embee

If some uber popular person wants to connect to fans through Facebook they could just use the Fan page feature. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Mathew: Fan pages suck. I want to use Facebook like a rolodex. Keep all potential contacts in one place and be able to look them up and call them and interact with them on messaging and wall features. - Robert Scoble

But, do you really need to have even 5000 people to keep in contact with for important things in the future? Maybe I just don't get it since I don't even have 100 "friends" on Facebook. - Mathew™ one of a kind

what about system stability? is it fair to the 99%, to have the 1% noisiest cripple the system? - Peter Warnock

Peter: friendfeed proves you're wrong. If you design your systems properly NO ONE will be able to cripple your systems. - Robert Scoble

Friendfeed also doesn't have anywhere near the amount of users that Facebook does. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Mathew: while that's true, I have 27,000+ followers and am following 13,000+ here. It works great every single time. - Robert Scoble

Facebook strikes me as a business plan kind of company. If their original plan and driving philosophy included a friend ceiling, then it'll be interesting to see how they scale. FF on the other hand, seems to have the right philosophy for an infinite rolodex (now if only they'd catch up with the usability part). - Ryan Stanley

Facebook's bottom line: you should only add genuine friends. I don't think I know a single person with 5,000 *real* friends. Needless to say, FB is going to give into this demand in due time, I guess, but I still won't add the 430+ friends I have in my pending requests because I don't know them. They're my fans, not my friends. - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: define "friend." - Robert Scoble

I define a "friend" as someone I want in my social graph. Who the hell are you to tell me how many friends I can have? Or to define "friendship" for me. What the hell is a "friend" anyway? I really would love someone to define that so I can know for sure whether you're my friend or not. - Robert Scoble

In semi-related news, in terms of genuinity, Facebook has started stripping titles on names, even if people are known with that name (see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...). In a way, that pisses me off - do you know how many FAKE people have friended me on Facebook in the last year and that Facebook hasn't taken care of? "Rabbi" is part of these guys' identities; I'm not really sure I approve of this. I certainly don't see how Facebook should make that call either. - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: I agree with you there. I should be able to call myself whatever I damn well please. That said, because Facebook does have a lot of utility as a business directory/rolodex I do appreciate that it tries to get people to use their real names. Makes searching for people a lot easier. - Robert Scoble

Robert, we had this discussion 2 weeks ago. In fact, that's almost the exact question you asked me. My opinion hasn't changed. See http://friendfeed.com/e... - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: your definition over there is "people you know personally." Well, hell, I know more than 9,000 people personally and have their business cards to prove it. So, why are you trying to limit me to 5,000 friends? - Robert Scoble

IMO, Robert, Facebook should not allow fake identities at all. In terms of the specific complaint, I don't consider a Rabbi a fake identity, especially if that's their title and people even call these individuals "Rabbi" to their faces (yes, when growing up, I called a lot of my teachers "Rabbi" almost as a first name). Those who have fake identities often have real identities and Facebook should terminate the fake ones and force the individuals to use their real names only on the service. (contd) - Tamar Weinberg

Define "people you know." - Robert Scoble

For about a year and a half, Facebook did nothing and these fake identities started cropping up. But in 2006, Facebook was serious about it (see this group here named in memory of "St Augustine of Hippo" who was a figment of some kid's imagination: http://www.facebook.com/home...). Facebook should NEVER have gotten lax on this. It's pretty annoying that they couldn't be consistent. - Tamar Weinberg

I think that definition changes from person to person. Will I add someone I spoke to for all of 2 minutes? If I feel comfortable that they're accessing personal photos, wall posts, etc, then sure. But I speak of a personal face-to-face interaction, Robert. You're a popular guy on the 'net, and surely you have a lot of people who follow everything about you - but would you invite all 5,000+ for an intimate dinner? Would you even have something to talk about? You tell me. - Tamar Weinberg

Facebook isn't a business network. Equating this with the number of business cards in your collection doesn't do it for me. Plus, do you remember EVERYONE who handed you your business card? - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: actually I usually do and keep in mind I only get cards from one out of maybe four people I meet. Finally, I know a lot more about people online than I do just by meeting them and collecting their email address on a piece of paper. But, again, who the hell are you to tell me how many people I am allowed to "know?" - Robert Scoble

Tamar: intimate dinner means one other person. No more. Would I love to have an intimate dinner with 5,000 people and there's only 365 days in a year? Absolutely but I can't eat that much. Now, would I love to have a dinner with 5,000 people? I've already done that. At Microsoft we had 7,000 at one dinner. See, if we're going to use these tools for BUSINESS then you need to have more than 5,000 friends. - Robert Scoble

Nobody is saying you're allowed to know any specific # of people, but I will stick to the argument that Facebook is looking to foster genuine friendships, not just people looking to broaden their social connections. Like I said, I have 430+ pending friend requests from people who may know me in some capacity, but I'm not going to accept them because I've never met them. I don't know them. It's awkward for me to let them know personal details about my life. Facebook doesn't want to encourage it either. - Tamar Weinberg

Did you just redefine "friend" as someone you've had an intimate dinner with? - Robert Scoble

What is a "genuine" friendship? Do you have to sleep with me to prove you're "genuine?" - Robert Scoble

I share my personal details of my life with everyone, not just my friends. You all know I have kidney disease. What's more personal than that? - Robert Scoble

Mark Zuckerberg disagrees with you about what he wants to encourage, by the way. So I'll go with his definition of where Facebook is going: a social utility. - Robert Scoble

I don't think intimate necessarily means one other person, but if you want to look at it that way, how about I rephrase: would you invite a handful of your FB friends (and/or pending friends you can't approve) to a close-knit (better?) personal face-to-face dinner? And if that dinner materialized and all of your friends actually attended, would there really be something for everyone to talk about? Or at least for you as the host and orchestrator of the event? - Tamar Weinberg

I define a Facebook "friend" as someone who I want on my social graph. Any other definition is defacto wrong. - Robert Scoble

Robert, curious to know: do you hand-pick all of your Facebook friends or do you accept everyone who sends you an incoming request? - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: I look at each one and decide whether they would be interesting in my social graph. Some I give full privileges to. Others I restrict their access. - Robert Scoble

Regarding Facebook and Dinner. I regularly held dinners in Seattle for EVERYONE. I love meeting new people and, yes, we opened our house up for people I knew only online regularly. So, answer is "totally" yes. - Robert Scoble

Robert, I actually answered this question in 2007 when I blogged about how I personally network with people on Facebook. I should probably do that chart again and find out how many of those people I actually *don't* know (because yes, before Facebook became open to the entire world, I was a little more liberal with my choosing of friends if there was some common ground). See post and pie chart: http://www.techipedia.com/2007... - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: your usage of Facebook is wonderful but is irrelevant. A Facebook "friend" is someone you want on your social graph. We are both using Facebook correctly. But if you try to limit my ability to use Facebook to your weird rules I will yell bloody murder. I don't try to force you to use Facebook according to my rules, so why do you try to force me to use Facebook according to yours? Are you religious? Sure seems like it. You remind me of the evangelical Christians I used to hang out with. - Robert Scoble

I contend, then, Robert, that you're in the 0.00001% of Facebook users. (Actually, that number is a bit too generous IMO if Facebook is really at 175 million users.) I had a client who mass-friended some of my own friends and some of my personal friends (including some high-school classmates) actually accepted. THAT is something I hate. To some people, Facebook is about whoring every single contact you can possible gather, and that's not how I appreciate the service being used. - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: again, you are being a real jerk if you try to put your ideas of who should be on your social graph onto ME. Who the hell made you the social graph queen? - Robert Scoble

I am trying to be more cool so Robert Scoble will accept my friend request on Facebook. Still says "Friend Requested". :) - Sid Burgess

Sid: as soon as I can add more than 5,000 friends on Facebook you'll be added. I have 4,500 people I want to add to my social graph and I can't. - Robert Scoble

Robert, as you realize, though, I'm saying that this is how I believe Facebook *wants* the service to be used as. They want those genuine friendships and not just the social graphing bit (which to them is actually a relatively newer phenomenon than Facebook itself). Your usage is more of an anomaly, IMO. That's why as I said initially here, FB will give into this demand in due time, but that's not part of the initial perception of the service. Call me old school. It's a personal preference. - Tamar Weinberg

Thats the issue Tamar, it really isn't a cookie cutter world and social applications and services will have to weigh the pros and cons of being something to everyone. In this case, Facebook has limited it at 5000 friends but it's model has changed much more lately (I believe due to the need for funding sources). They are now trying to build a google for all things social and interactions: ERGO, the Robert Scobles in the world will use the service and need it to act very differently than say you will. - Sid Burgess

And to the several posts who keep asking, how do you stay connected with 5000 "friends" I have no clue how someone can, but I get 10-20 friend requests a day. If someone wants to follow my online social life I have no problem letting them. IN other words, it becomes their responsibility to maintain a relationship if they want one. I just politely oblige them with the connection. - Sid Burgess

Tamar: do you know Mark Zuckerberg or Sheryl Sandberg? I do. They tell me you are wrong. So why are you trying to stick up for wrong ideas? - Robert Scoble

Robert, if you're going to make personal attacks for my observations and how I'm trying to understand Facebook's current policy, then I'm not interested in continuing this conversation. To each his own. But are you saying that it's appropriate for people to start adding random friends of friends? Fine. I guess that's how my ex-client chose to socially graph. Again, I hate it and felt it... more... - Tamar Weinberg

Perhaps I'm doing it 'wrong'. I tend to add interesting people here, and family and mostly (but not entirely) physical friends in Facebook. I spend way more time here and Twitter than I do in facebook, simply because more interesting stuff happens here, more often. Whilst I do like social interaction, and not just endless links to your blog or pet interest or business, much of what I get on Facebook is simply photos of the drunken exploits the night before, or the fact that your wearing blue pants today. - Ian May

Tamar: people who try to force me to use services the way THEY do are jerks. Sorry, but if I tried to force you to use Facebook the way I do I would be a jerk too. - Robert Scoble

Sid, and that's fine, but IMO (and apparently only now Robert has acknowledged that I'm wrong) Facebook had this user limitation because of the desire to keep friends "friends." If I'm wrong, why didn't he say so when I made the first statement? If this prior statement "Facebook's bottom line: you should only add genuine friends" was wrong, why was it pointed out NOW? - Tamar Weinberg

Robert, clearly you are an outlier (and you know it). To most people, friends are at the least people who they share more with than the internet at large. re:"I want to use Facebook like a rolodex. Keep all potential contacts in one place and be able to look them up and call them...", I would never trust a 3rd party to be my master database (for a variety of reasons). If my friends or family want to get in touch with me (and they somehow lost my number and email an IM), they can visit my eponymous web page. - LogEx

Robert, I'm not forcing you to do anything. You're allowed to use your social network any way you want it. It was my perception from the beginning that this is how Facebook wanted it, and this was something I understood personally for my own purposes. I'm not sure why you didn't point out my inaccurate statement earlier. - Tamar Weinberg

Lol, thanks Robert! I just follow you through Maryam. She friended me a long time ago. Beautiful family. - Sid Burgess

Tamar: please show me where Facebook says I should only add people I actually have met face-to-face to my social graph. - Robert Scoble

Like I said twice prior in this conversation and many times elsewhere, if people want to add me, they can. They're doing so because they're using Facebook in their own way. I have a choice whether to accept or reject that friend invitation. That's how I'm using Facebook. It would be completely wrong for me to make a judgment on how you are supposed to use the site, but it was always my understanding that this was the premise for Facebook's restrictions. - Tamar Weinberg

In fact, I just went and looked just to make sure. It just shows me people who want to be my friend and asks me to do one of two things: confirm or ignore. If I confirm then it asks me what kind of list I'd like to put them on and whether I want to give them full access or limited access. Who the hell made up what you are saying that there's "rules" to who should be a friend or not on Facebook? Who put YOU in charge? - Robert Scoble

Going back to facebook for a while till the hollering slows down. :) >>> - Sid Burgess

Tamar: well, again, I'm telling you you are wrong. There never has been any "rules" on who should be a friend or not. Wonderful. Now we are starting to understand each other. The only "friend definition" in Facebook that you should put on other people is that they are people you want on your social graph. DO NOT try to tell me a friend online is anything different than that. - Robert Scoble

Robert, stop asking me to show you proof for something I said I have been "observing." You clearly know Sheryl Sandberg and Mark Zuckerberg and you already made a statement saying that they say I am wrong. I'm not going to argue on this point if it's wrong. However, you should have said I was wrong earlier. - Tamar Weinberg

Sid: you're funny. You can always hide this if you want. :-) - Robert Scoble

Tamar: I've been saying you are wrong to try to put stupid rules on the word "friend" for weeks now.You just weren't listening until I started pointing out that what you were doing is really nasty behavior similar to fundamentalist religious people. - Robert Scoble

Good. I'm wrong. We've established that. And for the fiftieth time, I never said I was in charge - I said this is how I understood the restriction. Again, you can use the social site as you want to. I personally use it one way. You use it another way. I don't judge people or care how they use the site, but that's how I understood the restriction. I'm not sure how else I can spell this out. Any way I say this, you attack me. - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: you never said you're sorry for telling ME how to use Facebook. Until you do that you are a jerk. Sorry. When you apologize and back off then we can deal again. - Robert Scoble

Yet another pointless FF discussion that I desperately want to avoid. Oh, right, that's what "Hide" is for. - Glen Campbell, B.A.

...except, for the fifty-first time, Robert, that was how I understood the restriction. Apparently my understanding of the restriction is equivalent to religious fanaticism. Listen, look at it any way you want, but that's completely off base. - Tamar Weinberg

Where did I tell you how to use Facebook? - Tamar Weinberg

Robert: Are you kidding? It's like watching a train wreck... I am watching, but just with one eye open. The other eye is in Facebook reading all my "friends" streams. ;) - Sid Burgess

ok, now to decide whether to read the last 100+ comments or not.. - Zee.

Tamar: where did you get that belief? Back it up with a URL please. Until then you are trying to put YOUR beliefs on me. Knock it off and apologize and admit that you and I see our social graphs differently and that Facebook allows us both to exist peacefully on the same service. - Robert Scoble

Zee: nothing to see here. Just hide and move on. :-) - Robert Scoble

Robert, like I said, it's something I've observed when Facebook decided to change the names of friends of mine who have legitimate identities and to terminate accounts of those who didn't have an identity the site approved of. My understanding is that they wanted real people to foster real connections. If that's not enough for you, I'm not sure what is. - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: real people fostering real connections is different than your stupid definition of "friend." You crossed the line and you can't even see what line you crossed. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

Robert, for the millionth time, I don't care how people use the service. Use it any way you want. If you're going to get worked up over some stupid definition I *personally* hold and then consider me a jerk for adhering to my personal preference, so be it. But hey, I'm not the one who imposed the 5,000 restriction, so take that part up with them. Apparently I was wrong in assuming why such a restriction was in place. - Tamar Weinberg

personally, until facebook respects the right to alias I will remain away from that site so this isn't an issue for me in the slightest. For others and the ways in which they wish to use the site I can understand that it can actually inhibit the usefulness they could get. - alphaxion

Tamar: that restriction was in place to retard Facebook's growth and also because of technical limitations -- the site got slow when you had more friends than that because of all the database joins that had to be done. - Robert Scoble

technically Robert, she didn't tell you how to use Facebook, she just pointed out that statistically, you're quite an anomaly. Of course Zuckerberg and Sandberg will tell you what you want to hear. It makes the noise stop. But, get out your calculator and divide 3000 by 175,000,000. Is it really a priority for Facebook? No. Should it be? Today, of course not. Tomorrow? Who knows. - Robert Seidman

Tamar: I got mad because you kept repeating this belief of yours and you tried to make me feel bad for using Facebook in a different way than your belief. It's amazing to me that you still do not see what line you crossed and why you pissed me off so much. - Robert Scoble

Robert: no, you missed that she tried to define friend as somone I am "intimate" with. Or, something close to that. Stay away from telling me who my friends can be. That's over the line. - Robert Scoble

i havent read every single comment but calling someone a jerk and stupid isn't very nice - facebook has a limit currently - if you don't like it, stay here where you can have a million bazillion friends and share things all ya like, etc. right? - Allen Stern

Robert, I'm not trying to preach here, and I apologize if you thought I'm trying to make you feel bad. That was DEFINITELY not my intention. I honestly always thought the restriction was in place for the reasons I stated. I obviously was wrong. - Tamar Weinberg

Allen: we're not talking about the limit. That's not what pissed me off about Tamar's statements (the Facebook limitation is there due to a technical problem with doing too many database joins, not because Mark Zuckerberg thinks you should only have 5,000 people in your social graph). She thinks it's stupid of anyone to have more than a few hundred friends on Facebook if you read her statements (she seems to have now backed away from that statement and belief). - Robert Scoble

Tamar: OK, now we're getting somewhere. The ONLY way you can define friends online is "someone you want in your social graph." If that's what you now believe I will apologize for going ballistic on you. - Robert Scoble

I've been on Facebook since April 2004, though, and I do understand the earlier mindset of the users on the service, so it's an interesting dilemma for me. A lot of people see *me* at 1400+ friends as a "friend whore." It's a completely different type of world out there, Robert. - Tamar Weinberg

Robert, locking me into a corner and asking me to "define friend" and "people you know" and then calling me a jerk for imparting my own opinion onto the subject also "crosses the line," if you will. Should I have ignored you? No, I responded with a personal opinion. - Tamar Weinberg

Tamar: and, again, anyone who tries to define how you use a service by calling you a "friend whore" is wrong and is a jerk. I won't back down off of that. Who made THEM "queens" of the social graph? - Robert Scoble

I think this clash of the titans counts as a bit more than a "ripple effect" -- "storm in a teacup" perhaps.. :-) - Tim Ostler

lets clarify terms - there are "friends" and there's a "social marketing graph" - Allen Stern

Tamar: I did that because you were setting yourself up as the "friend rule" maker. You were wrong to do that. So are your friends who call you names. - Robert Scoble

Allen: no. Online there is no difference. There is just ONE social graph I can have. A "friend" (online) is someone I want on that social graph. My reasoning DOES NOT MATTER. Facebook does NOT ask me "are you putting this person on your social graph because you slept with this person, or are you marketing to him/her?" Funny, Plaxo does sort of ask me to categorize people that way, though. - Robert Scoble

Robert, no, I don't think it's a position of mine to make "friend rules." ;) I'll go back to clarify, though: I thought FB had a restriction about friends, and then you asked about that friendship, and instead of going off with what I thought was FB's perception, I went off with my own. Sorry if you confused the two, but I really was NOT trying to tell you how to use the service. That's definitely not my place. - Tamar Weinberg

Let's use a simple model from economics: As the number of friend connections increases, the value of each individual friend connection is lower. - coldbrew

Tamar: good, now that you say that I'm sorry for calling you a jerk. - Robert Scoble

coldbrew: it's not a zero sum game. You are totally wrong. Adding 5,000 people to my social graph does not make my relationship with @maryamie any different. - Robert Scoble

I think everyone can agree Facebook has done a *fabulous* job at designing a service millions of people will use regularly even though it has fallen short of some people's expectations/ product implementation preference and questions loom about its revenue potential. Ok, everyone probably can't agree with that either but only because this is the internet :-) - Robert Seidman

Thank you. - Tamar Weinberg

It is a matter of discretion. I just got back from a kids bday party where I asked all the adults (~30, all professionals, non- tech related) how many FB friends they had. For everyone it was between 200 and 300. If I see that you will friend almost anyone, I'm likely to view that friend connection as "less special". I'm not sure why you want to make this a binary thing (i.e. friend or not friend) when there are obviously gradations. - coldbrew

Robert, Facebook does ask you what friend list to put them in (if you have lists). Most people IRL share more with close family and friends than they do to their fans, and many on FB do as well. So online it Does matter. - LogEx

Logical: yeah, here on friendfeed I use lists too. coldbrew: you're still wrong. Adding more people actually makes EVERYONE more valuable. Why? Because you can connect a wider range of people together. I know a guy on Twitter who runs a supply chain in China. I know another guy in Barcelona who owns a shipping company. If I only had one of those on my social graph I couldn't make much happen. But both together? Much more value for all of us. - Robert Scoble

coldbrew: I have a list of just my family here on friendfeed. Obviously I treat them differently than I treat you. But the fact that you are on my social graph here does not take ANYTHING away from them. In fact it adds to them. - Robert Scoble

as much as i hate to push this further as i have work to do, explain how your contacts on twitter help me "much more value for all of us" ? - Allen Stern

Hmm, I see your point. But, there is still something I can't put my finger on that you seem to be ignoring. - coldbrew

Allen: because I can get DMs from a much wider range of people than other people can. They might ask me to connect them with you. Or, I can see a wider range of inputs coming into TweetDeck so I can give you better information or tell you news before anyone else can. - Robert Scoble

coldbrew: I ignore a lot of things here, you gotta focus when you can only type a couple hundred characters at a time. The thing is these are tools and should be as flexible as possible so everyone can use them as they see fit. Why are you all here on friendfeed? Is it because you found some limitation on some other tool? That's why I'm here. - Robert Scoble

SNN = Scoble News Network - Allen Stern

I always thought it meant "Stern News Network." - Robert Scoble

first step in the evolution of social graph: quantity, second step of social graph: filtering quantity to provide targeted added value, third step: quality over quantity. obviously we are still rooting for quantity, or at least most of us on most networks. that will change though. for sure. - Pascal Bouvier

Facebook should quit being tech-smart and human-stupid http://dawnsplan.wordpress.com/2009... - Dawn

Facebook MUST implement messaging options first. Where are the opt-outs? Spam filters? Priorities. - Mona Nomura

i wish they would implement groups on facebook. accessing your friends list gave you "family" "friends" "twitter" or whatever, then you could yes, limit access so a boss doesnt see your twitter updates and a complete stranger i occasionally chat to on here doesn't see my flickr list for example.. - Terry O'Fee

Uhhhhh... you can... http://www.allfacebook.com/2009... Privacy Setting Number 1. - Mona Nomura

Wow - FriendFeed really needs threaded comments - this conversation would be so much easier to follow with that. - Jesse Stay

@Mona: i suspect FB has their own priorities - .LAG liked that

Robert, I have to say I'm on your side here (while, with both sides I don't think anyone is a jerk or idiot). The great thing about Facebook, as compared to other networks, is that you *can* use it how you want. I can set my privacy settings so that those I see every day see different things than those that I don't. That's what I love about it. It gives me a way to organized those people I'm associated with. Twitter, MySpace, LinkedIn, and others all don't give that to me. - Jesse Stay

I don't get any messages from Facebook like I do with say - Tom from Myspace. Groups / events send me messages - and I am not a part of them. WTF is that about? I also get messages from strangers, mass messages, etc. They MUST implement a spam filter and opt-out options. Period. - Mona Nomura

but your friends list is still grouped into one page. wouldnt it be handy instead of individualy saying "this person has this" "this person has that" then "okay THIS person i'm wary of. they can go in my already pre-defined list" as you go to your friends page, know what i mean? when you check your friends page now its all one friends page - Terry O'Fee

If you have >5,000 friends then they're not real friends anyway. Facebook is not a place to massage your ego and I hope it never becomes one. - Bryce, Low in Sodium

Just add them onto the list as you confirm them... - Mona Nomura

oh come on bryce... the egos will be fed wherever they go. they're shouldnt be a rule on how to use facebook. - Terry O'Fee

sorry, saw that bit mona. :P still be cool to have an option where say "really busy, just check my family friends section and off to work" - Terry O'Fee

mona - TOM! gah the bane of all us past myspace users :P - Terry O'Fee

Bryce - social networking and 'friends' are relative. It's not up to you to judge and decide what 'real friends' are and aren't. - Mona Nomura

Well Facebook's de facto mission statement (on their homepage) is "Facebook helps you connect and share with the people in your life." I really don't think that many people would have >5 or >6k "people in [their] life" so their shouldn't be so much pressure on Facebook to raise their limits. - Bryce, Low in Sodium from IM

Again, that depends on individuals and how THEY choose to use a Social Networking site. There are MANY who need more than the 5k cap. I don't see why that should even be an issue. (Aside from spammers) I just want more messaging options. - Mona Nomura

I want more granular privacy controls on the wall (especially), networks, basic and personal info, and what non-friends can see if I reply to their message. - LogEx

Agreed. More granular privacy and overall control over your profile, pictures etc. would be nice. - Amir

Flickr tried to cap your number of comments at 5,000 a few years back but ended up changing it to a 5,000 non-reciprocal contact limit when people freaked out over it. - Thomas Hawk

I dissapear for twelve hours and you're still going on about this. Forget the 5000, its the fifty you can converse with that matter. - Richard A.

This copyright issue seems like a much more important matter but I don't see it much talked about here yet: New laws that arrive in New Zealand on 28th February mean anyone *ACCUSED* three times of copyright infringement gets their internet connection disconnected. http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha... No facebook friends, no internet, nothing. - jjprojects

to be fair, JJ this convo started long before this news went around, but you're right. it seems a lot of friendfeed is feeding people egos, talking about itself and memes. have a look at the whole bushfires in australia. how many of you on here even knew about it? - Terry O'Fee

I think the bushfires were headline news in many countries, but yeah, twitter took the lead there, and Duncan Riley did a good job with it everywhere :) Also, just thought I'd try and hijack this thread to bring attention to it. You can banish me now people but I don't care, it needs attention. - jjprojects

it's more important jj. i agree, in the long run who gives a shit about how many people you can add ?? - Terry O'Fee

I wish SNs had levels of friends/connections built-in (like Facebook's Circle of Friends). When I'm business-networking, I easily pick up 20-100 contacts at any workshop, and I have boxes of 3-ring-binders of contacts, but I don't want those cluttering all of my Facebook. How do I track 20 past & present close friends, 500 friends, 500 high school acquaintances, 1,000 musicians, 2,000 dancers, 2,000 college acquaintances, 50,000 work contacts (including 1,000 people I actually worked with...)? - Mitchell Tsai

For me, Facebook and LinkedIn are working like white-pages. So many people I once knew are popping out of the woodwork to say hello. Friends, acquaintances, card-playing buddies, high school classmates, clients, work colleagues, professors, etc... If I'm curious about what's happened to them in the past 5-30 years, it's a lot of fun accept their "friend" request & see what they've been doing. :-) - Mitchell Tsai

the 5000 limit might be ridiculous - but so is anyone with more than 5k friends on facebook - Peter Efland

I have 300+ FB, 300+ FF, 500+ Twitter Followers, 5000+ LI friends - Daniel W. Crompton

I'm at 4900 and now having to screen requests. It sucks that my "profile" can't be converted to a "page". It doubly sucks because "pages" don't work even to a usable level on my blackberry. FB doesn't even bother to inform you of this, or even own up to the problem anywhere. What a waste of time and effort. - Faisal Qureshi

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Feeling good about my selection of wine, based on what had the fewest bottles left on the shelf.

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"Because the fabric is degraded in the dying process, it is normal to see a few small holes in the garment, and for them to develop more quickly after wash and wear." Isn't that awesome!? The shirt falls apart extra fast on purpose! - Chris Glass

Just to be clear, here, I'm liking the Glass Response, not American Apparel. Which, again for clarity's sake, is ass. - colleen wainwright

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@monkchips If I'm to lead a "Tribe", it needs to be for MUCH better reasons than "Please buy my lithographs, they're very nice etc."

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Do Not Make Me Come Over There...

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Hey Apple, I live about 10 minutes from your headquarters. If I can't figure this out and stop feeling like a complete moron by 11 tonight... you can expect a surprise visit in the morning. - Louis Gray from email

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LOL! LG: invest in an external HD! - Mona Nomura

@Mona I second that. - Kyle Lacy

Backups are painful. I should write a Python script for incremental backups. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

FAIL. - Kyle Lacy

That doesn't look good - Mike Doeff

Happens all the time. Nobody notices cause they're all wound up in MobileMe issues. - Michael Markman

@possible, python? a simply on-line (albeit, maybe long) rsync is all anyone needs for backup. - ·[▪_▪]·

Louis, if you do go over there, I want footage! - Justin Korn

I second that - Kyle Lacy

superduper for the mac ,, louis ,, - johnpiercy

also the forums at www.screencastonline.com will always come to your rescue - johnpiercy

Louis I'm having a lot of trouble with Time Machine, too - in line with what Michael said, there are several known issues with TM but they just aren't a priority for Apple at the moment.... the discussion threads at Apple.com are buzzing with two or three consistent, known TM issues but no solves (other than going in and deleting backups and making it restart.) - Anthony Citrano

I've been using Retrospect since the late 80's when it was called DiskFit from Dantz Development. When it is setup properly and when it runs regularly, it will restore your HD perfectly to a new drive after a disk failure. I've seen this happen countless times. Retrospect is an expert tool for expert restoration. It just works. It's not easy to learn. Time Machine is beyond easy -- but let's see how it compares to Retrospect's record of successful restores in the next 20 years. - David Newman

I am having no problem with time machine, neener neener neener - anna sauce

Neener neener yourself, anna. :-) So far, totally worthless. - Louis Gray

Louis, as soon as you can figure it out - set up is the worst part, you'll never have to touch it again. Mine just works like magic now that I have it set up. - Jesse Stay

OMG! You have caused a rip in space-time continuum! - Jemm

I dare you to take your time capsule on your bike and roll up to Infinity Drive. - anna sauce

I've used Time Machine to restore my desktop twice: once using TM's automatic restore, and once manually. Saved my butt both times, though I'm seeing random errors from the drive that suggest I'll be reformatting it soon. Sorry you're having issues, Louis. If more people turned up in Apple's lobby with a box of hardware, maybe they'd pay more attention. ;-) - Chris Baskind

But Jesse the problem is that that's not true. I think that's Louis' point. Time Machine is plagued with issues. Thousands of users have set it up and found that it doesn't "just work like magic" at all. I am one of them, and as a fairly tech-savvy guy cannot get it working smoothly no matter what I do. Go over to Apple.com Discussions and see for yourself. - Anthony Citrano

Is there any chance that the prob is with your primary drive? i.e. the backup is failing because it can't copy corrupt data? Try a disk repair and permissions repair on your primary disk. Apologies if you have done this already. - Tom Raftery

hmm Ubuntu backs up fine :) - Fred Grott

I've been using the Time Capsule for about 6 months now. It's a piece of crap. You will not go one week without some problem occurring with the backups. Some tips: the name of the backup share and time capsule can't be more than like 20 or 30 characters: forget descriptive names. If you have a problem with it mounting, change the backup disk to none, then change it back to the backup share. If you like your sanity, don't bother with Time Capsule - Mark Trapp

@Tom, I'm repairing disk permissions right now. Before I go off on a rant, I'll try and see if this works. Hope so! Right now, Time Machine and Time Capsule are pretty useless. - Louis Gray

i gave up on "in home" backup and went to Mozy...so far so good. I don't care about my OS, as long as my media stay safe... - Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)

Sounds like maybe you got a dud? Exchange for a new one? - Jesse Stay from twhirl

Louis, repairing permissions may not be enough. If it is bad sectors on your primary drive, say, you will need to do a disk repair. Still, no harm trying the perms first and if that works, so much the better. - Tom Raftery from twhirl

Things like this suck since backup software shouldn't fail. - Daniel Schildt

@nicerobot: Yeah, rsync is pretty good for backup, but I would prefer something with a GUI. Today, I actually found a GUI for rsync backups (http://code.google.com/p...). - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Chris, it's the combination of both. Time Machine works great with a hard drive connected via Firewire or USB, and Time Capsule as a NAS is hard to screw up, but Time Machine accessing things over the network is an exercise in frustration. Time Machine sucks at reliably auto-mounting AFP shares and preserving permissions on those shares. Given how long it took for Apple to support hard... more... - Mark Trapp

one word...superduper!...that is all...over. - Bob Blunk

Boom! It just works! Everyone's suggestions sound like you're troubleshooting a PC... :p - Johan

you blame the software but do you ever think that maybe your hardrive is killed? i use time machine all the time no problems - orionstarr

Orion, it's highly possible there's an issue with the drive. I don't know that I made a distinction with the software. Something between Time Capsule and Time Machine is borked. - Louis Gray

It sounds very much like a broken drive. My time capsule was very easy to set up. - Jesse Stay from twhirl

Now starting to work. I erased the disk and restarted the process (again), Fingers crossed - Louis Gray

Did you lose everything? - orionstarr

Remember of the old days of backing up on cd roms, dvds, jazz disk, zips etc... a 250 gig zip disk used to be a monster! - orionstarr

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"I think some people want to show they are following a lot because it means they are more social-media aware than others, even though it's impossible to be part of a "conversation" with thousands of people -- at least not in any real meaning of the term." - mathew ingram

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The fact that HRC cancelled her media appearances this morning is a very good sign that she's going to get behind Obama now.

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One would have thought this would have happened a long time ago, rather than to keep going on and exhaust both parties both mentally and financially. - cmiper

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I find it hard to believe HRC will concede until the DNC at the very earliest. Her self-interest needs outweigh the Democratic party at-large. - Scott Jarkoff

As an outsider....she looks a bit mental doesn't she. That forced smile creeps me out. I'm sure she actually very nice....but eeegggghhhh. - Chris Nixon from twhirl

Yes Chris, the media always picks the *best* photos the can find to represent her. ;-) - cmiper

This just makes me very sad today Right now I only see 1 way I will not vote for McCain in November - sorry, there is just something about Obama I do not trust, and I hope in the next few years I'm not sitting here saying, at least I didn't vote for him just like I didn't vote for his predecessor. :( And, I can assure you I am not the only one who feels this way. - Paula Hawk

I know what you mean Paula. How can you trust someone who refuses PAC and special interest money, has the courage not to pander to voters with a bogus gas tax repeal, and opposed an immoral war from the very start. This guy sounds dangerous. He might actually do something in office. - Leo Laporte

Love the sarcasm, Leo, allows me to see you in a new light and reinforces to me that I've been right all along to keep my viewpoints to myself. So sorry to have gotten involved in this HRC bashing. :( - Paula Hawk

Obama is the only one I trust to do the right thing. HRC will just say anything to get the vote, but she'll continue the same failed politics. McSame will just give us 4 more years of Bush's politics. - Mike Hussein Cohen from Alert Thingy

Mike, I see your point with McCain, but in my eyes it is him or throw my vote completely away on Nader.... Those same failed politics you are speaking of worked very well in the 1990s - for those of you old enough to recall, who did we all say was running the White House at that time anyhow? I was working with the federal government during this time, and I recall the amazement at the... more... - Paula Hawk

I'm sorry you see my post as "Hillary bashing." In fact, it is not. I am sad to see HRC go. I would have gladly voted for her had she won the nomination. My real problem is with the notion that since, for some undefined reason you "don't trust" Obama, you would consider casting a vote for McCain. Set aside McCain's self-professed ignorance on the economy, and hawkish position on Iraq. The next president will fill at least two, maybe three Supreme Court seats, giving him or her a huge and lasting impact. - Leo Laporte

Paula, I think you misunderstood the statement. Obama is in a a unique position to change the face of the Presidency because he's been on 'both sides of the fence' and could unite the country like no other. To me, that's very attractive because that's exactly what this country needs... A leader that people can rally behind. I just happen to agree with his political stances as well, with lobbyist being the scourge of progression. HRC is 'old politics'... McCain is really old politics. - Vince DeGeorge

I wouldn't vote for HRC if she got the nomination. She's every bit as bad as McSame. In that case I would stay home on election day rather than vote for either of them. - Mike Hussein Cohen from Alert Thingy

Paula let's get it right: "You know, I'm somebody who is born to a white mother and a, and an African father. It's in my DNA to believe that we can bring this country together and that the people are the same under the skin. And that's what I've been fighting for all my life, and, you knowto a large degree, everything that I've done as a community organizer, everything that I've done as... more... - Leo Laporte

Paula, I think it's pretty obvious now that you're a crypto-Republican, misquoting Obama to fuel racist mistrust on McCain's behalf. I expect we'll see a lot more of that through November. If you really are a HRC supporter, I would hope you would chose this time to start talking issues and stop feeding these specious doubts. - Leo Laporte

Good point, Leo. It's great for everyone to have their own way of looking at this race, and some people will, unfortunately, decide to vote against their best interests for whatever reason - hell, middle-class Republicans have been doing it for years - but the idea of putting words into Obama's mouth simply in order to try to bash him with them and, as you point out, fuel racist mistrust, is frankly despicable, if not downright Rovian. - Brad Farris from Alert Thingy

Very interesting to see this much discussion on this topic. I'm in a very conservative state, (ND) and many Republicans here are looking to Obama as a chance. Most don't trust McCain and they surely don't trust HRC. Every time anyone has ever asked me why Obama I've said. "It's a difference in how they conduct politics." HRC and McCain represent old Washington politics. Honestly... more... - Bryan

WOW I've been called a lot of things in my life, but never a Republican or a crypto-Republican. I said I read an article discussing Obama being on TV, I did not watch the show, I did not read the article any further, but I know that the post I was reading was written by someone who has staunchly supported Obama for the past several months. Call me names if you must. I hope it makes you all feel better. - Paula Hawk

Vince, wanted to make sure I thank you, from the direct quote, yes, I must have misread something, or something was miswritten. And, I just wanted to add, that no one has even bothered much to give me a reason to want to vote for Obama, just to not associate with most of you involved with this conversation. - Paula Hawk

Paula, the most important part of this whole affair is discussion. It's fantastic to see people "talk" politics and really be involved. No, name calling is not necessary in any case. If this election has taught us anything, it's that people, when pushed, are VERY passionate about what they believe in. This debate, no matter which side you stand is very healthy and much better than the apathy that resulted in Bush's re-election. I urge everyone to go beyond the "media" and really look. - Vince DeGeorge

Thanx Vince. In all seriousness, I have waited 8 years for HRC to run, and dammit, I'm pissed as hell that she has blown it the way she has. I know she is better than these silly 'faux pas' she has been making over the past several months. I also know that it is time to accept that HRC has blown it, I accepted that fact before the PA primaries. :( Since then, I have tried to read... more... - Paula Hawk

I like you Leo, I do. You work hard and your a good guy and you do a lot for new media. But honestly, you have to be kidding. I didn't realize anyone really used the term "crypto-anything" as more than a punchline for paranoia. Sadly it just adds to the growing impression I have that your biases really do cloud your commentary on technical (and now political) issues. - Soulhuntre

As an Obama supporter.Odd as it may be, I actually appreciate the "intense" campaign HRC ran. It served to prepare him for the assaults he will likely be the target of all the way until November. Not only that but it gave us, the voters, the opportunity to see him operate under pressure and address some of the most volatile topics in American society. So for that, hats off to her. That being said, it's time to step aside and work towards unifying the Democratic Party. - Geoff Schultz

Paula completely misquoted Obama. He didn't say his DNA would make him a better president he said: "You know, I'm somebody who is born to a white mother and a, and an African father. It's in my DNA to believe that we can bring this country together and that the people are the same under the skin." Completely different than what you heard. I don't understand when people say they don't... more... - Patrick Binder

Patrick, it's a feeling. Can't help it. We all have feelings and we all have our right to feel whatever it is that we feel. Great thing about living in America is that we have the right to express those feelings as we wish. Thank you for the direct quote again, someone else beat you to the punch and slapped me down for misinterpreting a third party review of the interview. You want something to discuss, please see the Wall Street Journal link I gave above. Or, give me a reason YOU like Obama over HRC.. - Paula Hawk

I don't need a soundbite reason to distrust someone... humans make judgments on many, many factors. Tone of voice, cadence, word choice, facial expressions, eye movement, body language.... further, we refine those judgments the more we see of someone. There is also the totality of integrating all that into all the knowledge we have of someone. - Soulhuntre

My feelings about Obama including my distrust come from the totality of my experience with him, not a sentence or a soundbite. Just like many who find him charismatic do so from the totality of their "Obama experience". Fortunately few people judge someone only on the words they actually say - or we would all be trivially easy to fool. - Soulhuntre

Paula: Obama seems to get it. He talks about and I hope he could deliver the ability to unify this nation because it is severely fractured. Who knows if it could be done, but atleast he is willing to try. That is the big reason. I also like that he is running a more clean/positive campaign than HRC. His campaign is also being run very well. AND he doesn't have his hands as deep in lobbyist's pockets. - Patrick Binder

Who the hell am I kidding...I am actually basing my vote on the best looking website...and Obama is clearly ahead of the competition. HRC's website is better now, but is still too cluttered. THESE are the real issues ;) I like HRC, but her campaigning tactics have turned me away. - Patrick Binder

Leo Laporte

I've been gone a long time. Is Obama president yet?

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actually Leo, we are owned by News Corp now and Murdoch made himself KING! :) - Jeff Garlick

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Leo, didn't you hear Diebold accidentally leaked the results (http://twurl.nl/mq3ej4) - Aaron Holverson

Not yet, and I'm pretty bitter about it. - Vince DeGeorge

@Vince Good one. ...via AlertThingy - Rolf Schewe

Practically. ...via AlertThingy - Bwana ☠

How could someone who likes orange juice over coffee ever be president? It's downright unpatriotic! - Nathan Manley

Great. All we need now is President Cornholio. Stick to the juice Barack. ...via AlertThingy - Rolf Schewe

@Nathan Manley as a dual citizen who has spent about equal time in Germany and the U.S. I can only say: American coffee is for the birds. What othe shortcomings does the future pres have? ...via AlertThingy - Alex von Halem

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