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Conservative Oasis
A place for interacting with other Conservatives, Republicans, Libertarians, and operatives of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
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Obama's Afghan Plan: About 40K More Troops - CBS News - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories...
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Fwd: Leave Cao Alone, He had To Defect On Health Care - http://www.thehotjoints.com/2009...
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Commentary » Blog Archive » Could “Secondary Trauma” Have Driven Him to Shooting? - http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs...
Fwd: Health care reform opponents reach new lows as "....Teabaggers attack Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel" ~ http://www.americablog.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/sofarso...)
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WellPoint Studies Show ObamaCare Increases Costs - WSJ.com - http://online.wsj.com/article...
Brian, MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) and Roberto Bonini liked this
Of course WellPoint studies are going to "show" that...it's in their interest to do so. Never mind that private insurers have already noted that they WILL raise premiums in (timing) conjunction with reform, to make it appear as though the hikes are a result of the reform. It's a scare tactic to keep control in the hands of big insurance...which is costing the nation more in waste and poor health care coverage and practice than any reform will EVER cost us.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
But if they raise rates a lot, people will just switch to the public option.
- Andrew C
Exactly, Andrew. And because of that reality the prices will not increase exponentially.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
That is not going to be the case, the Gov option will be deliberetely under priced for the purpose of getting people on the Gov plan as I am sure that many employers will be happy to unload people onto the Gov plan to save a buck and all the while we will not see an equivalant increase in our pay so in effect we will see our compensation reduced. To suggest that the Gov will magically...
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- Brian
from FreshFeed
To put the $170,000 into perspective that would pay for my health care premiums for 34 years! I find it amazing that people want us to believe that Gov will be cheaper when they have saddled every US citizen with the equivalent of 34 years of private health care premiums even after taking 15% of our lifetime earnings!
- Brian
from FreshFeed
$170K thats one ride in ambulance to ER, admission Cardio Intensve Care and that triple bypass
- WarLord
Doesn't matter, Obama care passes defeated filibustered whatever - "for profit" healthcare is unsustainable I give it 5 years and Medicare will be extended to all ages
- WarLord
Another thing that bugs me is how the left say that private insurance is so bad and wasteful yet nobody from their side has seen that as an opportunity to enter the market themselves and provide a better service which would trounce all over the current flock of wasteful, evil insurance COs. They have billionaires like Soros, Google founders, Jobs willing to poor 100s of millions funding Dem campaigns yet they can't and will not fund a venture with so much obvious potential?
- Brian
from FreshFeed
Brian my union is self funded in our health care insurance for our members but then the right aint much for unions doing good so its pointless to call you on the dumbness of your statement. Oddly enough the day we went self funded the insurance company we'd been using rebid the contract at a 50% reduction in their fee. Amazing coincidence
- WarLord
Funny how the crickets are chirping...
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
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Hot Air » Blog Archive » Report: Hasan attended same radical mosque as 9/11 hijackers; Update: “He was a typical fundamentalist Muslim” - http://hotair.com/archive...
So heres the key question: If Osama and his AQ are able to brainwash an Americna citizen into becoming a terrorist and then use him to plan and launch an attack on American Soil in TEXAS inside a huge US Army post than what exactly is the purpose of the American incursion into Afghanistan.Not to prevent organizing planning of terrorist activities... Clearly we are out flanked by open source insurgency #4GW
- WarLord
American Thinker Blog: Obama snubs Ft. Hood to relax at Camp David (updated) - http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...
Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
Move along, nothing to see here!
- Spencer
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The Hole at the Heart of Our Strategy by Mark Steyn on National Review Online - http://article.nationalreview.com/...
Russellreno and Scott Green liked this
Mark Steyn would be more convincing if he acknowledged that violent terrorists have emerged from all three major branches of the Abrahamic tradition -- Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Steyn is not a big thinker -- he's a two-bit propagandist and inciter. I would love to debate him here on these issues. But most neocons tend to run for the hills when confronted with intellectual...
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- Sean McBride
I correlated the information found at http://www.facebook.com/l... with the chart found at http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.... You can view the updated graphic at...
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Pajamas Media » Fort Hood Massacre: A Day of Courage and Cowardice - http://pajamasmedia.com/blog...
David C. Cooper liked this
So, what would you have done if it was a Christian shouting "God Is Great" before killing 12 and wounding 30, what would you have done if it was a Jew shouting "Elohim Gadol", what would you have done if it was an atheist shouting "Hey Look, Chocolate Chip Cookies"? Religion has nothing to do with this shooting, unless Hasan admits that he indeed is a Jihadist. Until then, I feel for you, you xenophobic, zealous fear & hate mongering jumping to conclusions fringer.
- Rene Wirtz
How could you possibly come to the conclusion that religion had nothing to do with this? You libs are so damn blind about this stuff. You can't bring yourself to admit that radical Muslims live among us. Religion had EVERYTHING to do with this.
- Chris Jones
Yes, so what, muslims live among us. Are they all Jihadist now? Do you really believe that? Should we just deport or jail everyone who is muslim? I find religious zealots equally threatening, whether they are Christians, Jews, Muslims or whatever organized crime, whoops, religion, they belong to.
- Rene Wirtz
Chris, same question I addressed to Spencer in your other moronic thread...: would you react so stupidly if his name was western and he killed people based on Christian ideology? Or are you one of those morons who sees abortion clinic bombings as "God's will"? Terrorism comes in many forms, and is not limited to those with "Muslim-sounding names".
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
How has anybody acted "stupidly"? There's no problem to piss on anything related to a cross or Christianity, but we cannot say ONE WORD about islam. The fact is this guy was islamic, he praised suicide bombings, and he killed soliders while screaming islamic phrases. Yeah, lets put our head in the sand and ignore it. Sorry, but the left is so naive.
- Spencer
I agree 100% with Rene.
- Ian May
Spencer, you're an idiot. Really. So what if he was Muslim? Deflecting my specific question and turning it BACK to what you want to focus on answered the question for you. Good job.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Attacking Muslims as a whole for the behavior of Nidal Hasan would be exactly like attacking Christians as a whole for the behavior of George W. Bush (he launched the most disastrous war in American history under the belief he was fighting Armageddon) or attacking Jews as a whole for the behavior of Bernard Madoff (Madoff was a leading member of the Jewish establishment). Bush and...
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- Sean McBride
Thanks Denise, your insult is common among the left lately. Regardless, I can't answer your question because I have seen nothing "stupidly". The question should be asked to you. If it was a Christian would you not be associating it with the "wingnuts". Why do we have to ignore the fact that he is islamic and that it may have had motive with the shootings?
- Spencer
I haven't seen an update today, but I read that the feds did have an eye on him because of his talk about suicide bombings and the like. I would bet they couldn't approach him because they would be labeled as "racists" or something.
- Spencer
And yet, the feds waited all this time to do anything about it (and now it is too late), makes you wonder if they were just throwing oil on the fire, doesn't it?!
- Rene Wirtz
Spencer, you're spouting a typical circular argument. There is no insult here - just pointing a plain and simple fact of idiocy. When "Christians" commit those sorts of atrocities - I most certainly DO call it wingnuttery...and worse: TERRORISM. Try educating yourself...otherwise, as I noted elsewhere, you're wasting time.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
By bringing religion to the argument you have de facto lost the argument!
- Rene Wirtz
Thanks for proving my point. Once again, naive liberals.
- Spencer
And thanks for proving mine, since I'm not a liberal - but you most certainly are an idiot.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Thank you. When a liberals, oh sorry, progressive maybe, results to insults that only shows they can't win the argument through logical discussion. Now go, Al Gore needs you to go buy some carbon credits.
- Spencer
Oh please, enough already with the weak attempt at political labelling, Spencer. Go find a hobby that you can actually figure out. Maybe underwater basketweaving.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Funny that you mention "logical" and "discussion" in the same sentence, because you can't seem to do either.
- Rene Wirtz
Haha....crazy moonbats. :)
- Spencer
Aaaaaand another useful response.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Come on Spencer, try a little harder. We all know how you really feel. Don't hold back, please. I, for one, thinks you're a waste of space and a sorry excuse for a human being and a perfect good example of why abortion is a good thing. See, it's really not that difficult ... you gotta have the balls, though.
- Rene Wirtz
Genuine testicular fortitude is not a trait common to wingnutters, Rene. This is not a big surprise to anyone...*giggle*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Well, to be honest, most liberal women I have ran into have a set of balls unfortunately. ;)
- Spencer
Yet another conversation that proves I'm glad to have blocked Rene and Denise :)
- Craig Eddy
Intimidating much?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Ah Craig only blocked us AFTER this conversation, otherwise I wouldn't have seen the comment. Good job, Craig Eddy - lol!
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Regardless, as long as fringer racist haters like Spencer, Craig, David and Noah are posting to US Politics they're gonna run into us, because I will keep calling BS whenever I see it, and fact of the matter is that pretty much anything that eminates from these "people" is utter and odious bovine scatology *grin*
- Rene Wirtz
Months from now when Fort Hood turns out to be "Blue Suicide" the Bachmann followers going to come back here and recant this... I'm guessing not
- WarLord
@WarLord: of course they are not going to recant this, because they never really meant it this way, we just misunderstood them.
- Rene Wirtz
Rene, well said - all of your comments in this conversation.
- jcunwired
*bows* I try, I try ...
- Rene Wirtz
If this Fort Hood attack was a religious based Islamic Terrorist attack on US soil in a military base doesn't it mean that 8 years of war in Iraq and AStan FAILED. Gitmo FAILED all the other wiretaps and torure rendition predators FAILED to make us safer. 8 years of Cheney Failed since Osama could reach out into the heartland of america and kill.
- WarLord
Spencer, never underestimate the liberal's ability to completely ignore logic and reason. Besides, Rene and Denise are the husband and wife troll team. They constantly attack anyone with conservative opinions. Their typical M.O. is to try to bait you into a discussion, then they hurl insults at you while you waste time and energy trying to reason with them. They are a prime example of whom we are fighting in our own country to keep America free.
- David C. Cooper
The other trolls in this thread aren't worthy of mention. >.>
- David C. Cooper
David, genuine intelligent conservatism is ALWAYS welcome; you, however, represent neither intelligence nor conservatism - and you're in NO way genuine. Go crawl back under your rock.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
LOL, thanks for proving my point Denise. ^^
- David C. Cooper
Nothing could be further from authentic American conservatism than messianic ethno-religious nationalism and fundamentalism.
- Sean McBride
David you just had to be a dick. You know, I was one of the few people in this particular group who actually took the time to defend you. And people here know it. I actually tried to prove Rene wrong by being polite and civil to you -- but my husband was right about you after all. You're in a group where you choose to act like a complete jackass 99.9% of the time, and then have the audacity to call anyone else a troll. Very rich. Asshole.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
David Cooper is allied with Christian Zionist political forces that are hell-bent on turning America into a fundamentalist theocracy -- he is hardly fighting for our freedoms -- quite the contrary. Judeo-Christian fascism and traditional American freedoms are not remotely compatible.
- Sean McBride
@David: ah, nevermind. Sucks seeing the same tactics you use, doesn't it. Anyway, not wasting any more words on your ignorane, hate, racism, exceptionalism, bigotism, fascism and zealous behavior. And at least Denise and I are actually two people, as opposed you and that coward alter ego of yours, piltord! Or is David the coward? Hmmmm, the conundrum!
- Rene Wirtz
Doesn't really matter which, come to that. Whichever identity he goes by, he is a coward. His duplicity and disingenuous tactics had to be shown by another user...which was brilliantly entertaining to watch...but there was no way he would have openly admitted it without the evidence as clearly presented as it was.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
@David Yes, these are typical liberals. I would almost feel sorry for them, but they choose to be ignorant.
- Spencer
Spencer: you just wrote in Conservative Oasis: "The moonbats are out in the full force today. As always, doing what they can to defend islamic terrorists." I haven't seen anyone "defend Islamic terrorists" -- please provide some examples. I *have* seen many people, from all across the political spectrum (not just "liberals"), argue that smearing all Muslims on the basis of the behavior...
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- Sean McBride
Likely, Sean, he won't answer with anything relevant. He's so caught up spinning around in his echo chamber (accusing others of head-in-the-sand, moonbat, kool-aid drinking behavior) that he fails to see where his ignorant hypocrisy has blinded him to what people "like us" keep trying to point out - and that it has nothing to do with "defending Islamic terrorists" - which is ridiculous to even suggest, of course. *smirk*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
To be honest, I have never seen Spencer engage in rational conversation on Friendfeed, and I have encouraged him to do so several times. Typically he disappears when he finds himself unable to defend his beliefs in a logical manner.
- Sean McBride
Your "rational" is different than others obviously. If I remember correctly, Sean thinks Jimmy Carter is someone to listen to. I haven't smeared the entire islamic religion, I simply made a factual point that some people are afraid to admit. They are either afraid of "offending" someone, or are just afraid to admit the truth. It is factual to say that islam has a problem with radicals and with so-called "moderates".
- Spencer
And yet you still evade the actual question Sean asked you...why is that? He asked you, point-blank, "I haven't seen anyone "defend Islamic terrorists" -- please provide some examples. I *have* seen many people, from all across the political spectrum (not just "liberals"), argue that smearing all Muslims on the basis of the behavior of a few Muslims is bigoted, unfair and un-American....
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
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To MSNBC the Least Important Thing about Killer Army Doctor is He was a Muslim Who Lauded Suicide Bombers: Meltdown with Keith Olbermann Part 14 « NewsReal Blog - http://newsrealblog.com/2009...
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I wonder what took you so long. All together now: "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!" Post flagged as #hate!
- Rene Wirtz
@Chris: I guess you are one of those idiots who thinks terrorism is limited to "them"...
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Terrorism isn't limited to "them", nor one religion. However, only a fool would not see the relation between violence and islam.
- Spencer
I also see a very clear relation between christians and violence and jews and violence, only a fool would not see those.
- Rene Wirtz
So if you can associate those two religions to violence, why stop when it comes to islam?
- Spencer
Way to miss the point, there, Sparky. He's pretty much referring to ANY religion that uses god as an excuse for unjustified murder. If you're too dense to pick up on that, then you have no business in any intelligent discussion on the matter.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
I'm not stopping it when it comes to islam. I want CID to close their investigation and confirm or deny that there is a relation between Hasan and a terrorist organization, before I already be his judge and juror.
- Rene Wirtz
@Denise, you are so far out there you can't even grasp reality. Mmmm'kay?
- Spencer
Ooooh good comeback. Here's a shiny star for you. *feigns impressed face* Why don't you try actually arguing with intelligence before you resort to discussing reality.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Chris, thanks for sharing that article. It was a very funny assessment of the abysmal hypocrisy and hatred spouted by the media's own radical left-wing poster boy Keith "No Ratings" Olbermann. I can't believe Olbermeister considered a story about the Obama/Pelosi/ReidCare bill protest at Capital Hill yesterday to be more important than the shooting at Ft. Hood. What a jerk.
- David C. Cooper
I would guess in the grand scheme of real life as opposed to rightist fantasy,the Fort Hood shooting is a blip not a huge incident certainly less important to all of us than Health Care or unemployemt or really my next meal. Rightist fantasy not withstanding a sadly sick person commiting suicide using the cops guns to do it is not earth shattering
- WarLord
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Audio: Mark Levin Goes After Media Matters - http://www.thehotjoints.com/2009...
Mark Levin is coming to this battle intellectually unarmed.
- Sean McBride
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Iran tested advanced nuclear warhead design – secret report | World news | The Guardian - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world...
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CBS & NBC Fail to ID Hasan as Muslim; ABC's Raddatz Relays: 'I Wish His Name was Smith' | NewsBusters.org - http://newsbusters.org/blogs...
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Flagged as #hate!
- Rene Wirtz
Hate? What? It's called facts, something the media doesn't report.
- Spencer
It is a fact that Hasan in muslim, but to immediately, without due process, label him as a jihadist, domestic terrorist is pure and unadulterated hate.
- Rene Wirtz
Spencer, would you react so stupidly if his name was western and he killed people based on Christian ideology? Or are you one of those morons who sees abortion clinic bombings as "God's will"? Terrorism comes in many forms, and is not limited to those with "Muslim-sounding names".
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
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The Weekly Standard Pelosi Breaks Pledge to Publish Bill Online for 72 Hours Before Vote #killbill - http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs...
Brian, Spencer and Craig Eddy liked this
Wow, even MORE broken promises from the radical left. Surprised? Not really. >.>
- pitlord
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Big Hollywood » Blog Archive » PBS Ombudsman: ‘Sesame Street’ Fox News Slam Crossed Line - http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolt...
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The Energizer Health Care Bill ....it keeps growingand gro and growing and growing..... 11/4/2009 - squareonemedia on Blog Talk Radio
#killbill - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/squareo...
midnightgolfer, Spencer and Craig Eddy liked this
eeeeyeah, the bill is growing, and that is (of course) a problem. not, however, as big a problem comparatively as the rate by which insurance is hiking their profits & exec salaries at the expense of recipients - both financially and to the detriment of their health. killbill? no effing way, brah...but you have fun.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Get your facts straight, insurance companies operate on a very small profit margin. They make even less money than railroads, cleaning product manufacturers and restaurants! http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2...
- pitlord
I once worked for an oil company that never turned a profit, funny how that works, Fact is that insurance companies make outrageous profits, they just know how to shield it.
- Rene Wirtz
revenue does not always equal profit
- pitlord
There we agree. But, I also know how to make a big profit "disappear", so it looks like the margins are really slim and this typically how companies that generate huge amounts of profits (oil ompanies, insurance companies, banks, investment banks, pharmaceutics) operate. Everyone knows that. If you really believe that insruance companies really operate on a small margin you are delusional.
- Rene Wirtz
The same accounting tricks are available to every industry. That doesn't change the insurance businesses' ranking on the list.
- pitlord
David, I used to work inside an HMO...I don't need to read any blog to know what the profit margins are. Nor am I remotely interested in what you're calling "facts" here - having experienced the reality first-hand.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Further, you're also forgetting another little lovely item known casually as monopoly. One facet of health care reform is breaking up the only industry that is exempt from anti-trust laws. We're not aiming to put private insurance companies out of business. The idea on that count is to level the playing field. It's yet another facet of this discussion where your "facts" are skewed.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Happy listening anyway.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
By all means, share with us your inside information about the insurance business. The problem is that a private company, like an insurance company, has a legal fiduciary duty to make a profit. They have no reason to hide their profit margins, if they are making money they crow about it from the highest rooftops to attract more investors. So show us how and why they are hiding profits from their investors.
- pitlord
As for a monopoly. How can any of them have a monopoly when they aren't even allowed to operate accross state lines? In fact, how can their be a "monopoly" when we refer to them in the plural? Doesn't that imply there is more than one of them? If you are so against a monopoly how would you feel about the government operated monopoly like the one Obama and his supporters are trying to...
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- pitlord
What you completely ignore, David, are the very problems with your assertions that you're trying to tout as positive facets. Yes, all businesses (including insurance companies) have a "duty" to make a profit. Nobody with any understanding of the nature of business would argue that point - although, some might question the ethics and morals of turning a profit at the expense of client...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Operating across state lines. Okay...I'm not sure if you're aware of *why* insurance companies cannot operate across state lines, and I don't know if you've ever tried to contact *your* state's insurance commissioner when you've ever had problems with your coverage. Only you can answer that question. Each state has certain regulatory compliance issues that govern who *beneficiaries* can...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
If even a fraction of the "denial of care," resulting in death and misery, that you constantly claim happened it would be front page news. Show me "tripling and quadrupling premiums" because nobody has even suggested that's the case. How convenient for you to claim a criminal conspiracy to rob people of their premiums without paying for services and then say you won't reveal your...
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- pitlord
Now your argument is that you didn't really mean "monopoly" and that I "ignored" their exemption from anti-trust laws. You didn't read my comment because I specifically said it was a great idea to hold them to anti-trust laws. The only problem is they aren't violating any. Again you make false claims that people are "dying and losing coverage" with absolutely nothing to support your...
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- pitlord
Preventing this bill to pass will lead to disaster. Don't like it, move! You and your vile ilk are holding the USA back, back in the 1800s. So, David C Cooper, what are you holding a PhD in? Or any degree? I told you before, I think you need to ask your education money back, you are the prime example of someone uneducated and misinformed.
- Rene Wirtz
Anybody who thinks the government would efficiently and wisely manage your healthcare is absolutely crazy. Regardless, government healthcare is un-Constitutional.
- Spencer
Inserting religious beliefs into law is unconstitutional! Separation of state in church, look it up, it's in there!
- Rene Wirtz
Rene, you got that backwards the government is not allowed to impose political beliefs on religious institutions. Religious belief is inherent in the law. Otherwise, the founders would never have recognized The Divine Creator in our founding documents you dumbass.
- pitlord
Pitlord, you may be right, but you don't help anything with the whole "dumbass" comment. Rene, "vile ilk" makes you sound like a sore winner to me. For the majority of my voting life, I have registered as a Republican. Right now, the law-making "ball" is so entirely in your court, it astounds me that your "ilk" waste time worrying about what my "ilk" even think, as you don't need a single Conservative or Republican to go along with you in order to get anything your hearts' desire passed as law right now.
- midnightgolfer
No worries. midnightgolfer, David and I have agreed to dislike each other with a passion. And pitlord is not right, he is interpreting the constitution to his needs. And I'm not gonna point it out either, because he will deny it anyway and twist my words, He knows this too.
- Rene Wirtz
"is interpreting the constitution to his needs" -- My wife's psychiatrist calls that "projecting" and I'm used to ignoring it, while at the same time not accepting it or "enabling" it.
- midnightgolfer
I have never attacked you on a personal level, and until now you've reciprocated, but this? *rolls eyes* David, how about this. You believe whatever you choose. My doctoral, by the way, isn't a PhD - it's a DM, and quite frankly, I already came out and said that you could interpret my statement however you chose - which you did, predictably. If you think I give a rat's ass about YOUR...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Midnightgolfer you have a good point. I recant comparing Rene to a silent pack animal. Also, I reaffirm my arguments against the radical Marxist agenda which is being supported by the arguments of Denise and Rene.
- pitlord
Rene nobody has to twist your words, you do a fine job of presenting a perverted distortion of reality all by yourself.
- pitlord
Denise, the fact that you veil your insults with sarcasm and innuendo doesn't make them any less personal. Think what you want, the fact remains that the American people are revolting against the disastrous healthcare legislation that this nightmarish Obama administration is trying to foist on the country.
- pitlord
David, I attack your *weak arguments* - I have never attacked YOU as an individual - either your education, your career, your whatever that is personal. Just your words. In fact, if we really want to go all the way back and look at the dialogue, yes, I'll cop to sarcasm. So the fuck what? You're no innocent patron saint on that count either. However, insulting? No. Like I said. Fuck...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Denise, I thoroughly trounced your "attack" on my arguments as invalid. Your claims of insurance company monopolies and profits were refuted and debunked. I provided references to outside sources to back up my arguments. How did you respond? You implied that you have inside information that you were unwilling to share for fear that it might hurt your job opportunities in the future. I...
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- pitlord
I owe YOU no answers, for you do not pay my salary. If (and that is a big if) I choose to disclose my experiences, it won't be to YOU. Go to hell, you worthless waste of oxygen. There, is that insulting enough for you?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
I call delusional worthless piece of shit? Did I win anything? OK, back to my regular schedule of baby eating ...
- Rene Wirtz
A brand new shiny paperclip, Rene...lol. That's about all this thread and its originator is worth anyway.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
*stares at the awesomeness of shiny paperclip*
- Rene Wirtz
There you go, attacking my "arguments" again. If by "arguments" you mean unalienable rights as endowed by our Creator. >.>
- pitlord
You're the one into creationism, moron. The level of stupidity required to actually believe that garbage is unfathomable. Go to donkeylove.com - try to figure out which you are, David...the attention whore or the ignorant ass.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
@David: Our creator? Please don't force your dog onto me, I find that unbelievably offensive. Whatever you believe you can do so in the privacy of your own house, family, circle of friends, temple dwellers, etc, but don't bore me with that.
- Rene Wirtz
That's the great thing about this country. Idiots like you don't get to tell people like me how to think or what to say. If I want to thank G-d for making me a free man in a free country it is my G-d given right and there isn't a damn thing you can do to stop me. If you don't like it there are plenty of g-dless, radical, left-wing countries that would be happy to have you (or maybe not so happy). I hear liberals rave about Cuba. That's a place you might want to consider. ><
- pitlord
But, maybe you're right. Maybe, you aren't one of G-d's creations. In fact, it's more likely that you evolved from some accumulation of matter in the corner of a glue factory.
- pitlord
You absolutely have the right to believe what you choose. You do not have the right to encroach on others' rights just because they don't share those beliefs. And others have the right to mock you for your stupidity as much as they choose - because mocking is not telling you what to think. Creationism as you define it is a regurgitation of other, far older myths. So before you call anyone else an idiot, maybe you might want to consider that you're a case of de-evolution. Generally the result of inbreeding.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
How many Tea Party members were able to rally against Fed GOV because RETIRED receiving Social Security and Medicare? Hypoctes or just plain dumb?
- WarLord
*sniffs glue* Ah, I can see clearly now.
- Rene Wirtz
*LOL* @Denise. You are correct: if one claims to be dog's creation, one can only be if there was inbreeding. Or, otherwise, one member has peed outside the pot and everyone is contaminated with imperfection. Flawless logic. Then again, David doesn't strike me as the kind of person who can think logically. Frankly, I don't think he thinks at all, he's just a spambot.
- Rene Wirtz
You are obviously viewing the story of creation from a western cultural perspective. There is nothing "mythological" nor incestuous about G-d's creating the universe. But, I have more pressing matters than debating the origin of the universe with you. Like groceries.
- pitlord
The last thing Cuba needs is more people like that. I personally extend an invitation for them to come over here to Spain, which is still relatively open-border. Based solely on what I've read here, they'd really fit in well, among certain circles, over here. If my sofa-bed, and my other spare bed weren't already occupied by my good-for-nothing inlaws, I'd even let them stay with me. As...
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- midnightgolfer
Oh good, David, you have an internet lover! Why don't you guys meet in the middle?
- Rene Wirtz
@midnightgolfer: please stay in Spain, there's enough fringers in the US.
- Rene Wirtz
Oh the irony of misusing the word "fringe" Conservatism is a majority, and growing. A fringe is the small edge of something larger. But don't worry, I'll wait til you leave, or are made irrelevant. But just in case there's any confusion, I still vote every chance I get, both by absentee in the U.S. and every time it's legal for me to do so in Spain and Europe.
- midnightgolfer
What you're describing, midnightgolfer, is not conservatism in any true sense. Intelligent conservatism died a long time ago. What you're describing is neoconservatism, which is one of the most dangerous movements in this country - and if you're a part of it, then you will share your burden of blame in the undoing of your "claimed" party. Period. Wake up and smell the stupid. People like you are definitely trying to take this country back...to some place pre-WWI era.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
What exactly did I describe? other than to state that Dem's and "liberals" have all they need right now to pass any bill into law that they'd like, no matter what opposition would like? Oh, and to show displeasure at ad hominem attacks?
- midnightgolfer
*rolls eyes* "Conservatism is a majority and growing" is what you said specifically. That is patently false. Genuine conservatism still exists in some individuals, but as a "group" it is dead. What is growing is the teabaggers. That's all. Further, Dems & "liberals" are not synonymous - anymore than Reps and "conservatives". If you're American, then you wouldn't know what a real liberal was if one came up and slapped you across the face. It's nothing to do with party.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
This is why I put "liberal" in quotes, and you are mistaken, in the U.S. the percentage of individuals who self-identify as "Conservative" is a majority, and it is an increasing percentage.
- midnightgolfer
LOL - where do you get this from...? Faux News? Pffft. Oh, and the ad hominem is not directed at you, midnightgolfer. Besides, if we're using the terms "liberal" and "conservative" - from a distinct perspective (and you being in Europe should be aware of this), there is NO left in this country comparatively. But, and this is a BIG but, when we're talking about "self-identification", I...
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- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
There most certainly is a Left in the U.S., albeit statistically small, even when compared to Europe's average left-to-right position. You ask, "Where do I get this from?" -- The recent Virginia and New Jersey election results - Pffft.
- midnightgolfer
The recent Virginia and NJ election results tell you what then? That people are pissed off at incumbents? No...the voices are telling you what you think you want to hear? No...that people are dissatisfied with Obama? What exactly...? Yesterday's results can be interpreted 101 different ways. The "left" here is still comparatively right-leaning when we're drawing comparisons over the pond, man. Am I correct in guessing you're either in the military or an American subcontractor in Spain?
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
Okay, so you interpret it the way you wish, and I will interpret it the way I wish, and we'll both act on our own interpretations, and stop wasting time arguing about differences of opinion, and move forward. Thanks for the momentary fun.
- midnightgolfer
If my guess is correct, then you're surrounded by like-minded folks with whom you work...and it bubbles into a nice little echo chamber to what you want to interpret it. That's all. ;) And acting on interpretations simply means voting the way our respective consciences dictate -- which is perfectly fine, no matter how we disagree. Given the time there, let go of the momentary fun and get some rest. :)
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
To be totally honest, I work graveyard, and am on a break, that went a little long ;-) I truly wish you were right about being surrounded by like-minded folk. I am surrounded by overly-sensitive people I have to make a conscious effort not to offend with my opinions, and online is one of the only places I get to speak so openly, without immediate confrontation. Also, I'm better at defending myself in English than in Spanish.
- midnightgolfer
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Republican Leader Boehner | Speaker Pelosi’s Government-Run Health Plan Will Require a Monthly Abortion Premium #killbill We Stand Together - http://republicanleader.house.gov/blog...
Why so serious?
- pitlord
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Abortion is not health care.
- Craig Eddy
If you do not want an abortion, then don't have one. This is your choice. If someone else wants or needs an abortion, who the fuck are you to tell them no?!
- Rene Wirtz
They can do whatever they want as long as they pay for it themselves.
- pitlord
Hey David, newsflash: I don't like any of your views or opinions, but I still pay for your health care. I don't like you using our education system or our roads, but I still pay taxes so you can use them. Suck it up, deal with it. Otherwise I suggest you move to a country where your opinions and religious views are not impeded on. KTHXBYE!
- Rene Wirtz
That's one of the many differences between us, Rene. I don't mind paying taxes for health care roads, or public schools that are being used by people with whom I disagree. Abortions are not roads, they are not education and abortions certainly are NOT healthcare.
- pitlord
Then I suggest you try to pass a law where the individual can attribute the taxes he pays to only those communal things he wants to, problem solved.
- Rene Wirtz
Oh, and guess what. I already live in a country where my G-d given rights are recognized and sanctified. If you don't like my country then you're welcome to find one that suits your radical Marxist ideals and GTFO.
- pitlord
No. I'd rather you go. It will make the US a much better place :-)
- Rene Wirtz
Pitlord - If a woman will die without the abortion, would you still say it isn't healthcare? If she has a dead fetus inside of her, would you force her to continue carrying it because you don't consider the abortion healthcare?
- Katy S
@Katy: David will not see that has health care, but as god's will ...
- Rene Wirtz
Katy, nobody is suggesting that abortions be banned. Of course, I support abortion to save the life of the mother. I do not support paying for abortions with our hard earned money.
- pitlord
Rene, speak for yourself.
- pitlord
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Karl Rove: Tuesday's Suburban Vote Swing - WSJ.com #killbill We Stand Together - http://online.wsj.com/article...
More on Pelosi's delusion (but don't tell her).
- pitlord
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The Madness of Queen Nancy - WSJ.com #killbill We Stand Together - http://online.wsj.com/article...
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All hail queen Nancy! LOL ^^
- pitlord
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"More than a few Democrats in Congress are perplexed and worried that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is insisting on ramming through a 1,900-page health care bill on Saturday"
- Craig Eddy
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Democrats' Plan to Help 'Uninsurables' Requires 6-Month Wait - FOXNews.com #killbill We Stand Together - http://www.foxnews.com/politic...
Hope and change? Maybe later. >.>
- pitlord
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Kill The Bill!
- Craig Eddy
In the Republican farce of a health bill plan it either never happens or takes much longer. The current situation leaves them uninsured. Kill bill? Pathetic losers!
- Rene Wirtz
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'All Campaign Hacks' - Forbes.com - http://www.forbes.com/2009...
CBO Confirms GOP Plan Will Lower Health Care Premiums, Lower Deficit Without Tax Hikes on Families & Small Businesses | Republican Leader John Boehner - http://republicanleader.house.gov/News...
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"CBO begins with the baseline estimate that 17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won't have health-care insurance in 2010. In 2019, after 10 years of the Republican plan, CBO estimates that ...17 percent of legal, non-elderly residents won't have health-care insurance. [http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-kl...]
- MikeAmundsen
But wait! I thought republcians didn't have a health care plan. That's what the liberals keep telling me!
- Spencer
AFAICT, this plan doesn't result in more people w/ care. i'd call that "not a plan."
- MikeAmundsen
Lower health care premiums == more people with insurance. "Care" is a completely different issue: you can't force people to get the care they need any more than you can force them to get their fat arses off the couch and away from the TV.
- Craig Eddy
very disappointing, IMO. i expected better; we _need_ better.
- MikeAmundsen
Craig: so you dispute the CBO numbers on how many will remain uncovered by 2019?
- MikeAmundsen
CBO document here [http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs...]
- MikeAmundsen
Did I? I'm of the opinion that it's not the government's place to make sure everyone has health insurance.
- Craig Eddy
Craig: I see. so neither approach (HR3200 or HR3962) is really interesting to you, right?
- MikeAmundsen
Sorry, I was away for a bit consulting my copy of "The Little Book of The Constitution". I didn't see anything there that authorizes Congress or the federal government to be involved in the health care of the citizens, much less to regulate that a vending machine has to have a sign displaying the nutritional value of the items it vends. So, no. Neither is interesting to me.
- Craig Eddy
It is not Constitutional for the government to force or provide health care, especially when it will force other people to pay for it.
- Spencer
Craig: i gotcha. nothing to see here, then. moving on. thanks.
- MikeAmundsen
@Spencer: i can think of many forced payments imposed by the US gov't. you would say all/any are unconst, right?
- MikeAmundsen
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11 Uncovered Videos Show School Children Performing Praises to Obama #killbill - http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolt...
Is this really the best use of our public school dollars?
- pitlord
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given the source, my first reaction is extreme skepticism as to its veracity.
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
How can you be skeptical of video? It's video!
- pitlord
You are such a hypocrit! Every video that shows faux pas by anyone in the Republican camp you dismiss as staged, but every video the fringe puts out you believe to be fact. You are either incredibly stupid, incredibly gullible, incredible misinformed or incredibly uneducated ... I think it's all of them.
- Rene Wirtz
What video did I dismiss?
- pitlord
Nah, Rene, he's just bought into what he wants to believe. Every presidency has had some version of this. It was perfectly okay when it was a president he liked. *shrug*
- ProsePetals (aka Denise)
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The Energizer Health Care Bill ....it keeps growingand gro and growing and growing..... 11/4/2009 - squareonemedia on Blog Talk Radio #killbill - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/squareo...
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Two Muslim Terrorists In India Killed By Hungry Bear - http://www.thehotjoints.com/2009...
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