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I do not recommend that you read this - http://vanelsas.wordpress.com/2009...
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HMM. WHICH ONE IS THE REAL LOUIS GRAY
Rob H., Alix Whitmire, Jason Huebel and 25 other people liked this
Wrong. It's the second one.
- Akiva Moskovitz
How did you know I would guess the first one?
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
lowthl
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
I will change my name immediately!
- Louis Gray
Did someone finally succeeded in cloning Louis?
- imabonehead
Ahhh hahah! :D
- Micah Wittman
The top set of twins: much more adorable.
- Micah Wittman
Who is Louis Gray?
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
See-ming I am Louis Gray
- Jesse Stay
@Akiva Moskovitz I like your icon. I always do. Your icon and http://flickr.com/malefi 's flickr icon gives me smile every time I see it. That's the right direction in identity design.
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
@Jesse.Stay If you are Louis Gray, who is @Louis.Gray then?
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
@louisgray is me
- Jesse Stay
Which one asks "Can we talk?" THAT'S the one who's committed to social media. And talk about an early adopter...REAL early.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
See-ming, thanks! I like strolling with a purpose.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Ha!
- Charlie Anzman
No I'm Louis Gray and so is my wife!
- Johnny Worthington
Will the real Louis Gray please stand up?
- imabonehead
Get outta my head imabonehead!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Ouch. There's a costume that takes more than a few hours.
- Aron Michalski
I have an LG T-Shirt. Hmmm...that could be a good costume. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Trying Google Reader?.. Share your friendfeed feed WITHIN Reader. (groups work too)!!
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Use the FF Tools Embed > Feed Widget http://friendfeed.com/embed (Image version) and paste the HTML into Reader using the "Your Stuff" > "Shared Items" -> "Have some thoughts to share?" textbox. Let them know where you came from!! Check out http://www.google.com/reader... to see the results (I used the Note on Reader bookmarklet on my FF homepage and THEN added the HTML).
- Chris Myles
Interesting idea. I have a 'lifestream' bundle and share some of my posts that way. Unfortunately you have to delete them once FF imports them back, but not too much of a pain.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, what embeds would you share from there? I imagine sharing individual entries would be good but not sure what could be shared from the embed page?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol.. It's more of a hack to show people where you came from, and gives you (and those you share with) a quick place to check your FF updates within reader. Since the image auto-updates, it's perfect!!
- Chris Myles
GROUPS: You can also embed groups but not directly. Just change your username to the group name.. width is a cool option as well!! http://friendfeed.com/embed....
- Chris Myles
BTW: this is ONE of the MANY reasons I think FriendFeed kicks ass.. Most products aren't even thinking about embedded versions of their content, let alone dynamic images for sites that don't support iframes (or when javascript is disabled). It just adds to the flexibility and power of the platform.. (Facebook.. hint hint)!!
- Chris Myles
Just tried this in GR and it works. Thank you Chris.
- Polly Potter
No worries Polly. I saw yours in Reader.. You might want to make it wider to get more goodies in the same height. I set my width to 600!! BTW Where are you getting feedback from the Reader team? I've got a some stuff logged into their help site.. haven't heard a peep from anyone (some stuff has been sitting there since last November). http://friendfeed.com/akiva...
- Chris Myles
Fixed FF widget in GR to 600 as you suggested and it looks a lot better. Thank you.
- Polly Potter
Chris, if you are referring to the comments of Jenna Bilotta that I shared in GR, I found them in FF and parked them in GR for ease of finding again.
- Polly Potter
Ok thanks Polly, glad to know the width looks better, I'd have a look but I can't .. http://ff.im/7JFoG
- Chris Myles
FriendFeed open house
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Dan Hsiao, Louis Gray, Steve Rubel, Jeremiah Owyang, Brian Solis
- Hutch Carpenter
from email
Green with Canadian Envy I am, hope it was a good time and time well spent.
- Owen Greaves
I like your shirt dan!
- Jeannie Choi
What a bunch of good lookin' guys!
- Rochelle
It's a Tech Geek Posse! Stand Back!
- Martha
I still say you guys need more estrogen. Ana rocks and is fully capable of handling you guys, but if you really want FF to succeed you should get more girls. <ahem>
- Felicia Yue
What Felicia said (granted, i was too lazy to drive down...)
- anna sauce
Dangit Anna - you should make the next one.
- Hutch Carpenter
well for one, kinda found out about it 1 hr beforehand. Where was it posted?
- anna sauce
Anna: email Ana for an invitation.
- Anne Bouey
I took a nap after reading this post and had a dream about meeting Ana in a public bathroom which was decorated with fine silks and satin. Hmmm.
- Rochelle
Thanks Anne. I think I may start a "dream room" because I am endlessly fascinated by these.
- anna sauce
Oh, can't DM people who aren't sub'd to me. I'm feeling like this is an invite-only thing, which is totally OK.
- anna sauce
anna, you've been added to the list!
- Anne Bouey
Nice Anne!
- Hutch Carpenter
Hutch, hope she sees this!
- Anne Bouey
Aaaah..that's what FriendFeed DM was made for! I'll shoot her one.
- Hutch Carpenter
thanks!
- anna sauce
Bump for the good times.
- Mark Krynsky
Danny Sullivan goes on an inspired diatribe about link spam: http://daggle.com/link-sp... A must read for SEOs.
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Google Wave Attempts to Modernize Email - Gina Trapani - HarvardBusiness.org - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/trapani...
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Gina gets it.
- Adam Lasnik
Am I the only person that actually thinks plain text email is good?
- Cristo
probably. I personally think plain text email is horrible. Also, one of the things I liked the most when I switch to gmail from yahoo was the ability to thread "conversations". Honestly, I don't understand why there are still people using Hotmail or Yahoo or any other email provider that don't show them their messages threaded. Wave is taking that to the next level and I love it. Now if...
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- Claudia Petrilli
Here's my bet: In 5 years, nobody will be using or talking about Google Wave any more than they are using and talking about Orkut now.
- Cristo
Here's my bet: In 5 years, everybody will be using or talking about a real-time, collaborative, multi-media, web-based, decentralized platform as much as they are using and talking about Facebook/Twitter now.
- Jérôme Flipo
Jérôme, yeah and it'll be called the web.
- Cristo
You curmudgeonly old Luddite, Cristo... ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
awesome summary of google wave thanks! from what i understand google wave is supposed to be a sharepoint killer but where sharepoint tries to integrate with email, google wave is re-inventing the way in which email is fundamentally used, cheers, loc
- Loc
Do Millennium Villages work? We may never know - http://aidwatchers.com/2009...
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Jeffrey Sachs’ Millennium Villages Project has to date unleashed an array of life-saving interventions in health, education, agriculture, and infrastructure in 80 villages throughout ten African countries. The goal of this project is nothing less than to “show what success looks like.” With a five-year budget of $120 million, the MVP is billed as a development experiment on a grand scale, a giant pilot project that could revolutionize the way development aid is done. But are they…
- Dambisa Moyo
Google Webmaster Tools Labs - http://blogoscoped.com/archive...
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BlogWorld Expo 2009: The State of Technology & the Real Time Web - http://blog.louisgray.com/2009...
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Things you didn’t know VLC media player can do - http://www.instantfundas.com/2009...
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I learned a few things in that
- Jeremy Zawodny
Google Passes 71% Market Share In Latest Hitwise Survey - http://searchengineland.com/google-...
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According to Hitwise (which buys ISP traffic logs and thus resides between panel and referrer-based metrics), Google went from 70.24% to 71.08% from August to September. Bing dropped from 9.48% to 8.96%.
- Matt Cutts
from Bookmarklet
That's good news about Google performance. But Matt, when Google Sidewiki toolbar can be applied at Google Chrome browser? I like ir very much. Thanks.
- Michael Dadona
@Michael Dadona, It hasn't exactly had the warmest embrace, so who knows if we'll every see anything out of it.... http://bit.ly/1ZNQRx
- Nathan Snyder
Whatever Matt, any comment is justly like a fruit to make more progress. I am not a computer geek to make comment on its 'technical' part and only able to join on its positive sides wherever available. Frankly speaking, Matt; what I know now is to work harder and smarter for how googlebot and robot.texts crawl, group, and rank whatever article of writing I wrote on internet. I think in...
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- Michael Dadona
@Michael Dadona, we are working on a Chrome extension for Sidewiki. Once we have it, we will surely announce on http://twitter.com/googles...
- Michal Cierniak
Guess Who Google Ranks for "Search Engine" - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
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"It's kind of difficult to report what Sergey Brin said in a conversation if I don't actually say what he said or how he reacted. But point taken. Next time I have a chance to talk with him on a topic where the focus of the article is his reactions to something, I'll make it "Anonymous person said.""
- dannysullivan
Finally got invited to Google Wave. First impression is that it acts like crap in Firefox 3 & IE 8. What browser am I supposed to use?
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Chrome seems to be the best experience. Firefox on Wave caused one of my other laptops to overheat.
- Matt Mastracci
I thought FF and Chrome worked great for me. As for IE.... I didn't even agttempt lol
- Holden Page
Given that Chrome is built for JavaScript-heavy apps, I'd try that.
- Matt Cutts
What should i use under Mac OS? Chrome isn't fully featured yet so i am definitely going to expect hiccups and Firefox 3 is just crazy
- Bhowmik Shah
The dev version of Chrome on Linux is plenty robust; I've been using it for quite a while. I think the dev version of Chrome for Mac is pretty stable too.
- Matt Cutts
I've used the dev version of chrome on Ubuntu, Fedora 11 and Mac - all three are very stable.
- Matt Mastracci
Wave is very JS compute centric, so that could be a factor. By my benchmark (http://api.timepedia.org/benchma...) chrome is 3x-6x faster than JS compute heavy code (in particular, OO code with lots of abstractions that tends to arise from GWT)
- Ray Cromwell
Why not Safari?
- Mark Trapp
Yep Chrome is definitely more stable under Mac OS for me .... Wave does behave well in it
- Bhowmik Shah
As an authority, guru and expert, I recommend @louisgray's post about how we should stop talking about social media http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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I need one of your business cards, Rex!
- Louis Gray
This is totally fantastic. http://www.youtube.com/watch... (via @mashable)
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If you buy Google AdWords, you'll want to know about big improvements to our keyword and placement tools: http://adwords.blogspot.com/2009...
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Possibility driven - Social Change 2.0 - pushing toward thrivability http://www.socialchange2.com/index... (via @NurtureGirl)
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Google Buys reCAPTCHA - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009...
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google is desperate
- testbeta
How so, testbeta? The folks behind reCAPTCHA are a solid team, in my experience.
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
I'm not calling them desperate, but they do try very hard to keep growing at a respectable rate, which is hard when you're so big, I don't think this helps them much nor does it hurt them, the biggest benefit is what they point out, they can get assistance with expanding and cleaning up smudged text in Google Books.
- Jimminy
+1 to Matts question. How is this desperate?
- EricaJoy
What a clever idea. I had never heard of reCAPTCHA before, but I like the way they think.
- Joel Webber
any guess about the price? i'm so curious :).. i think not that much, less than 4M$
- fakedave
reCAPTCHA may be a strong team but google is trying to monopolize the web, i was going through the acquisitions page at wikipedia and list surprised me, and its recent trend of patenting is even worse. i liked the way it was before but now it is acting more like a company, made that remark out of anger ;)
- testbeta
Facebook Crosses 300 Million Users. Oh Yeah, And Their Cash Flow Just Went Positive - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"They are now cash flow positive. Yes, from this point forward, Facebook is making money."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Oh goody.....
- Roberto Bonini
Am I the only one who feels this is sort of a Pyrrhic victory, in the sense that an incredibly enormous scale was needed to eek out a profit? It's certainly good news for the long term stability of the company however,
- Ray Cromwell
@Ray, Pyrrhic? I don't really think so. It's a sizable investment, alrite, but if they can maintain real growth without having to invest hugely again, it's a win. Long-term win, but still a win.
- Pandu ● IT Optimizer
They can't maintain current user growth much longer since the Internet population has limits, so either they have to increase engagement, decrease costs, or come up with a better monetization strategy, it just seems like inefficient to me, and and risky too since alternatives could undermine them at some point, eg Twitter
- Ray Cromwell
from Nambu
You mean, like changing a variable from TWEET_LIMIT = 140 to TWEET_LIMIT = 512? :) I think Facebook Lite, FriendFeed, et al have shown the value of these networks is more in communicating and following rather than social apps. F8 was a great attention getter than separated FB from the pack, but outside of some games, it has taken a backseat to FF/Twitter-like functionality IMHO. And I think the games industry would be better served by a social platform tuned towards the needs of games anyway.
- Ray Cromwell
Plus, by combining WebFinger, PubSubHubBub, FOAF/XFN, and some other stuff, you might be able to totally federate the bulk of what FB and Twitter do today, commoditizing them and stripping down their walled gardens. That's the looming threat.
- Ray Cromwell
A good example of FB's cost reducing efforts is "haystack". Don't worry, we are working on it (:
- Ozgur Demir
Haystack looks cool. Maybe if FB could connect with third party oauth'ed photo hosting, they could leave the photos on those services shouldering them with the costs, while having the eyeballs of the users on their site. :)
- Ray Cromwell
connect.in.com is a mainstream media site but purely SEO - scrap search terms and build pages around them automatically http://connect.in.com/hot_on_...
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hm.. meme ist irgendwie eine Mischung aus NoFrills-Posterous und Twitter http://meme.yahoo.com/robgree...
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Danke @RobGreen, habe jetzt schon zu viele Spielwiesen :-)
- Rainer Helmes
@rainer brauchst auch nicht spielen, Meme ist nicht sonderlich innovativ noch anders als andere Tools wie tumblr, posterous, twitter
- rob
dann isses ja gut :-))))
- Rainer Helmes
now out, google's official guide to statements supporting the book search deal http://bit.ly/XKq3l
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Ein neues Blog und seine Ziele - http://www.futureofwebstrategy.com/2009...
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Like how gdgt is covering the event in stream form http://live.gdgt.com/2009...
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did you see this too: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
- metalerik
Sweet
- Steve Rubel
from email
I've talked to several people now all saying they're doing really cool stuff with rssCloud. Expect this to be very big.
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Are they working with PubSubHubbub as well?
- Ken Sheppardson
It has tons of potential. Step toward the real time blogosphere.
- Jesse P. Luna
Are there any readers supporting it other than his iRiver ? I enabled it for VizWorld.com, but don't see anything "magic" other than the cloud tag in the RSS.
- Randall Hand
What's the difference between this and PubSubHubbub? I have a PubSubHubbub plugin installed as well.
- Rutger Blom
rssCloud doesn't work with PubSubHubbub. While they are similar conceptually there are some key differences in the implementation. The main difference is that rssCloud has the blog / feed producer send out the notifications to each subscriber instead of delegating that responsibility to a hub. While this removes the reliance of any hub it also adds scaling issues for larger blogs. Not...
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- Josh Fraser
Josh, rssCloud *does* work with PubSubHubbub - just not at the same time. You can install both rssCloud and PubSubHubbub on a blog at the same time with no problem. My beef is that Google holds the main control of PSHB - not sure I like that in an open standard. Also, rssCloud is much harder to DOS - feeds expire after 24 hours so cloud servers don't have to keep pinging the aggregator if the feed dies.
- Jesse Stay
Josh, thanks for that.
- Rutger Blom
from email
I don't see anywhere that your "cloud" can't be separate from the blog/feed producer. All the cloud tag does is to provide a place to subscribe for notifications. How that back end works is not specified.
- Otto
it's not accurate that PSHB is controlled by Google. It is an independant group.
- Steve Gillmor
My question wasn't so much whether the technologies are complementary or compatible, but whether the people who are "doing really cool stuff with rssCloud" are also working on doing similar cool stuff in PSHB, or whether we're going to get yet another bifurcation of the space.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry I didn't mean to suggest you can't install both, obviously you can. They just don't use the same protocol or work the same way.
- Josh Fraser
PSHB strikes me as slightly more robust of a solution, in that it sends the actual content along with the notifications, avoiding the need for lots of people to come regrab your feed. On the other hand, there's no real reason rssCloud can't be extended to do the same thing.
- Otto
rssCloud would let you control your content a little bit tighter than PSHB because of that, though.
- Aaron Crews
Jesse, how would this cause a DOS? I think you're missing the point. The cloud servers don't ping the feed -- the feed pings the cloud servers. The 24 hour window is a bit small in my opinion. While it's nice to have automatic expiration built in for garbage collection (PSH has a 30 day window by default) the incremental cost of having an extra row in a database is minimal.
- Josh Fraser
Steve, who are the members of the group?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Here are the committers http://code.google.com/p... on the implementation. I'm not sure what procedure they're following for the spec. Here are the companies using PSHB - http://code.google.com/p...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: I'm doing cool stuff with Pubsubhubbub and will soon be doing stuff with rssCloud - so yes, I'm doing cool stuff with both :-) PSHB is easier from an aggregator point of view so I started with that.
- Jalada
Once the Open Web Foundation (http://openwebfoundation.org/) is ready for it, we'll be licensing the PubSubHubbub spec under its license. So the foundation will ultimately be in control of the spec's future.
- Brett Slatkin
rssCloud is luxurious melty chocolate and PubSubHubbub is rich creamy peanut butter... and hopefully with the grace of the gathered mental giants of our time we'll one day have RssPubSubber Hubs, Rss Pieces, and a host of tasty delights to satisfy any decentralized sweet tooth
- Jay Cuthrell
Ken (and Steve Gillmor), Brett, Andy, and Brad, the owners of it, all work for Google. Brett, that's great news - I'd like to see Google pass this on to a broader organization. I like the spec - my concern is that Google has control over it right now. (not to mention I'm a big Brett and Brad fan!) :-)
- Jesse Stay
What does "owner" mean in this context, Jesse? Does Dave Winer "own" RSS?
- Ken Sheppardson
Personally I want to see both specs move forward.
- Jesse Stay
Ken, they're all marked "owner" in the committers list. They control the spec.
- Jesse Stay
Ken, Dave doesn't work for Google.
- Jesse Stay
And there is a very broad committee for the RSS spec, which Dave's <cloud/> implementation is part of.
- Jesse Stay
I just don't get the FUD behind an open standard just because it's developed by people who work for a company that actually has resources to push and motivate adoption. I'm sure I'm just being naive.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's not like they control the only hub - anyone can make a hub (Superfeedr have) and if Google change the spec in a bad way (not sure how) there's no reason why people have to follow.
- Jalada
I agree with all of you - I admit I'm confused who to support, if I should even be supporting anyone or everyone. They all seem very similar to me, and from a development standpoint it's not that hard to implement either. It's very confusing to have so many.
- Jesse Stay
When I say Google I'm simply trying to come up with reasons why Dave thinks his is better and why he thinks we should use it. Honestly, I don't know why you should use one or the other. They both seem the same to me.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Who are the members of this RSS spec committee?
- scott anderson
That committee was disbanded. http://www.therssweblog.com/...
- scott anderson
"3/30/2009 - In a 7-0 vote, the RSS Advisory Board has approved six edits to the RSS specification, the documentation for the RSS 2.0 format." -- http://www.rssboard.org/news...
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm confused - is it disbanded or not?
- Jesse Stay
It looks like they continue to function as recently as March, although it seems Dave doesn't believe they have any particular authority - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse: No one really knows. That is the problem. It looks like there are two RSS 2.0 specs now, one controlled by Dave which is frozen and one controlled by the RSS Advisory Board (2.011). If Dave does not recognize the board as having any authority, then in Dave's mind he owns the RSS 2.0 spec. I expect that we will see the same approach taken by Dave with rssCloud. In my opinion these are not open formats and protocols. They are proprietary.
- scott anderson
Well, to be fair... pretty much everybody agrees the RSS spec is frozen at this point, right? I mean the changes have just been cosmetic and administrative, e.g. updating links, etc. and not material changes to the protocol.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: Yes. Dave even objected to those cosmetic and administrative changes made by the board which clarified the spec. That's why Atom exists.
- scott anderson
This is all so confusing.
- Jesse Stay
It doesn't have to be.
- Jay Cuthrell
So who's going to fix that? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Matt did you mean SOAP opera? NYuck Nyuck Nyuck
- Matt Terenzio
Jesse - I've tried to make it is clear and easy to understand on my blog (http://fudge.org) i.e. it's all good
- Jay Cuthrell
hoffentlich hat feedburner friendfeed wirklich gekickt, das war von anfang an eine blöde idee. aber das gejammere ist unterhaltsam
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war eine blöde idee. aber das kicken eines dienstes von feedburner wäre auch willkürlich oder?
- Marcel Weiß
sie bräuchten halt definierte regeln dafür, was einen für die metrik 'relevanten' dienst ausmacht, insofern ist leider alles willkürlich. aber der fehler war imho das aufnehmen von ff, und wenn sie merken: das war wohl überhastet, dann sollen sie das ruhig auch rückgängig machen können.
- hackr
a nice article before the week starts: A Manifesto for Slow Communication http://online.wsj.com/article...
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