I agree. And the themes have improved alot since I last jailbroke my iPhone.
- Fox
Great app and review!! You da man Patrick! ;o)
- Ron Thompson
Ha - thanks Ron. This one really is an outstanding app - one of those 'never give up your jailbreak' types :)
- Patrick Jordan
I'd like to note that ProSwitcher was a memory hog on my iPhone 3G. Not sure how it works on the 3GS but this app ate up a lot of memory. Previously I tried Multifl0w, didn't notice a memory issue with that so I might return to it. Haven't done so yet because I want to try out Kirikae first.
- Corvida
If you like these apps you should also check out Backgrounder, Orbit (Expose-ish) app, and SnowCover
- Corvida
This one relies on Backgrounder for enabling the background-running of apps. All the app switchers I've seen so far rely on Backgrounder for that part.
- Patrick Jordan
It seems more and more that the JB community has some great apps/ hacks for these devices... Slowly but surely some of these are making it into the Apple's sanctioned "app store" Video on 2G and 3G's...? What's next? "Backgrounder, ProSwitcher" Only time will tell? I hate to think 'the Android invasion" has anything to do with the sudden "openness" from the app store?
- Ron Thompson
Yup - I think for some time now - ever since back in 1.x firmware days really - a lot of innovation and improvements are driven by the great work of jailbreak devs. I guess this is far from shocking, since Apple ties things down so tight on the App Store side (though it's loosening a fair bit lately). Even something as simple as search within Contacts was done on the jailbreak side a good year before we ever got it within the 'legit' app.
- Patrick Jordan
And normal people do this kind of stuff over on Facebook (I watch my wife talk to her elementary school friends there).
- Robert Scoble
While the "pros" have figured out you can't get paid for doing work online here or on Twitter, so they just put links to their blogs.
- Robert Scoble
"I think we're just tired of all online socializing" I do it every minute of everyday on FriendFeed.
- Johnny Worthington
Twitter isn't that good for conversations. I use Facebook for conversations with my "IRL friends". For social conversations I've recently come back to FriendFeed (it IS better than Twitter when it comes to conversations), Google Talk, Google Reader and in some extent...yes Twitter. But as you said, Twitter has been populated by people that only posts links to their blogs...and often never answer their replies.
- Patrik Johansson
Johnny: the world isn't like you and me. And, anyway, even though you and I do it here, most normal people do it on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Most normal people do it on email. Facebook is still a distant 2nd.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Bruce: I don't think so. Almost all of my friends have Facebook (no Twitter, no FriendFeed, no Google Reader, no Flickr, no Last.fm etc etc). And most of them check their email once a week, Facebook 3 times a day. I'm talking about personal use here, not work mail.
- Patrik Johansson
Most plans and communication is still happening over SMS and phone calls. I understand I'm not normal. I sat around a table with 9 people last week. Everyone had a computer, 4 had an iPhone, no one knew what Android was, 7 had a Facebook account, 3 had a Twitter account (2 only tweeted less than 5 times) and everyone knew of FriendFeed because of me doing the podcast. We're niche.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
The elite players are having secret walled off conversations in Google Reader.
- Louis Gray
I agree Johnny. SMS and phone are by far the most popular communication tool. Most people I know know about iPhone but not Android. I don't think that communicate on the web is so big that we think it is.
- Patrik Johansson
Louis: exactly why Google Reader is dead. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader isn't dead Robert. I've tried to follow your tip, about getting the news from Twitter. It doesn't work. The biggest problem is that the company/website/blog need to have a Twitter account and update it...well, that may be the case in the U.S. But if I want to follow any Swedish newspaper or something, they don't have Twitter...but I can subscribe to their sites through Google Reader. That's why RSS isn't dead, and is still beating Twitter.
- Patrik Johansson
Robert you're awesome for starting this thread. As for your first comment, I'd have to disagree because we're no longer socializing. We're marketing and the shit is about to hit the fan. I can just feel it coming down my Twitter stream.
- Corvida
The (read: my) problem is that with Facebook it's too intimate. People wouldn't understand the things I talk about at home and on a personal level because it's usually race related and people of a different race would feel some sort of way about engaging in such a conversation. Either way, that's not what I want to talk about online.
- Corvida
I use all four things. I use Google Reader for news articles. I use Facebook for communication with Family. I use Twitter for people who are in subject areas that I'm interested in such as farming. I use Friendfeed for discussions (or sometimes arguments).
- Judy Jones
I want to go back to talking and sharing the topics we're all interested in. I want to go back to discussing the cool little gems we find around the web. I don't want to just review them. I want to DISCUSS them. We used to do that a long time ago. Myself, Louis, Steven Hodson, Jeff, Rahsheen, Sarah Perez, Shey, Frederic and a host of other people. We DISCUSSED Friendfeed. We DISCUSSED Twitter. We DISCUSSED RSSmeme which half the world no longer knows or cares about....
- Corvida
We discussed everything topic related and we loved it. We built our own hype instead of getting sucked into major blogs and what the rest of the kool-aid drinking web was saying. WE did that and it felt good. It felt like a community. Now, I really do feel like I'm screaming in a crowded room...and no one really gives a fuck.
- Corvida
Johnny, we're niche, but not invisible. I want to have conversations with people who have related interest. I don't want to talk about dogs, cats, what your kids did. Fuck that, I hate kids, dogs, and (usually) cats. I want good tech conversations 24/7. That's what the old days used to be like. That's the FriendFeed and Twitter I remember instead of all this marketing BS
- Corvida
This thread remember me the reason why I've started following Robert Scoble or Corvida: not because they were famous or glamour or something like that but because they were able to create deep and brilliant conversations...
- maxilprof
Hrm. I think I have to agree with Corvida here. I was attracted to this whole thing by learning about Twitter on her blog, which led me on a journey to becoming a writer for BlackWeb 2.0. Everything has definitely taken a marketing turn that is kinda disturbing. Even those in the field that are not really marketers still have a marketing approach to it all. Twitter, for instance, is mostly a link farm. I think this is part of the reason I got hooked on FF. People were actually discussing stuff here.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Patrik: yes, San Francisco is often two to five years ahead of the rest of the world. For fun I just checked into Feedly again. ALL I saw was stuff I've already seen on Twitter. So, for me (and anyone who cares about the tech industry) Google Reader is showing dramatically less utility than it did a year ago, especially if you've put any time into organizing feeds into lists over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen: funny, I tried to get the rest of the industry over here and failed. Why? Most people don't want to have conversations. Tim O'Reilly, for instance, told me he doesn't have time for that.
- Robert Scoble
I agree Rahsheen. The discussions is what got us going on FriendFeed. Too hard to do them on Twitter. How do we get back to those days people?
- Corvida
But isn't all that discussion just speculation until you get a critical mass and some time behind it? I love what Facebook and Twitter have done for me, but feel a great deal of fatigue after only a couple of years. Talking to people IRL is very attractive these days. We've gotten ahead of ourselves.
- John Kress
John: exactly. Plus, now that blogs have real time conversations thanks to Disqus and Echo we can pimp a URL and have conversations over there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yeah it seems that SF is ahead of the rest of the world. For now, I'll use Google Reader for my news source. But sure, if Swedish news, blogs, websites etc. started to use Twitter I may change my mind,
- Patrik Johansson
I remember that, Robert. You used to link FF convo's on Twitter a lot. While you're probably correct that some of the big wigs don't have the time or desire to talk, there are still those of us that enjoy discussion. Am I going to notice that people like Tim aren't present? Absolutely not. Just like I don't expect P. Diddy to take the time out to chat with me when I want to discuss the music industry.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen: funny, P Diddy is probably over at MySpace having conversations with his fans. I know a lot of musical groups do that. Why there? Because there's money there. Fans buy music.
- Robert Scoble
Patrik: yeah, eventually you'll see that Twitter takes over the world. Even in France most of the entrepreneurs were on Twitter and the media was talking about it a lot.
- Robert Scoble
Rahsheen: the reason I don't link to FF much anymore is because I can have real time conversations back on my blog now. A year ago I couldn't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: So when does the big backlash come, and what does it look like? (Online vs real life)?
- John Kress
John: a good percentage of divorces are already mentioning Facebook. How do you know the backlash isn't underway?
- Robert Scoble
Corvida, I don't think there is any turning back. Ashton, Oprah, Brittany, and all their minions have invaded the space. Eben Pagan, Mike Dillard, Steve Kern and the like have all discovered social media and are making money off of it. I think it's a lost cause in that regard...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Corvida: those conversations have moved over to blogs like those from Louis Gray and Jesse Stay for the large part.
- Robert Scoble
Hrm...I guess most bloggers should be happy about that. There was a time when comment fragmentation and losing the discussion was a serious concern. I wonder what everyone thinks about that now.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Robert: I think the backlash is underway. But, naturally, the whip has a long tail.
- John Kress
Robert: Or a short head in this case.
- John Kress
lol @John. Rahsheen we're happy, but that doesn't mean we didn't adjust to the way things have been for the past 2 years before Disqus and real-time web stuff. Twitter WAS the only real-time web, besides FriendFeed, last year. I like that they've moved back to blogs, but I don't talk about every tech topic that comes to mind on my blog. I like the random tech convo's across the web, where either you're there to participate in the convo or you're not.
- Corvida
True, I can't say that I've caught most of the convo going on on blogs. I have definitely become used to the blogs being discussed on places other than the blog itself. Maybe I need to change my strategy...again.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen: Exactly! Plus, I don't want to crowd my blog with too many discussions in one day.
- Corvida
I'd settle for the days of acknowledging one another.
- Kelli Schmith
I don't have conversations on Facebook and I am normal! (as I am not a professional, just a retired Granny) TBH I hate Facebook! Only on there because family asked me to be on there. I'd rather have a conversation on here or a live chat facility. Its better to discuss things on here or in comments on your blogs. I love blogging
- Sandra Large
Robert: you are a couple of years ahead. But you also have a different behavior when it comes to news consumption: we are building feedly for people who have the time to check their favorite websites, topics, brands one or two times a day and want to do it through something that looks like their own personalized magazine. Regarding this discussion I agree that the internet has lost a little bit of something since most people moved to twitter and the conversations on friendfeed dried up.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Egg nog, egg nog, egg nog! I love egg nog! But you can't chug a gallon of it because the average human stomach can only hold about half that amount.
- April Russo (app103)
@Corvida I didnt notice any racist topic, perhaps they don't show up over here. Censoring might not be the answer, but fighting most definitely is! Let's make noise ;-)
- Lui(gi) ►►
from iPhone
Another thing - there are no right or wrong stereotypes. All prejudice should fall under the "no-no" category.
- Mitch
The trending topic at the time was #ifsantawasblack. I don't think Twitter should sensor them at all. I think Twitter should drop trends all together at this point.
- Corvida
We bought one of these a couple of months ago. The battery life is great but the build quality is rather shoddy and the performance is rather lacking even for a netbook. Definitely get the 1GB RAM upgrade if you're gonna get this. It helps some.
- Give 'Em DBizness
Its working on the 7210. Cant connect to my hotspot tho. Checking memory usage, it's as much of a hog as any Linux distro. System already wapping and i havent started a single app. 121 processes running. Battery usage doesnt look to good too.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Note. All of these installs are via the EXE which installs in a Windows directory and installs new boot loader.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Nope. X70 not working. FAT32 error comes up. Even after full chkdsk.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Jolicloud provide an uninstaller that works under WIndows. Good for removing failed intstal.
- Steve 'Chippy' Paine
Whether it's from the OS or not, I wouldn't want my browser to do all of this for me. I like having a separate system to manage and display drives, files, and folders.
- Corvida
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Whether it's from the OS or not, I wouldn't want my browser to do all of this for me. I like having a separate system to manage and display drives, files, and folders.
- Corvida
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Of course that message could also go to Facebook: "Hey Mark, want inclusion in our Social Search? Approve Facebook in Friend Connect." :-)
- Jesse Stay
Sigh. You guys are really making me want an Android device now.
- Corvida
Isn't it Steve Jobs and Apple who's making you want an Android device?
- Andy Bakun
It really bugged me that cellphones are a zero-sum device. If I want an Android 2.0 device I need to give up my iPhone. Then I remembered the iPod Touch (or an iPhone without a sim card that's nearly the same thing) and I realized that maybe I can have it all...
- Kevin Fox
And maybe some people just want a cool phone... The needs of the many outweight the geeks of the few
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone