Christina Pikas

yeah like who the hell they asked and precisely what question did they ask them.... the #$%^ moderator on liblicense hasn't seen fit to let my post through yet. If she returns it (which she has done with mine before), i'll resend directly to elsevier - Christina Pikas

Sounds like something for FakeLibStats on Twitter. - Andy

i would be interested in how many of that 90% acknowledge that their library probably pays for access. - Georgie Bestie

see slide 35: http://www.slideshare.net/brembs... - Björn Brembs

You could tweet https://twitter.com/#!... Is that the guy? I think he has noted this stat in some of his blog post comments without a cite. - The Ghost of Library Past

this wasn't tom reller, this was another guy... so I sent the message to liblicense at 9:48 this morning and it still hasn't been posted... who runs a listserv like that? - Christina Pikas

the guy is probably female (oops) but here's the name: Chrysanne Lowe - Christina Pikas

The STM study done recently came back with results that said no problems with academic of SME access and I have no idea whatsoever how they managed to get those results. I think the questions do need close looking at tho. - Cameron Neylon

I had an e-mail off list from Richard Poynder who has been in contact with E off list. the survey details are at: http://www.publishingresearch.net/documen... .. the sample is apparently authors who have published in one of 18,000 journals and the question is given on p9 - Christina Pikas

i find this astounding that 78% of respondents in africa said that research journal articles were very or fairly easy to access - Christina Pikas

I find the whole survey and results fishy. 19 of 20 authors find research articles easy to find? Some of those African authors might get free access to Elsevier articles through a program they have, but that doesn't explain the 78% number. - The Ghost of Library Past

Let's see: 82 people in Africa. 96 people in the Middle East. 151 people in Latin America. And all of those people are already published in some set of journals. I'm impressed... - Walt Crawford

the corporate numbers are way high, too. the people we get here who previously worked at gov't labs or corporations (the big defense companies) always comment on access to the lit - Christina Pikas

Notably follow up missing...'how much of your access is legal?' - Cameron Neylon

heh. excellent point. probably the way to ask is "how much of this is through colleagues not at your institution?" - RepoRat

You'd probably also need to ask people to exclude informal email exchange of PDFs, since published authors are more likely to be part of the invisible colleges. I also wonder whether the low response rate says something... - Walt Crawford

interestingly, the earlier 2009 study of small company researchers found negligible (1%) use of local academic libraries (respondents wanted online access) - Christina Pikas

I would love to do a study where we looked at researchers personal libraries and quantified how much was actually legally obtained, how much was grey, and perhaps even how much was clearly black market (distinguishing the latter two is hard, looking at most recent additions and checking library holdings shouldn't be too difficult?) - Cameron Neylon

For a scientific publishers is it rather sad that they cite results based on this question... there is no establishment as to what 'easy' is, some of the problems outlined above... and we put trust in a publisher that gets its basic act not together to 'improve' scientific dissemination for us? Elsevier can better just shut up, starting giving big boons, because every reply only makes... more... - Egon Willighagen

*sigh* - Hedgehog

Oh, right, I just got the email too. *kills self* - John Dupuis

man, i dont get these fun emails. - Andy

Initials are S.A. - Christina Pikas from iPhone

and i think i'm going to bill myself as a "library presentist" from now on, since there is no future without a present. - Andy

Is anyone brave enough to start an @FakeSA? - John Dupuis

Then I am the ghost of library past.... - The Ghost of Library Past

fakesa already taken, by Keila Regina Dantas - The Ghost of Library Past

fakesabram seems to be avail, but I wouldn't touch this with a 39 and a half foot pole. Is that ten meters? (Answer: 12.0396 meters) - The Ghost of Library Past

As a librarian at a school with a gajillion databases for business research, I have to note that the product Gale is hawking is really pretty lame. - Stephen Francoeur

Umm...something involving Data Mgmt Plans? - Hedgehog

we don't get any nsf money... and the woman who runs archives said they don't do data - Christina Pikas

i do wonder if i could work something out about scholarly communication though... - Christina Pikas

Oh, hmm, that does make it a little different. You might still be able to do something on locating data? Understanding good data sets? - Hedgehog

Something about innovative new social media outreach strategies? - John Dupuis from iPhone

hmmm. maybe.... - Christina Pikas

I think that it would be relatively easy for Wikipedia to get pulled off the internet by SOPA, and that would be far worse than just going off-line for a day. - DJF

I think Ben Wagner (who?) is full of shit. Or, what SS and DJF above said. - Bill Hooker

I'm curious to know what contract he signed when he donated his effort that guaranteed he'd have uninterrupted perpetual access in return. - Deborah Fitchett

I don't think it is a problem. They should be making a stand, and those who contributed to it should be standing at their side as well. Did Mr. Wagner not have much of anything to write about recently? - Angel R. Rivera

I like Ben a lot - he's not a professional pundit, he's a chemistry librarian so go easy guys. His point, I think is that removing access to information as a protest is bad and that this could set a precedent for taking down the site for other bills. @Deborah, I agree and also, mirror sites will be up, apps to let you browse offline will be up, etc. - Christina Pikas

It was not any one person's idea - wasn't it debated a lot publicly before it was decided? This to me sounds like "libraries have to provide information no matter how much the conditions under which we do so are detrimental to all." - barbara fister

It may or may not be a breach of trust, but it's definitely not a breech of trust. - I like big Botts

Reminds me of libraries (Seattle?) choosing to put its cuts into closing for a week or two (?) rather than chipping away at services and collections 24/7. People don't notice otherwise. - barbara fister

Barbara++. It's librarian Stockholm Syndrome in action: "no service degradation under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES WHATEVER, no matter how much it hurts or how important the point we're making." I can't get behind that message; it's tailor-made for kicking the status-quo can down the street. Of *course* this is a major disruption and shouldn't be used to cry wolf -- but this isn't a crying-wolf situation IMO, and the blackout is remarkably precisely tailored to the harm it's trying to prevent. - RepoRat

Christina, I get what Ben is saying/thinking about precedent, but wikipedia's been up for a long time now and has never taken their site down for any other bill or support of anything else. To me it sounds a bit like he's over thinking this - Sir Shuping is just sir

I would add that (from my understanding) the major news networks aren't covering this story (as they are proponents of the bill). So the blackout is both an outreach activity *and* a news story that the media can't and won't resist. Also, Wikimedia isn't purely democratic but it is supported by members. To support the cause, I just became one (of Wikimedia Canada) - copystar

I don't think you get any guarantee of perpetual, uninterrupted uptime for your contribution to any wikipedia topics. It's not a democracy, and it's not owed to everyone at every second of every day. - Rachel Walden

If by "major news networks" you mean TV 'news'--I don't regard any of those as plausible news sources--especially on a story where Big Media has a stake. The SFChronicle certainly covers the story (and the protest) in some depth, and I'd bet that's true of a number of other actual news sources. - Walt Crawford

I haven't read it yet, but was recommended to look at Assessing ILL/DD Services: New Cost-Effective Alternatives. ARL 2004. Dunno if that'd be helpful for you or not. - Jaclyn Bedoya

ohhh....I think the last report I saw was from 2002/2004 and it put the average cost at around $20, but I can't put my hands on it at the moment. I've got a document at work that I can look at tomorrow that I think I calculated what my average costs were, but I think it was around $20 or so factoring in postage/OCLC costs/etc. but...my experience as an ILL person is no people don't have... more... - Sir Shuping is just sir

I just got a heads up about the $1200+ we're spending on copyright fees because we went over the magic 5/5. That does not include the many journals that forbid libraries to send pdfs for which (because of figures) we need to simply purchase directly from the publisher. But the Research Works Act says ALL libraries have everything anyone might possibly ever want, including public libraries, so don't worry, be happy. - barbara fister

bump for am people. - Andrew, $20 seems low given what the calculations were in 1993. Did you include staff time? - Christina Pikas

ohhhh....nope I didn't take into account although I'm not sure the studies I've seen have done that either...although they probably should. If I included staff time rough guess would probably be between $30 and $40 depending on if I have to get involved or if my staff person can handle it herself - Sir Shuping is just sir

Cyril Oberlander of SUNY Geneseo and the IDS Project always says $30. I have no idea where he gets this number, but I believe him. :) - Jenica