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Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
re: ebooks. A faculty member found one this week that had no references in it. Argh. One of the chapters mentioned some articles he wanted to track down, but the citations were non-existent. At first I thought it was because of the ebook vendor (Routledge), but that made no sense. A colleague mentioned that books r doing away with citations.
these days (wtf?) - see article in the CHE ‘Wait, Your Footnotes Are in Cyberspace?’ | Vitae https://chroniclevitae.com/news... . Both my faculty colleague & I find this incredibly disturbing. I'm spreading the word on his behalf. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Citations are part of the argument. This smells like cheap publishers trying to sound "modern" but really just saving some printing and editing. - DJF from Android
... a LOT of editing. Citation checking is one of the more laborious and time-consuming editing labors. (I say this as an author who has been caught out by attentive editors.) - RepoRat
Citations are indeed a key part of the argument and scholarly discourse. Yet another disturbing trend. - Galadriel C.
(commenting to keep track of this -- I'm floored by this!) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Noticed that Glenn Greenwald's new book on Snowden didn't have footnotes except online- I figured he was still working on them when it was time to go to press. It stinks. - barbara fister
Also some university press tried this in the late 1990s - iirc - a math book? Didn't catch on. - barbara fister
I could understand (but wouldn't like) if they did this in print books - but then said "go online for the citations" - but this was in an online book. No space restrictions! Just, as RR says, editing. *grrr* - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I heard of a medical text book doing this and only the first purchaser could login to the web page to see the citations and some other bits. I'm horrified, as well. - Christina Pikas
That's disconcerting to say the least, I think those citations would be very necessary. - MariWeaver
in related news, head of our PR faculty wants to complain to publisher about this. They want to use the textbook, but not if it doesn't have citations in it. And person who first alerted me to problem wrote strong comment on the Chronicle blog post. Yay for mai faculty! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
That's awesome; - Galadriel C. from Android
kendrak
HEY! Sort of a techy question, but hopefully stupidly easy and not worth asking Code4Lib: How can I export/download all of our ContentDM stuff in bulk?
crickets - Blake
I don't know anything about contentdm but I do know it has been discussed extensively in the past months. You searched the c4l archives? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Yeah, I'm not finding much. There's this article: http://journal.code4lib.org/article... but it doesn't really hit the mark. - kendrak
Hmm, I know someone who might have a good answer--let me ask. - Hedgehog
Thanks! I appreciate it. - kendrak
Kirsten
Anyone else seeing a big price increase from SIAM for their online journal membership? We're looking at a 31% increase for our November renewal.
I'm finding this particularly interesting in light of the email they sent in August: "For more than 60 years, a subscription to a SIAM journal meant a print subscription. In 1997 SIAM began offering its journals electronically, but users continued to want print copies for their libraries, and it made sense to list prices for the print journals. Today, however, the popularity and convenience of electronic publishing has largely displaced print versions. Therefore, beginning in 2015, all SIAM journal subscriptions will be priced to the electronic version and print subscriptions will be available only as an optional add-on at cost. This shift more accurately reflects our subscribers’ needs and is also more environmentally friendly. Thank you for your continued support of SIAM and our mission to advance the communication of mathematical and computational science research not just to the engineering, industrial, and scientific communities that we specifically serve, but to society as a... more... - Kirsten
<cynical>"We don't want to sell print-only because it lets libraries do an end-run around our inflated e-journal pricing."</cynical> - RepoRat
Have not heard. SIAM has generally been pretty library friendly - seeking lots of input on ways to offer their ebooks, for example. - Christina Pikas
Which was good of them, Christina. But a 31% price increase with no explanation or warning? Not friendly. At all. - Kirsten
Galadriel C.
PSA: An undetermined number of Ebrary and EBL e-books are not actually entire e-books. At a faculty member's request, we purchased an e-book via Ebrary, only to discover that some of the pages in said book are not available.
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As you expand the TOC of the e-book, any chapter/section title followed by [text] means that the text isn't actually there. - Galadriel C.
According to Ebrary, this is because of publisher mandates at a title-by-title level. However, Ebrary can't give us a list of e-books that aren't actually whole e-books. - Galadriel C.
Sheesh. Thanks for the warning. I'm going to make a Twitter feed and it's just going to be called "@%$ing ebooks" and it will be full of swears. - Regular Amanda
Wow. We haven't run into this at all (likely just sheer dumb luck). But it's totally, totally bogus that such books don't come with a warning or notice of some sort, pre-purchase. Also bogus that PQ can't provide a list of titles with text missing. - Kirsten
Also, according to Ebrary: "Because publishers don't tell us that they are giving titles with removed content, right now the best option for identifying books like this is to look through them. I'm sorry there isn't an easier way. Luckily, this is a rare occurrence." - Galadriel C.
That is an unlike like. - Joe
This is so far beyond outrageous that I don't even know what to call it. - Catherine Pellegrino
lol - Meg VMeg
So...where's the discount for every time we run into this that is (at minimum) equivalent to 2x the cost of a print book so we can have 2 copies on hand as well? - Hedgehog
This may be why e-resources librarians drink. - Marie
Edited to add that this incomplete e-book issue occurs with EBL e-books too. - Galadriel C.
Can they tell you which publishers at least? So then we can set up a schedule, so that they get a call every 15 minutes for a whole workday, complaining about this? - Meg VMeg
According to Ebrary support, they don't have a list of publishers that provide incomplete e-books. However, I've sent a note to our rep to learn more and request more details. - Galadriel C.
This is wack. - Steele Lawman
And there goes the idea that vendors are looking out for us. (I mean, if it's that rare, couldn't they have started a list? Bet both they and the publishers hoped we wouldn't notice.) - barbara fister
that is beyond bogus. maybe we can crowdsource a list and then name-and-shame the publishers. - RepoRat
Publishers negotiated/paid for just print reproduction rights for the relevant essays. Assholes. - DJF from Android
Satan invented permissions to tormet us. - barbara fister
Something something open access noncommercial - DJF from Android
In further correspondence with Ebrary, their prevailing theme is that because this is infrequent, it's not a big deal. What?!? I. Can't. Even. This is such unbelievably poor customer service and an awful user experience. - Galadriel C.
you didn't get what you paid for, and it's not a big deal? wtf? - RepoRat
If you were an individual, rather than an institution, this would be totally call-the-credit-card-initiate-a-chargeback territory. - Catherine Pellegrino
I know, right? I will be looking at our license agreement next week. We do not have the time or staff to review every single ebook to make sure it's complete and then track refund requests. - Galadriel C.
Is that the actual message from Ebrary, with the word "luckily"? As if the pages are accidentally missing and they accidentally sold it to you anyway. Luck should not be involved here! - Megan loves summer
Yes Megan, that's an excerpt from an Ebrary support message. - Galadriel C. from Android
that is some straight-up boolsheet. - RepoRat
That's nuts. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
gah - maʀtha
Gah indeed - this is crap. - Jen
Dandy. - Heather
Galadriel, are you on ERIL-L or SERIALST? I'm curious to see what kind of response you'd get there. I know publishers monitor both. Let's raise a stink! - Holly's favorite Anna
Whoa - Christina Pikas from iPhone
o_O wtf kinda crap ass bs is this?? i respected ebrary for the most part, but this...this is some serious crazy crap - Sir Shuping is just sir
Even before this, ebrary was a waste of electromagnetism - DJF from Android
Anna - I'm on ERIL-L and LIBLICENSE-L and am planning to post. I'm just waiting for further another response from Ebrary after elevating the issue from support to our rep. Yes! Raising a stick is certainly warranted! - Galadriel C. from Android
Let me know when someone posts on this and I will signal boost the crap out of it. That's beyond outrageous, it's straight up fraud IMO. - Andy
will watch for your post on liblicense-l and raise sh*t at mpow. - jambina
Apparently the issue is because of copyrighted content not being released for e-publication and its becoming a "smaller and smaller problem." Yet, our users have reported 3 incomplete ebooks since last week. Posts to listservs coming tomorrow or Wednesday! - Galadriel C. from Android
I just happened on this tweet, which I think may involve people who aren't in the conversation going on here, but is definitely related: https://twitter.com/whateve... - Catherine Pellegrino
I just tried the "refer to print version" search in ebrary and 30 books we own showed up in the search results. 29 included omitted figures and illustrations and the 30th was the book above that excludes entire chapters. - Galadriel C.
And it gets curiouser and curiouser for now the Ebrary e-book mysteriously includes all previously missing content with no notice or further explanation. (This isn't go to stop the listserv post from happening though!) - Galadriel C.
"cheese it, the cops! I mean, the librarians!" - RepoRat
This can also happen in Gale Virtual Reference Library. We bought the multi-volume American Decades: Primary Sources from them, only to find that in a significant number of cases, the introduction to the primary source was there, but the primary source itself was not. When we realized this we stamped our feet and complained, with the results you might expect. - JffKrlsn
Most of the talk here has been about Ebrary, which we don't use at MPOW, but I can confirm that at least one book from EBL is missing chapters (Introducing Don DeLillo edited by Frank Lentricchia, Duke UP). (EDITED: we haven't actually bought it yet, but it's in our catalogue for PDA purchase) - Megan loves summer
Just to follow-up on Megan's note, that yes, this problem does indeed apply to all e-book aggregators. We found the above example in Ebrary, but ProQuest has confirmed that EBL is also impacted but continues to note that it's not a big deal because it's not common. As it turns out the faculty member that requested the book above is acquainted with the book's author and the faculty member has alerted the author of this problem. Per the faculty member, the author is not pleased. - Galadriel C.
I found 5 books missing images in our ebrary collection and 26 books missing content in our myilibrary collection (all images except for one book missing four poems). - DJF from Android
It's a while before my next deadline, but I haven't gotten in any trouble for a while, so I'm thinking about writing this up for my next LJ column, unless it's resolved by then. Would y'all be okay with that (it's fine if not)? Would you want yourself and/or your institution mentioned? Would it be okay if the column linked to this thread? - RepoRat
Silence = consent? - JffKrlsn from Android
RR - please do! I will also forward you a copy of the list post once it is sent. - Galadriel C.
Thank you, Galadriel! (Anyone else, please feel free to object! I will not be upset in any way if you do!) - RepoRat
Does anyone have an EBL example? Our rep says it's only for ebrary content, but your responses indicate otherwise. Thank you Galadriel and all - you do a great service by sharing this information. - Jen
Hey Jen - the above book had missing content in both Ebrary and EBL last week. We bought the Ebrary version and previewed the EBL version to check across platforms when we discovered the EBL problem. Unfortunately, I don't have screen shots. I don't know if the content appeared in EBL as it did in Ebrary this week though. Also, you're most welcome! - Galadriel C. from Android
The book's title, interestingly enough, is The Corporate Responsibility Code Book by Deborah Leipziger. Per the faculty member at MPOW work that knows the author, the author was not happy to learn that some of the content was missing in the e-book. - Galadriel C. from Android
I'm not speaking on behalf of my institution here, but would love to see the thread in an LJ article. - Megan loves summer
Oh, and I have a screenshot from EBL (Introducing Don DeLillo), which is missing a couple of chapters. Let me know if you want it. - Megan loves summer
Megan - if your up for sharing the screenshot, I would be happy to include it in the listserv post that I'm working on! - Galadriel C.
Galadriel--which listserv, if you don't mind me asking? - YvonneM
ERIL-L and LIBLICENSE-L as well as the list for the Boston Library Consortium's Heads of Resource Management community of interest that I'm a part of because the BLC has a pilot consortial PDA with Ebrary. I was planning to post last week, but the situation keeps changing and becoming more bizarre and I didn't want to post right before the holiday weekend. - Galadriel C.
checking in RE posting, has the post posted? - maʀtha
Not yet, I'll post here once it has been sent! - Galadriel C.
Doing that "Refer to the print edition" search in our ebrary library came up with 97 titles, 94 of which were published by Liberty Fund Inc. - that phrase is usually on a page in the front matter, between a cover page and the title page. I only mention that because it doesn't seem like that would be important content. That said, 3 other titles are missing images for sure. - Grumpator
Huh. So, like, that was the only page missing? Weird. (Who removes the half-title page just 'cuz?) - RepoRat
Yeah - though here's one (The Free Sea by Hugo Grotius) that has a cover page, "page intentionally left blank," series title page, then 3 pages "refer to the print edition" (pages iv-vi), then the real title page. Seems so weird. What could possibly be on those pages that can only be seen in the print edition? - Grumpator
In most print-book designs, two of those pages would be blank (because verso) and the third might be an epigraph or a dedication or something? I can't imagine why they'd take out a freakin' epigraph. Oh, wait -- possibly a frontispiece? Lack of image permissions could be a thing. - RepoRat
Seems to be. I just found one, same publisher, that seems to be missing an image in chapter 10, so their omissions are not limited to just Front Matter content. Which means that my list of 97 titles just became a bit more significant. - Grumpator
Walt Crawford
Serious question and quandary: Someone hearing about the new OA journal analysis I'm doing says, in essence, "I assume you'll make the spreadsheet available for crowdsourced verification and further analysis." I do not see this as being a good idea, and if pushed on it would be inclined to drop the project ...
I'd hate to do that at this point, since I've already looked at (individually) 7,818 out of around 11,500 journals and "journals" in the project. But I'm using a variety of approximation techniques to make the project less overwhelming, and I can just see, e.g., Beall downloading the spreadsheet, finding that my numbers (which will NEVER be used citing individual journals) are off for two or three journals, and... - Walt Crawford
... proclaiming "See? I said Crawford's stuff was bilge." (He's already used that word.) Whereas, of course, JB simply avoids facts, sticking with "I suspect" and "It seems unlikely" and the like. - Walt Crawford
Anyway, if it's really Improper for me to do this work--which will lead, as in the July '14 C&I, to discussions of patterns, NOT of individual journals--and NOT make the spreadsheets available, then I may very well give it up, blowing seven weeks of effort but saving 4-6 more weeks. - Walt Crawford
So: the question: Am I being unreasonable? If I'm unwilling to make the spreadsheets available, should I just drop the project? Advice very much wanted. (As I go off and do the next 10 journals...) - Walt Crawford
It's a good open data question. I can see a lot of value in the release of the data--if you're clear both a readme file and the final document about how/what you've summarized and approximated. JB's going to be skeptical anyway;he's already decided against you, I would try not to make this decision based on him (which is hard!). In my mind sharing the data gives your work/words more... more... - Hedgehog
You are in no way obliged to. I think it would be interesting and useful to others though. Whether you do or don't, you should be transparent about your approximation techniques. Then if you do make the dataset open and people complain a number is off you can just say "Well duh, see how I talked about approximation techniques? Feel free to make a better dataset if you've got the months/years of time spare." But if you don't want to make the dataset open, that doesn't mean the rest of the project is useless. - Deborah Fitchett
I think my reaction might very well be the same. The spreadsheets weren't "designed" for crowdsourcing, and the whole thing makes me nervous as hell. Of course, I could just blank out all the journal names, but that would make the spreadsheets close to worthless... - Walt Crawford
Deborah: My response was to Hedgehog. Yes, I do plan to discuss the shortcuts/approximations used, as I normally would. Thanks for the additional thoughts. - Walt Crawford
Is there a small representative sample that you could show to explain how you evaluated the data, and to explain how some people might interpret some things differently, and then say that the big spreadsheets are available on request? But then I wonder if JB would bother to ask for the data. Would he do that so he could nitpick? - Joe
Joe: Yes, if I go to the extra work on a sample--although there are two issues, evaluation (is this an A, B, or C?) and actual counting (where I've used shortcuts at times). In either case, then I'd need to (a) prepare a readme in some detail and (b) respond to requests. Grant funding for this project has been notoriously lacking... - Walt Crawford
I guess what I'm saying is "Is it irresponsible to not make the data available?" in which case maybe the best bet is to shut down the project. Deborah's saying it's *not* irresponsible; I appreciate that. - Walt Crawford
bump: I could really use a little more feedback on this, if anybody else is interested. - Walt Crawford
It's much easier saying what you should do with your data than doing it with my data. I totally get what you're saying. My thoughts were: I didn't document enough, my code (or calculations) done in Excel were done the hard way, the data are dirty, maybe someone else will see something in there I missed.... But as not you, I really think you should try to release under a cc-0 license or... more... - Christina Pikas
also, you are looking for sponsorship or more publishing opportunities, I think, and this could bring more attention and respect for your work. More trust from the people you want to attract. - Christina Pikas
oh and it's not irresponsible to not share. but it is generous to share. i doubt beall would take the time and effort to re-do your analysis. I really do. And if he does, so what! - Christina Pikas
Christina: Thanks for that. The odds of sponsorship are so low that I've mostly given up, and I've cut back on publishing opportunities for the moment. I'll have to think about this. - Walt Crawford
So its a bit late now but I always now try to figure out at the beginning of an analysis what can and can't be (easily) shared and bear that in mind as I work on something. I would always err on the side of release, even where its messy because the upsides generally are larger than the downsides. Problem is the upsides are all less noisy than certain downsides. If it were me, under... more... - Cameron Neylon
Turns out the person suggesting release is actually suggesting release of the spreadsheet(s) used in the July article--and alternatively suggests that I recruit a small team of experts who could reanalyze/deepen the analysis. Not likely to happen, honestly. I'm now satisfied that it's not reprehensible/irresponsible to *not* release the spreadsheets. Beyond that...well, I'll keep thinking about it. Thanks all for your help. - Walt Crawford
[Curiously, just reading a long discussion involving "reanalysis" of data, in an entirely different field, and it doesn't encourage me: basically says that the only reason people reanalyze is to attempt to refute] - Walt Crawford
… in related news, this conversation is useful for us as we think about trying to persuade our colleagues to release their data. it nicely illustrates the pros & cons of data sharing in our discipline. And I agree with all the points listed above. :-/ - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Bumping only because I just did a blog post about this...http://walt.lishost.org/2014... - Walt Crawford
Hmmm...interesting. The clinical trial analogy isn't a bad one. Also makes you realise that if you 'anonymised' the dataset then re-identification wouldn't be hard. I think there is some value in such a dataset (looking at correlations, subsets etc) but given the re-identification risk the work involved in effective anonymisation might be more than its worth. - Cameron Neylon
Thanks, Cameron. Others? (I should probably publicize the blog post on Google+, since OAfolk seem to hang out there. Will do so.) (Have now done so.) - Walt Crawford
Christina Pikas
I am amazed - on a listserv (posts weirdly arriving out of order) someone actually defended a publisher for obvious exchange rate profiteering because they fund events at SLA. I can't even.
exchange rate profiteering is when a (mostly) UK publisher charges US the highest the dollar was for the entire year - even if only at that level for an hour. So say it's usually 1:1.1 but one day something weird happens and it's 1:1.8. they'd charge the 1.8 for the year. - Christina Pikas
And so odd that someone would use the word "profiteering" in their defense of it. Seems like you'd be a little more weaselly about it. Maybe they don't know what it means? - Meg VMeg
I would like to see what the budget of the IOP is. This person noted "I doubt, based on the information I know, that society publishers are making 30%+ profit annually." The ACS is probably close to that number. I would not be surprised if the IOP gets close to the percentage of what the ACS pockets for other society functions and for their endowment. - Joe
I just responded to the list. Wonder how the publisher will respond. I bet they don't like me as much now. But, it seemed odd that no one was asking the question wondering how much profit that they are putting back into the society. - Joe
Many seem to think that it is ok that libraries are supporting non-publishing activities of societies. Because society members are in our institutions, so it comes back to help the institution in the end? (The University doesn't have to pay as much to register 3 faculty members for a conference?) What about all of the subscribers to a journal who don't have members, but still have to... more... - Joe
Well, I think there's a teensy distinction worth respecting: it's usually nunuvourbizness really what anybody does with the money paid for the literature. When it STARTS being our business is when we're being massively overcharged and f***ed over and told "it's okay that we're f***ing you over, because we're a SCHOLARLY SOCIETY!" That is just F***ED. UP. - RepoRat
I'm with Joe and John on this. If we want to support the society, we can become institutional members of the society and/or increase the number of our employees who are members and support their activities in the organization. When we pay for the literature, that's what we should get, plus a little saved for archiving, to save up for the next tech refresh, etc. I seem to remember that's what APS does. - Christina Pikas
FWIW, I just checked with our ethics about a springer event to be held at the peabody with free lunch and cocktails. I have to pay for anything over $20 and then get MPOW to reimburse. Pretty sure I should be doing that at conferences, too. Looking at a publisher favorably because they bought be a drink last summer is soooo not ethical, imo. - Christina Pikas
It's acceding to bribery, not so? - RepoRat
Seems like it but a least two people on the list made it sound like it was the opposite. I wonder if the vendors thought they were buying me? I hope not. I listened to their pitches and I maybe had more information about their products, but I tried to be as fair as possible. - Christina Pikas
Whatever they thought... you are, like, the last person I can imagine succumbing to payola. - RepoRat
I went to 4Cs, a conference for writing instructors, in Atlanta a few years ago. The textbook publishers ran busses to the ball park that they had hired. Tons of food, open bar, you could use the batting cages, and students pay $60 for their writing handbooks. Full disclosure: I have done freelance work for this publisher, but I was struck by the irony of hungry grad students and... more... - barbara fister
Which, of course, is the very dilemma that library associations face, using funds from Elsevier to put on conferences where librarians grab swag and then make speeches about evil Elsevier. And we wonder why we get absued by big publishing. They figure we don't mean it. And we keep cutting those big checks. - barbara fister
The IOP does put on good receptions throughout the conference. Many people may view the association in a favorable light because of the way libns are treated. - Joe
Oh, I thought exchange rate profiteering was when a US publisher charges $19 in the US for a book, and £19 in UK, and €19 in the rest of Europe. - April Russo
That is one way to do it. - Joe
Sarah G.
RT @meggardiner1: Here’s to their courage. RT @brookejarvis: Wow. 5 authors of the Ebola paper out in Science today have died of Ebola. http://news.sciencemag.org/health...
RT @meggardiner1: Here’s to their courage. RT @brookejarvis: Wow. 5 authors of the Ebola paper out in Science today have died of Ebola. http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/08/ebolas-heavy-toll-study-authors
Tragic. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Hedgehog
How do you/should I track citations of a book where I wrote one chapter but that chapter isn't specifically cited?
Isn't = can't or hasn't ? If scopus indexes the book it wil show chapters. There's also metrics from gs if you self archives - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Hasn't, I think? Here's the chapter in question (http://scholar.google.com/citatio...) GS lists 4 citations (with *) but in the references, the authors of those papers only mention the book, not my chapter. - Hedgehog
DJF
It looks like there WAS a video? :-(
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Hmm... Still not clear on collaborative writing - DJF from Android
This is probably obvious to you (but it wasn't to me): you have to use a different CWYW plugin for EndNote Web than you would for "normal" EndNote. - Meg VMeg
That wasn't obvious, but I figured it out eventually - DJF from Android
And...did it work then? Or no? - Meg VMeg
That doesn't make sense. In he video I saw they said use enw to collaborate with desktop users - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Collaborating with multi-author on reference managers whether Endnote, mendeley, Zotero always confuses me. There are multiple ways to share libraries, but what about editing the document? Is it safe to upload the document on a shared drive, dropbox etc and people edit it with the "Same" (in terms of references) library. - aaron
Sure, you can use ENW to share/edit references with desktop users, but you can't write collaboratively with the desktop CWYW (unless it's a complicated traveling library situation?) Has to be ENW CWYW is my understanding. Happy to be wrong. - Meg VMeg
DJF
Endnote Web Basic question: It seems that I can share folders with other people. Can we work collaboratively on a paper that uses those citations, the way that Zotero and Mendeley work? There's nothing in the documentation that I can find about it.
There's a video about it. I think so but never tried - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Yes, this is possible. In the CWYW preferences there's a place where you can point Word to EndNote Web rather than EndNote, and then (in theory) your group of researchers will all be using CWYW to pull refs from the same shared library. I tested this with co-workers and it worked, but we only did it for about ten minutes, so I don't know how it would handle large papers with large libraries. Although I can't remember the details on pointing CWYW to the right shared folder... but IIRC it worked. - Regular Amanda
Victor Ganata
I never thought about this before, but are the space shuttles actually capable of being flown through the air? I always assumed that landing the shuttle was really more of a controlled fall and that spaceships generally don't make good planes nor vice-versa.
I suppose the reason why they flew the shuttle on jumbo jets might simply be because jet fuel is still way cheaper than rocket fuel. - Victor Ganata
I don't think it has any engine to support regular flight. - Eric
That's what I thought. The space shuttle is the main reason why science fiction that depicts spaceships being able to fly like a plane when in the atmosphere of planet has always had a tendency to break my suspension of disbelief :D - Victor Ganata
No the space shuttle can't fly it's not designed for flight aerodynamically, weight wise, or propulsion systems. It's essentially a cinder block with rockets attached. - Steve C Team Marina
My former brother in law was in aerospace in the USAF and told me when elected officials came by for a tour they would always ask for a shuttle that could take off and land like a plane. Then he'd roll his eyes. - Eric
Nasa and or darpa have had some "space plane" projects over the years. lots of money with limited success, I think. - Christina Pikas
The Space Shuttle acts as a glider on reentry and absolutely is designed for aerodynamic flight. It generates lift and is controllable. It has a glide ratio of about 4.5 to 1, which compares to 9 to 1 for a Cessna. - Brian Johns
^This. The shuttle is technically a "lifting body" design. So, somewhat more aerodynamic than a brick. But the mythical spaceplane is actually not outside the realm of possibility; it's really a function of having a new engine technology. Like this: http://www.bbc.com/news... - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Going back to your original question, I guess it depends on what you consider "flown through the air". It is flown through the air every time it lands. But if you're talking about horizontal takeoff or powered horizontal flight, then no, it wasn't designed for that. - Brian Johns
Yeah, horizontal takeoff/powered flight. So basically the space shuttle isn't like an X-Wing or a Federation shuttlecraft or a Veritech fighter :) - Victor Ganata
I wonder if the Skylon would be able to fly out to the ISS? It's technically only "a few hundred km above the Earth" - Victor Ganata
Probably not the Skylon itself, because the ISS is in a relatively high orbit so it would require a lot of fuel. But the same technology could probably be applied to a larger air/spacecraft. Assuming it works. - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Of course, something like this is going to be the preferred method for getting into low earth orbit... http://www.nbcnews.com/science... - Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Man, if even Elon Musk thinks a space elevator is going be unfeasible for a *long* time…. Of course, he has a vested interest in it *not* becoming viable, but, still…. - Victor Ganata
MariWeaver
Casually upset because when I thought I paid for online access to the book for a course, it was only for the supplementary material.
Bummer. :( - Anne Bouey
Yeah, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes. - Kirsten
It happens :( - Christina Pikas
Ugh, yeah. There's a slide in the textbooks lecture from my publishers-and-libraries course I probably need to add this practice to... - RepoRat
blech, sorry. - Marie
Christina Pikas
Maryland announces new MLS advisory board. Good. School, public, university libraries and government and private archives represented. Good. Some men, more women. Good. No one from for-profit corporations or SLA or law firms or medical libraries. Not so good. Of course, Maryland has not really targeted law librarians or medical librarians, afaik
Hmm. - Joe
That's weird considering its location and the number of Maryland alumni I've met through SLA. - kendrak
From the inside... part of this is limited networks on the part of faculty, part of it is limited availability of the types of people we need more of. Suggesting names to us is ALWAYS helpful. - RepoRat
well, i have to say that SLA has had meet and greets down at Maryland like maybe 8 times over the past year or so. With law librarians, medical librarians, corporates, etc., for mls students to meet and chat with people in the field. another independent information professional has been featured a few times on their website... so I find it hard to believe they couldn't find anyone. - Christina Pikas
We need as an industry to do CRM better, yeah. I get this kind of internal inquiry constantly, and the reason I usually can't answer is that I see upwards of a hundred students a year and I. cannot. remember. them. all. Much less where they all end up. The perfect person could be right under my nose and I honestly wouldn't know because the name doesn't ring a bell. YOU SUCK, DUNBAR LIMIT. - RepoRat
maʀtha
Time for another round of What's on Your Get Stuff Done Soundtrack! Go!
I just discovered Alice Smith: http://www.allmusic.com/album... Two of her albums are free in Amazon Prime Music. - maʀtha
also, there are a bunch of Prince albums on Prime Music - maʀtha
The soundtrack to Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. - WebGoddess
oooh, good suggestion - maʀtha
Though I'm not sure I could do sit-down work to that (the PQotD soundtrack). It does keep me moving on "oh my god I have to clean the house before I get buried in a pile of junk and end up on Hoarders" days. - WebGoddess
Listening to WWOZ online. New Orleans music FTW! - John Dupuis
Huh, I saw a wwoz sticker on a Colorado car yesterday. - Joe
Holy Fuck. - DJF
I was thinking to myself that it was odd to see an NO sticker on a car here. - Joe
The DeVotchKa Pandora station keeps me going. - Marie
Just to clarify, Holy fuck: https://www.youtube.com/watch... - DJF
hahahaha - maʀtha
cleaning - Natural Born Killers soundtrack or ABBA - depending on the mood :) - Christina Pikas
Perfect song for cleaning: https://www.youtube.com/watch... :) - L to tha B
Minor Threat. - Stephen Francoeur
Hedgehog
How 'Google Science' could transform academic publishing (Wired UK) - http://www.wired.co.uk/news...
Would this only until they don't see a high enough monetization rate and then it closes ala Reader/other cool shuttered Google projects? - Hedgehog from Bookmarklet
so that article... if you go through it ... sounds like it was some proposal that was batted around and never got traction. or maybe this is them socializing the idea? - Christina Pikas
Yeah, they were very careful to say this appeared to still be in the theoretical stages (winky face, etc). But as much money as is in STEM publishing, it doesn't feel entirely far fetched. - Hedgehog
I would place my bet on "Google has alienated too many potential early adopters with earlier faceplants to achieve traction with this." I could, however, be wrong -- Internet use is up enough in STEM since then that there might be a large enough pool to pull from. - RepoRat
Just reading a book by an early Google employee; apparently the founders originally wanted to Publish Everything, be the channel for all media. I'm guessing they've lowered their sights (or come to understand antitrust and little issues like that). - Walt Crawford
Sarah G.
Hallway Feces Was Only the Beginning of EPA's Region 8 Problems http://www.govexec.com/managem... via @onswipe
Hallway Feces Was Only the Beginning of EPA's Region 8 Problems http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/08/hallway-feces-was-only-beginning-epas-region-8-problems/92225/ via @onswipe
What? I do t have time to read this now. - Joe
All the comments are about Obama - ha- like the president can do anything about career civil servants - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I almost think that lifer federal civil servants can give academics a run for their money in the "crazy and socially unacceptable behavior" race. - Sarah G.
and the "retired-on-active-duty" race. - Christina Pikas
ಠ_ಠ - sglassme
Sarah G.
Archives from four federal circuits pulled from PACER. https://www.pacer.gov/announc... YOU HAD ONE JOB, PACER, ONE JOB.
The lack of explanation as to why is alarming - Hedgehog from Android
wow, what?! not good. - RepoRat
Apparently it's a storage space issue? Which makes less sense than no explanation. - Sarah G.
Wha? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I didn't think coverage was optional by circuit - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Monique Judge
RT @blowticious: Trash newspaper. RT @StephBMore: No mention of his acceptance to college, or any good he did. Fuck you @nytimes http://t.co/XLmgzxUdAw
RT @blowticious: Trash newspaper. RT @StephBMore: No mention of his acceptance to college, or any good he did. Fuck you @nytimes http://t.co/XLmgzxUdAw
Next para is "At the same time, he regularly flashed a broad smile that endeared those around him. He overcame early struggles in school to graduate on time. He was pointed toward a trade college and a career and, his parents hoped, toward a successful life. But then came the fatal encounter with Officer Wilson." They love being dramatic. - Meg VMeg
I thought the whole stealing thing had been disproven. He bought one and left another box at the counter or something ? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Note the clever wording: "the police say..."--which would be true no matter how much it was unproven/disproven. Geez: "lived in a community that had rough patches." Like, say, Oakland, Berkeley, San Francisco, Livermore, Mountain View, Palo Alto, New York, Chicago...indeed, almost every town/city anywhere. - Walt Crawford
Meg, as I explained on Twitter, even with the the next paragraph outlining the good, it's still bad form to publish this in this way ON THE DAY HIS FAMILY IS LAYING HIM TO REST (caps for emphasis, not yelling). NYT did not even follow inverted pyramid here. Allegations should be listed after facts. - Monique Judge
Not to mention all of this is irrelevant, because Darren Wilson would not have known his life history when he encountered him on the street, so none of this had anything with the shooting. Outlining his bad traits in this matter seems to be a bit of agenda setting of the "he had it coming" type. - Monique Judge
That NYT would publish a shamefully bad and biased article is, unfortunately, no longer newsworthy. - Walt Crawford
do anyone have the citation? I'd love to bring this to my journalism profs, esp. the ones who teach obituary writing. I can't tell if this is an obituary, but it sure looks like it. Doesn't have that nice obituary feel tho. feh. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Christina Pikas
now, back from camping, at work, beautiful day, beautiful weather. son of a bitch.
but cute thing ms. 2 said... I caught my marshmallow on fire. She was like: "oy, she burnt it" It was hilarious. And oy? - Christina Pikas
Marie
Elder care is hard.
Thanx, just tired. There are nachos here so everything is ok. - Marie from iPhone
it sure is. +++ on the nachos. - holly #ravingfangirl
hugs from here, too. - Catherine Pellegrino
Yes indeed - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Yes. - Galadriel C. from Android
it is very hard i wish many nachos in your future - Steve C Team Marina
It is. Glad for nachos. - Jen
*hugs* I'm glad you have the nachos. Elder care is very difficult. It is exhausting physically and emotionally. - vicster: full-bodied
It really is - maʀtha
{{hugs}} - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
laura x
Survey: When I see a police officer, I feel ____________. DM me if you don't want to answer publicly.
nothing - MoTO: Team Marina
intimidated - RepoRat
Defensive - Christina Pikas from iPhone
curious. (As in, what is the officer doing, thinking, investigating. I see officers every day at my train station since it's connected to the airport.) - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
reflexively afraid. unless I know them personally. (have since I was a kid. raised in a hippie context.) when I lived in a high-crime neighborhood, I generally felt relieved to see them, because it took them forever to show up when called, and they never patrolled our area - so if they were there, they were at least *interrupting* something bad going down. not sure I'd feel that way now. - Marianne
Anxious. (Even though I stopped speeding years ago.) - laura x from iPhone
Nothing - Amir
anxious - maʀtha
Grateful or anxious, depending on if I'm in a car or at work. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Grateful. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Careful - Todd Hoff
Meh. - Joe
If I see an officer and the lights are spinning on a car that he or she may be in, then I get a little anxious. - Joe
nothing one way or the other - Just VAL #TEAMMARINA
grateful that we seem to have a skilled serve & protect department, not a paramilitary force. - Walt Crawford
Anxious. The two times I've called them for help: embarrassed. I never realized just how much my parents managed to inculcate me with the whole "never talk to cops" thing that probably a lot of immigrants from developing countries have. - Victor Ganata
Conscientious. - Julian
Curious, mostly. But depending in the situation, that feeling might be anxiety, anger, or relief. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Nothing. It is about as noteworthy as seeing a fast food worker or UPS guy. They're just someone doing their job in an immediately recognizable uniform. - Soup in a TARDIS
Curious, but it's also contextual. If I seem them coming in where I work, I do wonder what's wrong (we've had the police come in to arrest people in the past). - Katy S
Self-aware. Am I acting normal enough? AM I ACTING TOO NORMAL? What would a normal person do, in my situation? - Meg VMeg
^ This right here. I start to immediately wonder if I'm doing anything that might get me in trouble or make me seem suspicious, even though I know perfectly well that I've done nothing wrong. - Hookuh Tinypants
Oh, yeah...totally what Meg and Amanda are talking about. Why do I suddenly feel like I got caught on my way to the kitchen to sneak a cookie at night? - (Curtis) Alan Jackson
Is it possible for Meg to act normal? Or anyone? - Joe
Curious, self-conscious, possibly defensive depending on the context. - Corinne L
Cautious. Self-aware works, too. - Lola Bean (Penguin)
Tense, anxious, self conscious. Usually it's seeing a police car while driving which means I immediately slow down even though I'm rarely gouing more than 5 mph over the limit. - Galadriel C. from Android
Agree on the context. Curious/bland. I lived with a NY city cop (he's married to one of my best friends, we shared an apt when he was in academy) and both this apt/last I live 2 blocks from police station. I am at ease w/ the liaison from CPD that I see at work all the time, though other officers in MPOW make me nervous. - Hedgehog from Android
Anxious, defensive (if in US). Nothing (if in Norway). - Jenny H. from Android
Norwegian's make me nervous. They eat Reindeer. - Eric Logan
Curious. - Melly - #TeamMarina
Especially if in traffic I know he's above the law. Speeding, no turn signals, weaving around btwn lanes, running red lights, anything everybody else would get pulled over for. So I just get out of the way. Because who pulls over a cop? - Otherwise, not much to be felt. - Uli
Christina Pikas
Cold and wet in a tent in a cool park with hiking trails the babies and I can't enjoy
Rain forecast through the day and over night. May stay later tomorrow o make up - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Marie
Check cost of living before getting too excited - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Killjoy. ;) - Marie
Sarah G.
Related: I have been informed that my cholesterol number is "dangerously low" and am instructed to try and raise it 32 points. (To 150)
You are the only person to get a prescription to eat meat. - sglassme
Lots of eggs and bacon - Joe
Welcome to my world: "extra butter and sour cream on that baked potato please" - WarLord
@sglassme - it's even better than that. I was told specifically to eat a lot more fat. - Sarah G.
"Could I get two bacon cheeseburgers? I'm trying to eat healthy." - Andrew C (✔)
"Is it....is it possible to deep fry buns? If so, hit me up with that while you're at it." - Sarah G.
oh, buns painted with butter and put on the grill before using ... mmm - Christina Pikas
JEALOUS! - MoTO: Team Marina
"QUICK, this man needs a hot beef infection STAT!" - Johnny from iPhone
Come to the UK, we probably still have some hot infected beef ;) - Pete : Team Marina
"Hot Infected Beef", my new stripper name. - MoTO: Team Marina
Bacillus Barry, the Rod of Love - Pete : Team Marina
*fans self* - Big Joe Silence
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Summon users -- have you made decisions about keeping, paying for, or killing Flow yet? We've recommended we turn off Flow, until they develop RIS export functionality. Just curious if others have been making like decisions
Turned it off as well almost ASAP when it was launched. Didnt think there was anything that stood out at the time. Given that we don't even support reference managers that aren't named EndNote, and fact it was near to our semester start (we started early Aug) was a fairly easy decision. That said, I think there is export RIS functionality exposed now (just checked), initially when it launched I asked about it too, worrying about lock-in - aaron
we've asked to turn it off - weelibrarian
We are going to have it turned off. - Joe
Thanks for reinforcing my thoughts about it - DJF from Android
mad about flow. it doesn't have a ton of the features i need, but i want something that integrates with google docs. - Christina Pikas
Christina, have you seen this: http://zoteromusings.wordpress.com/2013... It's not "integrated" but seems like it could do in a pinch. Or this is the quick and dirty way for Scrivener, and seems like it would work for Google Docs: http://thedigitalresearcher.com/how-to-... - Meg VMeg
We have it on, but we subscribe to O.G. Refworks and Flow. - kaijsa
We're hoping to turn it back on over winter break, there's a lot of great potential there. And I feel much better now, knowing that many of you all have similar concerns. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Christina, you can still use it, even if your school turns it off. I think the URL is flow.proquest.com, and you just work with the bookmarklet instead of Summon integration. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Aaron, where did you find the RIS export info? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
We have no intention of turning it off and we don't have summon either because our search results with it were very weird - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Rudi, I saw it by trying flow on another library's Summon instance. Also see pic.twitter.com/GJZl6jJRGq - aaron
John Dupuis
RT @kanderson: Professional societies in the US are growing concerned about public access policies. http://thehill.com/blogs...
Hear that sound? That is a big loud FUD! - Joe
Poor babies. Here, have a world's smallest violin. - RepoRat
The hill is widely read by staffers. Hopefully this won't have any impact - Christina Pikas from iPhone
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh - RepoRat
There was a lot of the same kind of FUD here about the coming Tri-Agency OA policy. "Ooooh, but what about the societies?" - John Dupuis
"Our professional society provides so little real value to its members that we can only survive because of library subsidies. Help us maintain our budgets by draining library budgets!" - Walt Crawford
Bingo. Same with government's funding research. They don't fund research for the sake of supporting society or commercial publishers' journal programs. They fund research for lots of reasons, but none of them involve making sure that publishers are taken care of. As a result, government OA mandates shouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about how mandating OA is going to affect the... more... - John Dupuis
^^^ Bingo is right. - Joe
Christina Pikas
so CHORUS and PORTICO have reached an agreement - I guess the publishers are trying to even keep DoE from having to have a dark archive
"(New York, NY August 18, 2014) The not-for-profit digital archive Portico and CHORUS (Clearinghouse for the Open Research of the United States) have entered into an agreement to support the preservation requirements of the policy memorandum released in February 2013 by the White House’s Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP). This policy directs United States federal agencies to develop plans to make articles reporting on the research they fund freely available to the public immediately or after an embargo period, and highlights requirements needed to ensure long-term access to this research through preservation." via liblicense - Christina Pikas
L to tha B
RT @wtfrenaissance: Tina looked over the prints from her children's portrait session. Anne Geddes work had certainly taken a dark turn. http://t.co/VKKUeO1K33
RT @wtfrenaissance: Tina looked over the prints from her children's portrait session. Anne Geddes work had certainly taken a dark turn. http://t.co/VKKUeO1K33
Except for probably in remembrance of a deceased baby - Christina Pikas from iPhone
aaron
Spoke to someone who told me they systematically upload their school's output to ssrn who asked me why they should change (or in addition) to uploading to our institutional repository . That is a really good question..... I am thinking there is no reason?
ssrn is indexed in Google Scholar, has its own builtin audience (and no one cares our IR is in our Summon instance), has better statistics than our current Dspace implementation (we don't even have stats for downloads). I don't think you can use the sustainability argument either. - aaron from YouFeed
Only possible argument - not persuasive - is for the prestige of the institution and to be discoverable with other things from institution. I heard of someone (Purdue ?) who just did some sort of export from arxiv to populate their ir - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I heard theoretically is possible but besides technical issues is it legal? Eg Get a blanket agreement to upload everything from a Subject repository to your institutional repository. Or do you have to seek permission, author by author? And yeah, I basically went with... Well.. our IR is likely going to be responsive to your needs etc while SR are going to be well... generic. Not sure if I believe what I was saying.... - aaron
If there's CC licensing of almost any stripe on the stuff in arXiv, yeah, it's legal. Ain't like the IR is gonna remove attribution, now, is it? Anyway, there's been some investigation indicating that the more URLs you can find something at, the more it gets read. Let me see if I bookmarked any of it. - RepoRat
Your IR might not be as responsive as SSRN. the disciplinary repositories are pretty squared away for the specific needs of their particular users. Some IRs are bound by the outdated ideas of their bureaucracies. Anyway - I'd agree with RR that it should be a both situation ,not an either-or - Christina Pikas
oh, SSRN prolly won't be happy with mass download/reupload, and last I remember they watermark their stuff, so tread carefully. - RepoRat
Thanks so much for the aallnet linky! Very timely, as I'm currently talking with law academics about where to archive and where to create profiles when there are so many options. I vote for both IR and SSRN, too, and the comments here will help me explain that!! One point against SSRN: it is super clunky for uploading. - Megan loves summer
Depending on who you talk to, you might also be able to make a digital-preservation belt-and-suspenders argument: Lots Of Copies (in responsible places) Keeps Stuff Safe! - RepoRat
Wow thanks RR for that article. Is interesting how the data seems to indicate that SSRN has less visibility to Google then to IRs. That's a interesting fact if it can be backed-up. - aaron
I would be happier with that article if they followed a lot more articles - Christina Pikas from iPhone
More research definitely warranted, Christina. But as a persuasion tool, I do think that article can be useful. - RepoRat
my lawdawgs (their term) LOVE SSRN. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I had a conversation with one of our law librarians who said that their faculty were less than happy with ssrn but keep using it because everyone in law goes there. I think the google ads were making them unhappy? I'll have to doublecheck with her. She pushes ideals as well but doing an upload twice isn't happening (understandably). - Sarah from FreshFeed
*sigh* I really wanted SWORD to make upload-once-deposit-several-places a thing, but it never did. - RepoRat
Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Anyone have firsthand knowledge of a public library/community college library partnership? Or if you could point me to case studies or examples.
Are you talking sharing space? ILS? Collection? Budget? We share our ILS with our community college and share materials via in house ILL. Users have separate HCPL *the library*and HCC (the community college) accounts because we have different circulation periods and fines. - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫
[deleted my comment because I obviously don't know what I'm talking about] - Betsy
When I was a student at Everett Community College (WA), the college library was also a branch of Everett Public Library. It looks like that's no longer the case. Here in Wyoming, all the public libraries and community colleges share an ILS and database packages. http://www-wsl.state.wy.us/wyld... We at the university are part of the Colorado Alliance, which includes both publics and academics in the shared catalog. http://prospector.coalliance.org/ - kaijsa
I think Carroll county md does, too. Or they used to - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I can't say much because it's casual discussion (which could get serious soon). Mostly want to see different ways it might look. Thanks! - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
I've been involved in some partnering between a satellite campus of our community college and a public library; it is currently very loose and informal; we tried some tighter integration but it didn't work. One of our sister colleges has a joint-use MOE with the public library for one of its satellite campuses (although there is no info about that available online that I can find!). - JffKrlsn
Phoenix Public Library/South Mountain CC Library in Phoenix (RepoRat linked it above). It's been pretty popular (it's my local PL), and I know some of the librarians there, if you want a contact. - Grumpator
Thank you, thank you! - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
There's the library Chad Mairn works at in Florida - maʀtha
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