I must say, I'm impressed with suggestions that Overdrive should sell itself to "libraries." Why, if only there was an ebook platform owned & operated by, say, a nonprofit group that's effectively a consortium of libraries...what an idea. You could even call it something like, I dunno, WebLibrary or NetBooks?
Sort of. This was an offhand comment, to be sure, but I'm generally a bit skeptical that "sell it to the libraries!" is inherently a good solution to problems like this.
- Walt Crawford
This sounds like that story about the mice agreeing to put a bell around the neck of the cat so they could hear it coming. Everyone thinks it's a good idea, but who is actually going to do it?
- Andy
this is like BB's suggestion that libraries take over scholarly publishing - look at the parts of libraries that are presses already. very little difference between them and university presses, they're just in a different spot in the hierarchy. so if libraries in a cooperative owned a publisher or ebook platform, they'd still have to hire industry people with experience to run it and it would really change nothing
- Christina Pikas
I can't tell if this is realism or defeatism. What would you rather see?
- Your Neighbor Steve
Honestly? I'd rather see multiple initiatives like the "Colorado model," but I think they need to be new ones, not repurposed existing systems.
- Walt Crawford
I think it may be too early in the lib-takeover-of-UP orbit to predict exactly where that'll go. I'm watching Michigan closely.
- RepoRat
As one who has no connection with academic libraries and isn't commenting on them anymore, I'll admit to being more hopeful about libraries taking over university presses, partly because at least it's within the same institution...but hey, I'm a Candide by nature.
- Walt Crawford
"As one who has no connection with academic libraries and isn't commenting on them anymore..." Dude. C'mon.
- Your Neighbor Steve
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
- Walt Crawford
What's Michael thanking me for? I've never done anything but argue with him as far as I remember!(Well, I tried to hook him up with a speaking gig once, but the timing didn't work out.) :-)
- Bill Hooker
The second thing I did was to highlight all the fine folks mentioned that I've had contact with already. I then thought, woah, there's lots of others I don't know. a) why is that and b) I probably should go and check 'em out.
- Graham Steel
I skyped with him a bit (I think?) and exchanged email. Hadn't realized I was in the acks, thanks for pointing this out. fun+happy :)
- Heather Piwowar
My Mum especially was rather proud to see he her Son's name mentioned amongst everyone elses....
- Graham Steel
i read a draft and made comments - and it's nice to be remembered with an ack as well as a copy of the book.
- Christina Pikas
From what I can see (and vaguely remember) Bill, Graham, Heather, Christina, RR, and many others were there on some fondly remember social media service shaping the conversation from around 2007-2010 so I don't think anyone should feel shy about being acknowledged. What someone _should_ do is actually record the history of that early period and the creation of some of those key ideas so...
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- Cameron Neylon
Bah. I hereby cede any ideas I ever had on the subject to the public domain, insofar as I still own copyright in the way I expressed 'em. I don't give a damn about credit, and not much about history.
- RepoRat
I also commented on an early draft and am happy to have a complimentary copy. Which my son Sam is reading right now, precocious teenager that he is. Curiously, Princeton UP contacted me on a couple of additional occasions to offer me a review copy. "Um, you sent me a copy already..."
- John Dupuis
You can cede the rights but you can't cede the history. I will continue to do my damndest to give credit not least because I'm a white middle class middle aged male building on a lot of work by women and people given a significantly less easy ride than I have.
- Cameron Neylon
As the Volcano is on vacation in The Philippines visiting its mother and in reference to a previous comment I made on here, I've been authorized to load a space rocket with all the woes and ills that we are experiencing. This rocket will then be fired off into the sun for maximum burnination of any and all contents. So what are you going to put in?
slow-ass course-management systems. ten-second page loads are WACK.
- RepoRat
2nd RepoRat and Ruth and add opposers of change that cripple experimentation and innovation.
- Galadriel C.
Ditto martha on ailments of all kinds. Will also add my "second!" to Hedgehog's, launching the Committee to Prevent the Future of Anything into the fiery furnace.
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
Insistence that everything must be done at 110% which results in nothing getting done in the next 10 years, when really library users would be thrilled with 70% and tomorrow.
- Galadriel C.
I wish to participate in this Committee to Prevent the Future of Anything. That should be a conference tag.
- Andy
Please do my homework for me? (Getting frazzled and this is icing on cake.) I need a recent book about Vietnam that covers a bit of everything fairly simply. Geography, climate, social, economic, engineering infrastructure, etc. For an ENGR101 class design project which gives idea of level? An ebook would solve many problems but print is fine too.
Lots of pretty maps are a big plus (the lecturer liked "The atlas of Cambodia : national poverty and environment maps." for a similar project in a previous year.) I have more details if it helps but really any ideas would be fantastic.
- Deborah Fitchett
Do you have a subscription to the EIU? The EIU Country Report has maps and general statistics and political summaries and often includes a (small) overview of general infrastructure like railway, roads, energy, etc. -- sometimes a few more details than the CIA World Factbook. Although the CIA World Factbook serves well, has some communication, internet, telephone infrastructure info too.
- Amandadon't
If you were in middle school, I would suggest World Book.
- Betsy
There used to be a country database (kid focused) at CPL but I don't see it anymore. We used that thing extensively....CultureGrams!! Rats, I don't have access right now but CPL has it. (my account is locked, over due book sitting on my desk)
- Hedgehog
Hmm. Qdoba is doing BOGO entree tomorrow if you kiss someone there. I guess it would be inappropriate to ask a coworker to go to Qdoba and kiss me, huh?
elsevier vp of global marketing communications says there's a study of 4000 researchers in which 90% reported "very high satisfaction" with access to research articles... I have requested more details.
You mean like how many of those researchers were *not* at well-funded first-world institutions? (Or how many were independent research...oh, I forgot, there's no such thing.)
- Walt Crawford
yeah like who the hell they asked and precisely what question did they ask them.... the #$%^ moderator on liblicense hasn't seen fit to let my post through yet. If she returns it (which she has done with mine before), i'll resend directly to elsevier
- Christina Pikas
Sounds like something for FakeLibStats on Twitter.
- Andy
i would be interested in how many of that 90% acknowledge that their library probably pays for access.
- Georgie Bestie
You could tweet https://twitter.com/#!... Is that the guy? I think he has noted this stat in some of his blog post comments without a cite.
- Just Joe
this wasn't tom reller, this was another guy... so I sent the message to liblicense at 9:48 this morning and it still hasn't been posted... who runs a listserv like that?
- Christina Pikas
the guy is probably female (oops) but here's the name: Chrysanne Lowe
- Christina Pikas
The STM study done recently came back with results that said no problems with academic of SME access and I have no idea whatsoever how they managed to get those results. I think the questions do need close looking at tho.
- Cameron Neylon
I had an e-mail off list from Richard Poynder who has been in contact with E off list. the survey details are at: http://www.publishingresearch.net/documen... .. the sample is apparently authors who have published in one of 18,000 journals and the question is given on p9
- Christina Pikas
i find this astounding that 78% of respondents in africa said that research journal articles were very or fairly easy to access
- Christina Pikas
I find the whole survey and results fishy. 19 of 20 authors find research articles easy to find? Some of those African authors might get free access to Elsevier articles through a program they have, but that doesn't explain the 78% number.
- Just Joe
Let's see: 82 people in Africa. 96 people in the Middle East. 151 people in Latin America. And all of those people are already published in some set of journals. I'm impressed...
- Walt Crawford
the corporate numbers are way high, too. the people we get here who previously worked at gov't labs or corporations (the big defense companies) always comment on access to the lit
- Christina Pikas
Notably follow up missing...'how much of your access is legal?'
- Cameron Neylon
heh. excellent point. probably the way to ask is "how much of this is through colleagues not at your institution?"
- RepoRat
You'd probably also need to ask people to exclude informal email exchange of PDFs, since published authors are more likely to be part of the invisible colleges. I also wonder whether the low response rate says something...
- Walt Crawford
interestingly, the earlier 2009 study of small company researchers found negligible (1%) use of local academic libraries (respondents wanted online access)
- Christina Pikas
I would love to do a study where we looked at researchers personal libraries and quantified how much was actually legally obtained, how much was grey, and perhaps even how much was clearly black market (distinguishing the latter two is hard, looking at most recent additions and checking library holdings shouldn't be too difficult?)
- Cameron Neylon
For a scientific publishers is it rather sad that they cite results based on this question... there is no establishment as to what 'easy' is, some of the problems outlined above... and we put trust in a publisher that gets its basic act not together to 'improve' scientific dissemination for us? Elsevier can better just shut up, starting giving big boons, because every reply only makes...
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- Egon Willighagen
This is definitely in conflict with another survey: slide 35 - Learning from default mode network: the predictive value of resting state in traumatic brain injury.
- Björn Brembs
“We want to insure that customers who have typically been book buyers do not migrate their purchasing into borrowing as accessibility to our books becomes frictionless,” as Alison Lazarus, the president of sales for Macmillan, previously told LJ.
“This would imperil our retailers, wholesalers, authors and ourselves and would ultimately be detrimental to libraries,” she said." http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2012...
- Andy
Huh? And people wonder why we have such a low opinion of publishers. Listen pally, I will borrow or buy whatever book I see fit when I see fit. Yes, I "migrate" back and forth (some I buy, some I borrow). And to be honest, you being on the wrong side of history just makes you look that much more pathetic.
- Angel R. Rivera
I have always been ardently anti-piracy, but this kind of bullshit is getting me to a tipping point.
- rochelle rochelle
Still a lot going on out there. And the most recent mission to Mars gets there this summer. :-)
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
MESSENGER is still in orbit around Mercury - all kinds of cool new science coming from that. New Horizons is still speeding her way toward the Kuiper Belt ...
- Christina Pikas
There are still some interesting unmanned missions, but I miss re-entry sonic booms.
- Victor Ganata
I miss the breaking news when everyone would stop what they were doing and watch with rapt attention.
- Derrick
from iPhone
and i think i'm going to bill myself as a "library presentist" from now on, since there is no future without a present.
- Andy
Is anyone brave enough to start an @FakeSA?
- John Dupuis
Then I am the ghost of library past....
- Just Joe
fakesa already taken, by Keila Regina Dantas
- Just Joe
fakesabram seems to be avail, but I wouldn't touch this with a 39 and a half foot pole. Is that ten meters? (Answer: 12.0396 meters)
- Just Joe
As a librarian at a school with a gajillion databases for business research, I have to note that the product Gale is hawking is really pretty lame.
- Stephen Francoeur
Helen suggests 'Library Nowist' For it is always Now.
- Pete
They replaced bulbs in four large fluorescent fixtures in my work area. I might need to build a blanket fort over the top of my office (I have real walls and a door, but no ceiling). Was just asked by a colleague, "Are you going to be okay, cave dweller?" Because I usually keep my lights off in my office. :)
When they replaced the lights at my husband's office, they gave everyone these: http://www.ikea.com/us... because the lights were so bright.
- Jaclyn Bedoya
i vote for the leaf canopy. that would be very cool in your office
- Christina Pikas
I had bulbs removed in my office because it was too bright. The light can bother eyes. And a leaf canopy would be awesome. Even better, can we all work in tree houses?! :)
- Jyl Bit
Oooh! Tree house! Although here in OK, I'd likely just end up motion sick. (Have had facilities remove some bulbs from right above my desk--it was so bright I was squinting, which gave me headaches.)
- Kirsten
Some older recipes assume salted butter. You can also use it for herb butters. Anything you use unsalted for, in fact.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
from FFHound!
Same as any other butter. I usually buy salted.
- Rochelle
What everyone else sez. Unsalted butter is the exception; most butter in markets is salted.
- Walt Crawford
Since I used to bake a lot, I still only buy unsalted. It's purely a personal thing. Actually, it's more of a control thing. :)
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
from FFHound!
I use salted for everything. It tastes better to me, and it lasts longer.
- Meg VMeg
I use salted in all recipes. Gotta look for unsalted. of course i don't have any "salt' diet issues either
- WarLord
The theory goes that you can control salt level for optimum taste more precisely with unsalted butter. Since I only use butter for cooking and not, say, toast, I only buy unsalted. Then I freeze it in wrapped 2 tbsp cube portions.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
I always assume salted. But while we're on the subject, what's with recipes that ask one to measure butter in cups? How am I supposed to do this, carefully carve it into a shape that'll fit? Melt and pour? Cut into cubes, and in this case what size because it makes a big difference????? (Proper New Zealand recipes measure butter in grams, and NZ butter is marked on the wrapper at 50g intervals.)
- Deborah Fitchett
If it is room temperature, you should be able to smoosh the butter into a measuring cup, or know that butter's almost 230g when measured in a cup.
- Jennifer Dittrich
as for butter in cups - we buy a pound of butter divided up in to sticks and it says on the package how many sticks in a cup. most US baking recipes assume unsalted butter.
- Christina Pikas
I vaguely understand that butter in the US (and Canada) is often sold in one pound bricks on the western half of the country and four thinner sticks totalling one pound on the east.
- Andrew C (✓)
You can get both versions here on the east coast. I prefer the four thinner stalks.
- John (bird whisperer)
4 sticks = 16 oz of butter or 1lb. 1 stick = 4 oz. 8oz = 1 cup :-). EDITED TO ADD: supposedly a food scale gives more accurate measurements since 1 cup of flour might not be 8oz.
- tiffany
I always buy unsalted. I didn't know that most recipes assume salted.
- Greg Guitarbuster
It's my understanding that most modern recipes assume unsalted. Most butter was salted in the past to help it last longer and to cover up the flavor if it had gone slightly off.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
I was always told to assume unsalted, as well, and to only use salted butter in recipes if specifically called for.
- Katy S
This here part of the western US certainly has 4-stick pound boxes of butter. That's been true as long as I can remember.
- Walt Crawford
I've noticed them lately in Vancouver too, but I think the pound single bricks were the standard here for a long time. It used to confuse the heck out of me when a recipe would call for half a stick of butter, because with our fat bricks, that would be 4x the amount of butter the recipe writer intended.
- Andrew C (✓)
I'm spreading salted butter on a toasted sesame seed bagel as we speak.
- Brent
from iPhone
Academic folks: now that GEObase is no longer available per search from OCLC our geographers want us to subscribe, but it's crazy-wild out of our price range. Has anyone else found a way to make geographers happy with other tools? I'm particularly wondering how much Google Scholar would capture of the literature. Or not.
GeoScienceWorld is a group of journals produced by earth science scholarly societies. http://www.geoscienceworld.org/misc... When I was science librarian, I advocated for it when it began. Prices seemed reasonable then but I don't know whether they have stayed so or whether they have increased at the rates of the commercial publishers.
- copystar
We looked at that for our geologists - who were kind of "m'eh" - but it lacks a lot of the human geography stuff that our tiny geography department wants. And hey, they deserve, but if we can't afford it, we can't.
- barbara fister
we ended up getting it on EngineeringVillage - we didn't find anything else. it may sound incredibly old school, but it is still available on dialog and they've been doing more with site licenses.
- Christina Pikas
apparently there's a slightly cheaper OVID version, but it's still too expensive.
- barbara fister
Darn, Geobase isn't on STN. I'll bet a lot of the geobase journals are covered in our summon.
- Just Joe
We also ended up getting it on Engineering Village. In looking at our db by subject page, we have a lot of geosciences stuff, including GeoScience World. Our uni falls into the geophysics and engineering side of this area more than the human geography side, but we do have some geographers. I imagine you have a different faculty makeup there.
- Kaijsa
Yes, our departments have 3-4 faculty in them who have to cover a lot of bases.
- barbara fister
We ended up with GeoRef from EBSCOhost. Geo faculty were very understanding that we couldn't afford GEOBASE.
- Jen
from BuddyFeed
Anyone in LSW done any research in information science? I'm taking a course in it this semester after taking one last semester and find myself really intrigued by it. I also wish I'd been exposed to this earlier in my studies; I might have taken different classes. Hrm.
I think I'm drawn to the needs of users, UI, how people search, information retrieval, cognitive aspects, Kuhlthau and Dervin stuff. Syllabus is in Moodle...might have to DM it to since I can't link to it.
- Derrick
Heh. For most of that I'm totally the wrong person to ask because I don't believe a goddamn word of it. :) I can get you started on usability testing, however, and for info retrieval, I recommend you keep up with Jonathan Rochkind's blog and the Forward blog from UW.
- RepoRat
seeing as how i'm doing a phd in information science, yeah, i do research in it. i think they draw you in with the information behavior stuff but there's a lot more cool stuff to research. Make up your own mind about the cognitive approach vs. the philosophical approach
- Christina Pikas
I should say that I think bibliometrics, when it's done honestly, is tha shiznit, and so is network analysis. :)
- RepoRat
RT @Culinarium_TO: #FF @BlackOakBrewing Their beers are delicious, handcrafted, & LOCAL! They're here tomorrow to sample a Double Chocolate Cherry Stout, 11-4
me too. I work really damn hard to control it professionally, but the only solution that works is to let the adrenaline rage and get all HULKSMASH, which is equally poor form in a work environment. Totally blows.
- Jenica
It takes a lot to get me there, and it's almost always something sudden rather than a slow build, but once something makes me that mad it's almost impossible for me to control. I tried really hard yesterday, and failed. It's like once the mad hits a certain level, fluids just come out instantly.
- Rachel Walden
Me too. I get into a heated discussion and next thing I know..sobbing
- Hedgehog
from Android
I'm a frustrated-crier.Generally, I don't get that angry about things. Ridiculous part, the crying make me even more frustrated, which leads to more tears. Ugh.
- Jyl Bit
me too - for me it's a slow-build, but there is always clearly a final event that sets it off. And then to calm myself is wicked hard.
- ellbeecee
Me too. I have a very hard time controlling it professionally too, but I'm getting a bit better at it. My mom assures me that it gets better as I get older.
- ~Courtney F.
ditto! I'm almost famous for crying in public. once a girl asked me if I had really bad allergies. No, I'm just a crybaby.
- t. The Lethargic Honeybee
The stupidest things make me cry. Do you guys know the Maxwell House commercial where the big brother gets home from Africa and the teenage sister is waiting up for him? Every.Time. Also, before I was a librarian (21, 22 yrs old) I had a semi-tyrant boss and he used to make me cry and the other ladies of the office would quietly slip me out of the office and send me home before he noticed.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Courtney, I think I've gotten worse as I've aged. :/
- Jyl Bit
I think crying should be more acceptable if it is the alternative to beating the shit out of someone.
- Andy
I love the scene in the movie where Meg Ryan plays a helicopter medic pilot that gets shot down and winds up the superior officer among soldiers coming under fire and she's crying while she's shooting off her sidearm. The guys give her a hard time b/c she's bawling her eyes out while giving them orders and saying "it's just a stress response." Total bad-ass-ness.
- t. The Lethargic Honeybee
i remember being on the bridge of the ship and something just set me off - frustrated, tired, mad, all combined and i was crying so hard i couldn't breathe and all the male officers around me just stepped back like whoa...pretty embarrassing
- Christina Pikas
"it's just a stress response" - I need to remember that line. And I appreciate more than I can say hearing how many of you this also happens to.
- Rachel Walden
Not when angry (my head goes kind of buzzy-clear instead; once I actually got tunnel vision) but when under stress, heck yes, my eyes will leak all over the place. (Hm, though under actual trauma-stress, it was weeks before I could cry.)
- Deborah Fitchett
Me too. I hate it, especially at work. So unprofessional, etc. , etc.
- marthalib
from fftogo
Been there, done that, somebody pass me a hankie.
- RepoRat
"Will she or won't she? And by that we mean—could Gwen Cooper eventually pull a Ianto Jones on Torchwood and die? While we doubt this would ever happen—after all, Gwen is, along with Captain Jack (John Barrowman), the heart of the show—Eve Myles has an answer to that. While the fate of Torchwood is currently stuck in the deep dark chasms of limbo, the Welsh actress is much more optimistic regarding the show's fate: ''This happens every time! All the time! There was never going to be a second, there was never going to be a third ... '' Myles said of the popular Doctor Who spinoff, even touting the possibility of a Torchwood movie in 2013."
- Soup in a TARDIS
from Bookmarklet
Killing off Gwen is about the only thing that would cause me to even consider trying to watch more Torchwood.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Ah yes, I recall that you aren't a fan of the Welsh Warrior (as I choose to call her).
- Slippy
No, no I'm not. She's one of my least favorite characters on television.
- Soup in a TARDIS
i'd be fine if she died... but it's too bad about the other characters they killed off
- Christina Pikas
Gotta partially agree - it was a fine ensemble of characters, but really, Gwen and Jack were the show's main thrust (if you'll pardon the pun) from the very beginning.
- Slippy
I liked Gwen in episode one. They could have offed her anytime after that. *glares at watch impatiently*
- The Amber
I like her. The girl's got balls. Big, mighty balls. :-)
- Slippy
She was alright in episode one, possibly even intriguing (certainly tenacious). But the affair combined with the completely spineless refusal to accept any responsibility made her particularly vile in my eyes. The trope of the watcher-victim didn't work for me either, and it was laid on so thick both in the show and in behind-the-scenes supplemental it made me want to yak.
- Soup in a TARDIS
I never understood the killing off of the Series one cast. They were a great ensemble, then to kill off Ianto, was just wrong on many many many levels. And the Starz abomination that aired last year was just utter shite.
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Did they think they were getting axed in series one? Maybe they felt that was a way to wrap it up, then they got another season?
- Soup in a TARDIS
They killed them off in Series 2 so perhaps that was supposed to be the end. Children of Earth was jaw droppingly good TV though and thus the Starz crap was born.
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Ah, yes, that's right it was series 2. CoE was very good (minus the cheep killing of Ianto, grr) I agree. It's a shame they couldn't replicate it for Miracle Day. I suspect trying to launch a potential American Torchwood was a poor choice, really.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Yeah, I'm sure I recall that rumours of Torchwood's proposed demise had even reached the public before it was commonly admitted. I also think the way the bulk of the cast was killed off made for some really good tv. I loved CoE - particularly how, to me at least, it captured the spirit of the Doctor Who of my childhood (though I grew up with Davidson and he-who-shall-not-be-named, I...
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- Slippy
A house doesn't start to hate you as soon as it reaches 15?
- Spidra Webster
Actually, I know the story. A bunch of suburban snobs bought expensive houses right across the street from Ft Meade and thought for sure they would be able to convince the school board not to send their kids to the Ft . Meade schools. It worked for a few years until schools got over-crowded and they told them their kids had to go to school at the schools across the street from their house instead of miles away. Now they have overpriced houses and no one wants to buy them.
- Alan
i thought the schools on ft meade were only open to the kids who lived on base?
- Christina Pikas
Nope. Meade and MacArthur have kids from off post as well.
- Alan
"The victim said he was in the library reading a newspaper when another man confronted him over whose turn it was to read the paper, police said."
- Marie
from Bookmarklet
True facts: if I were fighting someone over a library newspaper, I'd whack 'em with a newspaper stick instead of stabbing them with a pen. *shrugs*
- Rachel Walden
yeah, that's a failed roll on a "weapon proficiency: ambient landscape" skill.
- RepoRat
Hey, do any of you have Sage Research Methods Online? I greedily want it for my own purposes, but wonder if it gets lots of use. It seems like it would fill a need here, but want anecdata for my request. ;)
i played with it a bunch in beta... what with like all my text books and all the books i had checked out from the library on methods being sage i was sure it would be awesome. unfortunately it didn't have the books i wanted. maybe they've been added now.
- Christina Pikas
I think it's mostly the green books and the blue books. I need to figure out if/how it integrates with Sage reference books online. That would rule. Marie, that is good.
- Kaijsa
they've got good reference books in there too. you do a keyword search and the results have green, blue, reference, journals, and regular books in the results. then you can refine by type.
- Marie
Awesome! I really need to investigate this and see what it's all about.
- Kaijsa
We have it too. Don't have access to the stats, but look really useful. Our hardcopies of green books get quite a lot of use (I use them too) but users might not be aware there are online?
- aarontay
We've looked at it several times but couldn't get enough interest to justify the cost.
- anna
not to defend the beast, but the "freedom collection" does get us a lot of content for not-so-bad $/download... and at least E is innovating with their interfaces and their stuff works... compare to T&F which is much more expensive, has pretty poor interfaces, and doesn't seem to be innovating.
- Christina Pikas
seems a bit low... thinking back to the tenopir and king articles on time spent reading and sources.. thought with increase of online access and decrease of personal subscriptions more was coming from library resources.
- Christina Pikas
i'm fine with picking on them, but i don't think it's fair that T&F - which has crap interfaces, crap service, and outrageous prices - gets to skate
- Christina Pikas
They won't always. *g* This is to some extent a game of whack-a-BIG-mole. ACS, YOU ARE ON NOTICE.
- RepoRat