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Andrew C (✔)
Besides bonsai trees, what other gifts are mostly giving the recipient perpetual homework?
Amish Friendship Bread - Meg VMeg
we used to call that Amish World-Domination Bread. at least it tastes great! - Big Joe Silence
I've never heard of that till now, but yeah, that fits the profile. - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Puppies. White elephants (the literal ones). - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
So, living things, definitely. What else? Boats? - Andrew C (✔) from Android
Gym membership - Johnny
lessons of any kind. preferably for something difficult. - Big Joe Silence
Tuition. - Spidra Webster
Lord of the Rings (Extended editions) box set. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
A BSA motorcycle. - Spidra Webster
Something of the month clubs. Remember on everybody loves Raymond ? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Last night I learnt that Americans don't usually like sauce on their steak... Or butter the bread in a sandwich... Is this true?
Yes to both - for me, anyway. Had quite a shock learning what a bacon butty was. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
So if I made a tomato sandwich (white buttered bread with sliced tomato and a little salt) would this get me weird looks? - Johnny from iPhone
i make tomato sandwiches like that with mayonnaise instead of butter. - kendrak
If the steak is a really good cut of meat, and it's cooked & seasoned properly, then I won't use any sauce. But I have a hard time believing Americans don't like sauce on their steak - what's your definition of sauce? Barbecue, Worcestershire sauce, or...? As for buttering the bread in a sandwich, I don't know that you'd get weird looks, but you might if you buttered your bread then added another condiment, such as mayonnaise. - Corinne L
Do you aussies have miracle whip for meat and cheese sandwiches? - Joe
Corinne... I do. Bread and butter is the base then stuff like mayo gets added on. Joe, no. - Johnny from iPhone
The steak thing doesn't sound right to me, at least for the south and midwest. It's pretty rare to not see someone putting A1, BBQ sauce, Tabasco, or somesuch on their steak, if it comes without a sauce. Also, you do your sandwiches like Uli does. But no, I don't know any Americans who use butter as the base. We tend to start with mayo, mustard, ketchup, and/or pickle relish, depending on the sandwich. - Kirsten
We usually use just mayo by itself - either one provides a good fat barrier (so the bread doesn't get soggy from other ingredients.) The sauce thing isn't uncommon, but it doesn't feel like something everyone does one way or the other. I prefer it without in most cases, but like it sometimes. - Jennifer Dittrich
Depends on the cut. I like some A1 or worcester sauce on sirloin. Mayo and mustard for sandwiches. - Rodfather
I would have said that no sauce is the usual. - Steele Lawman
Don't tell anyone else, but I like to put ketchup (or catsup) on my steak. - Joe
Most sandwich places will put in butter only if you ask for it. - Bruce Lewis
A sandwich is a butter delivery system. No butter and it's not a proper sandwich! - Marina's Godmother :-)
Oh see, Helen, that's butter-bread (as it's called in my family, at least). A snack, sure. But not a sandwich. - Kirsten
Buttered bread for sandwiches: Rare, I think (certainly not for me--horseradish sauce or chipotle, depending on the meat). Sauce on steaks: All over the place, but the better the steak, the less likely the sauce, at least for me. - Walt Crawford
My ex-husband was a butter-then-mayo sandwich person until I said to him, "do you realize you're adding a lot of calories doing it that way?" Never crossed his mind because it was the way he was raised (he was from central Pennsylvania & his mom was Pennsylvania Dutch, which may have had a lot to do with it). - Corinne L
I don't generally put butter on sandwiches (unless it's the outside of a grilled cheese sandwich). Usually it's mustard or the like, depending on the other sandwich contents. I don't generally have sauce with steak unless the steak is really dry or tough. I will eat butter on toast or on bread that I eat alongside a meal. - John (bird whisperer)
I'm convinced that this is why a true Aussie restaurant/cafe in the States wouldn't work. There are tiny fundamentals that would shock a lot of folks but the culture isn't exotic enough for people to embrace it. - Johnny
my mom used to put butter underneath the mayo but then she started worrying even more about dad's health. <threadjack> had a "club" sandwich in UAE in a British bar. so not what I had in mind. It was weird and disappointing. - Christina Pikas
A bacon-based sandwich in the UAE? - Johnny
Johnny, I think you could have an authentic cafe, but not a chain restaurant. Those, by nature, smooth out the edges of any cuisine (even American dishes) so it isn't quite what it started as. - Jennifer Dittrich
oh yeah there and Bahrain - not really observant. when I was there. - Christina Pikas
What Jenn said. Americans love to claim they have had authentic [insert cuisine type here] at some obscure restaurant. - Corinne L
I now butter my sandwiches but that's because I'm attached to someone of British extraction. - Sarah from iPhone
I just looked up the menu for Outback Steakhouse. I literally can't. - Johnny
Oh, yeah. I can't imagine that's anyone's native cuisine. - Jennifer Dittrich
No bloomin onion? - Joe
No. - Johnny
Heh. I never really thought of Outback as a place to eat Australian cuisine. It's just where they give you a fat piece of steak and a huge gob of mashed potatoes. - Rodfather
The fact they have opened Outback Steakhouses here in Australia should tell you all you need to know ;) - Johnny
Heh, totally reminds me of the random Taco Bell restaurants you see in Mexico. - Jennifer Dittrich
I'm a mustard-only person when it comes to sandwiches, though as a child, my favorite sandwich was peanut butter and butter. When it comes to steaks - I guess I'd have to ask what your definition of steak sauce is. Are you talking like a brown sauce or a BBQ sauce? Or do you mean something like bordelaise or au poivre? Because depending on the type of cuisine under which I'm ordering my... more... - Hookuh Tinypants
I tend to marinade my steaks so they don't usually call for any sauce after the fact. But I haven't heard of buttering the bread of a sandwich...might have to try that >.> - Chris Topher
I might also clarify, it's only a small amount of butter. More like a scraping than a thick layer ala mayo - Johnny
I'm beginning to be a fan of rub. I used this stuff on some filet mignon and it was awesome. - Rodfather
#random The closest I got to Miracle Whip in London was "salad cream," but it's not the same. I do love me some HP Sauce, though. - The First NoeLB from Android
My favourite steak sauces are chilli and lime, mushroom, blue cheese, sweet chilli, creamy pepper sauce and sometimes sweet caramelised onion. If I have a good piece of steak then I tend to go plain but a good balanced sauce in combination with the sides can bring up the whole plate. - Johnny
OK so you're talking proper sauces and not just bottled crap made by Heinz. :D This is why I love you. - Hookuh Tinypants
We have that too, but that's usually only used on the cheap cuts that end up on steak sangas or at BBQs on plastic plates :) - Johnny
I still love you. - Hookuh Tinypants
Caramelized onion? Oh, yes! - The First NoeLB from Android
I never heard of butter and mayo together on a sandwich until this one time in Canada. I got off the 401 at a small town somewhere between Toronto and Detroit, found a small sandwich shop, and ordered a ham and cheese sandwich. She took a slice of bread, spread something pale colored on it, then asked me if I wanted mayo. !!! I'm thinking, that wasn't mayo? So I said yes, and then she added mayo on top on what turned out to be butter. - bentley
(silently judges Joe for the ketchup thing) - Marie
I put a patty of butter on my steaks as I grill them. I like sauce on my steak too but then I'm sorta addicted to mashed potatoes and gravy so its more collateral. #gravyoneverythng Butter with mayo is just weird. Butter or mayo slathered on heavy and thick.... #okaymaybeitsjustme - WarLord
I need Melly in on this thread #Alone - Johnny
Butter on a sandwich brings back some middle school memories from when I lived with my mother. She would pack me lunches of salami & cheese sandwiches with butter instead of some other normal type of condiment on it, because she doesn't like mayo or mustard and refuses to buy any. - April Russo
No to either one for me. Why ruin a good steak with sauce of any kind? People in this part of the country (Southeastern Pennsylvania) often butter their bread for sandwiches if they are from a Pennsylvania Dutch background. - Friar Will
Butter on sandwiches is reserved for necessity (PB&J, needs it to help reduce the tacky starchness of the peanut butter and you can't do a proper Grilled Cheese without using butter to fry it), otherwise not really. Sauces, sometimes if the meat isn't great or wasn't already seasoned well, which could be with chili and lime or a good pepper baste. Caramelized onions don't count as a sauce. - NOT THE CRICKET
Cubano sandwiches need butter on them. - Steven Perez
Growing up, the only sandwiches I had with butter were tuna fish with diced pickles. Random, I know. I used A1 on steaks until I learned that it's a waste of a good piece of steak to sully it with steak sauce. I've had a few proper sauces on steak that were pretty good. The norm at steak houses in the US is to get a "plain" steak (marinated and seasoned) and have a few bottles of steak... more... - Jenny H. from Android
"Bread with stuff on it" is still one of the best phrases ever. :D Also - an excellent use for A1 sauce? Tater tots. Yes, I'm a heathen but I'm totally down with it. (C'mon, I'm the person who once stored their russet potatoes in the ice chest while camping; I've earned the right to be a potato heathen!) - Hookuh Tinypants
Depends on the quality of the steak. A good quality well cooked steak needs sauce like Dolly Parton needs stocking stuffers. - Todd Hoff
Non-dessert comfort foods that do not involve a significant amount of dairy. Go!
Meatloaf. Mashed potatoes and gravy - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Depends on how you define comfort. For me, cashews, almonds, navel oranges fit the bill. - Walt Crawford
Chicken soup. Beef stew. French onion soup (with or without the cheese.) Hot buttered toast. - Jennifer Dittrich
For me, shepherd's pie, beef stew, chili, pasta with meat sauce... - John Dupuis
Anything noodly. - Marie
Penne with chickpeas, spinach & tomatoes. Homemade tomato soup (only dairy is about 1 T of butter). PB & J on toast. Chips & homemade salsa. Pho. Vegetarian hot & sour soup. (If you want recipes for the penne, tomato soup, and/or salsa, DM me.) - Corinne L
And here, friends, is how we know that Walt does not hail from a cold climate. :) - laura x
Peanut butter and honey on toast. Chili and cornbread. Rotisserie chicken and roasted vegetables. - laura x
Vegan macaroni and cheese ;) Fries and gravy. Mashed potatoes. Soup. - joey
True enough, Laura. Mine were also "or a significant amount of effort." I'm lazy. - Walt Crawford
Fish and chips. Kimchi ramyon when my nose is stuffed up. ...I think everything else involves significant amounts of milk and/or cheese.... - Deborah Fitchett
Fried chicken. - Eric - ill subliminal
Baked potatoes (or any kind of potatoes, really). Not sure if the butter involved counts as "significant." ;-) - John (bird whisperer)
Ramen! - April Russo
Collards or other greens made with lots of pork. Or at least with smoked turkey parts. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Baked beans. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Cheezits (I don't think they really qualify as dairy) - April Russo
Linguini & white clam sauce - April Russo
Be bim bap and udon noodle soup from the local Korean place. At home: roast chicken with mashed potatoes and stuffing. - Elizabeth Brown
Whole roasted chicken over lots of veggies so the veggies have the roasted dipped in chicken fat taste. - Todd Hoff
Matzo ball soup. Latkes. It's possible to make non dairy kugel but I've never had it. (Happy Hanukkah!) - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
For my hubby, his diabetes comfort food is a veggie stir fry made with whatever leftover meat that's in the house, with lots of cabbage, zucchini, mushrooms, onions, peppers, tomatoes, lots of garlic, a little bit of carrot, olive oil, oregano, basil, and crushed red pepper flakes. - April Russo
Meg VMeg
Seems like they could have chosen an older surgeon general. You know, out of...respect.
What do you mean? (I don't know much about the position or the politics behind it other than the procedural maneuver they did to get him confirmed over the weekend.) - Mark Trapp
Oh, that it makes me feel unaccomplished for being older than he is and still not appointed to any federal office :( - Meg VMeg
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I see: haha, I was Googling to see if there was some secret Surgeon General's code or something. But I get you: I feel the same way about various CEOs. - Mark Trapp
Never watch gymnastics or figure skating. >.< - Heather
Technically I was appointed by congress when my commission was confirmed at 22 :) - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I learned 3 things from this post. 1) there's a new surgeon general, 2) he's also younger than me and 3) somehow Koop is always the SG in my mind. isn't Koop dead? - ellbeecee
Koop is my Surgeon General like Bartlet is my President. - Kirsten
I <3 Kirsten. :) (I also think I <3 this new Junior Agent Surgeon General guy. Who might actually be old enough to drink in some states.) (Get off my lawn.) - Catherine Pellegrino
+1 Kirsten. - bentley
Galadriel C.
When it comes to reviewing e-resources for renewals, what are your data points that trigger an evaluation and possible cancellation? For example, do you have a % increase amount or cost per use that automatically triggers a deeper analysis of the resource?
More than $40/use is definite. Can be higher/lower depending on resource and definition of use (search/session/download), though. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl from Android
price increase above 4% and a decreasing use over time; cost-per-use is good for internal comparison, but gets complicated across products/platforms/disciplines - Holly's favorite Anna
we are currently (and finally!) working out benchmarks for such activity at my library - LibrarianOnTheLoose
One metric I've seen is: if cost per use is higher than the cost of interloaning it. You wouldn't have a firm cut-off there, because there's a value to the user to getting it directly from the database, but it's a point at which you might start asking questions. - Deborah Fitchett
price increase over 3-4% triggers a look, but we try to look over usage for just about everything before renewing. - Christina Pikas
This is great info, thanks! I'm in the middle of drafting a project plan to make systematic review of renewals by the subject librarians (discipline specific) or collections committee a part of the annual workflow as it should be. For this year, things are auto renewed if 5% or if I have a specific request to cancel. However, we also look at the subscription vs. ILL cost too. Anna, how long is "decreased usage over time" for you? - Galadriel C. from Android
Christina Pikas
There must be a lot of money in ebooks. Non-book publishing societies are jumping on the bandwagon right and left (ACM, AAS). Is there a demand in these fields typically driven by conference pubs (ACM) and journal articles (AAS)?
Hmmm. At a guess, they're trying to get in on demand-driven acquisitions deals. I don't know this for certain; it's just the reason I'd do this if I were in their shoes. - RepoRat
Are they selling title by title or packages? Ebook packages are a great money-maker for publishers who used to sell only a portion of titles to most libraries. Now we get the premium cable package or nothing. - Holly's favorite Anna
I think it's packages - I don't know that they do actually like dda. A lot of them have jacked up their short term look prices in ebl to make it very unattractive as opposed to licensing a subject category directly from the publisher - Christina Pikas
niiiiiiiiiiice. thanks for the intel! - RepoRat
John Dupuis
In case people haven't seen this yet, the Scientific American blog network is in the process of "revisioning" and booting off about half their bloggers:
Including Bonnie Swoger and Hadas Shema who ran the LIS Information Culture blog: - John Dupuis
It's their right -- they own the space -- but they are surely not being transparent about why the dumpees are getting dumped, and I think that's a strategic mistake on their part. Even being explicitly mercenary about it e.g. "we're keeping the highest-hit-count bloggers" would deflect a lot of my sideeye. - RepoRat
Also, based on your tweetstream and Bonnie's -- just me, or are they dumping an awful lotta women? - RepoRat
<troll> It's because girls don't get science. </troll> Asshats. - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Hard to say without a list of the blogs that are leaving, but so far mostly women. They've posted in a comment the ones that are staying but not an actual list of the ones that are leaving. I believe when Bora Zivkovic set up the network it was at least 50% women (yes, irony). - John Dupuis
Bora has some stats as of the launch here: - John Dupuis
thanks, that's a useful baseline - RepoRat
Where's the comment with the list of who's staying? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
srsly. I will release the dogs of war if they're differentially firing women and/or PoC, but I don't wanna do that until I actually know. - RepoRat
I hope they will keep the past content. - Joe
^ and static URLs of that content. - Marie
The main announcement post with the list of who remains in a comment is here: - John Dupuis from iPhone
guh, so concerned citizens are gonna hafta do the count themselves. - RepoRat
I'm in that "winding down for the year" limbo and looking for some cat vacuuming er I mean contribution to the profession something something so give me a bit and I'll see what I can pull together. - Deborah Fitchett
Thanks, Deborah. If you throw up a GSpreadsheet I'll pitch in, but doing the whole thing is too daunting for me. - RepoRat
Have so far thrown in data gleaned from Bora's original post: - Deborah Fitchett
And added in data from the comment listing who remains. First impression: the vast majority of blogs brought in by Bora are no longer running; a bunch more recent ones are in there. Of the 18 bloggers whose names we have from Bora's time whose blogs are continuing, 10/18 appear to be women based on names. This is a drop in percentage points but probably more data needed. Will try filling in some blanks. - Deborah Fitchett
best list of current (?) blogs seems to be sidebar in - RepoRat
Oh my god Google Docs what the hell are you doing to my dates. :-( Stupid USan month-day-year grumble grumble. (Even when I define it dd/mm/yyyy it won't let me *type it in* that way - converts everything I type to the wrong date.) - Deborah Fitchett
ugh, did it pick up that trick from Excel? I HATE THAT SO MUCH. You may be able to get it to stop if you explicitly define the column as text; at least, that works in Excel. - RepoRat
I want it to be a date so sortable as dates. Ended up defining as eg 13 Dec 2014 so then it's readable by every human. - Deborah Fitchett
Further impressions #1: The information in the sidebar is not consistent with the information in the blog comment and it's hard to tell what's accurate. Have tried to cite in my spreadsheet but if it was listed in the blog comment I didn't note whether or not it was listed in the sidebar. (If I've noted it as in the sidebar, that means it's not in the blog comment.) - Deborah Fitchett
Further impressions #2: If the sidebar is accurate, then most currently updated blogs are actually staying. Exceptions are: Science with Moxie; PsiVid; Doing Good Science; History of Geology; Information Culture (all updated December); and possibly Oscillator (November) and Culturing Science; Lab Rat (October). Three blogs that haven't been updated since July-Sept are listed in the blog... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Further impression #3: Of those who've posted farewell posts on the 15th Dec, 9 are women, 1 is a man, 1 is a pseudonym. <sideeye> - Deborah Fitchett
oooooooooh, that's exactly what I was afraid of. <3 <3 <3 Deborah! So, how many of the pretty-much-dead blogs posted farewell posts? - RepoRat
Not many - I may have missed some since at once point I wasn't looking for that explicitly but I think only 4: The Scicurious Brain (23 Oct 2013); Science Sushi (14 Feb 2013); EvoEcoLab (30 Dec 2012); Disease Prone (25 Apr 2012). 8 have just trailed off and another (Cargo Cult Contrarian) is still listed in the sidebar though she last posted 8 Feb 2013. - Deborah Fitchett
Correction: Of those who haven't blogged since at least September, 8 have posted farewells (including 2 today); 9 have trailed off and aren't listed as continuing; 3 are listed in the blog comment as continuing; 8 are listed in the sidebar as continuing. - Deborah Fitchett
I don't think scicurious posts anywhere but her employer now so that's unrelated. But very very interesting. Do you mind if I incorporate into a blog post? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Go for it, consider it public domain. - Deborah Fitchett
Walt Crawford
A bit disturbing: in the mail today was yet another Catholic-group mailing for the previous owner (hey, it's only been 5.5 years). Thomas More Law Center. Which wants donations to help it fight Obama's insidious plan to have Islam take over America. I am not making this up. (The letter. TMLC is, of course, making up the Conspiracy.)
Most Catholics I've known have been very reasonable but I guess there are crazies everywhere - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Christina: I agree--this was about an extremist law center, not Catholics in general (except that virtually all of the mail that still comes for her--all bulk rate, of course--is from Catholic groups or publishing houses). My wife was library director at a Catholic college, and loved the nuns.... - Walt Crawford
I suppose it's good to know what the extremists think. but: ick. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
RT @librarianliss: 7 Science-Backed Ways to Give Less-Bad Gifts
RT @librarianliss: 7 Science-Backed Ways to Give Less-Bad Gifts
"Happiness is like peeing your pants. Everyone can see it, but only you can feel its warmth." - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I didn't get to that part. - Joe
Walt Crawford
Quick poll: Brush first or floss first? (If you don't do both, don't bother answering.)
Brush first, then floss. Never occurred to me to do it any other way. Likely indoctrinated in that order by my Mom, because I don't remember getting specific instructions from a dentist? - WebGoddess
Floss then brush. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Brush, then floss. - bentley
Brush then floss - Pete from FFHound(roid)!
I was always taught to brush then floss, but that doesn't make as much sense to me, so I mostly do it the other way. - Christina Pikas
Thanks (and more welcome!) This recently became a topic of discussion at home, and a little Binging finds, well, complete lack of agreement. - Walt Crawford
Brush first. Though sometimes I brush again afterwards. - laura x
Apparently I'm just weird! - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
floss, then brush. I figure flossing gets stuff out, brushing takes it away. then I use a rinse. - ellbeecee
Brush, floss, rinse - that's the way my dentist always recommended. - Jennifer Dittrich
depends on what I'm doing. if I'm being lazy & watching tv (which is mostly), flossing first. but sometimes I brush before bed & then floss while reading. :-) - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
btw, spouse had a Very Strong Reaction to his question: FLOSS FIRST! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Floss then brush. - Katy S
Floss then brush. The other way around is like mopping the floor then walking across it in muddy boots. - Spidra Webster
Brush - MoTO: #TeamMarina from Android
Thanks all. I've done it one way for decades, and my wife's convincing me I've always been wrong. But it's hard to change a habit. (She says: floss first, then brush. I'm doing that...with difficulty.) - Walt Crawford
I floss then brush. My sister does the opposite because her friend's dad is a dentist, and that's what he told her. - Meg VMeg
Melly Claus
RT @earthpicturz: A rare image of a flying peacock
RT @earthpicturz: A rare image of a flying peacock
Are peacocks flying that rare? Once, at the zoo, I noticed something moving. I grabbed my kid, ducked & yelled out, "Dragon!" all on pure instinct. Everyone looked at me & laughed. It was a peacock. - Anika
I have never seen a picture of nor a real peacock flying. Huh. - bentley
Come to SoCal. We have a few places with wild peacocks. You can get your fill then. From what I see here, they're more like chickens; just short flights to go up on rooftops/rafters. - Anika
I thought they usually cut a part of the wing on a chicken to prevent flight? or maybe some feathers? I've never seen a peacock flying either, but I've only ever seen them strutting around at random on farms. No where to be, really. - Christina Pikas
LOL @ Anika's first comment! - The First NoeLB from Android
I saw this very nice pic of a peacock flying on Tumblr just a few days ago: Hadn't ever seen one before. - Kirsten
KIrsten: Nice! - bentley
The Librarians is apparently on iTunes in the United States (it's not in the Canadian iTunes Store). could some kind American check to see if it's available in the American google play store, and report back?
season 1 is $16.99. ETA: but they don't look like they're available yet? - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
First episode is free on Google Play. - bentley
On iTunes, first episode is free, second episode is $2.99 - bentley
Well, crap. Nobody wants to take my money - DJF from Android
No! Wait! It's on google play in Canada today! It wasn't yesterday. - DJF from Android
Hmm. Wonder if I could chromecast the first episode? eta: no need. available from the tnt website. alas, just need time to watch :( - Christina Pikas from iPhone
The Canadian channel carrying it doesn't have it on the Web at all. The only way to stream it in Canada is iTunes / google - DJF from Android
This is bacon. Mixed with maple syrup. For hot dogs. Topped with mac & cheese. Period.
This is bacon. Mixed with maple syrup. For hot dogs. Topped with mac & cheese. Period.
that sounds kinda gross. - kendrak
It sounds both disgusting amd intriguing. - Kirsten from Android
I am fervently glad to be vegetarian in this exact moment. - RepoRat
It is all very very good. - Zamms from iPhone
i trust you... but this is working my brain over. - kendrak
I am repelled and yet totally craving this now. - Hookuh Tinypants
It sounds wonderful and like something I should never eat. Thus, I want some NOW. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I was with you until Mac and cheese. That I'll have on the side - Christina Pikas from iPhone
The Frederick MD baseball team does this, but with crab mac and cheese. - Zamms from iPhone
first crab waffles nor crab mac and cheese WHERE WILL IT END? - kendrak
Deborah Fitchett
This is awesome - Creative Commons Aotearoa New Zealand are working on a free legal notice that Māori can use to release cultural works more openly:
How do you feel about the "protection against culturally offensive uses", compared to the problems people see with a non-commercial CC license? - Meg VMeg
It is restrictive, yes; but it's less restrictive than no open release at all. Creators need the reassurance that, say, their photo of their granny isn't going to end up on someone's Cafepress teatowels, otherwise they're not going to go anywhere near open. At the moment there's huge amounts of information that is locked up for use by the iwi itself and in many cases people would be... more... - Deborah Fitchett
(It has been a journey for me, with a natural Western bent towards "Knowledge wants to be free!", to get my head around the fact that some knowledge *doesn't* and I have no right to it. Comparing with my thoughts about privacy has been a useful benchmark/triangulation point when my brain's otherwise been tending to flail in despair.) - Deborah Fitchett
What would be the benefit of this license over registered copyright? Is copyright not strong enough? I am not at all saying that indigenous knowledge needs to be free. I'm just curious what niche this license fills. - Meg VMeg
There was a wonderful talk at Access Vancouver about work that was done at University of Washington about designing systems for managing culturally sensitive information. - DJF from Android
Like, in the US we have laws against falsely ascribing Native American ownership/creatorship (e.g., ), so I'm wondering if this is, like, the contrapositive to that. Or something. - Meg VMeg
yes! what djf said! huge community involvement in the collections for both authentication and access. i know that ubc has adopted some of the tech for their Xwi7xwa library. - jambina
It's not that copyright isn't strong enough; it doesn't replace that at all. Everyone gets copyright. It's that *creative commons licenses* don't give/withhold the appropriate permissions when it comes to indigenous knowledge. You can say "Go ahead and use it but attribute" (CC-BY) or "Go ahead and use it but not for commercial purposes" (CC-BY-NC) or "You can't use it at all without... more... - Deborah Fitchett
An example of the challenges of Creative Commons that are simpler for us to understand is the all the CC licences also waive the creators moral rights to restrict how material may be used. So, if you CC license something, you can't stop the KKK from using it. - DJF from Android
Sure, and I'm wondering whether people imagine it will face the same problems as NC. Because, in theory, NC is a good idea too. But, in other theory, NC is *not* a good idea, because no one knows what it means, so it's useless (e.g., ). And "culturally offensive" seems even more ambiguous than NC. Ergo my initial question. - Meg VMeg
I want this to be a clearcut awesome good thing. But NC-CC licensing has not at all been a clearcut awesome good thing (even though I would have thought that would be the case). So I'm wondering how/whether this can be a DIFFERENT clearcut awesome good thing. Or whether trademarks/law/something else are a better recourse. - Meg VMeg
I think it's a bit strong to say NC is "useless." "Not as useful as it might be," yes, but it's still useful. Half a loaf and all that. - Walt Crawford
Hence why they're consulting at the moment about what restrictions it should and shouldn't include. I think trademarks/law would do the exact opposite of opening things up. - Deborah Fitchett
Deborah, can you explain why things are not open currently? Is it something about Māori protectiveness, beyond whatever would or wouldn't be allowed by NZ law? The laws we have here prevent falsely ascribing ownership or creatorship to Native American tribes (and many of the tribes have registered trademarks for their names). So they don't close things down, exactly, but allow legal recourse when IP is used improperly. - Meg VMeg
Sorry, I am not trying to be contrarian. I would like this to be good news. I was excited until I remembered all the NC turmoil. - Meg VMeg
Two part answer: 1) Can you explain why a white person doesn't make their content open? It's because we want to retain certain rights. Sometimes I might want to make something open but I don't want a company to profit off that; NC was created (however imperfectly) to allay these concerns. Likewise a "no culturally offensive use" license can allow people to open their content up without... more... - Deborah Fitchett
That wandered so encompassed part of 2) which is the tikis on teatowels kind of thing. Some things do not belong in the wrong kind of context. Western law does not deal with this. Existing Creative Commons licenses don't deal with it. So the goal is to create a license that does deal with it, by (presumably) spelling out what uses are and are not appropriate. Then a creator can say "I... more... - Deborah Fitchett
I'm not sure if this clarifies things because I'm not sure where the gap is, because I've got all this cultural context you don't. But it's basically for the case where authors want to be open but also want safeguards. Existing CC licenses provide the safeguards that matter to Western creators (attribution, share-alike, non-commercial, no-derivatives) but they don't provide the... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Meg: Have you been following the furor here in Oklahoma surrounding the way Christina Fallin appropriated a plains tribe headdress? I know it's a physical object rather than knowledge, but to me, seems like this is the exact sort of thing that this license option is trying to protect against. American Indian tribes have always dealt with white people appropriating pieces of their... more... - Kirsten
I am not saying that protection isn't called for, or that I don't understand why it might be called for (my last question about the Māori was asking if there was something specific to their traditions/culture that made this different from a CC license for all indigenous people, because it seemed like Deborah was saying that). It is ABSOLUTELY called for, and I 100% understand why. What... more... - Meg VMeg
It seems like a way to put your hand up and say "hey, you can use this, but if I think you're using it in a way that offends me, I'm gonna revoke that right." I see the complexity of limits, but I also see why people may want "some rights reserved" defined in specific ways so that they can say yes while saying no to some uses. People would presumably still have uses that fall under fair dealing (?? is that the phrase in NZ for what yanks call fair use?) - barbara fister
Sorry, Meg. I wasn't reading closely enough. Teach me to skim pre-caffeine. Anyway, to the point: I doubt the Maori license would be able to avoid all those criticisms, since there would always be people (like Fallin) who would want to use items with that license in a way that was disrespectful. Such people often fall back on some combination of free speech and capitalism to justify... more... - Kirsten
Purely pragmatically, the problem I have with NC is that it overprotects -- it renders uses problematic that the licensor probably wouldn't have any problem with. I honestly don't think that's true in the indigenous-knowledge case! So I'm in favor (for the little my white-ass approval is worth), partly in the name of getting more truth out there and drowning out the noisy appropriators. - RepoRat
Back to the U Washington work that I mentioned above, "culturally offensive" probably isn't just a vague phrase, but has strong, well understood, restrictions on culturally appropriate use associated with it that are well understood by the culture in question. For example, letting the US flag touch the ground is (well, was) a simple example of a "culturally offensive" use. - DJF
Barbara's comment about "It seems like a way to put your hand up and say 'hey, you can use this, but if I think you're using it in a way that offends me, I'm gonna revoke that right.'" is exactly why the Creative Commons licenses explicitly waive the creators' moral rights. So, even where Western European culture has a way to control uses, the CC stops one from doing so. - DJF
It seems as this particular effort a) is working very hard to come to a mutually-agreed-upon-by-creators, nuanced and detailed definition of "culturally offensive" (if you click through to Deborah's link, it includes a survey) - which I actually would expect to vary from indigenous tradition to indigenous tradition, given that their sacred / tapu / etc contexts also vary, and b) is... more... - Marianne
tl;dr: oooh, this is really interesting and shiny. - Marianne
An interesting discussion, but I must admit that my reaction to a "no culturally inappropriate uses" license would probably be "If you're not Maori (or Native American or whatever), stay the hell away." Because I would never be sure what was and wasn't culturally inappropriate, except that I'm not part of the culture. And maybe that's right? - Walt Crawford
Maybe museums and schools would be able to use more easily? - Christina Pikas
Walt, I think part of the idea is that the license would *tell* you what is and isn't inappropriate. Meg, yes, while indigenous peoples are in heaps of dialogue with each other for mutual support and sharing ideas on how to reclaim heritage in a coloniser-dominated world, their cultures and therefore needs are still very different from each other so I would expect licenses to vary... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Blast from the past - we got someone in to do a talk about this for us, and now have a video online at - Deborah Fitchett
LSW roll call! Go!
I especially encourage those who might be quietly reading out there or might be new to say howdy. - maʀtha
👋 - Julian
Martha, medlib in an academic library with strong focus on serving external community as well as the university. Dark chocolate, yes anchovies on pizza, don't call me on the phone, dogs love me, cats not so much, I like winter. - maʀtha
Dorothea, instructor in a library school. Dark chocolate, vegetarian pizza hold the mushrooms, PLEASE don't call me, cat person, winter's okay except when it's injurious. - RepoRat
Jenica, director of two academic libraries at a small SUNY in upstate new york, and coordinator of our campus's upcoming bicentennial celebrations. Dark chocolate (intense orange is my jam), pizza is best with pepperoni, i only answer the phone for family, my dog weighs more than my child and my cats combined, and I live in the land of perpetual winter so I try not to whine. - Jenica
Science & engineering librarian at York University in Toronto, the largest university you've never heard of. Currently on sabbatical. Interested in open access and its related ideas. As well as sf, horror, mysteries, popular science writing, classic rock, blues, jazz and related genres. Oh yeah, a strange obsession with science-themed graphic novels. - John Dupuis
Laura, middle management at a public library (dear God, how did that happen?). Dark chocolate. I am actually sick of pizza. I envy you people who can get away without using the phone. I love winter, and I am getting a new winter coat for the first time in 22 years. - laura x
Catherine, reference & instruction librarian at Saint Mary's College. No, not that St. Mary's. The other one. No, not that one either. The one that's across the street from Notre Dame. Pizza: yes. Chocolate: yes. New cat: yes. Winter: yes. Dumbphone: yes. - Catherine Pellegrino
Julian, working for a major vendor (not in Libraryland; hint: think about bridges...). Apizza > pizza, good dark chocolate (of course), Android, Linux, likes other people's cats. I take your calls every day. I like October. - Julian
Christina. Librarian in a research lab and phd student. Any kind but white chocolate is fine with me. Have a big dog and toddler twins. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Mary Carmen, former academic library administrator. I now manage the care and feeding of one small human and am currently incubating another one. I actually never answer my phone. Sesame Street is my jam. If the television is on, it's tuned to Sprout. When I can actually eat food, pizza is number one, although I've been very into bagels lately. Dark chocolate. 3 cats. I miss winter. - Mary Carmen
Hello lurker Martha! *waves* - maʀtha
Walt, mostly-retired (except for research/writing) former library professional/non-librarian. Omnivore. Dark chocolate. Landline phone if we recognize the number (the flipphone's almost never on). Mild OCD-like attitude on providing facts to flesh out OA and other debates. My 15 minutes were about 20 years ago. Two cats. California native and enjoy the weather (esp. if we get more rain/snow this year). - Walt Crawford
Good work, people! I would like to hear from more usual and unusual suspects, please. - maʀtha
Sarah, currently Scholarly Communications Librarian at large public research university but soon to be Associate Dean at large private research university library. All chocolate except bad chocolate. My spouse and I make our own sausage. Three cats and a dog. And let's just say that I'm very happy to be moving about as far south as you can go in the US! Also, hate the phone but am getting better at it because I have to. - Sarah
Congratulations, Sarah! Very cool. - maʀtha
Pete. Law and Social Sciences information adviser at Sheffield Hallam University. My main professional contribution is library themed silly songs. - Pete
Rochelle, adult public services manager at a public library. Cat wrangler. I have developed a bedtime ritual of listening to old episodes of Gunsmoke at I seldom stay awake to hear the ending, but it's very soothing. I get a huge kick out of supporting my staff in developing and implementing their awesome ideas. Migraines are my unfortunate jam. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Laura. Currently Team Leader for Social Science, Business & Education at large research university library. Come January 1, the Head, Research & Engagement with the same employer. No kids, no pets, no spouse, though I'd like a cat. I just haven't convinced myself to pay the pet deposit at my apartment complex. - ellbeecee
Laurabrarian tally 2 and counting! - maʀtha
Jaclyn - soon to be ex-electronic resources lib at large public teaching university. Dark chocolate, pizza (hold the anchovies), no pets unless you count the 2 children. In SoCal, where we get no winter (to our detriment). OA/accessibility reviews/diversity in libs are three things I'd like more of. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
John. Assistant Director at largish public library. In charge of technology and stuff. Hugo award winner. Editor of the SFWA Bulletin. Aspiring writer. Not a fan of dark chocolate. Loves to cook (and eat). Mostly love winter but hate all the house upkeep it makes. - John: Thread Killer
Heather, collections strategy librarian at mid-sized Canadian university. Pizza and chocolate are dandy as long as I don't have to pay in USD. Medicated me will love your cats and dogs. Winter's also dandy but I need a new set of yak tracks. I'll pass on Gunsmoke: Terry Prachett audio books do the trick for me. - Heather
Rachel, medical librarian at Vanderbilt *until tomorrow* - then taking on directorship of medical library and biomed communications at ETSU. Will be paying a $600 pet deposit at the new place due to the 3 cats and 100lb dog. - Rachel Walden
Jason Fleming, Information Technology Librarian at a medium sized academic library - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
Stephen Francoeur, user experience librarian at a medium-sized public college in New York City. - Stephen Francoeur
Community college library director in the mitten. Chocolate is good. 3 dogs. Winter is good. - J. Marie B
Oh, hey, I'm on a committee which is trying to reach more community colleges with NLM resources. Ping me if interested in learning more. - maʀtha
Stephan!e, small branch library director at oldest public univ. in US. Likes *good* dark chocolate, cats, and pizza. Ordered $45 worth of pizza for student staffers tomorrow, along with therapy dogs. library interests = reference, promotion, journalism, PR, and interdisciplinary things. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Mita, user experience librarian from a mid-sized university in the rust-belt of Canada - but who knows what I will be when I return to work from sabbatical in January. I just talked for an hour for a webinar that no one attended. And it was still awesome :) - copystar
Rudy, currently an outreach & instruction librarian in Nevada. Feminist, vegetarian, foodie, speculative fiction, cats. Dark chocolate. Chicago pizza. Cheese. Library interests: outreach and engagement with campus, the role of liaisons, social science data users, social media and emerging technology in libraries. Looking to move into administration - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Lily, newly-minted, fresh-outta-library-school ref/instruction librarian at a medium-ish for-profit college in NYC. Pomegranates. Ask me about accessibility (universal design, library services to patrons with disabilities, assistive tech, etc.). - Lily
Maurice Coleman -- Master of Training and Speaking. Keynote and Speaker of Color for Hire. Trainer at Best Damn Public Library in Maryland. Host and Producer of Library Training Podcast T is for Training. Geek. Sports. Next week I start heading up our new Innovation Lab. Winter shoveling sucks. Any pizza is good pizza when served with a good beer. - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Marianne, circulation team coordinator at a small liberal arts college. I am also fresh outa library school, although for me it's more of a "fresh back from" since I did my degree online while still working at my current job (which I've had for about 4 years now, and a similar job at the same place for 3 before that). Pro-pizza, love all chocolate, but there's a lot of stuff I can't or... more... - Marianne
Definitely interested, Martha. - J. Marie B
Now I want pizza..... - Mary Carmen
Zamms, metadata librarian at an office in the international department of a large, well-known North American country. - Zamms from iPhone
Newbie systems librarian (former e-resources and serials) at large regional university in Oklahoma (yes, we have winter; no it isn't too bad, mostly). Learning the new ILS and my new job at the same time! Dark-dark chocolate (80%+) and cracker-thin-crust pizza are now topping the list of possibilities for my last meal. Yes, I'm suggestible. - Kirsten
Krista, web services librarian at a mid-sized university on a rock in the north atlantic (with our own half-time zone) - weelibrarian
But no halftime show - DJF from Android
*looks around for more lurkers* Come say hi, we're friendly, I swear! - maʀtha
Jen, e-resources/periodicals at medium midwest public university. Winter - no thank you. Pizza, yes please. Chocolate - dark. My mantra is "everything will be fine" because it will, of course. - Jen
Ruth, systems librarian for an astronomical observatory. I'm in Arizona, the observatory is under construction in Hawaii. Chocolate, coffee, pizza and beer: hell yes. Eggplant: hell no. Winter: I've heard of such a thing but not experienced it since I was a child, and I'm damn happy for that. Dogs, cats, child and multiple computers at homestead. Ask me about Drupal or PDM systems! - Ruth Kneale
Colleen, InfoLit Coordinator, Printer Whisperer, and General Purveyor of Awesome at CSU Channel Islands. Former 8-year Access Services/LibManagement wonk, reuniting with my original love for teaching and curriculum. Dog lover and slave to 2 basset hounds, Otto and Igor. Married to fellow ubernerd Jed, Lord of Comics and Pop Culture. I collect advanced degrees for fun (MA, MLS, MFA,... more... - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Joe, at the University of Denver. I even remember when the LSW was using the pre-FF Meebo Chat Room way back in 2008. - Joe
Another Laura, a/k/a LB. Associate Director for Special Collections at a private university in GA, so I'm more of an archivist, really. All pizza is fine as long as you hold the mushrooms and anchovies. All chocolate is welcome. Two dogs, but I will pet your cat. Winter is not a problem. I need to learn more about DSpace and institutional repositories, but I love my job. (I do not, however, love bureaucracy.) - The First NoeLB from Android
Jonathan, Head of IT at a mid-sized public university library in SoCal - the land of no seasons, also de facto web librarian and institutional repository manager. Moonlights as a brewer at local craft microbreweries, and free time spent as a youth soccer coach/ref. - jönαthaη
(All anybody needs to know about DSpace is RUN AWAY VERY VERY FAST.) - RepoRat
Deborah, sort-of-accidental systems librarian at small New Zealand university's combined library-and-teaching/learning/research-support dept (two of us supporting *all the systems*, occasionally getting in a bit of training as we go). Dark chocolate, all the pizza. Hot chocolate over coffee or tea, ginger beer over beer. (I don't mind a little alcohol with food if it tastes good but... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Laurabrarian Tally: 3 - maʀtha
(RepoRat: Not nearly as fast as one ought to run away from integrating DSpace and Elements.) - Deborah Fitchett
I see how it is, @DJF, you and your driveby snarking - maʀtha
(Also, I have eaten pizza with Martha. :D ) - The First NoeLB from Android
(TRUE!) - maʀtha
Meg, science librarian at a large research university. In my spare time, I teach data-related workshops here and there, in addition to a semester-long MLS course on data librarianship, and I also have a science-writing gig. Clearly I'm bad at hobbies. Beer? Beer. I also love snow. - Meg VMeg
Robin, Director of Technology at a regional system in Kansas. I also write books and teach Project Management at Library Juice Academy. Milk chocolate - any kind; carnivore toppings on my pizza, 2 dogs but I have a cat tattoo. I'm not a fan of winter, but not enough to move away from it. - WebGoddess
(Deborah: what a nightmarish idea. :/ ) - RepoRat
Betsy, newspapers and microfilm librarian at a large midwestern public library. Pizza yes, hold the olives. Like Deborah, hot chocolate over coffee or tea, ginger beer over beer. Milk chocolate, dark chocolate, it’s all good. I love winter. Currently dog-less, but hoping to remedy that in the next couple of years. Whovian since 1981. - bentley
Anali, Scholarly Communications/licensing librarian at a large research university. I live in Phoenix, I don't do winter. I love coffee, beer, pizza, but am middling on chocolate. 2 kids under 3 & 3 needy cats, but luckily I have a husband to help manage all the needs. - Grumpator from iPhone
Hi Anali! - maʀtha
Jeff, title-free community college librarian, stapler fondler, tweaker of borrowed scripts, support-ticket-enterer. Somebody is giving out dark chocolate? Ok. - JffKrlsn
Katie, collection development in a specialized division of a very well-known governmental library. Baking addict, yarn connoisseur, romance genre wonk. Lives part of her life as an alter ego. No pets or any other living things in my home, though I wouldn't mind some plants or a dog at some point. Chocolate, yes--though I prefer milk, and pizza as long as I have dairy pills handy. - Katie
Kathy, still in the "who the hell put me in charge?" phase of my career at an acad lib. App to Ed Leadership doc program submitted. Milk chocolate. Pizza is best made at home with friends to feed. I screen my calls. Winter is best with snow. Bouncy guard dog of a rat terrier, Link. H-son's broadening my parenting skillz with lots of new things this year: girlfriend, show choir, wrestling, and low interest in getting his learner's driving permit. - Kathy
(Btw, you don't have to share real names or job details or real anything, say hi anyway) - maʀtha
Jen. Information Technology librarian in the wilds of Maine. Longstanding fascination for 'how to have a better online life' (in terms of getting what you want out of it), computers, books, and organising all the things. (Also currently engaged in an epic knitting project.) One cat named Astra, one folk harp, and I am fond of chocolate that involves either coffee or hazelnut. - Jennifer Arnott
Beth/Elizabeth. Administrator at a medium-sized public university in upstate New York. Coffee: dark roast, chocolate: Cadbury's royal dark; cats: two; child: one; snow: OK but I don't have much choice; pizza: sausage and onions; beer: Spaten or a good Czech pilsner; hobbies: knitting (although in a dry spell right now) and cooking. I like to think of life as material for the ultimate movie comedy. - Elizabeth Brown
(Jen: I miss Maine. I get to go to Waterville in June for my 20th reunion and can't wait. :) ) - ellbeecee
Kaijsa, academic librarian at the only university in Wyoming. I have many titles to choose from, but mostly work with humanities, teach, and play with tech. Am an outgoing introvert. Love coffee, dark beer, white wine, and bourbon. Dark chocolate but into savery more than sweet foods. Am from the PNW and prefer to keep snow in the mountains and not town, but live at 7220 feet--so, you know. Snowshoeing is fun. Hobbies are reading, music, perfume, and being a smartass. - kaijsa
(This feels like an online dating profile.) - kaijsa
Abigail, medical librarian in Chicago. Lots of interest in Data. Compulsive knitter and drinker of tea. 2 cats and one Philosopher at home. Chocolate is always welcome, though I think white chocolate is weird. - Hedgehog
Kendra, transportation librarian in Berkeley. Likes data, policy, and research. Record collector and plucky left back. 2 guinea pigs and a computer chip maker. Chocolate is OK, but I prefer pickles. - kendrak
(I know, Kaijsa! Everyone is sticking with my format which I didn't intend to be a format) - maʀtha
Another Laura, web services librarian at Sonoma State. All the pizza and all the chocolate, yes, please now. Plus coffee. Plus beer. I like California winters, which are actually fall. Feminist bleeding heart liberal. I read and I sew and I knit. Is there anymore pizza? - Laura Krier
Courtney F., electronic and educational resources at Belmont U in Nashville. Pizza should not have vegetables on it at all. I run so I can eat what I like (and drink beer). Winter stinks because it's so gray all the time. I am librarychic around the web and have more hobbies than i can handle :) - ~Courtney F
Laurabrarian Tally: 4. Do we have a quorum yet? - maʀtha
I really feel like there are tribes of librarians, and I'm pretty sure the Lauras are one of them. Also the Jasons. - ellbeecee
(Martha: a friend used to call it a quarrelum.) - bentley
Katy. Supervising Librarian at smallish medium public lib. I work mostly in Adult and Children's services, but I've been known to work in Teen and Genealogy. I've also done some cataloging when one of the catalogers was out. I manage the Children's collection (doing most of the selecting, but i have a few selectors for other areas) and I select in the following areas for the adult collection: 000s, 400s, 500s, 600s, and sf/f. I also manage the blog. I'm the person they can put anywhere in a pinch. - Katy S
Oh yeah, I have no life. Chocolate is almost always appreciated. Servant to two cats. - Katy S
You people are awesome. Okay about the other >900 of you? Feel free to start making stuff up :D - maʀtha
Those other 900 may be making up their entire existence, judging the number of them posting weight loss tips... - Zamms
Andy,head of the reference department at a public library in NJ, very late to this thread, and the my boss's most frequently asked question of me in the six months i've worked there is "have you pissed off any librarians today?" (Usually yes, mostly on Twitter.) - Andy
Nancy, former systems librarian at a small, public, liberal arts college in FL.Currently "between jobs." Likes: dark chocolate, pizza (no mammal-based toppings except cheese, of course), vodka, cats & dogs, cool weather. Dislikes: bullies, humidity. LSW rocks! - Nancy Sp♠id
Galadriel, head of e-resources services at large university library in New England. Only very good and very dark chocolate; two cats; pizza with spinach, feta, and onions; leave a message and I might eventually call back for immediate reply, e-mail. I like all four seasons, am bummed that winter here is sans snow so far. - Galadriel C.
Has anybody heard of a database that automates knowledge mapping to help identify gaps in the research (in any discipline)? This sounds like the holy grail for researchers, and I assume it's still the stuff of fantasy, but I have a researcher insisting he heard from some librarian somewhere that it exists. Blerg.
And don't get me started on everybody and their mother referring researchers outside my subject areas to me. I know I'm an amazing generalist ;) but my job is supporting humanities research and I can't even stay on top of all of that! - kaijsa
I had a student ask me once if there was such a thing. it's a good thing she used chat reference, because it meant she couldn't see me laugh and laugh and laugh... - Catherine Pellegrino
Thank you for validating me, Catherine. - kaijsa
I mean, I think she stated it *slightly* differently, in terms of "is there a database somewhere that keeps track of research questions that haven't been answered yet" but it was basically the same sort of holy-grail thing. :) - Catherine Pellegrino
I know of some researchers who fill much needed gaps. - Joe
There was just a post by Neil smallheiser (?) from the arrowsmith project talking about a newestti d literature based discovery - that's relAted. Also automatic extraction of knowledge claims from articles - maybe Catherine Blake? - Christina Pikas from iPhone
There is a technique literally known as GRAIL that also does like blast searching to do literature based discover. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
It sounds like that stuff is on the researcher him/herself to implement, which fits into my general understanding of this issue. I really appreciate this help! I know for a fact my library doesn't support any of this software and we aren't staffed to implement it, nor do any of our subscription databases include the kind of functionality this researcher wants. It's always good to check... more... - kaijsa
You know what this question reminded me of? The Mind Map feature in Credo Ref. Obviously that has nothing to do with the "questions unasked" format, but if the student was interested in visually drawing links between topics, that might be something to consider. It's probably too broad topic-wise, but it's a start? - Lily
Nah, I've suggested all kinds of mind map types of things, but this person doesn't want to do the work needed to choose a dissertation topic and I'm done, especially as I am not the subject specialist for the area of study. I've punted to the advisor. - kaijsa
Thanks, though! - kaijsa
Blerg indeed! - Lily
Meg VMeg
Can you remember smells? Like, if I told you to remember a rose, and then an orange, and then...cedar or something, could you do it?
Yes, some smells more than others, though. When I just tried those three, cedar and orange really popped, but my rose has faded? lol - Brent Schaus
Those three? Yes. - Catherine Pellegrino
Are there others that you can't? I ask because I was reading this annoying Oliver Sacks book, and he claims that people usually can't recall scents. And I don't understand what he's talking about. - Meg VMeg
Yeah, well, people also claimed that we don't dream in color, yet I do...go figure. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
I don't. I mean, I know what they smell like and I'd recognize them, and I can describe their characteristics, but if I think about them I don't have a sensory memory of them. - Katy S
Maybe they mean on a specific neurological level? Like the parts of the brain dealing with memory trigger, but not the parts dealing with scent, so you don't "really" remember the smell, just think you do? I know a lot of the argument about not dreaming in color is because (supposedly) we add the colors in after we wake (according to brain scans or something) as opposed to registering coloring during the act of dreaming/seeing? - Soup in a TARDIS
As I reflect on it, to remember the smell of orange I kind of have to remember the taste, too. They go hand in hand. - Brent Schaus
I. Can really remember and whatever equivalent of picture those smells. But my brains weird. I used to have a bit of synesthesia - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Yes. I can remember what a particular thing smells like. I am wondering if he is saying that we can't remember what a thing smells like, or if we can't remember what we were smelling during a particular moment or event. For eg if you asked me to tell you what my office, or the restaurant, or a street I was walking on, smelled like on Friday I would be pretty lost, but if you asked me what it looked like I would have a clear picture. - Marianne
So, clearly I'm the freakish one here. - Katy S
I believe the answer for me is yes. But it would be interesting to take peer-reviewed test on the matter. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Yes. - Steven Perez from Android
So, yeah, I can remember those, but like Marianne, if you asked me to remember what the building where I spent 75% of my waking hours in college smelled like, then no, I can't remember that (though I know from experience that if I walk into it again now it'll smell EXACTLY THE SAME). So maybe that's what Sacks means? Oh, and the only reason I can say "yes" to rose is because I just started using something that has a really genuine rose scent to it, so it's a recent memory. - Catherine Pellegrino
Yes. ETA: I had visuals come up with each word as I was thinking about the scent. Cedar made me picture the cedar closet in my parents' bedroom, for example; roses made me visualize the rose garden in Capitol Park (a very fragrant spot). Oranges brought up an image of oranges smashed on the sidewalk near where I park my car, as they fall off the trees along that street. Is that typical? - Corinne L
Smell is probably my strongest sense--a lot of my memories are connected to smells--the spaghetti sauce that my mom's best friend made when I was 3 or 4--it had celery in it. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Aye. - Jenny H. from Android
Yep. - Melly Claus
yes I would. my nose is very sensitive. I woulda been a great bloodhound. - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
The orange, yes. - Alix May
So, all of you get a sensory memory of the smell? You think about it and it is as if you are smelling it again? This amazes me. I must be missing out. - Katy S from iPhone
Yes to both being able to recall a scent and to Katy's question about sensory memory of a smell. :) - Hookuh Tinypants
I feel defective. - Katy S from iPhone
Katy, no! I have a dear friend who can't smell at all. never has. it's pretty crazy and I forget about it sometimes, but he lives a happy fulfilling life. mostly. ;) - t-ra supports #LOLSpidra
Oh hun, you're far from defective. :) - Hookuh Tinypants
I'm fine. I just never realized other people could think of a scent and smell it. I'm not great at recalling specifics from images, either. I wonder if those things go hand-in-hand. ETA. Which isn't to say that I can't ID scents very well. I'm fairly sensitive to them and can usually ID them quickly. I just dont have that kind of scent recall. - Katy S from iPhone
I would definitely recognize it if I smelled it, so that must be a memory stored in there somewhere, but I can't think about it and recall a smell as if it is right there with me if that is what you are talking about - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Katy - I can't either. Just trying right now made me sneeze :). - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I am also a freak. But then I also can rarely smell anything. - laura x
Walt Crawford
Can anyone give me a sound reason why I should *not* try switching to IE as my browser? The constant stream of Flashcrashes and script-stoppages on Firefox is wearing me down, and Chrome's unwillingness to let me avoid Sans Everywhere is a turnoff...
["Sound reason" does not include "three years ago it was slow," for example.] - Walt Crawford
Nothing's permanent. Why not try it and see? I have such a bias against it but I've always been forced to use an older version. - Christina Pikas
I have it set up (with bookmarks imported & rearranged), but now realize that there are FF customizations I'd miss. One of these days, when I have nothing better to do... Anyway, thanks for the response. - Walt Crawford
Followup: And...when I switched back to FF again, there was an update that *seems* to have solved the Flash/crash problem, or at least I haven't had any in three days. - Walt Crawford
Nice! I'll look for it. - Meg VMeg
Sigh. That was a nice three days. Flashcrash is back. I dunno why I need Flash for FF anyway, but... - Walt Crawford
♫Maurice the Trainer♫
Anyone in the LSW know any one at Chicago Public or is at Chicago public? I need to talk to them about their Maker Lab.
are you on the makerspaces listserv? I think they might be on there. - Christina Pikas
Betsy is, right - maʀtha
What's the question? I won't be back in till Monday, though. - bentley
Actually, I can give you the name of one of the reference librarians who also works there. - bentley
Whoops. Not friends, so can't DM you. - bentley
I know Rob Dumas (@stray on Twitter), he works in the Maker Lab. Also Michelle Frisque -- let me know if I can introduce - Hedgehog
Didn't know there was a makerspsces listserv and yes intros please. - ♫Maurice the Trainer♫ from Android
A bubble bath cures the ills of the work day. ❤️
So does bourbon. - Katy S
+ bourbon in bathtub with a box of Bon Bon and a trashy romance with a clever heroine - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I agree with all of this. - Marie
barbara fister
Emergency RA question for those who read YA: books similar to Doctorow's Little Brother. Go!
mt anderson, Feed. Paolo Bacigalupi has a new one i thing. - John Dupuis
ooh, Feed creeped me out. - barbara fister
How about YA books not necessarily futuristic/dystopian but involving tech and civil liberties? - barbara fister
Rob Sawyer isn't explicitily YA, but his books generally are very appropriate and accessible for the YA audience. - John Dupuis
Depending on the child, snow crash by stephenson - Hedgehog
Someone asked that and posted answers: (I didn't finish Little Brother, so I don't know if my opinion counts, but I was going to suggest Ready Player One) - bentley
Would something like City of Ember fit this? I didn't read it, only saw the movie. - Joe
Civil liberties - among the hidden. Younger than what others have suggested. - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Maggot Moon by Sally Gardner might work. - Katy S from iPhone
More tangentially, The Waking Dark by Robin Wasserman. Definitely try Unwind by Shusterman and The House of the Scorpion by Nancy Farmer. Ruth's Divergent series. I don't particularly like it, but a lot of kids do. The Giver by Lowry could fit, too. - Katy S from iPhone
I thought of Snow Crash, too. It depends on what about Little Brother the reader particularly likes. - maʀtha
Ooh. I almost forgot Hexwood by Diana Wynne Jones and Incarceron by Catherine Fisher. - Katy S from iPhone
Well, and they might like some straight up cyberpunk - maʀtha
Thanks, all - will check these out, pass along. - barbara fister
now that the Google / blog search no longer works … how can we search for blog posts? Any suggestions? my usual search wizardry is failing me. Patron wants to know how fans feel about the repeal of the NFL blackout rule & I thought a search of joe blows' blogs would be useful.
This is a great question. I've noticed that Google rarely brings back blogs and forums anymore, and seems to prioritize institutional and commercial sites. *perks ears for answers* - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
This is woefully incomplete, but it ought to approximate the effect you're going for: OR OR OR NFL blackout rule [and then apply relevant date limiters] - Catherine Pellegrino
awww, Catherine, thanks - that does work. #LazyLibrarian. This works too: nfl blackout rules inurl:blog Still curious to know if there's a better way … anyone else? - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Links to will help. Self hosted domains still do. Also maybe the word blog in the URL will catch some Drupal and other cms - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Oh hey, that's a good point about linking to I couldn't figure out a way to include self-hosted Wordpress blogs, but that would do it. - Catherine Pellegrino
Greg Notess' latest column points to this URL to Google blogs, but says it's likely to disappear "soon." - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Mr. The Jason Fleming
"Nature, one of the world’s most-cited scientific publications, took a step toward open access on Tuesday by granting its subscribers and journalists wide authority to let outside readers view its articles at no cost."
Michael Eisen's response: "Yet Nature knows that they can’t really provide free access without giving up their lucrative subscription business model, which they are unwilling to do. So they do something that makes it seem like they are promoting free access, while doing nothing to address the real obstacle to free access – subscription publishing." - Meg VMeg
and no, the profanity laced 7-word phrase repeated paper is not an embarrassment for OA advocates. (responding to the chronicle article) - Christina Pikas
After some testing on twitter, it seems if you are on mobile browser this sharing option wont work. Works only on desktop.. - aaron
Works only on desktop. Both to share and to receive a share. - Lisa Hinchliffe
Bit of a Twitter roundup at - RepoRat
What Christina sez. (Otherwise, this "if you're privileged enough to have the right contacts, you can sort of read our articles" move is...well, I think Eisen, Mounce, Swoger et al are saying it nicely.) - Walt Crawford
my fave part is when the Nature rep said she was "disappointed" folks thought to link it to PubMed. - jambina from iPhone
link it in what way? - RepoRat
building a search from the abstract to the full text so you could read it all. Eisen and Mounce were discussing it I think. - jambina from iPhone
I saw in one of the comments making a bookmarklet or something to generate a share link from pubmed or something. I guess the person who suggested that (Mounce?) was told no. - Christina Pikas
Something about how the links can be created, and then comments in PubMed Commons can link to the article, and they are seen at the bottom of PubMed records, for examples, and for a specific article. - Joe
heh, I think John Mark Ockerbloom was onto a similar idea -- some kind of crowdsourced URL generator/aggregator is gonna happen, the question is what NPG does when it does - RepoRat
That didn't take long: - RepoRat
Ooooh, nice! - Meg VMeg
Andrew C (✔)
Sesame Street never loved Cookie Monster enough to stage an intervention for him.
His enablers were happy to feast upon his crumbs. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
In their defense, Cookie Monster always shared. - Steven Perez
They have him exercising control now - Christina Pikas from iPhone
revisionism! - Big Joe Silence
Christina - yes, but I thought treatment programs were more successful than going it alone. - Andrew C (✔)
Meg VMeg
Let's say you were teaching an Intro to Data workshop for librarians: 1) What are some learning activities you could do without there being computers in the room (other than an instructor station)? 2) How big does the class have to get before you don't bother having people introduce themselves?
1) My go-to is the horror-story analysis. Print out horror stories. Group learners; assign each group a story. Have them read it and report out on what went wrong, what the consequences were, and whether/how it could have been avoided. 2) I've done a "What brings you here today?" instead of introductions. It worked okay. - RepoRat
Card sorts-- how do you file things. Same sets of files, but people will organize different. Help people to see where they put things. What overarching categories help? - Hedgehog
Ask them to think of a data set they own themselves. Have them fill out (pairs, groups) the DM checklist from UMN (see half way down the page) - Hedgehog
are they wanting to work with the data or curate it? - Christina Pikas
Y'all are the best, I owe you many tacos! Christina, it was billed as basic data reference/instruction/collections, but people mostly wanted "big data" and research data management. I was strongly prepared for the latter, but I don't care much about big data *shrug*. If you have any other ideas for activities, though, please feel free to add them! - Meg VMeg
I did a "data reference question strategy" session, but I'm not sure how well it would work without computer access (I intentionally back-wrote questions based on stuff I found in data repos). Maybe as small-group discussion? - RepoRat
As for big data, you're welcome to steal from - RepoRat
I'd like to say a big THANK YOU for including your notes with your slides, @RepoRat. I find slideshare to be mostly useless without them. - Laura Krier
My class slides work without talk notes, but my conference slides don't. I don't mind if people read my wacky scripts, so I include them. Glad it helps! - RepoRat
This is probably way beyond the scale of what you're doing, but I've spoken with a data librarian at the Uni of Melbourne who has put on a full data training program called Immersive Informatics (for researchers and librarians). Here is a publication about it: Might give you some ideas. - Megan loves summer
Intriguing, are their outputs available publicly? I didn't see them linked from the site. - Meg VMeg
Meg, I've dm'd you my contact's details; might be easiest to email her directly. You're right, I don't see the nitty gritty details on the website. - Megan loves summer
Thank you! - Meg VMeg from Android
Along those lines, there's also a group in New England working on a Collaborative Data Management Curriculum. It's a robust program that's been going on for several years now: - Regular Amanda
Yep yep, it's good stuff. I suppose I wish there were more curricula re: "basic data reference/manipulation/instruction/collections" available. I'd like to make one...someday. - Meg VMeg
Mary Carmen
I wonder if my mom will kill me for tonight's FB post????
Did you not tell her prior to posting? - Corinne L
Oh, no, she knows. She just is old-fashioned. Like you should wait three months or whatnot. - Mary Carmen
My mom was that way too. - Corinne L
It's your choice and she will just have to deal with it. Fwiw, my mom feels the same way as your mom, but I think that's primarily because of our family medical history. Or, she's just old-fashioned. Regardless, it's all up to you. - Katy S
The funny thing about waiting until 3 months. If the embryo/fetus fails to progress it is usually by 8-9 weeks. It just takes the body that extra 3-4 weeks to finally figure it out (bleeding to express the sac). Anecdotal stuff from scanning pregnant ladies for 32 years. - Janet
Not on fb... Congrats?!?!! - Christina Pikas from iPhone
^^^ - bentley
Aw, are you preggy again? Yay! Congrats! Exciting! (Unless you're not and I'm totally misreading this...) - Laura Krier
Yes. We are expecting in late June/early July. - Mary Carmen from iPhone
missed this, but congrats!!! - Sir Shuping is just sir
Congratulations! - Galadriel C. from Android
Meg VMeg
Did your grandparents go to college?
Nope, they were dairy farmers in WI. No for my parents, too, but my dad went into the air force. My mom graduated HS. First Gen in the family, along with many of my cousins. - Joe
I know that one grandmother did (she became a schoolteacher) and one grandfather didn't. I'm not sure about the other two. - John (bird whisperer)
The other set of grandparents were in the housing/construction business. - Joe
my paternal grandfather went to business school and became a CPA because he was "lame" as they said... and couldn't work on the farm. My paternal grandmother went to nursing school. my maternal grandfather had an 8th grade education i think, but ran a small business (trash collection), and so my maternal grandmother went to business school to keep the books for their business and so forth. They gave my mom hell for wanting to go to college to be a teacher. - LibrarianOnTheLoose
My dad went in the Air Force, he went to night school when i was a little kid at the local community college. My mom never did become a teacher although she went and got her master's in education when I entered undergrad. - LibrarianOnTheLoose
my dad's parents i think his dad did, but he was also in the army and learned electrical stuff there. his wife didn't though. my mom's parents her dad was an architect before he passed and her mom worked as an senior editor for a national science publication, then went and get her ba, and then her master's and after she retired as an editor she taught at risk kids/low income kids how to read - Sir Shuping is just sir
Only my mother's father. He had a master's in French from Cornell. Spent most of his working life a county treasurer; they named the building after him when he retired. Possibly all the more remarkable that ALL my parents, uncles, and aunts did! - RepoRat
Some of them. On the paternal side both my grandparents were (at one time or another) college professors (biology and home economics), and my grandfather had a law degree too (he worked as a magistrate for a long time). My maternal grandfather got his electrical engineering degree by correspondence after WW2 (though he never sat in a college classroom), and neither my maternal grandmother nor my maternal stepmother ever went. - Marianne
I don't think so. my maternal grandmother was an LPN, so did some kind of nursing school. Paternal grandmother was a buyer for a department store. maternal grandfather worked in a potato chip factory and I don't know what my paternal grandfather did. - ellbeecee
Nope - DJF from Android
Most of them. Both my grandfathers went to university as relatively young men (one on the GI bill). My maternal grandmother did a year of college then quit to marry my grandfather. She returned to college in her 50s to complete both a Bachelors and Master degree. I don't know if my paternal grandmother ever attended or completed university, but my guess is no (her family "role" was... more... - Soup in a TARDIS
Nope. Paternal grandfather was a mechanic/beerslinger; maternal grandmother was a short-order cook at a truck stop and worked in a potato chip factory. My maternal grandfather worked as a spook, then in mining, then as the manager of a paving company; my maternal grandmother worked at Simpson's. - Brent Schaus from iPhone
No. - Jenny H. from Android
One grandma went to nursing school. One grandfather had a full scholarship to go, but couldn't because his father died and he had to stay home and run the family business. He was always a little bitter about that. - Katy S from iPhone
However, my other grandpa's aunt had an MS in biology. Sadly, all she was able to do with it was teach high school. She, too, wasn't very happy. - Katy S from iPhone
No farmers in NoDak, My parents did not either. Mom graduated from 8th grade Dad graduated High School He called his time at Fort Snelling Army post his college. I did not either trade school and apprenticeship as a Pipefitter - WarLord
Nope. Neither did my mom. My dad served in the Army (Vietnam) and got an Associate's Degree after. - Lola Bean (Penguin)
Mom's side both had bachelors in business from Virginia Tech. Their brothers and sisters also had degrees from there. Dad's side no but his mother did bookkeeping for his fathers businesses and his aunt was a navy nurse - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Three of them did, all the first to do so in their families. My paternal grandmother married at 17 and had 6 kids, no college for her. My maternal grandmother taught elementary school, then got a Master's degree in psychology, then started a PhD in biblical studies and became a research assistant for one of her professors. Her boss and my grandfather talked her out of getting the PhD... more... - maʀtha
No - closest was my maternal grandmother who went to nursing school. Most of my paternal grandmother's family did at some point, except for her. - Jennifer Dittrich from FFHound!
Nope. Parents either - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Both my grandfathers had bachelor's degrees (engineering and pharmacy), and my maternal grandmother had a masters (English). My paternal grandmother mifht have had an associates. I've never been clear on that. - Kirsten from Android
My mother's parents met in college, though her father didn't finish till after she got her BA. My father's parents did not, but they were a whole generation older. - laura x from iPhone
Nope. One grandfather was a mechanic; the other split rocks in a quarryman before becoming an electrician. Both grandmothers were teachers in rural schools when you could teach with a high school education. - Heather
Of hard knocks, only. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Paternal, he had a PhD in psychology and she has an MA in history. Maternal, nope. A butcher and a homemaker. - Jenica from iPhone
Nope. - Jed from iPhone
3 of the 4. - lris
Maternal grandmother is the only one-she went to my alma mater, and was promptly disowned when she broke an engagement with an Amherst boy (scandal!) to run off and marry my grandfather, an Air Force man. He didn't go to college- my paternal grandparents didn't either. Don't think my paternal grandmother made it out of high school- she had my father when she was 16. Secretary and milk truck driver. - Julie Kane
My American grandparents did: engineering and architecture. My grandmother didn't finish because she had to go home to look after her sick father, and then she got married. My grandfather promised her they'd go somewhere where she could finish her last year of school. She never got go to back. - bentley
Maternal grandparents - no, though my maternal grandfather's 2nd wife must have done some post-HS studies because she taught school for many years. Paternal grandparents - grandfather went to college & worked for GM for many years, then worked for the Adventist church. Grandmother did not. Paternal grandfather's 2nd wife went to school in NY to be a dietitian - not sure if it was part of nursing school. (Great question, BTW - I'm now motivated to get better answers.) - Corinne L
maternal Gram is the oldest living alum from the University of New Brunswick. none of the others went. - jambina
Nope. Only one of that cohort of my parents & their siblings finished high school at the typical age, the youngest of my father's siblings. My mother went up to grade 8 or 9. My father finished high school and did an engineering degree at night school after WWII. Sir George Williams FTW! - John Dupuis
Nope. - Steven Perez from Android
Both my grandfathers did, but not my grandmothers. Mom's dad was a doctor. - Laura
Paternal grandparents, no. Maternal grandparents, yes. - Spidra Webster
Two got 4 year degrees and two got 2 year degrees, apparently. Handy that you asked this question on Thanksgiving when both my parents are standing right here. :-) - Brian Johns
I added chocolate chips to it, too (but no bourbon). - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE from WinForFeed
I used the Jack Daniels in mine. Shhhhh! - Christina Pikas from iPhone
I would have used bourbon, but I don't keep any in the house, and wasn't about to go buy a bottle just for pie (especially while it was snowing). - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
It's snowing here, too. - John (bird whisperer)
snowing here, too. big fluffy stuff you get this time of year - Christina Pikas
It's not snowing here. It snowed Monday. - RepoRat
lol B knows - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
You're welcome. :) - Steven Perez
Gonna be a big girl and put on a hat instead of being a wimpy Californian. - Marie from iPhone
Wimpy Californian ---> - Steve C Team Marina
Not sure if Google inbox invites are hard to get. But I got some. No idea how many. First few to reply will be sent until they run out.
i might have some, too. if Aaron runs out - Christina Pikas
I'll give it a try. ellbeecee at gmail. Thank you. :) - ellbeecee
Yes, please. bentley at Thanks. - bentley from Android
Please! jfleming73 gmail - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
I would share the clay tablets I will soon rely on, but they're awfully heavy to send. - barbara fister
CogSciLibrarian at the gmails if you still have. I want the ability to delay emails & set reminders on emails!!! - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
I think i have given out to everyone listed here. Still seem to have invites.. Though I think by now most who want one should have one. - aaron
I would like one, if you have any left - maʀtha
Sure. seems to be my last one for this batch - aaron
I now have some, if anyone wants. :-) - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
got it, thank you, Aaron! - maʀtha
If anyone has Google inbox invites still, I'd like one - lisalibrarian@gmail - Lisa Hinchliffe
sent, Lisa. From ellbeecee@gmail - ellbeecee
Thanks! Received and about to try it out! - Lisa Hinchliffe
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