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RAND | (Technical) Reports | Bibliometrics as a tool for supporting prospective R&D decision-making in the health sciences: Strengths, weaknesses and options for future development - http://www.rand.org/pubs...
"Bibliometric analysis is an increasingly important part of a broader 'toolbox' of evaluation methods available to R&D policymakers to support decision-making."
- Mr. Gunn
from Bookmarklet
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- Christina Pikas
What should social software for science look like? - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
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FF doesn't meet all your requirements but it does seem to work well compared to the specialized services - at least in some fields
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Well I guess that's not surprising given my biases - at some level I'm more interested in what people think I've missed than my own predjudices though. FWIW I think a clever combination of DropBox, FriendFeed and some of the elements from StackOverflow, with perhaps a bit of the coordination ability of posterous would go very close to the mark. Still need better network and filter management tools though - somehow they need more configurability but less configuration...
- Cameron Neylon
OpenWetWare is looking to make a major overhaul in the next couple months, and has a bit over 1 year of funding left. I feel like this is an opportunity to at least try to do some of the things that most people think are necessary for SS4S. Not perfect, but better so that we'd have a better idea of what is really needed. I think the time frame (now; already funded) makes "not perfect" a...
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- Steve Koch
I really like what you said in point 10. It's something that I've seen far too many scientists being cavalier about. Federation, open protocols and specifications, along with open source, are very important to science.
- Christopher Granade
Might be worth seeing how far sourceforge meets your criteria. Certainly it's totally based around objects, i.e. software projects, and there are lots of high quality open source science projects whose code is hosted there. Although it has community/social networking tools I've personally never really used these and most visits I've had to sf have either been fleeting (to download...
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- Dan Hagon
Steve, absolutely we need to keep evolving with the resources available. OWW is a great place to do that.
- Cameron Neylon
Dan, there was a conversation around using Github in a similar way some months ago and I think these things have a lot of potential as a back end. I think federation is important enough that you'd want to use a DVCS rather than SVN as a back end though.
- Cameron Neylon
Sourceforge has several DVCS options in addition to svn these days. Although github is great I would be wary of anything that requires scientists to learn the intricacies of git. hg and bzr are much more friendly to non-developer types that don't need the full flexibility of git. I've had some success using them to collaboratively author LaTeX documents.
- Matt Leifer
Matt, ok, I'm behind the times (nothing new there!). The intracies are less of an issue as this would only be a back end. No SS4S that any significant proportion of scientists use is going to look _anything_ like a code repository. To start with your average scientist is never going to touch a command line. If you're dealing in Latex you're already talking about a minority I'm afraid....
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- Cameron Neylon
There are several wikis that use DVCS as a backend. This could be a starting point for developing the type of thing you are interested in.
- Matt Leifer
LaTeX isn't the minority in whole areas of math, CS, physics....I guess that brings up the same old complaint: "science" is defined as all biomed, all the time. I'll try to come up with some more substantive comments though
- Christina Pikas
Christina, didn't mean to say it should be excluded just that a non-command line system is non-negotiable so most online VCS aren't going to be good enough as a front end. Support for Word, Excel, video, images, XML and Latex are all non-negotiable characteristics of any such system.
- Cameron Neylon
Matt, not sure that a wiki is the right starting point - the document model doesn't seem right to me, although I'm way behind on the most recent developments in Wikis so I may be out of date on that as well. What is in my head is a DVCS back end with APIs providing access from e.g document authoring systems, databases, publishers, whatever. A feed system that looks a bit like friendfeed...
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- Cameron Neylon
I wasn't suggesting actually using one of the wikis, just that they have already done a reasonable job of abstracting the version control functionality (in fact, some of them support more than on DVCS in this way) so there may be some things in the codebase that are useful. It is also an example of taking a command-line DVCS and giving it a more user friendly interface. In addition, if...
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- Matt Leifer
Ah good to know - which do you think are the best examples of these wikis? I should take a look. In any case at this stage I'm just throwing ideas out. Have no resource to actually a build anything at moment.
- Cameron Neylon
Is there actually a need for social software for scientists? Or should scientists use and customize the existing social networking tools (FriendFeed, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)?
- Martin Fenner
I'm beginning to think the main issue will be that business models for consumers services are incompatible with what researchers need. So yes, customise might be better than build but if we have to go down that route we may as well have a good idea of whats required. One person's customisation is another person's build.
- Cameron Neylon
I'd be curious what you think of HubZero, Cameron.
- D0r0th34
Depends a bit on server setup. For Mercurial I like Hatta, but it requires persistent python processes, i.e. no good for most shared hosts that only allow CGI. There is a list of RCS backed wikis here: http://hatta.sheep.art.pl/Similar projects
- Matt Leifer
Cameron, I love and absolutely agree with the necessity of "scientific objects". If you lack those, then (as Martin points out) just use the general purpose sites. In that principle, I think there are some viable networks -- DVCS systems around scientific code, Mendeley around scientific publications, (eventually our BioGPS around genes). But I think we should be developing specific networks appealing to specific groups of researchers, rather than trying to serve the needs of all scientists...
- Andrew Su
Andrew agreed, but if these are federated then they can all still talk to each other. I'm thinking more framework than site or single service. Ideally all of these things can be plugged in or wired up together...my concern with general purpose sites is primarily that they don't provide the level of trust and stability that we would expect for "research enterprise"
- Cameron Neylon
Just one comment. There are protocols out there that allow different social networks to talk to each other. There are protocols out there that allow web resources to talk to each other. It's not really that hard if everyone supports some basic standards. RESTful API's, OAuth, OpeniD/Facebook Connect/Friend Connect, etc. IMO what's more important is that any sites we design have the...
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- Deepak Singh
@D only really had a chance to have a quick look. First impressions are that it is very slick but looks as though everything has to be on the inside - I don't see much mention of pulling stuff in and out. The multimedia talks are nice but why not pull them in from e.g. slideshare to pick an example.
- Cameron Neylon
completely agreed, federation through standards...
- Andrew Su
Twitter is far from perfect, but look at the infrastructure that has evolved around it e.g. 3rd party apps, services). You don't get that kind of traction around a social networking site just for scientists. Imagine what email or the WWW would look like if there were separate versions just for scientists.
- Martin Fenner
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Absolutely but that actually means we can build something better, and as long as it hooks into Twitter (RSS/OAuth...Deepak's list basically) we get all the benefits and all of the functionality we want - as well as a way of drawing people in. Assuming this framework is any good of course. Imagine PubMed if it had been built for the consumer web (actually maybe not such a good example...
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- Cameron Neylon
Sort of responding to Deepak a few comments earlier. Something like a social network is useful for at least one reason: recruiting scientists who aren't ready for open science, or cannot communicate openly for one reason or another. So, a reasonably secure way of making data private and shared with a limited network is a good thing, I think. I think ultimately that will lead to much more open science (my own lab started out with a private wiki before doing ONS)...
- Steve Koch
Steve, but does it have to be a social network per se, or a site for say sequencing geeks (I am looking at you SeqAnswers) with the appropriate features built in. Social networks don't have to be all in the open. Facebook is a social network. 90% of my communication on there is private and you should see how much of my Twitter usage is DM's
- Deepak Singh
Deepak, I think I was just using terminology incorrectly. I was assuming Facebook = social networking.
- Steve Koch
The US gov is inviting comment on the Public Access to Science and Technology. http://friendfeed.com/mrgunn... I know we have some comments, can we draft a quick letter?
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I assume international input is welcome.
- Mr. Gunn
Don't have much time to help draft but will try -- and will certainly sign.
- Bill Hooker
ditto Bill
- Jean-Claude Bradley
ditto Bill, too
- Graham Steel
Will be happy to contribute and carry work load. Would it be worthwhile to write an 'international' letter that could be forwarded to individual govts (a letter that would be put forward globally, and simultaneously, with signatures from around the world).
- Kubke
Can look over drafts and do tinkering if it is useful...or just sign if it isn't
- Cameron Neylon
Cool, I'll start something on Etherpad.
- Mr. Gunn
question is: should we have 2 letters - one from US residents (whether citizens or whatever) and one from interested international folks? I don't know if they get sorted into different piles or what.
- Christina Pikas
I dont see a need for two letters. The signatures could be separated into US scientists and international support.
- Kubke
For those of you of the furry-parent persuasion: do you have pet insurance? Do you recommend it? Who do you have?
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I don't have it, but I did talk to my vet about it and they recommended against it. The cost to how often you use it, unless its a regularly sick pet, isn't worth it. The ones that I've seen the deductible was pretty high compared to how often I'd pay and basically I'd never meet it...
- Sir Shuping
nope, no insurance for our three. better than insurance is finding a vet who doesn't do stupid unnecessary testing IMO.
- D0r0th34
None here, but I'm blessed with The Healthiest Cat Ever.
- Catherine Pellegrino
We tried it and it didn't work out well for us. The amount the insurance company reimbursed for each procedure was too low to adequately balance out the monthly fee. Also, watch out for preexisting condition clauses.
- marthalib
At work, we had a claim in recently whereby a cat apparently sneezed on and broke a TV. As is standard practice with most property insurers, damage caused by household pets is not covered....
- Graham Steel
we considered it when our cat was at the end of her life, but it was too late for her anyway. to be honest, we should have stopped before driving her an hour to a 24 hr animal hospital at huge costs. It didn't prolong her life and it did cost a ton. so we don't have it for the dog either.
- Christina Pikas
None. I'm waiting for it to be a taxpayer-paid benefit on my city paycheck. :-D
- Rochelle Rochelle
We used to carry it. It just wasn't worth it. Since we cancelled it, we've been putting aside that same amount each month and that has worked out much better when there have been emergencies.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Nope. Looked into it once, and what others are saying is true: It's VERY expensive for what you get, at least for non-purebreed animals that are reasonably healthy when you adopt them. (We've never had or wanted purebreeds, which might raise the stakes.)
- Walt Crawford
I don't have it now and I didn't have it for my cat who died a few years back, a pure-bred siamese who lived almost 19 years. It wouldn't have been worth it for her. She was really healthy and I have a good vet. We ran blood panels a few times when she was older and at the end she was on prescription food, but she never needed an operation or anything like that (aside from spaying her)...
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- Katy S
Katy: Good to hear that about a purebred cat. I was actually thinking about certain dog breeds, notoriously prone to -- what is it, dysplasia? -- and other issues. I'll go along with you on that last sentence as well.
- Walt Crawford
Walt - yeah, that can be a problem for some dogs. Siamese are notorious for living a long time - 20 years and up isn't unheard of. If I had an animal who was likely to have a certain issue/problem, I'd probably just consider putting a bit more money aside, but that's just how I would do it.
- Katy S
Walt--and unfortunately some of those tendencies (e.g. German Shepherds) aren't covered by what is considered a genetic disposition towards hip dysplasia because the animals do often have it. Sadly. Thanks for everyone's feedback! Good reminder that I need to set up a "budget envelope" for kitty costs.
- Abigail wants more eggnog
I agree with Katy on the quality food. That has made a huge difference in our dogs health I think. We've had a few illnesses, but in general our dogs have stayed healthy. I think preventative care helps too.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I thought about it for my 2 cats, especially after about $4,000 in vet bills in the last 2 years (thank GOODNESS I have the means right now to cover them...I haven't always been so fortunate). But, at this point, I think any insurance company would consider everything "pre-existing" and not reimburse me, plus, the whole issue with having to pay the bill up front. Uh, if people HAD $500...
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- vicster
I was going to get it cause my cat has FIV, but after talking to the vet, she said he is extremely healthy for a cat with FIV, and he is an indoor cat (we got him from a shelter), so I decided against it.
- Shevonne
No, for many of the same reasons that others have mentioned. We've had cats with health problems that have been very, very expensive and it still seemed at the last time we looked into insurance that a lot of our costs wouldn't be covered anyway, so we'd probably not end up ahead. We do invest in high quality food, etc. Katy, I'm really glad to hear that about Siamese cats. We have an...
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- joey
A good vet is really key, in addition to what everyone else said. Cat owner for 20+ years, never had insurance. Awesome vet for 18 years, and when we moved, getting a similarly-great vet was (is) very important. We think we've found Good Vet, but only time will tell.
- Stephanie_Thankful
Here is a WSJ article about it today: http://online.wsj.com/article...
- RAPatton
I have VPI pet insurance. It helped a lot when otto broke a foot as a puppy, though it doesnt cover breed-specific known genetic ailments. Also, i get about $100 back yearly after his annual checkup & vaccinations, and it gives me peace of mind. Otto tends to be accident prone, so I'm happy to pay the $20 a month, just in case.
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
Planet Money did a podcast about pet insurance recently. I recommend listening to it. http://www.npr.org/blogs... or, check out the This American Life episode for the full story. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_E...
- ǎňňǎ
Trying to enter ebooks read this year into Zotero in prep for EOY blog post. Not counting on metadata issues fro ebooks improving from earlier.
you can't just export the metadata from worldcat?
- Christina Pikas
Well, yes and no. I had been trying to point to the places I got the books but maybe they are in Worldcat now. I best look. My guess is that most records there will be (more or less) provider neutral & it is so hard to tell one ebook from another. Keep in mind I have been reading out of copyright things from feedbooks, Project Gutenberg, etc. No ISBNS, often incorrect metadata, no edition statements, .... Thanks for the reminder to try though. :D
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
Looked the 1st one up in Worldcat & found 11 hits but it is impossible to tell if any are the one I got--source for most is OAIster. This is my biggest gripe about free ebooks; it's like the Wild West. Almost no one claims which edition they got their scans/text from. Most end user sources are getting them from 2 or 3 main sources which might or might not be specified. I am enjoying reading these books & am glad to have easy access to them but bibliographically this end of the sphere is a mess.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
As for exporting from Worldcat, these records harvested from OAIster have no metadata attached to them so Zotero does not show the import button. Using the EndNote export format gets me title, author & date only; not even a URL to anything. I could type that much as easy as the additional step of searching Worldcat.
- Mar₭ Liŋdŋer
A couple of months ago, I /jokingly/ thought we should turn off ALL of our electronic resources for a day. Then, our patrons would understand a little bit about how important the DBs we subscribe to really are. Patrons just don't know how much work goes on behind the scenes. What would happen at your library?
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"Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria! "
- Mary Carmen
What Mary said.
- ÉllbeeÇee
ditto
- JSNFLMNG
Armageddon
- D0r0th34
I think a core group of students in and out of the library would notice immediately. It would be interesting to see which faculty noticed and how long it took them. I'd love to have a live view of how many people, where are using what library-provided databases and catalogs and such.
- s t e v e
No one would notice--although if you included the internet, people would be seriously bummed.
- laura x
Most or our electronic resources are over the internet. Some use hampsters running in wheels to operate the electronic gizmos.
- joe is...
we did. we had a cyber attack and the whole lab was off teh netz for 2 weeks to protect us. it sucked. it sucked a lot. oh, when ieee goes down we have 5 calls within an hour, btw, so THAT would be noticed.
- Christina Pikas
Two weeks? How did they survive?
- joe is...
my i phone, primarily, and some folks on the top floors of one of our remoter buildings could connect to Chik-fil-a. people worked from home, and our internal twitter/facebook thingy thrived. oh and other librarians in our larger institution e-mailed us lots of articles
- Christina Pikas
Chik-fil-a. Secure transmissions only, I am sure.
- joe is...
lol @MC
- VAL D. Zone
when we turned off one of our proxy servers I spent the whole day fielding calls from clinical faculty based in the hospitals. Oh we know when stuff doesn't work.
- DJF
There's probably some you could turn off and no one would notice, too.
- Mr. Gunn
I don't have access to any databases at my work. So this is a daily issue for me. If more librarians had to work this way, I am sure the open access movement in LIS would thrive. We don't walk the talk.
- Fiona Bradley
chirp chirp chirp
- royce kitts
SD Times blog - Microsoft to release lab management product next year. It's not a web app! - http://www.sdtimes.com/blog...
"Microsoft will release their new lab management product next year which is not cloud-based"
- Mr. Gunn
from Bookmarklet
Is it sharepoint? (yuck)
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Chip design - http://michaelnielsen.org/blog...
Any help would be much appreciated! My search fu has failed :-(
- Michael Nielsen
At first glance, there's this book: The Pentium chronicles : the people, passion, and politics behind Intel's landmark chips. York, UofT & Ryerson all have it.
- John Dupuis
Also this one, though it's a bit older: Creating the digital future : the secrets of consistent innovation at Intel
- John Dupuis
If you still have access to IEEE Xplore, there's quite a lot in there too. Most of that should be indexed in Google Scholar.
- John Dupuis
John: this is great! Stupidly, I didn't look for books, after wasting the better part of an hour looking for other sources (academic papers, blog posts, other online material). I'm sure there must be stuff in the academic literature, too, maybe the business school literature, but I didn't find the right combination of search terms.
- Michael Nielsen
Validating the Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 microprocessor by Bentley, B. International Conference on Dependable Systems and Networks, 2001.
- John Dupuis
I searched on: ((intel and chip and design)<in>metadata) and floating point bug, mixing and matching.
- John Dupuis
librarian fu FTW!
- Christina Pikas
I also searched on "intel chip [/microprocessor] design" and several variants, in Scholar and several other places. I threw out the results which were testing related, and otherwise found only a few slightly useful tidbits. I should look at the testing ones more closely, methinks. (I threw out the Bentley paper previously).
- Michael Nielsen
"The Pentium Chronicles" looks great! Thankyou, John.
- Michael Nielsen
Have you seen: Inside Intel-coping with complex projects by Bell, S.; Kastelic, T. from the Engineering Management Journal, feb 2001
- John Dupuis
John - that Bell and Kastelic paper is exactly what I was looking for. The vague number I remember from my engineer was 650, so I think the paper is even describing the same project. It's perfect! Thankyou.
- Michael Nielsen
Friday frivolity: let's write a three-toed sloth sex joke. - http://scienceblogs.com/ethicsa...
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i have to say that I'm really looking forward to reading the responses :)
- Christina Pikas
Cosma might know a few... http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshal...
- Bill Hooker
Oh.my.god. What a day. First, dealing with some racist defacement of a plaque in a group study room. Security involved, etc. Then, strange smells from work on the roof of the library, causing some staff to go home or be relocated temporarily. Then, just when that seems resolved, the roofers somehow manage to set fire to the roof.
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Fortunately, very little damage but there was a bit of smoke in the library. Fire alarm went off, evacuated the building, Dealing with fire dept, contractor, health & safety people, and all the rest. We ended up closing for the day and will hopefully be open tomorrow if the H&S people give the ok.
- John Dupuis
Oh yeah, and the university's whole data centre is in the basement of our building.
- John Dupuis
that's quite a day you had! hope tomorrow is better!
- Stephanie_Thankful
I'm hoping not to have to go in tomorrow to figure it all out.
- John Dupuis
Wow - sorry to hear all that.Were the strange smells just tar?
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
That needs to be a story for the next LSW zine, dude. "A Day in the Life."
- D0r0th34
No, the smells were some sort of solvent they were using to melt & remove some part of the old roof. Later on, they were using a flame thrower to melt another part of the roof and that's what started the fire. Needless to say, all work has been halted.
- John Dupuis
And who was that recently mused about possibly wanting to get into administration....Just say no, Steve!
- John Dupuis
if we can't dissolve the roof, we'll set it on fire!
- Richard Akerman
There's something to be said for taking the *second* lowest quote.
- John Dupuis
Epic! Strangely, this makes me kind of more interested in administration. Also, would love it if you wanted to write it up for the next zine, whenever that happens.
- s t e v e
My favourite moment was when the Fire Dept captain tore the contractor a new one, right there in front of a good portion of univ administrators.
- John Dupuis
It happened again! Roofers set another fire on the roof today! Fortunately, there was even less smoke in the library this time and the fire alarms didn't go off. But still, it was kinda tense for a while there, with lots of facilities, fire prevention and heath & safety people milling about. Most staff relocated to another building for about 90 minutes but we stayed open with no circ and just me making sure everything was ok. Sigh. And to think this is my last day before vacation.
- John Dupuis
And again today! The library was evacuated for a few hours due to a gas leak on the site for the new Life Sciences building. All three have been on Fridays. Also, I think we need to start getting better contractors.
- John Dupuis
John: I can just see the sign on your wall (borrowed from almost any industrial manufacturer, but with slightly different wording): We Have Gone [X] Weeks Without a Roof Fire!
- Walt Crawford
not sure about the forthcoming RefWorks UI: http://www.refworks-cos.com/RefWork... - does it have to be orange, too?
and that horrible green - I'll be glad when those styles go away!
- Christina Pikas
Today is a great day for the SLA website to go down... Can anyone get to it? http://www.sla.org
Nope, down for me as well.
- ÉllbeeÇee
Down here too
- Abigail wants more eggnog
down here
- Christina Pikas
Thanks, 4 votes is enough...
- joe is...
I'm the Information architect at http://f1000.com. We're thinking about an API. What we need are specific worked examples of what people might like to do with an f1000 API, to help us to decide what to build first (and to prioritize the development). Please suggest things here, or privately. Thanks.
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What do you mean worked examples? In our open URL resolver article page we using the Scopus and the WoS APIs to provide links to similar articles and citing articles. It would be cool to be able to add if the article has been reviewed in f1000. This blog post describes: http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009... . Is that what you're looking for or?
- Christina Pikas
An API should provide all the functionality of the website, in the form of simple HTTP requests that return a data structure (e.g. JSON). I don't know what can be done at the f1000 website but I imagine search by keywords, retrieve by id and so on. I'd suggest you take a look at the FriendFeed API - https://friendfeed.com/api... - as a great example.
- Neil Saunders
Thanks guys, this is a great start. The friendfeed one is particularly toothsome.
- Richard P Grant
Neil's comment cuts to the core of the issue. Also the comment that I think I made when you started that every view, every possible web page that you serve to the user should have an RSS feed. The two statements amount to the same thing really. Use cases are still helpful obviously but if the philosophy is basically that this is essentially the net enabled version of your database is adopted I think its hard to go wrong.
- Cameron Neylon
yeah, that's cool, thanks. We do have RSS on the dev site now: at least for every page that has changing information.
- Richard P Grant
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Unless someone has another idea?
- s t e v e
can't we come up with WANK?
- D0r0th34
lord, honey, I ain't been nubile for YEARS and years.
- D0r0th34
but where's the strategery?
- holly
Strategic Hosts of Information Technology- Holistic Operative team
- Pete
Professional Information Navigators Having Enormous Acronym Disassociation (PINHEAD)
- David Rothman (☤)
Association of Information Professionals Worrying Too Much About Wholly the Wrong Things. (Lame acronym, but I still like it)
- David Rothman (☤)
PINHEAD FTW.
- D0r0th34
Association of Confederated Responsive Ontological Navigators, Your Masters. (ACRONYM)
- David Rothman (☤)
(I got an FTW from Dorothea! Woot!)
- David Rothman (☤)
Knowledge Vanguard of Electronic Learning and Language (KVELL)
- David Rothman (☤)
World Hegemony Achieved in Power Over Words (WHAPOW)
- David Rothman (☤)
Knowledge Veterans Eternally Trying to Change Hats (KVETCH)
- Abigail wants more eggnog
[Falls to the floor and worships at Abs' feet, laughing uncontrollably]
- David Rothman (☤)
win :)
- Abigail wants more eggnog
The Alliance of Information Leaders Coordinating Holistic Approaches to Sharing Every Record (TAILCHASERs)
- Pete
United Bibliophile Experts Realizing Foolish Ontologies Lose Knowledge (UBERFOLK)
- David Rothman (☤)
The Committee for Ensuring Mediocrity Through Excessive use of Committees?
- David Rothman (☤)
Information Professionals United in Bewilderment over the Behaviors of Professional Associations.
- David Rothman (☤)
Abigail ++++++++++!
- Betsy (bentley) Vera
Backwards Organization of Obvious Knowledge Strategies (BOOKS). That'll send the ASKPro's running for the hills!
- John Dupuis
So far, I like KVETCH and BOOKS best.
- David Rothman (☤)
I think the best would be if someone could come up with a name where the acronym is LIBRARIANS.
- John Dupuis
I want a name where the acronym is THWAP. Just cuz.
- Louise Alcorn
Society of Professional And Naughty Knowledgefolk.
- jambina
Well, Jill, that's why I think it would be funny as a new, more "corporate" name for LSW.
- John Dupuis
BTW, Chris Z. FTW!
- John Dupuis
++++ Abigail and Chris Z
- Christina Pikas
jambina made me giggle :-p
- Abigail wants more eggnog
Bureau Of Neverending Knowledge (BONK)
- Louise Alcorn
Librarians Internationally Being Reputable ASKPros, Reacting to Inane Asinine Naming Screwup
- Kathryn says love n peace
I think you go the whole hog and call it 1-800-ASKPro. 'Alone in a new town? Maybe you're at a conference. need company? Then call 1-800-ASKPro. They're hot, discreet, well-referenced and with indexes you'll want to run through again and again.'
- Pete
Pete FTW!
- josh neff, geek at large
"And for some old fashioned comfort, we still have "special" librarians on the books, just waiting to serve you too"
- Kathryn says love n peace
<<<laughing and wheezing at her desk>>
- Connie Crosby
Kathryn + Pete, FTW!
- Louise Alcorn
Nudge
- Abigail wants more eggnog
Ha! Thanks Abigail. I thought we'd done this before. And it was my fault before, too.
- s t e v e
I like Knowledge Lovers Association of Professionals. KLAP
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
Society of Humble, Useful Skill Helpers (shush)
- Stephanie_Thankful
What ever happened to PubScience? http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/nbreade...
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"Clearly modeled after PubMed, PubSCIENCE wanted to attract scientists and the general public to its information. Noting that the U.S. federal government funds 80 to 90 percent of scientific research and development, [the Department of Energy] touts PubSCIENCE as a significant taxpayer benefit. The private sector never saw it that way. Since its inception, PubSCIENCE has been a target. Database producers and some scholarly publishers felt threatened by the free availability of peer-reviewed scientific information."
- Hilary
DOE/OSTI keeps trying. Worldwide science and science.gov and other things. I think that original one had too much competition, too many naysayers, and was too expensive while not being that effective.
- Christina Pikas
Librarians who promote LibX at your institutions: how are you teaching it or otherwise getting the word out? I want to work on promoting it next semester, but I'm afraid it wouldn't fill out a whole workshop like I do with Zotero. Other ideas?
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i would integrate it into nearly every talk - that's what I do. I had a session on getting to library materials from home and i stressed reload through proxy...
- Christina Pikas
I'm working on a short article for the students newspaper and our campus weekly newsletter.
- Jen
I participated in showcasing it during our technology fair. more of a show and tell. We occasionally tweet about it
- JSNFLMNG
I haven't done it for MPOW yet, but I want to create a "Leddy Library" collection of Firefox add-ons including Zotero and our "Foxy Leddy" LibX toolbar: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US...
- mita
Mita, we're redesigning our site and it's going to include a page of apps and add-ons along these lines. I'd be interested to see yours if you do this.
- Jàson Puçkett
Good ideas! *will shamelessly copy*
- Laura H.
Calling International Rescue: knowledge lost in literature and data landslide! - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
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The Biochemical journal, Vol. 424, No. 3. (15 December 2009), pp. 317-333. We live in interesting times. Portents of impending catastrophe pervade the literature, calling us to action in the face of unmanageable volumes of scientific data. But it isn't so much data generation per se, but the systematic burial of the knowledge embodied in those data that poses the problem: there is so much information available that we simply no longer know what we know, and finding what we want is hard - too hard. The knowledge we seek is often fragmentary and disconnected, spread thinly across thousands of databases and millions of articles in thousands of journals. The intellectual energy required to search this array of data-archives, and the time and money this wastes, has led several researchers to challenge the methods by which we traditionally commit newly acquired facts and knowledge to the scientific record. We present some of these initiatives here - a whirlwind tour of recent projects to...
- Allyson Lister
ok. help. has anyone actually downloaded/opened the full text on the biochemical journal site? We subscribe to that journal, but we can't seem to actually get the full text to show.
- Christina Pikas
I don't seem to be able to get to the paper - doi seems to be wrong and BJ site as broken links on it?
- Cameron Neylon
@Cameron, @Christina - weird. When it was advertised via twitter on the 3rd, the entire text was available - I skimmed it, and downloaded the pdf. However, it seems to have gone now. Perhaps the authors asked the journal to wait until the 10th? That's the day that getutopia.com will have Utopia for download (see my twitter history for more). In any case, I have the pdf, but cannot now get to the correct page for it.
- Allyson Lister
Library school dilemma: I'm in California and my top two choices are UCLA and SJSU. I just missed the cut off for UCLA so I'll have to wait a year to apply for Fall '11. SJSU is online, accepts Spring applications and doesn't require the GRE, so technically, I could be in school in a few short months if I went with SJ.
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UCLA is probably my top choice as I'm looking to go the academic librarian route...do I wait and apply to both, and in the mean time, volunteer at libraries and study for the GRE with SJ as my back up? Hmmm...so much rolling around in my head right now. Appreciate any feedback is appreciated.
- Derrick
I'm not familiar with either program but what I can tell you is that once you get the MLIS as long as it's accredited no one will really care which program you got it from, unless you're doing something specific like archives/preservation. As an academic librarian, what mattered most (for me) was getting the degree, having experience in a library, experience in an academic environment, and start seeing whats going on in the academic world today
- Sir Shuping
i can put you in touch with someone enrolled at SJS right now if you want to ask him about his virtual learning experience.
- Marie is monkeying around
Ok, that's good to know. Both programs are roughly equivalent in cost; the premise of an entirely online education does give me the willies, though. Marie, I'd appreciate that. There is so much I still need to learn about all of this, but I'm eager to start and get myself learnin'.
- Derrick
Could you take courses from SJSU that would transfer easily if you get to next fall and still want to go to UCLA? (You'd want to make sure UCLA accepts transfer credits before starting down this path, though.)
- lris
Good question, Iris. I heard that SJSU's program isn't what it once was; it really seems to herd people through, but I also get, as so many of you pointed out, that library school is just the beginning and that you will continue to learn and foster knowledge through training, relationships, associations, etc. so if that's the case, maybe I'll just go with what's easiest? Hmmm.
- Derrick
Would UCLA let you take a class or two as a guest/special student while you apply. Some places will let you take a course or two that way and then they transfer over to the degree program once you are officially admitted.
- Katy S
Ditto on Marie - my 2nd shift supervisor is working on the SJSU MLS right now as well, DM me and I'll get you her contact info...
- ωαřмaiden, MFA'd poet
Katy, UCLA just finished their big push for applicants. I think the deadline for Fall admission is next week. I'll talk to someone there in the new year and get myself on some contact lists to find out more info.
- Derrick
i think that UCLA has a better reputation than SJSU - but you will no doubt get a good education either place. A lot is what you make of it. If you were at all interested in data curation in science - or science information at all - UCLA would be a no brainer. That doesn't seem to be your thing, though.
- Christina Pikas
Christina, that was my thinking too–does reputation matter when it comes to MLIS? My interest under the umbrella of looking at working as reference librarian, I like art, and literature, the humanities. I'd like to work with professors on resources for their classes and help students, etc. Also, look into teaching others how to utilize the library. I assume both schools would provide this to their MLIS students.
- Derrick
Right, I get that, but some universities will let students who haven't applied yet take a class (if there's room) as what is sometimes called a "special student." You do all of the same work, but it doesn't go towards a degree program. Once you are in the degree program, the course can be used towards it. It's the same type of thing as taking a course at a college in the summer that transfers into your degree program at your home school later.
- Katy S
I'll look into it, Katy. There's still the matter of what I'm going to do about my full-time job. It's a great job, but I'm ready to (obviously) move on.
- Derrick
I know Maryland only will take 6 credits from another school. One or the other of the schools might fund you fully. That's definitely something to consider
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Derrick, honestly, wait for UCLA. If you want to talk about SJSU, I'm here. SJSU has some major problems right now and is geared towards out of state students and their money. If you are going to do something online (which SJSU is now exclusively), look at other programs like South Florida, North Texas, or my alma mater, Drexel.
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
Kendra, UCLA is my first choice. I'm just terribly impatient. Fall '11 seems so far away. That's not to say that I could find out a lot by just getting my ass into a library and learning from within.
- Derrick
i do know of some employers that still care about where you got your degree from. sad but true. i say apply late to ucla. i applied late (UIUC) but made myself known to the dean and others and got in. can't hurt....
- βℜ∀ñÐi
Apply late to UCLA. The worst they can say is no.
- D0r0th34
CRAP. I haven't even taken the GRE yet. Let alone studied for it. But this is all helping a lot.
- Derrick
Don't let online programs as such scare you off. There are disadvantages but I found the experience to be a good one and I can damn sure cite it as evidence that I have experience with educational technology. When I interviewed my dean told me that she thought online degrees could be more valuable.
- Jàson Puçkett
I'll keep that in mind, Jason. More than anything, I need to just exercise some patience. I'm not opposed to online programs really, so long as it's a good one. I was looking at SJSU because it's the same state and is relatively inexpensive. I earned my MFA from a REALLY EXPENSIVE art school and I can't afford to take out that kind of loot to go back to school. :(
- Derrick
at the risk of being a pest, I'm going to say it again - they might fund you. Do NOT assume you'll have to pay the whole thing yourself. I assumed that, and I regret it. If you do end up applying for 2011 that gives you more time to line up funding. They should help you do that. - BTW, a friend of mine who had an MBA didn't have to take the GRE for admission to the program at Maryland. Maybe if you have a masters in another area they'll wave the GRE - you can always ask.
- Christina Pikas
Thanks, Christina. I'm thinking I need to head over to UCLA and talk to someone face to face. The deadline is on the 15th.
- Derrick
I started this semester at SJSU and have had a good experience so far. I live in WI and desired a completely online program that I could afford. My first choice was Drexel and I considered UW-Milwuakee, but I settled with SJSU because it was completely online (so that I wouldn't miss out on some of the classes because they are not offered online) and it supported the use of Macs (which Drexel did not at the time I was applying). Also, for me Drexel was signficantly more expensive.
- Becky Rech
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Becky. I need to contact people directly at both schools and weigh my options. What was your first semester like? What classes did you take? Do you feel like you got enough support from your instructors? What are your goals after you finish your degree? Thanks.
- Derrick
I know there are good online programs, but I encourage you to go full-time, in-person if you can. The most valuable parts of my degree program were 1. the relationships I developed with classmates, which happens online but is much easier and faster in-person, and 2. my work at the university library, part of my assistantship/tuition remission to the school. My academic work and practice...
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- Joan
Also, I got a lot of value out of participating in things like the library science student association and being able to stop by faculty offices. I think distance degrees work best for people already working in libraries.
- Joan
Thanks a bunch, Joan. Hearing all these various routes people have taken with school have been great.
- Derrick
I taught for 6 years at Simmons GSLIS, and I'm a big fan of face-to-face classes, at least as a *component* of LIS education. Esp. for reference, which I taught - I tried to model good reference interactions in person & think that might be hard to do online (tho' clearly not impossible). I also agree with @Joan about the relationships you'll develop with your classmates. dm me if u want more thoughts from the (adjunct) faculty perspective.
- Stephanie_Thankful
It wasn’t supposed to be this way… - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
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Ah - found a clearer statement from Met Office on data release: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corpora...
- Cameron Neylon
I must admit that until 48 hours ago, I never realized the Met Office data was secret. I'd always assumed it would be in the public domain. Silly me.
- AJCann
You basically have to send them an email saying what you want and what you're using it for. If you are an appropriate accedited researcher you can get access to the thing you want, but not distribute it I think. Its a classic demonstration of public domain benefits in some ways.
- Cameron Neylon
blimey - I never knew that met office data wasn't public record. Is the idea that Ordinance Survey introduced deliberate small mistakes into their map to protect their copyright? Or is that an urban myth. Depressing is about right.
- Jo Badge
Brilliant post Cameron.
- Andrew Lang
*applause*
- Bill Hooker
I've heard from people who do mapping type stuff that the OS errors are real. Can't say I've ever checked myself though.
- Cameron Neylon
in the US NOAA NWS data is open, but there's a cost recovery model for some of the historic data sets. I think the art around these parts is to combine NWS stuff with Navy stuff and stuff from the literature, but that's just my impression.
- Christina Pikas
My understanding was that most of it was provided at cost - but a lot is in formats that are not terribly useable or useful so they charge for transfer to media and some reformatting. Bottom line is that most of it is government data and therefore in the public domain by definition.
- Cameron Neylon
Some interesting comments on the blog itself - first time I've had that many comments in ages!
- Cameron Neylon
Do you think libraries should get these right away for branches? http://mashable.com/2009...
Interesting. Assuming installation isn't a huge expense, these might earn their keep in commons areas at a <$10 price point. USB doesn't look like disappearing within the next three years at least.
- D0r0th34
I'm going to say no. all you need is a little kid to start jamming stuff into that, too.
- Christina Pikas
I like the concept. I wish they had more info on the installation part. I'd like to know exactly what that would require. But with wifi, do you really need something like this? I don't know, just wondering. This is for internet access, correct? Or for charging?
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
for charging
- D0r0th34
Oh okay! Thanks D0r0th34. That makes more sense. It's an interesting concept.
- Junebug (aka Sarah Jill)
I would dig that, and I think our college students would, too.
- Kaijsa Calkins
nifty
- marthalib
@Christina, we already have plugs throughout the children's room. I'd agree we'd need some kind of soft plug to put in, like we do regular outlets but why wouldn't it be like any other outlet?
- Abigail wants more eggnog
I like what they have in airports where they have different ports for different devices to charge. It would be easier to put in that versus switching outlets (depending on outlet locations, most wifi users are desperately seeking outlets, we had a map for them at my last library). New libraries to be built should have these.
- Jeff Scott
Should we talk about disciplines? - http://scienceblogs.com/christi...
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Christina -- Really like that you put references at the end of your posts. Not many bloggers do that... well, library bloggers anyway.
- joe is...
Great post! (though I am a total sucker for any mention of Fleck, he's my fave)
- MegvMeg
Meg - you know Fleck? He's da man! Good stuff.
- Christina Pikas
and thanks! - hey Joe - how about also including all of the ones from the top like collins, kuhn, crane, and fleck? kuhn is probably ok to take for granted... should i cite the works?
- Christina Pikas
Eh, maybe not a full citation, but maybe enough so people could google em and find the work you mention. Phil Collins?
- joe is...
H. M. Collins, "The scientist in the network," in Changing Order: Replication and Induction in Scientific Practice. Beverly Hills, CA. Sage Publications, 1985, pp. 129-157 (and lots of other places - he's the one who's now doing all the stuff on expertise)
- Christina Pikas
What about looking at how scientists (various) use that term "discipline"? I recall at my previous place of work, the HEP people spoke of themselves as a "discipline" pretty much all the time. They also referred to the several other research areas in the same dept as "disciplines". Balkanization.
- carolh
What joe said about the references. Really appreciate them.
- Bill Hooker
Christina, for a brief time I was a PhD student in history/sociology of science at UC San Diego. Very fun.
- MegvMeg
Interesting conversation with Daniel Glaser (Wellcome Trust) where he said, not only were discipline boundaries fractal, but that this was crucial to the progress of scientific discussion. He spoke about a need to return "home" to an area of expertise after any interdisiplinary conversation or insight to make progress on complex projects.
- Cameron Neylon
Cites & Insights 2010: A Third Option? - http://walt.lishost.org/2009...
i can't really tell the difference - i just got new contacts and can't focus anywhere :( hopefully you'll get a lot of feedback from picky people
- Christina Pikas
Q:difference btwn sensemaking and comprehension? #pengyidefense
hello- was #pengyidefense about a Phd?
- Anne Marie Cunningham
yes it was sorry for the late, late reply. Pengyi Zhang successfully defended her dissertation at Maryland's iSchool.
- Christina Pikas
Networks, Crowds, and Markets: A Book by David Easley and Jon Kleinberg - http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home...
yep, blogged it: http://scienceblogs.com/christi...
- Christina Pikas
@dupuisj My challenge is serious. In 10 or 20 years, we won't need buildings to house books. No library. Who is going to need librarians?
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if you accept the premise, it depends whether librarians add value to containers (physical books) or to discovery, use and preservation of content
- Richard Akerman
these are some of my thoughts from 2008 on the strains on the profession and approaches it can take to adapt http://scilib.typepad.com/science...
- Richard Akerman
Interesting post. Thanks. I liked it.
- Daniel Lemire
libraries - particularly those on college campuses - have a lot more roles than just as warehouses of books. If you accept the statement that we won't need print materials in 10-20 years (which I don't), you still need library-as-place for study areas, for meeting rooms, as a place to house the people who acquire, organize, and provide access to the non-print materials.
- Christina Pikas
if books are online instead of in "book warehouses," the odds are they will be difficult to use (think about all the different ebook platforms that exist now, compared to ONE print-book platform), then my guess is SOMEONEs will need to know how best to use these newfangled book gadgets and train those who don't know. Just as we now value people who show researchers how to find stuff in...
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- Stephanie_Thankful
Stephanie: Oh! My! So... librarians offer tools that are hard to use (Scopus, ScienceDirect...) thus insuring they are needed. Not a great plan. That has been my beef for many years with librarians: why stick with such poor tools? When Google Scholar came about, I was freed from them and I have not looked back. Google Scholar (and similar tools) improve every month... So, relying on these hard-to-use tools to justify jobs is a losing proposition on the long run.
- Daniel Lemire
I think there is a challenge in perceptions of library as place between students and faculty. This is a big issue for my library, as the NRC campus more or less consists entirely of "faculty" and (I believe) we need to completely reinvigorate the idea of library as place for them (I haven't been at the library long enough to know whether it was ever a gathering place, but it's definitely empty now).
- Richard Akerman
I don't know the details, but engineering library at U. New Mexico is clearing out the stacks and has a grant (NSF?) for a building a data visualization center (huge flat panel screens, computers for image processing, etc.) I don't think they'll have virtual reality cave, but that would be a big draw for me. Combined with helping with digital archiving and other repository services, I'm...
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- Steve Koch
There is a good point that in some sense libraries are about pooling resources to get a better shared resource than any individual could get. This was books and articles. In some public libraries it's now e.g. electric metres. There's no reason that shared service and expertise can't be giant screens, or compute resources, or reputation management.
- Richard Akerman
Binghamton University professor stabbed to death by grad student http://www.theithacajournal.com/article... (via @kitschqueen)
that's so horrible. That campus and town have had a lot of bad things happen recently
- Christina Pikas
e-readers-theyre-hot-now-but-the-story-isnt-over: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance - http://finance.yahoo.com/family-...
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"While e-reading devices were once considered a hobby for early adopters, Justin Timberlake is now pitching one on prime-time TV commercials for Sony Corp. Meanwhile, Amazon.com Inc.'s Kindle e-reading device has become its top-selling product of any kind. Forrester Research estimates 900,000 e-readers will sell in the U.S. in November and December."
- Sir Shuping
from Bookmarklet
I've been waiting patiently for a review of the Nook vs. the Kindle. I think I might want to pick one up, but need a third party perspective.
- Derrick
This is actually a pretty decent article and takes it from one of the points librarians have been arguing about, the DRM issues. One ebook vendor that talk to suggests an old laptop or netbook might serve better use. The headline is kinda of poor choice though
- Sir Shuping
my boss was carrying around a review that appeared in the wsj today - looks like it compares a bunch of them
- Christina Pikas
Most people do not want to read on a laptop. A tablet, maybe? But the appeal of ebook readers is their compactness. I am trying to imagine the ergonomics of using a laptop/netbook keyboard to turn pages, bookmark, etc. That sounds really clumsy. Not to mention the difference in battery life between ereaders and computers.
- Rochelle Rochelle
Excellent: Another reason data services need librarians http://scienceblogs.com/bookoft... by @TheRepoRat #scibling
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Alright, I'll bite. I am not quite sure I understand the role(s) being discussed here
- Deepak Singh
I, not a researcher, have to walk into a lab and make a stab at talking to the lab-folk about their data. If I am not to sound a priceless ass, I should know a little something-something about common practices and attitudes in that field before I make that walk. Whom am I to consult to learn that? If I ask the researchers, they'll think me a priceless ass and won't let me anywhere near...
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- D0r0th34
I am not sure that is possible. Heck even the lab people have trouble keeping up with the change. Unless we are talking about different types of data. Are you talking about data coming of instruments or the types of information that ends up at NCBI?
- Deepak Singh
Either or both. You begin to see the difficulty. :)
- D0r0th34
I'd argue instrument data does not have a role for librarians since you don't catalog that in the classic sense. The latter, I completely buy, and the question's a valid one. Also, I always wonder about the boundary between libraries and biocuration
- Deepak Singh
Why don't we catalog it? :) And the boundary you mention is porous IMO, and I hope will become more so. I have a former library-school student embedded in this lab: http://www.loci.wisc.edu/ and she is doing fantastic work and they are very happy with her.
- D0r0th34
1. the data changes every so often as instruments and techniques change. 2. Many times you are going to throw it away since you can regenerate it. 3. The data need to be reconstructed and it's the latter that are relevant. But I'll play devil's advocate. Most high scale data operations do not use librarians and are extremely effective with smart data management and good analytical tools
- Deepak Singh
Sure thing. And they don't need the help. That still leaves a big bunch that do.
- D0r0th34
You aren't convincing me at all :). I've worked in enough places where data classification has not been a problem or something that comes in the way. Now good data management on the other hand is another problem. Now if you're telling me that they are one and the same I'd like to understand how and why
- Deepak Singh
It seems that in the end it should be the domain experts that finally deal with domain specific data - likely, utilizing and modifying generic tools/techniques. To what extent should a librarian become a domain expert?
- Rajarshi Guha
Not necessarily so, Rajarshi. To what extent did geneticists become bioinformaticians?
- Mr. Gunn
domain scientists, data scientists, computer scientists, and librarians < all living together happily... unfortunately, what we've got are domain scientists....... and librarians (of various flavors) who want to help
- Christina Pikas
Christina, I still don't understand what you want to help with especially with "live data"? Sounds too much like a solution looking for a problem. Happy to be proven wrong.
- Deepak Singh
Deepak, it sounds like you come from a very well-run lab environment. The stories I hear (some of which I have witnessed firsthand) are different: CD-ROMs stacked under people's desks, home basement servers, security-what-security, metadata-what-metadata, years of data left to transient grad students and postdocs to manage (documentation-what-documentation), zero sustainability plan past grant expiration or PI retirements... I could go on. This is an untidy state of affairs. Librarians abhor untidiness. :)
- D0r0th34
I haven't been in academic labs in a long time :). I see two aspects. One is the archival and cataloging side, which is the library challnge, but even more what you are describing is a data management problem, i.e. a software challenge, not necessarily a library challenge with one constant, data types and data handling are going to change all the time. Of course, there's a third one ... just good practices.
- Deepak Singh
All of the above, absolutely! The real challenge, though, is that decisions made early on in the process make a HUGE difference to the long-term preservability of the result. What falls out of that is that librarians can't sit passively by and wait for data to come to them; by that time, it's too late for a lot of it. So we're trying to figure out how to be useful earlier on. To do...
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- D0r0th34
Therein lies the problem. You can pretty much count on all your early decision to be wrong. Things are going to change and you can count on it. I completely get your point on the end state, but not on the data in process part. Libraries do not deal well with constant change and experimentation.
- Deepak Singh
Libraries may not, Deepak, but wouldn't someone who knows a bit about organization systems have some useful input? I know as well as you how variable data types and formats are, but scientists aren't born knowing good practices to manage data in a changing environment.
- Mr. Gunn
Perhaps. But I don't know any librarians who work in highly changing environments who are either, especially high throughput environments. We are not talking about repositories here. What you need are data scientists and engineers who are used to working in such environments. I am sure there is a lot of input librarians can play as data curators and custodians of the information and...
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- Deepak Singh
Agreed about primary analysis
- Mr. Gunn
I don't think the fact that things are changing obviates a value for curation and good data management process. Software changes but the management procedures for best practice are built around that assumption, you still keep versioning your code though. The problem is most data production environments (on the small scale I work on) is that people never think about cataloguing, metadata...
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- Cameron Neylon
Deepak, I think you're missing a fundamental shift in where librarians contribute within the process. If you think of librarians only dealing with organizing, keeping, preserving *complete* work, then yeah, I see your points. However, in many places - including MPOW - librarians have been asked to contribute in finding information prior to data gathering and to help design and implement collaboration tools to be used during the data gathering and analysis process. (pt 1)
- Christina Pikas
So librarians - because they know about how people deal with information - can be part of the process earlier so that the data is saved with useful/usable metadata so it can be transitioned to other systems when complete. But to help in the earlier stages you have to understand a bit about the "epistemic culture" of the research area AND of the organization AND of the lab.... in...
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- Christina Pikas
House of Carrington Argyle Sweater - Cashmere (For Men) - Save 53% - http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p...
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For the well-dressed LSW gentleman...
- D0r0th34
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That's. . . bright.
- laura x
Yup. Also it is argyle. And cashmere.
- D0r0th34
I'm all for the argyle and cashmere parts.
- laura x
*tries to keep a straight face* *fails*
- D0r0th34
"Clothing from the House of Carrington promises to possess the rarest of qualities — character — and this argyle sweater draws its character from the expressive coloring"
- Christina Pikas
Fwd: is the IRB optional for library-related research? - http://orgmonkey.net/?p=831 (via http://friendfeed.com/orgmonk...)
If it involves people, I would say that it isn't optional. If those people include anyone under the age of 18, it gets even more complicated. Even if it is a college/university library, the students could very well be under 18. I've taught 16 and 17 year old freshmen in the past. But yes, go through IRB, especially if you plan to publish it. I don't agree with what that researcher or that journal did.
- Katy S
We've asked this question at MPOW, and gotten the answer that "as long as it's purely internal info-gathering, no IRB approval necessary." (Frex, we didn't have to get IRB approval to survey our librarians about preservation practices.) If you wanna publish, though, better go through the IRB.
- D0r0th34
It's not optional. It might be exempt - but you still have to go through the process - I think the journal shouldn't have accepted it that way.
- Christina Pikas
I think it's always good practice to ask. When I did usability testing, we asked the IRB if that would require their approval - we had to write up what we were going to do. The IRB said "not necessary" so we didn't do anything further. I can't imagine *not asking* for approval, tho.
- Stephanie_Thankful
We did exactly what Dorothea did, and got exactly the same response. Not saying that what the author did, and the publisher accepted, was right, just adding another data point.
- Catherine Pellegrino
It seems this is one of those places where "asking forgiveness" is *not* better than "asking permission"
- Zen Master the Librarian
I agree with Aaron, and would add that I've found the process and policies vary too much from one institution to another to offer general advice on your question.
- Peter Murray
from BuddyFeed
Not optional if you're planning to share your results, if it's not just assessment for your program. I make first year college students go through IRB if they're doing human subjects research and presenting results to the class. Figure they might as well learn how right at the start.
- barbara fister
reading Publication of unethical research studies: the importance of informed consent : http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi...
- Marie is monkeying around
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