Ideas and steps you are or are planning to take to hear from your users (about whatever topic). For starters, your plan might be to ask your users what they want to tell you about.
- awd
Excellent ! Thanks. I tried something earlier but it wouldn't install - I think it wanted to put a dll someplace banned by work.
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
since i'd like to use eclipse, that looks good, too
- Christina Pikas
I asked my coworkers, since we use Git - one of our new guys recommended SmartGitHg 4 (for Win/Mac/Linux). Also recommended TortoiseGit (Win only).
- Laura H.
i think i asked this question before: I know there isn't a pre-made embeddable EngineeringVillage search form to use... it looks like the url doesn't have search term information in it... is there a way to create a form that initiates a search on engineeringvillage? the api for scopus is like you're going to display the info on your site
Right, that's it, I'm done with the exercises in this MOOC. There's no way I have time in the next eight weeks (which includes finals week, graduation, and THREE talks I haven't even started working on yet) to remember enough Python and learn enough about geocoding to get the homework done.
Left to my own devices I probably never would have cut his hair. But I don't think he would like barrettes, so it's probably just as well.
- laura x
from BuddyFeed
Dd needs her hair trimmed in the front but scared to do it. Barrettes seem like choking hazards?
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Oh, I suppose they probably are. Peter's dad had to chase him around the house with scissors. I should have filmed it.
- laura x
from BuddyFeed
The girls at daycare all have tiny ponytails.
- laura x
from BuddyFeed
My sister cuts her little guy's hair while he's asleep. Much less amusing.
- lris
How many babies have "we" had on FF? Let's see: The Toddler formerly known as babyx, MellyBaby, The Louis Gray Project(?), & Jandy's New Release spring immediately to mind. I know I likely missed some since my tenure here. And there were likely others before I got here. Feel free to chime in below.
Thanks #joe. It was MC and Scott's announcement that prompted the post. Twins, Jason? Belated congrats. And (if you don't mind me saying), good lord you must be sleepy.
- MoTO #TeamMonique
Unique visitors to Summon seems almost constant all the months, was highest in Mar 2013, but otherwise hovered at the same level for Jan/Feb/Apr within 4% margin . Comparatively Encore was jumping up and down depending on the month within almost 20% margin.. No sure what that means.
- aarontay
Innovative's "next generation catalogue", think normal "classic catalogue" but with facets and features like "did you mean", spell check, community tagging, relevance ranking etc. Typically does not include articles, though we have Encore synergy that does include some of it but as a secondary option.
- aarontay
Not sure what's happening there. Are these capturing 'hits' from Google Analytics or is this each product's individual stats collection service?
- copystar
Google analytics for both. Is not really comparable in terms of page views due to the fact that Encore includes item detail pages and Summon hands over to the classic catalogue, but that shouldn't affect unique visitors I would think. My theory is that the next generation catalogue swings so much because certain months users are doing assignments and go for databases for articles so...
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- aarontay
Hmm, I don't think I buy into that theory because almost all of our use stats (from gatecounts, to website hits, to shelving counts, to database and catalogue use) all follow patterns of high and low use. If anything, I would think that Summon (serving articles) would have more variation of use than Encore (serving books). I think you need another data source to suss this out
- copystar
I'll look at the native stats of summon, It could be some limitation in google analytics.. The last i checked in Jan and Feb they (Google analytics and summon stats) were remarkably similar though.
- aarontay
LibrarianOnTheLoose, I mostly feel the same way. But I have used it for larger research projects. I can't use it for something small, like a journal article sized thing, because basic linear outlining works for me for that.
- DJF
Neither mind-mapping nor Prezi works for me. I'm not visual enough or something. My husband loves Inspiration, but that's not free.
- Rebecca Hedreen
I've tried a few and still prefer pencil and paper. I think when I'm brainstorming I don't want to have to think about how to work the damn software.
- Deborah Fitchett
I've used bubbl.us with classes, and while not perfect, works well on desktop.
- kaijsa
For the record, I've found that some people get really excited and inspired when working with software as opposed to pen and paper (I've mostly given workshops with Cmap Tools). So if we're talking about helping other people to learn...multiple approaches are a good thing!
- Megan loves summer
if you have one of these, how did you choose it over the other? are there other contenders out there that haven't made themselves known to me yet?
- Marie
They are very different ("complementary" is the word people use when they have both). SciFinder indexes way more of the post-1967 literature (and does so much more broadly w/r/t subject and document type); Reaxys focuses on properties/reactions/methods back to 18-19th centuries and is geared toward synthesis workflows (it lets you build recipes!) Right now, each seems to be trying to catch up with the strengths of the other, it's very strange to watch. Main competitor is Web of Science.
- Meg V. Meg
that grid is pretty great, as are you. thank you!
- Marie
*sniff* that's the nicest response I've ever gotten to that explanation
- Meg V. Meg
Reaxys is indeed oriented to synthetic chemistry... kind of a bummer that it replaced Gmelin and doesn't seem to do so well with inorganic. It has been better for finding chemical properties for me. In that there's some competition from Springer Materials, CRC Handbook and SciFinder. Scifinder has more properties, but they're often calculated and not as curated.
- Christina Pikas
Springer materials is the old Landolt Bornstein with some other stuff mixed in. The L-B stuff is very high quality but its coverage is limited.
- Christina Pikas
Or, you can get all of the 2012 volumes for a little over $50,000!
- Joe Boone
from what i understand, the online subscription is about the same cost as reaxys per year... which is incredibly expensive. (less than scifinder? not sure, my lab is not allowed to be on university's scifinder) eta: i realized i did have a way to find order of magnitude springer materials is 60% the cost of reaxys. reaxys is less than 50% the cost of scifinder.
- Christina Pikas
The mason- Dixon kimonos never fit either child even though to gauge. The 5-hour sweaters fit for months because they are stretchy. Legwarmers worn twice. Hats were worn a lot. That's all I had a chance to knit before and have knit nothing since. :(
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Cancer, lay off. One of my dad's closest cousins just died. A good friend of my moms, she lived our house for a while. She was 65, recently retired, and had just finished years of taking care of her own mom. Too soon, too soon.
my first 3 months were the best sleep i ever had in my life... i could fall asleep immediately, anywhere, and sleep like a log... enjoy this time, take naps... :)
- Christina Pikas
Sleep now, baby. It will be a luxury soon. I thought Wife had narcolepsy when she was carrying Waif.
- MoTO #TeamMonique
Musings too random for a blog post, on starting to read the Dean Kamen interview in the 4/29 Fortune. 1. Kamen's portable dialysis machine has sold "more than 500 million worldwide." How is that possible? One portable dialysis machine for every 14 people, worldwide? (This is my "I'm ignorant, but..." remark.)
2. Kamen's take on the revolutionary Segway--the one we'd rebuild cities around? He won't admit failure, because somehow there are 100,000 of these. And he calls Segway "the best-known brand in a category called transportation." So take that, Boeing, Honda, Ford, Chrysler, Chevy, American Airlines, Toyota, and all you other lesser-known transportation brands!
- Walt Crawford
i believe $500M 'cause they're probably pretty expensive.
- Christina Pikas
That could be--but the intro to the article says "Baxter has sold more than 500 million of this product worldwide." Could be the interviewer or an editor just got it wrong.
- Walt Crawford
Re dialysis: how often do his machines break down? Planned obsolescence FTL.
- RepoRat
I would argue that they either missed a $, or that it is 500,000 not 500M. Maybe only off by a factor of a 1000.
- Joe Boone
Did a little looking. Actually, the Baxter machines aren't terribly expensive (in the $12K-$20K range, and available used for much less)--but there are also supplies and replacement filters. So, there may very well have been more than 500 million products sold. RR: In this case, I'd be surprised--dunno about Baxter, but that's one area where Kamen seems wholly reputable.
- Walt Crawford
too late, sorry! but there were a few questions that were like how much do i love the big evil publishers and do i love wiley more than the others....
- Christina Pikas
wow. that's... needy. somebody's PR arm is scaaaaaared.
- RepoRat
the funny thing is that I'm pretty pragmatic about the whole thing.. i use the hell out of elseveir's products... and i get a lot of benefit from them and when they make improvements... Wiley's platform is pretty crap and hasn't improved since changing over from interscience... but they seem to want to be seen as forward looking and innovative and communicative... NPG is, yes, them? no.
- Christina Pikas
(I'm surprised the survey would let me page all the way through without answering questions.) Also interesting that they toss in a couple of OA questions... A strange, strange survey.
- Walt Crawford
What's with the donation thingy at the start? Just donate the damn money. Don't make it conditional on people doing a survey, you cheap pricks.
- Andy
Interesting, like holly, they aren't my thing, but I thought they'd be a yay for many people. The 16 year old thought nay, but mostly because they "look like they're for old people."
- Katy S
The LIS students who put this together a year or two ago rock rock rock. Some of the info might be slightly out of date.
- Joe Boone
Some of our ebrary titles can be fully downloaded, some can't, and you can't tell which is which until you try to do it (which requires creating an account).
- Meg V. Meg
Surprisingly sciencedirect ebooks have no drm either. Chapter by chapter downloads as well. That often puzzles users too , why chapter by chapter.
- aarontay
I'll post an edited version of the preso when it's done. (You don't need the slides about how to login using our account info...)
- Zamms
I'm signed up but not sure I'll actually do it all
- kristin buxton
I saw algebra and quailed a little. Sad, I know.
- Yvonne
I can still do algebra if I have to. If it'd been CALCULUS, I'd have run like a rabbit.
- RepoRat
would love to... but I dropped out of the last mooc and it was only 5 hrs a week :( and I can do R but don't know python or sql :( Perfectly happy in Algebra and actually probably could remember calculus if needed... but that doesn't help... i would so love to take this course! eta: oh crap... i just signed my self up...
- Christina Pikas
I'm so glad to see i'm not the only mooc dropout around these parts. :) (but I joined the group anyway, because one of these days I'll succeed and just maybe a study group will help with that)
- ellbeecee
common behavior? Summon results list - clicking on the title takes you to the full text not a page with more detailed citation information... is this typical for discovery services? This is how our new article search is and I find it weird.
I think that's based on whether or not you have One-Click turned on. We don't, and I get a link resolver result page on articles with more than one access point.
- kaijsa
EDL doesn't do this (or if it does, it's turn-off-able)
- Meg V. Meg
We do have one click turned on for our Summon. We try to have it go to the most stable full-text sources, publisher first, then from a priority list of various vendors. We also have ArticleLinker set up on a top frame if the patron would like to see if the FT is available from other sources besides what was presented from the one-click.
- Joe Boone
What's EDL? Summon & other discovery services I think also has direct linking is independent of your link resolver settings. In our Summon instance, in some cases the link brings you to the landing pages like http://www.sciencedirect.com/science... , that's not directly the full-text, though in some cases it does bring you direct to full-text with pdf loaded though eg Oxford journals.
- aarontay
Funny you should ask. I thought it was the new "EBSCO Discovery Layer"? Though their web stuff makes it sound like it's called EDS? But we have a trial now, and I am 99% sure that I've never heard it called EDS, because I would have made a Ross Perot joke.
- Meg V. Meg
Definitely EDS. If you click the title, it brings you to a detailed record screen (usu. with abstract though not always), and there are links to either full text or link resolver that show on the results and/or detailed record screen, depending on how you set it up. (This is the same way that other EBSCO dbs work.) There's no option to make clicking the title go directly to the source. The one exception is their "Web News" database, which as far as I know is documented nowhere although it does exist.
- JffKrlsn
Always heard it called EDS. It's quite interesting when you consider the main selling point of services like pubget is that you can do a search and download the pdf directly from the search screen without even seeing the native interface. That's one step up even from Summon with one-click 360link turned on.
- aarontay
EDS (Summon, too, I thought) presents a "Full Text" button (or other specifically named option buttons to check for linked full text or ILL) right in the search results list by default. Click the Title for the record/metadata & click the Full Text (or other buttons) for the actual content.
- awd
our new default is to go from citation to full-text without stopping at link resolver page. I prefer it the other way, but I think my colleagues' research supports the one-click thing - so I defer to the users.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
I'm coming around to one-click. When we only have one full-text option, it goes straight to that from Summon, and it's nice. I think we're just worried about things breaking and not giving people options if there is more than one provider. We should probably stop worrying because things break all the time and we cope.
- kaijsa
scopus has a separate button to grab and download the pdfs of any selected articles in your results set. I can see why that's handy. I'm not terribly keen on the title linking as there is a full text button in the record anyway
- Christina Pikas
We hate the download button in Scopus, it's a bit confusing since it will download citation/abstract only if there is no full-text which confuses users. Plus we have this little thing about restricting downloads via ezproxy beyond a certain amt in a short time..... Plus the download manager uses java....sigh..
- aarontay
kaijsa, for 360link at least, you can do a helper window iframe, with links in the frame on what to do if the content below is broken. Disadvanatages are well it's a iframe, so some sites will not work well with it, and also for some browsers depending on cookie settings, there will be "cross-domain" issues with cookies or something particularly with ezproxy, there are ways around it..... http://laimages.s3.amazonaws.com/data...
- aarontay
By the way, if you are talking about "page with more detailed citation information." in Summon, you can see this by hovering over the title for a popup or clicking on the small magnifying icon which will popup the detailed record in Summon. It is very easily missed (think Summon 2.0 changes this?), most people just click on the result, which will then go to the link resolver, which is...
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- aarontay
Here is ours http://bb2sz3ek3z.search.seria... , think need lots of work on design/wordings.. One of the links leads to a online form for reporting broken links
- aarontay
I'm SPECIAL. Would it be pointless to not renew my membership to a professional LIBRARY organization because they sold my information to spammers? I'd kinda like to rejoin but the amount of spam and junk mail I get because this ASSOCIATION sold me out makes me angry. Would it make any difference if I told them I'm out because of this?
What makes it worse is they screwed up my details and I'm out there as CIO or CTO or something really important where I work but I'm really just a librarian, so all the spam and mail are not at all library related.
- Blake
well, you know that "special" is just code for "corporate". And those corp-ists would sell their mother's contact info.
- DJF
It might, if word reached the right people (ie, the governing board) they should have some kind of opt in or out for that sort of thing anyway.
- ~Courtney F
definitely tell them. all of that is something they have the power to fix. now, you don't know if they will fix it, depends on how much they made selling your info. they need to decide which is more important to them - making money or their members.
- Christa
it might also be illegal for them to do so under the american anti-spam rules.
- DJF
a few years ago they sent malware so the official directory listing for me is at hotmail although i'm on all the lists at mpow's e-mail
- Christina Pikas
A thought just occurred to me, I don't know for sure they *sold* me out, I do know for sure that I traced it back to them, so maybe they were hacked and didn't know it and so I shouldn't be angry about being sold out. There must be a policy someplace on their website or something I guess.
- Blake
There is something on their membership management page, which should be overhauled in the next few months.
- kendrak
I did not name any names here this could be any association. ANY ONE.
- Blake
Well ONE ASSOCIATION I KNOW LOTS ABOUT is upgrading their membership software RIGHT NOW.
- kendrak
Can't be SLA, because that is the Special Libraries (plural) Association.
- Joe Boone
This is why I like having a name that's easily misspelled. Makes it easy to know who to berate.
- Zamms
Someone in the early 80's told me that she always used different middle initials whenever she signed up for stuff, so she'd know who had sold her name.
- Betsy #TeamMonique
I tried the username+sekritword@gmail.com hack for a while, but some places wouldn't let you include the + sign and then I forgot which websites I'd done it with and which not.
- Deborah Fitchett
HBR and EBSCO shenanigans... "As of August 2013, some changes will be made to Harvard Business Review (HBR) article access for Business Source customers. This change will not affect institutions that have already purchased the expanded rights from Harvard Business Publishing."
Full text of email: "As of August 2013, some changes will be made to Harvard Business Review (HBR) article access for Business Source customers. This change will not affect institutions that have already purchased the expanded rights from Harvard Business Publishing. Further, customers buying a site license will not be impacted. As you are likely aware, full-text licensing agreements with publishers are subject to change in all databases, and EBSCO is committed to providing our customers with as much advance notice as possible on full-text content changes as often as we possibly can. With that said, we would like to inform you that as of August 1, 2013, all databases containing HBR will experience a change for 500 of the articles. These articles will become read-only, and will be clearly marked as such. For example, in Business Source Complete, there are currently 12,824 full-text articles from HBR, and 12,324 will continue to have the existing access functionality. If libraries wish...
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- awd
so, are they telling us which 500 articles?
- ellbeecee
I love how they thank me for my understanding when I'm totally confused. Which 500 articles? "Read-only"? "Course rights?"
- Rebecca Hedreen
Yeah. (our internal person just forwarded this to me as well). The "fuck you, HBR" part of me is assuming those 500 are articles they're republishing somehow (like this - http://www.amazon.com/HBRs-Mu... ) and this is a DANGER WILL ROBINSON thing.
- ellbeecee
what Rebecca said. what the heck does this mean??
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
from YouFeed
(or will the 500 articles be a moving target based on what's popular at the time? Will they be the 500 most recent? This isn't telling us *anything* other than "there's changes a-comin'!") #grumpylaura
- ellbeecee
I'm thinking their 500 most popular articles.
- Joe Boone
Yeah, I was surprised to read that my access to EBSCO content was something other than read-only! I think this has to do with direct linking to articles.
- JffKrlsn
from Android
how will this work technically? no links to the direct url? couldn't you reverse engineer a link?
- Christina Pikas
They DO NOT LIKE faculty using their stuffs for electronic reserves. I'm sure they know the most popular articles and they will use magick to prevent us from linking to them without many extra dollars.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
I'm assuming they mean: no linking, no downloading, no printing (and, by means of blocking those 3 things, no course reserves. unless you pay their special fees.).
- Marianne
So, we will have to scan from the print to put into reserves? Can hbr stop that? Is there language in the print version that says what can and can't be fair use for reserve readings?
- Joe Boone
Yeah, if you own the print, that would be completely different. There aren't any licensing terms when you own something--just copyright law. (You really think they'll ban printing? Don't think I've seen that in EBSCO before.)
- JffKrlsn
What Rebecca, Rudi said, "Read only" ???
- aarontay
Instead of a direct permalink, I guess we're to create a search which brings back only the one true result (like we are supposed to do now) ... and enforcement is unrealistic at best. Anyway, they're gonzo imho.
- awd
I read that in a meeting and went "what the hell?" I don't understand how this is enforceable at all.
- ~Courtney F
I love this sentence so much: "As you are likely aware, full-text licensing agreements with publishers are subject to change in all databases, and EBSCO is committed to providing our customers with as much advance notice as possible on full-text content changes as often as we possibly can."
- Meg V. Meg
At a faculty meeting, got asked about ereserves for HBR articles..... immediately thought of this.... Told him will get back to him on this issue after checking with business librarians...
- aarontay
Ereserves for HBR would require special permissions from HBR directly. I'm still waiting for the quote on access to the articles. It is a static list, though
- ~Courtney F
the list of articles is static, courtney? Interesting. That would make me really suspect it's tied to their repackaging articles as books initiatives of late
- ellbeecee
So what's the bottom line here? What's changed exactly? Any further explanation from EBSCOhost about what we can now no longer do on this already restricted journal?
- Stephen le Francoeur
When I read the email a while back, I got the impression the list is of the articles most linked to and downloaded. I wish we'd drop our subscription because the terms of license make the materials next to worthless at a university. DO NOT USE THIS STUFF TO TEACH WITH. Okay, jerks.
- kaijsa
Even if "ereserves" is just a link to ebsco platform from courseware? That's not allowed? I was told the 500 includes popular stuff such as on leadership...
- aarontay
Aaron, the way I read the restriction, yes. Even that would not be allowed.
- ~Courtney F
They have always been weird about links in syllabi and course systems for years. Whether or not it's okay to recommend an HBR article to a student in a hushed whisper is still unclear.
- barbara fister
Yup, LBC, I confirmed twice that it's a static list (I was kind of surprised). Stephen, according to the quote I got, the "extended rights" would "include the ability to print, save to a folder and include PDF’s of these articles in course work". I'm not sure who they think will be able to afford this, because I can assure you, the quote I received is well out of our reach.
- ~Courtney F
sigh. Apparently our Acq dep't read the EBSCO letter, verified that we don't have the extended rights, and left it at that. Why does it take ME to push them towards finding out what the language means, and which titles are effected, and that we need to know which of the titles are heavily used here and which spend much time on course reserves???Those are pretty obvious questions right? I'm not some kind of savant, right?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudy, the ebsco license for HBR already disallowed reserves, IIRC, and I know they monitored for linking to articles from within a CMS because the business school at a former workplace got hit by that.
- ellbeecee
Right now I can save a personal copy, I can print a personal copy, I can email myself a personal copy of all the HBR articles. Come August, 500 of these (apparently a static list) will be unavailable for saving/printing/whatever that personal copy - I can still read the article on screen. At least that's how I'm interpreting the letter.
- ellbeecee
That is a correct interpretation of the letter. No download, no print, not even saving the article to a folder.
- Zamms
On an unrelated note (ahem) that is totally disconnected from the content of the rest of this thread (ahem), I think libraries really need to make sure that students and faculty have mastered screen capture software, as it's essential for all sorts of scholarly work.
- Stephen le Francoeur
the Bible is the most frequently stolen book out of libraries... you'd think people would return it when they got to the "thou shall not..." part
- Christina Pikas
Last night at Trivia we had Library Week as the theme round. I thought of all the FF librarians and wondered how they would have done. I'll post the 10 questions here. Give it a try:
My dad died yesterday. He had terminal cancer, but his death was sudden: he had a major stroke on Saturday. I'm my father's daughter in so many ways, and I will miss him terribly.
oh Heather, much love to you. do let us know if we can do anything - even if that is just bad knock-knock jokes to take your mind off things.
- jambina
I'm really sorry to hear that. Thinking of you and your family.
- Stephen le Francoeur
I'm sorry for your loss Heather. Let your memories of happier times together help you and your family through the sadness, and sustain you as the passage of time helps mend your heart.
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
I'm sorry for your family's and the worlds loss. Take care of yourself and those around you as best as you can and let others help take care of you.
- SteVe C
I'm so sorry, Heather. I echo Jenica's thoughts from another fatherless daughter. I miss mine every day, and it's been almost 20 years. *hugs*
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
My condolences, Heather. My thoughts are with you and your family.
- Bill Hooker
I'm so sorry, Heather. He must have been so proud of you! Thinking of you and yours.
- Meg V. Meg
My condolences. It's an awful passage watching your parents die.
- Heather
I am so sorry. My thoughts are with you and yours.
- Amandadon't
from Android
Very sorry for your loss! I am like you in that I am so much my father's daughter. I don't know how or what I'll do when mine passes which I know is inevitable. Take care.
- Paulette
thanks so much for all of these kind thoughts. they mean more than you know. hugs to those who have been or are in a similar spot, and thank you for sharing that with me, it helps. We had a lovely service on Saturday... he would have cried the whole time :) Here's his obituary: http://bit.ly/YKEBb7 Thanks again, everybody, for caring.
- Heather Piwowar
We'll be looking as discovery layers here over the next little while. Experiences people have had at their own institutions or articles/resources/reviews of the various vendor products would be appreciated.
we did this: http://journal.code4lib.org/article... (well i helped test i sure didn't do any coding or any writing of the article or whatever)... it's amazing that there was really so little difference between them. That said, what we really miss in our current instantiation is the faceting which we can't get from what we're using right now.
- Christina Pikas
Very interesting, thanks. Odd how the way the article is formatted it's really hard to tell who the author is. You have to look down for the About the Author section.
- John Dupuis
We have been happy with Encore/Summon as the two types of discovery services, but I don't think we have published why we are happy. Also, we are paying $$$ for them, so they better be good. If you have questions, I would bet that cbrown at du dot edu might be able to talk to you more (or send to you documentation on how our decisions came to be) if you have questions.
- Joe Boone
Think I tweeted you this list that I am "Curating" https://sites.google.com/site... , a bit messy though. We are also using Encore (since 2008) and Summon (since this year).
- aarontay
Thanks, Aaron. Yes you did tweet it. It's a great list which I'm sure will be very helpful.
- John Dupuis
L. Quilter has been v. awesome in my books since at least 1997. <3.
- Marianne
I said something mean about Thatcher then deleted it. Instead I'll say--is he ever useful, or is he just a full-time troll?
- Steele Lawman
I've known her online since 1995 or so, previous life and all that. Was just plain shocked to cross paths with her in library land! She's fantastic. (also: super thrilled to have no idea who ST is. do I need to?)
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
He said something nice about DPLA on Secret Agent Fister's latest IHE column. I was surprised. Unless it wasn't actually him!
- RepoRat
I find Thatcher confusing--I don't think he's a full-time troll, but I'm mostly not sure what he is or believes. One of the few people who talk about OA who I really can't pin down. (Almost like I used to be, perhaps?)
- Walt Crawford
On this particular list he has to comment multiple times on every single thread regardless of the relevance on his running the penn state press (and retiring some time ago). I'm sure he makes some good points but geez.
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Random and won't necessarily lead to anything question: IF (and it's a big if) I was taking a self-directed tech learning course, and I had 2 out of 3 components figured, and wanted to pick, as my third, ONE programming or scripting language to attempt to become very basically competent at, which one would you recommend and why?*
*Given that I am likely to become a librarian of some sort in a year or two; given that I am really not intending to become a systems librarian; given that my background is in circulation; given that I think digitization and circulation are allied fields; given my science training; given my not having DONE science in a decade; given my not having programmed anything except one game in the last fifteen years (though I was pretty skilled for a non-programmer before that)...**
- Marianne
** feel free to ignore the above comment and just answer based on your own skills/experience/interest - any data is better than no data :)
- Marianne
You have several good choices. R is excellent for number-crunching and data visualization of many sorts; it would help you either as a science librarian or in acq/circ if that's where you stay. Python is a general-purpose language often seen in scientific computing; it's also a Swiss army knife that can chop metadata, dice websites, and julienne repetitive tasks. Ruby and PHP are in broad use on the web, as is Javascript (though I don't rec Jscript as your first language because it's kind of grotty).
- RepoRat
Heh, RR. I am grinning at you because that was exactly the short list I was hoping people would help me pick from (though I welcome other suggestions too) - do you prefer one of those over the others, or think I would? Steve, thank you.
- Marianne
Well, I'm an ancient unreconstructed Pythonista, so I'm a leetle biased. I still like Python, and it's still my get-shit-done tool of choice. If you can *possibly* pull off both Python and R, I think that would be ideal.
- RepoRat
R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R R or Python
- Meg V. Meg
<threadjack>I think I may have mentioned on FF somewhere that here at YorkU the required CS course that my son is taking as a physics 1st year teaches Fortran. Yes, Fortran. The good news is that his cohort is actually the last one to learn Fortran. Starting this summer, the course is switching to Matlab, which makes a lot more sense for physics in this day and age, though I'm sure many would also argue for Python. </threadjack>
- John Dupuis
My understanding is that once one feels competent in one language, it's easier to learn the next one. So is there any benefit in starting with R or with Python (or something else) because it's a better "gateway" language?
- Steele Lawman
Python is relatively close to very structured English, which could be an argument to starting with it. I'm struggling through it right now via a HeadFirst "Learn to Program" book which uses Python and A Byte of Python (free book)
- Hedgehog
I learned Python first, and I found that a lot of its nitpickiness helped me with XML especially.
- Lily
Answering Ethel's question: Python has a long-standing reputation as a good gateway language because of its relatively uncluttered syntax, clean design, and broad application domain. R is a domain-specific language, which means that moving on from it to other languages will involve a somewhat greater learning curve... but the jobs it DOES do, it will usually do better and/or more simply than Python. (Though I hear NumPy is pretty awesome. I've never worked with it.)
- RepoRat
(thank you SO much, everyone. I would like this thread myself if I could.)
- Marianne
you can limp along in R without actually knowing how to program by following recipes from books and by using various gui packages and/or r-studio.... i'm so old i learned pascal in college but that gets me exactly no where. I'd like to learn Python and I'd like to force myself to do more regex searching... but this isn't about me :)
- Christina Pikas
Thanks for your comments on this, everyone. I'mma be taking the self-directed tech course (with tech folks for classmates!) in the fall. Very excited about it.
- Marianne
tell me more about this course and how it works?
- RepoRat
RR, the syllabus from last fall is here: http://my.ischool.syr.edu/Uploads... . Obviously it tends to be focused more toward other branches of the iSchool, but our program director made a point of publicizing it to us as an allowable elective. Like most self-directed electives, there's a...
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- Marianne