Yeah, they're free to make their own decisions. Lego minifigs find it harder and harder to make it in today's fickle society, but the one place they can always be guaranteed an income is in porn. or something :-D
- Slappy Line
"Undeterred, Disney expects the Muppets to expand their fan base beyond nostalgic older generations to the age group between 6 and 12 that has powered “Hannah Montana” and “High School Musical” into international blockbusters. But how do you make 50-year-old puppets, even those as beloved to many people as these, relevant in a “Wall-E” world?"
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Why are the "FriendFeed recommended" still the same old pile of social media A-listers who largely aren't active on FriendFeed? It seems like FF compiles a huge load of data that could be used to serve up a tastier mix of folks than this...
I agree. This page is not very useful.
- Robert Scoble
Not so much A-listers as FF import-only-ers. I am a bit annoyed that they import only and never reply to comments. What is an A-list anyway? Show me a link to an A-list and the qualifications that got them there.
- Josh Haley
It seemed appropriate in the "early days" of FF - when this list of folks vouched for the early adopter cred of the service, but now with the tons of user data that must be available this list is almost meaningless - best to just hide the recommended link til it IS useful. For instance - I dig Mashable, but the FF profile has only left 5 comments TOTAL, and the feed is just an RSS ghost feed - yet is recommended.
- Steve Isaacs
why don't the recommended people change based on my current friend list?
- Jonathan Jesse
Josh - The "A-List" is an actual definition - people who are writers for popular tech sites/blogs, weblebrities etc. I have nothing against them at all, but it's clear that the "recommended" is not generated by an engine searching for similarities or even activity on the site, but serving just as a roll call of people you MIGHT have heard of who have FF profiles.
- Steve Isaacs
You know I compared yours to mine, and I get a totally different range.. a few A-List crossovers, but not like yours. http://www.flickr.com/photos... I think yours is a symptom of your popularity & fame and who you are linked to, and how many crossovers your friends have with A-Listeres... I think it's a valid question though, that there should be a weight for "activity ON FF" instead of just RSS feeds into FF
- anna sauce
It's probably derived from the number of subscriptions.
- Vincent van Wylick
mine are different now - much more diverse, still folks i won't be subscribing to though - that is the point after all ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
do i need to write about this again? :) c'mon go read my posts about this on CN - it's a joke - in fact, people like Mona are supporting that lists ability to drive traffic to themselves - I could go on... here's my last post on this topic "ff doesn't care about mona" - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf... oh and it gets better - go look at how many of them actually participate - nearly zero.
- Allen Stern
Allen: that list doesn't drive much traffic at all. Only a hundred per week at this point
- Robert Scoble
The important thing to note is Rahsheen's face dominating the "Most Liked Videos" sidebar on FFholic.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
and actually I don't know who comes from that list but in past month FF growth has been very slow.
- Robert Scoble
I don't know about in beta, but in FF "classic" that list changes depending on who you are subscribed to. I used it a bit in the beginning but I don't look at it now.
- Laura Norvig
"only a hundred per week" - Robert, please stop now. 100 x 52 weeks (i give you the benefit of 100) = 5,200 you could hit with your "paid advertisements" like you did last week :)
- Allen Stern
Allen - I had already seen your video on this - totally agree with it - I just thought with the launch of the two betas since that things might have changed.
- Steve Isaacs
Allen: that number includes subscribers from all sources, not just that page. Also, out of 33 people who showed up today only two didn't tell me a Twitter address. So, FriendFeed didn't pull enough to care much about from a monetization angle.
- Robert Scoble
If I were FF I would show popular friends of friends and weight it in favor of truly active FF users, to highlight the functionality of the site. Then over time would add commonality of likes and comments to really get some solid recommendations.
- Steve Isaacs
agreed steve - that would be a much better system and help folks new to ff get exposed to true foaf power users vs "popular" subjective picks - only so much the algorithm can handle right now i suppose and for the most part i'm still pretty jazzed w/ the changes being implemented so far
- mike "glemak" dunn
shows the abuse the term "recommended" has become- static lists, et al.
- anna sauce
The list does change per person, for instance, Mona is on my list. Not sure of the algorithm, but it should be based on popular/active FoaFers like Steven suggested.
- xero
It *is* based on popular FoaFers. It recommends people that are popular among your friends based on subscriptions and that you currently don't subscribe to. A-listers keep showing up in your list precisely because they are a-listers: they are popular among your friends. Rather than coming up with a convoluted recommendation system that basically is "no a listers," maybe a more elegant...
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- Mark Trapp
So my fix then would be to weight it in favor of being active on FF: making FF-native posts, comments, and likes and filter it based on that.
- Steve Isaacs
I've found more interesting people via the FF compatibility thing that went around a couple of weeks ago than via the recommended friends.
- Tai
Nice! Much less mouse movement to get to the important stuf!
- LogEx
Not a fan of the smaller width. 15 characters doesn't let things be descriptive, and the chopping off of letters for anything longer makes certain labels unreadable.
- Mark Trapp
How did you find time to blog about something that JUST happened?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Mark: yah, that has been the source of much discussion here. The horizontal real estate vs. more text issue is tough. Let us know how you feel after using it for a bit.
- Bret Taylor
Good update, the left side is more natural for navigation
- Steven Cains
Don't like it at all. Don't like the left-handed navigation and I don't like the return of underlines beneath user names (although I can easily get used to that).
- Akiva Moskovitz
but still no links to My Comments/Likes, or count :(
- Tim Hoeck
Ahhhh! Just when I got used to the right side..
- Shawn Farner
Hey thanks I just notice this ... coool!!
- Susan Beebe
@Bret - can you text wrap in the left panel?
- Hutch Carpenter
i've gotta agree with Akiva, not too keen on it am afraid. Back in 15 to explain why.
- Zee.
Shawn: sorry about the change. That was also a source of much debate, and we really appreciate the fact you took the time to try out (and get used to the Beta interface). The navigation on the right was causing enough people headaches, we are confident moving to the left is the right decision, but please let us know how you feel after using it for a bit.
- Bret Taylor
I don't mind it on the left, but it's too small, most of the room names are cut off. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
I like it Bret... KEEEP.. (word wrap on groups, etc)
- Susan Beebe
Bret: I wonder how much help the room icons are at this size. If you removed them, that'd give more space for room labels. Not to be a naysayer though: I love everything else about the switch. Left is a change, but it's for the best. Love the icons!
- Mark Trapp
Its odd with the bar on the left after I've been used to it being on the left. But, unlike the Facebook beta this is actually good.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Whoa. This just happened like a few minutes ago. Nice. It's just the same thing but on the left, right? Yeah. Cool :)
- Dustin
@Mark: good point. The icons were easily recognizable in our testing, but perhaps the tradeoff is not worth it given these space constraints. We will iterate on the room name truncation issue - if these first few minutes are any indication, that is the main issue we need to address before full deployment.
- Bret Taylor
I second the "navigation bar is now too small". Definitely improvement on this is needed.
- Cesar Cardoso
Bret, cool. Appreciate you looking at it again! Like I said, everything else is looking great.
- Mark Trapp
I like a couple of things in the new beta: 1/ the Post interation; 2/ the links becoming more visible. Changing the navigation from right to left side is something that people will probably get used to. Anyway, I do think that you must do something about the listed Rooms whose names are not fitting in.
- Alex Popescu
Bret: I love the beta and like the changes to the sidebar EXCEPT for which side it's on. Would love to have a preference.
- Steve Ivy
Daniel J. Pritchett, noted. I guess sometimes you just don't know who your talking to.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
As Tim Hoeck asked, where are My Comments/Likes for the week/all-time?
- Mark Wilson
I would love to have a hide on that navigation sidebar if it stays on the left. Like the 'u' shortut for full-screen in Google Reader. It also feels a bit cluttered in the top left... maybe just because i'm not used to it yet.
- nadim
Posted this in another thread, but figured I'd put it here as well: the one thing I really like, although it seems like it's too aggressive right now, is the segregation of "inactive rooms:" I guess once rooms become more and more popular, not having any posts in a day would make sense to qualify as inactive, but I consider some rooms on the list active, even if nobody posted in them today. But the concept is great.
- Mark Trapp
Well, apart from freaking me out when I clicked refresh, I think it's going to take some getting used to having the nav bar on the left. Not a massive problem, though. Can I just add another vote for wrapping the room names. Having it cut off like that does NOT work.
- Brad Brooks
I like the nav bar on the left, and I like the new post and search parts. I do miss the tabbiness of the navbar though. I think it would be nice to still have some of sort of background change indicating what part of the site you are on - me, groups, etc. Keep up the good work!
- Robert Felty
Just noticed when you subscribe to someone now, it asks which list you want their feed in. ++
- Steven Cains
I think the content on a person's page is too narrow. With the navbar at the left, the user's info box at the right, there is plenty of room left in the middle for the main content, but it uses little more then half of it.
- Peter
Actually, I really like this navbar on the left an a person's info box on the right, directly at the top of the page. With the older beta, it was stuck below the navbar items, and that was very distracting, being on someone else's page, and having my own things listed at the top. Now if Hao Chen does another rewrite on the user profile script, moving it to the right too, I'd be perfectly happy with this design (for now).
- Peter
Prefer it on the right - Reading the stream is my primary objective and having the menu/filter etc on the left takes my focus away from this as I have to learn to skip over it.
- Andy Davies
Peter: are you using Firefox 2 by any chance? We may have a rendering bug on profile pages that makes it narrow in FF 2. We are fixing now, but that may be the issue.
- Bret Taylor
i like the new layout, but I think people are reacting to a couple visual things: 1. the vertical divider line/shadow is very strong, so you see it instead of the right pane. 2. the logo overlap treatment pulls the panes together a lot, making readability in the top left area hard. can you make it less dominant?
- Michael Herf
totally agrees with Andy Davies : the ergonomy of reading is more important priority than the ergonomy of click. The navbar should be on the right side (no visual pollution on the area used for reading)
- Oaksun
it is better to let user control which side it is
- terababy
I also prefer the sidebar on the right. Giving the option to change it would be good. And now you can't expand the Rooms list without going directly to the all rooms view. mmm...
- Alejandro
The gray dotted underline for user names looks a little too subtle on this laptop, but I think it's an interesting idea. Perhaps a little bit more contrast, though it depends on the screen settings I guess. It might also be helpful to have the same kind of link style for other links which are currently still unlinked, like the blog reference in a "posted at ..." message.
- Philipp Lenssen
Loving the direction of the beta so far. I think the menus on the left is a lot more intuitive but currently could use to be a little wider. One idea for saving space might be utilizing the slide out/slide in functionality that is now available in google maps. That way it can be out of the way for those just browsing page by page etc.
- Tsega Dinka
(narrow content) Bret, yes I'm using FF 2. I see it is fixed now. Thanks.
- Peter
hilarious, TC linked to the Chrome auction, then copied the idea without once mentioning me. Here's hoping they pick a decent charity that isn' related to Peter Theil :-)
Duncan, I was surprised too, but there's no indication on the auction that it's anything to do with you. Do you think it's possible Arrington doesn't know ?
- Michael C. Harris
Michael, they link to the auction. The screenshot on TC is of the auction. The shipping policy spoken about is of the auction. Melbourne Australia is clear on the screen shot they used, and if you look closely enough you'll see my name and address on the envelope under the book in the auction picture. Do I think he doesn't know. Not a flying f*&king chance in a zillion years.
- Duncan Riley
but having said that, all for a good cause, the charities are the winners
- Duncan Riley
Charlie, absolutely, and I'll be thanking him in the post once the auction has finished
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, the only bit I didn't notice was your name on the envelope, but yes, you're right, it's not a big leap to connect the dots to you. Weird (and petty) that he wouldn't link to you, and good to see you rise above it with your comment about the charities winning.
- Michael C. Harris
and Michael, that's why I'm going to link to his post once the auction is over (I'll do a auction finished post). Even if the petty crap gets in the way along the way, it's the end result that is important
- Duncan Riley
Michael, I saw that, and it's complete and utter bollocks. I don't keep a list of the stuff they copy without credit, but suffice to say, it's not the first time... There's also a group vote down of posts from an IP address in Atherton...but that's another story ;-)
- Duncan Riley
Duncan, in spite of the crap I see all the time, I'm still surprised when people are arseholes.
- Michael C. Harris
the nosy part of me is really intrigued as to what went down with you & Arrington. Why the fall apart in the relationship, why did he remove the awesome post he wrote about you when you left. Is this public news & i've missed it or all private?
- Zee.
Zee, you can work it out from the public record. Time to do some sleuthing :)
- Michael C. Harris
Zee, I didn't know he'd removed the post. Thx for letting me know. I've said it publicly already, things were ok for about a month, then I signed a deal with Tradevibes which Arrington told me was treachery and that he'd never link to me again among other things. It honestly came out of the blue. Seriously though, I don't take well to threats and bullying, and hence it came to be that I am now the Techcrunch anti-christ :-p
- Duncan Riley
I think I'm going to boycott techcrunch if that's how Arrington plays.
- Colide81 (James)
Colide81 if only that was the worst of it.... I don't believe in success at any cost, but it's a thought I've only been free to express post my employment there.
- Duncan Riley
I had no idea you didn't know. I thought he might have made a public point out of it (removing the post). By the sounds of it though, he doesn't really have any personal relationships and everything is work. I'm genuinely taken aback by his actions & if there were threats involved...on whatever level, people should know imo. It's also crazy that he doesn't enjoy the idea of competition...i've got friends in similar businesses as mine & whilst we compete head on..we still maintain friendships outside of it.
- Zee.
It's pretty bloody pathetic. Yep, pathetic is the word I was looking for all along.
- Zee.
Zee, I know. And instead, like with TC50, of letting the positives be the selling point, there's this obsession that to succeed means destroying the enemy at all cost. There are positives: Arrington is the hardest working guy I've ever seen, and no amount of dislike today changes that. TechCrunch has its position due to his hard work. I learnt alot at TC, like how to push page views, how to say shit I didn't believe for the next page view, and how wrong it is to hate on others by hating on others
- Duncan Riley
I learnt that I'm proud to believe in equality and treating people with respect, by seeing how other people don't. I learnt (not learned I'd note, which I was called up a couple of times on...it's learnt!!!) that the next dollar should never be the most important thing in your life
- Duncan Riley
Good lessons and ones we all need to relearn from time to time. Thanks Duncan.
- Robert Scoble
it does sound like he's willing to sell his soul & friendships for the sake of the site...I'm wondering whether things would be different if he was married, kids & better looking.
- Zee.
ok, that last one was a little out of order... :)
- Zee.
One thing I'd say is that Arrington is the best strategist in the tech blogosphere too. Some of his heat and fury is brilliant strategy, even though it pisses off lots. Like how he dealt with PR firms and taught them if they don't talk with him first he won't cover their stuff. I know lots of PR firms mutter "asshole" under their breaths but then make sure that Arrington is in first group to go out. Many times recently I've had to hold stories so that Arrington can go out with their news in the first group.
- Robert Scoble
yeah no doubt Scoble - absolutely no knocking his business acumen but i would most definitely not want to be in his shoes/mind put it that way. It must take it's toll.
- Zee.
Zee: it's not what I want to do either. I just don't care about making a buck that much. I'd rather have a great conversation every day.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble I have to give you props you aren't a prick like Arrington seems to be. FTW Scoble!
- Colide81 (James)
Colide81: oh, I have my days. We all do. Living life with all eyes on every part of it isn't always easy and none of us is perfect.
- Robert Scoble
yeah but you had people saying you suck and still you put up with it.
- Colide81 (James)
Heh, if you do anything interesting you'll have people saying you suck. Even the best ballplayer gets boos and jeers.
- Robert Scoble
I agree we do all have our days but you are in the tech industry so like if I have a bad day and get angry no one will notice but you do I think people would notice more because you are more of a Internet celebrity.
- Colide81 (James)
well my point just is you handle things better then others.
- Colide81 (James)
Had to stop reading thread. Halfway through I had spit my coffee on my keyboard three times. Michael Harris, trust me... I don't think there is a thing Duncan does at this point that Arrington isn't watching. I'm just jealous Duncan got the comic. And Spore. The hate... it grows. :D
- Cyndy
I should change my display name to michaeltwofish. It makes me feel like I'm being told off when people use my full name :)
- Michael C. Harris
I just find it so absolutely bizarre that someone who is obviously so ... at least energetic ... would choose to spend their energy watching someone else. Get over it. FFS.
- Michael C. Harris
It does look nice. A "photo view" was one of the things we always wanted to add to Gmail, but of course didn't :(. Email clients are a tough business though. I predict that there will never be another successful desktop client (other than future versions of Outlook of course).
- Paul Buchheit
I guess it looks alright, but I'm wondering...where is the real innovation here? Looks a lot like a Xobni/Gmail mashup with a couple of other sparkly bits tossed in. Am I missing something?
- abacab
It says the best way to learn more about Postbox is to try it out - but it doesn't give any option for doing so! Where's the download link?
- Justin Long
Oh, duh, I see... it's not been released yet. But if that's the case, why does it suggest we need to try it out? :)
- Justin Long
@Paul - how do you define successful? I got my parents to use Thunderbird, which I see as a success. Personally I use Kmail on Linux, and Apple's Mail. Kmail is my favorite of the two, because it is highly configurable.
- Robert Felty
Rob, by successful I meant large numbers (millions) of people using them. There will continue to be a large number of niche clients, and some people will keep using elm even though mutt is completely superior, but none of them will get large userbases.
- Paul Buchheit
paul - as someone mentioned, xoopit does a v cool image view (and much more) on top of Gmail. My company includes an image view (attachment explorer) as part of our ClearContext Personal product for Outlook users.
- Deva Hazarika
i'm not sure if there will or won't be another successful desktop client, but if there is, it will come from getting traction on some other axis first, and then leveraging that success into an email client. hybrid clients like zimbra and online clients like zenbe show a hint at the future.
- Deva Hazarika
Deva, you may be on to something. It worked for Gnus. I still read some of my mail in Gnus.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
I won't lie, I'm struggling to find any standouts. Webware reckons its the chart people...which says something
- Duncan Riley
scary that in the know people like Dave Winer are trying to sort through the noise like this. Glad I didn't get too worked up about getting into 1 of these shows!
- Elliott Ng
Tonchidot (SekaiCamera) just may be location based services done right ... Did anyone hear when it may be released to iPhone app store?
- David HC Soul
There was absolutely no communication from either conference. In contrast, I get bulletins from the Democrats on virtually an hourly basis. It seems if these organizers want to sell themselves as promoting startups, they could be a lot more organized about it. Personally I think its time to wipe the slate clean on this approach to product rollout and completely rethink it.
- Dave Winer
Interestig to see how adding DOM operations evens out John's benchmarks (first has DOM ops and Safari beats Chrome, second is Google's apparently slightly biased benchmark, which relies heavily on recursion).
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
It is time to optimize for DOM. Faster JavaScript is fantastic..... great for games and crypto.... but what about the real world? NOTE: Ray Cromwell's Chronoscope benchmark http://timepedia.blogspot.com/2008...
- Dion Almaer
These tests are very insightful. I was initially very excited about Chrome being 10 times faster on javascript. As usual with any such claims (not just from Google), they are skewed. However, I do think that Chrome entering the market will cause all browsers to get better more rapidly. Competition does drive innovation.
- Robert Felty
Thanks for sharing this detailed knowledge. Very useful.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
we're working on DOM work now. believe that the tracing technique has applications; working on getting the DOM acting faster soon.
- John Lilly
granted all beta-quality of Chrome and zero-day securiity bug, i think their current *speed* shows only lack of exception handling. Once it matures, it will be same or evenn worse than FF - it is tough to beat long-standing code without rounding corners on usual code glue...
- A.T.
I've been watching the page get continually updated throughout the morning. When the name was first leaked, there was not a whole lot of info there. Now, the article is about three times as long as it was this morning.
- Nathaniel Payne
Agree, it is amazing how the article has been growing....
- Bindu Reddy
"She and her father would sometimes wake at 3 a.m. to hunt moose before school"
- j1m
this should make Karl Rovites happy: "The fired police chief eventually sued Palin on the grounds that he was fired because he supported the campaign of Palin's opponent, but his suit was eventually dismissed when the judge ruled that Palin had the right under state law to fire city employees, even for political reasons"
- R. Ferguson
Can we really afford a vice president who might miss that critical 3 a.m. phone call because she's out hunting moose?
- Jim Norris
The person on the left has much nicer hair. Just sayin.
- Yuvi
Srsly, after seeing her on the news today I think the lady looks like a weird Fey-Lowenski cross. But yeah, I'm guessing Tina Fey will have some SNL special appearance gigs over the next couple of months.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Jason Carreira...I see his plan now...always "working" late at the White House with the VP? It's like a late night Cinemax movie plot....not that I'd know...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
In other news, the number of people wanting to work at Google has dropped by 15%.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Hard to believe. Maybe they decided to be penny wise and pound foolish after all.
- Paul Buchheit
This is similar to when the fine microbrews at various startups were replaced with PBR and Beast. Served warm. In a communal set of tumblers.
- Jay Cuthrell
File under "I CAN'T HAS CHEEZBURGER." Attention all staff: Due to budgetary constraints, the hot and cold running champagne taps will be switched to non-vintage blends until further further notice. That is all.
- Karim
I guess they decided they don't want people working late.
- Gabe
Dinner was always the least effective meal at keeping geeks at their desks. I saw it mostly abused by families who would zoom in to have dinner with Dad or Mom and then they'd all leave together. To my knowledge Google didn't even have a dinner serving before 2005 or so, anyway.
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
In my experience it's always far worse when a company removes a perk than if they'd never introduced it at all. It's like removing features from software--even if it should never have been there in the first place, users will scream murder if you try and remove something in a future release.
- Reto Meier
funny, funny (just coming back from my Google Dinner). this story is fake, as you can guess.
- Ihar Mahaniok
@Ihar nope, I couldn't guess that - at least based on the contents of that article. Why do you think it's fake?
- Kamath (नमः)
Kamath, because I know. I work at Google, I have eaten my dinner one hour ago, and my colleagues in MV are having their dinner in a few hours from now. Do I need to post pictures to prove this? :)
- Ihar Mahaniok
Ihar, maybe it's the Last Supper? Sorry, couldn't resist.
- Sprague D
Caroline, NO idea LOL Print it out and bring it to your local nail salon? haha
- Mona Nomura
hey if any1 finds out where I can get them.. shot my an email pls !!
- Peter Dawson
You could get a ton of places to print them as a decal or, you could get a nail tech who specializes in nail art to do it for you. By the way Mona..this site is cool. I added it to my Greader :D
- Candace
Caroline in photoshop it would be the inverse filter I think :)
- Fred Grott
Goths would love it, everyone else wouldn't even notice unless they themselves were geeks. However, Better than the ghetto hundred dollar polish by far.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Blast from the past... Veronica Belmont favorited these June 3 before you joined FriendFeed http://friendfeed.com/e... But they aren't Vedia's pic [Flickr, 7/1/05]. Here's the biggest photo I found (500x348) http://de.fishki.net/pics2... Funny, I bookmarked them on Del.icio.us because I hadn't joined Flickr back then. Mona posts and gets 63 likes. Veronica posts and gets 6 likes. It's certainly livelier on FF now. Go Mona...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell - A,B,C or D-list. FF IS the great equalizer. (Something we've needed for a very long time) Amazing find!
- Charlie Anzman
pimping my new http://STARTONOMICS.com conference on startup metrics & education, coming to SF on October 2nd. speakers include Andrew Chen, Jeff Veen, Amy Jo Kim, Ted Rheingold, Lance Tokuda, many other cool folks... hope you can all join us :)
- dave mcclure
from Bookmarklet
Imaging being in downtown Palo Alto, first floor, and having all the passers by see flames inside. Might be useful for telling everyone you have a HOT startup.
- Amit Patel