PREDICTION: The problem FriendFeed will have is when it will be very popular (mainstream if you want), there will be so much content that you won't be able to see eevrything. A page refresh and tons of content is published. We will for sure miss tons of good stuff.
a page shows say, 30 entries, between two refreshes, say there's 2000 new entries by friends and friends of friends... you see what I mean?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
We need some way to lens ACROSS content, to view things based on value / ranking / medium, etc. Already there's more content in even my shallow feed than I can comfortably follow, and few of my friends even use FF.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I expect we'll see more than you realize. Likes and Comments keep stuff bouncing to the top until you get a chance to see it.
- Hutch Carpenter
I'm liking and commenting just to bounce ya twice. ;)
- Internet's Tad
Best guess is that hyper growth is already being foreseen with numerous solutions. These guys are good!
- Charlie Anzman
only if you subscribe to everybody under the sun. I'm sure scoble aleady has that problem here and on twitter
- Brett Kelly
Block and Hide aren't nearly good enough for the things I want to do when updates hit several tens per second. I, really, want things like Boolean filters of near arbitrary complexity, feedback learning, and flexible presentation ranking, just to stay sane.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
I'm telling you guys - Lindsay totally pegged it. FF is the site that just DEMANDS an Intelligent Agent to sift through the volcanic soil to expose the rough diamonds. If the FF devs have half a brain, they have a genius or two slaving away on that right now.
- Internet's Tad
I agree, lots of stuff falls through the cracks through out the day. I think the 'best of' was added for this reason. I haven't really used it that much though.
- Tsega Dinka
but all the good stuff is reshared... personally my eyes are trained to scan content quickly and efficiently. it weeds out what i'm interested in and not. if all else fails, there's always the "BLOCK" or "HIDE" options...
- Mona Nomura
Resharing is data-cluttering, as I see it. I want a system that unifies references to URLs, for one. It tells me where that reference is made from (Rooms, friends, likes, whatnot), but only gives me a single thing to look out for any given referent. The actual rest of info is just useful metadata for building lenses out of.
- Alexander Williams
from NoiseRiver
You ask the wrong question with your prediction my multi-lingual friend -- the question is not whether we will see too much, but whether we will see enough? FriendFeed (with or without NoiseRiver) is an extremely good model for seeing "enough". NoiseRiver will allow the "noise lovers" to see even more :-)
- Robert Seidman
As more people join, simply being good at managing who you follow will be more important and should keep the noise down.
- Martin Bryant
Surely people like Robert Scoble are already at that level, he manages fine!
- Joe Dawson
Especially if one uses small screens and apps like twhirl to view the feed...
- Henk de Kruyff
from twhirl
We'll just need a CloseFriendFinder app to sit on top of FriendFinder
- Craig Thomler
I don't see the problem if there is the right method to represent the contnet, in a away that the fruition of it by the user would be easier...
- Edoardo Piccolotto
from twhirl
Yes. There is the potential for much more clutter here than twitter, for example. FF needs enhanced filtering tools.
- Ian Fogg
It's already happening for me. Need tags. Plus likes and comments only go so far. What if I like stuff only a few others like? How do I find that?
- Larry Huffman
if more of my friends were on FF I wouldn't be subscribed to so many people I don't know
- Samuel Bostock
the average user isn't going to be subscribed to that many people. and the mainstream will be much less "active" in terms of generating content than the hardcore early adopters. In short, I don't buy the argument.
- Jamie
The average user doesn't use the majority of features present on mobile phones. In Portugal owning a expensive phone is a status statement, but most of them could use the cheapest mobile in term of features used. With software and web services it's the same, people use just a subset of the features, and they have to be in front of them. Power users and all it's likes and dislikes are useful to test the limits of a application, but besides that are not the voice of God.
- Mário Pires
This is where the top posts of the day/week/month will come into play. I sure that someone will comment or like a post before it flits away. It does bear consideration though, put some brakes on the speed of posting perhaps?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
from fftogo
Maybe a combo of FriendFeed and Digg? people could set to only receive posts with X number of likes/comments...or based on the rep of the person posting...
- Craig Thomler
If i could create "groups" of people by subjects relevant to me perhaps it would be more manageable.
- Mário Pires
so there will be meta services (think summize). Cool. no problemo.
- john conroy
Just look at the Everyone feed. Only imagine articles with 1,000 likes (ala Digg) and 500 comments (ala slashdot). Some people may want the raw feeds, we'll need new filters/views/trails/signposts/guides/topics etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
I have the feeling that the FF staff will roll with the punches. Scalability!
- Steve Isaacs
@Robert Scoble: you WON'T be able to manage that noise. It's simply a mathematical fact. Say, you see 30 post, and between two refreshes, 20.000 entries are posted. The next page will show the last 30 of these 20.000 new entries. You will miss the entries in between. Liking or commenting from FOAF won't help. Because the flow will run... fast.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Prescient in Twitter's case. For awhile it was so for FF too. I don't know about now however; things are slower.
- Itachi
Hi, mohomed! That's so old, how did you find it? :)
- directeur
I was looking for a post with an mp3 attached to it from awhile ago that I needed, but couldn't find it. It's some soft of new jazz from Turkey. A bald guy with blue was attached as an image holding some sort of instrument. But I stumbled across a bunch of good other old posts.
- Itachi
Fast Company magazine publishes 11 times a year.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Robert - Is it possible to get a lower quality version on qik or hosted somewhere else as fastcompany.tv takes a long time to buffer in Shanghai. I love the interviews but have to wait 1/2 hour for the interview to buffer so i can watch it without breaks
- Damian Holmes
Thanks for the fast reply, btw I JUST republished your Interview, I thought it was really informative for entrepreneurs other wannabe CES company's and startups. Btw Jeremy did really good job answering your questions in depth!
- Live Crunch Blog
Damian: yikes. Not tonight. What hosted service works well for you?
- Robert Scoble
LiveCrunch: Jeremy knows his stuff and is the best at relationship-building I have seen in the consumer electronics industry.
- Robert Scoble
Craig: sorry about that. Thought we fixed that. Aaarrrrggghhh. Will work on that ASAP.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - i will ask a chinese friend if they can help you upload to a chinese version of youtube - eg youku - would you be willing to do that?
- Damian Holmes
ok we are trying to work out the logistics - some ppl are nervous about uploading videos for certain reasons understandably - will Ffr you or Twtr you when we have it worked out. in the mean time get a low res version ready and we can figure it out tomorrow . ok?
- Damian Holmes
That's the problem. I don't have a low-res version.
- Robert Scoble
Re: Hosted webservice, How about YouTube for short videos and Blip.tv for longer ones? The clips features of Qik, Ustream, and others also work pretty well.
- Mike Chelen
ok well i can up load it to youku using a translator (aka fiancee) if you upload it to box.net or similar email me damian____@___worldlandscapearchitect.com remove underscores. yes robert i know you hate email
- Damian Holmes
Robert the embedded version in friendfeed is quicker for somehow
- Damian Holmes
Close your eyes. Visualize Friday in your mind. Breathe in and out slowly. Wait for 24 hours, then open your eyes. It will be Friday. And you may smell a little.
- Josh Haley
I think my brain thinks it is Friday, also.
- Nurse Katie
It is Friday somewhere then right? I thought it was until you mentioned it:)
- Roney Smith
Once again, Akiva is ahead of the pack. It really does feel, taste and smell like a Friday...even for those of us who aren't in Australia :)
- WorldofHiglet
i *wish* it was Friday already!!!!!!
- Susan Beebe
Yeah, I woke up with the distinct feeling of Friday all over me. Maybe we lost a day in the space-time continuum or there's a glitch in the matrix.
- Jason Toney
I think it would be great, may even help not getting stuck between two large people on a flight back east. But please don't let TSA be responsible for weighing everyone we may never get to board.
- Jon Erickson
Actually, I often get "electronic" tickets... I wonder if those weigh anything.
- Jeremy Zawodny
This reminds me of living with roommates... you'd start out splitting the electricity bill evenly, but then someone complains that Carl has a server room that drains 70% of the power and then Carl complains that Eddie uses a lot of that server space and so on and so on... weight-based pricing sounds neat ... in theory... but could turn into disaster
- Dave Dash
from Alert Thingy
so how do you buy tickets in advance, or for a third person, when you can't price them until you actually show up to be weighed?
- Chuq Von Rospach
It's an interesting concept ... but as mentioned above, could get messy. I've often thought about how this could be done in health care. THAT gets even messier though.
- AJ Kohn
@Jason: You could weigh them at the security checkpoint without slowing them down too much. Hey, they even get to take the shoes off to lower the total!
- AJ Kohn
I'm not sure that knowing the *exact* price in advance really matters. What you're "buying" in advance is a $/pound price point. Most poeple likely own scales and could easily ballpark their ticket prices. Hell, it wouldn't take long for popular booking web sites to add a little on-line calculator.
- Jeremy Zawodny
I'm thinking of it like in Total Recall with the wall of x-ray ... as you walk down you're assigned a weight. Perhaps it's not even a scale but simple math based on visual capture?
- AJ Kohn
if you're going to attempt this in obese-nation, then ya need to seriously overhaul a ton of other crap like banning fast food, only see fruit vendors in airports and, if your feet cant reach the floor in your seat -sorry you cant lean back its felony if you do
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Oh man I'm in trouble. Wouldn't this classify as weightism? :P
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
This is likely an unpopular view, but would it be a bad thing to provide some economic incentives to be a bit healthier? I mean, it's one thing if you choose to smoke, stuff yourself with fast food and not exercise and your quality of life and health diminishes. The problem is the rest of the populace pays for their care.
- AJ Kohn
Weight is not always health related - some people are naturally larger or smaller. Also sometimes being overweight is a medical condition rather than the result of food consumption. So not a really fair system.
- Craig Thomler
sort of understand the mass to cost to transport ratio - but surprised to see above is all about overweight - how about those of us who are genetically big, we'd be punished for our dna
- mike "glemak" dunn
Final solution remedies always produce collateral damage,huh?
- Mark Forman
Jason: smart approach... sorta huge line though to weigh all this stuff...monetizing air travel really does suck
- Susan Beebe
im obese and what you just said kills me "put down the cinnabon before you board" - i hope we get to meet one day and you say that to my face!
- Allen Stern
As someone who is bigger (tall and a bit wider) I think the only way I would agree to pay more is if they give me a bigger seat with more legroom. Short skinny people can spare the space. This is a reason I hate to fly. I would rather drive than pay more to get treated as sheep.
- Dave Simon
Jeremy your system is flawed for so many reasons. Stick to coding pal :)
- Allen Stern
Allen: thanks for your thoughtful analysis and advice. I'll be sure to only think and write about code from now on, for fear of a coming up with "flawed" ideas.
- Jeremy Zawodny
So in your plan, if I am fat, do I get a larger seat to go along with my higher price? Right now I pay for two seats, how does your system handle that? Or does everyone get the same seat but pays more because there's more weight in there? I am going to double-swipe my metrocard tomorrow on the subway because the train pulling me has to exert more force because of my weight. On a side note, congrats (seriously) on your weight loss.
- Allen Stern
Allen: a larger seat would make a lot of sense, wouldn't it?
- Jeremy Zawodny
i wish i had more time right now to go back and forth with you on this but 9 companies have decided to post news tomorrow at 9am and i have to write their stories - maybe we pick this up at another time - sorry
- Allen Stern
This came up 6 years ago too. SouthWest decided they would force large people to buy a second ticket. http://scottkoon.org/2002... . This works out to a lose-lose situation for everyone. It does open some "slippery slope" possibilities. The real problem is that they put too many rows on the planes. Tall, skinny people would rather have one less row and some more leg room. I'd also advocate some sort of "smack in the head" policy for anyone reclining in their seat.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
I would find this a lot more palatable if you also got a size-appropriate seat. If I'm 280 lbs and am paying twice as much as someone who weighs 140lbs, then I should get a chair that fits my size, and the 140 lb person should get a chair that fits their size.
- Kevin Fox
This campaign was running a few weeks ago when I was in Philadelphia: http://flyderrie-air.com/derriea... The first airline to charge by weight. It is coming. (No, it isn't real, but it is funny) Wasn't pay by the pound big with some small town restaurants in the 70's / 80's? I remember going to one as a kid and it was a nickel a pound for kids under 12.
- Scott Schnaars
Besides larger seats for larger people you would also have to provide a bigger meal and more snacks. Ummm wait.. that's called first class.
- Luis Figueiredo
all I know is that I just flew continental and was totally surprised to be fed... and I mean actual food not just peanuts
- nick carrasco
It's not unreasonable to charge people according to the cost of carrying them & their luggage, whether or not you also offer to sell them custom sized seats, but it's probably a money losing scheme once you factor in people's resentment of it. Given a choice between equitable treatment and just treatment, people generally choose whichever benefits them more.
- Seth
Obsese people wouldn't get larger seats for their expensive tickets, they would get more fuel for their flight. Bigger seats are available right now; it's called first class.
- Micah Sittig
What is going on, blog: Mobile voice to blog text would be a great idea.: What's going on in the world, tech and everything else, blog - http://www.whatisgoingonblog.com/2008...
: ) Lindsay!! At the same second ; ) Great!
- Erhan Erdogan
But I didn't hear that jott has a niche product or an agreement with a service provider up to now.
- Erhan Erdogan
I think you can have it forward your transcripted jots to an email address... and depending on your blogging software you could set it up to accept those emails and then you're set (I know you can do that with WordPress, and for sure Posterous).
- Lindsay
@bluecockatoo: Sorry to distrub this threads. I was looking for you! :) Could you please try again on NR and tell me ? :) (Note Toself= think about private msg feature)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Jott.com is perfect. Well, it used to be. Lately the transcriptions started to suck which kind of cooled me off from the service. It's already frustrating to jott to Twitter, imagine how much it would suck to blog.
- Cem Catikkas
from fftogo
Lindsay: I’ve pinged team for a comment.
- Erhan Erdogan
Sorry for the delayed response! You can do just that-- blog with your voice-- through Jott. You can create an account at jott.com and then add what we call "Jott Links" to them. Right now we have Jott Links for Blogger, WordPress, Live Journal and TypePad.
- Jott
Oh! I wanted to add too that if you are having trouble with transcriptions, especially with proper nouns and such, you can always spell them out :)
- Jott
You are enough fast! : ) Thanks Kate?! - from jott team! ; )
- Erhan Erdogan
Tell something to them about jott+iPhone - all noise like iPhone news here around! : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Recording your speech is now considered blogging? Someone should tell the people who inaccurately call it 'podcasting' or 'radio'
- Craig Thomler
@Craig - no this transcribes your voice - so technically it's all in writing.
- Cem Catikkas
I think there is a place for newsletters. Smaller companies can really benefit from having a newsletter going out to keep their customer base in touch with them and, add a personal touch to things. A blog is also a good idea but, it's not as personal as seeing a newsletter come into your inbox from a company you support. It's just another way of building your community.
- Candace
we're just moving back in time.. web 4.0 will be IRC, Listsrv and Usenet :)
- Naor Mark
What I DO enjoy about Jason's new emails- one source for the info flow, easy to track source. Wish there was a way to thread conversations better here on ff. Scoble had some great conversations going regarding Energy and Intelligence, unfortunately they got lost in the noise.
- michael sean wright
OMG @jody I wrote it and deleted :) thought i'm the only one that used it :)
- Naor Mark
Presumably, then, Web 5.0 will involve smoke signals and drums.
- Michael Nielsen
hehe Naor, showing our age. Really, I wouldn't mind seeing a comeback as an alternative to web for phone browsing.
- jcunwired
@CandaceHolly I cannot see how an impersonal e mail blast, resembling spam so much, can come to feel personal merely because it arrives via mail, especially after the novelty has worn away. I see it as a crutch for those who don't know how to use feeds and feedreaders.
- John Lam
@John, I agree on the personable front, but the people who actually "know how to use feeds and feedreaders" is an incredibly small number compared to those who know how to use email. So it might make sense if your goal is to broadcast to more people in a format they're familiar with to pick a newsletter subscription over providing an RSS feed.
- Lindsay
@John - That's the point. A lot of people don't know how to use feeds and readers. For each of us who are so adept at the internet, there are probably 5 people who aren't. E-mail newsletters are great for small communities and small businesses that keep things on a more personal level. They aren't all e-mail blasts that seem like spam. I get a couple of e-mail newsletters from companies/organizations that I enjoy reading very much.
- Candace
notjasoncalacanis.blogspot.com - you can't leave blogs behind.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Every movement has a counter movement, and now that people have played with their social toys for as long as they can stand we're seeing some of them learn that they really don't care as much as they initially thought they would. That being said, it's hard to give up a captive audience and email is a great way to keep your feedback loop.
- Steve Spalding
Are we seeing repeated fads in the online industry, just as we do for fashion - NO it could never happen!
- Craig Thomler
Ah, so you were a teacher... explains the natural editor's tendancy too.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Heh. I was *supposed* to be a teacher. Perhaps why I agree with you so much and find your interests so interesting. I <3 my online friends. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
I really like this article I read it yesterday and bookmarked it. I really want to be a teacher some day... and although English was my favorite subject I don't think I could ever teach it. I'd have to teach Economics or Physics :D
- Brandon
Yeah. I had a semester of teaching 9th graders English. I learned more than they did, I'm sure. And I became a nanny shortly thereafter. :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
People have been saying nothing in 140 characters for awhile now.
- Akiva Moskovitz
OMG me too! I will never forget the phone call home to tell my parents I hated teaching, and no, I did not know what I'd do with an English degree.
- Cyndy
Because when I was a computer scientist student, we had only one girl in the group?
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Loic - I sent you two tweets; no idea why they don't show up in FriendFeed
- Roxanne Darling
It would be good to see more women involved in conservations like this in places like this (friendfeed) too.
- jjprojects
I was at TechEd last year; don't I count? Don't answer that. Host something where I don't have to book a flight or get a hotel!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
this is one of the least settled arguments this year... have to say, seeing that conference you mentioned the other day - http://tinyurl.com/2jjalk - there's a huge balance there. So maybe it's just more about who is organizing.
- Lucretia Pruitt
thanks all for the links and comments. Robert will read these.
- Loic Le Meur
because I didnt receive an invitation ....
- Margit Hinke
I think that's perception. I've met and worked with (and read about etc.) just as many women as I have men. There is much more a balance now then there was a few years ago.
- Candace
Because the tech industry self-selects for maleness. It's generally not woman friendly.
- Craig Thomler
Lucretia: what's even more fun is that conference is within walking distance of my house. I love it when cool conferences happen literally in my back yard.
- Robert Scoble
My own personal opinion and experience - they aren't taken as seriously as their male peers
- Renee Hendricks
@sbullo: My personal opinion? This distinction male/female doesn't have actually its place when it comes to tech. Because we tech folks are the very cute n' sweet assexual babies! :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I've been asking that question ALL my life!
- fbrunel
I'm available too - community building, networking & branding - just need an invite :)
- Connie Bensen
Is there still a huge gap between the salaries for men and women? As I alluded to before, conferences can be out of reach for financial reasons alone. I asked my employers to send me to TechEd for 3 years before it actually happened; I've been working there for 9 years. (Thank you, boss! I'm not complaining!)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Conferences? Look at the recommended here... there's a limited list of women anyone thinks of inviting to speak, etc. and they can't do every conference, yet there are tons of men. Why are there more men in tech in general? Speaking from my experience, it's a reality that if you have kids and drop out for even a few months, the world passes you by and you drop back down to the Z-list. Six months home with #1 and I had no career to go back to and had to start over again.
- Cyndy
This one boggles my mind, because I've had great experiences with women in tech. Usually smarter and more mature than the guys anyway.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Sorry but I don't belive and won't believe that someone's sex defines his/her abilities. I've seen many smart and dumb women/men in my dev's life. Sure, there's differences in the way they solve problems (you just can't deny it :) ) BUT it's before all about the one who is willing to do a nice and clean job.
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
Most of the time, women are more straight forward and spend less time aspiring for higher positions, limelight or I should not say, attention, but women (i could be wrong) like to stay low key. Priorities in women are very different compared to men. Which starts another topic..why women sometimes feel inadequate competing with men. In most cases, women tend to give in easily. But lately...
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- Brenda McLaren
@cstechcast: Sorry, This is NOT true. It's just what you think :)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@directeur oh that would be lovely if it were true @sean I love being the exception to the rule
- Renee Hendricks
Because I'm too busy taking care of my kid, doing my "day job" and curing world hunger to try to grow my reach to that level. ;) But I soon hope to find a way to add several hours to the day in order to do so. Then... watch out!
- Robyn Miller
Brenda - very true about women not being as competitive as men, one place I worked for a short period of time was asking why it was that women providers were having a harder time getting jobs as the men. I shared with them something I found early on - women will downplay their abilities every time whereas men will (not lie, mind you) tend to overplay their abilities. Men tend to be better "self" salesmen.
- Renee Hendricks
@directeur, I hear you, sex does not define ability, I agree. But I have heard from a couple women who have had to deal with sexism and the issue of not being taken seriously. I've also met women who have moved up without having too many issues. Just my small sample, but some men put priority on building castles and have little regard for others, while women can be more willing to work together and get along. I do think some men don't take women seriously and that is part of the problem.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@cstechcast: I hear you! Sincerly. But in the other hand I think that it's up to the individual person (man or woman) to define and follow till achievement his objectives and dreams. Keeping on saying "we women are underestimated...etc." is not the solution. You'll never hear a man saying "we men are underestimated" Not because it doesn't happen, but I (a man) take these things personaly and never generalize to my sex
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@directeur: 10-4, understood. I just think some people still treat women unfairly for no reason, I've seen it. It's unfortunate because my experience with women in tech has been almost all positive. A small sample I know, and I know our choices determine our path. Agree with that.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
@Susanne: Yes...very true...I am generally not comfortable upselling myself.
- Brenda McLaren
The same people get asked to speak over and over again. It's lack of imagination on the part of organizers, or lack of knowledge of who is out there. Women don't self-promote (myself excluded).
- Francine Hardaway
from twhirl
The French! lol Loic don't you have many beautiful French girlfriends? lmao
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
What Cyndy, Robyn, Suzanne and Francine said. Also, in this age high tech is seen as a "man's" world. Women are just not taken that seriously or ostracized/objectified (ne Playboy) if reaching any kind of prominence. You all remember what happened to Kathy Sierra, right? The women Brenda talk about are the exception.
- Helen Sventitsky
this industry and their conferences are mostly boring
- Erno Hannink
I got an idea. I will start TechBitches.com and make a video on Seesmic. Then you can get Scoble and "Fast Company" to destroy my reputation and get every Soccer Mom to block me.... now wait didn't that already happen? um... hmmmmmm
- Noah David Simon
or was that someone else? I think it was called "Tech" something.
- Noah David Simon
"Tech"something. yes?... it is all coming to me now. Seems 2of offended a lot of blue state people who didn't know the context
- Noah David Simon
Not all sections of tech industry are male dominated. I joined a library tech team a couple of years ago as the 7th member and the 2nd male in the team.
- Nick Cowie
Maybe Robert can cut it off and become the first Alister woman in tech industry! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But jokes a side, how about a Martha Steward of tech? What happened to the HP lady, Carly Fiorina?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
You should never be negative! Controversy in blogs is a really bad idea
- Craig Thomler
I was just about to react to that, Craig, but then I figured it out. You got me.
- Phil G
Craig, you're completely wrong, and I can't believe you said that!
- Brian Carter
I am always negative, and it works for me! You got to believe what you doing!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I was a bit negative about something on my blog the other day - but I think it depends on what the situation/topic is. Also, corporate blogs you should never be negative - but a personal blog is yours and you have the freedom to do anything you want on it.
- Adam Singer
We all have different styles. I try not to be negative unless I can back it up with examples of why I'm criticizing it, etc. Igor, you crack me up! I would only expect negative from you- that's your gig!
- Jason Kintzler
If there were a fuel-saving device that would allow you to realize between 5-15% savings per tank of gas. Would you be willing to spend between $20-$30?
Yes - once off cost of $30 pays for itself very fast
- Craig Thomler
I would... I'm looking for birthday presents right now too
- Stefan Hayden
Directeur-Involved with the development of said device. If it used a new (non-familiar technology) but can be proven to work would you still buy? This uses Far Infra-red radiant material in a device that attaches to the fuel line.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
have no idea what you just said but any fuel savings is good fuel savings so count me in
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I think if it was proven to work anyone in their right mind would buy one. A $30 device that saved 5% of $4 gallon of gas would pay for itself in about 150 gallons. That said, I'm still happy I don't own a car! :)
- John Biesnecker
New, non-familiar tech? Technobabble that would make The Doctor proud? Incredible effects at cheap price? My BS detector is off the charts with this one! (And of course, if it's real, you could sell it to Toyota for the price of a small country; so what's this $30 business?)
- James (@willia4)
Brian-understand had same feeling when I was introduced to the material. FIR is a form of radiation that exists in sunlight and in certain minerals. It causes a constant level of heat to be emitted. This heat helps thin out the viscosity of gas and enables it to combust mor evenly. In any case-I'm sure whn peopel first heard of round earth they laughed much harder. Thanks for commenting.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
Say what? How could infrared light possibly reduce fuel consumption? Please explain.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason -- The trick is in reversing the polarity.
- James (@willia4)
James-Do you have a contact person at Toyota for me to send samples to? In any case my concern is not whether it works or not-that I have been convinced by results of my own savings and emissions testing. Just the perception and BS detector type responses. I feel with gas prices where they are more peopel would be willing to consider. Interesting conversation. Thanks to all for contributing.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
Mark -- Any sixth grade knows what infrared is and could easily infer "far infrared" (indeed, your reference is to the NASA kids page!). How does the existence of electromagnetic waves create fuel efficiency? That's the real question. (Though the number one question is: where's the peer reviewed research (or at least Consumer Reports research) demonstrating that it works?)
- James (@willia4)
yes, I'm familiar with the electromagnetic spectrum. So, the claim is that by warming the fuel it will burn more efficiently? Seriously Mark, I think you've been hoodwinked.
- Jason Wehmhoener
A quick google search shows that (annecdotely, at least) you can get "modest efficiency increases" with a fuel line heater. I can't find anything terribly substantial though. And a 15% increase seems to be pushing things considerably. So I withdraw some of my more extreme criticism since it may not be entirely bunk. Once you start talking about "a heater", though, I think you've left the realm of "non-familiar technology". We've been heating stuff since pre-history, after all.
- James (@willia4)
So James-if "modest efficiency increases" were attainable irregardless of how they were achieved with no negative impact on vehicle or environment, wouldn't that merit considering such a device if it were priced affordably?
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
You guys are great. Wonderful to be able to have discussion this way.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
Depends on how "modest" we're talking (I'm a sucker for actual, reproducible numbers...) and negative side effects. If it's going to halve the life of my fuel injector, that's something to consider. I don't think I'll be adding one to my Prius any time soon, personally. Because it still sounds like a scam and you'll have to do a great deal of work to convince me otherwise (actual, reproducible numbers would be a great start obviously).
- James (@willia4)
how much fuel do you end up having to burn to run the heater?
- Nathan Rein
a better intake will do that(k&n filter or such), I've noticed a 2MPG improvement after installing my sport muffler(less blockage)
- clarke thomas
Heater implies a device that is a machine. This is an attachment that covers fuel line leading into carb/fuel injector. Doesn't require running to activate. Device naturally emits FIR because it contains active material. James-understood. I have data and all that good stuff. Was hoping to engage more on the visceral gut reaction level with you folks. Will be happy to share more info soon, so you don't feel like I was just "playing" you.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
Mark -- my visceral, gut reaction for claims like this is to ask for numbers. :) Of course, I just like numbers and repeatable results in general...
- James (@willia4)
Also, it sounds highly radioactive. Now I know I won't be adding that to my car!!
- James (@willia4)
Mark - you should market to the bio-disel people, I understand that fuel gets thick and slughy and needs a heater.
- Robert Hafer
from fftogo
A $6 fuel saving device - Tire Pressure Gauge. Results may vary.
- Andrew Smith
James-granted. Not being coy. Have plenty of data that needs to be converted from Chinese to English. Jason-the actual earth element, not sure of name. It emits FIR.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
Andrew-haha and a good one too. Ken-many patents indicate that many people are aware of the technology. Technology and development, and markets all different animals. So in our case we are not going patent route because we have proprietary manufacturing process for combining the active ingredient with the carrier thermo-elastic carrier.
- Mark Forman
from NoiseRiver
If QLINK would just hurry up and ship the danged champagne Pegasus to Fayette Moped, I'd pay many times that for greater fuel economy and fun. /sigh
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Check out http://ping.fm It lets you update all your social networks (with one notable exception of Friendfeed). If you need an invite, use the code: pingofpings
- Mark Trapp
We need a tool to let you update all your statuses at once - I'd like to see one to manage my profile photos as well - anyone built something like that?
- Craig Thomler
Ping.fm does the statuses, and Gravatar (http://en.gravatar.com/) does global avatar sharing. Gravatar doesn't have too much adoption outside of blogging platforms, though.
- Mark Trapp
i also like to use hellotxt.com as it does this job quite well and they are actively seeking a SMS interface as well an IM interface.
- Nathan Eckenrode
thanks for the info mark, I was wondering if there was something like this out there.
- Devin Anderson
from fftogo
Same dilemma a while ago. I decided to do it like this: Update status in Skype Mood, which is connected with "AutoTwitter" which is connected with Facebook and Friendfeed. Hm.. Gmail missing?
- ※Fu※
use hellotxt.com for this. problem is you have to go back to all the sites where you set up aggregation or you get tons of double postings
- Mark Schulz
do you mean the copyright ramifications?- Duncan had a big discussion on FF and his blog
- suelibrarian
Interesting - Nick can you share a lnk?
- Craig Thomler
@craigthomler Got landed with guidelines saying do not deep link without permission which is probably based on 6+ years old legal opinion. Looking for something more recent.
- Nick Cowie
Hillary Clinton makes the most sense for Obama. Not sure with McCain
- Christian Burns
Clinton or Edwards for Obama, each would help to guarantee certain voter blocs. For McCain, Huckabee would help to secure the evangelical vote, Romney would aid in securing the moderate vote.
- Greg Hollingsworth
from twhirl
I think Richardson for Obama and Romney for McCain. I bet Romney is kicking himself for dropping out so early. McCain did absolutely nothing with his giant head start.
- Shawn Farner
Shawn. I would like to kick Romney. I thought he would be a better candidate than McCain.
- Michael Tefft
I think each needs to make a bold move to shore up independents. For Obama, that might be R Neb Sen Chuck Hagel; fallback could be VA Sen Jim Webb. For McCain, it could be Lieberman, though he doesn't bring the vibrancy you'd want (and has lost a lot of credibility this year). Mitt is the obvious safe choice as someone who understands the economy and could help in western states (CO, UT, ID) but would not be a bold choice. Hillary or any "old style Dem" would undercut Obama's message of political change.
- Barry Graubart
I think Obama has lots of good choices, with VA's Webb being one of them. I think if Obama wins either OH or VA, he'll win the election. For McCain, I predicted 4 years ago that he's run with Lieberman, but that would mean a double-Droopy like boring ticket. So to make it interesting for McCain, I'll just punt and say A-Rod or Madonna.
- Mike Reynolds
Obama and Hillary are natural choice; but Obama and Al Gore could make an interesing pair. McCain could make the race really interesting if he could convince Condoleeza Rice to be VP.
- Shaun Connolly
too much backlash for Obama to choose Hillary and he's in big trouble (come first debat) on his foreign policy stance, so I think he needs to go with a VP with military background or strong international ties. McCain's requirement is to go young and actually probably go more right wing than he is - lock down the bible belt.
- John OBrien
Jeremiah, just wrote a post on this - http://www.webmetricsguru.com/2008... It's clear to me Hillary would be Barack's best choice, more for the people are are not so internet connected - with Obama didn't reach as well. For McCain.... my guess he'll go for a Colin Powell or maybe Jeb Bush (just a wild guess, here).
- Marshall Sponder
I disagree on an Obama/Powell ticket. It will be hard enough for the country to put it head around one black canidate. I have always thought a McCain/Rice ticket would be his best pick. My problem is I don't really like either canidate this election.
- Grant Griffiths
from twhirl
I think it is too early to tell for either. McCain is stuck in a hard place b/c any move to try and minimize dmg amoung base R's risks alienating independents and vise versa. Obama seems to be exprcng a similar struggle to a much lesser degree. As things solidify over the next couple of months and it becomes clear which states are truly in play the logical choices will become easier to see.
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Not sure yet for Obama, for McCain I vote the Church Lady form SNL skits. :)
- Summer
Althought I seriously doubt he would run I've always thought Colin Powell would be a great running mate for McCain, not sure about Obama.
- Nick Dominguez
Obama will have his pick ready for the convention. I think whether he picks Hillary will depend on the convention. Will the delegates insist and will the convention be a blood bath? The Dem convention will be interesting to say the least. If anything he is going to have to pick someone closer to the middle than he is. Of course that won't be hard.
- Grant Griffiths
from twhirl
Think about this one. McCain/Clinton ticket. Why not. She grew up republican and she may just be pissed off enough at the Dems for not giving her what she felt she was entitled to. McCain/Powell would never fly. Two military veterns on the same ticket. The left would eat that one for lunch. Again I am a bit indifferent this election.
- Grant Griffiths
from twhirl
McCain would NEVER choose Hillary. The entire republican base wouldn't even vote if that were the case. McCain/Powell would be interesting. Obama def. has to chose someone more moderate (yes, not hard to do) cause his record is going to be called into question sooner or later, and his record suggests he's more liberal than Ted Kennedy.
- John OBrien
Of course I didn't say McCain would pick Hillary. But it would be fun to see how the country would react to that one. I just don't see McCain/Powell as a viable choice. McCain/Rice makes more sense to me. But that would connect him to Bush and that is not something his advisors will allow him to do. If I had to make the call right now on who McCain would pick, I would say either the...
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- Grant Griffiths
from twhirl
Condi Rice would be a great VP, but she resisted the effort to get her to run for Pres. many of us tried to convince her to run but she is to smart to run for President.
- Robert Hafer
I agree Condi would be great - in fact I think it should almost be a requirement to be involved in the state department before running for president/vice president. I know people in the state department and they are a hell of a lot smarter and diplomatic than govenors who came to power via a ton of money and congressmen/women who vote based on party and how it'll look in the long run.
- John OBrien
I have been a fan of Condi Rice since for sometime. She has always been my choice for McCain's VP. Hell, she was my choice for President this time too.
- Grant Griffiths
from twhirl
Lieberman has already said we wouldn't accept a McCain offer, I don't think McCain/Rice will happen as McCain tries to avoid a Bush 2.0 label. Powell is a huge wildcard, I don't think he'd switch to Obama but after Obama's Iraq flip-flop I think it's at least somewhat possible, and Powell can't be happy with the Rep. party right now but McCain might be exempt from that.
- David Knight
Condi Rice? Could someone give specifics as to why she would be a good VP based on her experience as NSA and Secretary of State. Am I wrong, but she was a contributor to a botched war and as SoS hasn't been effective.
- AJ Kohn
I'm with AJ. Condi will fuel every Democratic argument that McCain is running for Bush's third term, particularly when it comes to foreign policy. At least Powell openly regrets his role in the push for war -- but he wouldn't exactly be a great running mate for McCain when he'll probably pull the lever for Obama in November.
- Kevin Hessel
As for Obama, Clark blew himself up with his McCain comments (and appropriately so, but he pulled himself out of contention), Webb doesn't want it, Hillary is a terrible choice (she's the liberal Bush when it comes to divisiveness and brings along Bill(bo) Baggage) and Edwards is a proven loser. I'm still leaning toward Sebelius. Pro-choice, female Democratic governor in one of the nation's reddest states.
- Kevin Hessel
I wouldn't say she's been ineffective as SoS at all...just not been in the news much (like the whole bush administration). I think a lot of people obviously want all aspects of bush administration gone, but I think Condi is a bright spot and would be good for the transition if McCain were elected and she was VP.
- John OBrien
@John: I'm open to hearing what Condi has done well as SoS, but I can't find a bright spot. How about a top five accomplishments as SoS?
- AJ Kohn
Yeah, I agree the book only works at the conceptual level, amazing how catchy titles get eyeballs. I told Tim this, he signed my book "Here's to being a skeptic". ;)
- Jeremiah Owyang
And like 'The Secret' it became a self-fulfilling prophecy for the creator...
- Craig Thomler
I enjoyed reading it. I'm not rich yet, but it has certainly helped to put a lot of things like work into perspective.
- David Owens
I almost put the book down immediately after he told how he "won" the kickboxing title. Reminded me of the Seinfeld where kramer takes karate beating up eight year old.
- Michael Gartenberg
there were parts of the book that were original and good but what was good wasn't original (like this quote) and what was original wasn't good.
- Michael Gartenberg
Greeks had a slave society because they felt work was beneath the dignity of the free man.
- Michael Gartenberg
While I'm one of those that feels you aren't totally defined by your work, I know I'd be bored, stupid and lonely if I wasn't working. Actually that last bit sounds funny since I work alone out of my home. There's a testament to social networks: I have more 'friends' now than I did in 15 years of I.T. for large corporations. Hmmm....
- Kevin C. Tofel
Kevin, there's huge difference in being alone and being lonely. That's why folks like you and I can work out of an office by ourselves physically and still be surrounded and interact with many friends and colleagues
- Michael Gartenberg
After nearly ten years in workstation support, I'm bored, stupid and lonely BECAUSE of my work. Every now and then a cool gem drops into my hands. I know I have to make a change, but I've been thwarted so far.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Michael: agreed. We're living proof. [Although we're going to have meet in person one day, so you can prove to me that you really exist. ;) ] @MiniMage: Evaluate, Plan, Execute. Then rinse and repeat as conditions require... I know you can do it! :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
I like to play with and dissect new mobile technology. I like to be presented with an interesting technology problem and win the battle. When I show a frightened user something that makes him or her smile and realize the relationship between him and his computer CAN work, I like that. I like learning.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
well mini, now the next question is what would you like to do with that knowledge? help users? write about mobile tech for others? review technology?
- Michael Gartenberg
If I could find a nice balance of all three (helping others, writing about tech, reviewing tech), that would be grand. I have written on tech, and I've loved it, but I've not been able to make the effort lately; that's the dream, and I've felt so stuck in the reality.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Michael I thought several concepts in the book like reintroducing the Pareto Principle, batching and Parkinson's Law were quite valuable. Others, like the part on personal outsourcing and setting up online businesses, were less relevant to a guy like me.
- Steve Rubel
Steve, it wasn't all bad. see my post but neither Pareto or Parkinson's Law are new. None of what he said hasn't been said before and been said better. Again, what was good wasn't original and what was original wasn't very good
- Michael Gartenberg
Are you guys now going to spend 4 hours talking about this?
- shelisrael1
Glad t see I'm not alone with that opinion. He's got some interesting thoughts rehashed. But a lot of what he's done with his life is not the path I'd chose myself, to say it in a friendly way.
- Robert Blum
I'm just going to glare in Shel's general direction for four hours...well, after I finish this software review, anyway...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF