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Good News and Bad News About Christmas Decorations... (via my younger brother)
Iván Abrego, Derrick, Jason Williams and 15 other people liked this
"Well, there is good news and bad news about my Christmas decorations this year Good news is that I truly out did myself this year with my Christmas decorations. The bad news is that I had to take him down after 2 days. I had more people come screaming up to my house than ever. Great stories. But two things made me take it down. First, the cops advised me that it would cause traffic accidents as they almost wrecked when they drove by. Second, a 55 year old lady grabbed the 75 pound ladder almost killed herself putting it against my house and didn't realize it was fake until she climbed to the top (she was not happy). By the way, she was one of many people who attempted to do that. My yard couldn't take it either. I have more than a few tire tracks where people literally drove up my yard..."
- Louis Gray
"Kind of feel like I gave in to the man by taking him down but my neighbor did confirm two near miss accidents on the busy street next to my house. I think I made him too real this time So it was fun while it lasted."
- Louis Gray
Above is via an e-mail forward from my brother - not his house.
- Louis Gray
That's great.
- SAM
This is a great xmas decorations story!
- Freddie Benjamin
That's awesome!
- Beau Liening
Too funny. I just may have to try this.
- Chris Nalty
that is not nice although a voice recording of some yelling would have helped too
- Allen Stern
Anyone know where I could get into an email battle with a designer to get some humorous pie charts made, for free?
Sebastian, Tony Ruscoe, Crutis and 3 other people liked this
Please take Scoble’s stopwatch away - http://www.shootingatbubbles.com/index...
Thomas, Tapio Kulmala, Crutis and 2 other people liked this
This happens every time Scoble switches services.
- Jesse Stay
And we're about due for another service switch in the next 10 days or so.
- Andy Bakun
Yeah. It wouldn't be such an issue if just switched services but he does it quite often. It wouldn't be such an issue if he switched services as often as he does but each time that he does so, he switches with a much fanfare as he can muster, proclaims it the greatest thing that's ever happened to technology, and admonishes everyone who doesn't hop the bandwagon now. As I repeatedly say, I really like Robert but how many times can he cry 'wolf!' and still expect to be taken seriously?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, to Robert's credit he often does have a point. His intention with being so loud about it is to get your attention, to get people talking about it, and in return they really start to think about it. I admit he's gotten me thinking.
- Jesse Stay
Robert has acted this way about "new technology" he finds as far back as I have known him -- a kind of technology ADD I think - his career is predicated on it -- it is him. He always loudly claims that the technology is going to change his and everybody's life (and occasionally he might even be right).
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, that may be true but it's the fact that when the particular doesn't work out, he washes his hands of it as if it were diseased.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Brian, for that reason I think he's a great person to follow because he does introduce you to some really cool new technology. He keeps us from feeling comfortable in any one environment. He constantly reminds me to continue looking elsewhere for something better - I think that's a good thing.
- Jesse Stay
Robert has also done some amazing things for entrepreneurs with worthy technology trying to get exposure for that technology. He's really helped the tech community with his style of finding the latest and greatest and best stuff I think.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse -- I follow what he does, I like and respect him as well. I have known him since the late 90's when he and I were Microsoft MVPs. But he certainly does and likes to stir the pot.
- Brian Sullivan
It's stage 5 of being an early adopter. http://blog.louisgray.com/2008...
- Louis Gray
When you say it that way it sounds like a disease. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, that would be fully true if this wasn't like the second or third time twitter has become the darling technology. It's not always just the "new" technologies.
- Andy Bakun
Some of it may be serious backlash, but some of it is probably just horsing around. Robert can generally take it, and if you do cross the line he'll tell you, so people can mess with him without worrying too much.
- Bruce Lewis
Andy: true but with Twitter and FriendFeed you can take a new approach that dramatically changes their utility. Also, sometimes I catch wind of new features coming. Do you remember a dinner with @ev I had a few months back?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
However, taking a new approach doesn't mean the end of utility of doing things the way you previously did.
- Andy Bakun
Drop of water at 2000 fps (very cool) - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Daniel Mietchen, Eren Emre Kanal, Dan Hsiao and 75 other people liked this
This is pretty cool.
- Bastian
I didn't see this segment, but I was watching this special in my hotel room when I was at the society of rheology conference. It made me think that I need a high speed camera. For science, of course ;)
- Clare Dibble
This is very cool. I'd like to see it with other liquids, and water with different this mixed in. Like soap for instance, which messes with the surface tension...what happens then?
- Bill Scherer
hi
- soso
Are there any liquids that don't have surface tension?
- Gabe
My husband and I are addicted to the show Time Warp: random things done in front of high speed cameras. The oldies but goodies like popping a water balloon are stil my favorite...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
That's amazing, which is why science rocks! :)
- imabonehead
Love it! I want to have 2000 fps water drops as my screensaver.
- EricaJoy
Very cool!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Amazing. What else would be interesting to visualize at 2000 fps?
- Philippe
True beauty
- Инк Лонгтан
from iPhone
There is only as much beauty in nature as you can appreciate and not a grain more. thoreau
- Robert Higgins
+Bill I wanna see Quicksilver or Mercury at 2000 FPS
- Robert Higgins
Я предпологал!!!! :) Теперь я знаю!!!!
- atner
Google Navigator for Android Review: Good For Free But Far From Perfect [Review] - http://gizmodo.com/5393935...
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FTW: a @rockhardawesome lolbabby pic in my cambridge #devdays presentation http://img301.imageshack.us/img301...
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Replacing Google Reader with Twitter is Nuts - http://brettkelly.org/blog...
brainno722 (Peter), Crutis, Vasos Kassianidis and 6 other people liked this
No kidding..
- Pavan
Crazy!!
- Parvez Halim
I haven't been using GReader lately. Still, it has its uses. I can still post my GReader faves to FF & Twitter. Even so, I've been concentrating on Twitter lists right now...
- Dennis Jernberg
Google Redefines Disruption: The “Less Than Free” Business Model - http://abovethecrowd.com/2009...
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PuSH Bot Marries PubSubHubbub with XMPP - http://theappslab.com/2009...
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Ding-Dong, SEO and PageRank Are Dead - http://jungleg.com/2009...
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One thing that does concern me is that the Facebook team doesn't seem to be spending much time trying to get to know the new FF audience.
Steve, Crutis, Matt Ellsworth and 2 other people liked this
But not necessarily surprising.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I'm not sure the Facebook team spends much time getting to know the Facebook audience.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy took the words out of my mouth...errr, fingers
- Johnny Worthington
It would seem this would be a great opportunity to meet the new community, many of whom have never stepped foot inside Facebook. Outside the FriendFeed team, does anyone know of someone at Facebook who uses FriendFeed actively? I used to know a few, but they've all stopped.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, preach it!
- Micah Wittman
The difference between the Facebook and FF communities is that this is a tight-knit community. Many of us more active users all know each other. That's not the case for Facebook. This is the community Facebook could come and actually talk, and we'd listen if they actually participated.
- Jesse Stay
A better question, does anyone actually know anyone inside Facebook?
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny, I do - I'm mostly venting, and perhaps hoping some of them might see this. Next time I chat I'm going to bring it up though. (not sure how much it will help though)
- Jesse Stay
When you have people flocking to your service there is little reason to worry about this little community.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Is it a vast culture difference or is it a company size thing? They're inter-related, certainly, but on the whole.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, I'm sure it's both. It's easier for the FriendFeed founders to interact because it's a smaller community here. That also contributes to us all knowing each other (or feeling like we do).
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, thinking about it, the interaction by the FF team in general (it varied by person of course) — it wasn't the frequency that was stand-out, it was that it felt authentic, reasonably open and wasn't defensive. That was part of the shock about the facebook announcement - it seemed uncharacteristic, not the FF voice speaking. But that's just my impression.
- Micah Wittman
If current day peeps inside FB made a similar effort here, I suspect the reception here would warm quickly. I've heard Friendfeed is good for conversation, as it happens ;)
- Micah Wittman
Ivan Kirigin has increased his FriendFeed activity since he started working at Facebook. Sorry I don't have more data points.
- Bruce Lewis
Peter Schiff : falling dollar, rising rates, phony economy - http://peterschiffchannel.blogspot.com/2009...
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Let's say FriendFeed IS dying... I would rather spend the last few days standing around the hospital bed spending quality time and being happy with the 'family' rather than poking it and talking about what's killing it over and over again. Wanting to pull the plug while it's still lively and conscious is just plain douche-baggery.
Pete, Enabling Force, josh neff, geek at large, technogran and 48 other people liked this
I'm wondering about the motivations behind it. Should we become greater evangelists to "save it"? That's the message I get.
- Mo Kargas
What could we do to save it though? Besides keeping on using it to show the powers that be that we are here and we like it and want it to stay.
- Mellissa Claus
*conspirational tone* Interesting idea though isn't it, trumpet a service is dying, galvanize people into saving it, get more users...profit?
- Mo Kargas
Word. I'm going to use ff until the day I go to click in and get redirected somewhere else. Oh, and just so we're clear: I really dig the people here. I sincerely hope that if ff "dies" the cool folks I have had the honor of interacting with will still be around somewhere. <3
- Bren, Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Hoping something to live by diagnosing it with a terminal disease is a kinda screwy way to go about it though.
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
@J-wo This is the internets :D
- Mo Kargas
@Scott Yes :)
- Mo Kargas
Yes, we have. And that's my point. I was frustrated at people for bringing it up, and that was my failing. But I have accepted a few things... But those same people KEEP bringing it up and now it's just pissing me off...
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
No, I'm talking about people talking about it... It's a meta-meta thing :P
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
So I am suppose to stop talking about people talking about people calling things dead?
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
Dead meme!!
- Mo Kargas
ah, FF is just getting ready for Halloween! FF is going as a zombie. Can't die and feeds off of brains. Makes perfect sense now.
- Josh Haley
Johnny, it's a conundrum. It's either "beating a dead horse" or "the elephant in the room" - seems like it's either one or the other. :(
- Micah Wittman
My point is, let's ride the horse and get the elephant pissed...
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
:D
- Micah Wittman
Mo THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPING TO SEE!!! If you want to save the patient you must go out into the world and tell them what is great about FriendFeed. You must write blog posts about why FriendFeed isn't dead. Why the community here has value. Etc. I've been poking the community to see if there's any life here. So far the only life here is to call me names. Yeah, THAT will really convince Mashable we're not dead.
- Robert Scoble
Mash-a-who?
- Josh Haley
@Robert - so the plan is revealed! The problem is that a lot of us that use FriendFeed gave up on blogging a while ago... What's the point when the community we want is here? /why try to bring it to our blog instead? So you've gotten pushback but it's been here, not outside. The thing is, I kind of LIKE it now that all the fair-weather people are gone... we can get back to the real...
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- Lindsay
So let me get this straight... You wanted us to mount a spirited campaign to save FriendFeed.... by declaring it dead? No, seriously man... That's f'ed up. A true leader inspires, not berates.
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
Just curious to Robert's point when the last time anybody dropped by Twitter and invited folks to stop by? Seems sort of an automatic place to take the story of friendfeed... #justsayin
- WarLord
WarLord, Louis and I were there 2 weeks ago
- Jesse Stay
@WarLord - I don't think FF is a stranger to Twitter... I think that Twitter people prefer Twitter, probably for the same reasons I don't prefer it to FF.
- Lindsay
Commentator != leader.
- Bren, Not Grinchy
from iPhone
Johnny: part of why I am fighting with you all is I need someone else to be the leader and get me to believe again. Unfortunately I know too much and it's going to be hard to convince me that there's a long term future here. Lindsay: OK, but I get more value out of four people in a conference room, if that's the kind of thing you want. The problem is that that isn't what we all hoped for and so part of all of these conversations is we're grieving over the death of a dream. Like I said in ...
- Robert Scoble
Lindsay I regularly invite my twitter followers to my BLOG and to my FF stream and I respond with that info to DMs....
- WarLord
...my blog post, I think there's a Second Life for FriendFeed coming after all this calms down. It just isn't going to be what I thought it would be and it requires you to find that new life. But it also requires Facebook to give the service a future. Right now it doesn't have one. Despite what the Walrus is saying.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, there are few people as big a cheerleader as me about this place... But I don't get talked about in TechCrunch or Mashable... I don't get booked on other podcasts and I don't have credibility. It is hard to get heard when the simple Scoble Said It's Dead gets fired back at me. Your word means something, and I fear we now live so far down the curve that people don't have time to read past the headline...
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
@WarLord - There's a difference between visiting someone's blog and becoming a user of a service. Just because people who have their network on Twitter and are comfortable with that come to FF to visit doesn't mean they'll become part of the community. And the last time we had a bunch of people from Twitter coming over it diluted the community a good deal and mostly they just complained about how it wasn't like Twitter and eventually went back to Twitter....
- Lindsay
@Robert - I have to agree with Johnny on his point. Your opinion carries about 100x more weight than any of us others who are loyal FriendFeeders. When you say it's dead it basically becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy unless there is another big name arguing with you. I think Louis Gray is the closest luminary we have to being able to combat the message you're promoting but even though...
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- Lindsay
But DAMN YOU SCOBLE... I feel a long winded and tear jerking Save Blog Post coming on... It worked... but I don't like it :P
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
I <3 Lindsay. Well said.
- Josh Haley
Lindsay is right. But that's all part of the game. It's stage 5. See: http://blog.louisgray.com/2008... "The adopter will use their blog and both the new and old service to call followers to migrate as a group, both helping the new shiny toy, and in turn, damaging the old one, out of spite and frustration."
- Louis Gray
On FriendFeed Not Being Dead, I wrote that a week after the acquisition. "FriendFeed's Not Dead. While Not Clear, Its Future Could Be Very Big." http://blog.louisgray.com/2009... To do so again, I would need more data. Being patient is hard.
- Louis Gray
Louis, you're a man of restraint, yet filled with passion. It's so good to have met you here.
- Micah Wittman
Well said Johnny! You have put into words exactly what I think!
- technogran
Back to Mono - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...
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I don't know enough about the Beatles. Is it good or bad to be the walrus? "Yoko didn’t break up the Beatles. The Beatles did. FriendFeed isn’t dead. It’s just getting started. And the walrus is Paul."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Well, Lennon based "I Am the Walrus" on Lewis Carroll's poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), but didn't realize the Walrus was the villian, so you decide I guess!
- Mark Trapp
The Walrus was only Paul when looking through a Glass Onion.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, hard to explain all those references... It's worth spending some quality time with the albums Gillmor mentions, and learning about the people that made those albums. There are a number of Beatles documentaries as well... Paul, seriously, you don't know the Beatles? really? <shakes head in disbelief>
- Jason Wehmhoener
The real question is: Is Paul the John of Friendfeed? Or is that Bret?
- Cliff Gerrish
Seems like the easiest thing to do would be to just ask Steve. :)
- Cristo
Easy, yes, but certainly less interesting.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I'll add learning to Beatles to my TODO list.
- Paul Buchheit
Why even have references or allusions at all? Everyone should just simply know everything.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I'd say Bret is Paul and Paul is John, just 'cause Paul is Paul would be too simple. The real stumper is who's Ringo? Kevin or Ben? Whichever's not is probably George. And is Gary Stuart Sutcliffe or Pete Best? Or is Jim Norris Stuart Sutcliffe? And what about Sanjeev? My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
By the way, up until the fifth paragraph I was expecting this to make reference to Miguel de Icaza and Richard Stallman. Doh.
- Ken Sheppardson
Someone should ask Paul McCartney if he'd like to be Paul or Bret.
- Jeremy Hylton
Paul - I was wondering what your reaction would be to being called "the Walrus" LOL :D
- Susan Beebe
Pretty funny stuff for FF fans.
- Tim Tyler
Wait... you guys are reading that "the walrus is Paul" as a reference to Paul Buchheit? Rather than McCartney, which is what it's meant for 40-some years now?
- Ken Sheppardson
I think Steve threw that in to be clever and folks are reading a bit much into it. (just as they read a bit much into "I buried Paul" at the end of Strawberry Fields.) of course, the Beatles expected you to read into it, and get confused, and have discussions like this one... BTW, John Lennon felt the Lewis Carroll poem was a criticism of capitalism. Somehow I doubt Steve was trying to say Paul B is an overly greedy capitalist though...
- Jason Wehmhoener
I just DM'ed this via FF to Steve Gillmor hoping for his input on the whole Walrus bit :-)
- Susan Beebe
OK, I don't know why, but I remember quite distinctly that when I was a kid, the lyric, "the walrus was Paul," was taken by some to be a confirmation of the rumor that Paul McCartney had died and the Beatles were covering it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... In 1969, when the rumor gained traction, I actually created a Halloween costume consisting of a bunch of headlines from reputable sources like the National Enquirer about Paul's death...
- Laura Norvig
I'm sitting here with Steve. And he told me the Walrus is John.
- Cliff Gerrish
haah awesome! thanks Cliff
- Susan Beebe
Although he didn't say who Paul is...
- Cliff Gerrish
"If you don't know who the Walrus is, the Walrus is you.." G. Marx
- Parody
Paul is just Paul, of course, but then again he can't be.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is dead.
- I Am the Walrus
Goo goo goo joob. Paul, how about you andme get together for a beer or something snd then go kicking Edgar Allen Poe before climbing up the Eiffel Tower.
- Jim Hearts FF
from iPhone
Wow the Beatles are a TERRIBLE reference to show how friendfeed is still alive. Only two of the original members of the Beatles are still alive and they are not getting any younger.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Yeah, and the remastered Beatles catalog has hardly made a dent in the charts: http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot...
- Cliff Gerrish
The Walrus was was a sort of villain, but I think Steve was emphasizing his role as a pied piper--the guy calling the shots that everybody is listening to and (most blindly) following. The question remains, what will happen to our Oysters?
- Kurtiss Hare
"I even remember what it was like before Robert Scoble got here!" - http://louisgray.com/live...
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i do miss festivusfeed. airing of grievances brought about actual FF updates, right?
- MG Siegler
there should be a "love" option for things like this. lol
- shaun mclane
Great example of how the FF culture was a big part of growing a love for the service that will no doubt be eaten by the FB dragon.
- Mark Krynsky
++Mark
- vijay
Awwwww
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Will this be the butterfly?
- Jesse Stay
Bump for the good times.
- Mark Krynsky
Jesse roflol!
- Melanie Reed
Jesse wins!
- Micah Wittman
How many users did FF have when FestivusFeed was implemented?
- Cristo
Cristo, not enough. It was in December of 2007. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis, I know. I was using it. But I'm still interested to know what the number was. 5K-10K?
- Cristo
FriendFeed has never released user statistics, to my knowledge.
- Louis Gray
No reason for them not to now though, right? I mean, who cares how many users they had in 12/07 except us?
- Cristo
I forgot about this one, a true classic. I need to have a high-trafficked site just so I can pull out gag logos.
- Vezquex: God of FF
For the love of God Paul Buchheit, be a man and put FriendFeed out of its misery - http://www.inquisitr.com/43743...
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Article FAIL.
- Louis Gray
Liked for Louis Gray's comment :)
- Eric Florenzano
Comment WIN!
- Jesse Stay
Inquisitr, they are too tabloid
- Kirill Bolgarov
Completely agree that this is Article FAIL Louis!
- Travis Koger
On another point, why is Duncan still posting his articles to FF if he thinks it should be put out of its misery? I mean it is posted by his blog link, but still.
- Travis Koger
Traffic.
- Cristo
BURN IT WITH FIRE
- Johnny Worthington
LOL Noone read the story, he was calling for a time when it would be no more, he feels we as users should know when the end will be, nut running around with our heads cut off.
- Jimminy
You mean you're suppose to READ Inquisitr stories? I thought it was just the headlines :P
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Jimminy, I read the story.
- Louis Gray
TL;DR your comment Louis. :D
- Jimminy
Louis, what was fail about it, I'd like to at least know when the service ends, prior to it ending.
- Jimminy
The article suggests that the only way out is to pick a date it closes.
- Louis Gray
Ah well that is true, I'm trying to archive the service now, but I don't think that's going to get anywhere, far too many legal restrictions. So it all depends on how the deal was structured and if any of the team are still in control of the service. *sigh*
- Jimminy
I guess it's time to rejuvenate, er .. I mean transform the old Facebook account.
- BLOGBloke
I thought it was Zuckerberg who gets to shoot the old dog. Buchheit & co. sold it to him. Remember?
- Dennis Jernberg
Dennis, no one knows who is actually in charge of the decision, and Buchheit can let us know prior. They won't have an abrupt shutdown, I'd assume.
- Jimminy
But I don't think that if they do shut it down (and for all we know they likely will), it'll be anytime soon. And of course it won't be abrupt; Yahoo's shutdowns of 360 and Geocities weren't. If FB shut down FF abruptly, they'd have to face a whole lot of angry FriendFeeders.
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't understand all this "friendfeed is over, pick a date" stuff. friendfeed has hit pause on the evolution of features, but it was always the community that brought me here. The world will eventually move on to the point that it will no longer make sense to have a separate site here, but that will likely be a popularity vote made by us (and measured in traffic), not some arbitrary...
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- Clare Dibble
Clare, I don't mind hitting pause on new features. I think EVERYBODY expected that, to some extent. But when I look at http://ff.im/74ECA where current advertised functionality has been broken for almost two months and they haven't yet taken the time to fix it, THAT (to me) says volumes. This place has been given up for dead and nobody's bothered to notify the users. (Also, FF was...
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- Scott of Two Countries
Comment WIN, Louis.
- Roberto Bonini
Death "Throws"? Dictionary FAIL
- Iain Baker
UGH.
- Joe Silence is not dead
AGREED, Iain.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Duncan wants it killed, and has blocked the most important members of the community.....why does he even spout an opinion about the service? He wants it killed and just used it to piss on when it thriving....
- Matthew DeVries
I don't see where this idea of us being given fair notice of the shutdown comes from. Kevin Rose gave Pownce users what, an hour to get their shit and get out?
- Matthew DeVries
Perhaps all of Facebook will be transitioned to FriendFeed. If so, how will I access Farm Town? :) I commented more fully at the post itself, after seeing a link to the post on Rahsheen's feed. And no, you're not seeing this level of conversation in Google Reader's social features, and if you are, you can't find the comments. Google Reader's a good sharing mechanism (I'm with Louis on that one), but it's socially awkward.
- John E. Bredehoft
Google reader's Comments engine and sharing engine are fracking perfect, but where it fails is in the conversation searches, and the "What/who the fuck was I talking about/to" and the "what are my friends talking about" function.
- Matthew DeVries
+1 Iain
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I will miss the FF search when it's gone. It's been an extension of my memory for a good year now. Oh well, I'll always have GMail... right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Pixar Intro Parody - CollegeHumor video - http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1...
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Amazing! I mean, okay, this clip is funny and cool, but... just yesterday, I watched a DVD of "Pixar Shorts"... including a short documentary on the history of Pixar and their animation. To think the level of animation in this silly video was likely made with machines such a tiny fraction of the size and cost of the original Pixar animation computers... to think that this sort of animation is doable in the hands of, well, amateurs nowadays... that just blows my mind!
- Adam Lasnik
from Bookmarklet
Hat tip - http://friendfeed.com/fdelgado
- Adam Lasnik
in this mass-vs-social media "fight" I'm still puzzled on how will I speak with my friends about movies if they did not see them. As time goes by, this is more and more common, and when in the real world, I have to learn how to describe and story-tell what i saw before I can engage a conversation (while online I just send a link... but this will become harder since not everyone has the time to see every little-media share that the growing number of contacts is sending)
- righini riprova
Ah, the great fracturing of "shared" experiences. To an extent, this has already happened with movies-on-demand, a million cable channels, a ton of interesting web sites, etc. But I think "pop culture" will always ensure that there are some shared experiences. For instance, in America, Pixar movies tend to be "must sees" amongst a big segment of the population, and regardless of amateur animation talent, I doubt that'll change.
- Adam Lasnik
that's interesting: you (in America) are always a coupe of years ahead us (italy).. especially for these cultural shifts
- righini riprova
Woah - @scobleizer's using FriendFeed again. Is that his way of saying @louisgray and I were right? ;-): http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... (update: I must have misunderstood Louis Gray's opinion before - see the comments below) (update 2: I think @scobleizer and I are mostly in agreement - this is just my passion for FriendFeed coming through (note the shirt))
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No.
- Robert Scoble
Yes?
- Brandon Titus
I never said I wouldn't ever use it again. I said it would get no new features. I'm pretty sure that even Paul Buchheit confirmed that today.
- Robert Scoble
i got the impression new is to come, and i still feel like the users could/should intro new, if they can (i cant, so thats why wrote this way)
- chaz2b
Robert, I didn't see Paul confirm anything.
- Jesse Stay
Holden, no kidding. Why isn't anyone just asking them? I'm surprised not even TechCrunch has tried to get in touch with them (or they at least haven't said they tried). As an entrepreneur I hate it when bloggers make assumptions without contacting me first.
- Jesse Stay
It's still going to get swallowed by the FaceBook Gear heads and disappear, it's really too bad. But, it's still here so lets party! : )
- Owen Greaves
Owen, that's an assumption
- Jesse Stay
It's logical
- Owen Greaves
Owen, it's an assumption
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: It's still logical assumption :)
- Owen Greaves
Jesse: I've tried to setup an interview with Paul. Just hasn't worked out yet.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: So you would have me believe that FaceBook bought FF as a side business? To run side by each as a separate profit center?
- Owen Greaves
As to Paul's quote. It's pretty clear to me that they are working on bringing FriendFeed style features to a "larger group." Well, since FriendFeed's group is getting smaller that only means one thing: they are working on bringing these features to Facebook itself. Which matches what I've heard from my friends at Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Owen: if Jesse thinks that he's VERY mistaken.
- Robert Scoble
Owen, I'm saying no one but FF and FB know what's happening to FriendFeed. No one knows anything right now
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: that's really not true. I have plenty of sources inside Facebook. What Paul said did NOT disagree with a damn thing I said.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yes, Paul said that, but he didn't say FriendFeed is going away.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I can't believe you are actually sitting on the fence on this :)
- Owen Greaves
I never said that FriendFeed is going away either.
- Robert Scoble
Friend Feed will me merged into Facebook before it is out. Facebook bought Friend Feed for their R&D group as well as their technology. Mergers of this kind never result in both services being kept running.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, what features do you think FB is getting? FOAF?
- Cristo
Robert, you said it would get no new features - Paul didn't say that either
- Jesse Stay
Rob, that is an assumption
- Jesse Stay
Robert it willg oa way its a matter of time
- Rob Cairns
Will I be able to converse with this crowd without it being mixed in with family & friends?
- Cristo
Jesse: well, to get new features someone has to work on FriendFeed itself. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Paul never said people have stopped working on FriendFeed forever
- Jesse Stay
Jesse but look what happens in the industry it is a pretty good one based on past history.
- Rob Cairns
Maybe google will take Tornado and create their own FriendFeed/Twitter.
- Cristo
Cristo: they aren't telling me what features they are building for Facebook and if they were it would be under NDA so I would have to play dumb and stupid when you ask such a question.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble and no one is adding features to FF but lots to Facebook
- Rob Cairns
Rob, like Robert, I have plenty of contacts inside Facebook as well
- Jesse Stay
Cristo: nah, Google is going to try to make Wave work. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Wave is not social networking. At least not in it's current form.
- Cristo
Cristo: I disagree and agree at the same time.
- Robert Scoble
What's not logical, is that FF & FaceBook will continue to do business in it's current structure
- Owen Greaves
Jesse - Me too actually but the reality is people will use any service and reconnect if one shuts down. People always go where the people they communicate go.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, that's very hard to disagree with.
- Cristo
I predict Facebook will use Wave and Wave will use Facebook (but that's another argument)
- Jesse Stay
Owen: at least for the forseen future.
- Robert Scoble
Holden: that doesn't mean it's not social networking *sighs*
- Robert Scoble
Robert, is email and/or chat social networking? Is there any FOAF or ability to see other people's contacts on Wave?
- Cristo
Jesse somehow I doubt that because Facebook likes a closed network. You can not search the contents of Facebook from outside it and I can not see that changing so they will not partner with Google
- Rob Cairns
Rob, my point is we don't know if FriendFeed is dead (aka no new features). I'm not even sure if Paul or Brett know right now. There's no sense speculating until we're sure. Let's let them release their features and see what happens. Maybe they'll be so cool we'll all just switch to Facebook. Maybe not and we'll stick around here and they'll decide to continue adding features. I think they're watching what the users think right now. No one knows at the moment - to suggest such would be just an assumption
- Jesse Stay
Robert: It's a moot point anyway, we will use all services to promote ourselves, our brands and products no matter what happens. Including being in a state of flux like we are now.
- Owen Greaves
Cristo: no. Because email is not public. Chat is not on the web for the most part. Chat could be a component of social networking.
- Robert Scoble
Rob, that's changing
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: new features take engineering time and AS OF RIGHT NOW FriendFeed is not getting engineering time. Will that change tomorrow? Well, I might win the lottery tomorrow too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, so social networking requires being on the web? You couldn't have client-based or P2P social networking?
- Cristo
When I talk I'm talking about TODAY and what the view is today and what our expectation of tomorrow is based on decisions made today.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse so the key is why invest time in a platform do do not know will survive. We put all this time and content into a service(do people back up what they post) and you potentially can lose it all.
- Rob Cairns
Cristo: most social networking I've seen, like Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, is on the web.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, c'mon people, this is easy: 'When the wind blows from the South I know the difference between a hawk and a handsaw.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
Rob: I don't back up anything here. But I'm not expecting the servers to get turned off.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, but to suggest such would be just an assumption. I think the proper approach would be to talk to them, get their opinions before making such assumptions, report that, and if you can't talk about it, just leave it alone.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: no, it's not an assumption. AS OF TODAY GOOGLE IS NOT BUILDING A GAME CONSOLE. Now, that might change tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
The web is just another client. Email is both on & off the web, as is chat. The fact that Wave is on the web is no more interesting than gmail being on the web.
- Cristo
Robert - and if they did. Do you have the content you have been posting?
- Rob Cairns
Jesse: Paul confirmed FriendFeed is dead. He is working on Facebook features.
- scott anderson
If you play such a ridiculous game then there are no absolutes at all and we can't make definitive statements. I'm pretty sure the sun will come up tomorrow BUT IT MIGHT NOT.
- Robert Scoble
All that's missing here is the Beer : )
- Owen Greaves
Rob: no. If FriendFeed's servers died for some reason I'd lose everything. Just like I lost everything on my friend's BBS in the 1980s. Just like I lost everything on Prodigy in the 1980s. Just like I lost everything on CompuServe in the 1990s. You'd think I'd learn.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, and somehow you were able to move on.
- Cristo
I lost on a BBS & CompuServe, I haven't lost much since :)
- Owen Greaves
What the heck would you do with it if you kept it somehow?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Cristo: the crap I write in forums doesn't have that much value. :-)
- Robert Scoble
:)
- Cristo
Robert yes I am a geek I backup up the world I actually follow what I teach people I have never lost ANY Data:) Fortunately my FF aggregates into Twitter and I back all my Twitter posts up. I also keep control of my content and data
- Rob Cairns
I'm more interested in what's next than wondering what FaceBook will do with FF
- Owen Greaves
I am one of the few geeks who practice what they preach I am backup compulsive almost
- Rob Cairns
Owen, The Singularity is next. Just talk to Tad and Lindsay.
- Cristo
I talked to Ray Kurzweil, he is certain of it :)
- Owen Greaves
I'm just concerned about all the FUD being thrown around (I'm not just blaming Robert) when we still aren't sure of FriendFeed's future. If it's a service we like, then why not continue to push it so Facebook knows that? Like I said earlier, I really miss the positive Scoble (the last post on Twitter lists was great, btw). I hope this is all taken with all due respect. I just care a lot for FriendFeed, and I want to show both Facebook and the FriendFeed team that we're still behind them.
- Jesse Stay
Who said I didn't agree with Robert in the first place, Jesse? Why is my name being used?
- Louis Gray
Jesse: I don't believe in blowing smoke up people's asses when I've been told there is "no engineering" underway on FriendFeed. Sorry. If you think I should pretend that there's a future for FriendFeed when I know otherwise then we'll have a fundamental disagreement. And the people who I learned this from are not likely to change direction anytime soon, particularly with the traffic here way down, as it is.
- Robert Scoble
Louis, my bad if that's not the case - perhaps my assumption then. I thought we were both on the same side in the argument the other day. If not I'll correct the post above.
- Jesse Stay
Hey, Jesse, I hate to bug you but before I go read through all 80 comments here... is this thread any different than any of the other 16 "is FF dead" threads from the past 3-4 days?
- Ken Sheppardson
Jessie I do too but their is caring and reality/business model. I love the service but loving a service does not make it viable to run on its own. The problem is no one is saying any thing which is usual not a positive thing either.
- Rob Cairns
Ken: no.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: That may be just wishful thinking that if we use it, make enough noise they will pull back, shift gears or what have you.
- Owen Greaves
Ken, no
- Jesse Stay
Cool. Thanks, guys.
- Ken Sheppardson
And, anyway, the market has already decided. Traffic went down 30 % in a month. Nothing I say now is going to change that. And, to tell you the truth, now that I've learned Twitter's roadmap for the next two months I'm pretty sure Twitter is going to take off again (it already has in the geek community and only a few percent has lists, wait until everyone gets those).
- Robert Scoble
I must say the Twitter LISTS are interesting
- Owen Greaves
Owen, it is wishful thinking - I really like FriendFeed and I'm going to fight it if it looks like it's getting taken away. I'm playing a "wait and see" approach now. IMO it's too early to make assumptions though. Let's see what Facebook releases from the FF team.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it's not going to get taken away. It's just not going to get any new features. At least not unless Facebook has a serious change in direction.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I can appreciate your position on this, maybe I'm just more of a realist and also know that technology never stands still.
- Owen Greaves
Jesse fighting is not going to do it. The reason for the buyout only they know and they have kept the business plans quiet. So my whole thing is why invest ina service you do not know where it is going anymore?
- Rob Cairns
Robert, we'll see though - if Facebook does something better with it and makes me more productive in the Facebook environment the same way I am here I'll just switch, no questions asked (I'm a Facebook fanboy after all). If not, I hope, and I'll fight, to have FriendFeed continue to release new features after the new Facebook integration is in place.
- Jesse Stay
Rob, because right now it's still the best tool for the job - that's why I still use it at least.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I find FaceBook to laborious, I have to work too hard to make it work and those DAMN Farms & Mafia Games....I mean come on!
- Owen Greaves
Jesse but if everyone leaves it and its dying why invest would you invest money in Geocities right now even if it were the best knowing it was gone in a week or so I doubt it.
- Rob Cairns
Owen, block those requests/applications. Cleans up the wall and the invites.
- Mandy Vavrinak
Owen i avoid all the apps on Facebook that are silly
- Rob Cairns
While everyone is making assumptions, I'm going to pull one out my ass ad say that 'to the world' expands far beyond facebook.com. Using FriendFeed-esque features on your site with a FacebookConnect back end?
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Johnny, I thought you were on FFundercatation.
- Cristo
Owen, I am a realist. I recognize the current state of things. I'm just trying to keep people positive until we know for sure what's happening. I'm an optimist. People are welcome to their opinions though. I want these tools to continue growing - if that happens on Facebook, great. If it happens on FriendFeed, fine. I don't think anyone knows the long-term strategy yet though (that can reveal it).
- Jesse Stay
Just walking out the door now... I have a floral shirt and flip-flops on :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Jesse but unfortunately you/we are not in control if you were I could see it. If so concerned why not fight for control and push yourself for a purchase?
- Rob Cairns
Johnny, yeah - I'm really hoping we get everything we have here in the Facebook environment. Integration of FF into Connect would be awesome. If that happens, I'm totally jumping ship.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Outside of FriendFeed, what's the thing that gets your fired up?
- Owen Greaves
Owen, Facebook ;-)
- Jesse Stay
~107 comments and only two Likes. Very iiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting.
- Akiva Moskovitz
lol Jesse
- Rob Cairns
Akiva a good debate stay:)
- Rob Cairns
Now there's only one like. :P
- Cristo
Robert your quiet are you still here?
- Rob Cairns
Why FaceBook, it's not a dumb question, I'm truly curious why you feel FaceBook is the thing that fires you up.
- Owen Greaves
Owen, I think the things Facebook is doing surrounding their developer platform are powerful. Facebook Connect is HUGE. Johnny now has me thinking about FriendFeed and Connect integration - that would be AWESOME! (can you say Wave killer? (maybe))
- Jesse Stay
Rob: no. I'm gone. :-) Actually now I'm really gone to play with the kids.
- Robert Scoble
Have a great night Robert:)
- Rob Cairns
I'm still not sold on WAVE yet, Johnny's got an idea there but that's a temporary thing me thinks
- Owen Greaves
Also, Facebook lets me get into my close relationships - it's the same reason I'm really starting to like FourSquare. It's friends, family, and neighbors - real people. And it allows you to connect with them in ways you never were able to before. It *only* misses a public aspect, but I think that's changing, and *hopefully* FriendFeed is part of that. If not I'd still like them to focus on FriendFeed.com
- Jesse Stay
Jesse the big issue I have with Facebook is it's closed book and its TOS. They seem to close accounts at will with no explanation, they are not consistent, and you can not search Facebook from outside of it.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, I've got your back now - I think we both have the same love for FriendFeed. I also think we both understand FriendFeed isn't releasing new features. This is just the optimist in me speaking out - hopefully that hasn't reflected negatively on you at all. Go have fun with your kids. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse I wish Friend Feed would be a focus I love the service personally but I am also a realist. I am still on FF, I use it every day.
- Rob Cairns
Rob, they have gotten much better with that recently, and they really do listen. Each TOS change is put up for vote before its users, and if enough disagree they change it. What other services do that? Twitter is even worse with account Suspension recently. Have you tried to even contact Twitter support recently? You can't. Account suspension is a huge issue with any growing service trying to keep up with the growth.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse the problem with account suspension is they never give you a reason my other half has been threw it once and we still never received a proper reason. The only way the account was reinstated is she had a paid app and complained to the app provider who was now losing her money. As for the TOS, I still have issues with it now. An account gets deleted and they do not delete the...
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- Rob Cairns
I've updated the post title - some times I just have to think this through. Discussion really helps.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I love your PASSION, thanks for putting up with me, I hope you are right because I love FF too
- Owen Greaves
Rob, have you ever tried to enable record deletion on a 300 million+ growing user database? It's a nightmare. It's much simpler to just disable it. Regarding suspension, it's no worse than Twitter - again, it has to do with their size and relative growth rate.
- Jesse Stay
This would be called wiki blogging (viaf FF) arriving at an understanding through the discourse.
- sofarsoShawn
Owen, that's the one thing you can count on from me. I have intense passion for both FF and FB. They both have their places. I can't wait to see what they do with the merger. I will be just as passionate if I disagree with it though. I'm playing wait and see until that happens. I trust the FF team won't abandon us (nor will Facebook)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse & Robert: I'm not nearly as smart as you two but I am a passionate man with convictions, I'm a technology enthusiast that is passionate about the impact technology will have on society.
- Owen Greaves
sofarsoShawn yeah - this would probably be more effective on Wave :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse thanks for putting up with us:) I love the service and would really like it to be left alone. The industry does need more passionate people. Yes I do understand databases and what it is like but I also understand you can not toss someone without giving them a proper reason too
- Rob Cairns
Jesse: I don't share the same passion with FaceBook, to be honest, I have been lurking to see how it will improve and the ease of use will also get better
- Owen Greaves
Owen, I suggest spending some time learning it - it has its place. It's not FriendFeed (yet) though.
- Jesse Stay
Rob, I agree - I think they're working on those issues. I know they're aware of them.
- Jesse Stay
I will, on your suggestion I will make an effort. Again, thanks for sharing and listening..I'm gonna call it a night. Keep one thing in mind Jesse: How many people are better off because you lived? That's my life's war cry.
- Owen Greaves
Owen, amen to that
- Jesse Stay
Jesse thanks for caring and for your time:) I think everyone has good points just going to take time to shake out:)
- Rob Cairns
Rob Cairns & I are wacky Canadians so we see things from a different perspective. Silicon valley plays by different rules me thinks.
- Owen Greaves
We're all passionate about this - I just had to get it out of my system (I think this is the first actual post I've put on FriendFeed/Twitter about it)
- Jesse Stay
I'm glued to your Blog via Google Reader so I'll pester you again :) If you ever have the time, please do peek at my site: http://blog.owengreaves.com
- Owen Greaves
Jesse we need more passionate people around just keep being you:)
- Rob Cairns
Rob, as long as you and Owen keep being Canadian. ;-) Owen, subscribed.
- Jesse Stay
Hmmm...what does that mean, keep being CDN? LOL! I carry an axe & snow shoes...oh we live in Igloo's here in the Vancouver area :)
- Owen Greaves
Jesse you got it:) I have not spent 22 years in the Technology business to not care:)
- Rob Cairns
Jesse we will make you an honorary Canadian:)
- Rob Cairns
Rob, I will accept - I already know most of the words to the National Anthem (I had a Canadian friend growing up that forced me to learn them all)
- Jesse Stay
Have a great night Jesse:)
- Rob Cairns
You too Rob!
- Jesse Stay
Heyo Jesse, any idea who I can contact to get more twitter API calls per hour? http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
I hope friendfeed kicks it up into high gear, but how are they splitting the developers now? (I'd love to use the social media info here as well to learn more about folks with semantic tools). Two -way search and personalized ads :D
- Mark Essel
I don't use facebook for professional social networking/sharing. It's too personal. If FF goes away and integrates with facebook...FF is done for me. That would be too bad because I use FF daily.
- B2B Specialist
But surely the traffic on FriendFeed is way down because you all began saying it was doomed? (a sort of self fulfilling prophecy if you like) It wouldn't be down if you all carried on as normal would it?
- technogran
technogran that's one reason I'm fighting it
- Jesse Stay
Yes many forget that often things are driven by the users and just what they do. If everyone hadn't begun the 'FF is dead' or the 'FF is doomed' stuff and instead concentrated on encouraging more and more folks to use it, then the powers that be can't ignore that. You should all be busy working on 'spreading the word' about FF especially with the mainstream user such as myself.
- technogran
The thing is if you are passionate and love something, then don't abandon it! Instead use your powers of being a user, unite with other users and make that application so popular that the powers that be sit up and take notice!
- technogran
If Robert is back I didn't quite understand why he left. FF is still here. ;-) Either way I'm not worried, there are lots of lovely people left on FF. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
My usage has gone down, but that is mostly just due to not having the time available. Ever since I got this new job and started freelancing more I don't have to time to spend on social networks.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I'm gonna use FriendFeed much more than I have done in the past and spead the word also encourage others to do the same. Unlike Facebook FF has never really been mainstream has it?
- technogran
FF > FB ∴ FF FTW
SuezanneC Baskerville, Mitchell Tsai, Martha and 99 other people liked this
Heh, is there going to be an argument over dinner when Paul gets home?
- Stephen Mack
Uh-oh. But you tell him, April!!
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Stephen: There's no argument. He knows how I feel.
- April Buchheit
This makes me laugh...this is great stuff.
- Alex Scoble
Agreed, priceless. :)
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
∴ ?
- Kevin Fox
This made my day! Make sure Paul remembers what his team created and don't let FB shut us down. :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Best post of the day!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
is that "greater than" or "write FF to the file FB?"
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: Uh, both? :)
- April Buchheit
Kevin: ∴ FF FTW!
- April Buchheit
April rocks. Go FF and go April. :)
- Louis Gray
Cheer section is getting crowded behind April....
- Harold
Updated (18:16 PST)
- April Buchheit
I'm with you April!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
I think that's the first time I've seen the therefore sign used on FriendFeed :)
- Glenn Slaven
It's just my way of saying I'll take FF over FB anytime, any day.
- April Buchheit
A to the Men!
- Felicia Yue
Standing ovation.
- Bruce Lewis
Indeed Best post of the day. Simply the truth!. :=)
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
April +++++++++++++++++++++!
- AJ Batac
Ooh, hex math. Can I play?
- Glen Mistletoe
Good thing Stephen Mack pointed that out in the top comment. I and possibly others would have missed the connection.
- Vezquex: God of FF
♥
- AJ Batac
'April! April!' chant is going on
- Christopher Galtenberg
*hands April the key to the city*
- Micah Wittman
♥
- Mitch
I fully agree.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
But what did the Walrus say?
- Robert Scoble
By the way, lots of Facebook employees say "FB 2010 >= FF 2010 ∴ FB 2010 FTW." Or "FB 2010 (include FF) > Twitter 2010 ∴ FB FTW
- Robert Scoble
liking for Scoble's last comment. I'm seeing similar
- Jesse Stay
I can believe FB 2011 >= FF 2011. If they can pull it off in 2010 I'll be very impressed.
- Bruce Lewis
The big question is whether that will be "greater than OR equal to" or "greater than AND equal to"
- Jesse Stay
awww, you spelled it out better than any social media expert I know of! (exception maybe Mashable just cuz he wants me)
- sofarsoShawn
Sorry - Facebook won't ever rise to the level of FriendFeed unless they let you turn off all the ads, the lame "invites" for bullshit apps and the lowest common denominator feeling. They can add all of FriendFeed's features, but until they make it look like something that appeals to a tech-savvy audience, who cares?
- Internet's Tad
It'd be wonderful if, instead of dumbing down FriendFeed (by merging it into FB) they could smarten up FaceBook by removing all the retarded cruft.
- Internet's Tad
Tad: have you seen the lightweight Facebook? Or, even better, have you seen the iPhone app? It doesn't have any retarded cruft. I was at Apple's headquarters today. Guess which app was being downloaded faster than almost any other app? Right. Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Tad, you just made me spit out my soda. HA!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I use Facebook as my sorta, Black Book as old timers say, aka booty calls. I made a list :)
- sofarsoShawn
Both Facebook Lite and the iPhone app pale in comparison to plain ole FriendFeed. Why not just change the banner up at the top to say FaceBook Lite and let that be that? There's nothing at all on FaceBook that I'd like to see show up in FriendFeed.
- Internet's Tad
Tad: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users.
- Robert Scoble
300 million users aren't interested in FriendFeed, obviously. But, if they create a FaceBook Lite that's got all of the existing FF functionality without any of the sline/LCD bullshit of FaceBook Classic, and can handle more users, then I'll be all for it. I'm not going to hold my breath. I think the best we'll end up with is FaceBook Lite updating in real time with hordes of Mafia invites, virtual gift spam and ads for the new Booty Blaster 2010 app. Let's hope they prove me wrong!
- Internet's Tad
April FTW - I realize I'm late for that. But yay for the FF wimmin! And the therefore sign! (How do you even do that on a keyboard? Mac please)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
+1 Tad - That's the fear, Facebook will morph the features to an audience that will use it very different than FF. Although I can see how FB can really benefit from the design and features of FF, the community result will change due to the culture FB has already created.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Tad, is the issue a tech-savvy audience or just a non-stupid one? I sure hope, if your vision comes to pass, they intro a Smart Hide feature where we can hide all that crap in one or two clicks, separating stupid content from its posters. AS in, Yes I want to see my niece's new baby; No, I don't EVER want to play even one game she invites people to.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Tad: I never get Mafia invites or virtual gift spam. I don't know why you even care about those things? They certainly never show up on the iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, something like that Mary.
- Internet's Tad
Robert, I have high school friends and other acquaintances who constantly invite me for Pillow Fights or Mafia games or whatever. I don't really want to know that FriendA just harvested a marsh mellow field or that FriendB just assassinated someone else. My FaceBook smartphone app is full of mostly FriendFeed repeats from my FF friends. Why go to FB to see that?
- Internet's Tad
Tad: I just ignore those requests.
- Robert Scoble
I don't care for any of the apps myself and to be honest some people's posts are just plain insipid. If I see a pattern of vapidity from one individual, I hide them. I honestly don't care that they hate Mondays or are hungry and need food. Blah!
- April Buchheit
Also, I've NEVER seen any conversation on FB last as long as this one has.
- Internet's Tad
I do ignore the requests, but back to your Living Room analogy. Just as you won't tolerate awful people in your living room are you content to have salespeople in your living room, even if they're easily ignorable off in the corner?
- Internet's Tad
Scoble: I saw a great quote in CloudAve today about "follow the people who are changing the world, not milking fake cows". Facebook is one of those places where I have quite a few "real life" friends that....well....aren't changing the world. And I'm OK with that, I think FB was designed to "have fun with Friends" more than many social apps. I also don't think I need to create two...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
MaryB, I just copied and pasted from Kevin Fox's comment. :) Originally, I just posted "FF > FB" and then Kevin Fox made his comment, so I updated my post accordingly.
- April Buchheit
Right - FB is just a place to catch up with old friends who aren't really tech savvy. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's like Sun City here in AZ. I go to visit my in-laws there, and I'm glad it's there, but I'm not gonna go hang out with that crowd (old, retired folks) all the time.
- Internet's Tad
manielse: true. But this is one reason why many people tell me they like Twitter better than FriendFeed: they can control who gets on their screen. Here you really can't. I can show up in almost anyone's threads, which reduces utility for them. That's not true over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
On Twitter, it would have been nigh impossible to have a conversation this rich. It'd degenerate into a lot of u's and 2's and 4's, etc. Twitter has a lot of smart content, but it's in short bursts.
- Internet's Tad
That's the magic of FF Tad, it's a hybrid of the tools of today (Twitter, FB) and some we don't talk about any more (IRC, Usenet, Bulletin Boards) that allowed better engagement with a fully public audience.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert, you can't control who gets on your Home feed - which is exactly the charm of FF, I think, and I hear a lot of people talk about the serendipity of friends of friends, so I think I'm not alone in that. But I also have heard you talk about collaboration rooms, and Tina about lists, which suggests to me that if we're willing to apply a little elbow grease, we can get pretty specific about who we see and who we don't. So I think that's a bit of a copout for the folks who say they prefer Twitter.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Mary: it's the charm but also what kept FriendFeed from really going mainstream. I heard that over and over and over again.
- Robert Scoble
Tad: Twitter is a great way to tell your audience to go someplace. Lots of URLs there. So, what is wrong with bringing your Twitter audience over here when you specifically want a chat? That's what I do.
- Robert Scoble
The main feed in FB vs in FF is a great point Mary. I use Greasemonkey script Facebook Purity to clean the fake cow\quiz junk btw, a great script!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
You know how I know FB's better? There's more babby shares. :)
- sofarsoShawn
There's nothing wrong with that Robert. I like Twitter for the most part. I just don't like FaceBook, and unless I see a compelling reason to use it a lot, I won't.
- Internet's Tad
Best. Post. Ever. Thanks April. (Why do the women always have the sense in the family?)
- Martha
There was a lot of chatter about the future of FriendFeed this weekend. The short answer is that the team is working on a couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world. Transformation is not the end. Consider this the chrysalis stage -- if all goes well, a beautiful butterfly will emerge :)
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What is transforming... FriendFeed, or the idea of FriendFeed?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Thanks for the update, Paul!
- Anne Bouey
THANK YOU!
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Fabulous News :)
- Susan Beebe
Noticed the "leaked" Facebook UI screenshots and the groups blog post today, and both seem FriendFeed inspired: nice to see Facebook trying to bring the stuff we like about FriendFeed to a larger audience.
- Mark Trapp
To Robert Scoble: I told you so ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sounds like they're adding some of FF's features to FaceBook. yay
- Internet's Tad
from fftogo
Mark - got link?
- Susan Beebe
Thanks Paul :)
- ashish
Devil is in the details: "couple of longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" == Facebook projects with FriendFeed-like elements == no work on FriendFeed itself.
- EricaJoy
Paul, FriendFeed rocks as Gmail does ;)
- Orlando Pozo
Thanks for the update, the more you communicate, the less we have to speculate.
- Peter Hoffmann
The fact that these improvements are coming to Facebook and not friendfeed will not sway those who like friendfeed but dislike Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
Thank you Paul for bringing "FriendFeed goodness to the larger world" -- THAT sounds awesome!!
- Susan Beebe
integration with facebook?
- Rocco Galluzzo
@Alex Scoble: That's true
- Jorge Escobar
I hope out of the chrysalis emerges an infested Kerrigan. That'd be awesome http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki...
- Ivan Kirigin
Thanks Mark, much appreciated... I'll check those out
- Susan Beebe
+1 Ivan :)
- Benjamin Golub
But we knew this was the deal the moment the full details of the purchase of friendfeed by Facebook became public.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, I don't give a crap about Facebook. I want to know about FriendFeed.
- Rochelle
Is it the interface people dislike about Facebook or the people they're friends with on Facebook? I can imagine being able to import all your subscribers from FriendFeed and have them in a separate group that doesn't interact with other groups you may have on Facebook.
- Cristo
sadly, no one with any power seems to care about FF anymore.
- Joe Silence is not dead
I'm glad to hear this. I prefer FriendFeed to Facebook any day of the week.
- Nathan Clayton
And the answer for me would be some of both. I have real life friends and family that I don't necessarily want to get into the same discussions with as I do with people here.
- Cristo
And there's your answer, Rochelle. friendwho? friendwhat now? Oh, you mean Facebook! (No I mean friendfeed) friendwho? (rinse, lather, repeat)
- Alex Scoble
there are some ui differences (and i tend to prefer friendfeed in those cases) but i have friended quite a few FF people in FB and the experience is remarkably similar in many ways.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Another big difference is I don't think you get the same FOAF interaction on Facebook as on FriendFeed.
- Cristo
yep
- Jason Wehmhoener
I hope my FaceBook peeps are ready for the FriendFeed firehose ... past experience would say that they're in for a shock.
- Crutis
Thanks for the transparency on the Friendfeed "ghost town" matter Paul. Much appreciated.
- Alex Knight
Thanks Paul... bring the special sauce to Facebook: http://blogs.zdnet.com/weblife...
- Andrew
I like the "chrysalis stage" analogy - sounds cool.... goes an looks for FF goodness butterfly!
- Susan Beebe
Good to know that FriendFeed still has some fight left; hope that translates into a viable and sustainable platform/utility for the masses (though I quite enjoy the close-knit, uber-geek community that it's become).
- Christian
I don't like the chrysalis analogy. The butterfly emerges from the chrysalis and buggers off leaving the shell. Of course, it might then also get eaten by a bird. Tweet, tweet.
- Mark H
Mark LOL nice, ... haha
- Susan Beebe
Note that he didn't say that FriendFeed.com was going away, only that they're diverted to bringing it to a much larger audience
- Jesse Stay
The problem is Scoble (Robert) and MG both just sent half of FriendFeed away so most of those that would benefit from this announcement won't even see it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I didn't get that from Paul's comment. I read that some of the friendfeed ideas will be going into FB. I like that idea, but I still prefer FF to FB because of the different conversations here that I don't have with friends and family.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Yeah, Paul's statement won't help friendfeed. This will just either give people more reason to go to Facebook or find another service entirely.
- Alex Scoble
What Alex and Rochelle said. This sounds like a "we're bringing FF to Facebook" announcement, and I don't give a damn about Facebook. I want to know what's happening HERE. And Cristo, both, but more the interface. I care about the friends I've made here, and I'm connected with many of them now on Facebook as well, but I prefer to interact with them here, because I like it better.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Travis, he didn't say that - you read that, but he didn't say that. I'm willing to bet FriendFeed.com will not go away.
- Jesse Stay
As much as I agree about Scoble and MG driving people away, they have also effectively flush out some comment from the FF team.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
Travis, there are better ways of getting the FF team to comment
- Jesse Stay
:( I quite liked the caterpillar.
- Nick Lothian
I think it's the opposite, the butterfly is becoming this crawling caterpillar :)
- Jorge Escobar
Oh I don't think FF will go away, and damn will hope it doesn't either!
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
What I do see is more Facebook integrated into the FriendFeed environment - I think that's a good thing
- Jesse Stay
The critical difference between Facebook and FriendFeed is the social model. With Facebook as it is today, you need to be mutual friends to see each others content. There is a "fan page" model but it is oriented toward "publishing/celebrity" rather than information sharing. FriendFeed has an asymmetric model like Twitter, where you can easily discover someone's content without any "friend" gesture whatsoever, and you can follow without friending. This makes the converation more discoverable, and useful..
- Adina Levin
Agree Adina.
- Travis Koger
from iPhone
If the integration is bringing public/asymmetric to Facebook, then it will be very useful indeed. If the integration is to add FriendFeed-style service integration into the symmetric/private Facebook model, it will be much less useful - it's more of the same - I'll be able to more easily share updates from youtube or last.fm or delicious to my friend network, but be unable to discover new people and infomation.
- Adina Levin
Adina: And unless Facebook goes radically toward that model, it won't suffice for me. I could not care less about their upcoming redesigns.
- Christopher A Carr
@Jesse - I can't see any sign that they are working on FriendFeed at all. All the indications are that the FF team is now working on Facebook, and only Facebook. That's great for Facebook, and I'm sure they will do wonderful work there. But don't delude yourself that FriendFeed is going to get anything more than critical fixes, and maybe the occasional thing done in someone's spare time.
- Nick Lothian
Butterflies look totally different than caterpillars and they also fly away
- Melanie Reed
Crickets chirping... is this site alive?? :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
+100 Adina. The things I like best about FriendFeed (easy content/people discovery, FoaF, asymmetrical following and being followed) are completely opposite to Facebook's core model. That's why as much as people keep talking about Facebook adding FF-like features, I don't see the REAL FF core features making it over, because the mindset is different.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I don't see this announcement as anything new, or as reassuring. We knew from the time of the acquisition that there would be would be some movement of FF capabilities into FB. The real question is whether this means absorption of FF into FB or attracting the FB user base into FF. The comment about "bring[ing] FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" still leaves that question open.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
+1 everything Alex Scoble has said. Friendwhat? What's a feed? Who uses RSS anymore? We've got PubSubWTFOMGBBQ now!
- Mr. Gunn
Agree with Jandy on +100 Adina.
- Amy℠
Also, I agree with Jandy and Adina's comments.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Nick, Paul just said they're working on other projects right now. That still doesn't mean FriendFeed is going away. I'm not deluding myself at all. I'm telling everyone else they're deluding themselves by assuming it's going away. All the FriendFeed team is still using FriendFeed, and Paul just tried to give us comfort not to worry. For some reason we all don't want to believe him. It's actually kind of amusing.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder what the powers that be mean by "FriendFeedy goodness"? Is it understood what WE like about it vs. FB?
- Amy℠
Paul - Wishing you all the best as you tend your new butterfly garden :) I'll be here to enjoy them!
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: "For some reason we all don't want to believe him." <-- Don't want to believe what? He didn't really say anything.
- Christopher A Carr
This is not the news that Friendfeed fans were looking for.
- Vezquex: God of FF
The issue isn't belief that they are going to do something. The question is what they are going to do, and whether that will continue the core value of FriendFeed, which is not just information aggregation but discoverability.
- Adina Levin
I know more about the "Last Days" and heaven than I know about what's going to happen to FriendFeed as we have come to know it than was given in your rather cryptic answer, Paul. :) And while that may not be a fair comparison (God actually gave details and signs), there is something definitely not forthcoming about your response. A person usually withholds details that affect another...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie, in other words, Paul works for a technology company in Silicon Valley that doesn't disclose future features, products, and services until they are ready.
- Cristo
Hopefully this helps to quiet all of the "friendfeed is dying" talk. Because this thread proves ff is alive and well.
- Garin Kilpatrick
@Jesse - I read it differently to you. To me, Paul is saying "We are taking what we were working towards on FriendFeed, and trying to bring that goodness to a bigger audience". No one is claiming they are going to shut down FF.
- Nick Lothian
@Jesse - Want to make a bet on the number of new features added to FF before the end of the year?
- Nick Lothian
Cristo, to deliver some straightforward talk is not about giving away company details. If you have a product that is original and stands on its own, you don't need to refer to it as a "butterfly". Many companies even promote something new and upcoming especially to their loyal user base. It gives a signal. A proper one. It tells your users and future users enough so that they can make an informed decision about what they want to do instead of keeping them on tenderhooks
- Melanie Reed
"the chrysalis stage in most butterflies is one in which there is little movement" (via wikipedia) So if you follow that metaphor then eventually FriendFeed will go through a metamorphosis -- that means it's not dead... really how hard can it be to get what he's saying?
- Chris Heath
Its pretty hard :) The burning question is if they are putting FF goodness in to the walled gardens that are Facebook or are they bringing FF openness to FB too. I think the people here want the open forums that are FF not the closed ones that are FB. If FB is going hybrid with both walled gardens and open forums that would be OK too. People on FF want open forums... like Twitter and FF... without the crude interface that is Twitter and without the uncertainty that is FF now.
- Ed Millard
Facebook is gonna have to rip off much of the privacy to maximize their product in the real-time web world. I am going to assume FF goodness is going to be applied to FB :) *crosses fingers*
- Susan Beebe
Just a thought... why does "longer-term projects that will help bring FriendFeedy goodness to the larger world" JUST mean facebook.com? What I get from this is that they are working on a range of things, maybe bringing the FriendFeed sauce to a range of sites, powered by the Facebook back end. Who knows what that means. A FriendFeed service powered by FacebookConnect? Also to......
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- Johnny Worthington
LMFAO. Johnny++
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
FB needs to leave the privacy for the walled garden and the inner circle. Their current user base likes that. They just need a second feed that is an open forum and you can talk there without it bleeding in to your inner circle feed.
- Ed Millard
Seems like the inner circle is breaking down some now, what with parents and other relatives friending teenagers. I'm guessing the information posted on the walls these days is not as private. Is there a way on FriendFeed to limit what on your wall can be seen by particular people and groups?
- Cristo
Yes, but blocking doesn't work so well since you can just use Chrome's Incognito mode to get around it.
- Alex Scoble
Translation: if you haven't switche to Facebook yet, you better do it now so you can get a good vanity URL.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I don't know what all the fuss is about. But could we have the long answer too, please?
- Laura Norvig
Although I'm interested, FB != FF. I don't see how the two mix in a way that makes me feel otherwise. Mixing audiences is not a good thing for me (with a few exceptions) and I know others share the same thought.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Did anyone notice that Robert Scoble didn't comment on this thread? What does this mean? Does it mean Robert Scoble won't exist soon? He must be working on a Monday afternoon, no? ;)
- Cristo
Paul, will FF be here in 1 year, 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, will you and I be alive in 5 years?
- Cristo
Thanks for the update Paul..
- Chris Myles
Cristo I am funking nobody, I would like Paul to quantify his post. Simple. Will FF be here in 1 year? Will FF be here in 5 years?
- Robert Higgins
Robert, I was trying to make the point that he might not know and can't predict what will happen over time.
- Cristo
IMO friendfeed shoud attract more general audience... Facebook and twitter are having more general users. Most of the FF users are tech bloggers or those who needs aggregation services... I dont know it's just my feeling or not . but this is my impression on FF. but it's great service.. the features are too good... but we will roam were we meet our friends... thats most of the people are into twitter and FB.
- Sarath
Sarath, is there a place you can get away from tech bloggers? :)
- Cristo
Ohhhh a perrrttty butterfly, I'm moist with anticipation.
- sofarsoShawn
Glad to hear it, Paul.
- WorldofHiglet
Cristo: i almost made the same observation an hour or two ago when i first read through this posting and its comments. I was skimming and kept seeing alex, alex, alex... and thinking to myself... where's Robert!?!
- Chris Heath
Great news. Thanks! friendfeed team. :D
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
@Sarath - I have a lot more in common with the people I've met here on FriendFeed than FB or Twitter. Twitter is too hard to search, and FB (and Twitter to a good extent) is driven by the people you know in RL (and unfortunately I don't have nearly as much in common in RL with my family, co-workers and acquaintences as I do with people scattered all over the world who I have met on FF)....
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- Lindsay
I think that in his cryptic statement he means, and a lot of people here agree with me, that more Facebook's going to get more FriendFeedy. Which doesn't mean that FF still isn't dead or doomed. After all, he works for Facebook now. FriendFeed=open forum, Facebook=walled garden, totally opposite master metaphors; but I don't think Zuckerberg gets it, and FF belongs to Zuckerberg now. So this is really about FB; FF's still in limbo. Still, some FF people friended me at FB, and I put them in a special list.
- Dennis Jernberg
@FF-team keep on rocking :). BTW I also think it's really cool you guys open-sourced tornado.
- alfred westerveld
+1 what alfred said, and good to hear words like "longer-term" & "beautiful" coming straight from The Walrus - keep that vision strong. Hope all goes well for FF team doing some good re-inventing the Octopus Garden of FB - seems you've got your work cut out for you there! It would be so nice if any way to keep a "simple & pure" form of FriendFeed alive (maintained and developed - more open source?) for us to enjoy, but no worries .... you've simultaneously raised the bar and paved the way for the rest!
- Dan Freeman
Good luck with the development Paul! Hopefully Zuck has some positive insight.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I like butterflies.
- Harold Cabezas
Paul: If someone offered me a bag of money to do what you guys did, I would have done exactly the same (probably a lot faster too). However, it would be nice if you spent an hour answering some of the questions here. It might also give people like me a little more faith, in what used to be your primary project; Friendfeed. You made the best platform on the planet - why not use it to let us know what the heck's going on?
- Jim Connolly
I'm assuming that Facebook wants to keep their roadmap quiet. I respect that but leaving you community in the dark for a brand that the applications stand for community building is rather ironic.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
SUPER!! I don't Blame ya 1 Darn bit fer Dumpin' FacePOOP Paul!! ;PPP Wait FacePOOP is the Maggot Stage!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
If I can still have all my friends that I have here on friendfeed and share things with them the exact same way, I don't care what "www" address I have to type in to get it. I just hope i don't have to give up any of FF's awesome features! Thanks for the update Paul!
- David Cook
The problem is I don't know whether to wrote an app on your API or not because i'm not sure whether it will all be dropped in the "transformation". Imagine speding late nights and weekends coding something up only for it to be dropped suddenly. Need a decent long term picture. Looking at Cliqset.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
Good point Steven - and one of the reasons many of us are spending so little time developing our networks here.
- Jim Connolly
waiting....
- ffcode
ffcode: Good luck with that ;-)
- Jim Connolly
So the changes are at Facebook not FriendFeed, Paul?
- Kol Tregaskes
And good luck to all of your team
- Ozkan Altuner
from iPhone
This is a truly disappointing/concerning post and I think it would have been much better to hold comment until something more tangible could be discussed. Thanks for adding to the confusion/drama Paul.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
yemezler
- MobilAdam
I do care about what happens next, but this is the best news of the day nonetheless ! thanks for giving us updates at last ! and I do hope FF will awaken again ! such a great tool, but letdown since the announcement of the buyback by FB
- laetSgo
will I see this post in my "best of week" email from FF?
- Kirill Bolgarov
If Facebook is going to get fixed, please remember that it needs fixing politically, not just technically. It needs to give people the option to open their data to Google - for instance. A walled garden where the walls are fixed in place sucks.
- Tim Tyler
@Paul, or perhaps an Alien will erupt forth from its stomach? (kidding, kidding!)
- j1m
You are being monitored - http://ffffound.com/image...
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Monitoring my boss is what I'd like to do.
- Mohsein Sani
from fftogo
lol, classic
- echostreamer
LMAO
- Farzad
Does it have a camera? (My hefty old Mac monitor had a microphone... ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
bwaaahaha
- Fossil Huntress
HAH
- Nicholas Kreidberg
OH HAI!!! - http://ffffound.com/image...
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OH HELL NAH!!!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
HAHA!
- WorldofHiglet
Wow!! And I thought I had problems!!! :(
- John Tastad
Re: Mobile, Mobile, Mobile - http://gregorytomlinson.com/encoded...
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"I think labeling early adopters as hipsters is not accurate. Early adopters, myself included, really believe in products well before others do. Sometimes we are right, and sometimes we are wrong - be it due to market changes or the product potentially not developing as expected. I believe in what Friendfeed was supposed to have been. I like what it turned out to be. But there is a big gap between what I thought was its full potential and where we are now. It is disappointing, yet you won't see me ditching the service. It is still very powerful, even as there is lower engagement."
- Louis Gray
I actually like his hipsters analogy. I think it's pretty spot on. It's not that all early adopters are like hipsters, but most are. Especially the early adopters that weren't in on it from the VERY beginning. The ones who joined just past the point of no one's ever heard of it, if that makes sense.
- Chieze Okoye
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