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The Week: The Canadian province of Ontario banned pit bulls. Result: "a huge fall in dog-related injuries."
Pit bulls are a much maligned breed. The province would do better to ban pit bull "trainers" who actually taunt these dogs into aggressive meanness.
- Chris Shipley
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"Well, there's still hope for you: http://guglit.com/sParJ"
- Chris Shipley
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"MrUpsetter, follow and learn: http://guglit.com/HiMsP"
- Chris Shipley
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"Just for you: http://www.guglit.com/DAgHN"
- Chris Shipley
In double transplant, left hand works first - http://digg.com/health...
"Ok, for all of you who are confused about a 'dutch rudder' http://guglit.com/GTRgs"
- Chris Shipley
NLP mp3's and Hypnosis mp3's now available on AmazonMP3.com - http://digg.com/health...
"For $.99? I've listened to some of these, and they're really good."
- Chris Shipley
Insalata alle uova, la ricetta per la vostra Pasquetta - http://digg.com/food_dr...
"For all you ignorant Americans, http://guglit.com/gcjeA"
- Chris Shipley
F-16s Chasing Stolen Plane in Illinois - http://digg.com/world_n...
"And you would rather what? that they ran them into buildings? Sometimes anti-climactic is good."
- Chris Shipley
F-16s Chasing Stolen Plane in Illinois - http://digg.com/world_n...
"Here is how. http://guglit.com/QBmqS"
- Chris Shipley
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"Sheesh. http://guglit.com/FjFje"
- Chris Shipley
Herpes infected monkeys escape research facility - http://digg.com/general...
"Fortunately, a bunch of condoms escaped soon after."
- Chris Shipley
scary headline
- sean percival
F-16s Chasing Stolen Plane in Illinois - http://digg.com/world_n...
"Grand theft airplane?"
- Chris Shipley
Google Car Pulled Over by the Cops - Now in Street View - http://digg.com/tech_ne...
"I suggest Google learns from this: http://www.guglit.com/OJDpk"
- Chris Shipley
Guglit - A way to create snarky replies to stupid questions - http://www.guglit.com/
Shows semi-sarcastically how to use Google to find something. Can post customized comment. Pretty funny.
- Chris Shipley
Sports drinks lead to tooth erosion - http://digg.com/olympic...
"Lets file this under obvious, but in case the guy needs help: http://guglit.com/nheil"
- Chris Shipley
Jon Stewart to Rush Limbaugh: GTFO - http://digg.com/comedy...
"Here is a message for Rush Limbaugh: http://guglit.com/nPhJb"
- Chris Shipley
Extremely Rare Dolphins Found by the Thousands - http://digg.com/environ...
"This link is for you: http://www.guglit.com/DAgHN"
- Chris Shipley
The Lowdown on Energy Drinks - http://digg.com/health...
"You tell us: http://guglit.com/MdsIj"
- Chris Shipley
Proposition 8 - It’s Not Exactly Cut and Dry | Stay N' Alive - http://staynalive.com/article...
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From my view it's a lot more cut and dry than this article paints it. Briefly: the anecdotal case about a kindergartner in Massachusetts being exposed to the existence of a same-sex marriage is hardly a justification for a constitutional amendment revoking the rights of three million people, even if you see same-sex marriage as a bad thing, which is contestable. Second, this nation...
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- Kevin Fox
There is only one problem. When a church says no to a same-sex wedding they end up getting sued or the like. The homosexual community is two faced. When it comes to them and their rights, they are the upholders of human rights. But when someone doesn't agree with their lifestyle, they are right there to deny their rights.
- Gavin
What church has been sued for not wanting to perform a same-sex marriage? I know that on Mormon forums that's oft-repeated statement, but there's no basis in fact. We have separation of church & state in this country. The law that Prop. 8 is fighting against, does NOT force churches to hold same-sex ceremonies, nor does it force the churches to recognize same-sex marriages. Anyone arguing otherwise is an outright liar.
- Captain Bubbles
I thought that was an odd statement too. That would be like suing a Catholic church for not baptizing me since I'm Buddhist.
- Rodfather
Gavin: Can you elaborate on the two-faced nature? The two examples you just cited seem to me to both be about same-sex couples being discriminated against as a class. Even if your 'gays suing churches for not marrying them' is pervasive (which I haven't seen) how does banning same-sex marriage in any location or context justified? It's like saying 'I hate those kids coming in to my grown-up comic book store and suing me when I kick them out, so let's pass a law banning kids from reading comic books.'
- Kevin Fox
My feeling on this is there will be a time when we look back on how this country treated homosexuals the way we presently look back on how this country treated women and black people. And by the way, it was generally "the church" that spoke out virulently against giving voting rights, civil liberties, etc.
- Jeremy Toeman
+1 Jeremy
- dkb
If a church chooses not to recognize/perform gay marriages, they don't have to. If there are any legal cases of a church being sued to go against its basic principles, please do point me toward them. We cannot, as a democratic, multi-faith nation, allow any religious creeds to influence civil rights. Kevin brings up an excellent analogy re Muslim headscarves. If you're conflicted religiously regarding homosexuality, it's an issue to take up with your god, not in the private homes and lives of others.
- Carla Thompson
Carla, this is true as long as the church doesn't get federal money for any reason. If they want the federal money, they need to play by the fed's rules on discrimination.
- Alex Scoble
Can someone explain the big deal to me about a kindergartener being "exposed to the existence" of SSM? I mean, I grew up with friends of my parents in a committed same-sex relationship. I'm not a serial killer. My kids know that some kids have a mom and a dad, some have one or the other, and some have two moms or two dads. They don't think a thing about it. It's amazing how kids don't react when their parents aren't freaking out about something.
- Cyndy
Alex, the money the churches (and ONLY Christian ones who push a GOP agenda) receive is not tied into this. Bush's Faith-Base Initiative actually has the loophole in it that churches can still receive Fed. $$$ without adhering to Fed. rules.
- Captain Bubbles
Alex, makes sense. But why would a church need federal money?
- Carla Thompson
Carla, often it's not a church in a strict sense. I went to college at Emory and we had a chapel on campus. Since the school received federal funding for certain grants etc. the chapel had to perform same-sex marriages or no marriages at all.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Carla, et. al, I shared a link in the blog of an example of a church getting sued. Here it is (scroll down the page): http://www.npr.org/templat... I'll see if I can pull a few more examples. Again, I'm not for or against this - I just don't think it's cut or dry, and the church getting sued thing is the most convincing factor towards any one side for me.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
can someone please tell me where the harm is in a kid being taught that if you love someone then they should be allowed to express their love in their own way? How can it possibly harm a person? seriously?
- alphaxion
I don't understand the mentality that same-sex marriage threatens the sanctity of marriage. I too believe this is about discrimination. I always remember a story of a couple in their 70's who has been together for 30 years and felt it wasn't fair they weren't able to marry until now.
- Rodfather
It has happened to people in Canada in a variety of instances, where they have gotten sued for not supporting same-sex marriage, and the homosexual agenda. For instance, a church who said no to a same-sex couple when requesting use of their church for the marriage. Another was a print shop which refused to print some material about homosexuality because it was against the owners belief. In both instances these people were sued!
- Gavin
one thing is to be sued, and another losing. what happened in those cases?
- Alejandro
In both those cases they lost. And even if they won, they still spent their life savings defending themselves.
- Gavin
So you don't really know what happened. Where's your source?
- Alejandro
In this article there are more cases of church or church organizations being sued: http://churchstate.org/site...
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
"Oh, and I support marrying clones whenever that comes around, too." and it'll be 30 years after clone-nonclone marriage is protected [after the landmark State of OK vs Angelina Jolie ∞34327, ∞44290, ∞77200-78329 class-action lawsuit] before people will finally protect the rights for people to marry clones of themselves [State of NJ vs Jayden Federline and Jayden Federline ∞1].
- Kevin Fox
those churches are being sued because of discrimination, making them lose their rights to tax exceptions. Which I think is right. Gavin is talking about churches being sued fro not allowing same-sex marriages taking place in their premises. We need sources for that information.
- Alejandro
The churches getting sued is immaterial to the legality of same-sex marriage. Prop 8 would ban civil ceremonies as well as ceremonies conducted by houses of worship which don't discriminate against this minority.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin, don't forget marriage to those underage, or even marriage to multiple wives. The line has to be drawn somewhere. In the end, *everything* is a moral issue.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
"The Homosexual Agenda>" http://www.bettybowers.com/homoage...
- John Craft
they fear that making same-sex marriages legal is going to lead to churches being forced to perform them. I think that's silly, because they are protected by the First Amendment, but that's what they believe,
- Alejandro
Here's the thing I simply don't understand. We're talking about verbage here, that's all. In the end, regardless of Prop. 8, Gays can still have all the priviliges as any married individual. Why is the term, "married" such an important term? Again, I don't have to vote on this so I don't care as much, but this matter simply makes no sense to me.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse replace "Gays" with "Blacks" and see how your argument sounds. should be pretty self-evident after that
- Jeremy Toeman
The verbage thing is why I think it's a religious thing - "civil union" sounds more legal than "marriage". I think of "marriage" as religious. Both essentially mean the same thing IIUC - one just has religious connotations.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Jeremy, I don't see how this is a "black" or "white" or "male" or "female" issue though. First, it's still hotly contested that there is a Gay gene out there. Second, even if there is (which I'd really like to think), there are other issues at stake. There are affects on society, the way children are raised, the number of people that aren't born gay but later on are influenced to be...
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- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
"Why is the term, "married" such an important term?" - Anything else is "separate but equal."
- John Craft
Jesse, 'marriage' has societal connotations that aren't limited to religion. I got married 5 weeks ago and neither my wife and I are religious, yet the distinction of 'marriage' is much more important to us than the 'domestic partnership' or 'civil union' we could have labeled our union. As for where to draw the line: where would you propose to draw it? I don't think marriage with...
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- Kevin Fox
Jason, or how about we just call anything outside a church, "a civl union" - the two have equal meanings. Marriage began as a religious definition - while it may not be thought of as such now, that's where it began. Why it's necessary to be called "married", or "civil unionized (or whatever the word)" doesn't make sense to me. The two terms are equal.
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
@Jesse http://www.webmd.com/parenti...
- Alejandro
Jesse, if the two terms are equal to you, why do you want to regulate the rights of a group of people to use one of the terms? Doesn't that very regulation render them uneuqal? Also, they're not that equal in the first place: http://www.google.com/trends... I could say that secular marriages should be called 'lawbondings' and say they're just like marriages...
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- Kevin Fox
@Kevin After allowing gay marriage, why can't I marry multiple wives, marry my dog, my house?? Marry a minor, have sex with a minor. It's all discrimination isn't it? The line for marriage has been drawn at one man and one women for thousands of years. Why should we draw it again?
- Gavin
"you can't choose later in life that you want to become black." - Are you seriously claiming that people choose to become gay?
- John Craft
I think part of the importance of the term "married" has to do with the legal status that it has, for example when it comes to filing taxes and the like. I think one option out of this debacle would just to take government out of marriage altogether. If marriage has to do with religion, then let the religions decide how they want to do it, and remove any mention of it from the government. That would be fine with me.
- Robert Felty
"why can't I marry multiple wives, marry my dog, my house??" - Because a dog or a house can't give consent (much less understand the concept). "Marry a minor, have sex with a minor." - the state has a compelling interest in protecting minors, but in fact it's not illegal in some (many?) jurisdictions to marry a minor with parental consent.
- John Craft
Gavin: Are you seriously asking me why I feel more strongly that my sister should be permitted to marry her life-partner than that she should be able to marry a dog or a house? I'm done with this conversation. I'll leave it to others to carry the torch because I have better ways to fight discrimination in this country than responding to stupid arguments.
- Kevin Fox
John - Legal standing. Our system provides equal protection under the law. Your house is not entitled, neither is your dog. Bigamy is specifically illegal. Are you advocating making it illegal for two people of the same sex to be married (with attendant jail time)?
- Brian Roy
@Jesse why does being gay have to be a genetic issue to have merit??? let's assume it *was* a choice, so what?
- Jeremy Toeman
Could someone please tell me what the "homosexual agenda" is because apparently I missed that meeting.
- Chris Shipley
Chris, it's right next to the "Mormon agenda" meeting - how could you miss it? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Chris, it's linked upthread - here it is again. - http://www.bettybowers.com/homoage...
- John Craft
@Gavin: could you provide a reference for the cases you cite? It is my understanding that the 2004 Canadian Supreme Court ruling specifically granted clergy the rights to refuse to perform or recognize ceremonies for almost any reason (http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_mar...).
- Neil Kandalgaonkar
Religion is more of a choice than sexuality. Dogs and Houses can't give consent and some people are more concerned with trying to control others than themselves. Here is a good blog entry on why religious people need to worry more about civil liberties and less about what I do in my bedroom. http://tinyurl.com/5c7llb
- Sidney
Just read 8th story today "analyzing" DEMO v TC. How many of these supposed journalist/bloggers did any real reporting (i.e. called)? Zero.
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I didn't call. What is your point of view? Blog that and we will link to you. Chris runs the Demo conference.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still waiting for someone to ask me what I think of the whole thing.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
So, Robert, if not posted in a blog, a point of view doesn't exist/matter? What happened to original reporting or fact checking?
- Chris Shipley
What I wrote is mostly my opinion and market feedback I am hearing. I didn't talk with either you or Mike because I don't think it would have added to what I was writing about. But I am interested in what calling you would have added to my article?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Chris might say something that informs your point of view, even slightly. That would make it worth the call, no?
- Sam Whitmore
Sam: it probably would but this is a two-way conversation. Why does every blog post need to be a NYT article? Sometimes I just want to tell my readers what I think and I want to start a conversation. Not report on what everyone else's point of view is.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think a blog is necessarily the same as a newspaper or magazine. While I think it's important to have a consistent standard of ethics - of fact-checking on stories, etc. - a blog is typically your personal point of view. It's more an op/ed and less a newspaper report. You don't have to proactively go after every possible point of view, or be objective or neutral, so long as people know this.. I think bloggers _are_ trusted more when they are honest, open, check their facts.
- Justin Long
I think we have seen that social media, like FF, like Twitter, like Memeorandum and others are spectacular vehicles to create and support echo chamber thinking and echo chamber creation. Many bloggers do good work, but many do shoddy miserable work - and so far I don't see the bad ones punished by the readership.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Soulhuntre: you are probably right but tonight I waited on the phone an hour to participate in a radio talk show. Here you can correct and be part of the story.
- Robert Scoble
Daniel, what did you think of the whole thing?
- Todd Hoff
Chris: I just searched Google for your phone number. It can't be found. So, how are we supposed to call you? For the record, my phone number has always been on my blog. You can search Google for it and call me. It's +1-425-205-1921. That's one thing you can do to make it easier for journalists and bloggers to call you and get your point of view.
- Robert Scoble
Chris, how many calls did you receive from so-called "true" journalists? When I read newspapers and other work from the "traditional" media, it often seems that the reporter simply regurgitates the press release.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
I'm going through all the startup websites from Demo. Boy do their Web sites really suck, or what? Amazingly bad. The whole group of them.
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It's the classic power curve: Good ideas are oft swamped by dismal execution. Guess that's why they have Demo; to find them.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
I'm a fan of making a designer a founder or at least offer an equity stake in order to get decent design (app & site) with no / tiny budget. Highly recommended.
- Dean Terry
the problem with giving a developer equity is that it's hard to get them to do the work. i think the idea should be judged by the idea, not the website. a website is the easy part. a bad idea can never be adjusted.
- Patricia
Looking for compelling mobile ideas in the Demo group - seen any?
- Dean Terry
-500 points for any website that doesn't gracefully degrade with Javascript off (are you listening, http://www.awindinc.com/ ?)
- Chris Weiss
from twhirl
it's so early for mobile.
- Patricia
This, opposed to many of the entrants last year at TC40 - where they had simply amazing web design and really really crappy ideas.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Patricia - it's early for some things, others remain to be seen. We are going to demo at gigaom Mobilize so we'll find out soon :-)
- Dean Terry
Dean: I haven't seen any companies here that really made me want to try their products out and I visited all of them.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: well, I know of at least a couple companies going to TC50 that will show off next week (I am under embargo) that made me go "wow." None of these gave me that kind of feeling.
- Robert Scoble
This whole business is an extortion racket (I've paid). Mike has 100 companies in his demopit at 10k each. I hope they see value.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Are you kidding, Robert - now I'm looking through the companies listed at DEMO, and now I know you aren't doing anything but blatantly pimping TechCrunch out of some mis-guided loyalty to Mike. There are some real interesting ideas in here as well as some startups we've covered before at Mashable. You are *literally* judging books by covers. Discounting every company out of hand for no reason other than you like the venue of the opposition better. Brilliant analysis, I must say.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: that's all I have to work on this weekend. I'll link to you guys when you have something from Demo that looks good. But these sites almost all suck.
- Robert Scoble
And, Mark, I visited every Web site and linked to everyone (which is something that even Demo itself didn't do) so you can judge my words yourself. Which sites do +you+ think are brilliant? If you disagree with me, let's have a conversation about that!
- Robert Scoble
those sites really are pretty remarkably useless...
- Nathan Rein
I don't see how you can make judgments about stuff you haven't seen and can't see since you'll be at TC50. Stuff like hardware maker Awind, and their presentation equipment or facial recognition stuff BlueLava's I Love Photos... you can't test either service out, and thus can't say it all sucks. It bias is showing, no matter how much you deny it.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: I'm making a judgment about their Website. Not about the products themselves here. Was I not clear? Damn, I didn't say "their service sucks." I said "do their Web sites really suck?"
- Robert Scoble
I'll link to the best reviews of what gets actually introduced to Demo this week. I take it you're going? I look forward to seeing what you like and what you think has value.
- Robert Scoble
I'm really not getting why you panned a lot of these sites. You say there's no use for things like http://www.openacircle.com/ No use to whom? Have you ever worked with people in multiple locations? This seems like a killer app. Sometimes I really don't get who Silicon Valley people are trying to convince.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: explain why you'd try this product just based on their home page? Nothing there makes me understand the pain it solves. Or how it's different from, say, Google's Docs and Spreadsheets or Zoho which does supposedly the same thing. What does it DO? What pain does it solve? Do you really get excited by visiting that site? You're a better man than I am.
- Robert Scoble
Man, like this: http://www.radiantlogic.com/main... You wrote it off because there are too many words. If what they're selling works, this is genius. What are you rating these things on? These actually solve real world business needs and aren't toys like Twitter and Qik.
- Mark Trapp
Mark: if you think that style of site actually convinces anyone that their product is better, then you're a better man than I am.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: toys like Twitter or Qik? Hmmm, is that the latest slam? Excellent. I'll have to remember that. By the way, I was on a panel with enterprises yesterday and you should have heard what they said about tools like that. GE just adopted Zoho and I interviewed their guy yesterday at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer too. Also, look at the interview I did with Cisco's CIO when it's up on Monday. What does she talk about? All sorts of video stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- can you point to any site or style of site that convinces anyone their product is better?
- Brian Sullivan
Yeah I looked at that Radiant site for 10 seconds before I hit the back button. The stock looking photo, too many buzzwords and cookie cutter design didn't hold me. If I send someone a link, I shouldn't have to tell them where to look or dig to explain what the site is. I think a good example is a lot of the Mac software sites: http://www.flyingmeat.com
- Paul Reynolds
Wow, GE adopting Zoho is hot! That is really neat to hear. Looking forward to the Cisco CIO interview... Video is great for business. We need video conferencing so bad it hurts (employees are located everywhere)... wishing this was more mainstream than it is... getting there
- Susan Beebe
I don't really see Open a Circle as competing with Google Docs, but with WebEx and Acrobat Connect. Business collaboration with Google Docs or Zoho aren't really turnkey collaboration tools: it's more "here we have an series of apps. Figure out how to shoehorn it into your workflow." Does Zoho even offer video conferencing? And really? Qik? What business need does video streaming from a cell phone solve?
- Mark Trapp
Brian: compared to the game site on Demo, Kongregate got me into it and fast: http://www.kongregate.com/ Compared to the productivity stuff, Evernote got me in and hooked: http://www.evernote.com/ Compared to the travel stuff on Demo http://www.tripit.com got me into it. Do you see anything that comes up to the bar of these three companies on the Demo site? I don't. But to be fair gotta wait until Friday to really judge the utility of these things. So, let's meet back on Friday.
- Robert Scoble
Each to his own taste I guess -- none of the mentioned websites do much for me ( I haven't looked at any of the websites in the demo list either so I can't really compare - I take Robert's word that they suck). I am just thinking the time is past where a website is going to do any convincing of potential product quality any more.
- Brian Sullivan
hmmm, so far i'm seeing digital rights management, social network groups/permissions, music recs and slingbox clone, nothing new
- Deva Hazarika
genealogy, gift lists, and notchup clone job site... more of the same!
- Deva Hazarika
hmmm http://www.mydesignin.com/ - they launched at Demo2007, now launching again at Demo2008, nice.
- Deva Hazarika
Actually, Robert, you kinda did say their products would, by extension, suck. You spent what: 30 seconds, a minute maybe, on each site before making your pronouncement? I agree that first impressions matter, but seriously who's being unfair to startups now?
- Chris Shipley
Wow Robert. Just wow. I'm stunned by your "analysis." If I analyzed startups for Guidewire the way you just did, I'd be out of a job. I'll take the bullet for not linking to the sites; I was cranking out work to get ready for DEMOfall yesterday and was admittedly messy in my publishing. But my hastiness pales in comparison to this feat.
- Carla Thompson
carla, chris: definitely agree that the pre-launch website -> product will suck leap is a very big and unfair one
- Deva Hazarika
Chris: we will look at the products separately and will look at the web sites again later this week.
- Robert Scoble
Chris and Carla: you have looked at each of these companies. Why couldn't you include a sentence about what caught your eyes about them on your list?
- Robert Scoble
We do just that in the program, which all attendees receive. And all of that information will be available on the DEMO.com site when the conference opens tomorrow night.
- Carla Thompson
seems to me what Robert was saying is that, in this environment, when you have a high-profile launch, you want to have a decent website to go along with it. These websites don't succeed in doing what a startup's site should do. Their products might be great, but they're going to be written off by potential funders or customers because their public "storefronts" (front pages) are too confusing, ugly, boring, or uninformative to catch their attention. At least that's what I took Robert's point to be -- right?
- Nathan Rein
... the point being that in an attention economy, part of your job is to grab attention. Aesthetics and good user experience design really matter.
- Nathan Rein
we just landed the 7th or 8th company who had a DEMO offer for TechCrunch50 - http://demo.com/
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excellent... the more money we can save entrepreneurs the better!
- Jason Calacanis
from Bookmarklet
and exactly how where and how does this saving come about into being, once they have singedup with TC50 ?
- Peter Dawson
So getting a DEMO offer is a shortcut around the TC50 application process? Makes me feel good about the chances for my application...
- Brad Collins
from twhirl
Peter Dawson: DEMO charges $18,500 to get on stage for six minutes... TechCrunch50 is merit based and has no fee. IN fact, TC50 gives a $50,000 grand prize! Brad Collins: it's not a short cut any more... it was just for a couple of companies for three weeks because DEMO gave "exploding offers" to people. that's over.
- Jason Calacanis
Jason: You confuse assumptions w/ facts. Invitations to DEMO - based on merit, btw - don't "explode." We ask companies to respond w/in 10 business days because demand outstrips availability.If they need more time, we work to accommodate them. And unless you're willing to name these 7 or 8 companies, there's no way to confirm whether this is more assumption on your part or fact, but the number of declines on our side don't add up to your numbers.
- Chris Shipley
Chris: i have all the emails. the numbers add up as do my facts.
- Jason Calacanis
DEMO 2008 companies: just heard rumor that DEMO is offering some companies discounted rate but others not: if u paid 18.5k u got ripped off?
anyone else here this?
- Jason Calacanis
You're channeling Alan Meckler, sounds like.
- Rob Sterling
Rob Sterling... is that a compliment? :-)
- Jason Calacanis
@Jason: No, but this is: you're better than him and it's jarring (to me) when you employ the same tactics. Don't be Adlai Muckler.
- Rob Sterling
now that's the problem with rumors, @jasoncalacanis... they are uncorroborated and they're often untrue.
- Chris Shipley
Speaking of "ripped off,"Jason, what's with TC's pay-to-play scheme at the party this month? Thought you wanted to kill that model? http://tinyurl.com/5kdxly
- Carla Thompson
Carla Thompson: oh please... those are just sponsor tables.... TC is not selling speaking slots like DEMO. Nice try however!
- Jason Calacanis
oh my.. they go at it again .. tC50 vs Demo08 foo.. who cares what the pricing strategy is and which show !! Smart companies will not attend any ..
- Peter Dawson
Make no mistake, this is standard operating procedure in the tech world to bitch about one another conferences pricing and saying mine is better then yours. Why an't there large democamps that is just free ??
- Peter Dawson
@Jason yeah, they're pretty clearly labeled Product Launch. I don't fault you for it - this is business after all!
- Carla Thompson
@cshipley any thoughts on joining the TechCrunch50 team after this yearsDEMO?we really could use your help expanding the event to 2x a year.
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Not gonna happen. But thanks for asking. By the way, DEMO 09 is March 1 - 3, 2009, if you really are serious about avoiding conflict.
- Chris Shipley
Moved the Guidewire Group offices today from SF to PlugandPlay in Redwood City. Check www.guidewiregroup.com for new coordinates.
Less per square foot than renting an office in Redwood City or further down the Peninsula? I wonder...../gb
- Gail Bronson
Less than SF by 30% or better ... and a MUCH better commute for me (sorry Mike & Alice!)
- Chris Shipley
Heading into PC World for the last time, at least as an employee. Then to a Seagate event at the Giants game tonight.
Congratulations on your long career at PC World and best wishes for the next chapter. - chris
- Chris Shipley
link envy social media - http://www.linkenvy.com/
new website, just getting started
- Chris Shipley
link envy social media - http://www.linkenvy.com/
new website, just getting started
- Chris Shipley
MailBucket - http://www.mailbucket.org/
Mail to RSS gateway
- Chris Shipley
MailBucket - http://www.mailbucket.org/
Mail to RSS gateway
- Chris Shipley
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