You know better than I do Steven, but I believe those who have not fully adopted online communications like those of us here regularly, abandon social media, (and perhaps a lot of internet uses), for more tactile time spend during downturns. I've witnessed folks behaviors changed en mass, directed by circumstances. Could be enough to explain most of that, because I think generally, their more tuned product is accelerating in usefulness.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Unique visitors is an interesting statistic but it's clear that the real value to FF will be engagement. Returning visitors, visits per day, dwell time etc. will show the real power of FF.
- AJ Kohn
So what are you doing to help turn this momentum around (goes for all of you above)?
- Louis Gray
I think that the craziness of the economy has had an effect... people are spending more time off-line (I know I have) and less likely to be looking for new things. I think it will turn around after a while.
- Lindsay
I use FF in my email sig, tell friends, drop it in my blog from time to time.
- AJ Kohn
Louis: my thesis. People aren't getting enough value out of this and are seeing it as a time drain. Also, I'm seeing people staying away from online sites that cover politics and economic news in order to stay away from mental pain. Those things get better in November. It'll be interesting to see if the line goes back up then. But we need new features to cure the first thing. I think they are on the way.
- Robert Scoble
I thinking the same thing as Robert. I also think that many avid users have found that this can be an incredible time sink, and have had to back off a little.
- Jeff P. Henderson
could also be attributed to employees spending more time on their tasks and less time browsing FF.
- Tsega Dinka
but I also pedict that with winter around the corner and more people spending longer hours indoors, the traffic will be going back up.
- Tsega Dinka
Louis, I may have just converted my wife - does that count? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
maybe if there were more Joe 6pack examples of the value in the world Joe lives in they would be more inclined to use it. Telling people how important it is won't teach them as well as showing them by example.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Friendfeed jumped for me when it became a chat room for popular bloggers and their stalkerish followers. Give me twitter with Twitscoop any day.
- Wayne Schulz
Maybe FF would like to give its fans incentives to help them be successful. I keep hoping some company has the guts to try to include their users in the prosperity we create, together. It's a good time for out of the box thinking, no?
- Dave Winer
heck, if friendfeed would consider sharing revenues from ads in the rooms - that would really be something!
- Zee.
Could you layer the stock market graph over the same timeframe? Would there be a similarity in the graphs?
- Hutch Carpenter
@Wayne..haha and twitter isn't a chat room for popular bloggers & stalkerish followers...? lol...
- Zee.
Does the drop correlate with the release of the list feature?
- Todd Hoff
If it really is a drop (it's not a drop in traffic btw, just the number of times it's been mentioned on the web, a measure of buzz if anything) it probably correlates to Twitter becoming reliable again and luring back its users, which was a slow process of rebuilding trust. There's absolutely no doubt, looking at the graph, that FF benefited when Twitter was going down all the time.
- Dave Winer
"This has nothing to do with free market capitalism. This has to do with a managed economy, an inflationary system, corporatism, a special interest system. It has nothing to do with a failure of free markets and capitalism."
- Mona Nomura
Go Ron! He's been talking about this for years. The market will correct this. Government should just be there with money to help protect the people that are going to get hurt.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I find it interesting when people like to isolate systems and stand them up independently. Saying that free markets, when left "alone", do not influence, modify, meddle with government is an idealistic fantasy. Even though I'm a "free market guy" I'm leery of anyone who ideologically espouses "pure free markets" or "unfettered free markets" because they lose sight of the fact that they do not exist in a vacuum. Markets and Govt's are fundamentally connected and influence each other in myriad ways.
- mikepk
free markets are transparent. the current interbanking shadow financial system is NOT transparent
- ray
ray, we deal with the messy reality of markets. Perfect free markets assume perfect transparency AND perfect information on the part of all participants. Neither reflects reality. It's analogous to the old Churchill quote, it's a terrible system, except when compared to all the others.
- mikepk
ron paul - a real libertarian calling out the majority & minority - while mccain plays blame game ... where is obama? biden? time for presidentiality to meet truthiness (credit to colbert)
- Scott Moskowitz
thks for the aide memoir :) add immoral and irrational to messy too. my real point was - it is an ideal (this may sound strange) but ideals are essential for design and serve as a tool for razor sharp strategy. my experience is limited to cds markets, but if this particular market had a clearing house (which is difficult practically - but not impossible - an ideal) - a lot of the problems regarding this particular market may not have not have happened
- ray
Market fundamentalists are as vicious as religious fundamentalists. That said, the market needs to resolve this issues. The government will just make things worse by stepping in with a massive bailout.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Ron Paul is one of the few who sees the big picture and follows the money all the way back to the root cause. Unfortunately not enough people listened to him when he predicted all this years ago, but maybe more will now.
- Alan Cheslow
Shame he's generally completely insane, isn't it?
- Alexander Carlill
Ron Paul is hardly insane. Libertarian views, in my opinion, just won't work. It's an ideal but will fail practically. The only chance people will listen to Paul about this is if we don't get a bailout. If the bailout eventually happens, we're simply propping up failures effectively saying let's keep practicing the same crappy economics that got us into this situation in the first place. We need to tackle the hard problems and top just putting on more band aids.
- ·[▪_▪]·
little more than messy imho. when the next step in the panic could be a be the mother of all bank runs - as it may now happen - a total meltdown of the US financial system could occur.
- ray
The decline of our economy, the restrictions on our freedoms, and the increase of dictatorial centralized government policies are proving that the principles which Libertarianism opposes have failed. Why would you say that Libertarian views don't work when they have exactly predicted the state we're in today?
- Alan Cheslow
@Alan, there's never been a truly free market anywhere in the world to validate the libertarian claims either. But in principle at least, we should strive to minimize government except where needed to protect individuals and to protect the commons.
- LogEx
perfect capitalism = no profits (best price, service, selection not profitable) / libertarianism depends on how you define the network of one - you - legally & in terms of the law how/when it conflicts with the commons - again, political capital is the most *expensive* kind - pick your definition of "expensive" vis-a-vis individuals &/or society - age old & unanswerable - perhaps
- Scott Moskowitz
I'm a Dem, but its a shame someone this intelligent didn't make it through the Republican primaries. Talk about "straight talk"
- Jim Goldstein
I hear nothing here that Obama has not said, although he may not totally agree with Paul's solution re the bail-out. I've also heard that Paul is opposed to freedom of choice for women and against gay marriage, and other social positions I would not be able to support. I wonder where he stands on healthcare, education, the environment, and other areas that are really crucial to the majority of people. We need MORE than a one-note candidate—someone whose only focus is on the economy, the internet, or war.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I don't feel sorry for her...she's an adult who accepted a huge responsibility and is clearly not qualified to run as VP.... She should have withdrawn
- Susan Beebe
susan i agree. like i said after her interview with gibson, if i knew that i couldn't do a job with a steep learning curve, no matter how much i wanted it, i would have said, 'no thanks.' the gop ticket has 2 people who make rash decisions without thinking through the consequences. in these times, i fail to see how that'll be helpful to our country.
- Admiral Anika
Not as sorry as I would feel for the U.S. and by inference, the bloody world if she gets elected the designated president in waiting to a really old president.
- Kamath (नमः)
I think she'll be prepared and will do very well but that's just my opinion
- David Ward
Don't feel sorry at all. If you an't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Blame McCain for putting her up to it when she clearly isn't ready because he needed a very conservative woman.
- David Jacobs
@DavidWard are you serious or just being sarcastic - I can't tell.
- Chris Saad
from twhirl
I agree with @DavidWard. She's sharp, and tough. It could be very interesting.
- Allen Fuller
David: if you are serious, on what do you base that opinion?
- Bren, Not Grinchy
Agree with @DavidWard and @AllenFuller
- Jeff Quinton
@David, genuinely curious what so far has led you to believe she is anywhere near competent or knowledgeable to debate the issues?
- Kamath (नमः)
Based on her Gibson and Couric interviews it's tough to believe she'll deliver at the debate.
- AJ Kohn
Actually, she's the perfect symbol of the economic crisis... people who want way more than they are qualified to have.
- Cyndy
Wish we could like comments as well. Cyndy hit the nail on the head.
- Paulo Elias
from twhirl
I'm being serious, she will be ready. McCain wouldn't have picked her if she wasn't qualified.
- David Ward
I will say she wasn't well prepared for the Catie Couric interview but every other one I've seen she's done well. She'll be fine.
- David Ward
She's been hunkered down with (expert) crash tutorials/coaching for the past few days, while Biden has been out on the campaign trail. She may not do as badly as she could have.
- Susan Scrupski
@Susan, could be. But isn't it worrying that a person who is going to be second in line to the President needs tutorials/coaching? This is the highest office in the country we are talking about - not a university acceptance interview. I don't know about Biden enough at all to comment except he has a tendency to make up stuff from time to time.
- Kamath (नमः)
just because biden's campaigning doesn't mean he's not doing debate prep. most politicians can do both at the same time. hell, most college kids can do debate prep and something else at the same time.
- Admiral Anika
Agreed, she should have never accepted. This reflects badly on McCain.
- Mike Reynolds
Will be like watching a train wreck.
- Alex Scoble
And if she does really well, they will call it a win and it will give the reds more drive to push for the top chair.
- CW™
Prepare for Biden to be presented as a bully though. Also @Cindy - you managed to sum up in one sentence the core problem that many on the right have with 'elites'. You suggest there that only qualification, knowledge and ultimately intelligence should bring one wealth. That is a misinterpretation of the idea of merit and effectively a repudiation of the 'American Dream'. That Palin isn't qualified is a really important argument but when you boil it down to 'she's dumb', you'll lose that argument.
- mattpovey
Personally, I hope it is a disaster. She's simply unqualified.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Cyndy didn't say that Palin is dumb...she just said that the woman is way over her head, which is patently and obviously true to all but the most stalwart Republicans.
- Alex Scoble
Prediction: She'll come on stage, and a stooge will come up and whisper in her ear. Then she will say: "I have to leave. Bristol's water broke. I need to be with my daughter. I need to be with my daughter. (Looking to Biden.) I'm sorry Joe, I have to leave."
- Paul Denlinger
"people who want way more than they are qualified to have." Sounds like 'dumb' to me. The problem is confusing position and role with the ability to create and bear wealth and 'status' which that comment does. I also find it amusing that people in FSI are suddenly unqualified. Were the technologists and venture capitalists who engineered the previous bubble similarly under-qualified?
- mattpovey
I love the smell of Republican desperation :)
- Victor Ganata
After reading this article http://tinyurl.com/3olmkf I was prepared to give her some slack. However, what Cyndy said is right; she's as prepared for the vice presidency as the country was for the banking crisis. And Biden should NOT treat her with kid gloves. She's certainly old enough (and tussled in politics long enough in her home state) to understand the dynamics of any debate. Unfortunately, I'm expecting her to do what McCain did during his debate with Obama, attacking his opponent, not the issue
- Helen Sventitsky
Speaking extemporaneously on topics and responding to questions posed by people who KNOW those topics requires MUCH more than the superficial knowledge and understanding they'll have been able to tutor her in in the last month. Let's be real here, people... Katie Couric is about a 2 on the tough interview scale. None of the questions Katie asked should have been unexpected, but she was totally incapable of answering them.
- Jason Carreira
I'm not American and live in Aus but Palin terrifies me. Her politics and lack of experience mean do not inspire in any way but the approach you're all taking to dealing with her is not a winner. It comes across to me as a schoolyard dust-up between the jocks (red) and nerds (blue). For reference, outside of Hollywood, the Jocks usually win.
- mattpovey
I'm feeling better that there's little chance that she'll actually be elected,but if she does we're definitely moving. I saw an article today with 2 quotes from people talking about how she's said that humans and dinosaurs co-existed when the Earth was created 6000 years ago. That should be an immediate disqualification.
- Jason Carreira
I haven't seen a discussion of the format of the VP debate dies anyone know if the Dems gave been snookered on the setup ? Will it be candidate to candidate give take at any time or is it again moderator-candidate-moderator-candidate format. It's all to easy to come as as bully in this format. - it favours someone that has pat answers to key words (they don't even have to have answers...
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- David HC Soul
I can't wait for this debate. Hoping for some fireworks.
- Bryan Person
Governor Palin, what is a credit default swap? ;-)
- Paul Denlinger
I would be so sad if Pandora went away. :(
- Jennifer Leggio
I spent a year running an internet radio sation/social networking site - it's really tricky to make this work. I hope they do it (I couldn't)
- Iain Baker
We need to contact our congress people. The National Association of Broadcasters issued a petition to thwart the progress that Pandora, Sound Exchange and the RIAA came to right before they were getting close to having hope.
- Jennifer Leggio
i would certainly do something, if i was in the USA. sorry, pandy....
- Trent Olson
You can do something. Spread Jen's post. Let it be heard from the rooftops, your weapon is friendfeed, Delicious, and blogs. Your weapon is your mind. So stand up and fight! Let it be known who you support! Take up your weapons weather it be your blog, or friendfeed, or chatting with other people and let it be known what is going on. It doesn't matter if you live in the USA or not we all have weapons and we all should use them. SO LETS FIGHT!
- Colide81 (James)
Bump. Now that the debate is over, maybe bumping this will be noticed more. Come on people doesn't anyone care about Pandora? Doesn't anyone care to fight for something we all like on the net?????
- Colide81 (James)
Damn, I gotta call someone!! I figured there would be a link. Is there?
- Steve Sebestyen
Thanks for all the help!! - Lucia, from Pandora
- Pandora Radio
:-) Fight fight fight! Use your weapons to spread the word. Call your congressman, get out and pound the pavement for Pandora.
- Colide81 (James)
from fftogo
THE BILL JUST PASSED! Now, on to the Senate.
- Pandora Radio
What does getting that news 24h early do for you, Robert? I feel the same smug feeling seeing slower outlets sometimes but I'm not always sure I benefit from being so close to the news volcano.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I work for Yahoo! News - I get to see it before it happens....
- Glen Mistletoe
if wsj was smart, it would have known to marry you to its online platform - and you'd be getting it there instead :)
- Patricia
Guy here at work got an SMS on his iphone today from Rogers - USB power adapter recall - quick search in FF showed that tidbit 10 days ago!
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
For all those not in high-tech, Google Reader, Friendfeed, and Techneme isn't an option. Reading the news in the WSJ is the resource.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
Robert, buy the WSJ. They cover and write the news. What would happen to aggregators like Google Reader, Friendfeed and others if there were longer anyone doing that?
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
I glanced over the front page of the NYTimes today on a coffee break and thought to myself, "geez, that's all old news already".
- Brian Ries
The definition of "News" is something that is "New" to the reader. Those not sitting online all day can get a handy filtered, noise free and considered opinion in a portable format. In-depth analysis is missing from "lifestream journalism" and a good newspaper will expand "yesterday's news"
- Michael Rose
The thing that the WSJ can do for someone is add in depth analysis and opinion. Something the social media echo chamber is rapidly showing itself to be HORRIBLE about. We get lots of info on FF / Twitter / Techmeme but much of it is distorted and biased almost beyond use. Don't get me wrong, I think there is HUGE value in FF / Twitter and love them both - but it is becoming clear that more in depth outlets are also needed.
- Soulhuntre
Agreed. It'd be tragic for all if we lost what newspapers bring to the table. People should want to be helping them make the transition, not gleefully clapping their demise. Those are huge entities who supply jobs. Web 2.0 is quick to want the death of all things 'old' but sadly, none ever talk about or create models to replace it. At best, one out of the million blogs will be grown enough to be able to employ 30 people. Conde Nast employs hundreds and thousands. It's just a loss all around.
- Patricia
I love my elitist brethren. And imagine, some people don't get or can't get news AS IT HAPPENS WORLDWIDE.app.php like the rest of the upper class. So yeah, thanks for that.
- Eric Rice
the same with every newspaper in Sweden.
- Svartling
Internet = breaking news, newspaper = backstory
- Alex Nesbitt
This is the same reason I'm letting all my magazine subscriptions lapse. There's nothing in them I hadn't already seen.
- Joey Gibson
There's still something about enjoying a relaxing Sunday morning with the paper, though.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
My wife's allergic to legumes; since most papers are printed with soy-based ink these days, I haven't subscribed to a newspaper since the mid-1980's.
- Glen Mistletoe
that might be true for the news and headlines, but lengthier and more explanatory stuff often requires a bit of digging and some time to weigh and reflect -- there's much more to news than what's on the envelope.
- Adrian Chan
I doubt that everything in the WSJ was in FriendFeed . There are only a few papers in America because most are really part of a homogeneous blob due to all the syndicated stories they pick up. The WSJ does not rely on syndication, and instead produces its own material; it is by far the best newspaper in the states and is interesting all the way through. If you said the NYT or LAT, yes they are all over FriendFeed and have little depth unless they are articles dealing with culture or their local domain
- RAPatton
same here although I still read the WSJ (online only)
- Chris Selland
Nothing new. I have stopped reading newspapers. I have my Google Reader in my mobile to take care of the news. Newspapers are yesterdays story.
- Sidharth Dassani
More than likely, print media will be hybrid models or go digital entirely. expect it in TV as well (already has happened, etc.). the next project i'm considering is a hybrid model in hopes to create an example that can work for both. Don't kill print media!! Just help it become more modern :)
- Patricia
Makes sense. Its not like there's anything interesting going on in finance at the moment.
- john conroy
I'm a fan of the WSJ. They might not be the fastest, but they have some of the best insight I've found. FriendFeed, TechMeme, and Google Reader are better tools for determining what happened. I think the WSJ is better for figuring out the why and how. Different tools for different jobs.
- Aaron Schaub
it's not available outside of the US, so doesn't get a like from me
- Ben
I have been using amazon since launch. DRM free, AAC-free, compatible & reasonable quality. and the catalog is up to snuff as well.
- Doug Haslam
from twhirl
I'll never be a fan of any of these sites until they start offering lossless files.
- Akiva Moskovitz
(sigh) I wish they'd hurry up and make this available in Canada.
- cecily
This is available on emusic now (in Canada too!). I subscribe for 30 downloads/month at $11.99 so this 15 track album is effectively $6 there for DRM free MP3s. On Amazon it's $9. [Shameless mode: ON] If you're thinking of signing up their 'Tell A Friend' (Tell a FriendFeed?) program could score 50 free tracks for both of us. Let me know... :-) [Shameless mode: OFF]
- Andrew Codrington
If you can tell the difference between a 240kb MP3 and lossless, Akiva, then that's OK. I cannot, even on my home theater system.
- Alex Scoble
I've been using the Amazon MP3 store from the first day it opened. The only time I used the iTunes store since was when I got a giftcard for it for Christmas.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I hope that's not the official Forrester recommendation. :-)
- Louis Gray
I haven't even searched iTunes for new music since Amazon opened their store. I see no advantage to iTunes right now. The Amazon catalog may be smaller, but I'm finding more than enough to buy.
- Kevin C. Tofel
Amazon is my backup if I can't find it on eMusic.com.
- mrshl
Welcome. We've been waiting for you. =)
- Mike Smith
I love Amazon Mp3, but they don't have everything. I'm using Linux now, so if what I want is only on ITunes, I'm SOL (I think - someone PLEASE prove me wrong).
- Helen Sventitsky
One of the advantages of iTunes is that i can buy straight from my iPhone. Thats a tough advantage to beat.
- Roberto Bonini
@jstorerj has been espousing the virtues of Amazon's music store for the same reasons your list. I may have to make the switch soon.
- Aaron Strout
from twhirl
I have been using it more and more, their selection is still a bit bare.
- Spencer
I love Thievery Corporation, been to two concerts, getting the "Radio Retaliation" album right now, thanks for the tip. My first buy on Amazon MP3 and I hope it will work well with my iTunes, we'll see :-)
- Frederik Hermann
Mona - Scranton is an hour from here. They make a big deal out of it. I don't get it. So, I like chick shows ... I'll watch it with mine :)
- Charlie Anzman
shoot. i totally forgot to set the DVR to record this season.
- Paulo Elias
from twhirl
Charlie - I was just teasing! I love Grey's, too. :) But I watch all my shows online... while... FriendFeeding. LOL
- Mona Nomura
Charlie, noooooooo!!!! I feel like I don't even know you anymore!
- Mark Wilson
Me too!!!!! And Michael cracks me up! And I <3 Jim and Dwight and Pam and and and
- Mona Nomura
The one about the Internet is definitely true. When I had MySpace, Jenna Fischer was one of my friends on there. She often updated her MySpace while waiting around on the set and said a lot of the other actors did the same.
- Rochelle
A lot of celebrities use Myspace. I wonder why...
- Mona Nomura
Jenna just had a post on her Myspace blog today about the premiere.
- Mark Wilson
Most of Hollywood and the music industry uses Myspace. ugh FAIL.
- Mona Nomura
Nobody told me it was a double ... and possibly one of the worst premiers I've seen yet (but nice and relaxing with my wife). Don't worry Mark. Just don't look for me when 24 comes back!
- Charlie Anzman
I would say, thanks for sharing Mona, but I suppose that would be counter to your illustration ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
okay, this is really funny. my husband's putting our faucet in the sink and i just yelled at him, 'OMG, you put it in the wrong hole!" and he said, 'How was i supposed to know? It's dark and it's not like there's instructions down there!". and then we realized the windows are wide open.
- Admiral Anika
I'm saving my money and buying my way into Heaven. -Sammy Hagar
- Mattb4rd
That depends on how you define "worship". I've had a couple of religious experiences.
- cecily
however, they are closer to their gods concept than those who stand in church, worshipping symbols and human crafted dogma ;)
- alphaxion
+1 alphaxion .. I'm living proof that one can be a creationist and not particularly religious. Man has a way of eventually screwing up nearly everything he touches. Religion is just one item in a long list.
- Mattb4rd
Well, the Bible does say church is where ever two or more gather in his name, so technically it *could* constitute going to church.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Tina, yes, kind of smart thing to notice. :)
- Daniel Schildt
I'm not sure if this actually refers to sex. Many a morning I shout "oh God!" as I slam my hand on the snooze button and then fall back to sleep.
- Liam Sullivan
and here I thought I was a religious person by shouting "OH MY GOD! YES! OH YES! OH GOD! YES!" everynight
- LouCypher
I always believed that how you conduct yourself and live your life on a day to day basis defines you as a good person (or not) more than any church appearances.
- Ian May
Thanks Daniel =) I find it's helpful to know the text when one is faithful surrounded by the religious.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm catholic but I don't worship statues. Sorry to think that's the impression people are getting. (Though I'm not so naive to think it's not happening! hee hee) I also don't fit the stereotype. (EXCEPT FOR THE DRINKING PART)
- Melissa Kiser
Done properly (the participants should mutually agree on whom and how is proper) the activity described is closer to the divine than setting in a pew "showing" one's piety... however, to each their own :)
- Zen Master the Librarian
Every Sunday I go to the Bedside Baptist Church where I hear a sermon by Reverend Sheets...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
Actually, Tina, the verse is something along the lines of: "wherever two or more are gathered in my name, there I will be." So, put into this context........ ;)
- Nathaniel Payne