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Which weight will lift first as the rope is pulled?
Jim, Shashi Rosa, i80and and 52 other people liked this
...or, would they be lifted all togheter? mmmh (I'd say A too, at first sight)
- Claudio Cicali
assuming no friction?
- Alex Scrivener
liked so I get the answer later....
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Alex, that's the first thing I was thinking.
- Rah-PM 2012
all of them.
- Guy
A would rise first if there was a surface for the other two to rest upon, and since it looks like they're all on resting on the same plane as the man's feet. A, is the answer.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Don't we need to know how much force the gentleman is pulling at?
- Alonzo Hayden
Nope force does not matter Alonzo. But good stalling tactic.
- SteVe C
guess B
- shâhin
Just so you guys know, I have no idea what the answer is. I feel like there isn't enough information, but that's probably me overthinking it.
- Rah-PM 2012
++ Rah 8)
- Zu from AOD
I'm going to say that C is the answer. A seems too easy based on weight and I think that the work will transfer first to the set of pulleys closest to the puller.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Rah, you can;t ask a question like this without knowing the answer . . . . can you?
- Friar Will (:^)
I'm reminded of the airplane/treadmill problem http://blog.xkcd.com/2008... .
- Micah
Unlike the airplane/treadmill problem, this one is unambiguous and has one correct answer. I think that answer is A.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
But the "This is a man" part is always ambiguous.
- Micah
My gut reaction is C for the same reason Scoble says. I was hoping someone had seen this problem somewhere before :)
- Rah-PM 2012
I'm guessing "C" - visualizing pulling the rope C has to move before B before A.
- WarLord
It's B or A. C is definitely out, because it doesn't matter what's first, but what has less downward force, you're just drawing the rope taught, so the weight with lowest force will rise first.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
What do you mean "I have no idea what the answer is."?? A lot of us will lose tonight's sleep.
- Guy
I'm pretty sure it's A. But I haven't been in physics class for a long time.
- <3Heather<3
Secret answer D: The rope would snap and the man would be sent flying by his own momentum into the inconveniently placed lava pit just out of frame.
- Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce
Where the hell is Mo, he would know the answer.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I'm told B because 40 is half of 20+60 which are at the extremities. And this comes from a woman.
- Guy
I'm now sure it's A. Will explain later.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
@Jimminy Here's Moe http://www.herbanmedia.com/shoppin...
- Alonzo Hayden
Oh didn't guess yet. Well all those years of college physics say I forget. Normal rule of thumb is a pulley divides work by half. Based on that rule I'd go B. but my brain isn't turned on today
- SteVe C
I found a 6 page forum threat about this exact problem, pretty interesting responses. http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthr...
- Chris Topher
The rope is inelastic. So all the weights go up at the same time.
- The original Kevin
I have not only the answer, but an explanation that will be persuasive to everyone. Should I post the spoiler here, or put it somewhere else?
- Bruce Lewis
Might as well post it on your own feed, Bruce and link to it here.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
hmm, looks like one of the people built a rig to test it. I think that friction might have something to do with his finding, though: http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.com/showthr...
- Chieze Okoye
It's A :)
- HoldMe
Yes, the friction totally threw that experiment off. Cool that he built something, though. His finding is wrong, and my explanation will be persuasive to everyone. Writing it up now.
- Bruce Lewis
My explanation: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
I think Bruce is right.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
My problem is that I assumed that this wasn't a straightforward question and so looked for the answer that wasn't straightforward.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
C
- Outsanity
I can analyze it as long as it's static, but when things start moving I have to get an ME.
- Kevin L
Assuming the numbers are weights, then it's A. The mechanical advantage on each weight is 2-fold, but identical across each of them. So the lightest weight lifts first, regardless of where it is. Only when it reaches the top and is blocked from moving will any of the other weights lift, because the man cannot put more than 10 pounds of tension on the line as long as the 20 pound weight...
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- Otto
I'd go with C.
- jbrotherlove
Close, Sean. Remember: in stasis, the tension is equal at every point along the rope.
- Kevin L
I think Bruce has it.
- Chieze Okoye
Define "rope"... just kidding.
- Mark J
OK, here's a follow-up question. Assume the man pulls A and B all the way to the top. Finally, C lifts off the ground. How many pounds of force is he exerting on the rope?
- Bruce Lewis
C, ..
- pyla
Total download force = 60+ 40 + 20 = 120. 3 free axles means at equilibrium, the force in each segment is 120/(3*2) = 20. So for each weight, the total upward force is 2 * 20 = 40... so weight A is the only one that will move up.
- Ken Morley
For Bruce's question the answer is 60/2 = 30 :o)
- Ken Morley
If we guess backwards, which one moves firstly? My answer is C.
- _©onta©t_
My mistake. Actually, I'd assumed all the weights were unsupported, so the total downward force doesn't change when A and B reach the top. The force should still be 120 / 6 = 20, not 30. If the weights are all sitting on the ground, then the forces in the rope will change as each weight leaves the ground, but A will still rise first....but I could be wrong :o) <I am... see below>
- Ken Morley
3 free pulleys x 2. Only the movable pulleys multiple the forces.
- Ken Morley
Ken, each weight is independent, so the factor of the pulley's benefit is 1/2, the third pulley in the sets are only changing the vector. And the benefit is non cumulative, since it's 1/2 for each weight.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
But the system is in equilibrium, so all the forces must be equal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Ken Morley
Ken, the issue with that, is it's an individual weight, distributed, not independent weights. So each weight's force measure, is calculated independently.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
3 free pulleys, 120 total pounds, force = 120/3/2. What am I missing?
- Ken Morley
3 free pulleys? Labeled with a number right to left, which ones are free?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
The ones on the weights are the only ones that can move, and so are the only ones that multiply the force.
- Ken Morley
But they don't multiply force, they only split the amount of effort required to lift that wait, it doesn't transfer over the entire system.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
"The addition of a fixed pulley to the single pulley system can yield an increase of advantage..." yes, but in that case the end is attached back to the weight, not fixed.
- Ken Morley
Okay my brain hurts... I'm going to bed and will reconsider in the morning ;o)
- Ken Morley
Ken, if we were talking about one 120 weight attached in the configuration, you would be correct. Independent weights don't work the same way.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Yes, W / 2 (free pulleys) / 2 = W/4 :o)
- Ken Morley
Assuming that the wheels turn equally, the force is equally spread across all the weights. Imagine pulling on the rope with 1lb of pressure - nothing moves, but the rope gets taught. Next, imagine 2 lbs of pressure - still nothing. Imagine increasing the force applied by small increments: at some point, the rope will transfer a force equal to the weight of one of the blocks. At that point, the block lifts off the ground, right?
- I like big Botts
If they are attached to the same weight.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I'm going to go buy some pulleys tomorrow ;o)
- Ken Morley
g'nite :o)
- Ken Morley
Ken, here is an explanation, somewhat, http://ff.im/q9wKF, of why the diagrams on wikipedia are wrong, in application to this system. Each of these weights are independent and and thus examples of diagram 1, you can see this if you remove the 7 right most pulleys from the diagram, and then only the 3 right most after that. You end up with a system that only contains the 20[unit] weight, and a second that contains only the 20 and 40[unit] weights.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Computer programmers, you should be able to come up with the answer to my followup question, and with an explanation that's easily persuasive to everyone. Black-box abstraction is the key to simplifying this system.
- Bruce Lewis
For non-programmers: Black-box abstraction is enclosing a system in a mental black box, so that you only think about what's going in and/or out of the box, not what's inside. Don't be thrown off by the fancy word "abstraction". It's a way to think less, not think more. Maybe you can get the answer before any programmers do.
- Bruce Lewis
Jimminy, the key point is that In order for the starting position to be stable, the weights must all be supported by a surface. As the tension in the system is increased and reaches 10 lbs (I'm assuming the units are lbs), the first weight (A) will rise until it reaches the top (the other two pulleys are acting as fixed pulleys at this point). When the tension reaches 20 lbs the 'B' weight will rise. The 'C' weight will not move until the tension is increased to 30 lbs.
- Ken Morley
Just came across this from HN, Ken, the assumption is that the system is stable, due to the fact that the weights are all at the same distance from the pulley arm, also they are apparently at the same level as the mans feet. I also, it's cumulative, the mechanical advantage is only a factor of 2, so it's, 20/2, 10 lbs. to raise A, to raise A and be it's, (20+40)/2, 30 lbs, and to raise A, B, and C you would need 120/2, 60 lbs. Which may have been what you were saying, but I'm not quite sure.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy says 60 lbs, Ken says 30. If you're the one who's right, see if you can use black-box abstraction (see my comment above) to persuade the other.
- Bruce Lewis
Jimminy, the system can not be stable if the weights are not supported. Imagine if the weights are all sitting on a platform that is gradually lowered. What would happen? In your example above you are correct that 10 lbs of force is required to raise weight A, but when it reaches the top and runs out of rope, it is no longer acting as a pulley. It is as though it were just attached at...
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- Ken Morley
I'll guess A as well before I look at the 83 comments here and see what the answer is.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
Hiding the thread, just thinking about having to think about it makes my head hurt :P
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Ken, considering, that the man is also standing on the same surface as the weights, nothing would change. Also, you still have to support weight A, even once it reaches the top, it is still a downward force, on the line, so you have to support it until you reach 20 lbs, then weight... Woah. It's 40 lb's required, to get all 3 off the ground. You have two parameters that have to be met,...
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- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I'd like you guys to hover over the picture to see what company is asking this question on an employment application. I'm pretty sure they wanted a common sense answer that an average person would know, but it's obviously just not that simple of a question :)
- Rah-PM 2012
I think Otto has pretty-much nailed it (see comments): http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Ken Morley
I just read Otto's comment more carefully, and I disagree about A and B making 30 lbs of force to help lift C. A and B act as counterweights to each other, not just to C.
- Bruce Lewis
I suppose the easiest way to visualize what happens is to imagine them all being lifted to the middle. When you let go of all of them at the same time, C will drop down because it's heavier than A, so A will go up.
- Richard
My first guess is A. ***My father is a Mechanical engineer and he says A as well. *****************He says it would take 10lbs of force to lift A 20lbs to lift B and 30lbs to lift C.
- Jim
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Recently my cousin's head was run over by a car. This is what's left of her helmet. My cousin completely survived because of this helmet. Please think of this before riding a bike without a helmet next time!
Harold, Michael Pardee, Amy and 75 other people liked this
I've ridden only once without a helmet in as long as I can remember. Felt vulnerable!
- Adam Loving
from StumbleRead
It's true. They work.
- Andrew Feinberg
wow... that's amazing. how old is your cousin jesse?
- dave mcclure
dave, my cousin's 30, just 1 year younger than me
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
You can read her story, in her own words here. I'm inspired: http://thetopotheworld.blogspot.com/
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
This happened to a friend of mine at the beginning of the month. He didn't do so good in the accident, but the helmet obviously saved his life. Thankfully is on his way home tomorrow: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit...
- Steve Lacey
I used to ride my bike without the helmet even though it is mandatory in Chennai, India. But after reading this I am not even going to the next street in my bike without helmet.
- Sudar
I never wear a helmet. When hearing things like this, I always think of this article.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1.... In the Netherlands no one wears a helmet. It seems safe to me.
- Peter Stuifzand
I was hit while riding to work in summer 2006 & did not want anyone to touch my helmet at all costs. If my brain was scrambled, I did not want anyone to touch my egg:) I highly recommend a helmet especially if you think you will not need one! Mine was almost the same color too & manufacturer, but there is no conspiracy there:)
- Roney Smith
Bicyclists/motorcyclists that don't wear helmets are better called future organ donors
- Brian Sullivan
that's incredible...
- Jamie Allen
from twhirl
Wow, glad to hear your friend is doing well after that. I agree, helmets save lives. Regardless, I've many intentional close-calls by drivers who don't want to share the road. Unfortunately, this is the common attitude where I live (southern US).
- pete
we wear helmets for everything: mtb, snowboarding, wakeboarding, skateboarding & even surfing - skulls are fragile why not put a protective layer around it (i also try real hard to not ride on streets - a high percentage of drivers are oblivious to bike riders)...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I always ride in my helmet and stay to bike lanes as much as possible. Nice to know the safety tools work. Now, if I can just avoid that NYPD cop with a penchant for knocking people off their bikes. Hopefully, he won't transfer to LAPD.
- Jason Toney
Peter Stuifzand, my cousin would be dead if she did not wear her helmet. That article is BS. Wear your helmet!
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
Point blank. You are a moron if you ride without a helmet. Sorry, but that's true and you're just going to play into Darwinian theory should you continue to ride without one. Any 'real' cyclist (e.g - you've been hit by a car - and yes, I have been) will tell you this without reservation. Helmets work without a doubt.
- AJ Kohn
I survived a nasty motorcycle crash in my youth and would also be dead without that helmet - which cracked in 2 like an egg (that would have been my head, as the nurse aptly put it!).
- Susan Beebe
A friend who's a cop refers to motorcycles as donorcycles whenever she sees someone riding without a helmet. I figure that applies for bicycles, too.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
I was on the way to work Monday morning while it was raining, when the third car in front of me spun out of control and flipped twice into a ditch. When I pulled over to help her out she was just fine. She only had a scratch on her left shoulder from the broken window and was not hurt anywhere else. THE REASON: She was wearing her seat belt. It's nice to hear that these devices are actually helping us!
- David Cook
Wow! I wear mine! Didn't for years - I was lucky I guess. Thanks for posting that!
- matthew hunt
OMG... Jesse, do you have a link other than here on FF? I have friends whose kids refuse to wear theirs, and seeing this may help.
- Cyndy
Cyndy why not just link here - http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Brian Sullivan
Dutch don't wear helmets and they don't get killed by cars http://www.ski-epic.com/amsterd....
- Peter Stuifzand
Actually they do get killed by cars. But culturally they are not inclined to wear helmets.
- Brian Sullivan
Cyndy, with this being dug out of the grave, I just noticed your question. That particular picture is from my cousin's blog here: http://thetopotheworld.blogspot.com/2008... You can read the full story here: http://thetopotheworld.blogspot.com/2008... Search for "run over by car" and you can read about her entire ordeal.
- Jesse Stay
My brother would not be alive today if he did not wear his helmet while riding his motorcycle; please wear a helmet!
- Sandra
man
- Shey
If it's nice enough to ride, I probably won't be bothering with the human-powered bike any longer. I always wear a helmet on my gas-powered bike.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
As long as we won't have mountains, we Dutch will not wear those things. Otherwise we won't be able to recognise the tourists on bikes.
- Ton Zijp
Thanks for sharing - I had a mishap with a car, wasn't wearing a helmet at the time, was lucky. If they don't see you, it doesn't matter either way. Wear the helmet!
- Rick Bucich
This isn't as extreme as this but when I fell off my bike onto a sidewalk and broke my arm, I thought I was fine for a while. Later, my dad noticed that the whole front of my helmet was all scratched up and the visor in front was torn off! I realized that if I wasn't wearing my helmet on the 2 minute trip down the road, I probably wouldn't be typing this comment right now! Not that I'd be dead but I would have suffered some head damage, limiting my ability to do most things.
- Kevin Lyons
Helmets for cyclists are mandatory in Australia. Still gives me the shudders when I'm travelling and see bareheaded bicyclists on the roads.
- Kate Foy
How to Create Your First iPhone Application - http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009...
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This how-to guide is supposed to walk you through the steps to make your idea for an iPhone app a reality. This post presents various ideas, techniques, tips, and resources that may come in handy if you are planning on creating your first iPhone application.
- Joshua Schnell
from Bookmarklet
New highly experimental #Dropbox build (0.7.2) adds LAN Syncing, new Finder/Explorer toolbar and performance increases. - http://forums.getdropbox.com/topic...
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LAN sync on Dropbox looks very clever.
- Bernie Goldbach
SweetFM brings tasty Last.fm integration to your Mac - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
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"I'm a big music fan, and I spend a good portion of my day listening to an iPod or iTunes because music helps me concentrate and stay motivated. I have a pretty extensive music collection, but I also enjoy streaming music services like Last.fm and Pandora to find new music, listen to a mix of related artists, or just play something random. My problem with streaming services is twofold: I don't like having to have a web browser open and I like to be able to easily switch songs, pause playback or even go back to iTunes. For Pandora, the excellent PandoraJam that Scott covered a few years ago is a great option, but until today, I hadn't had any luck finding a good Mac Last.fm client."
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
from Bookmarklet
wow, looks very nice..!
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
It's very nice, at a price (USD 30). The last.fm Mac client does streaming quite well, but the extra's sweet.fm offers make it very interesting.
- Peter van Teeseling
bump due to duplicate
- Zee.
What I posted today isn't a duplicate. It is new news on the App.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Sweet.fm went open source!
- Peter van Teeseling
1.1.2 is out, and works with the new API changes
- Ryan Massie
iTunes trick: To delete a track from your iTunes library from a Smart Playlist hold down shift + option when you press delete
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You don't need to hold shift, just option.
- dthree
David: oh yeah - your right. Thanks for the correction :)
- Mike Bracco
Happy birthday! The Walkman turns 30 #walkman - http://www.macworld.com/article...
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY WALKMAN!
- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
ahh the days of my youth walking around with my walkman :)
- (jeff)isageek
I last used a tape player back in 2001 i think. Holiday to Greece. Tapes ruled. No shuffling though...
- Alan (Giraffes)
I loved my Walkman. And making mixed tapes for long trips was always fun!
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
We remember that too. http://friendfeed.com/chinese...
- Paul
I loved mix tapes. You can't doodle on mp3's or CD like you could on the tape or tape cover.
- Rodfather
I still have a walkman and a discman. And a whole lot of tapes and mix tapes to transfer to digital
- SteVe C
I have a newer model of Walkman that I was using until I won my iPod. Also a red Discman.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Burglar left bruised and bleeding by retired boxer, 72 - WOW! - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news...
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wow is right.
- vijay
Must've been Clint's brother - separated at birth
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Reminds me of the guy from Seinfeld. "IT'S GO TIME!"
- Mike Smith
liking the " yeah? want a piece of me? " look he's giving.
- vijay
That is beyond badass - particularly when you consider that the guy has to tell people that an old man totally kicked his ass.
- Brett Kelly
...say hello to my little friend?
- Joshua Schnell
Ass. Whooped.
- Derrick
Pwnd!
- Susan Beebe
You do not mess with old man strength
- Will Higgins™
The judge said the punk 'got what he deserved'. GOD BLESS THE UK. Also the punk said he 'didn't remember what happened'. Of course he didn't, he got KNOCKED THE F*CK OUT.
- Will Higgins™
I imagine him standing over a bruised and bloody burglar saying "get off my lawn." The picture in my head is pretty epic.
- Aaron Hood
Sorry, I got a little excited by how awesome this story is. The guy kinda does look like Clint, doesn't he?
- Will Higgins™
"The Price is Right, bitch!"
- Anika
Will - yep, he does have the classic Clint Eastwood look goin' on... "feel lucky punk? well, do ya?!"
- Susan Beebe
lmao thats wat he gets for targeting an older person well done
- eric
Bit of Sean Connery about him: "You must never hesitate." Well done. "You're the man now, dog."
- Melanie Reed
way to deliver the beatdown! old dude shoulda feckin' made the kid's eyes match.
- Joe The Sausage
I want to party with this guy. The old dude, I mean. :)
- Hookuh Tinypants
Wow! Good for him.....I'm with Dead Silence!
- Bonnie Foster
NIIIIIIICE!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Good!
- Mo Kargas
the retired boxer "caressed" the burglar very efficiently :)
- Besim Dönmez
Do ya feel lucky punk? Well do ya?
- Tony C (Unrated)
Instead of like, can I love this article?
- Kreg Steppe
The authorities should stick this on lamposts
- Bill Masson
Hang it up in what ever jail dining hall the Ass Whoopee is going to be doing his 30 days in.
- Tony C (Unrated)
from fftogo
I just love it when a bad guy gets this shit beat out of him.
- Joey Gibson
love it! the old man is like, "how about I teach you a lesson, punk!"
- Phil Maxwell
Justice baby
- Chris Jackson
@Earl - he got 4.5 years for aggravated assault!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Owned! Wow!
- Rick Cogley
A big virtual pat on the back there eh... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
LOL Awesome! I wanna grow up to be just like him ;)
- Paul OFlaherty
This made me smile, how awesome this little fart got what he was due. How dare he pick on the elderly and how wonderful the elderly did rearranging some youthful behavior.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
He got 4 and 1/2 years in prison along with the beat down.
- Brent - Yes I am
Ouch. he got rearranged alright.
- Vicarbott
OMG this made the top of the FF "Best of day" ... LOL
- Susan Beebe
I love that the judge said he got what he deserved. Seriously, more older people should be this strong. Awesome.
- Rick Cogley
awesome!
- AJ Batac :)
That is why you finish the job here in the US and then place a pointy object in the assailants hand. More mess but less litigation. Odd how blind lady justice can be.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Ouch… :S
- Daniel Schildt
Good Job Sir. He got what he asked for!
- Usman Bashir
What’s in Sarah’s purse? (via aaroNiGHTS) - http://leo.tumblr.com/post...
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its movie magic without the editing
- Taylor Hutchison
This was so much fun to watch. I loved it! LOL
- Jennifer Ruggiero
We just launched a "Secret email address" service that makes it possible to post to groups anonymously from any email address. This is a bit of a power-user feature, but it's a very useful for automated posting from scripts, forwarding email (e.g. customer service email), etc.
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Here at the office, we use it to forward all of our mercurial changelog emails, server push notifications, etc to a private group. That way, we all see what's going on in real-time (thanks to the notifier: http://friendfeed.com/setting...), and can easily discuss them from the FriendFeed interface. To add a secret email address, click on "Import a service" in the "settings" dialog of any group. For regular posting, you should continue to use the normal email interface though (share@friendfeed.com or groupname@friendfeed.com, see http://friendfeed.com/share... for details). Thanks to Tudor for writing and launching this!
- Paul Buchheit
Shhh! This is very sekret!
- Andrew Trinh
Interesting. My secret FriendFeed toy.
- phil baumann
I'm in my Private Group, but for the life of me I cannot find this option. Wouldn't it be under Edit Settings?
- Nick in Manila
Ah. NOW I see it.
- Nick in Manila
I am loving this feature idea... Very savvy for business use. Thanks!
- Susan Beebe
Matthew: No. Your home feed only shows things that you're subscribed to. Of course, if you're a member of a group whose admin allows anonymous posting, and you have that group on your home feed, then the anonymous posts will show up there -- but then, you can always leave the group or remove it from your home feed.
- Tudor Bosman
oh this is genius. there's so many use cases that can leverage this. platform +1
- Sameer
Groups already allow "anonymous" posts -- if you (as an admin) add a service to a group, posts originating from that service will show as belonging to the room, not to any particular user. You can think of anonymous posts (whether imported from RSS services, or posted by email) as being the responsibility of the group admins -- it's their job to police them if they deem necessary.
- Tudor Bosman
I see this working for the Confessions room. What else?
- Josh Haley
Sounds like the email can be sent from any arbitrary email address, not necessarily one registered with FriendFeed for an account? So the secret really needs to be kept secret to valid potential posters only.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logical Extremes: Yes, that is the point; it doesn't matter what address you send *from*. Sometimes you can't control the address that mail gets sent from. A few examples: your datacenter can notify you by email of any problems affecting your servers, but you'd prefer these notifications to go to a FriendFeed group. You are subscribed to a low-volume distribution list, but you'd rather...
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- Tudor Bosman
Paul has explained how we use this feature internally at FriendFeed. If one of us checks in a change (we use Mercurial for source control), Mercurial sends an email to a secret email address for a private group (that all FF engineers are subscribed to); the others see the change immediately, and we can discuss it in comments.
- Tudor Bosman
Cool! Very useful for room owners. If you don't have instructions, it's very hard to find. "Sekret"
- AJ Batac :)
LD: I don't understand. To which of my examples are you referring?
- Tudor Bosman
Oh yeah. Laughing uncontrollably. WOW.
- Webferret
It sounds like a pro-spam feature. Have you thought through all the consequences?
- Tim Tyler
Tim: the group admins should keep the address secret and only share it with trusted services. If the address gets leaked, then the group can get spammed, in which case the group admins can delete it or change it (which prevents all future mail to the old address from being posted to the group). We believe it to be reasonably secure, but please let us know if you notice any problems.
- Tudor Bosman
Matthew: :)
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor, you said: "posts originating from that service will show as belonging to the room, not to any particular user". But the posts /do/ show up as belonging to the admin user in a _search result_.
- Ahsan Ali
Ahsan, that's a bug that already existed with how searches handle imported content in groups (not specific to this release and already on our list, thanks).
- Dan Hsiao
LD: You're right, you can't reply from within FriendFeed. You could have the contact form send email to both the internal group and a regular email address, which you can then use to send a reply.
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor: btw. regarding mercurial, what's your experience using mercurial in friendfeed vs perforce in google?
- Amund Tveit
Tudor - what I really like is the business use cases you're laying out here, including your own internal engineering ones. Good stuff, as my e2.0 buddy Sameer above says.
- Hutch Carpenter
using this feature to post blog uptime statistics for several blog to blog owners
- Jeroen De Miranda
Its a good feeling when you know that the people behind a certain product know what there doing. Dont we FF Team?
- Webferret
Use case? How can one use the best readily filtering system available (Gmail filters) with best of breed group collaboration (Friendfeed). This is GOING to become the best in its class. I can drop so many business tools(that i pay for) for just FF Private rooms
- Webferret
Already is Webferret, already is...
- Chris Heath
sweet
- D Lets
Turn Gmail Into Your Personal Nerve Center http://www.micropersuasion.com/2007...
- Webferret
Amund: Mercurial works. We use it in a mostly-centralized setup (one central repo that we sync to very often). Can't really compare performance -- our repositories are tiny compared to Google's. We can take this offline if you'd like to discuss this in more detail.
- Tudor Bosman
That's a great add-on. Slowly, FF is going to be our "life center"
- Özkan Altuner
So this is kinda like when you posted the "advert"? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: not quite; the "shameless self-promotion" showed up as an entry in your home feed, without any user (or group) name attached to it. Entries imported into a room (via RSS or via email) show up as being in that room.
- Tudor Bosman
OK, Tudor. I'll give it a test later. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is a cool idea, but it only seems to import the mail subject title only. Is that right, if so, how do we get the content of the mail in, or is it not meant to do that?
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
Keith: it works for me. The subject goes in the main post (FF thread title?) and the message appears as a comment to the thread. Maybe you are sending an HTML e-mail?
- alieb
Cheers alieb, I just tested it by forwarding the first mail in my inbox and that didn't show anything up. Creating a mail and adding some text to the mail body works correctly. Thanks for the help.
- Keith Bennett
I just figured out a new use for this feature and it goes in line with Kevin Rose's idea for an Open Source security system. http://www.facebook.com/video... He was talking about having a neighborhood watch like program. Well each neighborhood can have a private room here in FF. If someone tripped an alarm in your house, it would send an email to the secret email for the private group and everyone in the group could be notified via email,IM,SMS,etc.
- BRҰANSAҰS
I think this secret address should be reminded somewhere in each group settings window.
- Zackatoustra
@Bryan Lee. shhhh lol
- Webferret
Zacaktoustra: group admins will see the address in the "services" window (click "add/edit" under Services in the settings dialog). Other group members will only see the words "secret email address", as, well, the address is supposed to be secret and only visible to admins.
- Tudor Bosman
could we have this for home feeds as well? some 3rd party messaging services will send from various addresses. great feature, thanks!
- Mike Chelen
I'm blonde so maybe need to tell you what I'd like to do and see if it works: I would like to have my ATT mail, my Yahoo mail AND my gmail all feed into a FF room so I could read it all at the same time (ATT and Yahoo are partnered so you can't sign into both at the same time. Both go through Yahoo's sign in page.) Is this possible to create? Having ATT and Yahoo feed into my Gmail through FF would be okay as well, btw. I get FF feeds through GMail already.
- Molly
Molly, what you're asking for is totally unrelated to this thread. If i was you I would set up gmail to receive the mail from your other email addresses. It's a bit complicated but can be done. Try reading this lifehacker gmail article first: http://lifehacker.com/374610...
- Chris Heath
Well said Heath
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Heath, thanks. I told you I'm blonde. :-P I tried your suggestion already and so far haven't been able to hook ATT and Yahoo to my Gmail (both being POP accounts) w/o paying extra. Will work on it again later. It's not THAT much trouble to check all three accounts from different sources.
- Molly
from email
Molly, another option (if att offers it - i know yahoo does) is to set up forwarding so the email is automatically forwarded from ATT and Yahoo to your gmail address. Then once in gmail you can use filtering (by the to: field) to separate out the emails
- Chris Heath
I think that's the paid service from Yahoo. At least it was when I investigated it a few months ago. Thanks for thinking about it for me, though. Us techblondes need all the help we can get re: setting stuff up. I'm kind of on hold right now anyway (trying to recover my domain name and identity....... long story and boring to all but me). Molly
- Molly
from email
Wow! This is awesome! Thanks.
- Svartling
cool neat improvements, gotta like this shit.
- Dorothy Mercredi
Some website: “iPods are not good wedding gifts” - http://www.crunchgear.com/2009...
Tony C (Unrated), Kol Tregaskes, edythe and 22 other people liked this
Basically, some “gadget matchmaker” service called Retrevo ran a study asking newlyweds what gadgets they wanted as wedding gifts. 38% wanted a camcorder, 24% wanted a digitial camera, and 2% wanted an MP3 player.
- Shevonne
Man, I just love the photo.
- Aron Michalski
Me too.
- Chris Charabaruk
liking this for the funny image :D
- AJ Batac :)
That pic is win.
- Eric
I can sense someone isn't the marrying kind haha
- Shevonne
who makes a cake like that - what I thought was funny was that the pic has nothing to do with the article other than showing newlyweds.
- Robert Freeze
What's funny are the arrows. <-Cake ->Real Lady...like the reader can't tell haha
- Shevonne
Okay, I just submitted this to cakewrecks.com - maybe they can find out more about it!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2008... edit: YES! The TV interview link still works! http://cbs11tv.com/video...
- Andrew C (✓)
ooopsie - didn;t see this when I submitted it!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
the totally weird thing is that I took a screenshot of it and named it bridezilla....freaky!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
The later comments indicate it might be a cultural thing. Still, as Homer Simpson said: "Their clothes are different from my clothes. [laughs] Look at what they're wearing! [laughs more]" *cough*
- Andrew C (✓)
Andrew: thanks for the link and video - awesome!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
"Darling?" "Yes, Dear?" "Eat me. No really." (That's sort of the conversation, I picture around this picture.)
- Nimabeckie
Face recognition comes to Flickr | Webware - CNET - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
TiTi, Göze Sencer, Lars Clausen and 65 other people liked this
Without any big fuss, a face-recognition feature has been added to Flickr. The new feature was launched recently by Swedish start-up Polar Rose. It lets users import all their photos from a Flickr account to an account on Polar Rose, where the images are then automatically assembled into groups dedicated to various individuals. As with similar features in Google Picasa and Apple iPhoto, names eventually show up next to faces in the photos once the user has identified the faces. The labels then get sent back to the Flickr account. Polar Rose, founded by Swedish mathematician Jan Erik Solem in 2004, intends to license its technology to numerous Web sites.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
I wonder if it'll work any better than the crappy face recognition in iPhoto...
- Shawn C. Reed
trying this at Polar Rose right now. Not sure how well it's going to handle my trying to import almost 24,000 photos into the site.
- Thomas Hawk
I saw Hakan Dahlstrom use it and thought "FINALLY"
- Shevonne
it's still "processing" my images after several hours now. I'm not so sure this thing is going to work for me.
- Thomas Hawk
I think I will wait till Flickr implements this internally. Surely they will have to implement it at some stage.
- CJPhoto
Google should have developed a face recognition system out of Picasa Web Albums. An API or something. They could have offered a way to identify faces on your PC, on Google Image, on FriendConnect-enabled websites and even Street View 2.0.
- Jérôme
Giving it a try now. Estimates 30 minutes to process my 900 photos.
- Andy Roth
No estimate for m 24,000 photos. simply a "processing your photos" progress bar with no progress indicated.
- Thomas Hawk
There aren't any faces in my Flickr stream, however I do use the face recognition in Picasa Web Albums and it works very well.
- Kenton
I'm alpha testing the face.com Photo Finder in Facebook, and that process seems less complex (at least to the user). Rather than explicitly telling you that Facebook photos are being exported to a separate account, Photo Finder allows you to appear to remain in Facebook as your photos are being processed.
- John E. Bredehoft
Same here... hours later, and still processing. Hmmm.
- Herb Hernandez
Herb, how many pictures do you have?
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
24,000 pictures at once ? going by Andy's estimate, 13 hours worth. plus (hopefully) a 100% penalty for being silly enough to do so many at once.
- martin english
my ff crashed & facebook account would not let back in 4 now, thats ff's problems, I need 2 try w/Windows. I was using Kubuntu, one of the flavor of Ubuntu.
- polou/indigo_bow
so far Polar Rose has performed poorly in recognising other instances of the same person, though it generally knows when there is a face in the photo (although it also spends quite a lot of time asking me if rocks, lights, twigs, shadows etc are people)
- Ned Baker
so far I'm very unimpressed with Polar Rose. I checked it today and it only imported about 2,200 of my 24,000 photos. Worse than that though, performance on the site is awful. I keep getting a Firefox error message about an unresponsive script taking too long. They don't segregate out which of your photos have people in them vs. photos that do not so you are paging endlessly looking at thumbnails that are way to large to try and even find a photo you've got with a photo in it. Not at all user friendly.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm wary of apps like these now. I tried out Fotonaut several weeks ago and the app silently deleted my tags.
- jho
Tried again on Win7beta, hmm, face recognition r precise. I am mixed about these kinds of recognition unless they r used for login or security or confirm friendship purposes??? What do u folks think??
- polou/indigo_bow
What do I think? Disclosure - I am employed in the biometrics industry. However, I assert that the possibility of Big Brother ganging up on the populace is remote. For example, after 9/11, it took YEARS for the FBI and DHS to exchange data.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I believe the military has been doing this for a while.
- anna sauce
bookofjoe: Lamp No. 1 - http://www.bookofjoe.com/2009...
ihsaniye, SokooteDel, Amoon ☼☁ and 2 other people liked this
Dutch Coffee- beautiful imagery - http://fenyu.org/dutch-coffee/
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click thru for 3 more of these lovelies.
- vijay
from Bookmarklet
What are people using for FriendFeed on the iPhone? An app (if so which one) or the iphone web interface or the standard web interface?
Jan Friman, Cheryl Jones, metalerik and 7 other people liked this
Nambu works works will and is a freebie!
- Ron Brett
I've got BuddyFeed installed but I tend to use http://friendfeed.com/iphone/ in Safari as all the information I need is on one page.
- John Francis
I'm very happy with using http://friendfeed.com/iphone/
- Ward Seward
i just started using motherfeed
- B2B Specialist
BuddyFeed has been my favorite for a while now ...
- Patrick Jordan
Nambu works with friendfeed, twetter and ping.fm
- David Foucher
BuddyFeed. The UI is snappier than the iPhone site and I don't need to sacrifice a Safari tab. I wasn't happy with Nambu cuz it sacrifices FF features by trying to do too much.
- David Chartier
I had a similar feeling with Nambu, and also found it less solid (buggy / crashiness wise) than BuddyFeed ...
- Patrick Jordan
I was using MotherFeed but didn't really like it too much
- Simon Tracey
Buddyfeed loaded today. So far I like it better than safari or nambu
- Julian Seery Gude
from BuddyFeed
I've just realized you can customize the BuddyFeed toolbar to include Comments and Likes icons. This is so much better now.
- John Francis
from BuddyFeed
Thanks all. I just bought BuddyFeed. It seems to work quite well. Better than Motherfeed or Nambu (which crashes frequently).
- John Collis
I'm using friendfeed.com/iphone and I'm finding it very functional
- Andrew Wielandt
played with buddyfeed beta and nambu. dont really have a favorite
- Isaac Zahavi
just using the iphone version of friendfeed.com
- edythe
BuddyFeed - but there are times the screen doesn't refresh properly -
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I was using Buddyfeed until they brought back "My Discussions" to the iPhone page.
- Rob H.
Using Nambu. Hoping for new upgraded version soooooon ;) I really wish @peoplebrowsr would release an iPhone app. Please :)
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
Trent Reznor confirms Nine Inch Nails app for BlackBerry - http://www.blackberrycool.com/2009...
Roney Smith, Rob H., Mona Nomura and Christopher Aloi liked this
Trent Reznor has somehow made the transition from Nine Inch Nails to technology guru, and he’s taking the Nine Inch Nails app to BlackBerry. When Trent’s iPhone app was denied, he had a few things to say about the current hardware on the market: The iPhone is THE most elegant, modern smartphone at this point in time and it’s perfect for what we want to do with the NIN app - except for the ludicrous approval process, and that’s what I want to draw attention to. Android is cool, but nobody has an Android phone. Blackberry is OK but the hardware is inconsistent and WinMo straight-up sucks balls. If Apple doesn’t get it together, we will most certainly make it available to the jailbreak community. I didn’t invest in this app to see it languish on the sidelines from an idiotic policy while this tour is in full swing.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
from Bookmarklet
what could a NIN app possibly do or in what capacity would it work? anyone know?
- Cee Bee
LOL no idea maybe it helps you put on eye liner?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Cee Bee, I wondered the same thing, myself. If it were Nirvana, I'd assume it just doles money out to Lars. I guess I'm the only one who disagreed with Trent's WinMo comment. I rather think BlackBerry's OS sucks more than WinMo.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
It features a news and photo blog, a media pages featuring videos, wallpaper and fan made remixes and playlists, a location based chat tab and logging in to the forums and messaging system.
- Rob H.
So Apple (finally!) responded directly to Microsoft's Laptop Hunters commercials. This is getting good! http://movies.apple.com/media...
Cem Ozkaynak, Paul Stamatiou, Brian Milby and 55 other people liked this
oh snap
- Jay
can Apple really advertise "no crashes"? Microsoft's ads are leading too but damn
- Richard Lawler
She's cute
- Rodfather
Richard, the only things that ever crash on my Mac are Microsoft's office products.
- David Eedle
and my pc never crashes, we can all play this game. crashes and lockups happen all the time, on all different platforms. I just want to know who will have my refund when a kernel panic happens. If they said "less" it would be one thing, but they didn't.
- Richard Lawler
Yeah, I've managed to lock up my Mac Pro a few times. Not very often, but it's possible.
- Tom Harrison
I agree with Richard. I really honestly just don't understand the Mac vs. PC debate anymore. They're essentially the same thing now, you just get things done a little differently.
- Tyler Hayes
I'm a Megan
- Johnny
Tyler: it's not a Mac vs PC thing anymore it's Mac vs Windows (which can be reduced to Mac vs PC) but at it's core, it's apple vs microsoft ... plus the mac is a Personal Computer, but since Microsoft has given PCs a bad name they tried to brand the Mac as not a PC as to not muddle their brand's image.
- Chris Heath
Great commercial - it's that simple!
- Medical Alarm Concepts
That was great
- Abbas Haider Ali
I love it. I'm a PC ... but I want a Mac.
- Angela Schelden
the posted link is never working for me...Nevermind, found it on youtube.
- JoEllen
Dear Apple, I have a PC that also does not crash, doesn't have viruses, and is not a headache to deal with. It's called, Linux. Thank you, and I am a PC running Linux.
- Wizetux
Dear Apple, I have a PC that also does not crash (as long as I keep it free of dustbunnies), doesn't have viruses and is not a headache to deal with...It's called Windows XP. I'm a PC.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
This is funny, but continuing the same campaign isn't a big enough response. They need to come up with a campaign that resonates as well as the Laptop Hunters series.
- Stephen Mack
I'm a PC and I'll stay that way. I've built my own for about 15 years now and can't even remember the last time I crashed.
- JCunwired
I'm a PC. I like having that $1300 in my bank account instead of Apple's.
- Piaw Na
this is a pretty good response to the MS ads
- Jamie
MS cant compete with hardware or commercials. Apple always ups them.
- wowfreeze.blogspot.com
Search for Bandit the Wallaroo gaining global attention
Christopher Aloi liked this
Folks all over Central New York just can’t get enough of one-year-old Bandit the Wallaroo. T-shirts have been made for folks who are looking for him, or just big fans....
Is Your Son a Computer Hacker? - http://www.adequacy.org/public...
nacho vega, Kasper Sorensen, M F and 35 other people liked this
Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school. If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.
- Leo Laporte
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card...
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- invariant
At the risk of exposing my own ignorance, I must admit I can't tell how much of that site is made up and how much could be real people's actual concerns about technology. I guess it's hilarious either way, but a little less sad if people didn't actually fear computers this way.
- midnightgolfer
It's a hilarious article, that I've seen before. Like many of us, I'm half-afraid that there are those that will take it seriously. (or that already take parts of it seriously...)
- Don Faulkner
In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically. ~ now that explains the heavy doses of prozac & seroquel I am now taking! hehehe
- Matt Sengle
I remember being exposed to this sort of ridiculous nonsense as a kid using computers. My parents luckily weren't dumb enough to buy into what amounts to idiocy.
- Dane Deasy
They make Quake sound like Second Life. Actually, that sounds kinda cool.
- Matthew
video of Leo and Martin talking about this on the screensavers http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- jccalhoun
I sure am glad this is an old article; hopefully the author has been informed of how the world works by now. However, it worries me that there are still parents in this world who do feel this way.
- Eric Geller
"I must admit I can't tell how much of that site is made up" - well, I understand the sentiment, but isn't the site name a hint that it's probably a satirical hipster-y site?
- Andrew C (✓)
A nice parody or a very inaccurate article - either way it's pretty funny
- Rob Owen
FYI, it is parody.
- dthree
I know it is satire but I have heard people talking like this. Proof that a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Anyone notice it is from 2001?
- Robert C
I saw an article the other day about some university freaking out because someone saw a student typing in a linux command line. MUST BE A HACKER!! OH NOES!
- iTad
Yep, I read the about the same kid.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
kinda hope he does ,my kid is one and he already loves ipod already so does our little girl. true geeks in the making!
- andrew cool
This is classic. Gotta love it when people are afraid of something just because they don't want to understand it.
- Jerry C Mancuso
I wish mine was, I have to do all the family tech support :-(
- Henry Stevens
No hackers here even though I think one will at some point in time I welcome it :)
- Dan Krivolavek
from twhirl
This isn't exactly feedback, cuz I'm sure I'm doing it wrong, but how do I bring in rich media using the Custom RSS service import? This is the URL I have: http://www.nationalservice.gov/rss_pho... This site does not expose the atom or xml version of this feed - how would I find those?
Vox, Matthew, ianf ⌘ and 11 other people liked this
Hey I am not sure this is what your looking for, but if you scrolled down to the bottom of the page their is the xml logo at the very bottome which if you click on it gives you the rss feed for CNC S
- Kim Landwehr
Laura, I found this feed: http://www.nationalservice.gov/rss... but upon testing it in FF it appears they do not support MediaRSS and thus you get no images on the feed. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
yup, that's what I experienced, Kol. They have many feeds but I was unable to get photos for the ones that *should* have photos.
- Laura Norvig
Laura, the no-media-in-posts problem is one of the things that irritated me the most about FF. So a few days ago I developed a service which automatically inserts media references (images only, currently) into feeds so that FF can recognize them. This is the URL service call for your feed: http://feed-buster.appspot.com/mediaIn.... You can test how the feed will look like in FF here: http://friendfeed.com/api.... Hope this helps :)
- Ivan Zuzak
Oh, and - the service is in heavy alpha, so let me know if it breaks for some other feeds (just put the feed URL after the "inputFeedUrl=" in the URL above). I'm still working on the service and will announce it to other FFers as soon as I do a bit more testing.
- Ivan Zuzak
Wow, that is awesome, Ivan, thanks! And thanks for pointing me to the page to test the feed look. I was importing and deleting just to see what feeds looked like.
- Laura Norvig
hey everyone. here's an update on my service: i think i got most of the bugs fixed. please visit the project website (http://code.google.com/p...) and this Google Groups post (http://groups.google.com/group...) for usage instructions and more info on the service. i'd appreciate your feedback! thanks!
- Ivan Zuzak
Thanks, Ivan. This could be *very* useful.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is exactly what I've been looking for. Well, except for the part where it isn't natively done by FF. :)
- Karl Knechtel
Ivan, found a bug. Check this import: http://beta.friendfeed.com/kol-fav.... It's importing 2 images - one big and one small by the looks of it - I've tested the TC feed (http://feedproxy.google.com/TechCru...) and find it brings up no images. Any ideas why your version is importing 2 pics?
- Kol Tregaskes
Also, Ivan, it doesn't appear to work with public Google Reader stuff, see here: http://feed-buster.appspot.com/mediaIn...
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol - awesome, thanks for testing the service out! I'll check it out today and post back here when I figure it out. Cheers!
- Ivan Zuzak
Thanks, Ivan. I can certainly use this, just wish FF would would separately paragraphs as separate comments for such feeds. I don't want the full article but perhaps the first 3 paragraphs as individual comments - just makes it a little tidier.
- Kol Tregaskes
Paragraphs as separate comments is an idea I can get behind. The number of paragraphs sounds like it should be an option you set when you import the feed.
- Karl Knechtel
Ivan, if there is more than one image does you script import them or just the first one?
- Kol Tregaskes
Agree it should be an optional on the Add/Remove RSS feed page, Karl.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for the feedback, guys. I agree with you on the paragraphs->comments ideas and would definitely like to see some advanced RSS importing options to support that. It's a shame that nothing can be done on feeds themselves to force this change (like I did for images), it's a FF UI thing. We can only nag FF developers and hope they'll make this happen :)
- Ivan Zuzak
Kol, thanks again for the help in finding bugs! I've created two issue reports on the project website (http://code.google.com/p... and http://code.google.com/p...). I believe I've fixed the bug concerning the Google Reader feed, and explained the problem with the TechCrunch feed. I think I'll try to implement the solution I suggested for the problematic TechCrunch feed (any thoughts?).
- Ivan Zuzak
Regarding multiple images - the service imports all images it finds. So, yeah, all images should be shown, not only the first one. Duplicates are thrown away. There is also an issue with images that do not have a width and height set. I have found that if an image set contains an image with an undefined height and width - only one image from the set will be shown. I'll have to investigate this more further to understand why FF behaves this way.
- Ivan Zuzak
Ivan, excellent. Looking forward to that. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Dinosaur Comics, given this treatment, imports a "dinosaur comics" title image that isn't really useful. But better to have that and a thumbnail of the comic, than to have nothing; and there's no obvious way to filter it out.
- Karl Knechtel
You're absolutely right, Karl! There's no easy way of telling which images are useful content and which are ads//headers and such. So I'm open to all kinds of hacks and workarounds :) For this problem, I'm thinking that I can conclude that an image is not "content" if it is present in at least 3 feed posts in the feed. So, for the Dinosaur Comics feed - I can find all the images from all the posts, and throw away the ones that appear in 3 or more posts, thinking that it's probably the title image. Thoughts?
- Ivan Zuzak
Kol, Karl - I've fixed the two issues you reported. The Dinosaur Comics feed should no longer show the title image and the TechCrunch should no longer show double images. Give me a shout if something's still broken. A lot of other issues are still unresolved, but for those I'll have to get feedback from FF developers.
- Ivan Zuzak
Excellent. Sounds like a good heuristic to me, too.
- Karl Knechtel
Ivan, excellent!! I'm finding that it's taking quite some time to load the images but I think it might actually be a problem with RSS imported feeds in general on FF. If I find any more issues, I'll report back. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol - yeah, i'm guessing it's a FF RSS-import thing, as you said. my service doesn't actually fetch any images, it just adds some XML items to the feed.
- Ivan Zuzak
quick update: the service now also supports youtube videos, vimeo videos, and mp3 links. if a blog posts embeds any of these - they should be shown in FF as media after the feed is processed with my service. try it out (http://code.google.com/p...) and let me know what you think! thanks!
- Ivan Zuzak
Cool, Ivan. Thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This awesome Ivan. Although I tried it with my Google Reader Shared items URL but it returned with errors. But it's a very cool application. This will help a lot of FF'ers
- Matthew
Thanks Matthew! Can you give me the problematic URL so I can explore and fix the issue? Cheers!
- Ivan Zuzak
Brief update: the service should now show more (all) images in the feed. Previously images without width/height attributes were dropped since those were not displayed by FriendFeed. Now I'm using an external service (http://img2json.appspot.com/) to retrieve image metadata, so all images should be shown. Let me know if you any experience issues, and thanks for your support!
- Ivan Zuzak
Excellent, I presume I don't have to change anything in the RSS' URL? If not, I'll check my imported feeds a little later. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yep, you don't have to change anything, just wait for new feed posts to appear.
- Ivan Zuzak
Cool, ta, Ivan.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ivan, your script doesn't appear to work on the new Facebookx RSS. I mean the RSS you get via this: http://apps.facebook.com/newsfee...
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Kol! I think I fixed that issue now. Let me know if it's still not working for you.
- Ivan Zuzak
Yep it works but no actual pics come through to test it. Not worried. I don't think I'll use the FB feed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
AppEngine let's me see every request made to my service, so I took a peek at that FB feed and - there are no pictures in it. I'm guessing it's only a list of links which FB pulls in and handles outside the scope of the actual feed. I'm actually working on another service which will pull images not only from feed items, but from webpages that the feed items point to. This will be useful...
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- Ivan Zuzak
Ivan, sounds very cool. FF should set this as a standard for their RSS imports.
- Kol Tregaskes
I've been having a similar problem trying to import RSS feed from Twitter into FF- FF doesn't seem to regonise the atom or RSS output from Twitter . . .
- Chris Loft
You're right Chris, I'm having the same issue with importing Twitter timeline feeds. Interestingly, FF doesn't seem to have problems with feeds from Twitter search results (e.g. http://search.twitter.com/search...). Anyone have any idea what's up with importing Twitter feeds?
- Ivan Zuzak
Dropbox - http://wakoopa.com/softwar...
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works like a charm
- Kiran Patchigolla
Dropbox has saved my wife's computer at least 3 times. Law school would have been a disaster for her with out.
- Eric
Dropbox has saved my "cheese" many a time. I'm not above the 2gb limit, but I am thinking about sending my money their way anyhow.
- Dennis
+1 from a pro user - DropBox is fab and the versioning feature has saved my bacon a few times.
- Jules
+1 again. i *love* dropbox. i got tired of carrying around usb sticks with conflicting versions of documents, and shuttling from computer to computer in my life, each with different versions of docs i need. no more with dropbox.
- Frank Jurden
+10 dropbox is amazing, been waiting for Leo to try it/talk about it.
- Christopher Aloi
I've been using box.net... its suprisingly robust.
- tojfs7931
Love this.
- Mark Krynsky
I use this to sync my Mac, Windows, and Linux netbook files. It works great!
- Dan MacDonald
I love Dropbox. Used it since I got a closed beta invite ages ago. I use it to sync files between 2 PCs, 2 Macs and a Linux box. It works flawlessly.
- Paul Wade
I use Dropbox alot and love it, just like svn without needing to do svn commit, or svn update
- Frank
Dropbox is a great service. I use it mainly to backup. If anyone wants to signup use my referral: https://www.getdropbox.com/referra... and you get extra 256MB (and so do i ;) ).
- Pedro Fonseca
I have a pro account and use it to share documents easy and collaborate with a colleague on daily basis while working on the same project. Works like a charm.
- Bart Muskala - AdNerd Sr.
from twhirl
Pedro: Thanks, just signed up, used your referral.
- Daniel Rowley
@Daniel: thank You, hope you enjoy it.
- Pedro Fonseca
Gary Fisher stylee
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$2k
- Carlos Ayala
I love my GF Sugar. It's so sweet!
- petar vucetin
Nice bike and AWESOME paint on the walls.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
@nick for the record, this bad boy is not mine and the walls belong to the trek store. :(
- Carlos Ayala
just got the expired domain 486dx.com, no idea what I'll do w/it, but the nerd in me is happy I got it!
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Whatever you make, it needs a Turbo button.
- Kevin Fox
i want 486sx. my family was cheap and wouldn't spring for the dx.
- MG Siegler
Indeed, Turbo button is required.
- Chris Charabaruk
A worth while investment :)
- Connor "The Lazy Geek"
startmenuscrollprograms.com
- Andrew Leahey
Man, those were the days. My 486DX2 really screamed at 32Mhz! PS/2 4 life!
- Steve and 3 other people
DIR /P
- Robert Kenney
Oh yeah, did I mention that PS/2 486DX2 machine was running OS/2 Warp? Best. OS. EVAR!
- Steve and 3 other people
Sweet! I did some of my best programming on the 486DX. Actually I still got one of them. Good times. Those were the days. :-)
- John McCullough
Chris, Turbo button! Exactly.
- Micah
The 486 took me through university, but I remember having Pentium envy part way through.
- Micah
But remember the actual function of the turbo button was to slow things down! lol
- Pat Hawks
w00t built-in math co-processor!
- rob friedman
ThisPiggy.com » Blog Archive » 14 Pizzas Worth Dying For - http://thispiggy.com/2009...
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BMW pwns Audi - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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You have to click through to the photo to read the billboards full size.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Brilliant ad. And it doesn't hurt that the size of the BMW billboard is 5 times as tall as the Audi ad.
- Mike Doeff
I wonder if BMW paid for both billboards or if the Audi one is a legitimate Audi billboard.
- Thomas Hawk
did you see the newer audi ad? http://www.autoblog.com/2009...
- Richard Lawler
That is brilliant advertizing!
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
That is AWESOME pwnage!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
nicely done
- BEX
Very good!
- JCunwired
What should Audi's reply back? Aside from that posted by Richard.
- AJ Batac :)
There's no way they can top this. Checkmate is final. Requesting a rematch would be very bad advertising.
- JCunwired
Illegal move
- AJ Batac :)
This is a known fact, Thomas ;) Thanks for posting this!
- Michael Forian
YES!!!!! hahaha BMW still owns the road dude! LOL
- Susan Beebe
mark no one's reading the thread.
- Richard Lawler
Bigger ad budget
- orionstarr
can you say "penis envy"?
- Michael
BMW beat Audi when the morons switched brands. These days the idiot stuck to your bumper in the fast lane is more likely to be in an audi than another car
- Phill Price
@Phil, who's the moron, the guy on your rear bumper or the guy obstructing traffic in the "fast" lane?
- Michael Hart
teh awesome
- j1m
wow. no one reads the comments
- Richard Lawler
? I've now read them, but I'm not sure what you're referring to.
- j1m
click the link in my first comment.
- Richard Lawler
Digg frontpage after marijuana legalization [Pic] - http://www.sharenator.org/Digg_fr...
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Apartment Therapy The Kitchn | Tastes Like Summer: The Perfect Tomato Sandwich - http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitc...
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"This is how we make ours. Nothing fancy — no bacon or lettuce or even toasted bread. Just plain, white bread, lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper. The tomato juice runs out with the mayonnaise, leaving milky, pink drips on the plate... Heaven. How do you make your tomato sandwiches?"
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
this is making my mouth water even more than the samoa bars...
- edythe
I could eat home-grown tomato sammies for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
- BEX
All of the above, but sometimes I add garlic powder. And for a meal, a slice or two of bacon...
- FFing Enigma
i haven't had a good tomato from the store in a long time. had some good heirloom tomato salads at a restaurant here and there in the last few years, but that's about it. i grew up eating such good tomatoes and such good tomato sandwiches. [sigh] they can be almost like candy.
- edythe
Oooh, I also toast the bread Wallace! Otherwise it gets too soggy...
- FFing Enigma
*shudders*
- Outsanity
Drizzle of olive oil, bit o oregano, on lightly toasted. No mayo, though Miracle Whip can tempt me.
- Michael W. May
Damn that looks good...and I don't have anything that remotely resembles these ingredients and I'm too lazy to go out and get them. I need someone to make me a sammich
- Mark Krynsky
Mmm, I love tomatoes
- Ahsan Ali
home-grown tomatoes, fresh bread, pepper and salt, a little mayo (or not), maybe some melted cheese... mmm mmm good.
- docrivs
Sleep Walking Dog! - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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