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Google Wave Is The Future of Real Time Collaboration - http://www.michaelfruchter.com/blog...
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The View Near a Black Hole. April Hobart, CXC - http://apod.nasa.gov/apod...
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"In the center of a swirling whirlpool of hot gas is likely a beast that has never been seen directly: a black hole. Studies of the bright light emitted by the swirling gas frequently indicate not only that a black hole is present, but also likely attributes. The gas surrounding GRO J1655-40, for example, has been found to display an unusual flickering at a rate of 450 times a second. Given a previous mass estimate for the central object of seven times the mass of our Sun, the rate of the fast flickering can be explained by a black hole that is rotating very rapidly. What physical mechanisms actually cause the flickering -- and a slower quasi-periodic oscillation (QPO) -- in accretion disks surrounding black holes and neutron stars remains a topic of much research."
- Amira
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Seattle Kingdome Demolition (March 26, 2000) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I was there for that. Good times, good times.
- Akiva Moskovitz
:(
- joey
I was there 5 years earlier when they spent a few million $$ to repair the inside of the roof (and put a new liner on the outside) 'cuz chunks of the ceiling were falling onto the field.
- Mark Jepsen
Twitter me this, Einstein.
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LMAO!
- Lindsey is Fierce!
A reason for a retweet if I ever saw one!
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Awesome
- Ben Jackson
from twhirl
still funny
- Richard Lawler
nice
- James Tenniswood
Hahahaha :)
- Danielle Closs
Why Don’t Teens Tweet?
- Christopher Harley
@sandeepparikh Guild Season 3 trailer: http://videoguide.msn.com/play...
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watching......
- harold sanchez balaguera
Elusive supergroup Them Crooked Vultures to support Arctic Monkeys - Times Online - http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
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"Arctic Monkeys fans could be treated to a show by the elusive supergroup Them Crooked Vultures tonight. The newly-formed band – made up of Queens of the Stone Age singer and guitarist Josh Homme, Led Zeppelin bassist and keyboardist John Paul Jones and Foo Fighters drummer Dave Grohl – are believed to be booked to make a surprise appearance as the Arctic Monkey’s support act in south London tonight. The band has kept rock enthusiasts guessing since 2005 when Grohl first told an interviewer he was planning the collaboration. "The next project that I’m trying to initiate involves me on drums, Josh Homme on guitar, and John Paul Jones playing bass," he told Mojo magazine."
- RAPatton
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The Kopp-Etchells Effect - http://www.michaelyon-online.com/the-kop...
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"Basically it is a result of static electricity created by friction as materials of dissimilar material strike against each other. In this case titanium/nickel blades moving through the air and dust. It occurs on the ground as well, but you don't usually see it as much unless the aircraft is landing or taking off. The most common time is when fuel is being pumped. When large tankers are being fueled they must be grounded to prevent static electricity from discharging and creating explosions."
- Jeffrey Marsh
from Bookmarklet
I feel like I'm watching Fringe or something. Tres cool.
- Derrick
BBC NEWS | Health | Marriage 'cancer survival impact' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
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"Married people are more likely to survive cancer, whereas those going through a break-up have the worst chance of beating it, a study shows. US researchers from Indiana University analysed data on 3.8m people diagnosed with cancer between 1973 and 2004. They found people who were married had a 63% chance of surviving five years, compared to 45% of people who were separated, the journal Cancer reported. The team said the stress of break-up probably affected survival rates."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"CANCER SURVIVAL Married - 63% survival after five years and 58% at 10-year mark Never-married - 57% and 52% Divorced - 52% and 46% Widowed - 47% and 41% Separated - 45% and 37%"
- RAPatton
Good to see statistical evidence of the power the mindset and the emotional impact on health; something obvious to many but nice to have the numbers to point to.
- Michael W. May
Downfall — FriendFeed - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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*snicker*
- Michael W. May
"All of you who listen to the FFundercats show leave the room now". is my favourite line!
- Martin Bryant
25 Things? I got 2 likes!
- Michael W. May
hahahahaha! Killer stuff :D love it!
- vijay
one more time for giggles-worth
- i ♥ derrick #bellymeme
Chlorella: the superfood that helps fight disease - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health...
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"You wouldn't exactly call chlorella an overnight success. The health benefits of the green algae that grows in freshwater ponds in the Far East have so far been limited to those in the know, and its progress to British medicine cabinets has been slow. Since it became available in tablet form in the UK three years ago, it has achieved an almost cultish appreciation as a superfood, but now scientific research could catapult it into the mainstream. New research from Japan suggests that this green algae could be effective in fighting major lifestyle diseases. It has been shown to reduce body-fat percentage and blood-glucose levels and help those suffering from Type 2 diabetes, obesity or heart disease. Its benefits include boosting energy, aiding digestion and fighting depression."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
"What excited the scientists, including the notable Carnegie Institute in Washington DC, was that this green algae proved to be almost a dream food. It is packed with protein – twice as much as spinach – and about 38 times the quantity of soybeans, and 55 times that of rice. It also contains nine essential amino acids, as well as vitamins and minerals. These are the latest in a long...
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- RAPatton
"As it is a natural food, chlorella is safe for most people to take; but one exception seems to be those who are prescribed warfarin. This is because chlorella contains vitamin K1, which is important in helping blood clotting – the very opposite of warfarin, which acts as an anticoagulant. But it's not just the alternative medicine fraternity who are fans. Prof Randall Merchant,...
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- RAPatton
BBC AMERICA'S BEST WEEK EVER - 3.3 MILLION TUNE IN TO TORCHWOOD - http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news...
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Fiery images as killer volcano that claimed 36,000 lives stirs once more - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news...
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An amateur photographer has captured new images of the re-awakening of the world's most famous volcano. In a breathtaking series Marco Fulle, who specialises in shots of comets, has photographed the Anak Krakatoa against a backdrop of constellations such as the Big Dipper. These stunning pictures show the latest activity during the rebirth of the infamous volcano which holds a long-standing record for causing the highest number of human deaths ever - a staggering 36,000 in 1883.
- Emma
from Bookmarklet
"Highest number of human deaths ever": That must be volcano-related deaths, because the 2004 tsunami killed 6 times as many people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- rowlikeagirl
But what was the population of the earth back in 1883? I'm willing to bet that the percentages would probably be pretty similar....
- Iain Baker
paraphrasing - don't count for how many people the bell tolls; it tolls for you.
- Michael Bravo
New Series, New TARDIS, New Sonic? | Blogtor Who - http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009...
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Hip-Hop in da House, Dario Gomez, Stephen Mack and 17 other people liked this
Looks like it's time to upgrade the sonic screwdriver.
- Steven Perez
Thanks for turning me on to this blog Steve!
- Bwana ☠
Aww, that sonic looks a little janky. Oh well, have to get a new one.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
I'm still going to go Laser.
- Joe Pierce
She really is quite a pretty young woman, isn't she?
- Soup
I still miss Rose :P
- Bwana ☠
She was my first
- Bwana ☠
...assistant that I watched on Dr Who
- Bwana ☠
Little bit. But then again, so is he. :)
- Steven Perez
from IM
We knew there was a sonic screwdriver upgrade coming someday since that girl in the library episode.
- Geoff Schultz
@Bwana, ROSE MUST DIE! *froths incoherently at the mouth*
- Soup
Hahaha Soup! Why the Rose Tyler hate?
- Geoff Schultz
*grabs soapbox* Why? WHY?! Because she's a whinging little bitch for one! She's utterly self involved! She's got tramp blonde hair and let me tell you, if you're going to go for tramp blonde hair you'd better effin' dye those brows as well, particularly when you can SEE THEM FROM THE MOON! Also for all the reasons implied in comic: http://mimi-na.deviantart.com/art... *froths at the mouth again* HAAAAAAATE
- Soup
<3 Rose :D
- Bwana ☠
Yeah, I've got a soft spot for Rose, too. There really hasn't been a recent companion that I didn't like.
- Steven Perez
from IM
You can have her then Bwana. I shall mail her to you immediately. Look for an air hole-free box, postmarked Canada.
- Soup
Soup i dislike her, but geez.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
I liked Rose... until the next companion. I think they did alright with her until they had the Doctor fall for her... he could (and has done without reciprocating) so much better.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I fear I'm way past dislike when it comes to Rose, Amber. ;)
- Soup
I really didn't care for her all that much. This new one is seriously easy on the eyes, lets face it though it wont mean a thing if she lacks personality.
- Geoff Schultz
Have you ever seen the new actress in anything, Geoff? I haven't (I haven't seen the guy either) so I have no idea of their range. As upset as I am about the loss of Tennant (who I adore) I am intrigued to see how these two will work out.
- Soup
Soup: she was one of the priestesses in THE FIRES OF POMPEII.
- Steven Perez
true i havent watched who in a long long time, but didnt the tardis used to be red?
- chaz2b
I don't remember the Tardis every being anything but blue. Admittedly I've only watched the Tom Baker episodes and all the new ones though.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Well, yes, it's always been blue, but that's not police-box blue. According to a few snippets here and there it's "had a makeover".
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Then again, the TARDIS has never looked exactly like a police box, has it?
- Steven Perez
from IM
Ooooh, thanks Steven. That's one of my favourite episodes but I didn't recognize her.
- Soup
Steven - well, not from the INSIDE, no. But the outside WAS originally a police call box. I think the current look resembles a police box from the 60's - they had a few different styles over the years.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Actually, this has been made mention frequently by Whovians, most recently even getting a nod in the episode BLINK.
- Steven Perez
from IM
What got a nod?
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
The fact that the TARDIS has notable differences in appearance from an actual police box. The scene where Billy Shipton is telling Sally Sparrow about the disappearances at West Drumlands (sp?) and he shows her the TARDIS.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Ah, gotcha. A little peek outside the fourth wall, methinks, lol
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
redshirt.
- Kevin Fox
I wasn't going to say it Kevin.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
The First Artificial Nerve Cell That Uses Real Neurotransmitters | Popular Science - http://www.popsci.com/scitech...
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"While Dean Kamen spends his time creating bionic replacement arms, a team of Swedish scientists have begun developing a robotic prosthesis for a far more complex organ: the brain. Writing in this week's Nature Materials, the team announced that they had created the first device that communicates with nerves in their own language of neurotransmitter chemicals, rather than electrical impulses. Previous neuroprothesis worked through electric signals that triggered already existing nerves to release neurotransmitters like dopamine. However, the electric signals didn't discriminate between different types of nerve cells, which greatly reduced the fidelity and usefulness of the devices. This new device utilizes the same neurotransmitters that natural nerves use. That allows the robotic nerve to target specific neural pathways, without the random side effects of electronic neural stimulation. The technology is still in its infancy, but contains the potential for a radical shift in brain/electronics interfaces."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
Creating Order from Chaos with Evernote - BusinessWeek - http://www.businessweek.com/technol...
Jeroen De Miranda, Sue Kim, Davide D'Incau and 5 other people liked this
Love this application.
- Tehane Wurdeman
Evernote is getting more and more positive buzz. Well deserved...
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
Evernote... ahh if only drag and drop on tags would work. (...and that web-clipping thing retrieved my tags too) : P ...
- Bicentennial (Franc)
LANjackal to LANjackal's feed, The Facebook Experience, Twitter, TheNextWeb Forum, All Things Google
Michael Jackson-related traffic doubled Twitter's update frequency, tripled Facebook's | Technology | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technol...
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"As the news of Michael Jackson's fate unfolded, sites around the Web felt the strain of spiking interest. On Twitter, the volume of Jackson-related messages – up to 5,000 per minute at peak – put such a demand on the site that it slowed considerably."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Says a lot about who has really embraced the services. Or perhaps, if that is already known, it says a lot about who embraced Michael Jackson. But probably the former.
- Zach Landes
RT @dangainor: Remember how upset the media got over the funny Giuliani photos? This is the face of Al Franken. http://twitpic.com/8vocr
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How To Display Your Last Tweet Using Javascript And The Twitter API - http://www.webdesigndev.com/program...
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Mike Arrington is leading the mob. Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here and tell us whether he is wrong or right. Oh, and welcome to the mob:
Mitchell Tsai, Tyson Key, andy brudtkuhl and 132 other people liked this
He'll be back...he's just going to milk this for all it's worth first.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Do not feed the trolls.
- monkeystick
I think he is looking for page views and a way to get the mob to come to his real time event on July 10th. Brilliantly played Mr. Arrington!
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it will bring some more people to FF who haven't been on it which is a good thing.
- Mike Bracco
"FriendFeed today is like Syphilis in 1495." -Arrington. I'd say that's taking this a bit too far.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I understand objectively there's strengths and weaknesses, but I also find that this discussion is teetering of the verge of irrelevance. Can you make it clear to me (in seriousness) the value from this friendfeed versus anti friendfeed arguement? Are we looking forward to the next tool? Or to making improvements to friendfeed?
- Malcolm Bastien
Mike: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Wow. Maybe I should go burn the TC shirt that LG and I liberated from TC headquarters a few months back in protest. Reminds me of his other recent rant about Facebook (http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...). Mike definitely doesn't hold back in how he expresses his opinion through his blog posts. Regardless of whether he's...
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- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Do you think it was specifically an anti-Friendfeed rant, Robert? Some of the comments that poured in after the "Laporte Incident" were pretty horrible. If I was on the receiving end of that, I'd think I'd be feeling like a mob was after my head. Also, don't you think that his point about people feeling more comfortable to "talk hate" using their own/real names is a good one?
- Andrew Terry
Wow that's kinda harsh, I wonder what brought that on...
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
I don't understand why Mike is wasting time and effort on those death threat comments from the idiots that posted them. Why is he giving them any real credit? They should be dismissed. They should be ignored. They're the grown up versions of youtube commenters.
- Lise
The thread with Aaron last week demonstrates that the FF community is reasonable and self-correcting. FF also provides fine grained controls so that you DON'T see what you don't want. Mobs are simply human nature. Dissapointingly so. Mike may as well call for the abolition of Town Halls, Community Clubs and the like.
- Roberto Bonini
As long as Mob leaders like Laporte keep it together no trolls get hurt.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Arrington should go crawl back into his cave
- Daniel Lazarides
I have a feeling Arrington is developing a relationship with FF analogous to Dvorak's with Apple. ie. piss off the faithful (get traffic), blog about the nasty community members attacking you (more traffic), eventually reverse yourself and please the community (more traffic again). Lather-rinse-repeat.
- Michael R. Bernstein
If Mike doesn't like mobs he should open a private room here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
that was some badly strained argumentation by Arrington - FAIL
- William Harryman
I feel the same way about this argument that I do about people who complain about television. Stop whining. If you don't like what's on, change the channel or turn the TV off. FF, like any online community, is based on elective participation. If you don't like what's happening, move on to something else. Also, people take what's written in these forums WAY too seriously. If you can't take the occasional insult, get off the web and go find something else to do with your time.
- Kevin Pedraja
And last i checked, Leo is NOT a mob leader. Or a Troll leader.
- Roberto Bonini
Andrew: mobs have always formed online. FriendFeed does allow them to form faster but Arrington should go read Digg and YouTube comments for a while. The stuff I have seen here is pretty easy going compared to those.
- Robert Scoble
Go to a forum with lots of members and ask a noobish question and watch the mob flame you into the middle of next week.
- Mark
Michael: bing! Arrington is the best at whiping up crowds. Anyone remember when he called France lazy?
- Robert Scoble
"We're going back to reruns. F**k you guys I'm throwing you all off. Mike Arrington is the most trollish person ever." - Leo Laporte
- Danny Minick
Andrew: I think everyone here generally agrees with Mike that those types of comments are out of line. Can't blame Mike for feeling touchy about them.
- Roberto Bonini
Danny that's the irony in all this. Arrington is the King of The Trolls! Leo called him the biggest troll "in the world" a few times.
- Mark
I used to read techcrunch and even comment once in a while. Mike Arrington has been consistently losing credibility with me these past few months, and now has forfeited the last bit. I was going to comment over there, but it really has ceased to be worth my time. I'm even sorry I clicked over to his article. Interesting that I wouldn't even have known for it if not for this post on...which service is this again, oh yes, ...friendfeed.
- Jim Hearts FF
It seems to me that Mike wants the attention or he wouldn't have post this. He just doesn't like it if it doesn't go his way. He sort of like the guy who finds a bees nest and pokes a stick in it. They finally calm down and they poke it again and are surprised by the results
- Kim Landwehr
Jim: welcome to MobFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm in my Godfather.
- Thomas Chai
He's got some points, and I give him credit for a heck-of-a 'creative' post, but this is fairly typical human behavior stuff. I think it's funny that the he says, "the system is breaking under it’s own weight. It is not sustainable." because he got flamed out by some people with the chutzpa (or stupidity) to do it from an account that identified them personally.
- Chris Duffy
Kim: Arrington is smarter than that. He knows there are a lot of people here and he is about to monetize the real time web with a conference.
- Robert Scoble
Whats this conference you are refering to Rob ? x
- Mark
Yep a online service that accounts for a small percentage of internet users will destroy everything Arrington holds dear. Syphilis?
- Andy Foster
Kim: this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London.
- Robert Scoble
[sigh] i guess Arrington just can't stop himself.
- MikeAmundsen
"I’m going to pick on" - words say it all
- Paul Rawlings
Anyone have a link to this real time conference he is doing?
- Mark
Speaking of realtime, why hasn't Arrington or O'Reilly grabbed the title "Realtime Web" for a series of conferences ala Web 2.0?--maybe you should first Robert!
- Michael Metz
I guess it's working
- Ken Morley
Mike: Arrington is taking advantage of the fact that WE can't stop ourselves.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, Robert.
- Ken Morley
Well, that explains a lot Robert
- Kim Landwehr
What was that link again? Lol!
- Ken Morley
is buddyfeed realtime?
- Tyler Gillies
from BuddyFeed
so he's not calling for technical solution to a (potential) behavior problem...he's just stirring the pot and setting the table for conference...No, we can't stop ourselves can we. Effective troll is effective
- Chris Duffy
Arrington is @replying you on twitter robby
- Mark
a) learn to use Block b) like twitter is sooo much better :/ c) waste of a read.. I thought Techcrunch did actual stories on stuff, not rants. Guess I was wrong.
- Tim Hoeck
here is the link http://www.techcrunch.com/real-ti...
- Johni Fisher
Well, the worst thing we as the FF community could do is prove him right by "attacking" back and name-calling for what he's said. Fanning the flames justifies his opinion. Hey, if it makes people wonder what going on with this "FriendFeed" thing and they come check it and realize it's not at all like what he was saying...all the better. So, let him have his opinion and spotlight.
- CAJ, somewhere else
@Robert: IMO, Arrington is doing the same thing he always does: setting himself up for some abuse from others. it's so sad to watch. in this case, he'll likely get what we is asking for, too. *again*
- MikeAmundsen
Probably should have said fein surprise
- Kim Landwehr
thx Johni,
- Mark
IMO, He's wrong. And, as mentioned, tossing gasoline on the fire by pretending to be outraged by such supposed mobs while deliberately inciting them.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
@arrington just wrote that I should propose tools to slow down the mob. Yes, we have those in Iran and China. I would rather have the mob.
- Robert Scoble
I think Arrington just wants to destroy a medium that he can't control.
- Nathan Cooprider
I really thing that this was more about online mobs with FriendFeed as an example rather than specifically about FriendFeed. Yes he uses FriendFeed as the example, but I don't think the points he makes are related solely to FriendFeed. You could easily replace FriendFeed with Digg or Huffingtonpost. Some place where people gather in mass and you can easily see a mob mentality grow.
- Michael Koby
Robert!!!!!!! :)
- Myrna
Of course he is right. When the wrong people come together than everything can happen. Same is true if good people. Even a revolution (specially Wednesday). People on FF and similar services have lots of power. Can be used to change the world!
- bishoph
seeing the link to that conference that he's hosting next week and seeing this post give me a new level of respect for his craftiness, although he couldn't have done it w/o you Robert.
- Chris Duffy
Yes Chris, he is a sly old dog isn't he? Tickets might be going too slow or something
- Mark
I think so.
- Chris Duffy
The association with Syphilis is kind of weird. I think any public figure gets hate mail, electronically or otherwise.
- Ace
@Michael Koby, I'd agree with you (to a certain extent), if the article wasn't...specifically about FriendFeed. And about an event that occurred to Arrington personally, no less. I'd have a lot more respect for his argument if he'd spend the time to find more examples. This just looks like someone who's had a flamewar turn on him that's fighting back with his own bullhorn.
- Ken Kennedy
Bishoph: or a mob can break glass and burn buildings and hurt people. What do you want to use your mob for?
- Robert Scoble
He probably just read a book on syphilis. When I read a book on something I like to make links to the topic to make me appear well-read and smart.
- Mark
He (as usual) has some valid points. FF is a great conversation tool but when it becomes a chat room, it's not up to the task. Just as in public, I tend to avoid these mobs here on FF. 58 comments on this right now is fine but 1000 is useless. I know you don't agree, but IRC is much more useful for that.
- John Rubier
It would help if Mike actually understood how he could shape his FriendFeed experience. There are such things as blocking and hiding. It also seems like those who can dish it out but not take it run screaming from FriendFeed - which invites *real* interaction and conversation. Yeah, it's sometimes unruly, but that's reality folks! If you want the *dated* version of arm's length, yell...
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- AJ Kohn
I can't make it to Arrington's event on July 10th (I live in Boston..and the event is in SF), but I hope it gets a lot of coverage online so that the rest of us can learn from what is shared :)
- Sam Houston
Look what services like Twitter and FF did for Iran. Just a medium to share and discuss (real time) information. Of course the used words in the blog are misleading and obviously rant (a troll post to start a discussion in real time :-).
- bishoph
(Robert Scoble) -- "this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London. " -- next time, put this at the beginning of your post, Robert. I'm NOT interested in being a part of this childish crap. If you have actually have a problem with the post, you shouldn't either. If this thread is to help TC drum up word-of-mouth about a conference, that's...
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- Ken Kennedy
Could argue that MobFeed was more useful because it had private rooms and things.
- Mark
@AJ: Arrington knows how to use FF. this thread is evidence of that. his willingness to pimp himself out - to invite this kind of negative talk - just to promote his own interests is what is so disappointing.
- MikeAmundsen
Lazily, i'll c&p my post from TC..Yeah, this is Arrington taking a personal incident and trying REALLY hard to universalize it. And the syphilis analogy only makes this look needier and less applicable. FriendFeed aggregates conversations and connects sub-streams of the cloud more efficiently than any other current service. Once you try it, you like it. I works. It's efficient. The...
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- Thom Kennon
@Mike: Perhaps he understands that he can drum up talk, but I don't think he's been here enough to actually understand it's true power. So, yes, Arrington essentially is a FriendFeed spammer or Social Media Lout.
- AJ Kohn
Ken: it isn't my strategy and I am not profiting from it.
- Robert Scoble
"Mobs" have collapsed police states, authoritarian regimes, and given rise to countries like are's that even allow us to have this conversation today. To suppress them is like revoking the right to assemble and petition, removing the peoples voice, and is not a sign of a free and open society. Turn on the news and remember 99% of the world haven't a clue who Mike Arrington is.
- Shaun Hess
@Robert: do you think Arrington is using you to promote is own agenda?
- MikeAmundsen
Mr. Arrington is just too young. This online behavior will not subside soon. AOL Chatrooms, Usenet discussions, Compuserve bulletin boards, listserv flame wars.... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 15 years of Law and Order and broadcasting reruns on other Channels. For a Technology News guy it's pretty pathetic. What's the news? Where is the new idea?
- Birgit Pauli-Haack
Mike: he is using our mob behaviors, yes. Do I feel used? No more so than when Aaron and Steven did the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: yep.
- MikeAmundsen
I think there are many factors working here: 1)rapidly changing community norms 2) expansion of these services from small homogeneous groups who create them 3)poor communications skills 4)poor social skills 5) a lack of inhibition due to the virtual environment.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
If there was ever any doubt that Arrington seeds the controversies that surround him, let this post put that doubt to rest. His goal is to incite passions because he knows that anger drives engagement more than agreement does. He's merely the Ann Coulter of the nerd world -- nothing more, nothing less.
- Sprague D
Mike knows that we cannot help ourselves, we simply must talk about his post and send him lots of hits and maybe sell a ticket or two for him.
- Mark
@Sprague: "He's merely the Anne Coulter of the nerd world..." LOL +1
- MikeAmundsen
Well put Francine!
- Bluejeanslady
from twhirl
Most of what Arrington does stings of a boy trying to look like a big boy in an adult world. Maybe when he grows up he'll be better. I think the Blue's Traveler song Hook was about him.
- Matthew DeVries
I'll probably get beat up over this but this is a huge case of the Tech Crunch pot calling the Friendfeed kettle black. I've notice that Arrington and the normal Tech Crunch crowd are really hard on people. More than once someone will ask a question that most people know the answer too and its like blood in the water. Posters come out and blast them and take delight in it. I thought that TechCrunch was trying to be a community?
- Matt Martin
Is he the Anne Coulter of tech or the Perez Hilton of tech? I'd say the later, because like Perez, he doesn't make a dime unless someone else gets hurt, he has a hissy when the camera looks back at him, he over-reacts to perceived "danger" against him.
- Matthew DeVries
@Robert: your response is far too similar to what you used AGAINST Tim O'Reilly and other members of the SUL, IMO. If you know/suspect that Arrington is using this to promote a conference that you're going to attend; a conference focused on a technology realm that you make your living off of...then of course this helps you, just like being on the SUL helps Tim O'Reilly, even if he's "not changing what he says based on it". You didn't find that answer from Tim satifying, and I feel the same way about yours.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: Didn't you say above that, "this is about his conference. and *I will be part of it from London*" but later that "this isn't by strategy or for profit" I feel kinda duped, man. I think everyone else does/knows too, but like lemmings we'll continue to play. This is my take: http://twitter.com/Spincha...
- Chris Duffy
It is difficult to take Michael Arrington seriously as a tech analyst -- he's inflated his self-created brouhaha into a mentally disorganized blast at Friendfeed. A very emotional guy. Friendfeed is a self-organizing platform. One shouldn't complain about getting mired down in nasty exchanges that are easily avoided with unsubscriptions and blocks. Arrington's mess was self-inflicted.
- Sean McBride
Chris: I am an unpaid speaker at the TechCrunch Real Time event.
- Robert Scoble
How are Mike's passive aggressive "op-ed" blogs on TechCrunch also not a form of e-mobs? In other news: welcome to the mob *grin*
- Rene Wirtz
Tim O'Reilly doesn't pay to be on the SUL, Robert.
- Ken Kennedy
::glances and moves along::
- Geoff Schultz
And Arrington seems to read a book, declare himself an expert, and then fire off a blog post about how his "enemy" du jour is like the thing in that book. Next week we're going to hear about how Friendfeed is like the cancer killing his mentor that he visits on Tuesdays.
- Matthew DeVries
Ken: WTF?
- Robert Scoble
As a matter of fact, I think Twitter is much more suited to mob creation than FriendFeed.
- Miguel Caetano
I work on my mob behavior. I engage, but try to be civil, helpful, or educational:-) this is a learned behavior after I got my butt handed to me a few times.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Yes Matthew, alot of people (myself included) read a book on something and feel we must reference it to make us appear smart. I did the same thing with a book on the black death. its all nonsense of course
- Mark
@Sean: from my POV, not only was Arrington's mess self-inflicted, it was a purposeful act on his part. as is this one.
- MikeAmundsen
Miguel: yeah, over on Twitter I saw hundreds of people saying Jeff Goldbloom was dead when he wasn't.
- Robert Scoble
arrington: @Scobleizer perhaps someday when you are sitting in your house with a police car parked out front to protect you you'll think differently.
- Mark
C'mon Robert...do you seriously not grok the similarities between this argument and your complaint about O'Reilly/SUL? This is free publicity for a conference that you're speaking at that will help make your name more notable in your area of expertise.
- Ken Kennedy
Mark: perhaps I will.
- Robert Scoble
Must have been a serious thread if the police give you personal protection
- Mark
I need to read up a little more on the other parties involved. The only person I follow of this group with any real regularity is Leo LaPorte. However, from a listeners point of view, Leo grossly over-reacted to a legitimate question ( and I love Leo's work ). Would Larry King shut down the show just because he was asked something he was apparently sensitive about? ( I realize this...
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- Sean E Brown
Remember a couple weeks back when Twitter convinced the world the California supreme court reversed their non-reversal of Prop 8?
- Matthew DeVries
No robert, what I pasted was Arringtons reply to you on twitter
- Mark
Mark: I know.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, please don't pay attention to M.A. He does not deserve it
- Luca Conti
Robert: It's all good, man. Regardless if paid or not, you knew up front what this was about and helped get the ball rolling. I don't fault you for it, but in an ironic sort of way, the lack of up front knowledge, that came out later about this being for the conf, can produce the exact kind of behavior Arrington is decrying and citing the "need" for new tools to address. It's all claptrap, but digress. I'm going outside.
- Chris Duffy
Arrington is just ticked off at the response he was getting after he attacked Leo .. yeah I really think he attacked him personally. Attacking a man's credibility and integrity is a personal attack in my opinion. Then he removed the techcrunch feed from friendfeed ..so what let him .. I agree with the other commenters..He is an attention whore plain and simple then compares Friendfeed...
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- John Blanton
from twhirl
I really think Arrington has a skewed view of FriendFeed. Most of the venom against him on FriendFeed has happened during Gillmor Gang podcasts, which were most recently running on Leo Laporte's TWiT network. For whatever reason, a large percentage of Leo's TWiT fan base hates Arrington. Not just disagree. Hate. They've also said pretty awful things about Steve Gillmor, Dave Winer, etc....
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- Mike Doeff
Notice how Mike is totally absent on this thread. He should be here defending his article, defending his analogy to syphilis and letting us all know how dumb we are for not seeing things is way. Mike obiously sees no point to having this discussion. I count 2 tweets from him on this subject.
- Roberto Bonini
@Mike Doeff If he did see the civility of FriendFeed he wouldn't have compared it to syphilis.
- John Blanton
Please note, Robert...I don't think you're being all devious or anything. I'm just pointing this out to give you another angle on the O'Reilly thing. I actually think Tim probably thought "WTF" as well. And while I DO think that both of you are being a teeny bit naive thinking that the attention doesn't affect what you say or do...that's the case with pretty much all attention. I don't...
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- Ken Kennedy
Scoble: I see what you did here. :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'd put a witty comment here, but Arrington isn't worth the requisite brain power that would consume.
- Steven Perez
Arrington is a douch.
- Peter Kruit
Can Mike read this thread without a FF account?
- Mark
Ken: Arrington is on the Suggested User List and he did not disclose that. Jason Calacanis says that is worth $250,000. I guarantee you that speaking at a conference won't get you $250,000 worth of followers.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody remember Usenet newsgroups? They still exist, and lots o' tech people still use them (i still answer questions there). There have been some remarkable flame wars there, and they are all threaded. I don't see how different that is from FF except FF has a prettier interface.
- RobinDotNet
Mark: yes
- Robert Scoble
Peter: so are you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thank you ;) Don't get me wrong. We also need people like that. They make for interesting discussions.
- Peter Kruit
Hah! Arrington removed my comment about him not disclosing that he is on Twitter's Suggested User list.
- Robert Scoble
Lets give 1 sec to the Arrington point at his last tweets ,cant we have some kind of control on the stream ?cant FF add better moderation tools ?
- Johni Fisher
Robert: You're stirring the pot yourself and why? Because Arrington comapred FF to Syphilis? I have nothing against a discussion about the issue at hand but you're lead-in to this was a bit on the point of the article.. It's just a session of Arrignton bashing, replace the keyboards with pitchforks and you're all on your was the TC headquarters to string up the guy.
- Sean E Brown
"on your way" rather
- Sean E Brown
And again I am comment on a Scoble thread, but to misquote Cassius " The fault, dear Friends, is not in Scoble or Arrington But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
- Kim Landwehr
oh I forgot IMHO
- Sean E Brown
Sean: you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: the thing is I have seen mob suppression and I don't like it one bit.
- Robert Scoble
And I have had my car damaged and life threatened by a mob after the 49ers won the Super Bowl one year.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, the weekend dust-up. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
@Robert: gotcha. I think I understand where you're coming from. I disagree, but it's no big deal.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: but who is suppressing it? An article isn't going to to stop mobs, not all mobs are good mobs (lol). I suppose we all have our quirks that get us up in arms, I am in no way innocent of that.
- Sean E Brown
I declare the Dead Horse to be Beaten sufficiently.
- Sean E Brown
@Johni Fisher: FriendFeed is a social network, not a community or a forum with administrators and the like. But I reckon that nested conversations could be useful ;-)
- Miguel Caetano
This inspired me to listen to the Mob Rules album by Black Sabbath :D
- Per
It's interesting to me that the very thing Arrington talks about happens here. Where did good taste and treating other people with respect get off the track? I mean seriously...have you looked at how many people are on this thread making nasty comments about Arrington? He isn't the only one that gets that treatment, we all do if we state our opinions publicly. Now, I'm not against...
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- Sheryl
Sheryl: yes, this is bloodsport. Same thing happens at baseball stadiums every day.
- Robert Scoble
If your able to get syphallus from FriendFeed then I'm clearly using it wrong
- Davis Freeberg
Sheryl: The nasty talk against Arrington is earned. Arrington frequently slams FriendFeed (which get under Robert Scoble's skin and compels him to do these sorts of posts, but that's another topic) and then cries whenever (a) no one pays him any attention or (b) people talk nasty about him.
- Steven Perez
Robert: I can't take things that seriously. Life is to be lived not destroyed. Why don't we talk about the value of the mob? Why don't we talk about how amazing social networks can be?
- Sheryl
Steven: I disagree with you :) That Arrington has an opinion and states it no more gives you or I a right to tear his person apart than my simply waking up every day. Argue against his opinion but name calling has no benefits.
- Sheryl
Sheryl: You're entitled to your viewpoint, but I've been here long enough to see how Arrington operates. And nothing I've seen from him lately has changed that opinion. He deserves every bit of scorn he gets, because he delights in these sort of poop fights.
- Steven Perez
Here are some features that might slow down mob-like participation: 1) move the comment link to after the last comment, rather than right under the item, to encourage reading the previous comments before commenting. 2) once a threshold has been reached, remove the comment link entirely, so you have to go to the item page (which displays all comments) before commenting, to discourage formation of instant pile-ons from within the live stream.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Steven: You don't have to change your opinion of Arrington. At no time have I suggested you aren't entitled to your opinion. But what benefit for you is there in calling him names? We all have opinions others disagree with. You didn't call me names and yet for all you know I'm a horrible person (I'm not) I think the world is better for opinions and different thoughts. It stretches us to...
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- Sheryl
Mike comparing FF to syphilis is pure, shameless analogy abuse. But say what you will about Mike, his arguments are interesting, and I do read them. And if anyone on this thread wants to organize a torch and pitchfork mob against him, let me be the first to say I've got a billion more interesting and important things to occupy my time.
- James Hernandez
Sheryl: I said it Zee's thread and I'll say it here - it's another Arrington poop fight. He throws enough of it on the wall to see what sticks, gets Robert Scoble riled up, and a mess of blog posts and forum fights ensue. SOP for Arrington. Meanwhile, he reaps the benefits of notoriety and links back to his site, all without ever setting foot in here, because we're all going over there to see what he wrote.
- Steven Perez
Neither of these are particularly innovative, BTW. I can suggest reading Derek Powazek's excellent book 'Design for Community':http://www.amazon.com/exec...
- Michael R. Bernstein
I know Arrington sometimes smears himself with blood and tosses himself into the feeding frenzy. I have no problem attacking his opinions when I disagree. Or attacking his ego when it's out there. I do find myself more and more put off by people who make every attack personal. It goes to excess. And I hate the specious argument that "I've seen him blah blah blah" and he deserves it....
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- Ken Camp
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it go something like this: 1. Arrington dislikes Scoble. 2. Scoble likes FriendFeed. 3. Therefore, Arrington dislikes FriendFeed.
- Stephen Mack
Steven: I would only ask this, who is inciting who if Arrington squawks and people fluff their feathers? I don't know Mike Arrington, I know who he is and I have read enough to know he frequently says things that are inflammatory, but I don't call him names publicly. Where is the value in that? Can someone show me why that is useful because if you can, I may change my tune, though it's highly unlikely! ;-)
- Sheryl
Stephen: I don't think Arrington dislikes me.
- Robert Scoble
it's all entertainment in the end :D
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Ken: ;-) Dork! LOL (I can call Ken names cause he's my SO) hehe
- Sheryl
And at the risk of encouraging flames in my direction, I pretty much agree with Arrington's post. I agree with him about 10-15% of the time.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl: I may be a dork, but I'm your dork. And I only engage in this petty crap to try to find some intelligence among the noise. Like always, there's some here. Filtering the noise within a thread isn't easy. I know Robert loves FF filtering, but this is an example of when NOTHING but the filtering can find any value.
- Ken Camp
Ken: even filtering can't help some threads! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: shall I bop him on the head? hehe
- Sheryl
Robert: Agreed. There really needs to be a way to tag trash threads to be expunged. Terrible that this drivel will exist forever.
- Ken Camp
Ken: only if you search for it will it matter for long.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: True but wasting arguably infinite disk space to store it forever is still waste. I don't like waste in general.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl -- what kind of response do you think Arrington anticipated when he compared Friendfeed to syphillis -- *at length* (in case we missed the point)? Describing him as a jackass strikes me as a measured and rational response. But he is best ignored, to be sure.
- Sean McBride
Sheryl: there's a small bit of problem with your logic. By your logic, everything that Ann Coulter (thanks, Sprague D) says is not deserving of scorn, either.
- Steven Perez
Steven I don't say it's wrong to be scornful. I do still think it's wrong to call names. It feels wrong to me to validate that in any way. Defending position is a whole other thing. To enter the fray and retaliate has no good consequence.
- Sheryl
Steven: Scorn for stupid ideas is different than personal attacks. Although comparing Arrington to Coulter is an interesting and entertaining thought. ;-)
- Ken Camp
Sean: I don't think it matters what Arrington's goal was. In the end, even if Arrington calls FF names, to do so in return accomplishes what?
- Sheryl
Sean: If we take the passion and emotion out of the argument, Arrington's comparison to how syphillis evolved to survive, to the FF mob power, I think there's some good analogy inside there. Sure it's ugly, but I wouldn't say it's inaccurate. How many mobs have we seen called into play in the past few weeks over some perceived wrong. Yesterday it was someone's AT&T bill and the open...
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- Ken Camp
On that note, I am off for a break, out to run errands, and finished with this particular thread. Have a good afternoon all.
- Ken Camp
Sheryl -- sometimes it is healthy to call out a jackass as a jackass, and then move on to more productive topics. It puts a period on the nonsense. In general I agree with you: the more civil the conversation, the better.
- Sean McBride
This whole thing reminds me of the "How to tell someone they sounded racist video" http://www.youtube.com/watch... I think we can all learn something from that video. Keep to the subject, instead of calling names and generalizing from what a person did. If you want a good discussion on this subject don't call people names. Instead of wasting time in here where M.A says he...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
Because, at the end of the day, Arrington is against mob mentality ... unless he can direct the mob's direction.
- Steven Perez
The real problem with herd mentality is that once understood, it can be effectively deployed to link bait, generate PR in the form of online discussions, and to promote social media sites and/or events, without people even being aware of it.
- Mark Davidson
I'm particularly baffled - better yet - amused by how the media gurus quickly turn into poor, weeping poopflinging angry things once they find themselves prodded by the pointy end of a mass of people (which they then call "a mob" elegantly skipping the "lynch" part). Groupthink - yes, sometimes - even herd mentality - but this has all to do with how people are, and nothing with technology, so I really don't get the hate on FF (Syphilis? gimme a f-in' break!).
- dario
also: the guy is obviously oblivious of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and has no clue about what goes on in "the mainstream", say on Reddit, /. or that cesspool that are youtube comments. FF is pretty much a small, happy place with tea, pastries and fancy embroidered cushions compared to those.
- dario
Dude, TC deleted my (constructively thoughtful albeit critical) comment in the article thread --- and it keeps eating my attempts to repost. wtf?!...
- Thom Kennon
Thom: Arrington did the same thing to me. Welcome to the mob.
- Robert Scoble
Ken Camp - I agree completely with your post - this whole thread went from a discussion on Mobfeed and into something similar to a 1990 BBS rant
- Kathleen Forden
This is really getting to be ridiculous. Arrington admits that people can be nasty at Twitter and other places, but says FriendFeed is worse, basically because all comments can be seen in one place. Blame FF? Why don't we start with blaming TechCrunch, because a lot of people started out disliking him due to what he writes there. I suspect that if Arrington didn't delete so much of what was posted there, we'd see a REAL mob.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Dario: If Arrington's blog post heightened your emotional state, then his mission was accomplished. If you clicked the link to Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If you commented on Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If Robert Scoble started a thread on FriendFeed about Arrington's blog post, then his mission was accomplished. If we are still...
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- Mark Davidson
Mark: that was my point, actually (sorry it didn't come through too well) - basically if you go prodding a hive with a stick sometimes you get stung - it doesn't reflect too well on you if you get all uppity afterwards. So, I agree with you 100% on the manipulative part.
- dario
The same thing happens on Digg, and it's been around for years. It's not a problem with the service(s), it's a cultural problem. We've all been desensitized to some level or another, some extremely.
- Blake
Dario: Don't feel bad. I got caught up in it too. It's human behavior. As human beings, we respond to stimuli. When executed properly, we just can't help ourselves. Our emotions get stirred, we take action in the form of a response, we become engaged because we've invested emotional energy, we talk amongst ourselves, etc. Politicians, public speakers, bloggers, television and radio...
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- Mark Davidson
What a bunch of echo chamber nonsense.
- Jason Nunnelley
I can't disagree with that Jason....... Except, it's only an echo chamber when it's good/self aggrandizing. When it's ugly and destructive like this, I think the more proper term is devouring our own young, but the sentiment is right on.
- Matthew DeVries
Skipping past the other discussion that's already happened on Arrington's post (I'll catch up in a minute), I just want to say that TechCrunch has officially joined my list of sites I won't visit anymore. Great job alienating a large group of readers, Mike.
- Hip-Hop in da House
Matthew, I just expanded my opinion on Mike's post (linked by Scoble). I think it's calculated drama. Either that or really, really silly. I'm giving everyone the benefit of doubt here and assigning more intelligence than the latter opinion would allow.
- Jason Nunnelley
Why would anyone take anything that Arrington writes seriously after his complete bullshit stories about Last.fm - which had real, economic consequences for the company, and which are still being repeated as if they were true by people around the web? He's perfectly happy to whip up the mob when it suits him, but when it bites him back he suddenly becomes Mr Socially Concerned.
- Ian Betteridge
How many times was Arrington's name mentioned in this post, thus reinforcing his brand through repetition? How many people reading his name were in an emotionally heightened state? Hmmm. lol.
- Mark Davidson
When someone comes into your house and poops on your coffee table, it's a bit difficult to look at it rationally and ask what the merits of such an act was.
- Steven Perez
"It was windy in here, so I needed to weigh the papers down"
- Matthew DeVries
He actually removed my comment. No kidding. I didn't wish him ill, suggest he should died or anything of that nature. I just made a coherent and short comment about his tactic with as bland a set of language as possible. Wimp.
- Jason Nunnelley
THIS is why i fucking hate FF. "Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here" WHERE? damn it, friend feed always makes a monkey out of me. where's arrington's rant? i dunno. i'll seach for arrington's account and see if i can find it. i'll prolly be back in five minutes to say "oh, i'm so stupid... i found it at [INSERT FUCKING URL HERE]" thanks for exposing my FF ineptitude, Scoble.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: it's the first comment on this thread. It's a link. Then come back here to read the 200 comments.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, what are you talking about? It's right there.
- Matthew DeVries
Mark: I've used this device hundreds of times. Most people figure it out pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
So he just wants to delete all counter comments? How very Supreme Leader of him....
- Matthew DeVries
He hasn't deleted mine yet
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Comment removal is standard practice at TechCrunch, and it really doesn't matter if the comments are polite. He'll leave a few counter-comments in (enough so it's not obvious he's blocking counter-opinions) and delete the rest. Perhaps his lack of control of the conversation is why he doesn't like FriendFeed much.
- Ian Betteridge
All I said was that he should thank Scoble for the link, but he shouldn't be surprised if these tactics result in trollish drama queens following his work only to bring a teen girl styled smack down to his next slumber party. It wasn't even that caustic, definitely not "mob" language.
- Jason Nunnelley
Matthew: he's probably deleting all comments he perceives as being from the "MobFeed." I think it's funny. Mike once told me he's an entertainer, and this is evidence of that.
- Robert Scoble
aha http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... got it ... second comment actually. i agree with jason calicanis ... you need a freaking masters degree to work friend feed. thanks, Robert, BTW .. the url gets shortened, so even though the title of the article is in that URL, one doesn't see it when scanning the comments.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: no, it's the first comment. The first line are people who clicked "like" on this item.
- Robert Scoble
The problem, though, is that Arrington is an "entertainer" with the power to seriously hurt companies and careers in the web industry. And he does it, too.
- Ian Betteridge
Mark - Ff's interface is about as simple as it gets.... *rollseyes*
- Matthew DeVries
So, he deletes my comment about participating in adult conversation and leaves the guy's comment that calls him a douche? Mature. I'm starting to withdraw my prior benefit of doubt.
- Jason Nunnelley
Ian: he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink. I've had Valleywag and Techcrunch aimed at me before and it never hurts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - In the same way that Andy Kaufman was an "entertainer"?
- Matthew DeVries
To be totally fair, i dont think it is that bad. We have had quite a few articles on Techcrunch and on on a whole they seem to be a nice bunch, very accomodating and understanding.
- Paul Rawlings
Although it is unpleasant to go through.
- Robert Scoble
I thought it was quite a funny read, I don't think I can take it seriously... it is almost as if someone spat in his face or something.
- Paul Kinlan
Robert, he can't hurt me - but think of Last.fm, whose reputation was hurt and which lost subscribers because of a completely false series of articles that Arrington posted. And he's never really acknowledged that he got it totally wrong, preferring to hint that "there's no smoke without fire". That's what I mean about serious damage. He has the power of mainstream media, without the vaguest notion of a conscience.
- Ian Betteridge
FF interface: simple? perhaps. Intuitive? not so much. The FF fail is strong in me. (and scoble was right, the url IS in the first comment) what looked to me like the first comment was just a list of "likes" that's a Digg concept, right?
- Mark Hartwell
Ian: if Last.fm has value it will cruise right through a wrongful attack. I'm not saying it's right, or pleasant.
- Robert Scoble
Mark, go away, you're just making things up now..... It's simple, intuitive, and elegant. You're just not very bright. The fact you can't suss it out is a reflection on you, not the site.
- Matthew DeVries
Yeah, Last.fm will survive - think of the man-hours it took dealing with the mess that Arrington created. A lot of time and effort went into cleaning up a mess that Arrington gleefully made. And again, no acknowledgement from him that he was in the wrong.
- Ian Betteridge
Matthew: stay nice. It's not that easy sometimes for newbies.
- Robert Scoble
Or English isn't your first language. If that is the case, then yes, it can confuse, I apologize.
- Matthew DeVries
Matt, your comment on Arrington's post is funny dude. I give it ten minutes :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I just read this entire post. I'm so sorry I wasted my time. Maybe we should ban the use of cell phones and IM just in case. Like FriendFeed, they also make it too easy to talk to people.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I'm not trying to show him up with it. Just a personal experiment for myself (my post on the TC thread)
- Matthew DeVries
This Last.fm thing, this is what drives my Perez Hilton comparison. He got to create a hurt, damage something, and while Last.fm will probably whether it, nothing bounces back to TC. In fact, it grew their market, and put more money in Arrington's pocket.
- Matthew DeVries
on such a beautiful sunday, how on earth could anybody be paying attention to arrington's opinion - he is a self serving dolt...
- mike "glemak" dunn
ok, i've read arrington's post. and most of this thread. the syphilis analogy was probably just something that mike has been wanting to paste and share since he read that book. the laporte / arrington "war" lasted all of 10 minutes. what that exchange DID expose was a lot of pent up anti-arrington hate. why do so many people think arrington is an asshole? simple, he IS an asshole. if i...
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- Mark Hartwell
ok Robert If you are going to remove mike's comment couldn't you at least remove my reply to him also? Now it stands out like a sore thumb of dumbness in a sea of irrelevance. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Well he was right about the Mob! I'd delete my FF account but what's the point? For delivery of content its great, but for hanging out, I don't have the skill or patience to go toe to toe with a Mob of spoiled intellectuals.
- ZuDfunck
Rasmus I haven't removed any replies on this thread!
- Robert Scoble
yay then he removed it himself. Mission accomplished :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
who cares.
- Stalyn☂
"...it [friendfeed] will be forced to evolve to something less dangerous or it’ll destroy itself." At the risk of inciting an insanely dangerous mob, what a freakin drama queen.
- Christopher A Carr
Glad to know you know me so well @Zudfunck, So I'm a "spoiled intellectual" from California... Not a 29 year old college dropout living in Randers, Denmark? Wow you know me so well almost better than I know myself. Thanks for the generalization, it totally helped my mood :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
What an odd post - I like Arrington, but it's posts like this that make him come off as a bully. The mob boss?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: "Nice mob you got here" ~ Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp
- Sean E Brown
I think Mike is paranoid one of those startups he loves to put in the deadpool want HIM in the deadpool :p
- Mark
A salad? You see this is the Kevin Rose effect. All the young kids up and coming in tech are all skinny, and they rock climb, and drink fashionable teas from around the world. No more fat techies with these guys in charge. Crap.
- Mark
@mark dammit I need to work out then, thanks for not sending me that memo before now! :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Lost me when he got to the pustules part.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
from fftogo
Mike Arrington's is not on the global radar, so his rant is useless. There are major social media shifts in developing countries, violent regime crack-downs, and tech developments leading human dignity campaigns.
- E-Advocate Network
Yawn, change a few words and it could be used by any class with power, religious, political. IE. Admin blog power, Green Dam, RIAA, Tehran, Bush. Read/Write culture is showing tremendous growth. There is no one person, power, group or nation that can change any of it. Call it Mob call it anything you want, but for 99.99999999999% of the population. His rant is a YAWN. It will change nothing and have no effect not now or ever. There is nothing to fear here move on.
- Robert Higgins
The biggest problem with Mike Arrington and MG Siegler's arguments is they only seeing this problem because of their position. I've said some pretty fierce, opinionated things on FriendFeed, Twitter, and elsewhere, but I'm not fearing for my life. Nor would I in the near future. Even though we're not anonymous on FriendFeed or Twitter, it doesn't matter for most because we're anonymous enough to where enough people are going to care enough to do something to us.
- Jared Mehle
+1 SpragueD, the difference being Ann Coulter has a pair of *cojones.* she wouldn't need months of seclusion and grief counseling after someone spat on her.
- Karim
Karim: I am no longer speaking at any TechCrunch event, according to an email I just received. Just so we can clear that part up of the conversation above.
- Robert Scoble
What a bone head move by TC.
- Mark
Sorry, I don't join mobs.
- xero
Wait. MA's issue is with Ff and it's people, not with Scobleizer. Why would he ban you Robert, and not us? You can't speak at TC, but the Ff mob is still welcome?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: I don't know, but he clearly was not happy with something I said above.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Mike considers Robert the leader of the FF movement for some odd reason. Cult leader. He evangelises the service so he must be the one getting people to threaten Mike, right.
- Mark
He is not even on any advisory boards or consulted on feature rollouts......IIRC Ff is ran buy Paul and some other dude.
- Matthew DeVries
I do see quite a few posts defending, or at least clarifying for the positive things about Arrington....*sigh*
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: it might have been a comment he deleted over on TechCrunch too. I don't know. I'll talk with him when he's calmer and see what got him to use that stick on my legs.
- Robert Scoble
It's getting to the point that Wil Harris and Martin Sargent are the only TWiT panelists that will appear together. (hyperbole alert)
- Matthew DeVries
Does Wil Harris have a Ff?
- Matthew DeVries
Don't think so. We have work to do to get alot of the big twitter users over here.
- Mark
Friendfeed is ours. We own it, not the celebs who own twitter more and more :/ FF is for the geeks.
- Mark
The people I'd love to see over here, Scott @extralife Johnson, and Kevin Smith.
- Matthew DeVries
@MDV, love to see Scott Johnson here. I think he could benefit from the more media-rich capabilities of FF. Also wouldn't mind seeing Wil Wheaton here, too.
- Hip-Hop in da House
@Jason: http://friendfeed.com/wilw
- MikeAmundsen
Robert... he *disinvited* you to London? lol. petty. perhaps not unexpected though, given his penchant for drama. http://dramabutton.com in the movies they call it a "plot point."
- Karim
Send him one of these, Robert: http://saydrah.files.wordpress.com/2008...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Karim: I'm going to London, just not going to speak at any TechCrunch event I guess. I'm going as part of http://www.travelinggeeks.com
- Robert Scoble
No, he got your London credentials pulled. "We got a burn notice on you, you're black listed"
- Matthew DeVries
©Scoble, you said, "...he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink." According to a rep from a huge tech corporation, even an unknown blogger can damage a company's ability to sell a product. When I asked for permission to review a new device, the response I received conveyed this warning. I never wrote the review. I'm not sure I ever wrote any others.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
MiniMage: yes, any random person can hurt you, but only if that pain resonates with others. If you have a great product or service, it will go on. Look at Apple.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: where did you read that?
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Arrington isn't in charge of http://www.travelinggeeks.com so he can't pull my ticket from London. He can, however, keep me out of TechCrunch events.
- Robert Scoble
I'll read this thread, but why is Mike angry with you, Robert?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't know. I guess he feels I turned the mob against him. Or something I did over on his blog bugged him (he deleted a comment where I wondered whether his attacks on FriendFeed were driven by his inclusion on the Twitter Suggested User List, which delivered to him $250,000 of value and that he never discloses when he talks about social networking). Funny if it's that because it's pretty much the same thing that he did to Leo Laporte that pissed off Leo so much.
- Robert Scoble
I didn't Robert, I was quoting the opening of Burn Notice eps.
- Matthew DeVries
from fftogo
Yeah, I was just thinking that's what Leo should have shot back with, and I was just thinking the same thing about the SUL and how dramatically that's a bigger deal to affect their coverage of Twitter than Leo's getting a pre for a week. I'll try to start being just positive like you suggested earlier, but it makes me wonder if TechCrunch got as many @replies attacking them as Mike...
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- Stephen Pickering
I guess I'm agnostic on this issue. I do feel, however, that when there's repeatedly smoke, there must be something that's overheating pretty damned often. I mean, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh always blame "the receiver" if they disagree with anything "the annointed" have posited. (No, I'm not directly comparing Michael A. to those guys, but if he's claiming to be misinterpreted by so many so often, something doesn't add up. Isn't he a "professional" in communications, after all? Just sayin...
- Mark Jepsen
I thought friendfeed was the "coolest app nobody uses"... now we're the mob ;) guess we're moving up in the world guys.
- Frankie Warren
lol Matthew -- no, the "Burn Notice" intro goes like this: http://www.hulu.com/watch... My name is Robert Scoble. I used to be a social media expert. Until... [VOICE ON PHONE: "Arrington put out a burn notice on you. You're blacklisted."]
- Karim
"A former Cable TV host who used to inform on you to the FBI: [You know Web 2.0 bloggers, a bunch of BITCHY little girls]"
- Matthew DeVries
LEAVE MIKE ARRINGTON ALONE!!! *cries*
- Alejandro
If this has already been posted, I apologize, but the bad side of a mob can be seen here: http://hashtags.org/tag... When a twitter / ff user says he's going to commit suicide and a bunch of people encourage him to do so.... Not a good example of the "mob."
- Ben Hanten
Ben: so, a bunch of Twitter users flash a stupid hashtag, it shows up here on FF as being ported from Twitter (http://friendfeed.com/search... - note the point of origin and how many users here actually used that tag), and somehow that's the mob that Arrington is talking about?
- Steven Perez
I agree with Mike too, except for the syphilis comparison (could have used a better analogy).. Emotions + Real-Time communication with the rest of the world can blow matters out of proportions very quickly, and especially so when not everyone reads all 286++ comments..
- Winston Teo
::Glances over and walks on by....again::
- Geoff Schultz
Winston: the problem I have with is with the equating "social media" with "FriendFeed", Seriously, this place is worse than, say, 4chan? Or Digg? Or Stormfront? Really?
- Steven Perez
Because Arrington didn't note this as a general problem. He specifically targeted FriendFeed over some of the worst social media sites out there. For that reason alone, his article is laughable.
- Steven Perez
@steven Yup, I would say it's not only about FF. But his "theory" makes sense in a general way, IMO.
- Winston Teo
Winston - I see you're new to Arrington's "Victim Tool" it's one of most used and most skillfully wielded. It's a shame that there isn't penalties for diving in tech, like there is in hockey.
- Matthew DeVries
Well, welcome to 1997, Winston. Because "mob mentality" has manifested itself since comic book nerds were flaming each other on USENET over whether Hal Jordan or Kyle Rainer was the better Green Lantern. If general assholery was the issue, then not only did Arrington's point hit wildly off the mark, it didn't even land on the same planet. I've been here for a year, and while people do...
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- Steven Perez
Not enough page hits, or not enough fans to drown out the dissenting voices. Arrington et al can hide in their imaginary utopian internet hangouts (as if they exist) and shut out everyone who dares to suggest they're wrong, but they need to stop attacking FriendFeed. It's not the cesspool they pretend it is.
- MiniMage, sheeple of FF
My take is that Arrington doesn't like FF because he can't control what goes on here or what is said about him here. He can't delete the comments on threads (unless they are his own), like he can on his own web site.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Clark heck, "threads" on Twitter are so disorganized that you can barely call them that. *grin* (I realize some of the desktop apps make them easier to review, but still.)
- Ken Kennedy
Mr. Arrington has a good point there: aggregating opinions and discussion indeed create online mob. We just saw it in many real examples.
- darwin|1q84
it is always easier to lead a mob than a person.
- darwin|1q84
I concur, darwin|1q84, especially when no one moment can be the whole truth. Mobs form quickly and often without the *whole* story. real-time, while useful in many contexts as Louis pointed out, can lead to a quick-time mob mentality that gets out of control fast. Great discussion. Brings up a lot of things.
- chad calease
Forums can be every bit as nasty as FF.
- Christopher A Carr
It has nothing to do with the medium it has everything to do with people.
- Geoff Schultz
Surprise surprise, Arrington deleted my comment on his thread. As I said above, he really doesn't like it if people disagree with him in "his own territory", does he?
- Ian Betteridge
If this thread is too much to read through, just parse the comments for the word 'control' Those 7 items explain why Arrington can't handle FriendFeed. nuf said.
- Christopher Harley
I'm not sure where Mike Arrington was back in the late 90's, but I was smack dab in the middle of a vibrant CNN online community where discussions happened in real time with real names and yeah, there were mobs around certain issues. Anything to do with the Middle East, or Bill Clinton was guaranteed to be a 24/7 shift for the elves who scrubbed the spam and the flames. This isn't new. It's been around since the cave man days. It's only a question of how it's manifest.
- Karoli
LOL of my comments over there he removed the one where I argued against Sean MacDhai for calling Michael a Douche. Guess he just wants to continue being the victim. I actually liked MA's stuff and enjoyed the turds he threw out sometimes. But deleting comments supporting him so he can just look more like a victim is low... Guess I'm gone from there.. His comment moderation makes it impossible to carry on a conversation, self serving as it is...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
the bully pulpit worked. against the bully.
- Rick Cogley
I think it's time to give him the only response I deem to be effective - removing techcrunch from my feed lists. Bye bye, MA. You won't miss me, but I'm certainly not going to miss you and all the drama.
- Ade
Having stepped back and thought about it, I think that there's a serious point struggling to get out of Arrington's post. He's choosing to blame tools like FriendFeed for people being vitriolic, but real-time tools - like any tool - don't make people do anything. People *choose* to be vitriolic: it's part of their make up, their culture, their approach to life. The problem that I have...
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- Ian Betteridge
The fact that Mike is deleting comments that don't suit his needs and banned Robert S from Tech crunch events tends to prove my suspicion, and this is about control. He doesn't control the Ff conversation and that's what bothers him.
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
@Kim And also the reason he chose to pull out from FF in the first place!
- Ade
It strikes me that Friendfeed tends to fuel invective out of partisanship or loyalty because threads like this one and the TWIT episode thread attract groupies. The bile comes from what the spewers must see as the most noble of motives -- sticking up for their Friend.
- Amyloo
the best analogy for friendfeed he could come up with was syphilis? Yeah that's not link bait. I'm sure the guys at friendfeed are just thrilled with Mike today.
- timepilot
I think Mike got used to shouting fire in a theater and he is now upset that the theater goers are organized and calling him on it. give me a break
- timepilot
Discussion of these questions is welcome with the understanding that the dialogue is invigorating.
- Mike Chelen
I would think Arrington's credibility is in question when bashing FF (or other social networks) when he is on Twitterr's SUL. No?
- Kevin Whalen
from email
That actually is a good and somewhat novel point in all of this Kevin.
- Matthew DeVries
Kevin: the praise for twitter is that it is less effective for communication, friendfeed should be thankful for the nice compliment ;)
- Mike Chelen
Andrew Terry: the post actually is much more insightful if taken to apply more generally, however it does single out friendfeed as somehow qualitatively worse than blogs or twitter :D
- Mike Chelen
It is rather silly that FF's supposed Achilles heel is that it's too effective at bringing crowds together. Mike's unspoken counterpoint benefit to Twitter is that megaphone-style broadcasting is still possible without too much interruption from the public.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I prefer twitter because individuals are individuals on twitter and there is nothing meaningful to say in thirty seconds in a flame war or a thread with 322 replies
- Michele Costabile
Michele, you just have to go up 1 to find one, Daniel's post was probably the most meaningful thing said in this thread, it was post 320. Need another, go up 6 to Kevin Whalen. There's plenty of well thought out things still to be said on this subject, even if it's this big.
- Matthew DeVries
We could certainly use some threading options in the comments UI, maybe even some upvoting and other dynamic resorting. These big threads tend to buckle under their own weight.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
*shudder* no voting or per comment liking. Then we do become Digg. There's nothing wrong long with long tracts of prose. It requires participants to be literate and skilled readers, and pushes away the fools. If it needs distilling, do it second hand with blog posts.
- Matthew DeVries
Daniel, I like time sequencing on big threads. I'd like to see simpler respond identifiers so when someone says "Jason," I know which of us billion or so Jasons he's talking to. I much prefer this to seeing comments floating around based on up and down votes.
- Jason Nunnelley
I did throw in the qualifier "optional" to my feature suggestion. I guess y'all's vote cancels out mine :P (http://www.theonion.com/content...)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel, welcome to the democratic process. Facts and logic need not participate ;)
- Jason Nunnelley
Michele: individuals can be seen clearly in friendfeed once familiar with the interface, and followed or unfollowed similar to twitter
- Mike Chelen
Guys, Mike should remove the post from Techcrunch or else we will start a group to protest against him
- Michael_techie
Guys, please join this group http://friendfeed.com/hate-mi... to protest against Michael Arrington
- Michael_techie
You created a group called "Hate Mike Arrington?" Wow.
- Mark
Michael_techie - That was a stupid room to make, and it's not funny, or clever, or ironic. You're probably a psuedonym for Arrington trying to create a problem that doesn't exist.
- Matthew DeVries
Yep, we should show how big is Friendfeed
- Michael_techie
Um, no.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Sorry @Michael_techie that's a fail. I think its time to move on and think about more positive stuff. It's 22 hours since @scobleizer started this thread, its like years in realtime web. Seas have already flowed under the proverbial bridge on this one.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yes, you won't see threads like this any more. Scoble wants more positive threads and is trying to make up with Mike Arrington who has denounced their friendship after several years.
- Mark
Daniel's post was an appropriate end for it. For me anyway. But there's no way to silence the thread without deleting all my posts and hiding it. That's a brokeness of Ff. It will keep popping in my notifier and my discussions filter even if I hide it.
- Matthew DeVries
@Matthew hey we should pile up this conversation in separate room
- Michael_techie
As an aside, anyone know if Michael_techie has ever mattered? Can I block him without consequence?
- Matthew DeVries
@matthew Are you promoting Michael arrington
- Michael_techie
As a FF user, It really hurts when some one call us as mob
- Michael_techie
Yeah, He's a flawed guy like us all, and I've always said he never should have taken an ounce of flame the second Leo forgave him, and the community is better with him in it. I wish he hadn't left Ff. But he is wrong about some things. Many things. Like all of us.
- Matthew DeVries
@matthew, He shouldn't call the whole FF users as mob, coz he got some hatred messages
- Michael_techie
Black Sabbath said it best: When you listen to fools, the mob rules.
- Andy Dustman
I'm really liking Google Reader. Once I get organized more, I can see how useful it's going to be.
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Valeria, I know a few folks who can help. Google Reader rocks.
- Louis Gray
Try using feedly too, it's a nice alternate layout
- Bill Kinney
Google Reader may not be as flashy as other aggregation tools, but it is one of the best tools around. I have over a thousand RSS feeds flowing through Reader. It is one of the only ways to parse mountains of data and glean real information. It gets a little trippy when you start processing RSS feeds of RSS feeds. For example, I saw your Friendfeed post first through Reader.
- Lorin Olsen
I like Google Reader too, However, I like Feedly in Firefox (which is effectively a Google Reader skin), even more. It gives some great social media sharing options right from the page, that Google Reader doesn't have, like being able to directly comment into Friendfeed.
- Ian May
Google Reader and FeedDemon. Both have strengths. I use and like both.
- Martha
Ian: have to agree with your comments on Feedly. Have been using this for about a month now it's a very useful tool esp when it comes to sharing and being able to see the friendfeed mentions.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter, I've gotten into the habit of looking at the bottom of the article now to see if it's been submitted to Friendfeed already, so I can help cut down on dupes
- Ian May
thank you for the suggestions - I had seen some conversations and traffic from feedly, I'll have to check it out!
- Valeria Maltoni
I find it easier to add blogs on GReader and keeping track of new posts is a breeze. Thought you'd all like to know :)
- Valeria Maltoni
I think Google Reader sometimes gets undervalued. The functionality including Share, E-mail, and tags have been exceedingly helpful to manage content in useful bundles.
- Richie Escovedo
Welcome to the dark side :) I live in GReader.
- Rob Diana
Louis Gray tells us the guy who coded the very cool http://BillieTweets.com is:
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Mike Demers, Louis says: "Mike Demers is a fantastic coder. He did http://www.blamedrewscancer.com, http://veetweet.com/ and http://www.tweetbricks.com as well."
- Robert Scoble
You can find Mike here: http://friendfeed.com/mikedem...
- Robert Scoble
Fantastic coder, Fantastic mind, Fantastic friend, and a Hodgkins survivor. 1 year and he's clear. Got the word on Friday. Total Rockstar and I'd be lost without him.
- drew olanoff
What a cool tribute! http://billietweets.com/
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Am I missing something? I only get a page with links to MJ albums on Amazon which the creator receives fees for?
- Gerard Vanschip-Miyama
Gerard: if that is all you see you haven't played the video yet.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for all the kind words guys!
- Mike Demers
Definitely the coolest tribute I've seen so far ... and possibly it's gonna stay that way!
- Rene Wirtz
The coolest use of the Twitter API I've seen today: http://BillieTweets.com/ a Twitter tribute to Michael Jackson's Billie Jean.
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it doesn't seem to be loading properly for me. Did you break it Robert?
- Mike White
pretty cool
- fijidaddy
Mike: possibly.
- Robert Scoble
I was fortunate to see it before Robert talked about, so it was not yet broken :)
- Jean-Charles VERDIE
That's pretty cool. Does it search for the words live or is it "playback" ?
- Klaus
I'll check in with Mike Demers @mikedemers - it might be buggy in some browsers....:)
- drew olanoff
it's so nice :)
- Matteo
@drew - you're right. works in safari, not firefox!
- Mike White
And thanks for the tweet/FF love Robert! Mike has done http://www.BlameDrewsCancer.com and a slew of other mashups - http://www.9astronauts.com (And is 1 year out of Hodgkins as of Friday!@#!@#!)
- drew olanoff
linkbait... from beyond!
- Dustin Hoffmann
That was really sweet
- Jason Tullos
Brilliant, just brilliant.
- Nir Ben Yona
Very impressive. Shame it picks up so many spam tweets.
- Conor Ogle
Conor: Twitter is full of spam and the search engine sucks in removing them.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Can you stop using Twitter?
- Jason Hansen
Jason: no. Why would I want to?
- Robert Scoble
love it superb
- Thomas Power
Thanks for the post! Sorry about the bugs, I'm moving house this weekend and whipped this up during a break. It didn't get the usual testing and debugging effort.
- Mike Demers
klaus: It's semi-live... The server periodically fetches new tweets from Twitter. There were too many words in the song to run the searches right from the browser.
- Mike Demers
Ketchup and Mustard Dispenser Are Grosser than Gross #wow - http://gizmodo.com/5302619...
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no.
- Derrick
WANT
- Shevonne
I kinda like the mustard one :)
- Lindsey is Fierce!
ROFLMAO I need those!
- Anika
Oh no! Great find Shevonne LOL
- BEX
I have to get these for the dining hall. The students will love these. Not sure our associates will like all the cleaning up afterwards they will have to do though :)
- Bill Heslin
That's awesome.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I'll pass, thanks.
- Shawn Whitmire
خاک عاااالم!
- آرامش مطلوب
Eww.
- Alix Whitmire
yes!
- Pete Delucchi
hehe - it's a pity they didn't demo it with some Sweet Relish!
- WorldofHiglet
Uh... ok.
- Michael McKean
Disgusting :)
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
hee hee hee
- Andrew C
crazy!!!
- Jo Aan
oh my goodness. these are so awesome... i'd feel awkward owning a pair with no kids around though.
- tiffany
Must have!
- Beau "Slick Foot" Liening
No.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
gross :P
- martha
the mayo one is NSFW
- Head Ov Metal
Why couldn't condiments have been this fun when I was 9?
- Mike Lewis
its funny lukin gross wierd disgstin,i min u cud go on nd on!
- Jo Aan
اه چندش
- آسویه
Love 'em!
- Jenny Morman
haha ew!
- Anamarie
The History of the Free Will Problem | The Information Philosopher - http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom...
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"From the earliest beginnings, the problem of "free will" has been intimately connected with the question of moral responsibility. Most of the ancient thinkers on the problem were trying to show that we humans have control over our decisions, that our actions "depend on us", and that they are not pre-determined by fate, by arbitrary gods, by logical necessity, or by a natural causal determinism. Keep in mind that philosophy is done by thinking and talking about problems, by logical arguments and objections, whereas a scientist forms a hypothesis and tests its predictions with experiments. Almost everything written about free will to date has been verbal debate, usually about the precise meaning of philosophical concepts, like causality, necessity, and the other dogmas of determinism. Before there was anything called philosophy, religious accounts of man's fate explored the degree of human freedom permitted by superhuman gods."
- Amira
from Bookmarklet
Related recent article: http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009.... "[Mele] prefers the term free action over free will to describe the control people have over what they do. Actions are a consequence of brain activity, which is based on millions of years of evolution and our own experiences. When we choose to act in absence of compulsion or a psychological disorder, then the conditions are sufficient for calling it free will and for ascribing moral responsibility."
- Christopher Galtenberg
Free Will (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy): http://plato.stanford.edu/entries...
- Alexander Kruel
'The Nature of Freewill' by AI researcher Peter Voss http://www.optimal.org/peter...
- Alexander Kruel
Order in Spontaneous Behavior. Or: Do Fruit Flies Have Free Will? - http://brembs.net/spontaneous/
- Alexander Kruel
Is free will an illusion? : Nature http://www.nature.com/nature...
- Alexander Kruel
And as extra goody: http://friendfeed.com/psique...
- Alexander Kruel
To round it all up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Alexander Kruel
“A man can do what he wants, but not want what he wants.” – Arthur Schopenhauer
- Alexander Kruel
Pulling Our Own Strings - Philosopher Daniel Dennett on determinism, human "choice machines," and how evolution generates free will. http://www.reason.com/news...
- Alexander Kruel
Elbow Room: The Varieties of Free Will Worth Wanting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Alexander Kruel
Everything seems deterministic when viewed retrospectively. The arrow of time makes the past seem inevitable. It's sort of like a question about the Matrix. Does it really matter even if it's an illusion? The fact that we treat it as real is enough to make it real. But if the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is true, then maybe free will really is real.
- Victor Ganata
Thank you Alexander and Christopher for the links!
- Amira
“Free Will” is a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives. (...) Free will also appears to be a condition on desert for one's accomplishments (why sustained effort and creative work are praiseworthy); on the autonomy and dignity of persons; and on the value we accord to love and friendship." - Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
- Amira
"What freewill tries to account for is our introspective conviction that we are in control of many of our choices, and thus our destiny - that we are free to think and decide. We contrast this flexible, conscious control that we enjoy with the involuntary action of, say, our heartbeat or digestion, and with the instinctual imperative of a bird's nest-building or a dog's conditioned...
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- Amira
"Choice is an action, so there has to be an "actor". Our mind - the totality of our mental processes - does the choosing. In particular, it is that aspect of our mind that is aware of the "self" that recognizes and monitors freewill choices. The traditional view that "I choose" is misleading in that it tends to set up our cognition and understanding for implicitly accepting a dichotomy...
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- Amira
"We choose to think or not, what to think about, how much and how long to concentrate on an issue, how many options to consider, which of the options to select, etc. We also make higher level choices of goals and values, such as desirable character traits, careers, friends and lovers, and of course, moral decisions such as when to lie or tell the truth. Freewill comprises conscious...
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- Amira
"There is an interesting consequence for debates over free will and determinism. Sociologists hardly seem to worry about this issue any more. This is as it should be, because the classic debate assumed incorrectly that if we were ever in a position to understand human action completely, we would then be able to predict it, leaving no room for free will. Complexity theory shows that even...
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- Alexander Kruel
"Consciousness seems to be intimately and inescapably tied to the perception of the passage of time, and indeed, the idea that the past is fixed and perfectly deterministic, and that the future is unknowable. This fits well, because if the future were predetermined, then there'd be no free will, and no point in the participation of the passage of time." -- "Free Will & Determinism" -- Vepstas, Linas
- Alexander Kruel
Free Will And Quantum Physics « On Philosophy - http://onphilosophy.wordpress.com/2009...
- Alexander Kruel
What is Free Will? | Brain Blogger http://brainblogger.com/2009...
- Alexander Kruel
Electrical stimulation produces feelings of free will http://scienceblogs.com/notrock...
- Alexander Kruel
Free Will versus the Programmed Brain http://www.scientificamerican.com/article...
- Alexander Kruel
@Victor. Everything seems to be deterministic indeed, that's why all we can do is to make our own choices and this is our free will... even if everything could be an illusion... a Matrix... A question is also if someone who haven't the ability to make a choice, or is not conscious of it, have free will or no...
- Amira
@Amira What exactly are you free from when making a choice?
- Alexander Kruel
I'm not free "from", I'm free "to"...
- Amira
To be free 'to', don't you need to be free 'from' something? Otherwise, how is it different from any other physical event that is unfolding? Wasn't it the only possible outcome under the given circumstances? Don't you need different conditions for different outcomes?
- Alexander Kruel
Alexander, according to quantum mechanics, you actually don't need different conditions for different outcomes, but this usually only applies at the microscopic level. Still, since synaptic transmission does occur at the microscopic level, there are actually some physicists who believe that the human brain, and therefore consciousness, relies on quantum effects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Victor Ganata
@Alexander. It's impossible to be free from everything what determinate us, it's unfolding process from what happens to us and how we react, it's like catalyst, and my free will is my choice how to react... I'm not consider free will as a physical reaction, but rather as a decision-making process by conscious mind...
- Amira
We have the free will to 'look around' our mind and feel for the best choice in a circumstance, whether it's in the midst of stress or boredom. Sometimes we have the time to do this well, sometimes not -- Sometimes the best choice takes hold, sometimes not. It's dicey. And it's very much based on how well we've constructed our consciousness. But there's only one agent who determines how...
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- Christopher Galtenberg
@Victor I don't know any physics that is not predictable, at least on average. When is the probability for all events the same? Anyways, total randomness wouldn't validate anything here, it wouldn't be a voluntary action anymore and neither free, since free from what?
- Alexander Kruel
@Amira @Christopher That sounds like self-deception. I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I don't see why you would want to call that free will.
- Alexander Kruel
Because if there is free will, that's probably what it is (how we described it). And there probably is free will, because the philosophical premise of the absence of free will is likely a thought experiment carried too far (into the realm of Platonic purity and absolutism).
- Christopher Galtenberg
The discussion continues also here... http://friendfeed.com/psique...
- Amira
@Alexander. I've read in your topic here http://friendfeed.com/xixidu... that for you free will is on the same level as theology and "religious concept kept alive to make excuses for various gods." I can't see any connection between my "free will" and any excuses, it's not a religious issue, it's not about believing, it's rather about acting.. So do you think you have free will or no?
- Amira
@Amira Who chooses what to choose...? Maybe it would clarify a lot if I tell you how I perceive the universe. You and me, we are one, we are the universe, the universe unfolds. Calling one part of a system free is so obviously wrong to me that it is just hilarious to see people trying to defend 'free will'. I could as well call my arm free, or a single neuron. The veil of language obscures a lot.
- Alexander Kruel
@Alexander Quantum mechanics is not deterministic but probabilistic. Even if you know everything about present conditions, all you can do is predict the probability of a particular outcome. Until you perform an observation, you can't know which state the system of interest is actually in. In certain interpretations, this means that the waveform doesn't collapse until the observer actually chooses to observe it. Reality differs depending on what the observer chooses.
- Victor Ganata
So?
- Alexander Kruel
There's nothing deterministic about the universe. It's all contingent on the actions of the observer. Since you can't predict the future exactly, you're still forced to grapple with choice. And there's no experiment you could actually perform to prove that the universe doesn't actually split every time you make a decision.
- Victor Ganata
Since every event can have a whole spectrum of different outcomes, even if the initial conditions are exactly the same, and since reality is contingent on observation, it's easy to read free-will into that. Of course, I suppose it doesn't really prove that free-will actually exists, either.
- Victor Ganata
Everything is observation.
- Alexander Kruel
My basic argument is that if we can't know that any particular state of the universe is inevitable, then how are we actually constrained?
- Victor Ganata
@Alexander. Your objection is about semantic terminology, "free will" is a conventional word, which we use to make our communication more easily, it's not universal "right" reference, it's not to take it so literally... so question is what means to be "free" for you and what is "will". Can we call our arm "free" or tell that has a "free will", or is it only "reserved" for self-conscious being...
- Amira
It would be helpful to know what context you're arguing from, Alexander, a scientific or a spiritual one
- Christopher Galtenberg
I'm trying to argue from a objective point of view. For some that may come close to spiritual, for others that's a rather scientific standpoint.
- Alexander Kruel
Amazing hashtags visualization that simulate yesterday traffic in real time regards #MichaelJackson news: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (must watch)
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The power of twitter is everywhere in the mainstream news today (not that we did not know about its power), but this time every single person on my twitter list, tweeted about MJ death. Never seen anything like that before.
- Orli Yakuel
wow that is neat view of real time web
- Susan Beebe
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it's actually exciting to see how people has an actual part in moving forward the news today.
- Orli Yakuel
Lisa It's Your Birthday - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Michael Jackson Dies: Twitter Tributes Now 30% of Tweets - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Wow.. I beat you to it.. :-) http://ff.im/4rrLo
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How To Hack Your Brain, Part 1: Sleep - http://dustincurtis.com/sleep...
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I keep seeing this topic again and again somewhere on the net. Does anyone know if this is even possible? Has anyone tried it (themselves)? What if your stress levels don't allow you to reach REM fast enough (or at all)?
- Rui Pires
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