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No Matter How Hard You Try, It Is Impossible To Fax A Cat #shareit
Ahmet Yükseltürk, selimovski, Joan Miro and 739 other people liked this
LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
That poor cat looks so confused.
- Georgie Bestie
but it's so warm on top of the scanner!
- DJF
Time for a cat scan!
- Jemm
Iz I the right way up for printing?
- Vicky
This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws.
- Soup in a TARDIS
LOL, Soup!
- Kol Tregaskes
that is one adorable kitten!
- Anna Lynn M.
<3
- Furkan Tunalı
Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out...
- Greg Lato
Kitty!!!!
- Janice
keep trying!
- Morgan
FEED ME A CAT
- tehKenny
Kol, it is NOT impossible. And that's all I'm saying.
- Steven Perez
Push harder
- Josh Haley
LOL@Jemm
- AJ Batac :)
آخی
- یک بابک
Hehe, Steven. I won't ask. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Gosh, just noticed this post has nearly 150 likes! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
1 closer....hilarious!
- Jeffrey Marsh
There we go 150 likes. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm in ur faxx masheen -- sendin de faxxez....
- Stephanie Segel
thanks, i needed a laugh
- chaz2b
FAXCAT IS NOT AMUSED
- Karl Knechtel
iz dat some copycat?
- bora "head" basman
LOL, now nearly 200 likes! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thats no fax machine, thats my new patented kitty juicer!
- Threepwood
Just one more like... please. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it's over two huuunddreeeed
- bora "head" basman
MOAR!
- Pat Hawks
I need 9 copies please !
- Faraz Mullick
A cute cat :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
Haha, Faráz.
- Kol Tregaskes
Next target, 250 likes. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Friendfeed loev faxcat :o
- Karl Knechtel
;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Pussy by fax. What will they think of next?
- Mattb4rd
X))
- Neya
OMGosh, next up is the 300 likes mark. Anyone care to join in? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Honestly, i'm not generally a fan of the Cat memes... But that is classic.
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
You know this is the 7th most liked entry on FriendFeed ever: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... !!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, this thread is pure genius.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
But only almost 50 comments.. :)
- Simon Wicks
Simon, there's not much to comment regarding the picture :) But meta-comments are more than appropriate!
- Ivan Zuzak
Simon, yeah we need 1500+ comments now, who wants to start? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there we go then for the 1500+!!
- Jaap Willem
1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers.
- Simon Wicks
Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, now it's the 4th: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - it's gonna take a huge effort to break the record of 452+ likes here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified...
- Kol Tregaskes
OK, now this is the 3rd most liked entry: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... :-D Crazy!
- Kol Tregaskes
Too bad I am fresh out of likes of I would do it again.
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
I'm using this photo in the latest chapter of can haz murder
- anna sauce
Hehe, Anna. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
One more for 350 likes, LOL. This is mental! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Come on, 350 cats for a cat getting crushed? You guys are mean. :-P
- Richard A.
I'd like again if I could :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
bump
- Simon Wicks
Richard, LOL!
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesomely funny!
- Martha
Next target: 400 likes? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
theres one more for you Kol
- Toby Graham
Toby, you're very kind. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cute *_*
- Sybelle
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 6 more likes for the 400 then I'll leave you alone. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
can you spare a cat 6 likes?
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
sweet
- Eric Hofmann
Haha, Jason, wow 406 likes, madness! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Madness? THIS. IS. FAX CAT.
- Mike Nayyar
Well 452 likes is the record, hmm I think that is pushing it. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
this is underfaksink at its worzt
- pb:
Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" ..
- pb:
Ah, OK, Petr. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :]
- pb:
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
OMGosh, just 23 more likes to beat this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
433 Like ! Wow !
- Like
Freemor, yes very cute! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
cute~
- Chan Pen
that's why is called a cat scan and not a cat fax.
- Phil Maxwell
oh ... a scan. not fax?! .... it looked to me like she was faxink
- pb:
Just 5 more likes needed. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Fax, Petr. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test)
- Iphigenie
Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes).
- Roberto Bonini
I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little
- SteVe C
Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
They fax much better if you flatten them first. What?
- The original Kevin
LOL, Kevin.
- Kol Tregaskes
i can also imagine the cat going there cause it is snug and warm
- Iphigenie
Ey, it would be a tad warm on there, especially after a long working day. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Caption which needs to be said aloud: Uh Ohz, I'm totally FAXED!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Hehe, Shawn. 10 more for the big 5-0-0. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Countdown! 8 more now!
- Mike Nayyar
bump for more likes
- Josh Haley
bump
- Roberto Bonini
One more!! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I took mine away, too much pressure.
- SteVe C
Wow, there we go, 500 likes!! Thank you all!! :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
I think Fax Kitty deserves a prize for that.
- Georgie Bestie
меня, признаться, подзаебал этот кот
- Парадокс Смейла
Kendra, absolutely. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all!
- Kol Tregaskes
did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
wish I could double like!
- metalerik
Wish I could just like it at all. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
This is also still on the Best of page. That must be the longest running best of post? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
But it's a cat being crushed...
- Richard A.
برای چی این همه لایک خورده؟؟؟؟؟
- نصرآبادی
Hehe, Richard.
- Kol Tregaskes
copy cat
- gibilix
518 like! most liked post?
- Lu Tao
ay yerim yaa çok tatlı kedicikk :))
- Arzu
Lu, yeah but a long way now. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
*bump*
- Andre
Blew past 500 likes - LIKE!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
OMGosh, nearly heading to 550!!
- Kol Tregaskes
So we know how many people use this site.
- Richard A.
So that's what Paws Printing means.
- Jack&Cleo
Richard, we getting there. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Jack, hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
this thread is making history.
- vijay
Indeed .. this is a most epic thread
- Mattb4rd
Hehe. 9 more for 550!
- Kol Tregaskes
8...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
7. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Actually only 5...cuz "You, Earl E Morningwood, yasin ghasemi and... 542 liked this"
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Who wants to bet how many likes this thead is going to get???
- Roberto Bonini
Gosh, no idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
take some bets then come back in a year to check?
- Iphigenie
:)
- SokooteDel
Holy smokes .. this pussy cat is approaching 600 likes!
- Mattb4rd
552 now, so there are some unlikes going on, hehe, oh well. Still an amazing amount of likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
560!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
And back down to 559. Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
And how could anyone not love kitties after seeing this photo?
- Susan Beebe
I liked it without reading this discussion - evidentially we have a lot of people who like the idea of faxing a cat!
- Rich
Rich, yes, worrying, hehe. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
564!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I think we'll have to recruit more ffeeps before this record will ever be broken
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
maybe a good way to clone cats :)
- Roberto
Hehe, Roberto.
- Kol Tregaskes
This surely couldn't hit 600 likes, could it!?
- Kol Tregaskes
It could! Keep bumping it up!
- imabonehead
It will :)
- Roberto Bonini
My next cat post: http://beta.friendfeed.com/the-fun...
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, not even 600 Likes? Feh. ;-)
- j1m
No yet. Close though. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Stuck on 581.
- Kol Tregaskes
One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-)
- John Collis
Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John.
- Kol Tregaskes
ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی
- Maryaminaa
11 more to 600. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
داداش كوتاه بيا، مي خواي ركورد بزني!؟
- Exir
هستم بره این کامنتتو ترجمه کنه اکسیر ! :))) داره از فضولی میمیره الان ! :D
- Shayan
Hehe, 6 more likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Need 1 more like, by my calculation, to get to 600
- Josh Haley
Another unlike then, back down to 598. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
it's 598+3, at the moment ;-)
- Andre
There we go, 601!! Wow, can't believe it. :-D Thanks everyone!!
- Kol Tregaskes
3 people un liked :(
- Roberto Bonini
I think there have been made unlikes over the last week, oh well.
- Kol Tregaskes
too many likes, the kitteh is burning up..stop the madness...;)
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
Haha, Jason.
- Kol Tregaskes
614!!!!!
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Whoa! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
man! ..Kol is gaining ... and I saw that pic one day before Kol posted it :X ..and i let it go! :[)]
- pb:
Petr, who's he?
- Kol Tregaskes
omg, this post passed 600 likes!
- imabonehead
@Kol ..well the man .. Mr Photographer .. ok .. let me go there ..
- pb:
I see. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
631 likes, amazing stuff. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
Day 11 and this thing's still going!
- Phil Maxwell
Why fax yourself when you can get famous via FriendFeed? :-)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
whereas a cat *scan* is totally feasible
- Megan Craig
Kol, congratulations, you won the Friendfeed Award for the most likes entry!
- Jérôme
Kol is this from your rival: Squashy Cat Photography?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Haha, Shawn. Have you really bumped this one again? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL I was actually looking at best of month and I thought I'm going to be clever :-)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
this makes me laugh every darn time I see it
- Stephanie•CogSciLibrarian
Who is this NShawnFW? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
kitties do like to find new spots to nap :)
- Maryam
LOL, now over 650 likes.
- Kol Tregaskes
این هنوز در نیومده از لای این دستگاه؟
- Maryaminaa
Wow. this is good..... pleased, Kol?
- Roberto Bonini
Pleased? About the number of likes? I'm happy regardless. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
So do we think it will go to 700 likes? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
what do you mean by "it" ? say "he" or "she". :)
- Maryaminaa
Haha, I was referring to the entry. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
lol
- Maryaminaa
I see someone already posted 'Copy Cat' !! LOL Great picture
- Kevin J Hatton
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
O HAI! I IZ WATIN FR COOPONZ, KTHXBYE.
- WYRD 101
Neksnapper 3000 Kitten Eradicator - Kills Kittehs Dead
- Mattb4rd
Hehe.
- Kol Tregaskes
10 more likes for 700! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
7 more by my count!
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Oops, yes you're right, Bec. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Isn't it illegal to fax a pussy?
- aerobroken
It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, not so bad huh? \u)
- Zu from AOD
Before faxing it, you have to flatten it out a bit. You're going at it all wrong! :-)
- Rick Cogley
Must try this at home!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Bumping some old great posts. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Now THAT is a classic!
- Allan Besselink
you have to flatten it first!!! ;)
- Neda S.
This is very good humor!
- TrafficBug
Hey, we've hit the 700-like mark. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
just a couple thousand to go
- Jason (not an Argonaut)
LOL
- Smeerch
__awesome__
- scotu ._.,
and it got resurrected once again!
- Iphigenie
I managed to do it once, but I don't think I'm going to do it again. The results were a little fuzzy.
- Seth Greenblatt
Bump.
- Kol Tregaskes
ahahahahaha salaaa baaaaaakkkkkk
- missipipi
I'm so glad this thread has been revived. The cat in the fax machine never fails to delight.
- Michelle Jones
aha! 700 kişi zorla kapağın altına tepilen kediyi beğenmiş
- Siminya
I've heard of cheap paper but this is ridiculous!!
- Neda S.
Copy the cat
- Alyn William
And there I was thinking this was the most liked post on FriendFeed. Darn, just 3rd. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 100 more likes to go. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Missed this the first time around.
- John (bird whisperer)
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Wow, over 700 likes. :-D
- Kol Tregaskes
715 likes and counting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Fax Yeah!
- Playing Well with Others
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
who revived that one?
- Iphigenie
Me, sorry.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just 40 more likes. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
all right let's do it...
- Iphigenie
Love this one!
- Fossil Huntress
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
#aaaf
- Ali Oz
Lack of hardened firewalls, webservers/apps and RDBMSs aren't the main problem—people are the weakest link.
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CW, yep.
- Micah
Sometimes it's the lack of people who know how to use those even while tools might be used. Even when tools are used in right way, things get broken eventually. Still, not even the most secure/stable software could prevent user from giving access to wrong person (more or less) intentionally.
- Daniel Schildt
If you use the password "password" as you password and do so everywhere... please continue.
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I use "Allen Ludden"
- Spidra Webster
I use "Where Wulfs uf Lundun"
- Micah
I use "P4s5\/\/0r|)" or my social security number, if it's for something really important
- Meg VMeg
I use passw0rd1. I'm no idiot.
- peamageddon
I use "password" as my username. They'll never suspect a thing.
- Mark Trapp
Well, at least OpenID proponents aren't gloating in the wake of the gawker breach.
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Unpossible.
- Micah
Watching Slumdog Millionaire.
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Only half-way in, and I'm already onboard with the accolades.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
It's a great film.
- Jenny R
Guuuy dayum that was good.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
I just watched it last week. twas awesome
- Laura Norvig
from iPod
I love that movie. I had the theme song stuck in my head during Audrey's birth so it will always have a special place for me. :)
- Rochelle
Favorite flick of last few years.
- SteVe C
"As soon as you trust yourself, you will know how to live." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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Julien to Julien's feed, Fotograf, Photography United, Photographers sharing links, photographs,and tips!
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Designed specifically for press photographers that covered the 1984 L.A. Olympic Games as Canon was the official Sponsor.
- Julien
shooting speed of 14 frames-per-second guaranteed to be reliable under all conditions
- Julien
ağır duruyor biraz ama :)
- Emrah Gunduz
@Emrah : 2180 g
- Julien
o boyut için gene de iyi bir ağırlık. 5-6 kilo bekliyordum ben. tabii bir de buna koca bir zoom lens takılacağını düşünürsek, asıl sorunun makine olmaktan çıkacağını da söylemek mümkün :)
- Emrah Gunduz
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- Mitchell Tsai
from Bookmarklet
This reminds me of Howard Schatz with whom an ex-girlfriend of mine was completely obsessed.
- Akiva
Akiva: Thanks for the Howard Schatz info. He's got some very cool pictures too! Any other photographers you like?
- Mitchell Tsai
Thomas Hawk?
- Akiva
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- Mitchell Tsai
A Farewell to FriendFeed and Facebook - http://fury.com/2010...
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Best of luck to you in whatever new role you find, Kevin!
- Stephen Mack
Best of luck to you, Kevin, in your next venture.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
cool! good luck.
- .LAG liked that
Good luck in your next adventure! Stay in touch!
- Anne Bouey
Good luck!
- Tudor Bosman
Best of luck to you Kevin. Will look forward to seeing you back in the river after a much deserved break!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Good luck, Kevin!
- Kol Tregaskes
And have a wonderful vacation in the meantime!
- Anne Bouey
Can't *wait* to see what's next -- like, after this summer :) enjoy!
- Christopher Galtenberg
Make sure you steal a ton of office supplies before you leave.
- Brian Johns
Congratulations and best wishes, Kevin!
- Ruchira S. Datta
Shine on!
- Brent
Best of luck and hope you enjoy your vacation!
- Arlan K.
Kevin. WOW. Excited for you. I look forward to keeping up with what you dive into next. Congratulations. :)
- Micah
Congrats!
- Steve and 3 other people
Good luck
- Rodfather
Good luck, Kevin!
- Mark Trapp
Where's the vacation to? /curiousnotstalkery
- Spidra Webster
I wish you the best! Keep us posted!
- SAM
Good luck Kevin! Enjoy your vacation, and I look forward to seeing what your next project is!
- Louis Simoneau
Big fist bump to you, Kevin.
- Derrick
Good luck!
- Jennifer Dittrich
Have a great vacation, and best of luck in your future endeavors!
- Aaron Draczynski
Thank you everyone! Fist-bump back and I'll still be around on Friendfeed. After all, some day I may need beta testers!!!
- Kevin Fox
Best to you Kevin.
- Vicarbott
Kevin rules. Welcome to free agency.
- Louis Gray
All the best and have a great summer break. Don't be a stranger.
- AJ Kohn
I could say good luck, but.......Live long and prosper, Mr Fox
- Mo Kargas
Much luck to you Kevin and have a ton of fun! :)
- April Buchheit
You'll still be ON Friendfeed, right?
- April Buchheit
Congratulations, and best wishes!
- John Craft
April: He said above, "I'll still be around on Friendfeed." He'd better be!
- Stephen Mack
Looking forward to seeing what you do next
- Adewale Oshineye
Good luck
- Andrew David
Happy Holidays !
- stanjourdan
Ya scared me for a second. Glad you're not leaving FF. Congrats :)
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Dream big dreams during your summer holiday.. Good luck!
- victed
Good luck Kevin - good things are coming your way!!!
- Martha
Have a great summer vacation.
- Just Joe
Best of luck Kevin, I'm sure we'll see you around
- Shey
Hope you have some meaningful downtime. We'll look for you in the next endeavor.
- Eric
Thanks for everything, Kevin. You are much appreciated. Blessed love.
- Nakachi
Kevin, you are such a badass. You will absolutely kill it with anything you put your genius mind to. Give me a heads up when you launch so I can start the first podcast about your new product! ;) Have a great vacation!
- Josh Haley
I don't know you anymore. Kevin, you're breaking my heart. I'll never stop loving you, but you are going down a path I can't follow... Because of what you've done . . . what you plan to do. Stop, stop now. Come back! I love you! *waits for Kevin to Force choke him*
- Johnny
Good luck!
- Mark J Colonel Colonic
Wish you the best!
- K.D.
All the best Kevin!
- JCunwired
Good stuff Kevin - can't wait to see what's next for you.
- Hutch Carpenter
Challenges enrich life. I wish you well.
- Jack&Cleo
Now you can't threaten that you'll deactivate my account when I steal Stephen's FF identity. Can't wait to see what you do next...
- Georgia
He can ask me to deactivate your account when you steal Stephen's identity :)
- Tudor Bosman
Tudor's got our back! Love it.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
Ah, I knew something was brewing when you posted the "So long, and thanks for the fish" fishbowl message...Well, Good Luck Mr. Fox. You don't know me but, I love your work. Thank you very much.
- Space Cowboy
Have a great vacation and don't be a stranger! Best of luck and you know where we are if you need to crowd source for LOLcats :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Have a great vacation! Post lots of pics from whatever exciting destination you choose.
- Eivind
All good to your travels, where ever you do go in life. :)
- Daniel Schildt
Wow, Kevin. Just wow.
- DGentry
Best of luck to you Kevin. And congratulations!
- AJ Batac :)
Congrats, Kevin. Have a great vacation and keep us informed!
- Auntie Buttinsky Botts
I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next, and I hope you have a great summer vacation!
- Lani
Every time I need to install MT I keep thinking I should switch to WordPress so I don't have to deal with installing perl modules anymore.
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Just made a blog and a Twitter account to a place I work :)
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Löytyi Sosiaalinen media opetuksessa -kirjan arvostelu Yliopisto-lehdessä 3/2010. On ilmeisesti monipuolinen mutta suppea. :)
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I'll write a full review in the next week or two but, though I love my iPad, the biggest current drawback is the lack of a great RSS reader. Google Reader doesn't scroll properly and Mobile Google Reader and Reeder (iPhone app) are just a pain on a huge screen. Hoping Reader gets the Gmail iPad treatment ASAP!
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Good to know!
- Mona Nomura
It probably will get it sooner or later as Gmail team has already updated mobile version of Gmail for iPad.
- Daniel Schildt
As Akiva mentioned in a prior post, Feedly on the iPad would be a game changer....
- Peter Ghosh
Hi Peter. Thanks. We are hoping to be able to push out the first version of feedly for ipad by the end of this month.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Hey, the good news is that this is a very fixable complaint :).
- George S.
Trying NetNewsWire for iPad now. Lots of promise.
- Kevin Fox
Was just about to suggest it. Let us know how you get on.
- Roberto Bonini
Edvin, that would be great (even if I don't even have money to get iPad… at least yet).
- Daniel Schildt
Peter, Feedly caught me tweeting about it and replied: 'hearing you. stay tuned.' So there's something.
- Akiva
Oh, dang, Edwin already replied. That's what I get for not paying attention.
- Akiva
Great to hear, Edwin! I'm looking forward to it.
- Kevin Fox
Apple's unveiling iPhone OS 4.0 to developers this Thursday. Talk about a one-two punch! - http://www.appleinsider.com/article...
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Momentum.
- Victor Panlilio
from BuddyFeed
saweeeet
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Aaaawwwwwssssommmmmeeeeeeee
- Roberto Bonini
As I've said before the real conversations won't happen on sites like friendfeed. There are a number of factors on sites like this that contribute to an overall speech squelching effect. When one is worried about offending everyone, it makes it hard to say anything truly thought provoking about the important matters of the day.
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LOL
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I mostly agree... but wouldn't say this is always true, in absolute terms.
- Ladyepiphanybug
Conversations on topics that matter, CW. As opposed to arguing about cilantro or LCD vs Plasma. Conversations on human relations, politics, and religion...about the deeper things in life. And if the conversation ends with someone getting mad, it wasn't real either.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
You had a pretty good run, no one poops on you. (except maybe Cristo)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
It's really the opposite. More real conversations outside the "how about them Cowboys" variety happen on FF and other boards. The "worried about offending" bit sounds like you complaining that keeping a conversation going requires being thoughtful, polite, and respectful.
- Todd Hoff
Todd, as I found out last week, you can be thoughtful, polite and respectful and still piss people off.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And this isn't me complaining. This is me saying how I see things here.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
define <unreal>; end.
- Daniel Schildt
So where will the real conversations happen?
- The original Kevin
Typically in more intimate settings, Kevin. One one one or one on two or two on two seems to be the best forum for real discussions.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I have had a few real conversations here.
- Alex Scrivener
Alex, somehow I've walked through about half a dozen "real conversations" on my feed, and never once had one that you would deem, not real, thankfully. I think it has something to do with the OP's position and openness towards discourse.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Like for instance, another friendfeeder and I had a great discussion on religion today that would have completely pissed some people off here or devolved in to a complete hot mess of tangents and bible quotes, etc.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It boils down to this: some people have trouble differentiating bickering from discussion.
- Akiva
Censorship is one factor that leads to an overall speech squelching effect, in my opinion. I try to avoid it like the plague.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And this is my experience here...if you have different experiences, great. I'm glad for you. Really. It's just not what I see.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Arguments, by definition are not real conversations. :)
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
So would this thread be considered a "real" conversation or is it phony/empty?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I don't know...has anyone gotten mad over it yet?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's certainly about human relations.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'm so angry right now. :)
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Heh, Shawn.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
This is especially true if you are me, CW. :)
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Either stop posting about controversial subjects, find a way to post about controversial subject that doesn't piss people off or grow a thicker skin. I'm sure that there are other options that I'm missing.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Don't be a troll. Don't get angry. Listen. Ditto Katy S, why the need for anger, stay calm.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Why isn't it a real convo if someone gets mad? That can happen online or in person. It's a legitimate emotion, and one that can arise out of a "real" conversation.
- Katy S
Katy, he said if the conversation ends with someone getting mad, that means they walked away, they decided not to understand the other side of the conversation. Not that you can't get mad during the conversation, but certainly don't get upset and stop the conversation.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Jimminy - I get that, but I don't see it as invalidating the conversation that took place before that point. I might be thinking of this in a way too academic sort of way, though. *tries to temporarily forget coursework in discourse analysis*
- Katy S
Heh, Katy, I didn't say I'm right, just that this is how I'm seeing things right now. Feel free to dissuade me of this opinion.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Eh, generally speaking I think it's one of those things that people can define for themselves (what a real discussion is). Academically...well, that's different. I probably use the words "argument" and "rhetoric" differently than most b/c of my training, too. I can usually switch between the uses of these terms, but sometimes I like to poke and prod at the ways people use them, too. :)
- Katy S
There is another reason why the conversations on the deeper things in life don't happen here as much as they should (or could)...too much noise. The meaningless floods out the stuff that could have sparked some great conversations. My recent post on what it was like to be a white girl growing up in a neighborhood where my kind was the minority, and some of the ways it affected me...completely missed.
- April
This is unreal.
- Vicarbott
Actually, Jim, the opposite of "real" in this case is "shallow" or "vapid" or perhaps even "trite" or "superficial"
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Excellent thread, real or unreal..... really.
- Mike Nencetti
This conversation seems real.
- Brian Sullivan
And I'm not asking for all conversations to be on the deeper things in life, it's good to have fun and laugh at #bitchlips and LOLcats and enjoy food pr0n too, but I like a good thought provoking discussion as well...oh and don't forget the harmless arguments...lurves me some argumenting.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
You people shouldn't be agreeing with Alex, this conversation was stupid and I can't believe it. *storms off*
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
ROFL
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Chris White must be busy...this seems like the type of thread that he'd love to be the middle of.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I agree with that 100%
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Aw c'mon. We have plenty of real conversations here. Alex, your conversation style seems to be to continually poke at people and you come across as pretty relentless. I'm sure that turns some people off so they aren't able to continue to talk to you after a certain point. I enjoy reading your stuff, but I don't think I'd want to argue with you because I don't think it would be constructive. Some people think I'm a douchebag and probably dismiss everything I say. But those things are true offline, too.
- Your Neighbor Steve
I wouldn't want to argue with me either...and as I said, anytime I'm arguing, it's probably not a real conversation as I've defined it.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Hehe, no need to agree with me, just as long as you see my viewpoint as valid for me.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
I have to say I've had lots of what I'd consider real conversations on FF--too many to dismiss. Alex, your viewpoint can't help but be valid for you, but (as a profound doubter of social networking in general), my viewpoint differs. Then again, I mostly hang out with librarians and a few scientists; maybe we're/they're atypical.
- Walt Crawford
Yep, Walt, it's a typical syndrome. When you feel bad, all you can remember are the times that you feel bad unless you really try.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Am I hallucinating, or is this a real conversation?
- Jeff P. Henderson
I don't know, Jeff...what is real and what is a dream? :)
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
Seems to me that we have very real conversations if you think about what this might look like off-line (e.g. me coming up to a microphone right now and saying this to a room full of a couple hundred people). But just like off-line, the hard topics get hashed out in much smaller gatherings of people were everyone knows everyone else pretty well.
- lris
Yep, I agree, we definitely have good conversations here...I'm not saying we don't, but it definitely seems like some topics go off the rails faster than you can say "oy vey"
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
from IM
For sure. Only to be expected. :-)
- lris
Business is Always About Connecting. Period. http://www.personalbrandingblog.com/busines...
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I am curious, where do you track your to do list and your notes? What apps do you use? Don't ask me why I want to know. I am fascinated by this stuff!
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Right now, evernote. But some day, evervoice.appspot.com mashed up with evernote.
- Ted Gilchrist
In my head, nothing fancy.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
Google Calendar.
- Spencer
Remember the milk w/SMS. And at work I use paper.
- Lo the Baker
Wow, I am amazed there's still conversation here!
- Steve Rubel
from email
I still use Google Notebook for my to do list.
- Steven Melfi
Friendfeed (private group) for web to do/notes, Evernote (portable notes and shopping lists), RTM and Google Calendar (not happy with iCal feed delay +6 hours). Also looking at reQall and DropBox for additional mobile options.
- Chris Myles
For my to-do list, I use RTM, reQall, and GCal. Both RTM and reQall connect to my GCal. For notes, reQall is also good depending on the type of note, but most of my notes are in Google Docs, Evernote, and Diigo at the moment.
- Rebeca
Evernote & Things
- Pascal
Combination of Jott and Evernote. Jott to keep track of things I need to do and tasks and Evernote for knowledge and when I need to capture information for a task. I have them integrated so that Jott can send stuff directly into Evernote as a new note. Here is a Lifehacker article on how to do this integration - http://lifehacker.com/373815...
- Ian Rudy
checkvist.com
- Kirill Maximov
everything in outlook on pc and bb
- Samuel Parent
Quick notes to catch at a moment's notice: the backs of envelopes, freebie notepads from fundraisers, Evernote for articles, Favorites for online stuff I want to remember, read later share, Outlook/Plaxo for contacts, Outlook learn file and go file to keep emails of good article links and events, mobile phone for key personal and business numbers, etc, etc. Too, too many places.
- Barbara Langham
bump. more people answer please. I love this stuff too!
- metalerik
Immediate to-do list is on To-Do's app on my iPhone, longer term but with a specific date/time goes on Google calendar, long term but with no set date is in Evernote and/or 43Things
- Lix
Toodledo
- Brian Joseph
from FreshFeed
To-do: Outlook tasks synched with WinMo phone via Exchange. Notes: EverNote for the ubiquity of having stuff on PCs, Macs, web, iPhone & WinMo, OneNote for the notes that contain mixed content (since EN can't do mixed type notes).
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Pen & paper. Sometimes I'll send notes-to-self to my email via text message from my phone. But yeah... pen & paper.
- Penguin
Taskerrific
- Morton Fox
Google Tasks extension in Chrome (nifty openable javascript, bottom right corner of webpages) keeps my attention on said to-do 'mechanism'. RTM but I'm not able to do it daily so each time I'm scared to act upon old months-old tasks, and fragmentation of the information between those services makes my pain in information tracing and progress tracking even worse. Love Vitalist, it's a...
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- Zu from AOD
At work: combination of post-it notes, bug tracking software, ad-hoc text files, and my notebook. Non-work: Astrid (task mgr for Android), ad-hoc notes on my phone, plus artfully arranging objects into obnoxious positions that will force me to remember to deal with them.
- Andrew C (✓)
None, I just repeat once what I need to do. Ok, I do use paper but on very rare occasions( when the list is too long).
- Ashish
Google Tasks - part of my Google Apps for Domains -- syncs perfectly on my iPhone. Larger efforts get MS Project (yea, I am one of those people! hehe). I am a PMP - certified Project Manager, so it only makes sense, right? :)
- Susan Beebe
this is great. anyone else want to enable this geek?
- metalerik
Interesting, thanks for tips. For myself, I have used combination of "integrated" task manager in my Nokia phone, Google Tasks integrated to Gmail and GCalendar + few other things. Normally, for saving notes (or pieces of text from somewhere) I write/copy/paste them to new email at Gmail that I will send to myself. I'm able to make it more complete by creating reply to the conversation and saving more details so that things stay intact.
- Daniel Schildt
Alternatively, I just bought my first pocket sized Moleskine notebook last week. And no, it's not digital. ;)
- Daniel Schildt
My prediction: the Tablet will be both an input device AND a computer
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Like an iPhone?
- Johnny
The iPhone isn't really an input device - it doesn't by nature send data or control the computer (except for maybe the Keynote or Remote apps, but they're pretty limited). I'm thinking the Wacom here - it will be very useful for graphic artists due to its size.
- Jesse Stay
Prediction: Apple will announce it.
- Louis Gray
Prediction: Louis Gray will buy the Apple Tablet, aka applet :P
- imabonehead
One can only hope there's an active digitizer. The smallest one I know of was in the OQO at 5". The rest are 12". edit: TabletKiosk has a 7" one too. http://www.tabletkiosk.com/product...
- Rodfather
I'd love to see a Wacom/nTrig active digitizer running on an ARM device.
- Rodfather
Johnny, that would be interesting - I'd have to see some use-cases
- Jesse Stay
@iamabonehead, I would hope they could make a compelling case so much so that I would. Right now, I am not trending toward version 1.0. In fact, I just ordered a refurb MacBook Air to serve as my "cloud machine". I am considering having that machine be iTunes and iPhoto free and just run Web + MS Office (out of necessity).
- Louis Gray
Prediction: It will cost money.
- Kevin Fox
Prediction: dessert topping AND floor wax.
- Ken Gidley
Prediction: under no circumstances will any content be transportable to any non-Apple device
- JCunwired
Almost like… "Open content… what's that?" ;)
- Daniel Schildt
It would be kind of great if it would have multitouch that would recognize 10 (or more!) fingers. Just think of software like Sibelius music composition software with full touch interface (including piano keys on the touch screen).
- Daniel Schildt
Another new O'Reilly book: Building iPhone Apps with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript http://oreilly.com/catalog...
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Quite interesting, thanks for publishing. :)
- Daniel Schildt
Symphony of Colours - http://albertosolitary.stumbleupon.com/#
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Dedicated to Medad rangi, Saeedeh, Anna Haro and anyone who loves to the colorful Happy world
- ardiba
so beautiful colors alireza, thanks very much, but I can't see your stumbleupon content.
- saeedeh
saeedeh: do you still have problem with stumbleupon? even with anti-filter? BTW direct links of this three placed in first comment of this post
- ardiba
oh, I hadn't seen your direct links, thank you :)
- saeedeh
Nice photos, added those 3 to Flickr favorites. :)
- Daniel Schildt
in remembrance of "Medad Rangi" who is rarely, if ever, seen these days.
- ardiba
After ages.... Thanks.... :)
- Medad Rangi
Interesting that lots of you think a bing deal with Apple would only be about search. Other things in play too. Maps. Finance. Silverlight.
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It could be that search is the pressure point: I'm interested in better maps, Silverlight, etc., but I use search all of the time and am NOT interested in Bing.
- Jennifer Dittrich
If Bing is able to offer the same type of integration and features we currently have with Google search on the iPhone, I've got no problem with them being the default search engine/app. However, if we take two steps back when implementing Bing, I won't be happy. That said, it would really hurt if losing Google also meant losing the iPhone Maps app and the YouTube app.
- Curdy G
I have found I use Bing for image/video search, find it much better than Google (at least for the searches I do). If they did go with Microsoft, I'm not sure it would disuade me from the iPhone - I know it wouldn't with all my non-geek friends. The iPhone has just too big of an ecosystem for most.
- PXLated
Why in the heck should Apple going with Bing matter to anybody? Not that Bing is bad or anything, but we can or should be able to use all of those apps on our iPhones without Apple's blessing. I hope iPhone 4.0 puts to rest the super-proprietary nature of the iPhone.
- Robert W. Anderson
13,000 people think Facebook is going to start charging in 2009. Please DO NOT invite these folks to FriendFeed. Idiots.
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Uwe: yeah, I just think it's funny that some people will believe the lamest crap just because it's on the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
You can count me in for not inviting them over here!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert these 13000 people would not know what to do on Friendfeed and leave in less than 5 minutes of signing up.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
this isn't the first or the last group like it, it's a good indicator of which of your friends are morons.
- Richard Lawler
Eldon: I hope I don't have that many idiots following me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
How about emails like these: "Bill Gates/Nokia/whatever will donate <something>, if this message is sent to 1000000 people". When I get something like this from some friend, I get disappointed on him/her...
- Jemm
there are 100 of these groups each week... everyone ignores them (well everyone important anyway ;))
- Thomas
Funny thing is - facebook is probably worth $3.99. Although I notice the French says $3.99 per month which would be a bit steep.
- Matthew Neale
but wait, i thought hotmail was closing the free service unless 2 million people add group Z ?
- Matt Randles
These groups are as old as Facebook itself. All they do is prove: heavy Facebook users = lemmings. :p
- Chris Charabaruk
I love you, Robert!
- Ladyepiphanybug
Wow, now it's at 18,000.
- Michelle M
There will always be a VIP group of sorts... back when Facebook started it looked like early adaptors were joining over there. Then came Twitter, now Friendfeed. If Friendfeed gets too mainstream (if that's possible) I'm wondering what's next.
- David Bisset (sn)
Why would they do that? They are already getting tons of money from sponsors and advertisers. Duh!
- Shevonne
@David: In the Web 2.0 world, there's bound to be something new and already in the works. I wonder what it is too, but I'd be surprised if it's not currently under construction, or even ready to launch.
- Chris Charabaruk
I wouldn't call them idiots. If they believe it, they believe it. So if it happens are the non-believers idiots? Hmmm
- Bwana ☠
:/... I doubt it will happen. They get enough money from advertising surely.
- ralphsaunders
This was the funniest quote I've seen microblogged in a while! Of course how many of these people use to (or still do) pay for Classmates or Reunion, so naturally they believe this garbage.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Reminds me of the false rumors a few years ago about AOL, Yahoo, and MS planning to charge for email to eliminate spam. Move on - nothing to see here.
- Mike Doeff
It's already 39,265 members in that certain group…
- Daniel Schildt
One thing to notice in this compared to older rumors is the amount of speed people notice it.
- Daniel Schildt
I might join and post something saying "Suckas!"
- Shevonne
40,000 now. Wow. I kind of enjoy the silly little worries of people.
- Daniel Zarick
wow. morons. Everybody knows that friendfeed's not gonna start charging until 2010!
- Vicarbott
@Jim - Facebook
- Shevonne
Shevonne... yes, I know. I was referring to Scoble's original post where he urged us not to invite them over here.
- Vicarbott
@Jim - We should. We would probably scare them from ever using the Internet. hahaha
- Shevonne
Shevonne -- good point.
- Vicarbott
These are the same idiots who are worried about being charged per email. I don't think they'd know what to do with friendfeed even if they were invited.
- Mr. Gunn
I wonder how many are over the age 0f 17. How many of voting age are in the group of 13,000.
- Franklin Pettit
I swear that first sentence just made my blood pressure shoot up 20 points. The second sentence rapidly lowered it. I have a few people added who unfortunately take everything forwarded to them as fact. They will never get an invite. This is my hideout from the people who shouldn't be allowed online.
- ilene
Chris, the group is not about pro features. They claim there will be NO free access to FB after Dec 31. Quite a different thing...
- Ray Metzen
And the group has 56,000 members now! Amazing... :(
- Ray Metzen
More than ever… 91,481 members at the moment of writing.
- Daniel Schildt
LOL, yes! Go go go!
- Chris Charabaruk
Amen
- Tyler (Chacha)
Hmm... I'm not sure which disappoints me more... People being overly anxious over the idea that Facebook will supposedly be charged for use. (This evidentially isn’t true) Or the knowledge that a number of people I don't care to count are here on FriendFeed discussing those that have joined groups concerning Facebook fees as if they are second class citizens. Take a good look at...
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- Jamie Howlett
funny thing is people not wanting to pay when there getting new games and apps that can keep you entertained if it did cost (which it never will) i sure would pay the Cheap $3.99 month
- Luke Moers
Of course Facebook is going to start Charging people money! Everyone knows it! By the way, did you hear Obama tried to move Christmas to January 8th? (its a fb group too so it must be real!!)
- Rebecca
#GWT 2.0 finally shipped. Tired but happy.
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GWT foreva! You never forget your first...eng team that is.
- EricaJoy
The Economics of Star Trek - http://locustsandhoney.blogspot.com/2009...
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From the Zeray Gazette: "James R. Rummel points out that in the Star Trek universe, there is no money: That always struck me as being exceedingly odd, particularly when I noticed that people were serving drinks in the space station saloons, and generally doing scut work. What motivated these people to get out of bed and work as servants every day, anyway? Where did the ambition to excel and become a starship captain come from? Why would anyone put on a red shirt and accompany the bridge crew as part of an away team?"
- Mark Trapp
from Bookmarklet
I always figured that banking systems had reached the point that everyone was embedded with a chip or something so that whenever they bought something, the vendor automatically recognized them and their financial arrangements and charged them without any sort of physical monetary transaction needing to take place.
- Jandy
Jandy, to get all Trekkie nerd on you, it's established explicitly that there is no money in Star Trek: that, after World War III and the Eugenics Wars, it was done away with due to a new social understanding of the greater good. I forget if it's canon or not that it was around the same time the replicator was invented (thus eliminating scarcity).
- Mark Trapp
Thanks for the clarification! I've only seen some of TOS and DS9, so I guess I didn't know that. Interesting.
- Jandy
...this future history always messes me up
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Can I mute this thread?
- Richard A.
From the post: "If members of a society can have any common object in unlimited quantities due to replicator technology, or experience anything ordinary in a holodeck, they will begin to crave the uncommon and extraordinary -- and will be willing to work to earn the money (or credits) necessary to purchase them."
- John E. Bredehoft
Before the world had a money economy it had barter. Before inter-tribal barter there was intra-tribal reciprocity (people divided up jobs and helped each other).
- Bill Romanos
After watching Star Trek for so many years, I think there's something to what you quoted, John, as well as a more socialistic economy: everyone does what they need to do because if nobody did, we'd all be screwed. So, in a way, it's an indirect barter system: I tend bar for you and you make my clothes. That, along with centralized planning, probably goes a long way towards handling any...
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- Mark Trapp
Heck, Star Trek is probably the most down-to-earth thought experiment into the end game of dialectical materialism. Proletariat Vulcans of the galaxy, unite!
- Mark Trapp
"an understanding of the social contract that's more or less repulsive now " Can someone explain me what's so repulsive about this? I'm trying to live this way (that is, helping others to the best of my ability), and not think about money. In fact, I don't earn any money now.
- Meryn Stol
*sniff* I miss the old days when the future was supposed to be so equal! Are you now, or have you ever been, a proletariat vulcan of the galaxy....?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
They named names! And planets!
- Mark Trapp
Is it conceivable that there is a detail of the Star Trek universe that was not fully thought through by its all-knowing Creator?
- Tim Ostler
meryn: I don't think mark was saying he finds it repulsive, just that society quite often forsakes it for selfish intentions, hence society finds it repulsive. You often find it's argued against whenever the subject of those who posess riches either not getting as much or getting more of it taken away from them to fund safety nets and things like common healthcare.
- alphaxion
Zapp Brannigan: "What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?" I think that says it all.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Alphaxion: I see that I wasn't entirely clear in my question. I wondered why it's found repulsive by some. I've proposed a "moneyless" economy as a starting point for thinking about a solution to our current economic crisis , but this immediately received much resistance. I'm not "repulsed" by a money economy, but I'm not repulsed by the idea of a moneyless economy either. The question is what would work better. There are big downsides to using money.
- Meryn Stol
To my point, I give you this essay: http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire... Those damn commies! "The primary goal of this document is to show that the writers and producers of Star Trek are promoting the values and ideals of communism. I should note that this has not always been the case; the TOS Federation was clearly a free market, and I can only imagine that some...
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- Mark Trapp
I've often wondered what would happen to our economy now if nearly free energy suddenly became available. The economy mostly boils down to labor+energy and if energy were free, what would happen?
- mikepk
It's interesting, Mike, that in the Star Trek universe, energy is the one thing that *isn't* in seemingly unlimited supply: many an episode used "we need more dilithium crystals to power the warp core" as a plot device, maximum warp is never sustained due to the amount of energy it consumers, and as pointed out earlier, one of the limiting factors of the replicator technology is energy consumption.
- Mark Trapp
Besides all the other reasons you guys pointed out, I always thought this was because they had found (or given by the Vulcans) ways to generate almost unlimited amounts of energy, which would make money unnecessary. It all comes down to energy, doesn't it?
- Alejandro
that's on a ship, Mark. I don't think it's the same on earth.
- Alejandro
I don't think the issue is the finite amount of energy we have on earth. Price of energy reflects the price of "producing" this energy, which is a combination of the labor costs and the capital costs. The capital costs (like oil rigs to get the oil out of the ground, refineries, offices for the oil companies, etc) also reflect labor costs. We never actually pay nature a dime. So what we're paying for is the "service" for getting the oil out of the ground.
- Meryn Stol
The main issue that for most people nowadays (at least I'm afraid this is the case) the "good life" consists of a continued vacation instead of contributing at least a few hours a day to the common good. We need to pay people because work is presumably something you'd rather not do.
- Meryn Stol
The starship is run in a militaristic fashion. I assume that if ensign red-shirt doesn't do as he is told by Picard, he gets thrown into the brig for insubordination. However, if that's what motivates people to do their jobs, it's a harsher world than I thought.
- Morton Fox
I'm crossing into dangerous territory about my Trekkiocity, but one other thing to throw into the mix is: replicators use goo packs, essentially a mixture of nanobots and organic materials, to create whatever you need. These goo packs are finite in nature (although the materials they create are recycled) and in some cases are rationed. So in a sense, they're like canteen privileges.
- Mark Trapp
Morton, I think that works for Starfleet, but it doesn't explain everything else. Unless you also posit that everyone has a specific function, and it'd be illegal not to perform that function; however, the United Federation of Planets is portrayed as a free society.
- Mark Trapp
Certainthe Ferengi are commerce minded. Hpowever, the Klingons and the Romulans ( to name a few) seem to be command oriented sovient style societies.
- Roberto Bonini
Most of the characters we saw on TNG had interesting, intrinsically rewarding work. @Meryn, I'd say that many, if not most, people like to have some form of activity in the long run, even if only to organize their lives. For example, in the real world, the majority of retired people I know fill their lives with volunteer work and/or the pursuit of hobbies. The tricky part is finding enough people to do the tedious stuff.
- Rebecca Lasley
"The tricky part is finding enough people to do the tedious stuff." Yup, that's the hardest part. I do think we can do lots more on "work design", work more on automation and mechanization (thinking about these things is a lot nicer than doing the tedious work itself) and also I think that a lot of tedious stuff simply wouldn't have to be done. Lots of consumption is fueled by advertising.
- Meryn Stol
Also, working as a craftsman is a lot more satisfying than being an anonymous drone in a factory. Economies could work on a much smaller scale.
- Meryn Stol
To quote Office Space, "Peter Gibbons: Our high school guidance counselor used to ask us what you'd do if you had a million dollars and you didn't have to work. And invariably what you'd say was supposed to be your career. So, if you wanted to fix old cars then you're supposed to be an auto mechanic. / Samir: So what did you say? / Peter Gibbons: I never had an answer. I guess that's...
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- Mark Trapp
I do believe we'll always be left with some "chores" to do. We could either try to distribute them fairly (everyone a few hours of chores each week) or we could explicitly assign status for people doing the "grunt work". Personally I think that current pay-scales need need to be virtually reserved. Doing only knowledge work is a luxury compared to hard manual labor.
- Meryn Stol
there is always a scarcity of services, and knowledge
- Mike Chelen
that and the oldest currency is that of the swapping of goods. You live in an area where you can't grow a specific plant, you trade items for it with those who can grow it. This scales up to various goods people can create that others can't. It eventually becomes the scarcity of serfices, goods and knowledge mentioned above.
- alphaxion
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