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Live now: This Week in Tech 234 with @Baratunde Thurston, @WilHarris, and @Karaswisher. Early start time! http://live.twit.tv
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Facebook's new UI may be tied to this http://developers.facebook.com/live_st... They are going from 604 pixels longest edge for photos to 720 pixels. They are the largest photo sharing site in the world so it's kinda big(ish)
- Johnny
yeah i've not got the new UI (yet)
- Chris Heath
Microsoft pulls Xbox 1 off of Xbox Live April 15th. http://majornelson.com/archive... Raises concern about cloud services... like OnLive.
- Phopo Jijo
Author John Scalazi on Amazon/macmillan: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2010...
- Roberto Bonini
the celebrity gossip site mentioned earlier: http://www.thesuperficial.com/ and the one mentioned by wil after the show ended http://www.egotastic.com/
- Chris Heath
stories talked about on the show: http://friendfeed.com/twit-st...
- Chris Heath
heres the story baratunde was taking about: http://emergentbydesign.com/2010...
- Roberto Bonini
iPad: Overhyped Flop or a case of Great Design Thinking? http://emergentbydesign.com/2010... (roberto, you beat me by seconds! GAH!)
- Chris Heath
This one kara: http://www.officelabs.com/project... ??
- Roberto Bonini
Hehe Chris
- Roberto Bonini
that silverlight video just crashed in my windows version of chrome...
- Chris Heath
LOL. no cheerleaders in Britain ;)
- Roberto Bonini
1 minute of cheerleaders, 11 minutes of action, 17 minutes of replays, 67 minutes players standing around: http://friendfeed.com/kshep... (WSJ article)
- Chris Heath
I'm still here...
- Johnny
from iPhone
me two, obviously
- Chris Heath
Me three.
- Roberto Bonini
Show Title: "Kenny Roger's School Of Thought"
- Johnny
from iPhone
No no no. somthing like the "ice water in hell" quote.
- Roberto Bonini
Ask kara about walt. :)
- Roberto Bonini
Show Title: "it's complicated" i think you're right leo, it might have been used before
- Chris Heath
Tease: resignation haikus, Apple and Google in a cage match, and why there are no cheerleaders in England...
- Leo Laporte
Great episode! Please have Kara on again soon.
- ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
PEW study: 83% of the reports in local news media essentially 'repetitive' (http://www.nytimes.com/2010...) [@GeekStats]
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Hold on while I retweet this!
- Dale
We're live now from #CES - http://live.twit.tv - Windows Weekly coming up at 10a Pacific.
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HI its ben snowing in ga and very cold GREAT SHOW vedios live ON USTREAM
- daveccorey
OH HAI Leo!
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Paul Thurrott is so full of it. What a Microsoft zombie.
- deleted
funny, I always hear him criticize Microsoft on Windows Weekly. Maybe you should check out the podcast?
- Garmon Estes
Live now: Windows Weekly 118 with Paul Thurrott. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Paul sounds louder than Leo to me.
- Charles LePage
I am a total mac fanboy but I love this show, its one of my favorite on the network.
- Jordan Patterson
One of my favorites too. Paul should do more podcasts.
- Charles LePage
Hello Leo, Paul, great to see you live for the first time - and I just signed up to this friendfeed thing :-)
- Kris Chaplin
welcome Kris! We hope you'll enjoy being part of the new Facefeed family.
- Leo Laporte
Wow - Thanks Leo :-)
- Kris Chaplin
Item 1: Is Microsoft screwed? There's a lot of silliness going around that the era of Microsoft is over I looked into this and contrary to public perception, Microsoft's approach to cloud computing is a winning strategy Open your eyes: We may never have the same single vendor issue in the PC industry, but Microsoft will remain viable if not dominant in the future This was the subject of...
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- Leo Laporte
Never tried these "rooms" before. This is pretty neat.
- Daniel Drake
Agreed - would be good to be able to work out how to get the video with this friendfeed in the same browser window. Anyone know if that is possible?
- Kris Chaplin
Interesting idea, Kris. it's very possible to have the non live version in here, such as a youtube video. But live? That might require some FF innovation, and now that FF belongs to FB, dunno.
- Charles LePage
BTW, stand-alone pop-up - http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... You can get there by clicking on the post timestamp twice.
- Ken Sheppardson
I wonder if one of the successes with "TWiT Conversations" is that not everybody is on it, though, as in IRC...
- Daniel Drake
perhaps I should move upstairs onto my 2x monitor setup :-)
- Kris Chaplin
Have Leo and Paul discussed the Mac Office announcement today? Bit late tuning in.
- Dom Barnes
No. Not that I heard.
- Charles LePage
"In a world..." *music*
- Daniel Drake
Unless Microsoft come out with a strategy to move Windows from Intel to ARM, or other truely mobile embedded platform, I dont see them being dominant any more as a consumer OS in the next 10 years. Interesting times, I think it is cloud and enterprise focus or bust for Microsoft!
- Kris Chaplin
Dvorak's Article: http://www.marketwatch.com/story...
- Leo Laporte
Paul's voice always reminds me of Keith Olberman.
- Jim Graham
Is it right that Windows 7 does not come with a email client? That seems ridiculous. How come Paul is up in arms about the EU decision forcing users to download a browser but hasn't criticised MS for stripping out a key aspect of the OS for many users?
- bobrudge
One thing that Apple may have done in the new context is Apple realizing they're a hardware business and only charging $29 for Snow Leopard. If they only charged $29 for every software company they're no longer trying to make money on the OS. Microsoft doesn't have that freedom, but they may need to rethink in ways like that.
- Dan Ficker
I know people who prefer a desktop email client, but I always steer them to Thunderbird.
- Charles LePage
And I would always steer people toward Firefox but it doesn't stop Paul being outraged at the removal of IE which I think we can all agree is dreadful. Windows Mail was fine and I know many, entry level users who use Outlook Express/Mail for their email. Without it they'd struggle for offline access.
- bobrudge
I think damn cheap netbooks with integrated browsers such as firefox etc are going to dominate in the next few years, so cloud, yes, but I foresee a gradual decline of windows in the domestic market.
- Kris Chaplin
"fast followers" save so much on R&D and risk - bleeding edge is painful
- Kris Chaplin
With early market leaders not making it..what does that say for the patent system? Are the vanished innovators sitting back reaping their well earned rewards or battling in court?..or?
- Dale
Perhaps Linux isn't so much an "experience" as Windows or Mac OS.
- Daniel Drake
I know almost nothing about Mac OSs. But, Linux installations, for me, always require much more work to get to a usable point than Windows installations. I always find some hardware driver issue, or a software issue, with Linux. But XP and 7 have worked extremely well wherever I have placed them.
- Charles LePage
Paul is so good at this, he is crushing Leo's argument :D
- Mark
a "legacy" of hundreds of millions of customers
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
It's ok Leo, you can talk about global warming. ;)
- Daniel Drake
If this question was posed on TWiG or MBW, the snark level would have been through the roof.
- Arawak
Global warming is my fault. I did it. And there's nothing you can do to fix it. BWAHAHA
- Charles LePage
I just built an HTPC on an Ion-ITX. Started with UBuntu 9.04. It was sluggish and could not get drivers to work for all features of the board. Windows 7? Installed flawlessly, all features work, and it responds faster than Ubuntu.
- Brian Merriman
He's not crushing Leo's argument. It's a mirror of this week's MacBreak Weekly in which Apple apologists defended Apple to the hilt through one-eyed praise. Much as Paul is defending MS by saying most of what they're doing is brilliant, which is questionable at best
- bobrudge
will people really care what OS they are running, if everything is in the cloud?
- Kris Chaplin
Outstanding, Brian. To me, Ubuntu works well where it is designed to. Windows OSs seem to work well even when you don't expect them to. Which is probably due to the years Microsoft has spent working very hard to not leave anyone or anything behind.
- Charles LePage
Not sure I agree with Paul's argument, don't know why but his main argument seems to be is Microsoft has been successful because it has been and so it will continue to be
- Kim Landwehr
I doubt cloud computing will really take off until web connection no matter where you are becomes the norm.
- Jovanni Bello
If all you do is read email and web pages, the cloud is fine. For everyone else, you will need more than just the cloud.
- Charles LePage
I hate the idea that 'everything' is going to be in the cloud, it's ridiculous. We'd need universal open access super-fast broadband for it to be even conceivable. Am I expected to have my movies and games stored online and streamed?
- bobrudge
I think the Zune is cool
- Ryan
cloud won't replace what you have, but add to it
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
My wife and two daughters each have a Zune.
- Charles LePage
And my seven year old son wants one. I want the HD Zune.
- Charles LePage
Please explain "Custom XML".
- Daniel Drake
I use my zune daily, haven't used my ipod nano in at least 6 months
- Ryan
I only use my ipod nano because no one has bought me a Zune yet. :(
- Charles LePage
We love the Zune... One 80G and two 120G in this house...thinking on the HD. Sold my iPod Classic to get the Zune.
- Brian Merriman
I have the original 30 myself. What I loved was the fact the software updates were free and applied to the first gen as well. That and the zune software on Windows>>>>iTunes.
- Arawak
Are the ODTV twit broadcasts available in the Zune podcast marketplace?
- Charles LePage
Leo MUST have noticed this show gets some of the most engagement on Friendfeed than other TWiT shows
- Mark
Well people listening live to Windows Weekly are quite likely to have a Zune aren't they, at least in comparison to general takeup. If you lot aren't buying one, then no one is.
- bobrudge
Good point, bo.
- Charles LePage
I think alot of people listen because Paul is just so damn good at his job
- Mark
if there was a TWiT awards 2009 he would win several awards :D
- Mark
Item 2: Microsoft Word enjoined by Texas court, http://www.pcworld.com/article...
- Leo Laporte
Paul said "screw you" :-) hehe
- Kris Chaplin
alex is also great at holding his own
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Microsoft, small and soft acting like a man yee right
- Tobias Sundstrand
I understand Leo is changing the name of the network from Twit to SYTV (screw you television)
- Charles LePage
lol
- Kris Chaplin
Paul's right. They need some of that pre-antitrust mojo back. http://i29.tinypic.com/30ctw1z...
- Arawak
leo's still at the top of a google screw you mike search. it's practically a cliche now that i'm tired of hearing... but it's "legacy" (heh, fancy that)
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
haha
- Kris Chaplin
see? never ends
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
drink.
- Daniel Drake
Item 3: Microsoft and Nokia What this means And why I think Office on the iPhone and Google phones is inevitable Remember "knifing the baby"? This is it, and Microsoft does this all the time
- Leo Laporte
i bet if you google scew you the first result will be Leo
- Tobias Sundstrand
nope - not even on the first page!
- Kris Chaplin
wintel platform
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Item 4: Microsoft rebrands Windows Mobile as Windows Phones No it doesn't Once again, people just aren't paying attention
- Leo Laporte
I would probably use office on my Nokia if the price is right
- Kris Chaplin
"Knifing the baby" Isn't that what Paul said the softies called it.
- Arawak
I wonder if Leo got Dave Winer's email last week about hosting Reboot The News and Bad Hair Day
- Mark
Off topic, but cool geeky thing for the iphonehttp://www.tuaw.com/2009...
- Tobias Sundstrand
MS won't let the Zune work on Macs
- bobrudge
Does anyone want to use a Zune on a Mac?
- Charles LePage
I would think there is probably not a great overlap between mac and zune users, but I would be surprised if it didnt work
- Kris Chaplin
can that be done?
- Tobias Sundstrand
It took Apple how many iterations before iPod was Windows compatible and it didn't have 3% marketshare.
- Arawak
I want a drobo, but i have no money left from buying a scottevest jacket that Leo recomended
- Tobias Sundstrand
@Adi He means Apple doesn't have the marketshare to care if Mac users use a Zune or not. Meaning, Apple had to make the iPod Windows compatible since Windows has the majority marketshare
- DeskTube
Paul just mentioned Microsoft Exchange as an example of interoperability. I support Exchange for one of my clients and I think it is very limited in it's interoperability.
- Matthew Schrock
will spinrite work with it?
- Kris Chaplin
It should.
- Charles LePage
two and a half drobo
- Daniel Drake
Well, a quick bit of googling indicates you can't run Spinrite on a drive while it inside a Drobo.
- Charles LePage
oh thats a shame... is it a raid thing, or just compatibility with dos?
- Kris Chaplin
Google, always shattering dreams lol
- DeskTube
When I've used Spinrite, it has insisted on booting to the CD, and I don't think a computer that a Drobo is connected to will see the Drobo before booting into Windows.
- Charles LePage
hmm.. how about in vmware?
- Kris Chaplin
I don't know, I've never thought about trying that!
- Charles LePage
Watch as Leo tries with great effort to steer this back into an Audible ad.
- Daniel Drake
I'm surprised there isn't an Audible podcast. :)
- Charles LePage
This week in Kindle
- Kris Chaplin
There isn't? No Audible bookclub?
- Daniel Drake
Item 5: Zune HD Coming September 15 You can preorder today 16 GB is black only (during preorder), $220 32 GB is platinum only (during preorder), $300 - both MUCH cheaper than iPod touch If you wait, you can choose between several colors Looks good
- Leo Laporte
Do you think not having a camera on the zune hd is going to hurt it ?
- Kashif Khan
have they got a sdhc socket in the side? That would be a neat expansion feature
- Kris Chaplin
Can the Zune HD be used as a PDA? That is, does it have an address book and calendar that can be synced with a PC?
- Dale Feinstein
I'm surprised that it doesn't do flash even with Tegra under the hood.
- Arawak
knew basically nothing about zune hd and googled it, got not much, then I tried http://spezify.com/#/zune%20hd. much nicer search result for such a query.
- Oskar Gunnarsson
Hang on Paul, my phone's ringing...
- Daniel Drake
waiting for the "I'm Zune, I'm IPOD" adverts :-)
- Kris Chaplin
wouldnt it be a showstopper for a forced chkdisk on boot?
- Kris Chaplin
Item 6: Upgrading to Windows 7 vs. Migrating Are Windows XP users getting the shaft? Sort of. But two things 1) This isn't "news" - I documented this process back in May 2) Contrary to the conventional wisdom, this doesn't affect a big group of people
- Leo Laporte
omg, so grandma can't do her chkdsk?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
lmao
- Arawak
Audible pick of the week The Innovator's Dilemma: When New Technologies Cause Great Firms to Fail by Clayton M. Christensen http://www.audible.com/adbl... Note: this one is abridged, but this topic is very relevant right now "Great companies can fail: not because they do anything wrong, but because they do...
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- Leo Laporte
Did someone write a book about the Obama campaign's social media strategy?
- Daniel Drake
The Lady or the Tiger: http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-s...
- Leo Laporte
Screw you leo :-)
- Kris Chaplin
joke :-)
- Kris Chaplin
Tip of the week: Check out Microsoft Springboard for some great in-depth Windows 7 feature walk-throughs and other information about the next Windows. Aimed at IT Pros, and includes some topics I have not examined yet, like VHD booting. http://www.microsoft.com/springb...
- Leo Laporte
Why not use GoToMeeting? :P
- Daniel Drake
I don't usually go out in public if I am irregular.
- Charles LePage
Software pick of the week Windows XP Mode and Windows Virtual PC Release Candidates Some interesting functional changes Final will ship by Windows 7 GA Discuss: Some misconceptions about what this is for, also that "XP mode" isn't just for XP http://www.microsoft.com/virtual...
- Leo Laporte
thanks paul, Leo great show
- Kris Chaplin
good show!
- Daniel Drake
Outstanding show
- Charles LePage
see you guys - nice chat
- Kris Chaplin
Leo is excited to learn more about how Facebook will use Friendfeed. Please don't change it, though!
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I don't have a good feeling about this one ...
- Boris Gordon
I think FF will certainly change (or, worst case, cease to exist).
- Brett Kelly
maybe FF can just be the test box and we're all beta users, then port what works over to FB ... everybody's happy? yeah, it'll never work.
- John
My guess is FF will pretty much freeze it's feature set and code base. FF engineers will start working on adding functionality to Facebook, and at some points 6-12mo from now, FF will go the way of Pownce.
- Ken Sheppardson
I think the probable outcome is the Feedburner scenario; it still works, they just stopped innovating.
- Gerardo Capetillo
when will they realize we do not necessarily want everything linked together. it is not always about trying to hide your idenity has it is just using different social media tools for different purposes.
- R. Ferguson
I think Facebook will just kill Friendfeed
- Terry Cleary
That's the spirit. I'm tired of the "when are we jumping" posts - this is the right attitude.
- Jesse Stay
That's because you're "pro-Facebook", Jesse... of course you'd be tired of the anti-Facebook backlash.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed = labs.facebook.com
- Mike Doeff
I don't have a good feeling about this either. Hopefully FF and FB get better, only time will tell.
- Kolomona
Does this mean I'll have to log onto my facebook page? I've been ignoring fb since January.
- Dale
Facebook is going to just "flop" friendfeed, i can see it... but i would hate to see it end that way, friendfeed is that social networking site that really matters, and us "true" early friendfeed users will alway remember it as the best site ever!
- Bryce Campbell
Ken, I'm not just "pro-Facebook". I understand it. I know the team. I also understand FriendFeed and somewhat understand their team as well. I think I'm more qualified to say that than anyone.
- Jesse Stay
I don't see this as a good sign for FF....innovation will be geared for Facebook, FF could be a FB labs sort of thing, but it's not the same. I have yet to see mergers or acquisitions not kill off or turn whatever was eaten into a dead pile of junk. Time Warner -- AOL anyone?
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
FriendFeed will change about as much as Flickr changed after Yahoo took over.
- Gus
I think that this will end up seeing FF becoming the central feed for FB. Possibly something along the lines of the public timeline for Twitter, but with FF becoming the public timeline for FB.
- Andrew
Andrew, exactly. I think Facebook desperately needs and wants something like this. I don't expect it to go away.
- Jesse Stay
Somehow I don't believe that FriendFeed will survive this. Let's enjoy it as long as it's still around.
- Patrick Harms
Yahoo! bought Flickr and Delicious. Conde Nast bought Reddit. Those are still around and in good form. Let's hope FriendFeed gets better instead of disappearing.
- Jeff Harbert
When something that you use is bought up by a giant I think that you feel that you lose something.Looking forward to seeing the outcome.Ger
- gerald miller
Agreed, don't slow it down
- Marc Cooper
wel see
- Ranjit Wassan
I'd love to see Mike be right - FF = labs.facebook.com - Keep the innovations happening here on FF, and see those innovations find their way to the Facebook feed. While that would necessarily mean that FF innovations would have an eye towards how those would work on Facebook, really, where's the harm in that?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Given that the code of the two platforms is completely independent right now, I really can't imagine why Facebook would want to divert engineering effort to extending FF.
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't think FB can pull it off. They have so many 'brokens' in FB all the time
- Lee Kent
Leo Good Day, Sir. I'm on here an hour and I like it, I'm a big Twitter fan. I think it's exciting personally, a lot to like and some cool features like direct ermail back to someone if you have email alerts. Facebook, seems to me, will only make it better. Cheers and thanks for all you do, I'm a fan.
- Paul Roberts
Don't you think they will change it, Leo? I'm not as excited about this as you are. I like friendfeed but I'm not much of a facebook fan. I don't know if I can learn to love it. I guess I'll try. But I don't know if it's gonna happen. I think friendfeed as we know it is no more.
- Lise
So, who is leaving FriendFeed?
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And go where? Back to Twitter or...Facebook?
- Manuel Mas
no idea yet.... see what happens.
- Rob Sellen :o)
I have nowhere else to go. No where else gives me the high level of interaction that FF does.
- Mel Buckpitt
Same FriendFeed as before, I'll still use.
- Ben Parr
Of course if Paul hands me a few hundred shares of stock ... just kidding. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I was going to ask how you felt about the purchase, but now I see
- acedanger
Depends how much it changes.
- Andrew Leyden
Why leave?
- Mike Shulman
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes
- Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me.
- Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for.
- Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then.
- Jim #TeamMonique
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha.
- Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on.
- Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point?
- iTad
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows..
- Terry O'Fee
I can't wait to try out wave. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;)
- Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public?
- BRҰANSAҰS
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no?
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around to the bitter end.
- Dave Metzener
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard
- Mike Elliott
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving?
- George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind?
- Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends
- Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet.
- David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see...
- Gus
Scoble: Ning?!?! Really?
- Manuel Mas
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists?
- Jeff P. Henderson
hmm, ning. unexpected, but understandable
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon.
- David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible.
- sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open.
- Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form.
- Ashish
Google/Twitter vs. Facebook/FriendFeed
- Stephen Pickering
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does.
- Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish.
- Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site?
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more...
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- Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-)
- Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :)
- Brandon Titus
I'll stick around until the end.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!!
- professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary.
- Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch.
- Arawak
I'll stick around until they pull the plug.
- Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook?
- Tate
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!!
- Cass
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where?
- Michael Liss
I heard it's MySpace
- sean percival
I'm staying until the end as well.
- Mitch
quick! everybody back to MySpace!!!
- acedanger
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed?
- Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it.
- Robert Scoble
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick
- Stephen Pickering
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web.
- Darrel Davis
Should we move to where?? haha
- harri78son
I'll be here until something actually changes for the worse
- Dennis O'Neil
harri78son you could come back over to my blog and we could setup JS-Kit Echo. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's right, Scoble is the catalyst for these longer threads anyway, so it might as well move to his JS-Kit
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, that's a pity. I'm lucky to deal in things that only get more interesting as they get older.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm torn. What are our options?
- Kelly Mitchell
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down,
- harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P
- Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists.
- Mike Elliott
I'm here till the end.
- Nolan Alston
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this
- Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-)
- Robert Scoble
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds.
- Got80s
Let's make the longest thread in FF history
- Stephen Pickering
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal.
- Edward Coffey
Damn it. Why is Arrington always right!
- Stephen Pickering
Jeff P. Flickr is different Yahoo bought them for their user base. Facebook bought Friendfeed for their features.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Got80: why do that? Who cares if your feeds are going in here?
- Robert Scoble
Edward: that is true. It caught us all off guard and we're still processing it.
- Robert Scoble
Kind of huge things in this time,.hmmm
- harri78son
Facebook bought FF for Paul Bucheit
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though.
- Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place...
- Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF.
- Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing.
- Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet.
- Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble?
- Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent.
- Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe...
- Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway
- Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate?
- Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps.
- Robert Scoble
Among other ex-Google superstars.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love.
- Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom
- Kelly Mitchell
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join.
- mark silva
Go where, do what?
- frankiecarl
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen?
- Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible.
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds.
- Melanie Reed
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol
- Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!!
- harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com
- BRҰANSAҰS
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base.
- Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money.
- Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that
- Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again.
- Grant Bierman
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it.
- Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is.
- Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you.
- Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Leo's going to need a new show, TWIF
- Stephen Pickering
This week in Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Anyone here ever feel like we're just being tossed around from website to website by the big players?
- Christopher Doiron
Thanks Kelly :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
Chris, Yep
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave.
- Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug.
- Kelly Mitchell
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate.
- Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight
- Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address?
- Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo?
- Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share.
- Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks.
- Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has
- Stephen Pickering
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through.
- Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service.
- Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O)
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site.
- April Russo
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed.
- Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol.
- Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to!
- Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that.
- Bruce Lewis
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend...
- Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family.
- Robert Scoble
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?!
- Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle.
- Robert Scoble
Well said Robert
- Kelly Mitchell
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me
- Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good.
- Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help.
- Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook.
- John Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens
- Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed
- Stephen Pickering
so much DRAMA
- Kevin Pruett
Kevin, the Drama is warranted
- Stephen Pickering
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream
- Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me.
- rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it.
- April Russo
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook
- Carlos Leiva Burotto
Did you guys see Dave Winer's URL shortner, http://rp.ly? Genius.
- Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle: Rizzn and Louis Gray and I did a podcast earlier where we talked through some of our feelings. It was very, um, theraputic.
- Robert Scoble
Louis's blog post was classic.
- Bruce Lewis
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this
- Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away!
- Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration
- Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook
- Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on
- Stephen Pickering
I'm staying...
- Luis
Thanks for feeding the flames, there, Scoble. *WHAT* on earth is so scary about all this?
- Brad McCrorey
Brad, FF has died. Scoble made this thing. And what does he get out of it? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I got you all as friends.
- Robert Scoble
:-)
- Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run.
- phil baumann
from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me
- Chris Heath
I follow the Cheese!
- Rich Weaver
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!)
- Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook.
- April Russo
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can
- Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community.
- Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-)
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend.
- Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we?
- Harald Felgner
Harald Yes!
- Stephen Pickering
I say we all leave Facebook instead.
- Larry Roth
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different.
- Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF?
- WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming?
- Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook.
- Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell.
- Robert Scoble
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds.
- Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes!
- Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going?
- Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too.
- Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion
- Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook?
- Robert Scoble
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Dunno if I'll leave the ship...
- Wario
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!?
- Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O
- Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun!
- Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here.
- Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement?
- BRҰANSAҰS
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see.
- Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh...
- Ken Sheppardson
++Steve Gillmor
- Bruce Lewis
Ken you'll be back.
- Steve Gillmor
I don't think FB will change it all so quickly. But I do like Laconica, too.
- Monique Hodgkinson
Steve you're making it hurt worse! ;-(
- Stephen Pickering
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait?
- Ken Sheppardson
stephen how so
- Steve Gillmor
I don't know where to go :(
- K.D.
I'll make up my mind when I figure out what better alternative there is to Friend Feed.
- Anthony Teegarden
Because we know FF has died
- Stephen Pickering
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you?
- Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones!
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them
- Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better
- Johni Fisher
Choose I meant
- Stephen Pickering
Please stop with FF has died chatter!
- BRҰANSAҰS
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions
- Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year
- Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp.
- Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all?
- Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x)
- Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
they can go build it again. but zuckerberg has been wanting this for some time
- Steve Gillmor
need to wait what will happen to FF
- Toni @ NavinoT
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value.
- Jonathan Hardesty
Pickering: RSS is dead, not FF
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives
- Stephen Pickering
business is design
- Steve Gillmor
HAHAHA great comeback Steve. On that note I think I'll have a beer. :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
Steve, OK, I'll keep the faith that maybe Scoble's idea that this could be a Facebook R&D could happen. That would be great!!!!
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, did you see the post about this being an opportunity for Google Reader? I think it was by Jorge Escobar.
- Bruce Lewis
no bruce, how so
- Steve Gillmor
Jeunelle, Robert went drinking :)
- Stephen Pickering
He was saying Reader has most of the features of FF, and this could be their chance to expand and fill the niche FF filled: http://friendfeed.com/social-...
- Bruce Lewis
disagree bruce GR has no explicit contract with users
- Steve Gillmor
Contract or contact?
- BRҰANSAҰS
Wave might be boosted, but has similar immaturity at the social graph level
- Steve Gillmor
I don't understand the part about the contract.
- Bruce Lewis
If Ning is 750m why FF is just 50m ?
- Johni Fisher
users consciously contribute metadata to FF
- Steve Gillmor
Do we want Google to buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave.
- Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features
- Stephen Pickering
You are testing us Scoble.
- Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe
- Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!!
- Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind?
- Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it?
- BRҰANSAҰS
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot
- Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
- Stephen Pickering
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team.
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil"
- Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe
- Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally.
- Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com?
- Ken Sheppardson
yes bruce take twitter for example
- Steve Gillmor
But Paul could end up being a great influence on Mark
- Stephen Pickering
not indefinitely Ken, but long enough to transfer enough value to avoid making twitter look like the good guys
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, will Google buy Twitter?
- Stephen Pickering
you're "VERY excited" about the deal, but plan to leave friendfeed? why, exactly? i don't get it...
- Shawn C. Reed
dunno, don't really care
- Steve Gillmor
ff was the important value, not twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark?
- Bruce Lewis
matthew who says they didn't
- Steve Gillmor
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2
- Stephen Pickering
ff has been running dev for a year
- Steve Gillmor
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out
- Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology
- Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump.
- Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet.
- Noah White
jumping is bullshit, no place to go
- Steve Gillmor
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area?
- Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing.
- Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat.
- Nick Humphries
the doctor is in the house
- Steve Gillmor
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time
- Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens.
- Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :)
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night.
- Jesse Stay
There's a house?
- Doc
Steve, is that Doc Searls?
- Stephen Pickering
of cards
- Steve Gillmor
hover over the name stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something.
- Bruce Lewis
Don't get so close.
- Doc
unfollow please sidney
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, Calacanis recommended your book to his audience on THis Week in Startups. Can't wait to read it!
- Stephen Pickering
I just left facebook a couple weeks ago - hope friendfeed doesn't devolve into quizzes and walled gardens
- Doug Holton
It's the Gillmor Gang in a perpendicular universe.
- Doc
yes it is
- Steve Gillmor
and about fucking time
- Steve Gillmor
Stephen, make sure it's the *new* 10th anniversary edition of Cluetrain. Both it and the old one are being sold. 8 extra chapters in the new.
- Doc
No doubt, Steve
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting
- Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
we never stopped stephen
- Steve Gillmor
Heheheheheheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
JFC, I was gonna go to bed, and here we are. Wherever this is. Do we all really live in Scoble's butt?
- Doc
Doc comes through with yet another metonym: the perpendicular universe (= FF).
- Nick in Manila
I would have had something out sooner but I've been driving a car all day. :-)
- Jesse Stay
no it's Marshall McLuhan's butt
- Steve Gillmor
Is this SRC?
- Doc
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin
- Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble?
- Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time
- Steve Gillmor
Social relay chat?
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
No who's on first
- Steve Gillmor
Scoble Relay Chat.
- Doc
the medium is the message
- Steve Gillmor
OK, OK, Steve. I admit, I listened to Dave Winer's chat this evening about it
- Stephen Pickering
yeah I read the liner notes instead
- Steve Gillmor
And the medium is the network?
- Stephen Pickering
Are we paying Scoble now? Are we his excreta and are those a form of currency?
- Doc
as richard manuel used to say the check's in yr mouth
- Steve Gillmor
Doc, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
- Stephen Pickering
I thought it was "the check is coming in your mouth." Just looking for accuracy here.
- Doc
no, doc it's a contraction of 2 of the 3 promises
- Steve Gillmor
I forget what the 3rd is
- Steve Gillmor
I'll love you in the morning?
- Doc
could be
- Steve Gillmor
Well, it's almost morning here. I'll tape this show and watch later. G'night or g'morning, all.
- Doc
Goodnight, Doc!
- Stephen Pickering
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended.
- Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying.
- Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning."
- Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement
- Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff.
- Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down
- Steve Gillmor
Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention.
- Sean Gallagher
Hell, they keep Orkut going. Storage and bandwidth keep getting cheaper. Might as well keep this going
- Stephen Pickering
Orkut! The favorite social network of 9 out of 10 Brazilians.
- Sean Gallagher
And 9 out 10 of the best looking women!
- Stephen Pickering
True.
- Sean Gallagher
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced
- Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them.
- Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB
- Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh.
- Sean Gallagher
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it.
- Logan Lindquist
What's the record number of comments?
- Stephen Pickering
Logan, I hope your right
- Stephen Pickering
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened.
- Sean Gallagher
Sean, you may even create a time machine!
- Stephen Pickering
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle.
- metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness
- Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here.
- Colide81 (James)
from iPhone
James, Touche
- Stephen Pickering
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you.
- Sean Gallagher
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see....
- Bryan Thatcher
from iPhone
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first.
- FFing Enigma
We'll never get to talk to Robert Scoble again. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
on to Google Wave.
- Jason Wilson
from BuddyFeed
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this
- Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend.
- Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff.
- Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one.
- Dennis Jernberg
I really want a Google Wave invite now..
- Peter
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow.
- Kol Tregaskes
Ditto what Kol just said.
- Tinfoil 2.0
ditto on the Google wave invite
- Kim
you hit the nail on the head there Kol
- Kim
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite.
- ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me.
- Dale
Joined Posterous. http://jbug.posterous.com Wouldn't mind a Google Wave invite, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Me too, Dennis. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I will wait and see.
- Matt G
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
I'll be sticking around just a little while longer.
- April Russo
I'm here for the duration
- Charlie Anzman
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving.
- Jesse Stay
If you want to be sure that I quit Friendfeed you have to see my burial. I will never quit while being alive! :-)
- Nicolai Butzki
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all.
- M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed*
- Iain Baker
Like I said before, I'm staying here until the end.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to...
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- SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer.
- Joe Silence
not leaving. NEVER hoho I haven't left FB nor friendser.
- Franc, a rememberer
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could...
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- travispuk
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time.
- travispuk
What becomes of the broken hearted?
- Joe Dawson
I'm staying on!
- Charles Lau
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed.
- Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore.
- Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account.
- Robert Scoble
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :(
- Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest...
- Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by.
- Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..!
- Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though
- metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here.
- amygeek
Facebook bought friendfeed http://adage.com/digital...
- Rob Johnson
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
- Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active.
- Jeremy Brooks
I will. No point sticking around when you know it is going to die sooner or later. With twitter you still have the hope....
- Davide D'Incau
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-)
- Torrid Luna
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta.
- Andy Ghozali
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com
- Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets.
- Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space.
- Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw....
- Rob Schieber
+100 Rob Schieber
- Tyson Key
I will stay. Facebook will not Win.
- TheHenry
Will wait and see what happens with FB
- Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches.
- seastarerrin
I'm here till the ship goes down.
- Lee Watters
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes.
- Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up.
- Alan Morris
I am leaving Web - Back to Telnet
- Dominique Rabeuf
Dominique, too late. The web already assimilated it with the telnet: url schema.
- Bruce Lewis
OK so only snmp/ssh
- Dominique Rabeuf
Hell no, not leaving. Best service on the web.
- Christopher Galtenberg
from iPhone
gonna ride this one out to shore.
- Sean Oliver
hu?
- Dries Grobler Jr
back to blogs :-)
- Mostafa Lameei
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have...
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- Daniel van Moll
Minitel 3815 (?)
- Dominique Rabeuf
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-(
- TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by...
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- Gail Gardner
This post was in response to facebook's purchase of friendfeed... Robert is asking who is leaving because of the purcahse
- Chris Heath
not because of the facebook purchase... he left a month ago or so... he comes back from time to time ... mostly because we're talking about him
- Chris Heath
FriendFeed accepts Facebook friend request - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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We've been acquired by Facebook! We are really excited about joining the Facebook team. (Note: FriendFeed will continue to operate - see the blog post for details)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Boom.
- Louis Gray
Grr!
- directeur
Woah...
- Brandon Titus
Uh. Well, that's the end of that.
- Akiva
Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
What does this mean for FriendFeed, Bret?
- Kol Tregaskes
Lame.
- Mark Trapp
great title bret. well played.
- MG Siegler
Congrat! So, what does this mean to your team and to FF in general?
- Dilip Dand
wahhhhhhhhhh
- Myrna
maaaan
- Jamie
wowow
- Harry Wolff
congrats
- brainno722 (Peter)
Nooooooooooooo
- Mushin
Wait... seriously?
- Ken Sheppardson
Congratulations to the friendfeed team. I know this is huge for y'all. Please don't let us spoil your parade as we weep.
- Ordinarybug Heather
Seriously?!? .....
- sebastian☆rocket brother
oh boy.
- Carlos Ayala
it was good while it lasted, Friendfeed. :(
- holly #ravingfangirl
"FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." Those are NOT encouraging things to read as a FF user.
- In Search of Gender
gratz
- Ali
My heart is sinking as I type this. Please tell me that it isn't a late April Fool's joke. :(
- Tyson Key
Big news! I second Kol & dilip's request for what this means for the team and FF's future.
- Brandon Titus
O_o
- Joe Silence
So it IS true.
- Hector
Nicely done Bret
- Jennifer Van Grove
Congratulations btw, guys!
- Kol Tregaskes
Sniff... not sure if I'm excited about this. But I have enormous respect for the FriendFeed team... so, I assume they believe in the move as more than an exit strategy.
- Michael Leggett
Congrats, Bret.
- Jordan Hofker
Congratulations, I suppose. A bit worried Facebook is going to ruin everything though. I'm not fond of Facebook, to say the least.
- Morgaine LeFaye
Um.
- Barry Mitchelson
Oh my... Hopefully FriendFeed won't vanish and good luck :)
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Do we call it FaceFeed? FriendBook?
- Tyson Key
Oh no....
- Ben Hanten
damn here it is... :(
- Edgar Rodríguez
*waits for wall-to-wall ads and constant spambots*
- Joe Silence
Die.
- team bonino
Congrats
- Zoltan Szendro
I dont want FF to end
- Fee501st
Wow
- Shevonne
Ostregheta.
- reloj
Congrats guys, in a bittersweet sort of way.
- Hutch Carpenter
Oh no!
- Erdinc YILMAZEL
I like Friendfeed and I do not like Facebook. Gratz to you guys though, I think.
- Mark Sorrell
"Oh shit..." came to mind immediately. :(
- Tyson Key
Scott, yep not encouraged by that comment. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Congrats on the deal, best wishes to the FF'ers in helping facebook get it together!
- Sean O'Connor
This could get exciting, especially concerning twitter :-P
- Malte Steckmeister
Congrats for Friendfeed team, but I'm seriously worried for us :(((((((((((
- Roberto
Congratulations... I'm sure this is pretty exciting for everyone at FriendFeed... We're all looking forward to where it takes you!
- Nathan Chase
Wow
- Rodfather
wow
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
*Sobs*
- Tyson Key
come on. Bret, facebook is so closed. so different from Friendfeed. besides that. Congrats to the team
- Edgar Rodríguez
machecazzo
- Sba (presunto tale)
VERY disappointed.
- Joe Silence
Booo. But, you know, congrats.
- Chris Nixon
OMG WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SH*T
- Alp
Congrats for u guys... probably too bad for us ;-(
- Laurent
God, I can see FB shutting down FF just like Six Apart shut down Pownce.
- DarknessFalls
arg.
- Aron Michalski
Good for you, don't know for all of us
- Cristian Conti
Congrats!
- Pixie
Coolest web 2.0 site I've ever seen & used. I hope things don't derail. Ads will be coming soon, which is fine, but.... then what 's next? Please no quizzes!
- Ben Hanten
Who would have thought that after Facebook were shamelessly being "inspired" by FriendFeed, the inevitable would have happened?
- Tyson Key
Congrats!
- Moushumi Kabir
Congrats guys. :)
- Meryn Stol
Congratulations. This is awesome for you and for Facebook.
- Mike Sego
mommy?
- Josh Haley
Hey guys, keep in mind that Facebook is blocked in workplaces across the nation. 250 million casual users commenting about last night's party does not intelligent conversation make.
- Hector
Tragic.
- Shannon
I really can't see how FB would buy FF only to shut it down. There are way too many innovations and features FF has that FB honestly needs. I'm looking forward.
- Harry Wolff
Congrats? Everybody who's saying Congrats doesn't know what he's saying. Go to hell.
- team bonino
Yeah, quizzes are EVIL!
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Oh, this does not make me happy. Not at all! I've stayed off of Facebook intentionally and FriendFeed is my favorite social network. This is like when the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. :>(
- Larry Hawes
i have stopped using FB for the most part and liked FF alot more. now FF will go the way of FB. screwed again.
- Joe Silence
Berge Gazen beat your score in Mafia Wars
- Berge Gazen
Feedface or Facefeed?
- Fee501st
FUCK THAT ! [Anyways good job guys ^^]
- TiTi
Enjoy your fat paychecks, guys. You've sold us out.
- Akiva
Bravo Bret! Been following your successes ever since we had the opportunity to work together on the YellowPages.ca / Google Maps Canada deal. Congrats!
- Sebastien
I wished it was Google or even Yahoo!, instead...
- Tyson Key
i really hope ff stays as it is. fb is kinder carder while ff is a great tool.
- jkkmobile
Not sure what to make of this. It could eiter be a big win or a huge fail.
- dorn
It could have been Microsoft, which would have been worse for everyone. :(
- Tyson Key
Can I take this opportunity to say I HATE facebook?
- Alex Scrivener
seems the only ppl happy here are the ones in the biz or who stand to profit from the merger.
- Joe Silence
I guess we should get ready to get poked by our supposed friends and have various shit thrown at us? Plus 5,000 requests by apps that nearly all suck.
- Joey Gibson
duh
- aybars badur
I HATE facebook
- Pedram
this is simply awful.
- Joe Silence
Painful. And apparently I completely misunderstood what FF was trying to accomplish both technically and as an organization. I guess Facebook must have dangled a pretty big bag of money in front of them.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! :/
- Tyson Key
Awesome. Please fix Facebook email :) http://fudge.org/too-muc...
- Jay Cuthrell
Facebook is going to acquire the web!
- l'Ego di Gigi
To me, FriendFeed is like Porsche and Facebook a Kia. I'm curious to see which will become which..
- Moushumi Kabir
Oh noes!
- Burcu Dogan
Congrats Bret!
- Robin Dindayal
I will reserve judgement, i don't like or use FB but if FF maintains it's current goodness i don't care who cuts the checks.
- SteVe C
I hope this doesn't turn into an APP filled hunk of crap. I love FriendFeed, it was the untouched gem of microblogging. I don't want Mafia Wars invited in my FriendFeed!!! Congrats on the sale though.
- Jay 'Farmington'
Where's the "dislike" option?
- Gregor Morrill
+1 Gregor
- Tyson Key
accipicchia che pessima notizia
- massimo mantellini
I just realized this is like when K-mart bought Sears ...
- DarknessFalls
/ponders the meaning of "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being."
- Philipp Lenssen
And I will officially be leaving FriendFeed today.
- Michael Forian
omg
- John Mueller
@Philipp: until the new masters start flexing their muscles and bringing in their own people to enforce their own vision.
- Joe Silence
OMG!
- Zac Bowling
big mistake :((
- emresezgin
Oh. Hell. No.
- CannonGod
Oh My God! They Killed FriendFeed!
- Tyson Key
It's a win/win! congrats all.
- Alan Le
Congrats to you.
- Evan Travers
Congratulations. I look forward to seeing what this new partnership means for users.
- Aren Grimshaw
FF will surely be integrated into FB at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
damn Ken is spot on! +1000 Ken!
- vijay
not good.
- Jacque
Oh. My. Gosh.
- Enrico L
Facebook obviously liked FriendFeed a long time ago. Why would they have copied so many features (feed item comments and the "Like" action, to name a couple) otherwise? It was only logical for this to happen eventually. Doesn't mean I like it, but acquisition is part of the game. I have the same feeling I did when SocialThing! was acquired by AOL, though.
- dgw
"Relationship Status: It's complicated" comes to mind. ;)
- Tyson Key
Wow, I finally sign up, and read this. This could end up being a very bad thing for FF fans: "Your FriendFeed friend just signed up on this poll, would you like to too?"
- Brian Bommarito
sad...
- Marvin
This will give FriedFeed the attention it deserves. Otherwise it would have been a geek thing forever.
- Michael Netsch
aw, this sux!! Congrats to the Friendfeed team though!
- acedanger
please don't merge logins!!! please
- earlyadopter
They are deceived when they suffer themselves to be drawn after the image of things, without seeking for the true reason of them.
- The Complex Days
I hope it works OK to you guys!
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
D:
- Chris Charabaruk
+1 Netsch - I still like FF more but this finally legitimizes FF to the mainstream.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Friend request una beata fava. Pecunia non olet.
- Federico Bolsoman
Yeah, I really can't wait to see what value the Ashton Kutchers and Oprahs of the world have to add to FriendFeed.
- Akiva
Please tell me this is a delayed April Fools' Day joke.
- Rochelle
Facebook & FriendFeed: don't cross the lifestreams! D:<
- CannonGod
I guess this means I'll have toget a facebook account after all.... Hope the API stays up and running....
- Roberto Bonini
"Were rich B!tch!" - Chappelle
- adolfo foronda
What a bunch of greedy assholes.
- team bonino
So ?
- Ercan Bülbül
Does this mean that we'll be seeing an influx of webcam spammers, a la Twitter? Along with abolishment of the rooms feature, crappification of the search feature, and more "privacy features" that really just put more nails in the openness coffin?
- Tyson Key
:(
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Some people will do whatever their friends request........
- Michael Muller
I really don't see why people would be anything but excited about this Facebook freindfeed deal. Great news as far as I am concerned. The Friend feed team is going to go over facebook and make it that much easier to connect, share... isn't that what the social web is about?
- Kevin Murray
I know a lot of people who use Facebook and enjoy it and that's fair enough. It's just not my cup of tea. The chaps from Friendfeed will get rich and the technology will get absorbed in Facebook but I can't see Friendfeed continuing in anything like it's present form.
- Paul Nash
Don't be so negative, something good might eventually come of this...
- Tarmo Aidantausta
Congrats! I know you all must be crazy excited right now.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
chance for FriendFeed to become more mainstream... congrats FriendFeed team!
- Jeroen De Miranda
Nothing could make me happier than if they integrated the good tools from FriendFeed into Facebook, which is where all my friends are. So a big "yay!" from me.
- Ian Betteridge
happy for you guys, but not for all of us
- Flavio
congratulations. this is going to be interesting.
- Dave Beckett
I think I preferred the non-mainstream version of FriendFeed...
- Tyson Key
I'm turning on my black shirt, my black trouser, my black socks, my black shoes. Although I probably must be happy for you.
- Ton Zijp
NASTY NASTY BAD BAD. But we'll see...
- Daniel Morgan
Game over.
- stark
Reminds me so much of Last.fm fall...
- Marcos
Facebook is like a giant who listens to nobody. Please keep your attitude but I don't think you will be able to do so.
- Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Noooooooo......
- Sung W. Lim
yeahhh
- Çağrı
NO
- Cristian Conti
I don't know, Like it? or dislike it?
- Ömer Balamir
What happens to all the content that we've created and imported here, and the associated metadata? Will all that disappear into the ether?
- Tyson Key
If the FriendFeed guys can make FaceBook useful and responsive again, this seems like a pretty positive step!
- Robin Barooah
I have big loss of data concerns. See http://ff.im/6pHjo Is there any way to archive all my FriendFeed posts, likes, comments, and pictures (friendfeed-media.com) off-line? Can some Archive.org-like snapshots of FriendFeed be made (Once a month starting Sept 2009)? I'd like to see the cross-links between my posts & other people's posts, even in 2020. -
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: the FriendFeed site is not shutting down. Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users.
- Bret Taylor
I just overheard a coworker mention FriendFeed. This is how the world ends...
- CannonGod
Then provide us with a way to easily make a back-up of all of our posts and all of the posts we have Liked and Commented on.
- Akiva
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want it to be handed off to Facebook.
- team bonino
Near term future?
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't see good things coming from this. Although I like Facebook, I liked Friendfeed more. Partly because of the environment and the smallness of it. That is now going to be ruined. So, 10-1 odds that Friendfeed will be no more within a year after it gets intergrated into Facebook?
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I doubt it Robin. Bret can only give us assurances about the "near future." Here's what I think will happen. Just like Twitter acquired Rael Dornfest and his awesome web services, Stikkit and I Want Sandy vanished (and so did he), Facebook will acquire all the talent from Friendfeed, shut this service down and Facebook will continue to suck.
- Jim #TeamMonique
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want anything to be handed off to Facebook. And I don't want to lose anything.
- team bonino
Congrats obviously, but im not sure about the feeling,, different user groups which can not integrate but collide.. hope there wont be an huge integration in the future.
- Yunus Tunak
I'm happy for FriendFeed! But, at the same time a bit worried about the future. Hope you guys convince FB to not be evil too.
- Vishal Verma
Let's hope this is like Disney's acquisition of Pixar - wherein the Pixar guys ended up in control of the animation studio...
- Robin Barooah
from IM
Where the f*ck is this option to undo ?
- Laurent
I seriously thought this was a joke. Looks like its not. I don't like it, sorry.
- Michael Lynton
Does anyone want to start a bounty to purchase Facebook? ;)
- Tyson Key
Congratulations!
- John Craft
can't be, shouldn't be...
- Kemal Y.
It is! Change is inevitable, my friends.
- Bill Sodeman
Jim, I'm less cynical than you - the FriendFeed founders wouldn't do this just in order to become 'talent' at FaceBook.
- Robin Barooah
I feel if I should be wearing a black arm band. But I guess when I think about it..............
- Kevin J Hatton
Oh No! I don't like this at all :(
- Peter
I still think Apple will acquire Facebook, Twitter Friendfeed and Google Twitter.
- Thomas Power
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
- Stephen le Francoeur
My condolences to all Friendfeeders! RIP!
- Evgeni Leshtanski
AAAAwwwful!
- carolh
I can't believe it! damn! facebook tos will apply to friendfeed too? should i start to move to another service? why anyone would think that facebook public is friendfeed public?! damn! friedfeed was my favorite! I can't understand this move! they want to kill friendfeed or what?
- paula simoes ☃
"I bet I can find 1.000.0000 people who dislike this deal."...Welcome to FriendBook.
- Jacque
Well, huge congraulations to you and your team, you deserve every success. To be honest I had presumed this would happen sooner or later - the only business model cool little startups have is to hope they get bought by someone bigger for their brains and technology. I'm going to be in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and was going to stop by your office to bring you a cake and thank you for a great product - maybe I still will if you're still there and there's still a FriendFeed!
- Alex Lomas
damn, damn, damn...
- Kemal Y.
Grats Bret and the rest of FF. To all the naysayers... Lets see what happens before we start bitching....
- Rasmus Lauridsen
wow!! dazed and confused!!
- Roberto Arancibia
I don't hate Facebook, but for sharing things Friendfeed is MUCH MUCH better!
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I wonder if that Ben Darnell guy who *just* left the Google reader team knew about this beforehand? Wonder what he's thinking now? (http://friendfeed.com/friendf...)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Just great. I'm certainly not very happy about this. Let's just hope FB doesn't ruin FF. Ugh.
- axolote
Who cares? Nothing's gonna change in our pitiful lifes.
- bluretina
This ties in nicely with the fact that you soon will have the opportunity to make your Facebook profiles public and get followers there.
- Michael Netsch
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- старина хэнк
Congrats Bret! this is so great! many congrats!!!
- Jason Pollock
Is it April 1st somewhere in the universe?
- Robert Felty
I don't mean to be negative but there's got to be a win-win logic to each merger&acquisiton. Audience high in only quantity is clearly not a win for friendfeed in the long term by considering its unique selling points. Let's wait and see who will benefit from friendfeed's death now.
- ayca
Seriously, what is this? It's like Bret just announced that he's killed all your mothers or something. It could turn out good, it could turn out bad, but at the end of the day, who cares, it's just a website (I mean honestly, come on). I could see it going either way, but in the near term, this is a pretty big win for the FF team, so congrats guys.
- Chieze Okoye
OMG!
- keso
To be honest, my heart sank a little but I am happy to congratulate you and the team for building such a good brand. Well done.
- Kevin J Hatton
Wow, I specifically use friendfeed b/c it is not facebook. Sounds great for the friendfeed team, but not necessarily for friendfeed users.
- Evan Parker
Born to be sold, like in the old "new economy" era. Remember the late nineties?
- Federico Bolsoman
Sudden desire to check out Strands again... but hey, kudos on the incoming $$ for FF team
- Leslie Poston
This is wisdom. Bracing for Google Wave is a good idea.............
- Kevin J Hatton
this is clearly a talent aquisition... why am i not excited about this? could it be because facebook has been blatantly stealing features from friendfeed shamelessly. Likes were clearly not an original facebook idea...realtime feeds is another i could go on...
- Tate
While I'm sad, because I suspect this means the best things about FF will disappear or I'll be forced to use FB in some way, if the buyout was for some awesome amount of money, I can't say I blame 'em for taking an offer -- I would.
- Andy Bakun
I came to FriendFeed because I don't like facebook. Now the question is, will facebook become more like friend feed? or will they just take friend feed and turn it into facebook?
- Tom Ray
FF could be a good R&D arm for facebook.
- Andy Bakun
Fucking morons. FriendFeed is doomed now. Think logically. Facebook has NO REASON to keep FriendFeed alive. It will simply take FF's best features, suck the life of out of it, then trash FF. Way to go, FirnedFeed, damn.
- Jeremy Buff
Big Fail!
- onurc
This announcement should have been held off until the plans for Friendfeed were known. Regardless, this is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone.
- tollie williams
wtf ?!
- Umut Balkan
I need to install "super PUKE" application !
- Bart LePoole
FFail.
- rowlikeagirl
I don't want my FF feed on Facebook :( I use both, but maintain both profiles separate
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Sigh... Happy for the team if this is what they want, but baffled by the move. The users that are going to leave because of this will make FF a graveyard and the users it gains, well... Hello spam? Sorry, but I don't like it.
- Vince DeGeorge
from iPhone
JEREMY+++++1
- AlpB.
Wow!
- felix
Jeremy +1
- batuhan
so what's next? where should we go?
- Flavio
It's been fun here.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Dang, and just as I was starting to get used to how FF works. FF is useful on it's own. I hope this only improves FF's system, rather than having it disappear into Facebook's wake.
- Don Faulkner
furthermore they are 2 different things: I follow a lot of people here that are not in my facebook list, which is for IRL friends!
- Flavio
I don't know where to go next either. I had just settled down to make imaginary friends for all my non-FF tweeps, etc. now, I'm not sure if I should bother.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I hope friendfeed continues to operate normally but it does not look good.
- Ashish
integrate best features of ff to fb, then try to innovate in fb if possible, then kill ff... that's it, cheers, all the best. grrrr...
- Kemal Y.
niczak has good points. FF & FB aren't exactly competitors, but they aren't orthogonal either. Let's hope FB's smart enough to see the difference and improve both platforms.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Nicholas: The upside for Facebook is they just bought an engineering team that's built many of the feature's Facebook's going to need to stay competitive. The upside for FriendFeed's engineering team is $$$ and the ability to build system for a wider audience. FriendFeed's user base is small enough that it'll either get absorbed into Facebook or move on, and FF will become a footnote on the Internet timeline.
- Ken Sheppardson
first tr.im (heard about it yesterday), now this. I wasn't a heavy tr.im user (yet), but sad to see it go, even if I think url shortening is silly.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
As FB said they're interested in the people and not in the site, what if the community will keep running FF without its current staff?
- Flavio
Congratulations!
- Sam Grover
rutgerblom, I don't expect they do either, thus my angst over this.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
if there's a team willing to do it and money, and if we accept some ads as everywhere else, we could make a new FF without FB
- Flavio
read carefully: http://blog.socialthing.com/2009...
- Kemal Y.
I'll have to go with Flavio's position too. Given this news (plus tr.im and who knows who's next), I'd tend to favor community supported or federated services for things like this in the future.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
I am purposely not on facebook because I don't really want to talk to people I have not talked to in 20 years.
- Andy Bakun
Congrat Bret!! :))
- Cihan Cepni
trouble is (from my perspective), that the philosophies of the two platforms are at odds. FB wants to bring people to the site and keep them there, while FF is a hub, bringing people in and then sending them back out. (That's part of why it's hard for the newcomer to understand, IMHO.)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
This almost confirms FF will disappear: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Kol Tregaskes
Does this mean I can throw someone a sheep on FriendFeed now?
- Pinksy
I sure hope so, Rutger. I glad for their success too. I just hope there's a next best thing out there for us.
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Congrats all. Nice work, in spite of any naysaying out there. Keep up the innovation.
- Tomas Remotigue
lame.
- andy brudtkuhl
post the picture to failblog...
- Kemal Y.
Quote «Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.¶ But Facebook is...
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- Philipp Lenssen
+1 Kol for the techcrunch article!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
techcrunch: "Cox agreed, noting that Facebook is focused on being a platform and a service, and not just a destination site." I certainly hope so!
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Brilliant move by both Facebook and friendfeed. Congratulations!!! I have theories of what they have planned, but I doubt you would verify any of them. This is going to go so well with their SocialTV which they have been developing. I'm so happy for you!
- Michael Fidler
Really saddened by this news.
- Doug Beeferman
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
- Zulkarnain K.
I don't see what's so bad about it since no one knows right now what the outcome will be, everyone is just making assumptions that could possibly be wrong..... Might help just sitting back and seeing what happens first before complaining.
- ChaCha Fance
Nooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghh! I´ve resisted getting a facebook acct for so long...
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
I wonder how the discussion over on facebook would compare to this?
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Drat!
- Gee Ekachai
Congrats, FF! I'm approaching the situation with cautious optimism. A lot of my friends only share stuff via the Facebook wall/feed, so if Facebook is able to make their feed more like the FF feed (i.e. good, instead of sucktacular) through this acquisition, it's mostly a win for me in the end.
- Brian Chang
/me pokes Rutger. (just getting in practice. ;)
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Where will we go for the FFunderCats, bacon memes, and angry artists fighting over photo reshares now? ;)
- Tyson Key
@josh: do you think FB will throw away all the crap people use? various quiz, pick 5 and so on?
- Flavio
@jc: our data will not go away in the near future. what will be in few months? in a year?
- Flavio
Let's see if you can do a bit better than just not being evil this time around.
- Tim Tyler
Wooohooo!!, seems like we are being sent back to "good" old Facebook. Congrats Bret!!
- DanDan
Looks like I'm going to repeat the same thing many others did. My first reaction was "Oh my..." I have refused to join Facebook due to its philosophy while I have been with FriendFeed from the beginning for its. I'm sad and somewhat apprehensive.
- Sean Leather
Hmm. Interesting.
- Ralf Becker
Add me to the fearful group.
- beersage
Please say that facebook.com will be shutting down, and the combined company will still be called FriendFeed... I bet it won't happen, though.
- Tyson Key
"Regarding FB/FF - Here's how it's [probably] going to work. You will most likely have an account merge, all of the services FriendFeed supports will now be aggregated on Facebook, and all of your FriendFeed friends will be in a "list" on Facebook. The FF Groups will become Facebook Groups. The FF lists will become Facebook Lists." http://ff.im/6pNxq
- Ozgur Uckan
Nothing like an early retirement payout :)
- Owen Greaves
Congrat Bret
- Nimaa
Panic attack. Congratulations, however! :)
- Count Caturday
Congratulations Bret. For me this merger makes a lot of sense. Facebook will provide the "quantity" of users, which friendfeed deserves :).
- Karthick R
:(
- goodmachine
FriendFeed + Facebook... Oh noes FriendFace is coming (http://www.youtube.com/watch...)! Now sorry for that link, and seriously, thanks for your work, guys. Please don't let the spirit of FriendFeed to be blown away =)
- Anton
hey, that is great guys! interested to see how you integrate.
- Brian Walsh
Mind blown. Never expected this. I'm also disappointed, yet optimistic at the same time.
- Angus Burton
Kinda curious to see how this will all pan out...although i wouldnt want the friendfeed stuff just integrated into facebook. I feel like im among a group of people who i genuinely share interests with here...dont want to lost that.
- Cass
Best case: Facebook will continue to support and develop FriendFeed. Worst case: this is great news for Amplifeeder.
- David Gaw
aieeeeeeeeeee
- Richard Akerman
Well done, well deserved, I hope FB's means and infrastructures empower your guys to even better things. But if quizzes appear in "my" friendfeed, evil things will haunt you and your descendents for 3 generations.
- Iphigenie
:(
- Eph Zero
Well done Bret!
- Alemsah Ozturk
♪ ♪ This is the end.... beautiful friends ♪ ♪
- All for design
Well, I don't see the point of sticking around here if I have accounts in both and this is going to get swallowed whole into Facebook anyways. Put simply, goodbye.
- Micah Collard
It was fun while it lasted.
- Mr. Gunn
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This place will be just like twitter...
- count
Congrats to the FF team - you've built a wonderful product!
- Michael Nielsen
Whattttttttttttttttttttt???
- Nibi
friendfeed is a beautiful product, only god knows what facebrook will do to it. Hopefully the ability to upload files (such as mp3s) will not be removed. Zuck is a tool.
- Nibi
Congratulations. I'm sorry to say that I don't plan to move with you.
- Lars Juhl Jensen
I don't like this....
- Zekeriya Pehlivan
"Like" to follow this thread. Not because I like what happened. I'm horrified. FF could disappear now.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Same here, Kamilah.
- Tyson Key
If FriendFeed had invented the "don't like" button, today would have been the day to press it.
- Vishal Verma
and I just bought BuddyFeed for my iPhone this weekend. :(
- Don Faulkner
from IM
Oh, joy, Facebook's privacy policy is upon us!
- Joris
WTF?? NOOOOO!!! Why do such good things have to be ruined by greed? Screw Facebook, and goodbye Friendfeed.
- Jason R. Hunter
congratulations!
- Loic Le Meur
Facebook is lucky to have such a talented group of people ... Congratulations FriendFeed!
- Rob Kurrus
doesn't look like a bad joke, better be for the good then, but... Well congrats anyway guys, you did something AWESOME now let's see where Mark takes it
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's too bad. Liked the openness if FriendFeed, and the lack crap that is on Facebook. Once FriendFeed dies, it will be Twitter only.
- Mike D.
Congrats, but concerned that FriendFeed and its tools may disappear. Merging the tools with Facebook seems impossible.
- Mike Reynolds
Congrats guys (and gals) !
- Benjy Weinberger
So, what does the acquisition of FriendFeed by Facebook mean to us, users of both websites: Can I make a friend request from FriendFeed, and be approved for both, on one click
- Reyna Carlos
Exciting news guys. I am actually looking forward to your collaboration with / work for FB. No matter what people may or may not like about FB, it does succeed in reaching a more "diverse" audience compared to most other Web 2.0/social web companies. Paired with your team's excellence in realizing features that succeed in pleasing the geekiest of Web 2.0 affine individuals, I think you are steering towards exciting waters :)
- Mustafa K. Isik
*heart sinks* actually a bit of shock - I think that Facebook will leave Friendfeed as-is but I don't think there is hope for future innovation in Friendfeed since their best superstar team members will be pulled onto 'more important' Facebook issues...
- Pon
:-) + :-( very happy for the team, huge achievement, hoping to see export of innovation but not a shut down of this unique community and location
- Majento
Congratulations, and best wishes for your future together! :-)
- Ruchira S. Datta
Wow, I was beginning to use Friendfeed as my defacto social site...Facebook is more for real life friends. They'll just take what makes Friendfeed great, add it to Facebook and slowly kill this site.
- Manuel Mas
What is the big deal? I think it'll make FF bigger and better. You should be happy about that!
- orionstarr
Somebody has to got pay for it.
- orionstarr
I am disappointed. I don't want to have to go to Facebook to do what i do here. I can not imagine they will port over all the features we enjoy here. We lose a lot for only a slight benefit to Facebook.
- Robert
It could be worse, myspace could've bought them lol...
- orionstarr
Awful news for users but congratulations to you guys. Ideally, FB will run FF as a distinct service but I'm not hopeful. I don't want the diversity and noise that facebook brings - people doing quizzes on which movie star they resemble and playing silly games. I also wanted to keep my day to day social activity distinct from the targeted information and discussion I use FF for.
- Rajit
Only just started taking a serious look at FF after hearing acquisition by FB. Sounds like I'm laggard rather than a leader in use of web 2.0
- ManojRanaweera
I think how Pon said it is what I'm feeling: *heart sinks*.
- Andy Bakun
Congratulations, i am really happy for you guys!! :)
- Mona Nomura
I'm not a Facebook fan, but can't begrudge the FF gang their chance to reap the rewards for all their hard work. However, it would be a shame if FB ruins the good thing we all have going here.
- ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
Congrats to the FF team... I hope the service doesn't disappear into a fold of light and heat.
- Brandon
if all the things that make FF great are brought to FB then I'll be happy to use it
- Mike Chelen
The community won't be there. Been on FB longer than any other, don't have nearly the relationship or sense of community there that I do here or on Twitter.
- Karoli
Karoli: that is due to the effectiveness of the FF platform and interface, which help to join conversations and find interesting people more so than FB does
- Mike Chelen
Mike: I suspect that FB wants FF for the search possibilities, not the community-building aspects. But we'll see.
- Karoli
i guess congrats are in order, but I'm going to now go and remove everything I have that feeds into FF, and I have to ask -- do I have any rights over my archive? I have a private feed, and I have no interest in offering up my lifestream to the FaceBook data-miners. I hope the FF folks get what they hope for out of the deal, but my FriendFeed experience has been effectively killed.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I just learned about the FF acquisition by Facebook - WOW~! Congratulations Bret, Paul and FF team!! holy cow ........Mooooooooo! Where's the FF Acquisition Party? :)
- Susan Beebe
Friendfeed after Facebook http://ff.im/6q5EY
- Ozgur Uckan
RT @alirizaesin FriendFeed, R.I.P. Home tweet home!..
- Ozgur Uckan
Congrats to facebook. Now, Twitter is the best.
- miocaro
Congratulations to the FriendFeed guys on the Facebook Acquisition. Not a big fan of Facebook, so I hope my favorite Uber Aggregator, Realtime Social, Microblogging site of awesomeness is not entirely absorbed into the Facebook infrastructure. I wait with baited breath to hear what "normally for the time being" means ;).
- Tom Horn
Can I now have comments propagate in both directions as far as Facebook/Friendfeed is concerned?
- Piaw Na
*checks date*. Damn .. not April 1st, must be for real. While I'm happy for the FF team, since I guess this is what they wanted (congrats guys!), I can't help but think this is the beginning of the end for a great service and a vibrant community. There are reasons I don't spend any time on Facebook and do spend lots of time on FF, and some kind of "FF integrated into Facebook" just won't cut it. I hope this service will live on for at least a few more years.
- Andrew Perry
Gratz to the FF team but as a user I'm not completely happy. In short, I like the FF team/product much more than I like the FB team/product. Best of luck to all.
- timepilot
Все, блядь, пиздец!
- ЕП
WOW - very happy for all of you :-)
- Kishore Balakrishnan
Bret, congrats on the acquisition. You guys put in a lot of hard work to create this community. I just hope you learned the mistakes Pownce made, Jaiku etc, and ensured that you didn't sell out your community, but that you helped it evolve into something as great as this into something better. Good luck in future endeavors!
- Mike Lewis
Yay for you guys, I mean that seriously, I 'like' what this means for you personally, but -1000000 cool points for doing it with FB. Sad day.
- Threepwood
Karoli: FF search is so useful because it is integrated with all the other great features that help to find relevant content. if FB wants to have a similar capability, they must also develop the underlying architecture.
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Sadness
- yasin
Gimme my OPML export
- Sriks7
Money is the root of all evil
- Shakeel Mahate
shakeel, the reasons for friendfeed to join facebook are probably about other things besides money, since many of the FF staff left high-paying jobs to join in the first place
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Congrats, team! It's bittersweet, though.
- Anne Bouey
So now we will have FriendFeed blocked at work too. Darn.
- Mark Scrimshire
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future" is not exactly inspiring for the long term for those of us who came here to escape Facebook for a) it's walled garden and b) privacy concerns. Nice for the Founders to make a pile of cash but for the many of us, it feels like we got sold down the river. Sad.
- Sally Church
cacarr: updates for FB have progressed rapidly in the past, count how many months since new features such as api calls and site redesigns have have been implemented
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Congratulation to the FF team! You guys deserves this. I just hope that Facebook does not change the directions of FF.
- Vinko
congrats, I'm happy for friendfeed...
- amelia arapoff
Congrats you guys, well deserved.
- Shey
I hope this means better integration: liking here will auto-like on fb and such :D if that's the case, I won't mind the ads *wink* *wink*
- Franc, a rememberer
Franc, cant stand facebook ads in their current format, hope they will be fixed eventually :P
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Grats, dont spend it all in one place.....
- Robert Higgins
congrads. I think it will be good for BOTH companies.
- Logan Lindquist
boo.
- kelly
The Borg has struck. Alas. Prepare to be assimilated. (Will FB add my FF subscriptions to my FB friends list?)
- Dennis Jernberg
Boo
- Amit Morson
Now that you guys have $$$ you should swap out the not so very pleasing default avatar!
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
BOO! Hiss! Mondays really do suck.
- Dale
Congratulations to all the FriendFeed team. I hope you'll be able to keep the FriendFeed spirit up at Facebook. Kudos for all the great work you've been doing.
- Paul Papadimitriou
Congrats and good luck..
- Can Koklu
Thanks for all the fish. Saving the so long... for now.
- abacab
Goodbye FF, it was wonderful..
- Francesco Cugurra
I use FriendFeed and Facebook so it would be awesome to see FF features in Facebook. Congratulations!
- krzychukula
from IM
judging by the nearly 600 comments as i type this, including my own earlier one, FF could use a Don't Like button as well. or would, if we were going to be using it much longer.
- kelly
Nice, i like to wish you all the best for your new job (and it's really hard, i know). I'm happy, but... don't let die FF!!
- fabio
Hope FriendFeed remains open. Love the spirit of FF
- Bernaldo Barrena
Seriously, what a coincidence! Just on Saturday I claimed to be both twitter- and facebook-free. I loved FF product and personally helped to bring at least a dozen of my friends into the community. I'll stick around for a while though.
- ЕП
This deal makes sense, now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! Congrats facebook and ff!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I suppose Facebook had to do it, with Twitter and Google Wave as competitor...
- Alexander Kruel
обычные дела. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- ЕП
Congratulations Friendfeed :D
- paniaguai
Ok. I'll quit friendfeed, so. Goodbye. Ciao
- valerio fiandra
from iPhone
I am noticing a lot of people going to re-esumate their lifestream.fm account now!
- Flavio
I don't think FB acquiring FF is bad. But I don't think it's good either. We'll see. :-) In the meantime, keep up the good work!
- Alexander Gieg
How long until ex-FriendFeed employees start jumping ship from Facebook? I wonder...
- Tyson Key
Thomas Power still believes that Facebook/FF/Linkedin (2010) will be acquired by Apple (2011) and this is a transitional acquisition in the SN market cycle. The world is shifting to Mac, iTunes, iPhones and FB own the next generation. Apple have $29bn of cash on deposit price is not an issue. Google must jump for twitter while MS fiddle in the sticks with Yahoo. BillG will be back at the MS helm 2012.
- Penny Power
:( Happy for FF people, sad for the service. Was going to move from fb to ff this week..
- Martynas
congrats!
- Ronald
thts good!so i can workin both in my Fb online next
- Arini dewi muchtaram
Flavio: never heard of lifestream.fm before, but I'm going to go check it out. I'll reiterate, though, that I'm now shy of any service like this, since it can disappear just as it's getting good. I heard about sweetcron.com last night (via http://ff.im/6pR2w). Maybe it's time to move from centralized to distributed again.
- Don Faulkner
Just finished setting up my lifestream.fm at http://lifestream.fm/dfaulkner. Lifestream does what it says, and no more. FF's search blows lifestream away. FF is more flexible about adding source feeds, but lifestream does fine without the flexibility I suppose. FF still wins, or would, if I thought it would be sticking around. :P
- Don Faulkner
good for you, bad for us
- Zachary Earl Strader
I also hate facebook, not because of their silly quizzes and pokes, but because I suspect they would like to maintain massive user base as the determining factor in choosing a social network. I would love to switch to orkut as I use so many other google services, but I can't because nobody else does. That should not be my criteria.... I thought friendfeed would try to make social networks work together.
- Ru Viljoen
I don't understand why everyone is so negative about the situation?
- orionstarr
@orionstarr - it's like Starbucks buying your neighborhood coffee shop and saying it still cares about the customers. You know it's just not going to be the same as what you've come to love.
- Robin Barooah
Presumably FF will go on the back burner - and the team will try and "fix" Facebook.
- Tim Tyler
sad, sad, sad.
- scott willeke
Congratulations! That's huge. I hope all is well.
- Juan Bruce
bad bad bad
- kakilang
bye bye friendfeed!
- Jonathan Crossland
Why-eee!!! ??? What next?
- Wayne Lewis
I've watched Facebook morph from a relatively organised and well implemented social networking tool into the hulking mess it is now - and I really, really hope that a similar thing doesn't happen here with the inevitable changes this will bring about.
- Leslie Moore
Come on guys, out with the long-term game plan, this is tedious.
- Andrew Eglinton
NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, I mean Cool.
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Teach Facebook how to be FriendFeed. Let the small but fast teach the big but slow. Don't forget what Paul says - don’t be evil.
- whatidiscover
Friendfeed is not as huge as Facebook but you're doing such terrible work on it. Friendfeed is facing so many many problems these days though facebook doesn't seem to have one. Why?
- Gone One
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- حُسین آفلاین
Never commented on this post. 2.5 years later, from a purely selfish persepective, the best thing that ever happened. It allowed me to drop out of the "Which social network is best", Scobilian crap and get down to the main reason I'm here... to communicate with my friends and share experiences.
- Johnny
Funny. Two years later to the day, Rochelle took me to court to sign our temporary divorce papers. The day after my birthday in both cases. Huzzah!
- Akiva
There's nothing new under the sun.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
List your FriendFeed alternative here:
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*blink...blink*
- Josh Haley
Google Reader
- andy brudtkuhl
Facebook LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Akiva
There is none.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chi.mp http://chi.mp
- AJ Batac
SocialMedian and Strands
- Anika
Bonfires
- Rodfather
There's an alternative? That's the problem...today's announcement threatens something that most of us have found to be without equal.
- In Search of Gender
Facebook and twitter. But they don't add up to what Friendfeed is.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
There really isn't one. Maybe Google in a year or so. Google account with Voice, Wave, Reader, GTalk better integrated.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Likaholix http://likaholix.com
- AJ Batac
Google Reader and Facebook have been absorbing Friendfeed features slowly but steadily all along. In 15 years someone will dig up some old screenshots and say "remember all those? heh, yah, things sure have changed, huh?"
- Jason Wehmhoener
I dunno. Tumblr, maybe? Metafilter? Chi.mp? Likaholix? *shrugs*
- Steven Perez
Like Scott said, that's the problem. There *is* no good alternative. FF has been the closest thing I've ever found for using the internet the way I want to.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
LifeStream.fm http://lifestream.fm
- AJ Batac
Google, as it continues to socialize its environment. Also, don't forget about the next big thing we haven't seen or thought about yet. Someone will innovate another service that blows everything else away (like FriendFeed does now).
- Larry Hawes
Posterous + Twitter????
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
I may just have to try something desperate... like real-life interaction. I know! It's such a desperate move! :'(
- Ordinarybug Heather
Blellow?
- andy brudtkuhl
Good idea.....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Google Wave, right?
- Nathan Chase
NoseRub
- Ken Sheppardson
<Placeholder>
- Bwana ☠
Besides Google Wave, I don't think anything anyone is naming would be even close to the same.
- Rahsheen?
FaceFeed?
- Kevin J Hatton
FriendBook?
- Kevin J Hatton
What Nate said...Google Wave.....it is coming!!!!!!
- Kevin J Hatton
SweetCron http://sweetcron.com
- AJ Batac
ICQ
- Jacque
Good shout, Nathan! Yes Google Wave.
- Kol Tregaskes
Jaiku - It can import feeds. It has threaded conversations.
- Morton Fox
Redux.com? Mostly for entertainment though
- Wang Yip
jaiku is the closest thing - feed import, rooms, conversations etc... - don't see how wave can work like friendfeed without a lot of add-ons / hacking
- Adrian
jaiku's been neglected by google. I've been a member for 2 years and yes, nothing has changed.
- AJ Batac
the closest thing to FF that I know about is the blogoscoped Forums !!
- Peter Dawson
jeffisageek.net and jeffisageek on twitter
- (jeff)isageek
When did Noah build the ark? Before the rain, not after it.
- Steven Perez
Twitter, but it's not nearly as cool as FF. :(
- Kevin Winn
Drum circle
- Rodfather
Friendface http://bit.ly/1LWw
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Useful list:)
- Ozgur Uckan
I've decided to taste some soup.
- Kenton
Bowling league
- Rodfather
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE there is NO freakin' replacement for FriendFeed. *cries*
- Susan Beebe
WoW
- Rodfather
Posterous
- Zulkarnain K.
is Iminta.com still around?
- Nathan Rein
Google Reader
- Mike Reynolds
I think I'll go with AJ's choice above, the closest thing I know to FF is Lifestream.fm but didn't like it the last time I was on it.
- Kol Tregaskes
I didn't even know Jaiku was still a going concern.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
I've had an account with lifestream.fm for ages but I have not been there for about a year, time to go and have a look then
- M F
google Wave
- Furkan Tunalı
For you guys who says Google Wave, it's not yet available to the public so we can't use it.
- AJ Batac
Lifestream.fm Looks really similar in terms of features, like Kol and AJ said.
- Anton
checked out lifestream... seems alright, I suppose... but not really the same. just what I"m doing. doesn't seem to be very "conversation" based.
- Nathalie
I don't have one. :(
- Christian (Simply X)
from Android
I just found this one from Mark -> http://lifestreamblog.com/create
- AJ Batac
Storytlr is another place to feed in all your different places. People can comment and things, but, how to see all your friends? I think you can add it to GReader. Here's mine: http://yolanda.storytlr.com/
- Yolanda
storytlr is a good one.
- Nathan Rein
AJ: Google open-sourced Jaiku ... they really don't do anything besides host the code now.
- Kevin Mohr
Kevin: Even when it wasn't open-sourced, it wasn't updated.
- AJ Batac
Friendster. And perhaps GooglyfaceFeed? :P
- imabonehead
Unfortunately Jaiku hasn't gotten back the capability for importing feeds. And even in its best days its feed handling wasn't as good as FriendFeed's basic feed handling. This admission is saying something, since I've been such a Jaiku evangelist, until its problems got too big and destroyed the community there. I actually was kind of pissed off at FriendFeed when I first learned about...
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- Cheryl Jones
Considering rolling my own. PubSubHubbub is merely infrastructure; Wave isn't ready; Google Reader is more like digg/reddit, needs more ability to host its own content in addition to discussion; posterous and tumblr are really blogs, and are still kind of isolating; The real problem would be getting people to use a federated, distributed setup: there's a usability and consistency aspect to a having a single destination website where people can congreate; that, and I'm kind of lacking time.
- Andy Bakun
+1 Andy. FriendFeed is a very unique amalgam of features, that once you come to appreciate them, are glaringly lacking on most other social platforms. Agreed that distributed would be a good idea to avoid the cost and control issues we have seen play out yesterday. Who knows, maybe Zuckerberg will surprise us all by making FF (by whatever name) an open building block in the FB ecosystem...
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- Alex Schleber
Here is a new development to possibly add to the list: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Alex Schleber
Facebook, Twitter, Google Reader and Digg
- Joe Dawson
http://enjoy.sthin.gs or whatever its name is written? I'll try it out, just signed up
- Franc, a rememberer
NoseRub, see Identoo: https://identoo.com/koltreg...
- Kol Tregaskes
Founder of del.icio.us regrets selling to Yahoo - http://news.ycombinator.com/item...
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Well, that's a disturbingly appropriate article for today
- Glenn Slaven
From the post "I wish I had not sold it to them. The cash and freedom do not even come close; I would rather work on a big, popular product."
- Glenn Slaven
continuing to be saddened about FriendFeed selling out to Facebook. Oh, FriendFeed, we hardly knew you. #deadpool
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Yeah, I'm trying to see the good from this but ain't having any luck.
- Dale
Posting "please hire me" on your MySpace page is the equivalent of sticking a "please eat me" sign in a pile of dung.
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Please hire me. There, is that better?
- Dale
Live now: Security Now 208 with Steve Gibson, our last episode of year four! http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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The useless bits are the best :-)
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Off-topic banter is always wecome.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
http://www.scifi-az.com/ for the Gibraltar sci-fi series by Michael McCollum
- Leo Laporte
Question [ 01 ] – Brian Mooney in Springdale, AR brings news of new SSL woes... Steve, It looks like they've found another method to workaround SSL. This one isn't based on faults in the encryption, but on faults in how browsers handle null characters. The only "safe" browser is Firefox 3.5, so far. http://www.macworld.com/article... ----AND---- “Frylock” in New...
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 02 ] - Andrew H in Texas says [Microsoft] "Security Essentials not free for all"... Hey guys, Sorry to be the bearer of bad news: Microsoft's Security Essentials is not free for commercial users. Check out the web site of the beta: http://www.microsoft.com/securit... It says "for your home PC." Furthermore, it won't even run on Windows Server....
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- Leo Laporte
Question [ 03 ] - Phil in Los Angeles wonders about Cellular Broadband Security: Steve, I've recently started tethering my G1 phone to my laptop to get internet when I'm not near a wireless connection. I was wondering what the security implications were for doing this. By tethering (or using one of those $60 per month wireless cards that essentially do the same thing), is the connection...
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- Leo Laporte
I can sort of see why the commercial stuff wouldn't be free. It's a way for them to make money on the product without charging the home users crazy prices.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
[ 04 ] - John Jones in Wirral, UK is seeing RED in Firefox... Hi Steve, After having problems with some sites that I need to visit responding very sluggishly, I finally complained to the admin of one of those sites. He replied that as I was using IE7 for a browser that this could be why, he said that his site was not meant to be used by such an old browser. Whilst I baulked at the...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 05 ] - Ryan in New York has two questions and a comment... Hey Steve, I have two questions for you: You have talked a lot about wireless encryption on your show, and because of it I have always stayed on top of the latest wireless security measures for my home router. Recently I bought a new router to upgrade to Wireless 802.11n. After hooking the router up and making sure I can get...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 06 ] - Kevin Ghadyani in Overland Park, KS says "Thanks for reading the HTTP W3C errors" Thank you so much for reading my question. I've been listening in since 2005 back when I was in college and was extremely surprised to hear my question read on air. Thanks for discussing it. I will cover GRC on BadMarkup.com, but also explain your reasoning. Fortunately for me, you have...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 07 ] - David Johnston in Sydney Australia says... Thank you for talking about W3C validators! Dear Steve, Thank you for bringing up the topic of W3C validators. Although I am an idealist, and wished that every browser and site used compliant code, this just isn't the world we live in. I too have been hand-coding sites for many years and pride myself on having sites that work on a very...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 08 ] - Kendall Bailey in Des Moines, IA uses "Buy.com" with caution... With regard to the buy.com and "Web Loyalty" scams... I've used buy.com exclusively with Google Checkout. Never had any problem or coupon offers. Thanks for mentioning the issue. I'll be sure to watch out. I use a Discover card secure online account number with Google Checkout. Basically it's a single-vendor...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 09 ] - Matt Ridley in Appleton, WI wonders whether we're applying a double-standard? Love the podcasts since I have found them around 150 or so, it is nice to help me keep up to date. However, I think I am missing something after listening to the massive security update (SN:206)... you and Leo commented on the end of the show that you do not understand why we cannot be proactive and...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 10 ] - Justin Lowmaster in Oregon writes about his "Fandango" experience... I ordered some Fandango tickets before (and likely never again now) and had one of those 'coupon' offers pop up. I think there was an incentive, a "free" (huge quotation marks) movie ticket. I looked all over the page and found nothing mentioning a charge or a fee. I signed up and did get a free ticket code,...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 11 ] - Dan in Walpole, Massachusetts reports that "his parents' computer got trojaned again"... Dear Steve, My parents' computer has gotten infected by a Trojan twice in the last six months. The first time they got Antivirus 2009. I had them back up their data and restore from Dell's hidden restore partition. I'm not sure how they got “owned” this time. They suddenly got popups from...
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- Leo Laporte
[ 12 ] - David Stephens in Bloomington, IN wonders whether a VPN can transport a Virus? Hi Steve, I've been listening since Episode 1 of Security Now. I've learned so much from you and Leo. I can't begin to thank you both enough for helping me learn so much about protecting myself and my friends & family online. Here's my question: I was talking with my boss today and we were wondering...
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- Leo Laporte
Dave Schuh in Maple Grove Minnesota wrote: “Subject: Vitamin D - a great tangent” I've listened since the beginning and hope you never stop doing the show. Also a SpinRite owner. I was very pleased to hear your take on Vitamin D, having been in the science field and following it for many years. I'm a white male about your age, and am also starting to track my blood level, specifically...
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- Leo Laporte
Congrats on four years! Wow, time really goes by so quickly.
- Jennifer Ruggiero
Congratulations on 4 years... most of SN goes over my head but I catch every few words... for people insisting on simple passwords for their various accounts, question [ 05 ], what about using a Yubikey for storing a random string (as per Leo's suggest of one robust password for all accounts) and then you make a simple modification per account so there is still a "something you know" aspect to the password.
- Jason Muirhead
FFFFOUND! - http://ffffound.com/image...
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I keep wanting them to be in Jayne hats.
- Spidra Webster
OMG! I so want to colour adjust these!
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Can someone make them into Jayne hats? Please?!? I don't have any software to do it with!
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
To paraphrase a web series: I suck at Photoshop.
- Spidra Webster
Life support must be out, it's cold on the bridge.
- Andy Bakun
This is still so awesome, I can't describe it.
- Evan Travers
Patrick Stewart's expression makes it über-awesome.
- Spidra Webster
Windows Live Mesh to be renamed Windows Live Devices - http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6683
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Ick
- Cliff Gerrish
from iPhone
Microsoft's marketing department seems schizophrenic sometimes.
- mikepk
Boring name, great service..free too.
- Dale
I like(d) Mesh too. Windows Live Devices is boring, although descriptive.Another oddly named MS product I was noticing today is the new Natal control for the 360.
- Dale
They have a knack for un-branding
- Francine Hardaway
Its better than "Bing Devices" :)
- Vishwajith
Should Browsers Block Ads by Default? - http://technologizer.com/2009...
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Yes. Or at least give us an ad-blocking extension. This is the thing I miss most about Chrome from Firefox (though I prefer Chrome's minimalism.) [Edit: position later changed to "no," but they shouldn't block ad blockers either. We should have tools that we can turn on if we want. Some popups and some websites are downright annoying.]
- Justin Long
But then how do those who use the net for a living earn that living then?? its a personal choice.. I don't want the browsers deciding what I see..
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree but there should be a checkbox??? I just think it should be easier than it is now. I *do* appreciate Chrome's blocking of popups. That's the sort of ad I hate most. I don't mind Google's text ads, but I do mind big garish things. And I hate websites that are little more than ads.
- Justin Long
No, and stop stealing from me by blocking ads. I have to pay for webhosting somehow. Don't like my ads, don't come to my site. I love you all.
- Bwana ☠
No, though easier controls would be nice for the masses. The bigger issue though is we need some serious reform in how the ad-tracking industry operates.
- Tinfoil 2.0
No. That is how people make a living.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Guess I'm changing my answer to the same as Logical's. "No, but easier controls would be nice."
- Justin Long
No. I see it as morally wrong, which is why I don't use an ad blocker. If I don't like an ad, I don't pay attention to it.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
No. It's how a lot of small sites support themselves. If it wasn't for a few bad sites with ridiculous amounts of untargeted ads, we wouldn't need ad blockers at all.
- Jan Ole Peek
TeraDyne - why would you see an adblocker as morally wrong? what about fast forward on a TiVo?
- Justin Long
Justin, fast-forward on a TiVo is different assuming you pay your cable or satellite provider and don't just use it for off-the-air broadcasts.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I don't have a tivo but my father-in-law does. He pays for DishTV. But there are still ads. Is it morally wrong to fast forward through the ads on a show? Why?
- Justin Long
What is the difference between "not paying attention to an ad" and "using an ad blocker"? I just don't get the comment about it being morally wrong.
- Justin Long
This is something I predicted would happen in 2008, and it didn't. I hope somebody does it, but it's unlikely in my opinion.
- Louis Gray
It's the only thing keeping me from using Chrome
- Alex Scrivener
I have no qualms about fast-forwarding through TV ads, particularly since I'm paying a premium to get satellite service to begin with. But I probably I wouldn't be so aggressive about blocking internet ads if the tracking wasn't so invasive.
- Tinfoil 2.0
While we're at it, let's deliver half of our content if a browser blocks the ad. No, how about a 1/3. We'll call it even.
- Bwana ☠
Holden, wouldn't it be great if a Web browser had a checkbox to on/off ads, just like it does for popups or cookies?
- Louis Gray
Ads? What are those? Seriously now, I can't remember the last time I clicked on an ad. It's not that I don't want to support this and that blogger, I really do. But my brain seems to have created a filter. I don't intentionally ignore ads each time, on each site, but somehow I don't see them. So maybe that was meant to be past tense. I do use ad blockers. Not because of text ads,...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
Are you talking about ANY ads Louis?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Yup.
- Louis Gray
Bwana, today's ad blocking people are not usually the target psychographic anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
For all using Chrome: http://adsweep.org -not developed anymore, but still works decently. Successfully blocks at least 50% in my experience.
- Vlad Bobleanta
This discussion sickens me
- Bwana ☠
Justin: I also don't use a Tivo, but I hardly ever watch anything on TV. The difference is that a lot of websites are run by people who aren't being paid for their work, while TV shows have a budget and are kept alive by the viewers.
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
I see... well to me in my opinion the best ads don't look like ads anyway ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am agreeing with Bwana.. people NEED to make a living, we are not all so lucky as to be being paid by others...
- Rob Sellen :o)
As for the making money argument, maybe it's time for content creators to move past this one. EXCEPT the text ads.
- Vlad Bobleanta
No. If you want to get good content for free, suck it up. Don't click on them if you don't like them. But sites need to do a better job at laying out ads. If you compromise on your reading/watching experience by having intrusive ads or ads taking up more prime space than content, your site will suffer.
- The Fat Oracle
what did i do to deserve this? what else would you rather i did for a living? perhaps report on tech news but take money in exchange for saying nice things about companies?
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, let's charge $12.50 for 5 words
- Bwana ☠
Bwana, I have to agree. It goes to show what scoiciety is like. They want "something for nothing".
- TeraDyne Azurepaw
Louis... can I say you wield that wooden spoon so well ;o) kudos.. :-D
- Rob Sellen :o)
I suspect it will be difficult to get Google to implement this on chrome - NoScript is a staple of mine for FF, hands down best script!!
- walidmREALTOR
Ads go... internets die... simple...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Kamath: Agreed. Bwana: deliver none of the content if an ad blocker is used, if you so please. Or pull a Murdoch as you suggested. No one is going to stop you.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Microsoft will clearly never do it in IE, nor will Google. That leaves Firefox and Apple, and I leave it to your imagination to itemize the pressures these organizations would be under not to do it.
- Tinfoil 2.0
You guys want to rob content providers and smile while you're doing it. Fine. I don't have to like it and I will say something about it.
- Bwana ☠
But for those who insist on the moral or whatever other reasons ads should be tolerated... put some pressure on your ad networks not to use annoying ad styles and to trim way back on the tracking data (cookies, Flash LSOs, etc). Then it becomes not such a big deal with a lot of people. Simple and comprehensive ad blocking will never be in the mainstream browsers, and those who go out of their way to add blockers are not your target audience anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
If you don't like my ads, don't come to my site. It's that simple.
- Bwana ☠
I'd say let people turn off ads after a set amount of time on a page. I want to see the ads just not all of the time I am on a site with long form content.
- David Sandey
from Friend Deck
What RIGHT do you have to block someone's INCOME on THEIR site/blog??
- Rob Sellen :o)
Holden, I always am willing to pay for good products.
- Louis Gray
Bwana, who in this thread has ever sent you via your blog any money?
- Louis Gray
You have. And if you block my ads, I'll gladly return the funds :)
- Bwana ☠
Holden, that you are supported by ads on your blog is an illusion.
- Louis Gray
Louis: +1. but to answer the initial question, I don't think brothers should fiddle with the design and "content" of the sites they show by default. Plugins are good enough for me. And anyone who wants to block ads knows about ABP and such.
- Vlad Bobleanta
With full RSS feeds and increasing content in social networks, viewing actual blogs is presumably on the decline anyway, so bloggers will have to evolve and find new revenue models.
- Tinfoil 2.0
LE: Precisely.
- Vlad Bobleanta
I don't think the browser has any business blocking ads out of the box. Blocking ads is not an exact science. It's not like disabling Flash or CSS. Now, a plugin blocking ads is just fine. I understand the arguments about messing with someone's livelihood, but I think I also see what LG is getting at here.
- Rahsheen?
Which is why I get an Adsense for Feeds check
- Bwana ☠
Justification doesn't make it right. There is no gray (no pun intended) area here
- Bwana ☠
That's great for you Bwana, seriously. That's a good adaptation that I suspect gets through to people.
- Tinfoil 2.0
No. Ads are the secret juice that funds much of the internet, leaving it free for all to enjoy.
- felix
Thank you Andy. That's MY point
- Bwana ☠
If the sites overdo it, don't visit. Don't use that as justification to block ads everywhere.
- Bwana ☠
1) I didn't write this post. Others did. 2) I wrote a long post quite a while ago about how the common "I blog for ad revenue" model is broken for most people. 3) I will pay for good content and services. 4) I think having an option to turn off ads - all ads - would be a good move. 5) I still like Bwana anyway. :)
- Louis Gray
My most controversial post on this topic from the way back machine: http://louisgray.com/live... "Most Bloggers Don't Deserve Any Ad Revenue"
- Louis Gray
ad blockers should notify the site they are blocking ads from to give them the option to limit content
- Rafael Robayna
Rafael - that's my thinking. Welcome to shareware on the web
- Bwana ☠
None of this is personal, but Louis knows, when I feel passionate about something like this, I'm not going to bite my tongue :)
- Bwana ☠
Here's another point on this from back in 2007 when I saw ad revenues on the Web were going to hit a wall (which later happened). http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
No, or I should pay for the site's maintenance.
- Erfun
Andy: If the content is unique enough, and not available elsewhere for free (I realize that's saying the same thing twice), people will pay. But 99.999% of content is not unique enough. Sorry.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Subscription models failed because people were generally cheap when it came to the web. "Everything is free or else we'll find a way to get it for free" I know there's a lot of folks who would pay and honestly enjoy it. But there are those who WILL justify: 1. Stealing the content and reproducing it elsewhere (THE WEB SHOULD BE FREE!!) 2. Not pay at all and consider me a money hungry wolf 3. Launch a campaign to smear my name
- Bwana ☠
And since they justify it, they don't see any wrong in it.
- Bwana ☠
Are ads a problem for someone here ? I mean ok, ads should not be the main income for bloggers and startups but it helps, secondly do people really care ?
- stanjourdan
@Andy: actually kachingle.com has an interesting model of paid subscriptions which I find very promising, and have shown that a substantial part of the web reader population is willing to pay for the good content they consume.
- Stephan Osmont
For what it's worth, I do not block ads with any third party apps on any of the browsers I use.
- Louis Gray
Stanislas - I believe some take extreme cases and apply it to everyone
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana : ok, did i miss something then ?
- stanjourdan
Not really, some people care more than others
- Bwana ☠
Louis: Suure... :)
- Kevin Arth
no
- Wayne Sutton
I just listened to a debate, where people argued about the power of default settings; because many people keep everything set to default. I think when ads become less of a boring interruption and more value focused, people will be fine about them. Right now though Louis, most ads just get in the way of what I want to read or do online.
- Jim Connolly
In France there is a startup called GeekBooster that offer to place ads for blogs in blogs pages. The concept is that clicks does not make you earn money but points that enables you to place your own ads on others blogs. And that's cool because you can discover new blogs. Probably a detail, but i like this service and it would be a shame for everyone if it was blocked. Sight
- stanjourdan
JIM: especally the ones that pan across your screen and block or obscure the content.
- Kevin Arth
Wow! I just came back after a brief lunch... this was quite the enthusiastic conversation!
- Justin Long
I simply don't understand this moral outrage people get upon seeing web ads. When you watch TV (which many of you are also probably paying for) do you scream at the commercials? When you read a magazine (which you've probably paid for) do you place your hands over the ads? Why is it that when you browse a website - for free - (whether or not you believe it deserves to get any sort of revenue) and there's a banner there it's a huge problem that must be fixed by ad blocking?
- felix
Moral outrage is the wrong word. But yes, when I see commercials on TV, I skip them with TiVo. When I get commercials on the radio, I change the station, or turn on Sirius Radio (Commercial Free) from the iPhone.
- Louis Gray
when ads come on TV i flip channels. but then i'm usually watching PBS so pffft.
- Joe Silence
Yeah!
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
@louis - if it isn't moral, than what sort of outrage is it? You are opposed, on what grounds, to being shown ads on an otherwise free website?
- felix
In general is not seeing ads on a page (banner blindness is documented) really so awful that it would be worse than putting most ad driven websites and services behind a pay wall?
- felix
I have no problem with ads, as long as they don't interfere with the overall experience and don't spy on me/follow me. Unfortunately, that's increasingly rare.
- AllisonWagda
My main gripe against a lot of ads is the speed penalty they impose. I tried running Firefox without AdBlock Plus running and Google Reader was siginficantly slower as well as many websites. If you watch whats loading, its not the site, but the ads that are slowing things down.
- William
Not by default but the ability to install adblock is desirable to me. Not everyone has pretty ads like Bwana. I also agree with the slow loading issue of sites with many ads. It completely kills a good web experience when you visit a site and have to wait for a doubleclick server to sent you that drug-you'll-never-use ad which, when it finally does load, blinks incessantly next to the first and fourth paragraph of plain text you are trying to focus on.
- Dale
i don't use ad blockers either.
- Edgar Rodríguez
I just want to be able to block slow ad sources. Sometimes the ad loading adds up to 2 minutes in page load time. It sucks. If I see I'm waiting for one source, that isn't the content source, I should be able to block it. Or weed it out simply.
- Andrew
No, in many cases I prefer ads than having to pay for content. With the amount of reading I do I would have to be very rich.
- M F
If browsers start blocking ads, simple websites would try to block access to such browsers, the sophisticated ones will make it impossible for such browsers to distinguish between content and ads. At the end of the day, an ad is html & javascript. Its not very hard to fool such a browser.
- Vishwajith
btw, ads can be useful and add value to the page.
- Vishwajith
YouTube - Exposing the PR Firms Behind the Fake "Grass Roots" Anti-Healthcare Movement - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Fair warning: Lots of Maddow snark.
- Phil Glockner
Hard not to be snarky when the situation is so transparently ridiculous.
- Todd Hoff
Where were these grassroots groups when the bailout was giving millions to the banks for bonuses? Oh, sorry, that's not socialist. ..just larceny.
- Dale
Live now: The Tech Guy radio show. Watch Leo's end of the conversation at http://live.twit.tv. Di-scuss here...
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shhhhh ;-)
- Leo Laporte
Why are we being quiet?
- Jason Hansen
Leo, we are waiting for you to make the first move. It's customary. :)
- Eric Geller
Wow, what a great piece from the developer of the Google Voice apps pulled http://www.maclife.com/article...
- Mark
Just listened to this weeks Macbreak weekly. Love how someone said they might have removed Google Voice because it possibly conflicted with the network stack on the iphone. Epic lol.
- Mark
hi from ga every t hings workim better 2 day
- daveccorey
there's a kind of poetic irony in the juxtaposition of the Obama birther and the Palin divorce memes.
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how easily we all filter the news and make assumptions about validity and meaning. how quickly self re-enforcing data can slip by our own inner censors. and how each of of reacts when others point out our mistaken assumptions. is this a teachable moment?
- MikeAmundsen
So Mike, what are you thinking? I'm all ears.
- Myrna
from my POV, i see folks who find an idea so compelling, they they accept it as true and pass it on. even when the sources are vague and the evidence missing.
- MikeAmundsen
The same thought occurred to me earlier. Supply and Demand at play.
- Robert Kenney
right now, i am fascinated by the "meta info" here, not the stories themselves.
- MikeAmundsen
@Robert: yes. and as we look at the ways social media treats both memes, it reminds me that MSM is not really all that diff anymore.
- MikeAmundsen
Oh, Bill Maher(Real Time) spoke about this in his New Rules. Did you see?
- Myrna
@Myrna: saw the birther stuff. what would he say about the divorce meme?
- MikeAmundsen
He said something like how a rumor gets started. One dumb person says something to another dumb person and all the dumb people carry it on. Do you remember that. Of course I'm paraphrasing.
- Myrna
@Myrna: oh yeah. now i recall.
- MikeAmundsen
Did you see it on HBO or youtube?
- Myrna
viewed this youtube (extended one) video: [http://www.youtube.com/watch...] NSFW
- MikeAmundsen
There's more if you can see HBO. He is too much but this week it was really great.
- Myrna
how often does *my* truth filter mis-fire in a day? is my yahoo homepage properly tuned to include data that does _not_ fit my preconceived notions? how often do i dismiss the truth as unlikely because it clashes too much w/ my closely-held beliefs?
- MikeAmundsen
I don't know, you tell me.
- Myrna
I know it was partly hypothetical but not really.
- Myrna
@myrna: i ask myself these Qs quite often. that's why i joined the TCOT list a while back. why i try to read books that seem to refute my POV. and yet i still wonder each day what i've tuned out. what i've accepted uncritically. this divorce thing was just another reminder of my struggle<g>.
- MikeAmundsen
Don't be so hard on yourself. What month were you born? Sign? You will get signs all the time now that you are aware but relax a little. Don't hold on so tightly.
- Myrna
@Myrna: LOL, thanks. for me, "an unexamined life..." etc. while i often question i try not to judge; myself or anyone else.
- MikeAmundsen
It sounded like you were being hard on yourself but good if you're not. :)
- Myrna
@Myrna: hehe, you're a gem. thanks for looking out for me. peace. 8^)
- MikeAmundsen
This is fairly brilliant... do republicans really think Obama is NOT a citizen? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Do we really expect frank and up-front answers from politicians -- republican or democrat?
- Pete D
I think there is little hope for the Repubs and this video seems to prove it
- Andy Glover
No
- George Gray
Dude...this video is fucking sad
- Rahsheen?
Reap what they sow.
- Ayşe E.
+1 Pete
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I am so sad I was a Republican for 12 years. Someday I will hopefully make up for that idiocy.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert, sadly, Democrats are just as bad. And don't worry about making up for the idiocy, there's far worse things in the world. At least you aren't one of the politicians :P
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Well I hear less of this kind of idiocy from Democrats. Might have something to do with Fox and Rush having such a big impact on politics in last 15 years.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
The birth certificate is not a real issue. Stanley Fish offers an astute insight into possible motivations of those who are requesting the proof of Obama's citizenship over and over again: " It isn’t the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate that’s the problem for the birthers. The problem is again the legitimacy of a black man living in a big house, especially when it’s the White...
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- jacek
Look he was born in Kenya and then tunneled as a baby to Hawaii, where he cleverly posted his OWN birth notice in the newspaper since he KNEW ahead of time that he'd be running for president and this would come up. Now come on. Is that not brilliant or what?
- Richard Bitting
Question is not whether he is a citizen, but a natural-born citizen (the qualification to be president). I don't know why they don't just settle this though. All this mess just to see a piece of paper. Seems like the money could be better spent elsewhere (on both sides).
- Brian Milby
They HAVE settled it. The state of Hawaii has released a certified copy of his birth certificate. The conservatives then claimed that the certificate was bogus because of some issue with the fonts and layout of the certificate, even though it was issued by the state.
- Trent Hamm
I think he was born in Hawaii but I don't know what is being hidden. Two men had their orders to deploy revoked so that they would not have standing in a lawsuit questioning Obama's qualifications to be president. So basicly any soldier that does not want to be deployed just has to claim to be a Birther.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
I don't get what all the fuss is about. Even if he was born overseas, his *mother* was an American citizen and that automatically makes him one, no matter where he was born. -- "Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the...
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- daNanner
the real irony is john mccain was born in panama. on a military base, yes, but this is not settled law. amazing how this was never mentioned.
- lew
When I slide my legally purchased copy of Torchwood from the laptop monitor to my ViewSonic, it stops playing. 'Monitor Unauthorized' DRM!!!
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Not using $100 Monster Cables? Better get some. ;)
- Dale
DRM = Dat's Really Mean!
- David Eckard
Study: Abstinence-Only Lunch Programs Ineffective At Combating Teen Obesity | The Onion - America's - http://www.theonion.com/content...
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All teens should have easy access to Bland ParentFood literature and be supplied with girth control pills, mouth condoms, dining diaphragms, barf rhythm method charts etc..
- Dale
ROGER SIZEMORE'S MIDNIGHT RADIO: Birther nation - http://anselpixel.blogspot.com/2009...
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"Josh Marshall points out the obvious today. I hadn't thought about it myself. Why such a fuss over where Obama was born anyhow? His mother is and was a US citizen all along. No matter where he was born, he's a US citizen. Otherwise, John McCain isn't a US citizen either. He was born in Panama because his mom and dad were doing duty in the Canal Zone when he first saw light. So it's a totally pointless argument in every respect."
- Russellreno
from Bookmarklet
This has been my point of view all along. Many I know making this argument would have kids or be themselves aliens if birthplace was the rule or if one family member were not a US citizen. Many military families fall under this scenario.
- Eric - seven eleven
Eric - there's a special provision in the law for the military. Being on base, in those cases, is the same as being in the US. Note: I am not a "birther". I'm just pointing this out.
- Katy S
Sorry to wack the equine carcass further but the point is that to be a US president one must be born on US soil. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constit...
- Dale
Dale, I think many people think that phrase just means 'born a citizen', rather than one naturalized afterwards... Back to the original point, the Birther claim is that his mother was too young at the time to confer automatic citizenship on her son born outside the US. (I think there's a law about this...)
- Andrew C (✓)
Ah, the cited TPM post is here: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archive...
- Andrew C (✓)
On FOX, Limbaugh says of Obama's Gates answer: "President Obama is black. And I think he's got a chip on his shoulder" | Media Matters for America - http://mediamatters.org/mmtv...
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Insert your own bitter old junkie joke here.
- Steven Perez
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He needs to read (and understand) the article I linked to here: http://ff.im/5FtpV
- Katy S
Drug czar: Feds won't support legalized pot | Fresno Bee - http://www.fresnobee.com/local...
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“Legalization is not in the president's vocabulary, and it's not in mine ... marijuana is dangerous...”
- Anthony Citrano
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Booooooooo.
- Andrew C (✓)
It's as if I've heard this drivel somewhere before... ;)
- Anthony Citrano
Decriminalization is preferable anyway. But I doubt that's in the pipe line (so to speak) either.
- Dale
What are the benefits of decriminalization over legalization?
- Andrew C (✓)
I think what's going on here is severalfold: 1. Gil is sticking to his lifelong script; 2. the President has said he favors decriminalization, I don't think he ever said legalization; 3. the WH has a lot on their plate - this is not a priority. So, the decision might be to say "no" to spending political capital on decrim OR legalization; 4. they know the writing is on the wall anyway,...
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- Anthony Citrano
Pandora now pushing radio to pay for music, too - Ars Technica - http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
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In an e-mail to Pandora supporters last week, founder Tim Westergren called the current system "fundamentally unfair both to Internet radio services like Pandora, which pay higher royalties than other forms of radio, and to musical artists, who receive no compensation at all when their music is played on AM/FM radio." He went on to ask readers to call House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi's office to request her support on the Performance Rights Act that would force radio to start paying a performance royalty to rightsholders.
- Leo Laporte
In an e-mail to Pandora supporters last week, founder Tim Westergren called the current system "fundamentally unfair both to Internet radio services like Pandora, which pay higher royalties than other forms of radio, and to musical artists, who receive no compensation at all when their music is played on AM/FM radio." He went on to ask readers to call House Majority Leader Nancy...
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- Leo Laporte
I found this development from Pandora a bit self-serving. Granted that Pandora is paying a bunch of money for the rights to play music that broadcast stations are currently doing for "free" (they pay royalties to composers and lyricists but not the studio/performers), but the broadcasters' justification is that they are providing an advertising benefit to the performers (and studios)....
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- JR Holmes
The more "uplifting" someone's email signature quote is, the more I want to stab myself in the eyes with hot needles.
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Hang in there!
- Kevin Fox
that's acceptable if the picture of the kitten is attached.
- Veronica
It's always sunny somewhere!
- Thomas
Search deep inside yourself, Veronica, and try to explain why you hate it so much.
- Eric Geller
They don't need to be hot ...
- Salty Droid
It's 5 O'clock somewhere!
- Fee501st
they cauterize better that way.
- Veronica
If you did that, you realize you could never see any more LOLcats, right?
- Eric Geller
A frown is just a smile with potential...
- Thomas
My boss usually has some Zen Buddhist message on his AIM (which seems uncharacteristic for him) - but today he's got "In case of rapture, have a designated sinner." That's more like the sarcastic boss I know and love...
- Jandy
Stabbing myself in the eyes with hot needles turns me from the ugliness of the world to the peace of permanent darkness.
- Andrew C (✓)
'Make the world a better place via the power of bacon'
- Alex Scrivener
that's a nice one.
- Veronica
You know you've hit rock bottom when 'uplifting' quotes don't make you want to barf.
- Amy
I've long ago learned to ignore signature quotes (unless they're Groucho Marx).
- George Brickner
Would really depressing signature quotes be preferable?
- DGentry
Is the inverse true? If my sig is super depressing, will it bring a smile? :)
- Mo Kargas
Confucius say: "man who run behind car get exhausted"..."man who run in front of car get tired" --------------------------------------------------- "Who made you Judge Judy and executioner?" -- Homer Simpson
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Funny, "Please stab your eyes with hot needles." is my email sig.
- Todd Hoff
That one about the number of breaths you take vs the moments that take your breath away just makes me want to pinch someone. repeatedly. until they scream.
- Yolanda
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair
- Michael R. Bernstein
"Perhaps God rewards martyrs, but life seldom does..." --Ulrika O'Brien
- Michael R. Bernstein
new here and you just made my day with a good laugh
- nyfamily5
An old coworker at Nokia who's sig said: "The world is a festering pit of despair." An engineer trapped under the marketing umbrella.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Calling me out huh? :-P Dropping the gloves. j/k
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I like pizza
- NoahDavidSimon
I like cats, and pizza.
- Veronica
But not really at the same time.
- Veronica
couldnt agree more
- sean percival
hoping you don't like cats IN the pizza
- Wagner
An
- Christian (Simply X)
from Android
Wagner, see above.
- Veronica
and this is why the company I work for insists you don't use them and. I'm glad
- Christian (Simply X)
from Android
here, found your new email sig! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48...
- Wagner
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