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if unclear: RSSCloud will help readers get your blog posts right away, just like RSS lets them get your posts at all.
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How ? Like many others, I use GReader. How will it help me ?
- Andy C
GReader, if and when it supports RSSCloud, will deliver blog posts to subscribers immediately after they are published if they are published through RSSCloud.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
does that make sense? right now you subscribe to a blog's feed in GReader and GReader checks the RSS feed like once every 30 mins. Depending on the feed, sometimes it only checks once a week if you're the only person subbed to it. With RSSCloud, GReader could act like an Instant Messaging client for you and be told, thus telling you, the moment a new post is available.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Right -- Google Reader would be instant, like Twitter and FriendFeed are.
- Dave Winer
OK - but I thought Google/Feedburner were firmly behind PubSubHubbub that isn't fully rolled out yet either. Are these protocols complimentary or competing ?
- Andy C
+1 Andy C agree its getting confusing
- Kim Landwehr
Ultimately they'll have to decide whether they want to give features to their users. I supported Atom in River2 in less than a day. It won't take them much longer to support rssCloud.
- Dave Winer
makes me think that Google owning both the dominant feed publishing service and the dominant feed reading service probably isn't very good for the feed ecosystem.
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Marshall, this gives them the opportunity to prove that it's not a problem.
- Dave Winer
:)
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
Winer makes a good point. Google should support rssCloud so the market decides
- Steve Gillmor
The market will decide regardless. Google will be making a mistake by not supporting it.
- Jesse Stay
exactly Jesse
- Steve Gillmor
@Steve - seriously - when has Google done anything serious beyond its obsession with search based ad placement?
- Dennis Howlett
supporting Pubsubhubbub was a good start, rssCloud a good next step
- Steve Gillmor
@dahowlett Google does a lot of serious stuff: gmail, google apps for domains (incl enterprise search appliances), deeply serious stuff around power usages/management for their own datacenters (and even more serious BigTable & the other underlying technologies within those datacenters), Google Earth & Maps (incl the massive effort to get Streetview data), Google Books & the scanning...
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- Shannon Clark
Rss Cloud discussion. Interesting stuff...
- kevin fitts
Glad to see you pushing Dave - Congrats on getting Matt/Wordpress onboard.
- PXLated
I don't understand: why RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub? You can talk about "choice" and push Google to support RSSCloud, but if there's no real difference between the two, the market can't differentiate and there isn't going to be a real choice. Like right now, I'm asking why didn't Dave Winer and Automattic get on board with Pubsubhubbub? What's the material benefit for pushing RSSCloud instead?
- Mark Trapp
Fine. It's the other way around. When they decided to implement realtime feeds, why did they invent something new? RSS already provided for it. Since 2001. So bring this argument to them. Thanks.
- Dave Winer
BTW, to be clear, I don't have any issue with the Google guys who did Pubsubhubub, just with arguments like this that get their chronology backwards.
- Dave Winer
You didn't really answer the question, Dave. Is there a material difference between Pubsubhubbub and RSSCloud such that RSSCloud is better? Why would I choose RSSCloud over Pubsubhubbub, or vice versa? All I know right now is that there's one standard that's supported by Google, and one that's supported by you and Automattic. Why shouldn't I go with Google's version? It reads like Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD
- Mark Trapp
Mark, I stated a few reasons as well here: http://staynalive.com/article... - but frankly, Dave was first. Google's a bigCo. Dave's isn't tied to a bigCo. I think his is more appealing because of that. I'll support both though until I see wider adoption.
- Jesse Stay
Guys, we plan to integrate RSS Cloud to Lazyfeed very soon. We've just announced it on our blog: http://blog.lazyfeed.com/2009... Hope people will like it :)
- Ethan Gahng
Jesse: Dave's version might've been first, but the one that seems to have gotten wide adoption first was Google's. So when that happened, why fight it? I'm assuming there's a good reason why RSSCloud is better: being technically first doesn't seem like a good enough reason. I do see the part about 24 hour expiry: I'd have to think about that some more. Seems like something easily added to PubSubHubbub, though: and doesn't seem like enough to keep two competing specs alive.
- Mark Trapp
rssCloud is a done deal. Mark, you should take your own advice and stop fighting.
- Dave Winer
What happened to the Hide command in FriendFeed? This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.
- Dave Winer
All I'm asking is for some information on why there are two seemingly competing specs and which spec one should one adopt, Dave. If you can't deign yourself to provide that information, by all means ignore or block me: perhaps someone besides you who gets the difference between the two can fill in the rest of us mere mortals on what the concrete differences between the two specs are.
- Mark Trapp
@Jesse: This is why - 'This thread is so over, totally needs to be hidden.'
- Andy C
Andy, I agree with him - this is a dumb argument.
- Jesse Stay
It's not a dumb argument, but one that should be rendered moot by Google supporting rssCloud
- Steve Gillmor
Dave, it's right next to Comment, Like, and Share... Hide is the one on the right... no your other right
- Chris Heath
Does this mean I won't need Sudar's Post to FriendFeed plugin for WordPress?
- Skyler Call
http://www.youtube.com/watch... I found this helpful as a primer in understanding RSS.
- kevin fitts
Anyone remembers VHS vs. Betamax? Nowadays willy whacking is sooo last century, isn't it?
- Sebastian
wasn't vhx vs betamax settled by the adult film industry?
- Chris Heath
Prolly many adult entertainment services have implemented PuSH spreading near real time smut moments before supporting rssCloud. Why miss out on any opportunity?
- Sebastian
Regarding Jesse's argument that "Dave was first" is sufficient justification for preferring RSSCloud, it was dead for more than five years and implemented by no one. When he chose to take it out of mothballs, PSHB was implemented by Google and others. His choice to revive RSSCloud has splintered pub-sub support into two efforts and a lot of programmers will now be asked to support both. I'm not clear on the benefit either.
- Rogers Cadenhead
Eventually it boils down to wether you reader app implemented enough real-time "clients". An easy option for this is to use Superfeedr, since we have implemented MANY of them... and we push forward the content to your reader.
- Julien
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WordPress Just Made Millions of Blogs Real-Time With RSSCloud http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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This definitely puts the nail in the coffin of the "RSS is dead" contentious debate. Now we can focus on innovations in-and-around RSS. (In response to the Google Reader question, I think that Google will use their HubPubSubHubb in conjunction with Feedburner,- however I suspect they will need to be compatible with rssCloud) Translation for end-users: wait and see.
- William Mougayar
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@William Hopefully - its a pointless debate - always was.
- Chris Saad
pointless for those who don't care about realtime
- Steve Gillmor
lol saying that to me is kinda silly too Steve :)
- Chris Saad
Instead of debating, why not just let the API mashup devs do their thing and the rssCloud (RSSCloud?) devs do their thing. We (the social media megaphoners) need to just shut our speculating pieholes, wait, and anticipate being blown away (or not). Turning non issues into issues is SO Web 1.0. #justsayin #rsscloud #api
- Mona Nomura
it's not a non-issue, and these technologoies were invented to give people a voice
- Steve Gillmor
Mona, you're so wise! :-)
- Dave Winer
The fact that we are all here in FF (SUP) vs. discussing via instantized blog/comment volley/query rebuttal is telling. This notion of approaching more realtime options is how blogs might get back to being useful for certain groups of folks. Maybe?
- Jay Cuthrell
Real-time is a very important feature Jay - super important. So are a number of other key features of the social web and a number of new emerging features of the next web.
- Chris Saad
(didn't mean to inject or hijack anything there btw... this is all good stuff)
- Jay Cuthrell
Thanks, Dave. Congrats on the big news, btw!
- Mona Nomura
To add - if "real time discussions" are pertinent to your forward thinking, innovations, and products: You're Doing it Wrong. Form opinions, then discuss. If you're wrong, apologize, learn, and move on. #CriticalThinking101
- Mona Nomura
Thanks Mona. :-)
- Dave Winer
In hindsight, Steve's obsession with the subject of real-time might have heightened our attention on the debate, but also perhaps hastened the development of rssCloud. I'm sure that in the back of Dave Winer's mind, he wanted to show that Twitter (and Friendfeed to some extent) wasn't the only real-time game in town (in addition to the fact that this hook was already available in RSS...
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- William Mougayar
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William, you'd be 100 percent wrong about that. I was doing this stuff before Twitter or FriendFeed existed.
- Dave Winer
I'm not so sure Twitter was ever real time. Only centralized. This made it appear realtime. (Except for the lucky few - i.e. friendfeed)
- Jeremy Felt
reagrdless of the prior art discussion, certainly dave's embrace of realtime is good news
- Steve Gillmor
amen, Steve
- Jesse Stay
@stevegillmor: prior art? What on earth are you trying to say in this context? Since when did prior art have anything to do with real time? Or have I missed something fundamental?
- Dennis Howlett
Let's see what happens with all the million Wordpress.com blogs. But I have a felling this will be big but we won't see the impact for a few months
- Wayne Sutton
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@Dennis http://code.google.com/p...
- Stephen Edgar
Dave, I'm glad I was wrong (as I hinted to the fact that you had that hook there from 2001). I recall well how Radio Userland and Manila used to interchange feeds in real-time. You sure have kept us in suspense, til now, though!
- William Mougayar
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*Hugs Dave Winer over RSSCloud* :)
- Susan Beebe
yes francine
Holy crap - you all coming back?
- Dennis Howlett
Gmail is back after one hour downtime. That makes it Gmail 1 Exchange 200,000
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Exchange is the reason my Palm Pre can't keep a signal.
- Andrew
Really Gillmor? That statement make you look like just about any another veritable industry whore. Lmao@ Cloud/gmail being down "Once" compared to 200k figure pulled out your ass. Stick to iPhone app updates.
- Nemo
If Gmail goes out for an hour I can live with it - but what I do miss much more are NEW episodes of the Gillmor Gang on my iPhone. That's an outage that effects my personal knowledgeability!
- Michael Pinto
I agree with Michael. I miss the best show on the internet. Where is the GG? (but thank you for all the great episodes of the past)
- Wo
My IMAP connection to Gmail didn't go down.
- Scott Greiff
Really Nemo. Just putting today's outage in context. An industry whore? Unfollow pls.
- Steve Gillmor
@Nemo - Steve may have 'pulled the figure out his ass' as you so quaintly pointed out but surely the more important number is how many GMail users were inconvenienced? IMAP and POP were working just fine but we may never know how many users were able to manage in those environments while others waited for the web app to come back. I'd also add that it's not so long ago (in the last...
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- Dennis Howlett
I disagree with Nimo on many levels, but it is fair to say that today's outtage demonstrates the disadvantages of having everything centralized. Having a local cache of my personal content (email in this case) has it's advantages. Even if IMAP/POP had failed today, those users who were using desktop apps would have at least had access to their email and could have continued to create new emails until Gmail returned. Assuming any central service will always be available is foolish, IMO.
- Jim McCusker
If you compare two imaginary worlds with total populations of 10,000 people: one where 100 local servers each have 100 users and another where 1 server has 10,000 users and where each server is down 1 day a year... would you rather everyone experience the outage on the same day, or have 1% of the population offline on each of 100 days? That is, if uptime and reliability are the same, is centralization really an issue?
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Now that 'trust' is the new 'money' -- can it be produced using industrial-strength production machinery?
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Recommend checking out the firesales soon to start up in Detroit.
- Dennis Howlett
Reminds me of the old Robert Wilson piece, Death, Destruction and Detroit II http://theater2.nytimes.com/mem...
- Cliff Gerrish
Gives the "Trust" and "Personal Trust" business a whole new slant.
- Cliff Gerrish
Does that mean that the distrustful are bankrupt?
- Aron Michalski
Not gifted with the pithy and snappy comeback today. But speaking of Detroit, Francine wrote an excellent post on Fast Company about patriotism, community, and Detroit. Recommended.
- Karoli
My comment was both an attempt to be humorous and to ask a serious question; if we switch to a more affinity-based currency, do those who stand alone put themselves at a serious disadvantage?
- Aron Michalski
"A man with friends is rich beyond imagining" takes on a whole new importance, doesn't it?
- Aron Michalski
hard to answer that question. Reading an article right now about misplaced trust and money that would tend to place the advantage more toward the thinking alone person than the more shallow trusting person.
- Karoli
I hope that others weigh in on this conversation; I think this is an important question and a valuable one.
- Aron Michalski
So, in thinking about this...the "no man is an island" quote comes to my mind. We all trust someone. We all place our trust in a set of institutions and people. Even loners. The question isn't whether we interact with those we trust. The question is how trust is built and determined. The loner may withhold his trust signals from the larger crowd, but there is no assumption that he will be bankrupt by not placing himself on a stream for others to trust.
- Karoli
Monetary currency itself is a matter of confidence. Paper money isn't mapped to gold. (In God We Trust) - But how is social currency banked? Traded? Time-shifted? If money is the poor man's credit card, what's the equivalent in 'trust?' I've explored a few of these issues here: http://blog.echovar.com/...
- Cliff Gerrish
I've read that post a couple of times. Still chewing on it. What stops me from embracing it altogether is how simple a system like that is to game. Retweets create an ecosystem of middlemen. (note: I am not saying retweeting doesn't have value. I believe it does.) Retweeting is a component of trust, but not the primary one, IMO. Consider Digg and how easy it is to game it. There has to be an editorial, a human component. Something genuine.
- Karoli
Just reread the !Kung piece and a thought comes to me; the gesture as poetry. It serves as a filter for those who read without seeing, see without feeling, hear without listening. The violent gnashing of the comment sections we visit and how the poetry of an interpretation seems to narrow the stream of valid currency into the right account. On the other hand, finding a universal...
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- Aron Michalski
and yet, almost hysterically, it's all the 12 bar blues in the end.
- Aron Michalski
I want to come back to your comment about the gesture as poetry, Aron, but this discussion reminded me of a somewhat petulant post that I wrote back in 2007 speaking to the question of gaming. http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007...
- Karoli
As much as I love Spamku, gaming poetry is not something you can truly do. It either reaches you or it doesn't. The maudlin Hallmark moments might sell greeting cards but will they be quoted for generations? Will they provoke thought? It might not be cryptography but the human heart can't be fooled for too long.
- Aron Michalski
That's why I made the separation between your poetry thought and gaming. The difference between greeting cards and poetry that lasts is an authenticity. there is something in the poet's voice, observation, use of metaphor and imagery that resonates to a deeper truth with the reader. Authenticity brings trust. The poet's ability to make us sit up and take notice of the truth he or she is...
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- Karoli
If everyone were asked to give up $5 from their next paycheck to save GM. Would they?
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I wouldn't.
- Alex Scoble
I would. Of course, "everyone" won't, so it'll be much more than $5.
- Hiro Asari
hell nah!
- Carlos Ayala
Only if it gave me a 5$ stake/vote in the company
- Micah Jefferson
This GM? No... A fundamentally revamped GM, maybe... GMH is a large employer in Australia and the Holden Commodore is an icon here. What happens in the US effects everyone you know.
- Johnny Worthington
Actually it is $500 per person!
- Bindu Reddy
No thank you.
- matthew john ernisse
Let's put it another way...I won't buy a GM car to save GM...
- Alex Scoble
no
- Shevonne
Nope
- BEX
NO
- Morton Fox
Yes, but i'd be giving $5 to help out the workers who need jobs, not to save the company... it's not their fault their bosses can't run a company.
- Ted Roden
No
- Deepak Singh
Management was not entirely to blame for GM's failings.
- matthew john ernisse
Yeah I would
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I think the tax payers wouldn't go for saving GM if it were put to direct vote. Yet, we keep rescuing one institution after another. After paying trillions of dollars into banks they have started to make money again and give out bonuses again... Sigh
- Bindu Reddy
Nope. I feel for the employees but saving the existing company will just result in more of the same. Not actual, needed change.
- CAJ, somewhere else
Not if our president had anything further to do with it.
- James Stratford
I wouldn't even invest $5 right now in GM mainly because of how bad the mgmt has been doing for the last decade!
- Shivanand Velmurugan
No. GM can't be 'saved' with more money.
- Dennis O'Neil
I wouldnt invest $5 in a GM car, let alone the company...
- Jeremy Toeman
Nope.
- Mona Nomura
No.
- Soup
nope
- Steve C
They don't have to be asked. GM is traded on the open market. Everyone who wants to put money into GM already has. If more people wanted to put money into it, the stock price would soar, and they wouldn't be in bankruptcy.
- Glen Mistletoe
Thanks Glen - saved me the trouble.
- Internet's Tad
Glen nailed it, end of thread
- Mark Traphagen
BTW, I've already given more than $5 to GM, if you calculate that my taxes will have to repay the government bailout money (it's gotta come from somewhere).
- Glen Mistletoe
Nope.
- Wirehead
It depends on what degree of assurance I get that my $5 would actually save jobs. What Glen said.
- Mr. Gunn
nope
- John Wang
nope
- CW™
HELL NO!!
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Yeah, no. I would rather save jobs by investing in a viable industry.
- joey
Bad news: you all already did, times a thousand or so.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
If I had a paycheck, and if I got a share of stock, and if there was a money back guarantee, maybe.
- Grant Bierman
No.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from fftogo
If I had a choice, hell no.
- Beau Liening
@Anthony, Unfortunately yes, we all already did... Many times over. :(
- Bindu Reddy
To save the company? No. To give to the poor workers who have lost their jobs? Maybe but I don't have my own job atm. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Why would they deserve a dime from me? They give me one of those 2009 Cameros and I'll give them five dollars.
- Danny Minick
from BuddyFeed
nope. The management failed everyone. I won't encourage failures like them with even a cent of my money.
- vijay
no.
- Thomas Hawk
I'd give more than that to save GM. My issue isn't that we're giving too much to save GM, but that we're stealing too much from the very people that should make the hard decisions about how to save GM. I assure you nobody in government has a clue.
- Jason Nunnelley
Not a chance.
- AJ Kohn
Not a chance. Don't own GM stock now or ever (though it may be a component of one or more of my mutual funds).
- Craig Eddy
@craig - if you're a US taxpayer, as I said above, you do own GM stock. It's just not worth anything (although you did pay dearly for it.)
- Anthony Citrano
You say NO...but we all know that means YES.
- suzanne
hell no
- Jim Hearts FF
Nope
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
No way
- Håkan Dahlström
No. Hell no!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
No!
- Borislav Borissov
I don't think people would willing pay to save GM. Although they're going to have to ;)
- Nicholas James
Hell no! They're on of the main reasons our air is unfit to breath and our planet is dying.To hell with GM and all other polluters.
- Dv8thwonder
heck no.
- Alan Le
yeah maybe, but there s/be no union shit !
- Peter Dawson
No, that would be immoral.
- Dave Roth
nope
- Alfredo
No effing way
- Alex Scrivener
It depends, would the $5 go toward a factory in my former home town that would help give those folks their jobs back? If so, I would.
- Brandon Mendelson
nope
- Michael Habib
Not I.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I would "save" a lot of stuff, but not GM.
- Amit Morson
not willingly. but i would contribute $5 to the Help GM's Former Employees Eat Fund. i own one of the worst GM cars ever made. i know 4 other people who own the same make and model (different years) and we have all had similar problems with our cars. GM needs to die a death and be born anew.
- tiffany
As long as it didn't go toward executive bonuses, OK.
- Tom Landini
Haven't we each already effectively done that -- except we've each given about $150-200 ($50billion into 300MM people in the US, roughly)? :-)
- Karen
Haha tiffany! Phoenix Motors?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Phoenix Motors would be a great name for one of their cast off brands, Mark!
- Alex Scoble
Absolutely not.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Karen I think of the 300 M ppl I think only 100 M or so actually pay taxes... So yes we have paid about $500 each. Tiffany what car was it?
- Bindu Reddy
The Canadian portion is just over $300 per Canadian citizen.
- Kenton
Hmm. I would if: That actually bought me a 5$ share in GM (with the usual shareholder rights), and if there was some guarantee that I am only obligated if the aggregate total reached some figure that was determined to be sufficient to 'save' them (albeit with no guarantee of success).
- Michael R. Bernstein
We've already given to GM through our government, way more than $5 a head.
- Mike Reynolds
Nope.
- Brandon
Yeah, aren't we already doing that?
- Pete Delucchi
I would start a national campaign encouraging people to keep their money and hope that GM went under.
- The Kid
Nope.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I would. I think GM has been unfairly boxed in and painted with a large, loaded broad brush.
- Karoli
No chance
- Dennis Howlett
No.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Nope.
- Helen Sventitsky
Most of you voted to save GM, and ALL of us are paying a lot more than $5 to "save" them. Thanks, Hopenchangers.
- Robert Kenney
Robert, GMs problems are a whole mishmash of issues, but one of the most major was the fact that they could not shoulder the healthcare costs for their employees. Yet, those of you who derisively refer to us as hopenchangers, condemn ob/gyns as babykillers and all the rest are also unwilling to confront the ongoing health care crisis in a fashion that will actually reform it. So forgive me if I don't bow to your sarcasm or quake at your condemnation.
- Karoli
No bowing or quaking needed, thanks. I agree about the healthcare issues. Management should have offered basic healthcare to it's workers like most other companies, instead of the gold-plated package. But I guess the union wouldn't go for that. Who's fault? Both of them.
- Robert Kenney
We already did. They got bailout money.
- Vaughn
My brother and I did the calculations today; each person in the USA has donated about $185 towards saving GM. I doubt that an additional $5 would help.
- Glen Mistletoe
What are the comparable numbers for the bank bailouts, then? And I don't just mean TARP.
- Andrew C
The imports makes more cars in the US than the three big US carmakers. It is a matter of time before the imports hires more people in the US than the three big US carmarkers. And Americans can own the stock of the imports. How is GM more American than any of the big imports?
- Peng-Toh
No. Now would any of you give up $5 to "save" my sorry ass? Didn't think so.
- Sue Radd
No, not unless they really innovated and came up with a no gas, no emission car, Under 10 grand and mass marketed it. then Maybe.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Gina: You're going to be paying $5 for GM regardless ;)
- Nicholas James
Nicholas, not if I don't get a job soon, I'll be headed to India, and I dare them to come drag that $5 from my sweaty scarf wearing hands.(edit: because I'll be living with my in-laws in the house my husband bought them.)
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Didn't I already do that? Should have failed years ago.
- Andy Bakun
not without a DAMN good presentation on why I should.
- Josh Haley
No, I don't think I'd donate any (more) money to GM. Voluntarily, that is.
- Rick Cogley
GM can go screw. They suck, so they failed. Oh well.
- Aaron Turpen
Trust: the new imperative - http://www.accmanpro.com/2009...
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trust is the old imperative :)
- karl
True - but I suspect it got lost in the mix over the last few years. Time to re-discover?
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- Dennis Howlett
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I'll be there from May 4th until May 7th. See more in my Dopplr profile.
- Dennis Howlett
(BRILLIANT PROGRAMMING READ) Fear Eats You Up Inside - A Tale of a Team in Chaos - Jay Pipes - http://jpipes.com/index...
Nicholas James, Edmund Tay, Woodrow Jarvis Hill and 9 other people liked this
"This blog entry is a bit of a written confession from the Sun Drizzle team. It tells the story of the last few weeks, and how we didn't "Do the Right Thing". It's a tale which ends, hopefully, in our redemption through acknowledgement of what happened, a written commitment that it won't happen again, and a bit of a manual on how to have our actions match our team values."
- mjc
from Bookmarklet
It's a pity we don't see the same open-ness from the enterprise dev teams around the globe.
- Dennis Howlett
it's a pity we don't see the same openness from non-enterprise dev teams around the globe! most OSS is guilty of this too.
- mjc
I'm trying to convince Qik to use friendfeed for their chat engine and get rid of their own wacky tech. What do you think? Say hi!
Susan Beebe, Mike Elliott, Erhan Erdogan and 47 other people liked this
http://www.qik.com is awesome. You should see what's coming.
- Robert Scoble
*chanting* Friend-feed! Friend-feed! Friend-feed! Friend-feed!
- Christian Collins
Qik just announced roaming SIMs so you can do video overseas without paying a ton of money: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
I think FriendFeed needs to create an IRC interface - each conversation gets its own channel on an IRC server somewhere
- Jesse Stay
Say hi to the engineering team. Where is everyone?
- Robert Scoble
FF should be everyone's chat engine.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I am here!
- Amit Nangare
love the idea robert, also love qik!
- patrick
Cool, I have five guys watching here.
- Robert Scoble
watched the video earlier, too!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Ask them when I can get a copy of the new iPhone interface since I beta tested for them originally (and tell them hi) :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: get the new 3.0 in June. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Michael Fortson (head geek) says he wishes he could answer that.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Qik! While I've seen some sophisticated chats on Qik, you will definitely be raising the bar by moving over here.
- jcunwired
Hi there!
- Kurai (ff)
haha. still hopeful for 3.0
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
QIK - DO IT!
- Justin Korn
iPhone app. I am ready to live the dream. Unleash it.
- David Parry
Rolls eyes - what part of not listening to users does @scobleizer NOT subscribe to this week?
- Dennis Howlett
Dennis: you are such a grouch.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed as a chat engine? I'm not seeing how that's a good idea...unless they build a new interface on top of FF that turns a single thread into an actual chat. The FF interface is not conducive to keeping up with extremely long threads. It's actually a PITA. EDIT: In before 100 comments!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I do love the idea of getting rid these closed chat systems. Qik chat would be much more accessible and retrievable.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Friendfeed IS a chat engine. Watch this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Then double click on the timestamp and it will open a window that looks like chat.
- Robert Scoble
*chanting* Friend-feed! Friend-feed! Friend-feed! Friend-feed! 9)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Put that window next to a Qik live video and you've just replaced chat.
- Robert Scoble
This is cool
- Amit Nangare
Zu: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Hello!
- Kevin Whalen
HEY QIK! :D
- Michael Forian
Here's a mock-up from Sunday's This Week in Tech on live.twit.tv: http://www.kshep.net/twit/
- Ken Sheppardson
FF is a *great* chat engine. Do it. :-)
- Chris Baskind
Oh, that would be super sweet!
- Michael McKean
Ken: exactly!
- Robert Scoble
Ken: that got some "ooohhhhsss" from the engineering team.
- Robert Scoble
Do it!
- Neal Jansons
@ Rah - link to the post in a new tab (or popup), perfecto!
- jcunwired
Go for it!
- Ian May
Robert: They can see it in action... This Week in Tech is repeating right now http://www.kshep.net/twit/
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: we're watching that.
- Robert Scoble
Hi QIK if you go with this, make them give you timestamps for the chat, and also some kind of open user authentication. OAUTH, openid, something.
- rob friedman
Rob: each comment IS timestamped. Mouse over my name and you'll see.
- Robert Scoble
Not my ideal chat interface, but I guess it could work. I mean...it doesn't even scroll the chat for me.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm still not convinced it's open enough. As a business, Friendfeed then owns your community and the relationships between your users. Maybe they're not worried about that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: yeah, that is a problem but this is the modern world. We all rely on each other.
- Robert Scoble
Ken - cool, I like that!
- jcunwired
Robert, too much effort, I like to see stuff, especially if I have to wait for the AJAX, and other magic.
- rob friedman
Rahsheen: yeah, but unlike chat, all messages here are indexed by Friendfeed's search spiders (and Google's too) and there are no assholes here (moderation is decentralized).
- Robert Scoble
Rob: I assume there's an API that a developer could pull it out.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah - the API isn't that difficult to pull something like this out if they wanted to (not sure of the limits on the API). It's also all XMPP so that's a plus as well.
- Jesse Stay
You can pull out the comments on an item via the API, using "long polling" to get them in real time.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Robert, the mouse over just doesnt look/work right in my eyes... http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- rob friedman
Rob: agree, I'd like that to be better.
- Robert Scoble
That was included in the feedback that went to Paul after the experiment on Sunday :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
...along with a request for the ability to add some local styles/branding to that view.
- Ken Sheppardson
And a "Log in/register" link at the bottom in place of the "[Comment]" button if the view isn't authenticated
- Ken Sheppardson
Also, there's a mouseover/pause issue with that view, it seems. Typical beta stuff.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought XMPP *was* chat? Anyone remember when Jabber/XMPP was the new kid on the block? Young whippersnappers...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I am extremely happy they're using XMPP
- rob friedman
XMPP is a protocol. People build chat on top of it :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
eXtremly Message Passing Protocol :) j/k
- rob friedman
There's no reason you couldn't use FF as a message store,using either XMPP or the API to read from/post to it. People could use whatever view they prefer, with the ability to search later and associate conversations with clips.
- Ken Sheppardson
I know, Ken, just saying...Jabber was probably the earliest thing I can remember using it. Remember setting up my own server and all that.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
It'd also be slick if you could embed a realtime streaming Qik/BitGravity player the same way you can embed a YouTube video in FF
- Ken Sheppardson
Somebody starts a Qik video, it shows up in their FF stream, RT comments start flowing... voila.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that'd be a lot of Flash magic there
- rob friedman
rob: Yup. I'm glad our job ends with asking for it :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
hi
- WorldofHiglet
I say let them get the app native to the iPhone then worry about chat problems.
- Erik Boles
Do it
- Bryan R. Adams
I just wish people would get a clue to how a Chat runs, which is slightly different than just straight message passing between ends. I haven't seen any good XMPP Chat rooms that work as good in my eyes as any IRC chat room because of Moderation controls and other Network Services.
- rob friedman
So what's coming? Has to be more than roaming sims...right?
- Jamie Ginsberg
Yes that would improve the chat and make it last past real-time. Say, are you going to make videos for your new job the way you did with your old jobs?
- Prokofy Neva
that's a petty good suggestion, given that FF has made a pretty solid jump with this update.. I mean why not take advantage of the well set player in business to further expand yours in any way possible
- Sardar Mohkim Khan
Hi Qik - listen to Scoble, puh-leeease :-D
- Gaby K. Slezák
they should use gsnap's moderatored chat engine. at least for their premium version for companies that want to moderator the chat.
- Randy Ksar
from twhirl
I like their wacky tech :) They did something unique on the mobile phone. Will they be able to overlay FF chat on their phones like before?
- Bwana ☠
I'm returning to Alcaudete today. - http://www.dopplr.com/travell...
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- Dennis Howlett
Access & Transparency will be key to Finance 2.0. CPAs as stewards of financial data have an important role to play. - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/haque...
This may be a completely wrong way to see finance 2.0
- Dennis Howlett
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