It's great having service icons removed from the posts, that way we focus more on the content rather than the source of the information. That way users won't ignore certain services subconsciously because they've noticed a service icon, rather users ignore a post because it's just not interesting.
I hadn't anticipated it, but it seems so evident now.
- Micah
Some how I think people's hidden filters should be reset just because it's a new way to see FriendFeed. Before people probably just hid all these services because one person kept flooding it.
- Andrew Trinh
I never liked how FF posts get more activity than posts from other services. I always saw FF as meta to all the services you can import so why should it matter if an item was shared on Google Reader or posted directly to FF. The other trend I don't like to see is people ripping off Reddit or Digg by copying and pasting the headline and linking directly to the article, giving no credit to the original.
- Graham English
For me it helps sort whether content is likely to be original or shared. Now I still look for that first, and it just wastes my time, having to find it amongst the rest of the text.
- Pixie
What difference does it make if the content is original or shared? If it is interesting and brings about a discussion or enlightens another user then it has served its purpose.
- Andrew Trinh
Of course original content (and the conversations around it) matters... it's FriendFeed, not DataFeed. Stuff like Digg bugs me because it's several clicks to get to the meat, just to see if it's interesting enough to talk about. Also, I may not care about person X's tweets, but I may care about their last.fm (for example). Service identification and discrimination is valid for many and varied reasons.
- Tinfoil 2.0
It depends on what your purpose is, Andrew. Mine is to usually get to know individuals better.
- Pixie
I never said you can't ignore a particular service, that's what the hide is for. But let the users see the information first without any bias and then let them decide.
- Andrew Trinh
Alix, if your purpose is to get to know the individual better then you deserve every right to hide feeds of a user because of which services they use more. But don't let the same bias affect posts by other users, hide it for once and not for all. If after you've considered it that you may not like tweets overall hide it, you don't need to see a service icon to see that.
- Andrew Trinh
Isn't the service part of the information?
- Andy Bakun
Andrew, it's attention prioritization. Especially in a faster-moving realtime page, with user avatars and service icons (like the old realtime feed) I can instantly hone in on where to focus my attention, before I even start reading any titles, comments, or other text.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Actually, there is a great risk of people being unfairly labeled as moronic without the icons, if their posts make little sense, as is the case with a lot of stuff from twitter. I can excuse moronic posts from twitter if I immediately know that's where they are from. Without the icons, I can't really do that. That means everyone I follow has to be a twitter poet, or I might mistaken them for idiots.
- April Russo
But the service has never disappeared, under each post it still states where each post originates from it's just not the main focus any more. The question is, if you have to filter out so much of your feed that you need icons to see which ones to read why do you have it shown in the first place?
- Andrew Trinh
I don't ignore or hide based on service. The icon just often tells me in an instant if this is something the person created or something they think is worth sharing. I never felt the icon was the focus, just an organizational tool.
- Pixie
Andrew, I think you might be misunderstanding something, The service icons have informational content themselves, allowing certain types of information to be given greater or lesser or just different weight from the rest. So instead of "allowing people to focus on the content itself" it forces you to focus on all the content equally, which is clearly inappropriate. Twitter posts are different than delicious items which are different than blog posts which are different than things shared directly.
- Mr. Gunn
Exactly. I agree with Mr Gunn. Now we have less information than we had before.
- Chris Loft
The service icons represent in part the information that is being presented and how/what services that information was found. Without those it makes it more difficult to tie the information together. Plus those little icons are cute. :)
- sofarsoShawn
Also the service icons are a way of filtering the information, for example: by clicking on a user's stumbledupon icon all their sites fall into a nice column which is FAR simpler then the complex filtering system in the beta
- sofarsoShawn
I have noticed that Friend Feed users are more likely to respond to a post based on the person doing the posting not what service it is rolling out of.
- Tony C (Unrated)
I think there is an important point here that I've made on other items. I think there are two qualitatively different modes of using friendfeed. One is person-centric, similar to friendfeed or Twitter. People interested in what a specific person has to say. The other is content centric, the person is secondary to the content they are bringing in or promoting. My guess is that the content-centric viewers do a lot of filtering based on the source of the information, as well as the people it is coming through
- Cameron Neylon
Also that the research community (e.g. Life Scientists rooms and others) are more content centric than the general user community. I would think the UI can support both modes of use with a few display options (do don't display service icons, using filtering over service type/number of comments/liks etc.)
- Cameron Neylon
That's a good point, Cameron, and considering that the Life Scientists room has over 700 members, one would think their collective opinion would carry some weight.
- Mr. Gunn
Just loaded the stylish scripts that remove the personal icons and put back the service icons (HT to Neil Saunders) so I'm happy now.
- Cameron Neylon
That may be true, but I still miss the icons :'(
- stanjourdan
I appreciate the help, but I'm on chrome !
- stanjourdan
I'll cast a vote in favour of showing service icons whereever they plausibly make sense.
- Karl Knechtel
I ignore certain icons too especially when it's the source of most of the content that I find to be boring. Makes sense to me.
- Corvida
I always was a fan of the service icons. I still run the old school realtime FF in the Firefox sidebar, so I get my service icon fix that way ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
My (and chrisofspades) service icons script still works (in Firefox) too. :)
- Micah
Can I get one for the body as well as the face?
- Dion Almaer
Very interesting. Hope they post the download link soon so that we can all play with it.
- Brady Brim-DeForest
It seems as if the main problem with most people in the examples shown is their forehead is too short or too narrow. Wonder if there's a subtle clue that big brains are beautiful there! :)
- Lindsay
@Jason - that's an interesting concept. Would you be more likely to trust the girl on the left or right? Would you be more likely to talk to either one of them at a party (or more intimidated by either one?).
- Lindsay
Notice that for all the women they soften the jaw, while squaring it for men. Everyone also gets a slightly thinner face and upturned almost smiling lips.
- FFing Enigma
@SB yeah and the forehead adjustment... almost like there is a triangle with the forehead at the point and they flip it so the chin is the bottom of the triangle... weird.
- Lindsay
They are different women! Blame Paul! : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
Lindsay: whenever sketching generic faces, the face starts as an inverted triangle and the eyes appear a third of the way down from the top of the forehead; lips and nose appear below and above (respectively) a line 1/3 up from the chin. Looks like these pictures are rearranged to meet that particular school of drawing.
- FFing Enigma
That is interesting yet odd. Seems that the faces are slendered with the software.
- Jim Goldstein
from twhirl
I wonder what would come out of applying their algorithms to face of black or asian person? Different countries have different concepts of beauty.
- arty
Paul - Think you should definitely add the option. "Click here to be beautiful without the expense of plastic surgery! .... and you may even get more 'Likey's" :)"
- Charlie Anzman
Some of the stuff coming out of Siggraph this year is really freaky. How about combining this with the automatic video editing stuff? ;)
- Joe Beda
without a doubt amazing. It's incredible how subtle the changes are yet massive difference.
- Zee.
Huh, that's pretty crazy. Creepy, but cool. :)
- felix
I haven't read the paper, but I wonder if it adapts to different notions of "attractive" (that changes from culture to culture ...)
- Rui Pires
+1 @Claude I was thinking the same thing! Incorporate this software in wearable monitor glasses, and the whole world would be beautiful! I'll bet we can look for these on the shelves in the U.S. just before November. Social media and reality enhancement software have put Winston Smith out of a job.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
do i sense another manga-style meme starting?
- anna sauce
So, if it turns me into Gilbert Godfried... what does that mean?
- Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
You know, if these guys had gotten together with the realtime video+photo enhancement folks and approached the Beijing Olympic Comittee then that singing girl in the opening ceremonies might not have had to been replaced with a body double. (Yeah, I just brought three of this week's biggest memes together. I'll be here all week.)
- Kevin Fox
The artist proportions were laid out by the Greeks as the perfect human, that's not being used here. This beautification engine, I think, builds on top of a previous study where some students tried to mathematically identify attractiveness. They had participants rate the attractiveness of head shots from yearbooks. What they found was there was a high correlation b/w the geometrically "average" face and high attraction. That "average" is based on the proportions of the di
- xero
stances between the individual elements of the face and their relative sizes. IIRC the software adjusts elements so they statistically/geometrically complement each other. It's not actually working toward a golden set of proportions, but a set of proportions appropriate for the individual as defined by the masses. I wouldn't think of it as "facial discrimination" so much as "deviation from ones potential".
- xero
I'm waiting for the first Facebook application that automatically enhances your profile picture like this. Every social network should run this on the avatars. Beautiful people!
- Benedikt Koehler
Can you imagine the controversy if dating sites got a hold of this?
- xero
@paul automatically apply it to all profile photos, huh? are you sure you ready for results? check my picture - try to see wonderful cossacks writing infamous letter to Turkish Sultan :)
- A. T.
I wonder if they'll turn Mickey Mouse into Mighty Mouse
- Dave Q
this will have a lot of practical applications to create a (virtual) world of beautiful (or more acceptable facially) people.
- Apostolos Tsompanopoulos
Just a complicated high tech implementation of beer goggles.
- Hayes Haugen
"Interview with David Kroll and Damond Nollan of NC Central University at Science Online 2010, January 17, 2010" #scio10 (Don't know why 2 copies came thru)
- Graham Steel
A few weeks ago, I watched a short four-minute video on Domino's Pizza. According to the clip, customers were disappointed in the product. Some complained the crust tasted like cardboard, the cheese was processed, and the overall taste was nothing to write home about. As with all criticism, one can ...
It was, but that's the annoyance, Allen. I would prefer that if a change is made, it should be consistent. The graph, already suspect, now has an even bigger anomaly.
- Louis Gray
I of course prefer the higher number, but when it was first changed, that change was a surprise and annoying. For it to be reversed is, in theory, equally annoying.
- Louis Gray
yay robert - now louis will be happy it seems because the larger number is back
- Allen Stern
Hey now, Allen. See above. I prefer that if it is one way it should stay one way. And higher #'s are always better, if you can make reasons for them.
- Louis Gray
Impressed that you hand-coded the capturing, I wouldn't know where to start
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
We're honored to be your first guinea pig for the screencasting :) You should do this often.
- Ethan Gahng
greta video - got straight to the point :)
- Riaz Kanani
Hi Louis Thanks for the heads up about Lazyfeed. I have tried to register but it needs an invitation code. Can you or anyone in your network please let me know what I should put in? Thanks
- Jane Finch
Very well done, I now have a better understanding of how it works. Anymore invites? Thanks
- Mo Hall
why doesn't Lazyfeed have a feed for FF?
- Thomas Power
Thomas, Lazyfeed's founders are just now getting to understand FriendFeed better. Maybe with time.
- Louis Gray
LazyFeed looks great.! Thanks for this video Louis, super interesting (I like your fast pace too). Would love an invite if you have 1.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Hi, thanks everyone for your interest in Lazyfeed. We are excited to tell you that we will be releasing more invite codes via Twitter today. To receive your invite, please follow @lazyfeed on twitter and we will DM you an invite code. This invitation will expire midnight PST. Thank you!
- Lazyfeed
Louis, thanks for this wonderful quick tutorial. I am off to experimenting with Lazyfeed now. I wonder how you use it in conjunction with GReader, since I also find you sharing lot of stuff on GReader as well.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Love lazyfeed so far, but it won't connect with my Twitter acct even after I set up and click connect - only Flicr, etc..Anyone else have this issue.
- Liza + = ?
Liza - I've just tried connecting your twitter to my lazyfeed and it seems to be successfully bringing tags like lazyweb, trip, techkaraoke, etc. Please try again. Thanks.
- Ethan Gahng
Now that is GREAT customer service, Ethan. Thanks.. I want to learn more about lazyweb and ppl interacting from lazyfeed. Seeing it from my google dev friends. Any ideas?
- Liza + = ?
Very nice video here. I will use this to share with all my people. Thanks Louis.
- Amani
"What I have learned today is that people trust me and I have a responsibility to protect that trust. As I move forward, I will be more careful to better screen information before I send it out. - The question we must ask ourselves before we consider sending something out to the world is this material worthy of my name? - Remember, when we share or retweet something, we are essentially saying that we endorse this link or content. As a "router" of information, our positive reputation is very important if we seek to have a long career. So, I encourage you to learn from my mistake and avoid ever having to apologize."
- Maitani
RSS is short for Really Simple Syndication. For many, this means nothing. So, to explain, let us look at a common scenario. - If you have spent any length of time on the Internet, then you must have at least one or two favorite web sites. Outside ones e-mail account, I find many people like to visit news sites like CNN, Fox News, or a local newspaper. On any given day, you may stop on the site, read a few articles, and then go about your business. Sounds easy enough, right?
- Maitani
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- dear_iran
Thank you, everyone! :) I'm just trying to figure out what to do next. The next several months are going to be really interesting.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)