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Sean McBride
Twitter is for fast brains who get the main points instantly.
They don't need a dissertation. - Sean McBride
Who's they? - Professor A.I.
The best minds on Twitter and the minds who follow them. - Sean McBride
You ever read the bios; everybody is the best mind on Twitter. - NOT THE CRICKET
Then why do PhD's need to have a dissertation and the professors who advise them? - Professor A.I.
"best minds" is a category one needs to populate with instances according to one's personal criteria. But automated methods for doing this are improving impressively. - Sean McBride
Doctoral dissertations are fine and necessary -- but not all the time or even most of the time. Often a brief crisp sentence will do. - Sean McBride
And in any case, one can use Twitter to post pointers to great dissertations. A few keywords in the tweet will either catch one's eye or not. - Sean McBride
A large portion of people I'd label best minds, don't bother with Twitter, or social media in general. - NOT THE CRICKET
Who are they? - Sean McBride
Sean, are you going out on a limb and saying Twitter is popular? You should be an evangelist for them—they really need one. - Professor A.I.
I guess I'm not one of the best minds, since I don't really use Twitter much. - Professor A.I.
Sean, I don't know most of them because they don't bother with Twitter. ;) A few, that have accounts but lack any serious activity that could be considered coming from the best of minds: Rich Hickey, Bret Victor aka Worry Dreams, Dyske Suematsu, Jack Cheng, the Professor by some other name. - NOT THE CRICKET
Cricket -- thanks for the response. I asked you because I am always on the lookout for interesting minds I may have overlooked. And both you and the prof are right: many of the best minds in the world are not on Twitter or any social media platform. They tend to keep very low profiles. - Sean McBride
One on Twitter (and formerly Friendfeed) that I really respect is Mike Amundsen (@mamund), for his work on data formats and Hypermedia API's. - NOT THE CRICKET
Right -- I've been following Mike "Hypermedia" Amundsen's Friendfeed feed for years. - Sean McBride
Then you should love my new service. It consists of seemingly random strings that actually point to the deepest secrets of the universe. That is, if you are smart enough to figure out their true meaning. The location of this service is of course self evident to the initiated. - Todd Hoff
Only certain selected ET species will get what that is all about -- the ones that communicate with one another, just for fun and because they are bored, through complex puns and allusions constructed from bits and pieces of all the natural and artificial languages and symbol systems in the universe. - Sean McBride
"faster brains, younger women, older whiskey, and more money." or something like that - Greg GuitarBuster
Now that is a value system one can earnestly embrace. :) - Sean McBride
LOL Todd. I agree Stage 3 RESTful services are pretty much a useless abstraction, with only a few use cases. When a Stage 2 REST-based RPC works just as well for 98% of cases and is far easier to mentally reason about. One significant use case, I've found recently is for allowing others to attach external self-describing services with little or no effort on the developers part. Think Friendfeed, IFTTT, Zapier, etc. that integrate with your services instead of supporting your services. - NOT THE CRICKET
None of the very smart people I know use Twitter. But then, they are not out there trying to attract "followers". Too busy figuring things out..... - Danaa
I always thought Twitter is great for the celebritologists. And politicians. And OK, Max Blumenthal (because he has to). - Danaa
Twitter is a trully fantastic tool for teenagers - mirrors their actual socialization skills and apptitudes (well, most of them....). Goes very well with texting and sexting. It's also great for the BORG society - excellent tool for connecting the hive out there picking nectar from the field for reasons unknown. Only problem is, what if there is Deranged Bee Syndrome? - Danaa
Todd & Sean seem to be aware of our new service. - Professor A.I.
Danaa -- Twitter is not a medium for doing deep thinking -- it's a medium for providing quick pointers to deep thinking on other platforms. - Sean McBride
There are cheese puffs in the closet. - NOT THE CRICKET
If I had a column in a paper or a blog out in the visible world, I'd probably use Twitter too. basically anyone in the public eye - and many who just work with the public (as in providing a service) finds twitter very useful as a kind of 'advertisement' to direct traffic to their site. No disagreement there. - Danaa
Danaa -- does this link open correctly for you? [Twitter: Sean McBride: following] I wouldn't follow these feeds if I didn't think they were valuable. Do they fail to meet your standards? Some of these people I would describe as smart -- in fact, super-smart. - Sean McBride
It's interesting to see who various Twitter users are following -- for instance: [Twitter: Stephen Walt: following] - Sean McBride
[Twitter: KurzweilAINews: following] - Sean McBride
Sean, in truth I follow no one on Twitter. For reasons that have everything to do with time management and nothing with my opinions re twitter. Most of the time I am signed out so the link you provided does not open for me. They keep wanting me to sign in and I keep not wanting to. I am right now trying to get done with several essay snippets. can't promise anything to anybody or check in to anywhere till I'm done. Don't worry about my standards. I just live in my own bubble world, like everyone else. - Danaa
Danaa -- time management is precisely what motivates me to use Twitter: it permits one to track and prioritize the most important new events and ideas in any domain with the least time and effort. It also enables you to break out of your bubble by scanning and listening to the social networks of others -- including adversaries. - Sean McBride
Steve Perlman, is another name to know. - NOT THE CRICKET from iPhone
To say the least: [Wikipedia; Steve Perlman] - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Someone please tell MRW to subscribe to me -- I want to send him a direct message.
(MRW and I have had several charged exchanges about global warming -- I support the overwhelming majority of reputable scientific publications on this issue -- anthropogenic global warming is a serious issue -- MRW sides with the global warming deniers -- like Fox News, Donald Trump, James Inhofe and Christian Zionists. I hope he hasn't permitted those disagreements to influence our discussions about Mideast politics.) - Sean McBride
MRW is apparently supporting Mooser's remarks on Judaism and Zionism -- I would love for him to explain why. I would be surprised if he can even accurately summarize what Mooser's views are. - Sean McBride
You burned some bridges during the course of the last year. I remember when MRW packed up and left this site. i don't think he wants to communicate with you. - Chu_
MRW's problem is that he can't stand his ground in debates with people who are better informed than he is on particular issues. Ask him to explain his defense of Mooser's views on Judaism and Zionism -- see if he is able to make any sense. - Sean McBride
Chu -- regarding the banning of hardcore antisemitic and Judeophobic hate speech from this group -- that is one of the best decisions I've ever made. That is a sewer to avoid at all costs. - Sean McBride
Eric -- let's discuss global warming in another group, ok? These days I follow only leading scientific publications on the subject, including: 1. American Scientist 2. Discover 3. Live Science 4. National Geographic 5. Nature 6. New Scientist 7. 8. Science 9. Science Daily 10. Science Magazine 11. Scientific American 12. Smithsonian - Sean McBride
Most climate change deniers come from the crackpot right -- many of them are Christian Zionists; many of them are funded by carbon billionaires with a self-interested agenda (like the Koch brothers). Few of them can get peer-reviewed papers published in reputable scientific journals. - Sean McBride
Eric -- not here, please. - Sean McBride
Eric -- I can bury you with counter-evidence from more reputable scientific authorities -- but not here. Perhaps in your feed, if you would like. - Sean McBride
I deleted them for you. Have a great day. I will send MRW_8 your request. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Thanks. - Sean McBride
You're welcome. 97% of Hassidic scientists support Zionism so I am sticking with the experts on that topic since it's what all the reputable sources I read say and there is an overwhelming consensus. ;-) - Eric Logan from FFHound!
We'll let pass the point that Hasidic science is an oxymoron. :) In any case, I'll be happy to pursue the debate on global warming with you in another feed. - Sean McBride
What is a "Hassidic Scientist"? know of anyone? It's kind of like saying "Amish Scientist". It's not that they are not capable, it's that it's not the ultra-orthodox and/or the religious beat. An aside: please distinguish "someone sympathetic to Hassidis" from a living and breathing and practicing Hassidim. The ultra-orthodox generally don't even study science, much less go to an open... more... - Danaa
I think Eric was kidding about that 97% - Chu_
well, kid me not. gave me a chance to confront the awesome truth that Hassidic scientists bring to the world. Also I like the expression. but yes, there are people who are "sympathetic to hassidim" just as there are those sympathetic to Chabad. And sometimes they have things to say about global warming. Except one never knows where they might go with it. Could be Andromeda galaxy or could be the beach in Miami, slowly being eroded. - Danaa
I'm sympathetic to neither. btw. Max Keiser feed is good. Max: " This is what happens when you give paranoid schizophrenics with a huge chip on their shoulder $100 bn. and nuclear weapons #IsraeliTerrorist" -If more media people laughed at what a joke Israel and their kooky government are, there probably wouldbeen a 2 state solution 10 years ago. - Chu_
It was a consensus joke about climate orthodoxy Danaa nothing more, nothing less. - Eric Logan from FFHound!
Eric, OK, OK. It's just that the word "hassidim" always triggers a gag reflex some place in my brain's solar plexus. It's partly the meaning of the word itself, I think. "Hassidim" in hebrew means basically something that's a combination of "righteous" and "pious". Their take on Jewish religion was supposed to involve a certain humility before god, while also removing the intermediation... more... - Danaa
Exercise is good. - Danaa
The global warming discussion is being continued here: I want to give Eric Logan the opportunity to develop his arguments. - Sean McBride
The MW mystery of the disappearing comments.
Does anyone remember back in 2012 when I had a huge fight with Slater and Donald over the possibility of the US attacking Israel if it ever used its nukes or to prevent it using nukes? Is was a big fight concerning his "Just War" theory and went on and on on the thread and now its all gone. Poof!..disappeared. - American
All that left from that fight was Slater's later reappearance and Donald the philo posting a article about my comment and calling for censorship........... - American
American, did you check in the archives whether your own comments disappeared too? I do think it's extremely unfortunate to disappear such a valuable archive. If that happened I would be quite disturbed as well. especially as we are in the middle of one of those "just war" escapades that israel loves to mount now and then. not to mention what's been done to eastern Ukraine as we speak.... more... - Danaa
American -- did you ask Annie about this? Do you have her email address? - Sean McBride
Comment by Hostage on UN - Important
I had no idea Israel managed to finagle (sp?) itself a place on such sub-committees. Serious conflict of interest, making hte UN enterprise look like a joke. A very sad one. - Danaa
He was responding to my comment above so people may have missed it, especially as the thread is closed now. I sure would have liked to respond to Keith's comment too, who kindly shared a very interesting link. MW is starting to feel like coitus interruptus (sorry for the imagery, guys. In my next [computer-generated] incarnation I'll probably return as a guy too - an apt retribution). - Danaa
SO... Hostage is back. It was basically a bluff of his that he was leaving? - WJones
I don't think it was a bluff, just a little temper tantrum. Which we all had at one time or another. Did you know, WJones, that there was talk of starting Mondoweiss-aholic anonymous group at one time? Didn't you feel like stomping out one time or another only to slither back in, like nothing happened? The MW commenting world turns us all into drama queens, I say. But I like... more... - Danaa
Phil's comment about how he wouldn't be friends with a sincere Christian was the kind of thing that would pressure me to spend less time on the site. After all, if I am sincere in seeking Christianity, and he wishes to avoid being my friend, then why should it be so important to me to keep pursuing his writings? - WJones
WJones, most of us who visit MW and/or comment there are not motivated by desires of friendship with Phil, but by something much larger and more important than any one person. Phil is human and like all humans will have good points and weaknesses. I don't get all bent out of shape if I find out he is kind of OK with jewish priviledge, or that his attitudes toward other religions are,... more... - Danaa
I know there are many others on the site to whom the Jewish tribal question and the zionism vs Judaism issue are paramount. But to me it's kind of an extra, like icing. I've learnt a lot about American jewish people on MW on all sides of the I/P question. But first and foremost I am there to help allay, in whatever small ways I can, the terrible fate that's prepared for the... more... - Danaa
Anyways, the point is, WJ, that one interrogate oneself over what one's own priorities are. For me they are straight forward - human beings first, grand issues later, and my own ego - OK, that's last (or should be). may be for you a Christian perspective or a non-Jewish approach to what's going on is all important. I don't know. But be it as it may, Phil's less than perfect attitudes to... more... - Danaa
pepsi, I didn't comment much on MW these days. I visit the site daily because I'm interested in the links, in some posts and in some commenters. I use the material I get as best i can to help the cause I am interested in. You are welcome to your own priorities, but frankly, right now, with so many dead and suffering people in Gaza, arguing the pros and cons of jewish supremacy seems kind of an academic exercise. - Danaa
There are antisemites out there who are so rabid that you know they are heading for a mental hospital, prison or a visit from you know who. They have completely lost it -- very sick human beings. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Max Keiser: Thanks to Israel's baby-scull-crushing slaughter in #Gaza 'anti-Semitism' is no longer a pejorative.
Zionism could succeed in legitimizing several thousand years of antisemitism in the minds of a critical mass of people worldwide. Seriously -- it could happen. - Sean McBride
OK, I'm giving in - I'll follow max keiser on Twitter - Danaa
Max Keiser: Famous Carnegie Deli in NYC offers #IsraeliTerrorist sandwich. Pastrami, chopped liver combo resembles kid that just got blown up by #IDF - Chu_
"Maybe if Palestinians upload a 'cat doing funny bit' video on YouTube the world might take note of #IsraeliTerrorists slaughtering babies." - Chu_
Sean McBride
Mooser quote: "Go boil your head. Not that it'll do any good, but please, give it a try. Remember to wipe your head when you get it out of there."
[Google; talmud boil excrement] - Sean McBride
Mooser is channeling (consciously or unconsciously?) the most vile and hate-filled theme in the Talmud. - Sean McBride
What upset Mooser? I pointed out that contemporary mainstream Judaism has fully embraced and absorbed Zionism -- which is an undeniable truth. So where is Mooser really coming from on these issues? - Sean McBride
Mooser is concerned with 'his' judaism. Unfortunately his judaism is in the minority. - American
You would have had to approach the question more gingerly to try to pull it out of him why he reacted so strongly. Feed him with compliments, maybe an apology for offending him, talking about common points of interest, etc. Instead, you chose to point out the similarity between his reaction and the strange text. - WJones
Part of the issue with Mooser is his past debates with you on the topic. - WJones
Plus, you have to be ready to let him say bad things and ignore that yourself. - WJones
yeah, jones may be correct. mooser wants comedy coupled with criticism. That's why he doesn't talk to Shmuel and Avi types, etc. He prefers 'working' his side of the block. - Chu_
He doesn't talk to me much either. Like you say, Chu, he is working his side of the block. His prerogative. - Danaa
Mooser is not interested in pursuing mutual dialogue that advances our collective understanding of any topic. He is not capable of engaging in that kind of dialogue. His thing is one-liners that ridicule the targets of his cruelty. Sort of like Joan Rivers, Howard Stern and Bill Maher, when you think about it -- that general mindset. Attack, slash and cut. Ignore any pushback. Try to maintain the whip hand. - Sean McBride
As for his "Judaism" -- I have no idea what it is since he has thought so little about what it means. Judaism for Mooser is mainly a warm fuzzy feeling of Jewish ethnic solidarity, apparently. He is worried that Zionists may be undermining the reputation of Jews and putting them in a bad place vis-a-vis the nations. He is probaby right about that. - Sean McBride
Sean, I had no idea that's what his comment meant. What a vile desecration. It's difficult to image that he didn't know. And Phil just welcomed he and Hostage(Chomsky's apologist) back so what does that mean. MW is not the place for me. That's it for me, but thanks for starting this site. I find the discussions here informative and civil, so maybe I'll continue to post from time to time. - weareone
weareone -- we look forward to your posts. - Sean McBride
Thanks, Sean. - weareone
Weareone, some topics are at the cutting edge of MW. Chomsky is one of those topics, as is the book The Almond Tree and whether it is elitist or not. - WJones
WJones, I'm not familiar with the book. Will look it up. The earlier comments on Chomsky were interesting. He just seems to engage in a lot of obfuscation, but is of course a Zionist at heart. - weareone
Weareone, Here is the link for the debates that raged on MW over the book: - WJones
weareone - you should have seen the debates about Gilad Atzmon - ah, those were the days...... - Danaa
It's sad. - WJones
And the blow-out about greta berlin. That was something! Nowadays, we can't have such great blow-outs any more, just flashes in the pan and hits and misses (where we mostly hiss about not getting the right "hits") . Actually, the way threads are closing down these days after 2 days, and sometimes long "dead" periods where nothing gets refreshed, conversations are bound to be like ships passing in the night, always ending on a question mark. No matter. me complain? never! - Danaa
Still no sign of Mooser on MW since this exchange. - Sean McBride
Thanks for the link WJones. Frankly, Danaa- I'm not sorry I missed those days, but it does seem that discussions quickly change into put downs or personal attacks. I'm more interested in action plans-how we can use our collective mind power to solve this problem. - weareone
Mooser is back -- pretending that he wasn't asked any serious questions about his Talmudic hate speech and his thoughts on the symbiotic relations between Judaism and Zionism. He's a hit-and-run specialist. - Sean McBride
That was a very nasty and uncalled for response by Mooser, I must say. I said what you did - and then some - 10 times over and nary a problem with mooser, who sometimes upped me one. It's the speaking-out about zionism/Judaism while not jewish. It really rankles some people. basically anyone and everyone who comments on MW while admitting to or being sniffed out as not being jewish (and... more... - Danaa
That sniffing can be really ugly -- quite like the way some antisemites approach the world. But what really annoys me is his inability to engage in a fair and reasonable way on some issues. - Sean McBride
I suspected as much, Danaa, but thanks for being honest enough to admit and explain it. Since I'm not Jewish I could tell that I didn't pass the sniff test even before I stated it in one post. But MW, in my humble non-Jewish opinion, suffers from it's lack of diverse voices and that's probably why. People may visit the site and "feel" the lack of receptivity. I know I have. - weareone
weareone, some day I will attempt to write down the "code". Unfortunately, unlike Sean who believes in Twitter and instant pair power, I will have to resort to some extra-sensory perception to really nail it down and alas, Twitter can't help me with this and neither can Big Data. Well, possibly the data is just not "Big" enough? this "code' is a funny one. Some people can tell just from... more... - Danaa
there are moments that I sound a bit Mooser-like, at least when I write. It's like he rubbed-off on me or something. His sarcasm really knows no limit but i'm seriously distressed to see he strayed over into nastiness. No good, that....perhaps something is not well in the flesh world. Perhaps things just got to him. Yet here it is - my first reaction is concern. Part of the code, probably. - Danaa
Sean will come to the rescue, I know, with even better software tools. More pairs and even triplets. And still, the odors will elude, as they vaporize when you as much as try to sniff them out. - Danaa
I understand, Danaa. Every racial or ethnic group probably has a variation of the code to one degree or another, but its a problem when it keeps us sealed off in our own tribal mentality. It's interesting because on MW, people consider themselves more enlightened on issues of prejudice (some serious self-delusion for some, but I won't go into that now). - weareone
Sean, have you brought this comment to the attention of the editors? - weareone
THey approved the comment for it to get posted so they know of it. - WJones
Do you assume that they know the meaning? - weareone
Because if they understand that the comment is defamatory and printed it anyway, it's even more significant. - weareone
imo, at the very least the editors should issue a public apology and mooser should issue an apology to Sean and everyone else who should have been offended( let me change that to outraged) by that comment. If he refuses, he should be banned from the site. - weareone
They won't apologize because they didnt write it. Sure, Mooser should apologize, but he didn't directly offend others. It was pushing the limits of allowable comments. - WJones
No, they didn't write it, but they approved it. It's their site and they censor comments via moderation, so they are ultimately responsible for what is posted on their site. We can agree to disagree, but I think that Mooser owes an apology to all readers of the site because defamation of any religion should not be tolerated if MW is to have any credibility as a site that supports justice, tolerance and equality. What would the reaction have been if a similar comment were made about Judaism? - weareone
weareone -- I was so shocked by the viciousness and hatefulness of Mooser's comment that I still haven't fully processed it yet. I am definitely not done responding to it. Mooser really should issue an apology as soon as possible. - Sean McBride
weareone -- I went out of my way to try to reduce the tension surrounding Mooser's blowup and meltdown over the Judaism/Zionism issue -- and I generously offered him civil greetings when he returned to Mondoweiss after a long hiatus -- and he responded with this obscene attack. Really amazing. - Sean McBride
Sean, please forgive the delay in my commenting. I restarted it several times. I am just as appalled and outraged as you are. You cannot let this comment pass without discussing it with the editors. imo, If they dismiss it, it tells you everything you need to know about MW. We can and should choose who we associate with-especially online. I tell my children that environment is stronger than will (not my wisdom but that of an Indian sage)and the environment at MW may be toxic. - weareone
I'm already gone, but I'll support you, if you would like, if you decide to address this. Not that you need any support, but so they know that others were offended as well. - weareone
Dont you'all waste your time on individuals on MW --there are bigger fish to fry. Most of MW is nothing now but trolls vr everyone else...boring and not worth while. No stimulating debate or real knockdown good back and forth arguments like we had in the past on the Greta Berlin thing and with Jeff Blankfort. I don't know what MW has censored that we dont see from some commenters but in... more... - American
Thanks for the perspective, American. If you don't mind my asking, why do you bother to comment? I have always found your comments very to the point. I also happen to agree with you most of the time. :-) - weareone
I don't think I communicated that very well. What I meant to ask was why do you comment given the racist things said by other commenters? imo, you definitely bring a different and fresh voice to the discussion and I look forward to your comments. - weareone
'' American. If you don't mind my asking, why do you bother to comment--weareone)....I honestly don't know why I I suppose its just another place where I can keep up with the events and also express my disgust with the Israel abomination. I do learn something from some of the commenters there and it also revs me up to keep harassing my politicians. - American
As for the racist commenters - they are the ones that constantly go on about how 'gentiles and 'Christians are 'all' and 'collectively' evil persecutors of the 'innocent jews since time immemorial and etc.. I believe it was WJ who said we gentiles are born with the 'disease of anti semitism'. And evidently that was fine with the moderators----whereas they all screech about people blaming jews 'collectively'. So hypocritical. - American
One thing that MW has done is convince me that Jewish 'tribalism' is never going to change....Phil for instance, may have married out to a gentile, may have assimilated in many ways and is a decent person with a conscious-----but he is still at core 'tribal'. I don't say that because he obviously wants to protect himself as jew and perhaps other jews from blowback on Israel---cant blame... more... - American
((Mooser owes an apology to all readers of the site because defamation of any religion should not be tolerated if MW is to have any credibility as a site that supports justice, tolerance and equality.)) Mooser didn't actually directly insult Christianity. I assume it's a coincidence, although it could have been a phrase that passed down in the collective unconsciousness. Anyway, Sean... more... - WJones
That's good advice, WJ -- but it may require more self-discipline than I possess. :) - Sean McBride
Thanks for the responses, American and WJones, but I do believe that the comment was egregious and should addressed by MW. Sean, I read your posts of 7/24-7/26 and agree with you, for what it's worth. - weareone
Gawd, I just looked at the google link....that is one filthy religion. In Gittin 56b, 57a[72] a story is mentioned in which Onkelos summons up the spirit of a Yeshu who sought to harm Israel. He describes his punishment in the afterlife as boiling in excrement.[73][74] - American
Compare those passages with numerous racist and genocidal passages in the Old Testament -- the pattern is impossible not to notice. Contemporary rabbis frequently cite these passages to justify Israeli policies. - Sean McBride
pretty sick and it's no wonder Christianity became a global religion, while this religion is caught in the stone age with ideas of 'chosen-ness, but built upon a foundation of vengeance and hatred. I see what Farrakhan was referring to now. Too bad that this rag-tag cult has attached it's blood-funnel to the USA. - Chu_
Sean McBride
billmon: Downward spiral in making: As more secular/left Jews flee the insanity, Israel will skew ever more religious/fascist
Danaa -- do the tweets from the following sources strike you as the natterings of teens? - Sean McBride
1. Alex Kane 2. Andrew Sullivan 3. Ben White 4. billmon 5. Blacklisted News 6. Chemi Shalev 7. Democracy Now! 8. Gareth Porter 9. Glenn Greenwald 10. Greg Mitchell 11. Jewish Voice for Peace 12. Josh Marshall 13. Juan Cole 14. Laura Rozen 15. Marc Lynch 16. Max Blumenthal 17. Max Keiser 18. Mike Rosenberg 19. Mira Bar-Hillel 20. Mitchell Plitnick 21. 22. Scott Horton 23. Stephen Walt 24. The Nation 25. Tikum Olam 26. Tony Karon 27. Trita Parsi - Sean McBride
I don't think so. :) - Sean McBride
Imagine how long it would take to visit the websites of all these sources individually instead of skimming off their most important articles and thoughts in a single crisp stream. - Sean McBride
I didn't say they are teens. I also said that Twitter is a useful tool for anyone who writes/performs/teaches and/or is in the public eye. It's a good advertising tool - gets lots of followers with a click of a button. I just choose not to clutter my incoming mail. - Danaa
Point is - I can't possibly follow all these people, and get anything done. Every day there are hundreds of very interesting articles published by eminent and useful writers. If I had all the time in the world I'd read them all. As it is, due to this little handicap called "human-ness", I have to limit the information that reaches me. - Danaa
As I said, if I was a celebrtrity with 100,000 followers I'd probably use Twitter also, as hordes and multitudes care deeply what shade lipstick to wear for Monday. Or, if I was Phil Weiss, I'd definitely want to advertise today's articles - be it twitter or facebook or whatever. But as it is I am not one of them and just at the moment I don't seek advertisement of whatever products or information I offer. That may change when the circumstances do. - Danaa
Walmart loves Twitter too! - Danaa
And yes, so do quadzillion teenagers the world over trying to organize friday's party. Too bad no one invites me to those any more (not being a teenager is a serious handicap! if I could change that I would...believe it or not). - Danaa
Sorry to nag you about Twitter -- I tend to lecture and sermonize when I take a shine to a tool. :) I like Twitter precisely because it is a clutter reducer when it is wielded properly, with deft filtering. - Sean McBride
Mondoweiss on Friendfeed
Director of Israeli Aerospace Institute Conducts Campaign Disabling My Facebook Account -
You are reading the blog of a dangerous man.  A very dangerous man.  Or so the Israeli pro-war propaganda machine believes.  That’s why yesterday, an Israeli Facebook user named Tal Inbar began a campaign to get my Facebook account removed.  Here is what he published in Hebrew: בואו נדבר לרגע על ריצ’ארד סילברסטיין. היהודי האנטי […]
I think think we should all support Silverstein on this. I just dropped him a note of encouragement. You just know that this is only the beginning of the attacks on facebook. Twitter may be next! - Danaa
Always with the censorship, the attacks on free speech. Mark Zuckerberg should put his weight behind protecting free speech on Facebook, particularly when the pressure is coming from this quarter. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Why are Israel-supporting Jews in the music industry staying silent? - Music & Theater Israel News | Haaretz -
"While anti-Israel sentiment is being voiced loudly and publicly, pro-Israel Jews in the entertainment industry are staying mainly silent." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
Simple - they are embarrassed. - Danaa
Sean McBride
Greg Mitchell: NBC now says 30 dead in the strikes on camp and hospital and IDs Israel as culprit (despite Israel's usual denials).
Check out MoA - there's an update on NBC's page. It is now reduced to "claims".... - Danaa
Sean McBride
Max Keiser: Collective welling up of emotion as millions of Americans suddenly realize Israel has made them complicit in a holocaust-for-condos scheme
Max Keiser is the best. i can't stop laughing when I watch his program on RT (luckily I get that channel. Wonder for how much longer). he is aborn and bred comedian - when he gets going, it's the best show out there, especially as he doesn't mince words. - Danaa
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Destruction of Gaza’s children is something ‘every one of us must confront’ — Jon Snow -
Jon Snow of Channel 4 demonstrates what it means to bear witness to atrocities in Gaza. Our governments are not interested. People must take action, and "that in the end is the greatest hope that the people in Gaza have." Will he endorse BDS?
Better question----when will people demand the use of force to remove Israel from Palestine's land? Its going to take force. - American
I posted a comment on MW, but not sure it will pass moderation. I suggested it may be time for a 60's style march on Washington to unite and fight our corrupt government and tax dollars for war crimes. What do you think? - weareone
If you posted a softball like that surely they'll post it but it's hardly original . - Chu_ from Android
One calling for force. Another for a march. Me, I just call for more boycott, coupled with public shaming. Hold every Jewish person you know anywhere accountable for gaza, and let them know so. - Danaa
Here are some tools that probably few of us are using: Facebook - where we advertise to friends and family the goings on. Twitter, for those who use it. Instagram to spread the pictures. Comment: this is effective, the more jewish people you actually know and/or are connected to. - Danaa
Think about it - if one is not willing to use one's own Facebook (including those who just have it to say hi to the far flung kids et al once in a while) to call attention to Gaza, how effective or how daring will one be in real life? - Danaa
Sean, for example, said on many occasions that he has and had met great people who were jewish. Do they know his stand on the issue of Israel? Gaza? do they share it? if he hasn't (say, to keep the relationships smooth and unencumbered), why not? - Danaa
Chu, does it have to be original to be effective? I'm not concerned about originality. These marches bring worldwide (especially American citizens, who are perhaps the most uninformed) attention to this issue. Change has to occur at the grassroots first. - weareone
Danaa, I agree with you on BDS, as one prong of the attack but the flow of US tax dollars to Israel must be ended also. For that to happen, Americans will have to protest en masse. - weareone
I am all for a march on Washington, if there was a way to organize it. But before we can get together a "Million people march", we would have to find a way to get across to more people what is going on in Gaza. The main media outlets are not exactly helping and most people do not read altternative media simply because they don't read. I am thinking that one of the things we can all do... more... - Danaa
I have the same sense of many of the commenters on MW also. I could not agree with you more on speaking frankly to others about issues of concern to us. I have never had a problem with that, although I try to be respectful of differing opinions. - weareone
There are many organizations that might be interested in considering a march such as: BDS, American Islamic Committee for Woman and Child; Jewish Voice for Peace; Arab American Forum Neturei Karta, Palestine Right to Return Coalition and many others. Some of these organizations have been involved with organizing rallies in various parts of the world. - weareone
weareone - who are you on MW? - Chu_
Chu, I have the same name on MW. - weareone
thanks for validation. never know. - Chu_
Thanks for checking. - weareone
does it have to be original to be effective? - we'll no, and actually NYC just marched, San Fran and Chicago. Chicago seemed the biggest [a pro Israeli was busted for a a gun]. These local rallies will certainly wind up in DC. People despise killing innocent victims (and don't forget all the men of Gaza that people want to leave out of equation). Israel is a warped project at this... more... - Chu_
'' I suggested it may be time for a 60's style march on Washington to unite and fight our corrupt government and tax dollars for war crimes. What do you think? - weareone)...I agree. A BIG march.. - American
Thanks American. I agree- it would have to be huge to shake the criminals up. - weareone
Chomsky has a new article replying to his critics in THE NATION.
One of his main points is that the situation inside the Green Line is not comparable to South Africa. However, he actually repeatedly said the opposite in his 2004 article with Safundi, for example noting: "In fact, even the legal conditions would be very familiar in apartheid South Africa". - WJones
He also repeatedly talks down to the activists and repeats how he has taken this position for 50 years. - WJones
And he repeats his claim, in disagreement with Hostage, about the baselessness of the Right of Return in international law. - WJones
Shouldn't everyone be able to agree at this point that Noam Chomsky is an Israeli op and a left gatekeeper? Certainly he is not a fully objective and impartial observer and analyst on matters concerning Jewish nationalism. - Sean McBride
Poor Chomsky, that piece in the Nation was hardly his best. In fact, if you read it, pretending you didn't know it was Chomsky that wrote it, you would think it's a graduate student somewhere, working on a thesis titled "how to obscure one's position while maintaining it is crystal clear". Did I just say "dissembling"? "obfuscating"? - Danaa
If he is an op he has to be extremely deep, because they would not even let him into their country the last time he tried to go. However he is a left gatekeeper. His latest NATION reply article I cited has the style of someone replying to an email, where you intersperse answers with block quotes, so Danaa correctly portrayed his style in the article. - WJones
Didnt he begin his career as a settler just after the Nakba ? Does he not operate solely in Jews only activist groups? He describes himself as a Jewish anarchist , dont we know what they did in Spain , burning the churches killing priests nuns, but skipping the synagogues ? Maybe he doesnt see himself as an ethnic activist but thats just self deception, especially common in the elderly. - bilal associates
yeah poor chomsky. The guy revealed his zionist bend in one article. he talks a good game about peace and all, but will tell others to piss-off when it comes to BDS. hey Jones, do you have links to his investments that he profits from re Israel? I saw something this weekend you posted about that, but I don't recall seeing any links. - Chu_
Here is an article defending Chomsky's investment in TIAA The false dillemma the article defending him gives is that one must either invest in TIAA or move to a hut in the woods. The real alternative to both is "socially responsible investing". There really are funds that do that. - WJones
Sean McBride
Greg Mitchell: Horrid: Israeli official admits Hamas did not kill 3 teens--which set off this crisis--but rather an unknown "cell."
Who was controlling that "cell"? Was it an op? Whose op? - Sean McBride
Sean, that is exactly the right question. I pointed out before (elsewhere) that this whole business of the "kidnapped" Israelis was a new form of False Flag attack, one where the perpetrator(s) get trapped/killed along with their victims. Using a "rogue" cell, which possibly was an Israeli-controlled outlet into Hebron, was exactly how they would do it. The teens were just a convenient target of opportunity. To Israelis planning these kind of "operations" they were expandable. - Danaa
I've had these thoughts since the killing of the Fogel family. Interesting how that case was open and shut. No interviews with the killers, no court appearances that anyone could read about. - Danaa
Frankly, the main question I have in mind is the "how". What are the methods used to direct the "loose canons" which Israel keeps on hand for a "rainy day". - Danaa
More false Flags - the killing of the theatre director in Jenin. The kidnapping and murder of the Italian activist in Gaza by a "salafist cell" that has strangely managed to find its way into Gaza. The aims in all these cases was different, no doubt, but ain each and every case, the aftermath gave the clues for the purpose. - Danaa
The Mer Khamis case was considered a FF by those close to the theatre. - WJones
In some cases, I am willing to go as far as a "botched" or a "failed" False Flag. And I don't mean just in Israel. I happen to believe that the MH370 disappeared aircraft was along those lines. But no, I can't figure out yet the "whys" of what happened. - Danaa
Mer kamis - thanks for the name. Yes, it's interesting that the killer was never found, though apparently seen by the car's other passenger. Probably melted into the Israeli security/mossad apparatus. - Danaa
Which gets us to the truly disturbing case - the MH17. If, as seems to be the case, this was indeed a FF, perpetrated by the Kiev regime, then they must have had some logistics and planning support from the US. If so, the real question is whether this was a "failed" FF or a successful one. Reading MoA posts helps clarify a few things. However, if it is a successful FF (the purpose of... more... - Danaa
1/3 of the passengers were AIDS researchers. - WJones
# sort known Israeli false flag ops by 1. importance 2. name 3. newest 4. oldest - Sean McBride
# sort suspected Israeli false flag ops by 1. importance 2. name 3. newest 4. oldest - Sean McBride
Danaa -- the world media (not just the Israeli media and American mainstream media) need to investigate the kidnapping story with full force since it was the trigger for the latest massacres in Gaza. If they fail to investigate the story carefully, suspicions about a possible false flag angle on it will continue to grow. - Sean McBride
One gets the impression that Israel has become so addicted to using false flag ops in the normal course of business that it can't stop -- even when those ops may place Israel in jeopardy. It is a nearly impossible habit to break, like cigarette smoking or gambling. One does it because one can, because it is easy to do, because one has done it many time in the past, because one is wired to behave this way. - Sean McBride
I see the AIDS angle on the MH17 shootdown as possessing no special significance. - Sean McBride
MH17 is one of those events that can be a significant waypoint on the path towards a world war. We know which group in the world is most seething with desire to instigate such a war: neoconservatives. They are always on the lookout for a New Pearl Harbor, rubbing their hands together in gleeful anticipation of the blood to be spilled. - Sean McBride
Sean, scroll through MoA comments from Yesterday (I think) and check out petri krohn's comment. He is always a good one. I remember him from the Syria Chemical attack FF - he was right on the money as later events and investigations proved. It's that comment that got me thinking - may be it wasn't a "failed" FF (as in, the plane was supposed to crash on the Russian side and the... more... - Danaa
That scenario has a plausible ring to it. - Sean McBride
"War as a solution" - since the "problem" is big, the "solution" must be big. Our friends in their think tanks and Bilderberg gatherings are thinking "big" thoughts. Which makes me wonder - just how "big" the "problem" is, and what do TPTB know that we don't. I think we should think along the lines of "if 298 people are worth sacrificing - including this many westerners, what is the problem that this is supposed to "solve"?. - Danaa
I know that one line of thought has all these "war mongers", our neocon friends around the world, as dense "thinkers", who can't see straight through their convoluted ideologies. But not all of them are thick-headed, and this doesn't account for the lock-step march towards insanity we see on the part of so many Europeans. It can't just be zionism, or peak oil, global warming or the... more... - Danaa
With regard to all political policies, no matter how bizarre or mysterious, always ask: who profits? Follow the money to the top of the food chain. And that social chain is indeed graphable and decipherable with semantic markup -- just collect all the relevant facts and put them in order. - Sean McBride
Danaa -- a few categories I use to sort out the people relevant to this issue: 1. anti-Russia activist 2. Iran War ringleader 3. Iraq War ringleader 4. Jewish neoconservative 5. liberal Zionist 6. Libya War ringleader 7. neoconservative 8. pro-Israel activist 9. pro-Ukraine activist 10. Syria War ringleader - Sean McBride
There are hundreds (or thousands) more categories to help bring precision to this analysis. - Sean McBride
Sean, I am still looking for root causes as a way of getting to the intended outcomes. Always on a quest for the fundamental laws of nature (and nurture). The categories to me are basically sign posts and right at the moment I'm into digging for the seeds. The categories will, in due course make for good fertlizer, while some provide food for thought on what does and doesn't make for successful grafts (am obviously on a horticulture project right now). - Danaa
When the spirit moves you, please share some of your discoveries along this path. - Sean McBride
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Curious observation: several Israeli publications -- including Israel National News, The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz -- create enormous problems in my Web browser (Firefox) -- and often crash it.
One assumes that some parties wouldn't be foolish enough to use those publications to try to load spyware or malware on the systems of visitors. - Sean McBride
The crashes have sometimes happened to mine when I used their sites too. Why do you say they wouldn't load malware? - WJones
If leading Israeli publications were caught loading spyware and/or malware on the systems of visitors -- possibly selected visitors on a list -- at the behest of the Israeli government (say, Mossad) -- that would be very damaging for the reputation of those publications. Why would they risk it? - Sean McBride
Because they are instructed to or are infiltrated. It would not really be so surprising, you know. - WJones
Their country may not have the same "safeguards" about that kind of thing like we are supposed to in the US. - WJones
Here is how the game would work: the Israeli government, as part of its global cyberwarfare efforts, is collecting detailed data on critics of Israel worldwide, including email addresses and IP numbers. It would be a simple matter to deliver spyware and malware payloads to selected visitors on any website under its control. There is no doubt that this is already happening on quite a few websites. - Sean McBride
A sidenote: many Israeli websites rank among the worst-designed in the world -- massively overloaded with crap -- advertising, popups, etc. In an effort to ram advertising down the throats of visitors, they may be accidentally gumming up your browser. I go out of my way now not to visit these sites, unless certain articles look especially interesting. I invariably have to reboot my system after visiting them. - Sean McBride
I ran Malwarebytes on my system after visiting Israel National News and, yup -- it found a new piece of Trojan spyware that wasn't on my system yesterday. - Sean McBride
As mentioned before, it is a safe bet that the Israeli government has been using loyal assets within organizations like Google, Facebook and Microsoft to spy on and run ops against people on its very long enemies list. It wouldn't be surprising to learn that Israel has access to Google's entire private dataset -- including searches and email. - Sean McBride
c; pro-Israel activist+*organization employee - Sean McBride
Israel is probably going after the private digital data of the *family members* of leading American government officials and politicians -- not to mention the private digital data of the officials and politicians themselves. - Sean McBride
Would they take an interest in, say, Phil Weiss's wife? You bet. - Sean McBride
((I invariably have to reboot my system after visiting them.)) LOL. <>RUN PROGRAM?: AUTO YES <> PROGRAM RUNNING... <>INSTALL ON RESTART?: AUTO YES - WJones
Beware. Also beware of any unsolicited email messages which may contain links leading to sites that deliver spyware and malware payloads. Pro-Israel activists are extremely active and aggressive in running these kinds of ops. - Sean McBride
YES.....any Isr related site or org would bug you. In 2004 I sent a 'inquiry' to JINSA, it had a loaded question in it that they can see wasnt Isr friendly. JINSA replied to my mail and tried to insert a virus into it....luckily my mail system flagged it as dangerous and I didnt open it. But yes indeed they do try. - American
I think we should, as a default option, assume the worst about any and all Israeli publications, systems and products. We could count on them keeping a complete database on all MW visitors, with a special tag on commenters. I wouldn't be surprised if they have an individual assigned to groups of commentors, eg, one assigned follower to every group of three. Then they monitor (since they... more... - Danaa
One common Category grouping is Mondoweiss/moonofalabama. Anyone who visits both of those sites on a regular basis is flagged for "follow". You can easily imagine the rest of the tags. - Danaa
What could they do with all this information? well, for one, if they succeeded in inserting malware (chances are high they did), they could bring huge numbers of computers to 'crash", say right around an event they did not want to see surface. They could also do damage in people's workplaces, banks and travel. It will be possible to "insert" malicious detail in one's background, causing... more... - Danaa
What options do we have? none really. Encrypting e mail is a good idea but at the moment it can really take the fun out of communication. Perhaps the only option is to go about our lives assuming they are an open book to malicious entities (more than one, really). One obvious conclusion of something one can do for example, is to change bank accounts every few months (if one does much shopping on-line) , and/or keep multiple accounts, none of which has too much in it. On the flip side - what a bother! - Danaa
Danaa -- that private digital data can be used in much scarier (and more ingenious) ways than you have mentioned (and possibly imagined). - Sean McBride
Not to be mysterious about this: that private data can be used to uncover vulnerabilities and weaknesses in individuals that can be exploited in a wide variety of sinister ways. There are entire departments in some intelligence services that are devoted to refining the state of the art for these kinds of operations -- they occur in the real world on a regular basis -- they are not simply the stuff of spy fiction. - Sean McBride
Sean, I understand all that about "exploiting vulnerabilities". However, I was referring in my imagined scenarios to those individuals (quite a few Id imagine) who have no particular interest in porn, have not undergone recent messy divorce, do not keep an over-the-top mistress/mister locked in a posh apartment, have never pimped, taken hard drugs, embezzled or plagiarized. The gay... more... - Danaa
Danaa -- blackmail threats and public scandals are two powerful tools to wield in dark politics -- even more powerful is using private digital data to manipulate people, organizations, groups and situations *without the knowledge of the targets* -- ever -- not even after the ops have been successfully accomplished. Private digital data creates a wealth of opportunities for designing ops of that type -- for getting deeply inside the heads and immediate social worlds of targets -- with complete invisibility. - Sean McBride
There are much worse things one can do to people than killing or torturing them or destroying their reputations. And those things can be done without the knowledge of the target. - Sean McBride
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Max Blumenthal: MSNBC just ID'ed @rulajebreal as "Palestinian journalist." So will they ID @EliLake as "Jewish American journalist"?
We should start clearly labeling all journalists in the American mainstream media who are lobbying for various causes -- including Jewish nationalism. Some of them are nothing but full-time propagandists for the Israeli government. - Sean McBride
Add three lanes. One that doesn't lobby at all, some that are part time, some that are full time. Jeffery Goldberg, Krauthammer, could be full time. Also a lane for those that advocate against lobby, like Steve Walt,etc - Chu_
With semantic markup one can get all these facts in order very quickly and then query them and revolve them around in your mind in interesting ways. It's all about carefully crafted category/instance pairs. - Sean McBride
I use a few thousand categories for describing players in the IP conflict -- and many more combinations of those categories. Danaa, I think, said she was satisfied with around five categories -- we are still not communicating about these issues :) -- we're talking past one another. - Sean McBride
I am still interested in the fundamental philosophical levels (the roots). It's my gig. Yours may be the branches that may spread into a canopy of "category/instance pairs". To each their own? - Danaa
I am saying that we probably don't yet understand each other's concepts and terminology -- which is good -- there is room for mutual discovery there. Perhaps we both have useful complementary ideas that can be integrated. - Sean McBride
Well, the lazy folks will never lead the parade --they will just fall in behind and be led. - Sean McBride
True. So here is my lecture to people. If you arent 'personally' speaking truth to power--as in personally calling the "powers' to express your outrage, opposition to Isr'merica, your opposition to any politicans that support it----then you arent a serious person. People like that are just using this Isr-P/I-US issue for academic.religious and intellectual games and excerise, as a hobby, in which they can generate conversations and demonstrate their knowledge and opinions. - American
Knowledge without action is useless. This is a habit commenters on their cause fall into. If everyone who comments on Isr on boards across the net made a call to their politicans at the same time and as often as they comment the US Isr problem would be solved by popular demand and outrage. - American
1 877 762 8762 ---- Congress - American
Don't be unfair, American. sean was just responding to my comment expressing exasperation with the laziness of the masses. I consider people who are at least motivated enough to say, read something like MW or MoA to be that much further ahead on the scale of "Immense laziness". Those who comment are a step further and those who act by say, writing to their reps, participating in some... more... - Danaa
I know that Sean sometimes resorts to lectury style. I'm sure he is working on that tendency. We need everyone we can have on-board, and having food-fights among us over style, misstatement, occasional outburst, etc are just the kind of diversions TPTB feed on. - Danaa
My issue continues to be not unlike yours - how can the people be woken up, short of a major disaster? they (TPTB) have ALL the MSM, ALL the money and ALL the influece. I see them rolling out the "Blame Russia" gavel-to-gavel accusation over the downing of MH17 and I shudder. hardly a flutter to disturb their tsunami of mis-information and propaganda. Even worse with gaza. - Danaa
WJones I think is doing a good job acting and informing and debating within the Christian community he knows. I am glad to see you, American, are in the midst of a writing campaign. I know a few others who do more. Can you imagine how much more could even just a few of us if we had serious money behind us? Why, we could hire some interns to send letter bombs, start initiatives, shadow reps etc etc. - Danaa
Which leads to a question - do you happen to have a good link to the State department? I guess I could google but i know you have the contacts handy. - Danaa
'' Don't be unfair, American...Danaa).....There is nothing "unfair' about it. And my lecture was to everyone, not Sean specifically. I have posted this 'lecture' on 7 blogs so far between my faxs to Reid and Peliso on why my 168 democrats are leaving the party over Israel. Do'ers do what they can from where they are, some are in a position to do more than others but everyone... more... - American
The State Department has no public comment line. You have to call the 'country desk" at the State Dept of the country you want to ask a question about or comment on. - American
American -- I appreciate your lecture and agree with it. But I am pretty much convinced at this point that American politicians respond only to MONEY -- large sums of it. That is the political "activism" that gets their attention. And few of us are in the financial league of the oligarchs (billionaires and hectomillionaires) who own and control the Democratic and Republican Parties, the mainstream media and the leading policy centers. - Sean McBride
That leaves the Internet as one powerful way to oppose them -- and I do think it has having some impact -- with the potential for much more impact in the future. - Sean McBride
congress has a 15% approval. They are whores to big capitol and oligarchs. "More than one in five say replacing all members is best way to fix it" - Chu_
Phil Weiss posted this today on MW: - Sean McBride
"My colleague, Matt Frei, tweeted that CNN’s Wolf Blitzer interview with Netanyahu was less a grilling more “a warm bath and a back rub”. Others used more profane metaphors." - Sean McBride
"But now, for the first time in a major Arab-Israeli conflict, the American public has other sources of reality. All research says that young people everywhere regard Twitter as essentially a news service, and via your social network you can easily get served up words and pictures more impactful than anything on TV. By the time many Americans woke up on Sunday, these pictures were of dead Palestinian children." - Sean McBride
"Netanyahu complained the Hamas strategy was to provide “telegenically dead” people: but where Israel is losing the hearts and minds of the world is not via “tele” anything: it is in the JPEGs that stream into millions of people’s mobile phones every time they glance at the object in the palm of their hand." - Sean McBride
Twitter has proven its worth as a tool for the masses imo---the msm is in for a run for their money---in their disinfo and propaganda for Isr. One of the most illuminating things is how it reveals the crudeness and hatred of the Isr crowd in their tweets . 90% of them are on the level of psychopathic teenagers. - American
Sean McBride
GarethPorter: Senate 100-0 vote parroting Israeli view on Gaza shd be wake-up call: US Congress is controlled by a foreign power.
You go Gareth. - ChasMark
PS Sean & Danaa, re your comments elsewhere regarding the money disadvantage we the unwashed enjoy -- Gareth Porter's book, "Manufactured Crisis," was written & published through a Kickstart program initiated by Helena Cobban. Cobban started her own publishing company & has published & marketed Miko Peled, Chas Freeman, & a book about life & cuisine in Gaza, among other titles. - ChasMark
good that Porter is making it about subservience to a foreign power. Let people know how dark reality is. - Chu_
ChasMark, my complete respects to Helena Cobban. May she live long and prosper, and the books she is helping publish are a breath of fresh air (Plus I may need her help in the not too distant future for just that purpose). I know there are ways to raise money for specific projects and purposes. But that's not what I was decrying. It's that we, on the left side of the I/P issues (using... more... - Danaa
Go Porter! more such Twits and i might actually get me a little account.... - Danaa
Twitter lets you scan the best summary thoughts of the best minds on any topic in just a few minutes. I've been hooked for quite some time now -- I love the efficiency. - Sean McBride
ChasMark -- thanks for that background info on the Porter book -- enlightening indeed. This is the way forward in challenging the establishment -- by exploiting the Internet by every possible means. If you think about it, it's a form of guerrilla and asymmetric warfare in the information realm. - Sean McBride
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This group will soon have to go permanently private thanks to the efforts of pepsi and JustTheFactsPlease to harass, vandalize and disrupt it.
That will seriously damage and cripple the group since only the current 419 subscribers will be able to read or contribute to it. - Sean McBride
It is difficult to understand why pepsi and JustTheFactsPlease continue to engage in this antisocial and malicious behavior -- I have never seen anything like it in my experience on the Internet. Why aren't they focusing on developing their own group? - Sean McBride
Chu, American and others here -- see if you can persuade them to back off and leave the group alone. They are not welcome here. - Sean McBride
Because pepsi and JTFP are far from interested in developing their "own" ideas. They came here as agents provocateurs, taking on personas of neo-something-or-other, not as "debaters". These personas they've taken on has not worn thin and it's getting more difficult to milk it by sucking people into engagement. So they can now only resort to disruption - peppering the feed with unwanted... more... - Danaa
FF is unfortunately a fertile ground for this kind of operation because posters cannot be easily banned - that's the achhiles heel of the site. - Danaa
As for those 419 subscribers, the majority are probably in the business of selling something or vacuming up data for business purposes. The subset who actually post here is very small. - Danaa
When you wrote OT, Danaa I thought you meant Old Testament. - WJones
The paucity of people interested in posting continues to be a big puzzle. Even for those who are content to live within the posting restrictions on MW, I still can't believe they don't have more to say and/or are not desirous in engaging with other posters. I'm still of the opinion that in large part it's the interface. As much as it may work for say, Sean, or others, it just doesn't... more... - Danaa
WJ - you are funny - didn't catch my "pun" from yesterday? oh yes, it was probably gone when pepsi's comment was. I think it was something along the lines of "prefer to stick to OT so please keep off the OT". - Danaa
One of the things Sean has a hard time with is to see why humans who are not him may find this interface a bit off-putting. Just as they do Twitter. I do wish there was a way to develop the interface at least presentation wise, perhaps with some option keys. Plus adding the ability to ban specific posters while keeping the group public is an absolute must, IMO. No way can a topic as... more... - Danaa
Danaa -- I am using Mondoweiss (the blog platform) and Friendfeed in parallel -- and for me, FF blows away MW (and all blog platforms) as a communications tool. I guess our brains are wired differently in a fundamental way -- not in a better or worse way -- just in different ways. - Sean McBride
I think many people who take an initial glance at Friendfeed never manage or bother to figure out its more advanced features. It is truly a power tool for social communications. It's a many-to-many communications model -- omnidirectional -- not one-to-many. Blogs are basically old school media platforms. - Sean McBride
Apparently those marketers you mentioned haven't discovered GFTG -- it has 13 subscribers. - Sean McBride
Danaa -- regarding Twitter -- you've probably noticed quite a few tweets turning up in this group -- some of them quite valuable, from high-quality sources. Smart people do in fact use Twitter. - Sean McBride
Note to Sean about marketers - they had over 250 subscribers, almost right of the bat. many the same as in this feed, very few commenting (just the ones we know). Then they went private and now that they emerge it's only 13. I have been following the trends, and I don't think it's accidental. - Danaa
Point about twitter - it's not about "smarts" - many use twitter if they are in the public eye because they have to - it's become a short-cut megaphone. I don't follow anyone and have no intention to. Too much clutter. - Danaa
Again, your comments reflect what you WANT to see from people, not what there is. Fact is, WJones invited people to this feed numerous times as have you. If they came and looked they were obviously not enticed to comment, for whatever reason. I am suggesting the interface, at first glance is not what lots of humans - those used to comment that is - find attractive. The whys are of... more... - Danaa
I happen to think FF can make a good mirror site - a Meta agency where a main blog AND the commenters on it can be discussed. Fact is, people continue to post on MW despite the drawbacks, the moderation, the time lag etc. I can only conclude that those who do comment there, have reasons and one of the reasons is to have their comments be seen by the largest possible number of people.... more... - Danaa
Another point - now that pepsi has deigned to actually interject with something "On-topic" though not exactly in depth: yes, there is a likelihood that the people MW appeals to are primarily jewish. That's how it is. They prefer to discuss things in a relatively 'safe" and sanctioned - Jewish anti-zionist site, whicvh, while radical, does not run the danger of inflammatory comments from... more... - Danaa
Danaa -- Twitter search cuts through the clutter -- it automatically pushes the most influential (and usually the most valuable) tweets to the top. Ditto for Topsy. There is no faster or more efficient way to skim off the most important new stories and articles in most fields. That is why thought and opinion leaders use it heavily. - Sean McBride
My guess is that FF's format is fine, and that doesnt deter them to the extent Danaa says, although yes it could be better. The issue is more likely that they just want to comment directly on MW rather than on a third party site. Thats what put me off for a long time- FF just seemed extra, and posting on MW was all I needed. The thing that pushed me over was more that i wanted a more... more... - WJones
The main point to focus on here is that all individuals should be proactive in using all available Internet tools to build communications networks with whatever combinations of people they like and which will advance their aims. Don't be passive. - Sean McBride
the #1 drive for most humans is laziness. I would never underestimate the significance of that factor. After all, passivity is what the PTB exploit day in, day out. - Danaa
Well, the lazy folks will never lead the parade --they will just fall in behind and be led. - Sean McBride
Keith and Chomsky.
“Do you think it’s is a good idea to push the idea of divestment from Israel…?” Chomsky replied: “I regard the United States as the primary guilty party here, for the past 30 years" - WJones
AMERICAN- “Chomsky is the only one I am familiar with that dishonestly promotes it as “strictly” the US’s fault.” KEITH: "Chomsky says no such thing, yet you and other Mondoweiss commenters continue to misrepresent him at every opportunity." - WJones
No matter WJ. Let it go - - Chomsky is not that important.... - Danaa
Danaa -- a rare disagreement: - Sean McBride
Since Noam Chomsky has encouraged disciples like Norman Finkelstein, Hostage, Keith and Dan Crowther to deflect attention from the preeminent role of the Israel lobby (and the Jewish lobby within the Israel lobby) in hijacking American Mideast policy since the 1940s, perhaps it is a matter of some importance to thoroughly refute Chomsky and Chomskyites on this issue. - Sean McBride
Liberal and progressive Zionists like Dennis Ross and Noam Chomsky have basically been protecting the Israel lobby from scrutiny and effective challenge, and, as a result, they have been helping to enable the ongoing status quo with regard to Israeli (and Likud) domination of the American political system. - Sean McBride
One has no doubt that Dennis Ross and Aaron David Miller have been engaging in witting and deliberate deception with regard to their supposed commitment to the peace process, the two-state solution and liberal values. Noam Chomsky may have been playing the same game all along -- although from a more hard left position. Chomsky makes no sense on the issue of Zionist power in American... more... - Sean McBride
There are dozens of reputable historians and political scientists who are more reliable on the history of Zionism, Israel and American Mideast policy than Noam Chomsky -- their agenda rises above the level of narrow tribalism. Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer are two good examples. They deal in empirical facts -- Chomsky deals in vague and unsupported generalities -- grand theories (recycled Marxism) about how the world allegedly works. - Sean McBride
Marxism is fine as a grand theory. However Chomsky should know better about things he says about IP (like whether the lobby is small or not) whether one accepts Marxism or not. - WJones
For what it's worth, he plays a lead role in N. Finkelstein's thinking as his stated main mentor. N.F.'s rant about BDS as a cult made a major disruption in Solidarity circles. - WJones
Were it not for Chomsky, maybe NF would not have been as dedicated to IP, so Chomsky played a good role in that. But alternately, Chomsky played a negative role in affecting NF's views on BDS, the ROR. - WJones
There is a by now well-established pattern of Jewish critics of Israel from the left engaging in shifty maneuvers that aid and abet the Israeli and Zionist right -- often through evasive and obfuscatory rhetoric and word games. The term "liberal Zionists" (which is an oxymoron justly inviting ridicule) nicely describes these folks collectively. - Sean McBride
# set; anti-Noam Chomsky * 1. articles 2. authors 3. books 4. publications 5. quotes 6. videos 7. websites - Sean McBride
^ Fill in the blanks. - Sean McBride
WEIRDNESS ABOUT CHOMSKY ON THE SERBIA CONFLICT: ((Chomsky strikes a pose of criticizing Western leaders for (supposedly) giving the Albanian secessionists insufficient support when they were (supposedly) nonviolent and (supposedly) inciting Serbian fanaticism with reckless bombing. So he is supporting NATO's line to a T, while posturing as the bitter critic of NATO. )) SEE: - WJones
((I had two email exchanges with Chomsky concerning Milosevic and the Serbs. The first was during the 1999 NATO bombing. I wrote asking Chomsky to speak at one of the weekly anti-war rallies I was helping organize in Boston... Chomsky replied that he was booked-up for the indeterminate future. )) QUOTE FROM ABOVE. Also: 'NATO is wrong to be bombing those Serbian monsters.' ~Chomsky. - WJones
Corbett Report: "Chomsky, Academic Gatekeeper": This is very in depth. His book Manufactured Consent says that propaganda is essential to Democracy. - WJones
I have my reasons for turning away from Chomsky as lynchpin for gatekeepers. The reasons all have to do with tactics. I just happen to think that taking Chomsky on directly will not pay dividends. It can and has become a distraction from the larger goals of BDS as an all-inclusive grass-roots movement. People spend enormous amounts of passion and brain-power on Chomsky, energy that... more... - Danaa
As for barely perceptible contempt, I noticed that hearing the word Palestinians' "Return" causes the same reaction in Chomsky as the word "Palestinians" does in some hard core nationalists. - WJones
Chomsky is a sharp writer and perceptive propaganda exposers. Yet all his sharpness and smarts did not save him from falling victim to one of the oldest propaganda rackets in the world - that of the "chosen people". Deep at heart many of the best and brightest believe it and sometimes can't help but let on to that belief. certainly Chomsky does when he holds on to the myth of a "Jewish... more... - Danaa
To be fair, Chomsky did not openly advocate for a nationalist state, but for a divided, bi-nationalistic anarchist society there that I would consider prone to inequality and "formally equal" segregation. - WJones
I agree w Danaa. A pure Jewish state (excessively violent) in the Arab world ain't gonna work. Or survive. Imagine a violent ethnic group taking over Oklahoma. Think of how the neighboring states would respond. It's poisonous. - Chu_ from Android
This is now my inner Marc Ellis speaking - the other kind of prophet, the one from the latter day Spinoza school. I said in the other thread how much I despised tmost of the OT. But that's only one side of the story. The other side is that one needs to know one's OT to know the enemy - in fact it's all there. It was there when god through Shmuel recommended that the jews stay away from... more... - Danaa
And that's where Chomsky walks in - he can't see just how awful the seed of evil is in Israel. he believes that there is, somewhere, a "better" israel, one with "better" jewish and perhaps universal values. But in that he is being like the august follower of the corrupt rabbis and temple priests of old. he fails to see that he is still caught up in worshipping a golden calf, made of smarts (Ignoring the fly in the ointment, which is the gold in this case). - Danaa
I am not sure I am making myself clear, especially not with regard to a very cofflicted attitude towards the OT. Right now, having denigraded it and all the prophets within it, I wouldn't mind at all if I could get Chomsky to re-read the story of Joshua - in the original, without the ornamentation and the gentility imparted by latter day translators. The story of joshua, in all its... more... - Danaa
I think Gilad Atzmon will understand (well, I know he does....) - Danaa
# set; Noam Chomsky * on AIPAC 1. articles 2. books 3. paragraphs 4. quotes 5. remarks 6. sentences - Sean McBride
You won't be able to turn up much -- I know -- I've tried. Those are close to empty sets. - Sean McBride
# topics that Noam Chomsky would prefer not to discuss 1. ADL 2. AIPAC 3. AJC 4. Birthright Israel 5. Chabad-Luvavitch 6. Commentary 7. Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations 8. David Project 9. Haim Saban 10. Israel Project 11. JINSA 12. MEMRI 13. neoconservatives 14. NJDC 15. PNAC 16. RJC 17. Sheldon Adelson 18. Stand With Us 19. WJC 20. ZOA - Sean McBride
When Noam Chomsky blames the United States for Israel's behavior, one wonders if what if he really has in mind is the Big Goy in Washington. The usual us vs. them biblical meme -- the chosen people vs. the nations. - Sean McBride
The primary guilty party in law is called the "principle". The party helping and supporting him is called the accomplice. The US is not the "primary guilty party. - WJones
principle > principal - Sean McBride
Thread closed. Too bad. I was having a nice talk with keith. - WJones
Keith opened up again. He is a bit unreasonable because he cant understand why someone on an IP blog would criticize Chomsky more than Chas Freeman, when they have two quite different backgrounds and circumstances: - WJones
I saw that -- what I was thinking was that Chas Freeman and Stephen Walt are much better informed on IP issues than Noam Chomsky. - Sean McBride
I often don't bother engaging in debates on MW these days because the turnarounds on comments are much too slow. Not worth the effort. I like thoughts to move fast, while they are hot. - Sean McBride
TEAR-STAINED UZI: “it’s frustrating that he provides cover now for PEPs.” KEITH: Curious, how expressing an honest opinion on certain aspects of BDS can be considered as providing cover for PEPs. link to Hello, Keith. In his interview with Frank Barat (Part 4/4), Chomsky said “It’s 100 times times worse in the US, or in England, or anyplace else you talk about” and... more... - WJones
WJ -- you have made strong comments in this discussion on MW -- and easily won the debate from my perspective. - Sean McBride
Yeah well the other side of the debate is pretty weak- trying to say the Chomsky supports BDS, doesn't downplay the Lobby, and is consistent about calling it Apartheid. - WJones
The Chomskyites have major blind spots on certain issues. When you probe them, their minds shut down. They are trying to protect their grand theory of how the world works -- the discussion quickly becomes mired down in their emotional and ego issues. - Sean McBride
Jones. Here's a chomsky thread on JSF. - Chu_ from Android
Chomsky is not really a Marxist as it might appear to you, Sean. The Marxist position and ideal would be to put religious divisions in the past. That's why the "Orthodox" Marxists didn't demand an Israeli state. Chomsky on the other hand followed the nationalistic socialist trend, like Martin Buber, which divided society on the basis of religion. At first glance I can understand that... more... - WJones
I didn't say Chomsky was a Marxist -- I said he was recycling some elements of Marxism -- and that his style of thinking is quite Marxist -- fairly ideological and rigid. There are of course important differences among various schools of Marxism and their offshoots. - Sean McBride
Both Marx and Chomsky have important insights about the operations of power elites. - Sean McBride
There was a division between Marx and Bakunin over Marxism vs. Anarchism. As I understand it, Chomsky follows the ideological branch of anarchism, although in practice he is what the Marxists called an "opportunist", which means someone who is fine with accommodating to the system. This is reflected in how he demands Palestinians glue themselves to the 2SS even when Chomsky claims he wants a binational state. That is what the Marxists labeled "opportunism." - WJones
Chomsky is systemic in his thinking and structured. But is he really ideological and rigid? I doubt it, but don't rule it out. It seems that he is able to rethink ideas, like how he said in the past ten years that he would be fine with immigrating, but later said that the state has changed so much that he wouldn't. I find that his thinking on Apartheid is actually contradictory rather... more... - WJones
Sean McBride
Some of the hate-filled posts one sees directed towards Jews on the Internet make it obvious why Israel feels the need to keep Mossad, Sayeret Matkal, Unit 8200 and similar organizations in tip-top shape.
It is incredibly weird to be viciously attacked in a personal way as a Jew when I am not even Jewish -- but I am grateful for the insights those attacks have provided. That kind of behavior merits a crushing response. If I were Jewish, I would be justifiably inflamed. - Sean McBride
I am not Jewish, and I feel an itch to unleash the pitbulls. - Sean McBride
Sean, the purpose of those comments that you react to is to get you to react. I strongly doubt there's anything behind them, other than a desire to provoke which would then escalate. I think it's high time to see provocations for what they are - make believe statements designed to get a gut reaction. If you keep responding I'll begin to believe that the handle pepsi may be better than I gave him credit for. - Danaa
pepsi et al use some of the oldest tricks in the book. He has yet to find my buttons but he keeps trying all the wrong ones. - Danaa
Notice that I said I felt an itch -- but I haven't gone for the bait -- just a little twitch in that direction. The best way to handle people like this is to bottle them up and store them in the basement, far out of sight. Black sites -- metaphorically speaking, of course. - Sean McBride
By contrast, I, from a more jewish background dismiss all these comments you react to like annoying little flies. I see no substance in them and the intent strikes me as false. may be one needs to be one to know when some "attacks' are for real. Bottling up in the basement is the way to go. save for a rainy day. OTOH, I don't have to expand efforts to delete annoying comments. If I did I would probably be annoyed too - at the waste of time, if not the content (which is not there, more often than not). - Danaa
You get it -- I hate wasting my time on trash. There are better ways to spend it. - Sean McBride
Taking on Sean's argument with Mooser.
Hello, Mooser. It's fun reading your writing because of your sense of humor. Sometimes Sean talked with you about the overlapping of Judaism and state nationalism. And in fact since you are such a fun conversant, I would like to invite you to my friendfeed group. To address your topic directly, there are two issues: <b>First,</b> what do the religion's teachings say about the nationalism? Secondly, what does the religious community say? <b>To answer the first part: the religious writings take the view that the Messiah would establish an autocratic theocracy. However, since the writings were "prophecies", they can be seen as metaphors, and one need not see it in terms of the kind of political system they had in 1000 B.C.</b> Don't forget that God did not prefer for Israel to have a king in the first place. That implies that God's perfect king might not be the kind of king people normally think of it. So the Christians can be right about that. Yet Jewish tradition did involve a focus on... more... - WJones
My conclusion is this: Deep inside Judaism, you can find that it does not really teach autocracy, and my impression is that it does not really teach nationalist rule either. Christianity's interpretation is that No, Judaism's real meaning was not to teach either one. - WJones
The problem for Mooser;s argument: and maybe you can bring it up with him or others when you get into it again, is not that Judaism's real meaning is nationalist or not, but that the scholars of modern Judaism have rarely taken on this huge question that must be central to them, especially in light of all the tragedies happening in Palestine. - WJones
If Mooser is going to demand that Judaism is not nationalistic, then he has to make a coherent argument about Judaism's real meaning and all its prophetic references to nationalist rule. - WJones
I don't oppose Christian proslyetizing towards Jews, but in reality those conversations rarely go anywhere. The problem is that both ideologies are faith-based, ungrounded in reason, science, facts or the real world, and are *both* almost certainly wrong. I tend to leave religious Jews and Christians alone, unless they start engaging in political activism with a religious agenda -- let them believe whatever they like. - Sean McBride
No, Sean. I am not talking about Christians proselytizing Jews. I am taking on the argument you are making. You are talking about Judaism being nationalist. Mooser is fighting you on that. My response in my head is that if he is going to fight you on it, he has to tell you how you are supposed to feel about the hundreds of references in the Bible to Israel's national rule. Yes,... more... - WJones
The main point, for me, is that the worldwide Jewish religious establishment in the contemporary era has fully merged Judaism with Zionism into a single messianic ethno-religious nationalist ideology -- that is a fact, and a fateful one. Jewish opponents of Zionism will need to take on and deconstruct the contemporary expression and definition of Judaism if they are going to get anywhere. - Sean McBride
WJ -- ok -- I understand your point now. It's a good one. In our past exchanges on this topic, Mooser made no effort at all to address the core issues, ideas and texts -- his response was completely emotional and content-free. - Sean McBride
Just tell him what I said when you get into it next. You can point to my post on MW about it. - WJones
I doubt that he could follow your argument -- he is not actually a thinker -- more a standup comedian. - Sean McBride
You can tell him that he can't just say no, he has to point to a real explanation of the prophecies about nationalism. - WJones
This is retarded. he is such a standup comedian that he cannot think through what he said? - WJones
If it requires reading of any kind, he won't bother. He is the anti-Hostage when it comes to the handling and processing of texts. - Sean McBride
OK - WJones
Mooser cant explain Judaism as non-nationalist, and Hostage can't explain Chomsky as pro-BDS. Personally I think Mooser has a better chance to be right. - WJones
You, Danaa and I love texts and close textual readings -- not a common taste, apparently. - Sean McBride
Sean, WJ - I think Mooser is the kind of jewish person who owes little allegiance to the OT, where all the nationalist/messianic rubbish comes from. I half suspect he might share my disdain for much of what's in that text. In many ways, the Talmudic tradition took a step (or attempted to) to take jewish faith and traditions and laws beyond the narrow nationalist prism and more into the... more... - Danaa
((. The American jewish tradition, as expressed through conservative and reform movements, took it another step and came up with a more universalist interpretation of Judaism, one that's anchored in culture, custom and folksiness, while ditching much that was faith-based.)) OK, this is a big problem. How do you define Judaism. If you call it just Reform Judaism and equate it with what... more... - WJones
If Mooser's definition is that Judaism is just whatever people think at a given moment in history, then Yes, it's hugely nationalistic and overbearingly so. If you want to say it's a real religion with special writings, then you can go deeper and find the true meaning instead. - WJones
Danaa -- I think you just captured Mooser to a T -- that's my read, - Sean McBride
I understood very well Mooser's annoyance with having to argue the "essentialism" question. That stuff was not essential for him - he may have ditched it ages ago, and perhaps sees little reason he should carry on about it, when it's not his excess baggage. I might feel a tad annoyed too had I found myself somehow trapped into debating the talmud, and whether it full of hatred and/or... more... - Danaa
Comment section about Hostage closed 1 day early, just before I had a chance to post my response to Leander. - WJones
<blockquote>I had problems with W.Jones fast conclusions around the same time.</blockquote> I am more than happy to discuss anything about it with you, and am perfectly happy to reconsider my opinions. <blockquote> Like Hostage, and no I had no time to look into this carefully, but I trust him, I am pretty sure had I looked into it I probably would have supported him against the... more... - WJones
Leander is almost always behind the curve on fast-breaking trends among thought leaders -- she pulls up the rear, waiting for the new conventional wisdom to solidify. Then she ardently embraces the new beliefs -- which of course then change beneath her feet. - Sean McBride
Note for Sean - the way I read Mooser, the more right i am the more annoyed he would be with me for waxing poetic about his attributes. What right do I have to interpret him or anyone else, based on slivers of knowledge skimmed off internet postings that are mostly political rather than personal in nature? but there's the [essential] difference between someone like Mooser and someone... more... - Danaa
On some level one would expect Mooser to enjoy being given lavish personal attention -- he is quite self-involved and self-referential -- but perhaps not critical attention -- or less than laudatory attention. In any case, he is witty and usually likable and doesn't pretend to be a thinker in any serious sense. That's fine. Engaging him in "intellectual" debate is like picking the wings off a butterfly -- not something one really wants to do, even when he invites arguments about Judaism and Zionism. - Sean McBride
"picking wings off a butterfly" apropo but oh-oh! I love butterfles! may they flutter long and near-by! - Danaa
I just made a pretty good and thought out comment to Mooser on this topic: (cited at the start of the FF post) - WJones
Mooser still has a day to reply. - WJones
So far nothing. - WJones
Is being a provoker the only way to get him to respond? - WJones
Mooser will reply when he feels like it. I don't know if you noticed but he prefers to be in the "driver's seat". He makes the points, others respond. I kind of doubt you'll succeed in "provoking" him, if he doesn't feel like being provoked. Just some more psychologizing on my part. - Danaa
Sean McBride
Israel's game is to see how much state terrorism applied against civilians, women and children it can get away with, in plain view of the entire world, without triggering a forceful international response and intervention -- to walk right up to that line.
This has been the Zionist game plan since before the official establishment of Israel -- to keep driving the non-Jewish natives out of Jewish Greater Israel by making their lives unbearable. - Sean McBride
This I agree with. israel is testing the world - how much can it tolerate? so far, it's quite a bit, if Gaza is the test case. But where is the limit when the dead are Arab? where is the limit when the dead are Ukrainian? - Danaa
what israel wants is a "Final Solution" for gaza. It would have already implemented one, had it known it could get away with it. The only question for the average israeli is "when" not "what". The "what" is settled in the majority of Israeli minds. - Danaa
Some pro-Israel activists invoke Hiroshima and Nagasaki as precedents for how to deal with their Palestinian, Arab and Muslim problems -- so I think we have some idea of how far Israel intends to push the boundaries here regarding major war crimes. - Sean McBride
That's why I bring up Joshua of the OT. I don't think even WJ, the good guy, has processed what it means to be brought up on that narrative, accept it without a question and not once wonder - or be encouraged to wonder, as a child or adult - why was that OK to do? destroy all of Jericho, leaving not a living thing standing. A craven disgusting massacre, but what does it mean to exalt the very thing that modern sensibility would have us turn away from in utter disgust? - Danaa
Sean, as I keep pointing out, hebrew is a great barrier. What is said in hebrew, on israel's streets, and/or by some of the "nicest" grandmothers you'll ever get to know, would chill your blood to the bone. - Danaa
Israel has a second Nakba in mind for the remaining Palestinians in Greater Israel -- you can bank on it. It's all about tempo and patiently setting the stage. - Sean McBride
For israel, the strategy is clear - come up with a way of "dealing" with the palestinians of gaza, but do it without getting the whole world turn on you. That's the plan and has been for some time. Current gaza "operations" are a test case. They are probably counting "bodies" as we speak. - Danaa
With regard to gaza, israel's plan always had egypt in mind. The idea being to just kick the palestinians over to the Egyptian side. So far, they have managed to install Sisi as a collaborator, but even Sisi cannot stomach the israeli plan. I wonder what the next step is for "motivating" the Egyptians. - Danaa
Danaa -- many of the English comments that one reads in the Israeli press are already bloodcurdling and bone-chilling -- we are talking about many thousands of comments expressing extreme hate speech and genocidal fanaticism. - Sean McBride
The Israel lobby has succeeded in dehumanizing and demonizing Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims to such a degree in American popular culture that Israel now has a free hand to slaughter civilians, women and children at will. Many Americans are cheering on these crimes. - Sean McBride
The situation in Ukraine is wacko. You have a population of Ukrainians that could hardly care less about IP, and yet the ruling businessmen and politicians are strong pro-Israelis. Meanwhile weird political actions happened like the shooting in Kiev in February and now the weird airplane crash in the east. Ordinary Ukrainians have no idea what the deal is that their new government... more... - WJones
Utoya was another completely wacko event. It makes no sense, and there were reports that it was not a "lone gunman" either. - WJones
The heavy hand of the neocons is behind events in both Ukraine and Gaza. They are playing on the grand chessboard and utilizing their global network of assets. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Nobel peace laureates and celebrities call for military embargo on Israel | -
Signed by: - Sean McBride
1. Adolfo Peres Esquivel, Nobel Peace Laureate, Argentina 2. Ahdaf Soueif , Author, Egypt/UK 3. Ahmed Abbas, Academic, France 4. Aki Olavi Kaurismäki , film director, Finland 5. Alexi Sayle, Comedian, UK 6. Alice Walker, Writer, US 7. Alison Phipps, Academic, Scotland 8. Andrew Ross, Academic, US 9. Andrew Smith, Academic, Scotland 10. Arch. Desmond Tutu, Nobel Peace Laureate, South... more... - Sean McBride
Also look at the petition supported and avertised by Richard Silverstein. - Danaa
I am not sure - could be the same one. - Danaa
Mondoweiss on Friendfeed
This latest invasion of Gaza is less about genocide, contra Ilan Pappe, though his points, as always, are well taken. Rather, the point of Israel’s invasion – like its continuing actions in the West Bank under Gaza’s cover – is to finalize what most of the world, including the Arab world, really wants. What the world wants is a policy that contains Palestinians and leaves the Middle East order, at least what’s left of it, in place. If the policy of containment should be called genocide, so be it, but politically the strategy is a policy of managing a collective. Terminology like this might seem harsh. It is.
That is bull shit. The world has no interest in or benefit to be gained in 'containing the Palestines". Containing the Palestines who have zero powerto threaten anyone benefits no one but Israel. If the world.particulary the Arab sunni world is interested in containing anything is the ISIS offshoot of AQL. Trying to contain the Palestine does nothing but make them good potential recruits for ISIA the longer they are occupied. - American
Israel's policies from the outset have been obvious: to clear the territory of Greater Israel of Palestinians by making their lives as painful as possible through a wide variety of methods, including terrorism. This story is not nearly over. - Sean McBride
Mark Ellis is pretty irrelevant. I gets aromas of Tom Freedman when I read his articles. - Chu_
Ellis was a member of the Catholic Workers Movement in 1974-1975. Ellis was probably a fan of Saul Alinskys 'Rules for Radicals. - Chu_
The catholic worker movement is pretty cool. Marc Ellis is relevant. But he is a REC (Rational Except about Christianity). - WJones
"Contra Christian doctrine, there’s no way back from death." ~Ellis in his latest article. - WJones
Marc Ellis has a major stumbling block when it comes to thinking rationally about Christianity. - WJones
This latest comment by him is not even rational. - WJones
Judaism teaches resurrection, just as Christianity does. To suddenly complain about "Contra Christian Doctrine" on this subject from his perspective is not even rational. It is like complaining that Judaism believes in monotheism. That's not rational to complain about if you are a monotheist. - WJones
Check out Libras comment to Ellis today. She's pretty funny. - Chu_ from Android
Do you understand that this is not rational from his perspective: "Contra Christian doctrine, there’s no way back from death." That is like a Unitarian complaining that Islam is monotheist. We are past unreasonableness and into the realm of the illogical. - WJones
Jones, Ellis is useless, an open book of Christian predjudice. I don't know why you get so concerned about an intellectual troll who uses Saul Alinsky as a guide to permeate whatever Christian beliefs he seems to hold. Please don't see the forest for the trees here. Remember Christianity is a world religion. University of Peace in San Juan, Costa Rica? have you ever been to San Juan? Good guanabana and plantains. - Chu_
buy the book 'Controversy of Zion'. You'll appreciate it. Let me know what you think. Danaa even would like it. - Chu_
Usually in the comments section I dont rant about Ellis. I just point out unreasonableness. Ellis doesnt usually write offensive things about IP. Mostly he writes insinuations when he does, like about Greta Berlin being antisemitic, even though he later called Atzmon a prophet. He is not all rational or consistent. - WJones
Ellis has value. He does not have intense "groupies" like Chomsky doesn't. Ellis is more AZ than Chomsky, who is Z and partly even PEP. Chomsky doesnt care about putting down Christianity, though. - WJones
he takes cheap shots. without taking responsibilities (or blaming Jews after Christians). - Chu_
((Saul Alinsky as a guide to permeate whatever Christian beliefs he seems to hold. Please don't see the forest for the trees here. Remember Christianity is a world religion. University of Peace in San Juan, Costa Rica? have you ever been to San Juan?)) Ellis is cool when it comes to his left wing views. It's his antichristianity that's the problem. His PEPism is minimal if anything, I believe. - WJones
Chomsky is supremely intelligent if were comparing Chomsky to Ellis - Chu_
Jones, give me an idea where you live? NE NW SE SW? - Chu_
Intelligence is not the main thing. Daniel Pipes is very smart. Herzl was a visionary - in his own way. I don't knock their mental skills. It's more that they are biased. - WJones
oh. Don't underestimate Jewish Zionism. People cringe at criticizing their ideology in NYC. It's almost chilling. - Chu_
Ok. softball. Bill DeBlasio - Chu_
But intelligence doesn't indicate reciprocity & respect with the indefinite ally. - Chu_
The main context we are dealing in is IP, and I think that on IP, Ellis is much better than Chomsky. Ellis does not go on about how BDS is antisemitic and there is no Apartheid, etc. Ellis has criticized Michael Lerner for attacking Solidarity activists, and he even called Atzmon a prophet. So for purposes of MW, Yes, Ellis is better. But Ellis is neurotic and irrational about Christianity, and it's a major disability since IP is an interfaith conflict. - WJones
Stand back and think about it for a moment: can critics of the Israeli government and the Israel lobby really afford to splinter and disintegrate over these disagreements? Don't they need to set aside their differences on numerous issues and focus on the main goal? - Sean McBride
The Israel lobby has been highly successful in maintaining discipline among its ranks despite numerous internecine quarrels. It presents a united face to the world. - Sean McBride
I'm not arguing at all. I'm saying that Ellis should not be part of mondoweiss because he is a bigot and blames everyone else before he lays blame at zionism. They need a Chas Freeman instead of an Ellis. - Chu_ from Android
Certainly this is a tendency one sees among many liberal and progressive Zionists: to place the blame for Israeli policies on any and every group in the world except the Jewish establishment and the Jewish lobby. - Sean McBride
Notice the hysteria and anger that anti-Zionist Mooser expressed about any efforts to analyze the numerous important connections between Judaism and Zionism and between the Jewish religious establishment and the Israel lobby. He lost it completely -- and he is still off-balance and fuming about that subject. - Sean McBride
I was hesitant to put up a comment on Marc Ellis thread, so here it is instead - I saw on israeli facebooks a recitation of a prayer before IDF soldiers were sent to "battle" (ie mow the grass, have a little killing spree). It was the kind of "prayers" that secular people use in Israel. The kind of prayer that was said perhaps before Joshua committed one of the best documented... more... - Danaa
Beautifully written, as usual -- and deeply insightful. I have been thinking about systematically cataloging all the genocidal passages in the Old Testament. Joshua may in fact be the most important meme in the book. - Sean McBride
At its core, the jewish god is a mirror into the evil that lurks in the hearts of men. The more the Christians make common cause with them the more they'll be dragged into the Abyss. Worse part of it is that people like Ellis, an "interfaith" person, knows this. He knows how horrid the OT is - a non-stop tale of murderous deeds by a people who invented a god that justifies anything they... more... - Danaa
In semantic webese: [set; genocidal * in the Old Testament 1. events 2. passages 3. topics] - Sean McBride
Sean, now there is a project I wouldn't mind giving a hand to. TI would expect we would not be the first to try and do this "documentation" - will make life easier. Must google me some genocidal passages. I might even forgo analog for such a lofty purpose. - Danaa
"a non-stop tale of murderous deeds by a people who invented a god that justifies anything they do, as long as they remain "true" to him" - Sean McBride
Another column for you, Sean - add prophetic, to capture the well prophet of the day. - Danaa
Danaa -- you manage to compose many quotable remarks. Colorful, succint, on point. - Sean McBride
I have strongly leaned to the view for quite some time now that all religious symbols, myths and memes are the projection of innate human psychological archetypes. When various cultures talk about their versions of "God," they are really talking about themselves -- about their essential nature -- usually unconsciously, underwater. The Enlightenment was largely about "waking up" -- of becoming fully conscious and self-conscious of the forces driving human behavior. - Sean McBride
What I have noticed in my study of Western monotheism is that God is often used as a pretext for violent aggression against others -- wrapped up in a pretty feel-good package of charity, philanthropy and high-mindedness. It can be quite a racket. - Sean McBride
When various competing factions of Western monotheism go at one another, all in the name of their "God," one sees the underlying psychological mechanisms laid bare. - Sean McBride
((The latter is the excuse for the former. Christianity, IMO, made a mistake by adopting the entirety of the bible, as something to be superceded... He knows how horrid the OT is - a non-stop tale of murderous deeds by a people who invented a god that justifies anything they do, as long as they remain "true" to him. )) Religions develop over time, and Christianity is a later stage that... more... - WJones
WJ -- the problem with the OT is not the specific assertions and claims made in it -- the problem is with its predominating mindset and attitudes -- the psychological and cultural archetypes which pervade it. You would need to gut the OT of 95% of its content to bring it into alignment with Enlightenment concepts. Many ancient Greek and Roman texts are much more in natural sync with the Enlightenment than the OT. - Sean McBride
# a few of the problematic attitudes and memes in Western monotheism (and all of which originate in the Old Testament) 1. absolutism 2. appeals to divine authority 3. appeals to faith 4. censorship 5. cultural aggression 6. dogmatism 7. groupthink 8. hostility to science and reason 9. intolerance 10. messianism 11. military aggression 12. superstition 13. suppression of dissent 14. us vs. them 15. visions of world destruction 16. visions of world domination - Sean McBride
God in the Western monotheistic tradition is a license for mass murder, absolute social control and world domination by a self-appointed priesthood. - Sean McBride
My question to you WJ, is similar to Sean's - what exactly is worth preserving in the OT? may be the early parts of genesis and the book of Job (if it is condensed and chopped of about 70% of the repetitive stuff). All of the OT is basically an excuse for a people to believe they are somehow "chosen". take that out and what's left? like Sean says, a whole lot less than Greek and Roman mythologies. - Danaa
Another project. Great ideas - Chu_ from Android
The good parts of the OT: the expression of some poetic and novelistic talent -- but those passages represent only a small portion of the entire text. - Sean McBride
Pro-Israel militants are channeling the central spirit of the Old Testament -- reactivating and reenergizing its core psychological and cultural archetypes. They are the living embodiment of the OT. This is what the OT is all about. - Sean McBride
Also, WJ, faith is the crux of the matter, isn't it? i don't believe for a millisecond that some god gave Moses "Law". It was Moses - or some group of characters unified into the concept of "Moses" who may have come with the "law" themselves. Was it good law? some was, some wasn't. the useful and insightful part of the story of Exodus is the aspiration to morals by a people. The useless... more... - Danaa
have I perchance convinced you that I really really despise the OT (other than the first book, genesis, which showed strange understanding of how the natural world came to be). There was wisdom in genesis. I found less and less of it as the book went on. The best accomplishment of the gospels, IMO< is that they wrote them fairly short. Attention span, and all that. - Danaa
BTW, later on, when i got to read some of the Baga Bhagitha, i wasn't all that impressed with it either. Too much and the messages, such as they are, are drowned in amorass of details. Still, the stories were good. - Danaa
I laud you WJ, for bearing with us secular types. There really is a fundamental dividing line between the believers and those who don't. The latter simply don't have the respect for "prophets" or for sermons in general. We pronounce "god" with a small "g" - and frankly it makes little difference whether there is one god or 100. the non-believer will look through the OT and see some... more... - Danaa
As always, pepsi doesn't get the point, which is the OT, which i don't have any great respect for (and obviously little appreciation). Other points about other things can go to other places, no? - Danaa
FWIW, the talmud - what little of it I had to learn (if only to get a grade, and only for 2 years) was even more boring than the OT. Even the little fables were all but gone and there was hardly any sex. At least the OT doubled as porn, so there were some riveting parts. especially for a teenager. - Danaa
It's true, BTW, during those earlier puritanical days in Israel, when TV was not around and not so much literature was translated into Hebrew, the OT was our gateway porn manual. not that we ever got the details right. The allusions to incest were especially confounding. Weird stuff was going down in those days. - Danaa
I apologize for the new pepsi infestation -- he seems to have mental problems and still hasn't grasped that his hate-filled comments are not welcome here. A next-generation version of Friendfeed will deal with this kind of problem -- firmly blocking mentally deranged people. - Sean McBride
You have to automatically delete every comment by the known sockpuppets no matter what their comments are. - WJones
I actually read the Adin Steinsaltz translation of the Talmud -- by comparison, the Old Testament is a breath of fresh air. It is almost entirely devoid of literature and reveals a psychology that is begging for contemporary clinical analysis -- especially the obsessive-compulsive elements. It's not Dante, Chaucer or Shakespeare. - Sean McBride
Regarding the tradition of using the Talmud as a springboard for developing skills in argumentation and critical thinking -- that I appreciate. - Sean McBride
((I ruined the class for everybody by talking non-stop and demanding that we study also the Baga Bhagitta, while keping a copy of greek mythology on my desk and reading from it, when called upon to interpret one of those annoying jerks, who thought they were, like "prophets".)) Wow, so you basically got a bad grade, or was it extra-curricular and grades didn't matter? - WJones
Dear WJ, I hate to tell you that but I got an A+. I aced the matriculation tests on the OT (a requirement even for the Physical science direction) because, well, I had a near photographic memory. And as you well know by now, i can BS with the rest of them and interpret anything at all at a drop of a hat. I also aced the Talmud (no matriculation test for us, mercifully) for the same... more... - Danaa
No surprise there, Danaa :) -- that is what I envisioned. - Sean McBride
Sean, save me from pepsi! here we are talking OT and he is totally OT all the time. - Danaa
Danaa- I blocked him. Sean has to automatically delete pepsi's comments. - WJones
Maybe Israeli society was more tolerant of Israeli students in those days when many of them were liberal (PEP). Maybe Israeli society is becoming less tolerant nowadays. On the other hand you are not allowed to use physical discipline on Israeli kids, although they flog Palestinian kids (like the celebrity, Rula Jebreal) in prison leaving real, lifelong scars. - WJones
So maybe Israeli society lets Israeli kids act up like you did. It is kind of like Sid Fleischman's book "The Whipping Boy", where one prince due to noble birth cannot be touched, and another one takes floggings for him. - WJones
You are right about israeli society, WJ. Later, much later, I came to understand that the fact that my bad behavior was tolerated did me no favors. Also, since I absolutely abhored two of subjects we had to take on a daily basis, it gave me the excuse for developing atrocious study habits (all last minute, all the time). These did not stand me well later. As for the acting up part, you... more... - Danaa
Danaa, It's OK that you acted up in class, and it's admirable that the school was not particularly punitive. The fact that Israeli society bans spanking kids is extremely admirable and progressive. And yet we are dealing with a horrible dichotomy- a real life "Prince and the Pauper" or "Whipping Boy" situation, where one society has a thriving economy, its children have the best and... more... - WJones
There are people in America who grow up in northern schools that don't hurt children, and then they go to teach in schools in the South where they practice physical abuse with instruments invented during US slavery. I have a cousin who this applies to. I can't "make" her treat children with the same kindness with which she was treated, although God knows I want to. I can just tell her that she is wrong and explain why. - WJones
On one forum, a hardcore PEP nationalist talks about how the Israelis defeated huge odds in the 1948 war and that this is a "miracle." Do you have information showing that the Israelis were not really outgunned in the 1948 war as they claim? I know that they got many weapons from the Soviet bloc as part of an agreement with the latter. - WJones
The Israelis enjoyed overwhelming military superiority in that conflict -- that fact has been well-documented. - Sean McBride
The frequent use of the word "miracle" by pro-Israel activists (especially religious Zionists) is fascinating -- it reveals a messianic psychology in play -- and an innate tendency towards magical thinking. Grandiose, gushing, euphoric. God is manipulating the universe specially for them. - Sean McBride
You know that you will never be able to hold a rational conversation with people who organize their politics around "miracles" -- especially miracles allegedly staged by God on behalf of ethnic nationalist interests. - Sean McBride
((The Israelis enjoyed overwhelming military superiority in that conflict -- that fact has been well-documented. )) OK. can you please point to it? - WJones
[Wikipedia; 1948 Arab–Israeli War]. Search on "superiority." - Sean McBride
Not good enough: the source said that the Israelis had superiority over the Palestinians, but didn't say that they had it against the Arab armies. - WJones
I don't have the relevant documents at my fingertips, and don't have time to Google in depth on the subject, but I have seen many reputable sources make that claim. Another pointer: [Israel and the 1948 War] I may come back to this topic later when I have had time to get my ducks in a row. - Sean McBride
Jones, I don't see Hostage since July 4th. What do you think? - Chu_
He said he was leaving. People were criticizing Chomsky's positions too much for him. - WJones
I am a little bit surprised. But looking back I would have had to basically let his points about Chomsky being right about almost everything about IP stand after disagreeing a small number of times with them, and only do minimal follow up. - WJones
Chomsky being seen as right is more important than critical thinking. - WJones
Chomsky makes the biggest Internet warriors fold like a table. Nice tag team with Shingo through. Hopefully he rethinks his positions since he's great to MW. I read Keith ' s blog this morning. If you search chomsky he says he's leaving MW (2010?) Because the herd had turned against chomsky. He uses the anology of moby dick. I used to think keith was decent but criticism of his god made... more... - Chu_ from Android
This is the problem with discussing IP. When you point out politely and in a friendly way disagreements with even friends who feel very strongly about it (eg. Slater), they can get surprisingly offended. - WJones
Jones. I think the problem with Zionism is that they can't coexist in the greater world. They've had so many opportunities to make the Peace, yet they choose thuggery over reality. - Chu_
These Chomskyites remind me much of Ayn Rand Objectivists -- very similar cult psychology and hero worship. They are amusing. They've got a party line and they don't deviate from it. They can't think for themselves. - Sean McBride
Funny, I just heard on RT's cross roads (a program I highly recommend) the israel hasbarist (speaking of course from NY and propped up against Gideon Levy and Mikko peled who did a great one-two punch) allude to Chomsky and Finkelstein as two leftist "icons" who are against BDS because it sets out to destroy the Israeli state. This is the second time in one week that I hear a hasbara person waving around Chomsky's name. Can't be a coincidence, can it be? - Danaa
((Mooser, One of the focuses of ancient Judaism was the history of God’s relationship with one nation. At that point in time, such a unique focus made sense – most other religions were polytheistic. As Hostage of blessed memory pointed out, Judaism also held within itself the seeds of universalism, and a vision that Abraham’s faith would cover many nations. At this point, since many... more... - WJones
here's a Tokyo comment: tokyobk says: July 15, 2014 at 8:41 pm “Also, when are liberal Zionists going to begin to reflect this new reality, and throw in the towel on their beloved two-state solution?” When they become convinced that Jews are safe in the world and in Israel (or whatever it eventually becomes) regardless of the demography. That may be an impossible task (because the fear... more... - Chu_
Keith comment (2010): THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 2010 MONDO-PEQUOD I booked passage on the good ship Mondoweiss, bound for Israel/Palestine. The journey was an interesting one until recently. The ship morphed into the Mondo-Pequod and veered off course in pursuit of an iconic whale named Moby-Chomsky. This great whale was depicted as a great impediment to our journey, hence, we must pursue... more... - Chu_
Real masters don't try to acquire disciples -- they help others unlock their own individual creative energy -- and they are allergic to authoritarian cults organized around alleged masters. - Sean McBride
Many people in this life can't get by without the crutch of a master and the emotional support of like-minded groupthink disciples. - Sean McBride
lastg comment from Hostage: 'Frankly this kind of article has convinced me to pull my subscription here and pick-up my remote.' - Chu_
Chu, where was that comment by Hostage? which article? sorry, but I tired of the Chmosky battles and stopped following the comments. I said my piece - twice, keith remained friend (well, you know, MW friend...), got pissed off about the threads closing too fast and moved on. - Danaa
Danaa. Search Hostage on MW. It's the very last sentence of his last comment. - Chu_
As you all know my feelings about Chomsky are not very strong - never worshipped him, so my heart was never broken by his high wire act when it comes to BDS. I was much more saddened by Norman Finkelstein - whom I view as a tragic figure - an individual who almost reached heroic dimensions (and looked the part) but could not scale that last little bit of the cliff. Too far to go and his... more... - Danaa
I think we all were enlightened by some of his insights concerning corrupted US foreign policy. But the man has a soft spot for Zionism -went to Jewish day camps in high school, worked on the kibbutz, etc. Obviously has some soft spot for Israel. But pointing that out to Chomskyites really gets them in a tizzy. It's too bad, because Keith and/or Hostage make some good points otherwise - Chu_
Beautiful description of Finkelstein, plus "to be a Spinoza, with all that this entails." - WJones
I wonder if Danaa knows that some people consider Spinoza to be one of the original creators of the Semantic Web -- and someone who was working to synthesize and unify "digital" and "analog" thinking. - Sean McBride
Sean McBride
Israel Paying Students (30 pieces of silver?) to be Apologists for Israel | American Everyman -
"College students are being paid to be online apologists for the barbaric inhuman policies of Israel and the IDF. The more lies they post about glorious Israel, the higher up the corporate-styled ladder they climb, looking to achieve the ultimate goal… a free ride in college… proving once again: it’s never too early to sell-out." - Sean McBride from Bookmarklet
"Students at each university are organized into units. At the top is the chief-coordinator, who gets a full scholarship. Under the chief-coordinator are three “desk coordinators” in charge of language, graphics and research who receive lesser scholarships. Then there are student “activists” who receive, “minimal scholarships”" - Sean McBride
"The program is run by Danny Seamen, an Israeli public diplomacy official who drew the ire of Muslims in the region when he posted the following status on his personal Facebook page: “Does the commencement of the fast of the Ramadan mean that Muslims will stop eating each other during the daytime?”" - Sean McBride
I used to read him. Thanks for the reminder. - Chu_ from Android
probably pat Nguyen is one of them. Total idiot. Followed by Mikhail, likely an American of Russian descent with ties to Israel (ie, been there, done that, got no [Israeli] girl to come back with me 'cause way too pale and not rich enough to make up for that) - Danaa
i think sumud called nguyen bluff recenly that he is asian. he's more like hophmi's dumber cousin. - Chu_
Glad you mention Mikhail, Danaa. At least he's direct, not like so many Wittys and LZs. Check out MJ's huff post article. LZ's look so desperate, but its a necessary hump to get to the root of it all. Max Ajl co authored a piece on how the left zionists are false. Sounds like they are drinking the Atzmon kool aid. About time. - Chu_
Danaa put some thought into the neocon tree please. Your insight is always valued. - Chu_
Chu, I will as soon as I get some time off for good behavior (ie, get project to closure). If you look at my comments there from earlier, I'm struggling a bit with you digital minded humanoids. My tendency is to first figure out what the purpose is of any exercise - is it to build a data base or is it to come up with visuals that can convey a point quickly, even to those otherwise... more... - Danaa
ok good. will discuss the details over there. - Chu_
I Support Pedophiles But I Love Children
MJ (Mike) Rosenberg@MJayRosenberg · Jul 11 - American
'' I am a liberal Zionist and pro-Israel to the core. And I hate this damn war by Israel against the innocent people of Gaza.'' - American
That's cute, American, and kind of relevant. Especially now with all that westminster Paedophile business going on t(that people think may be tied to hague's sudden resignation yesterday. Possibly a cover-up he was engaged in). the English sure seem to love children, don't they? - Danaa
I recommend listening to Keiser's last program on RT (if you get on TV that's good. But it's on the web site too). He was having a blast in with his cryptobullion one-two punch, into which heworked in the westminster gang at every chance. He is totally hilarious, agree or disagree with his love affair with all things crypto. - Danaa
Jewish Jet Blue Passenger Ousted Over Gaza Spat
A Jewish woman was ejected from a JetBlue flight after arguing about the Israel-Hamas conflict with a Palestinian passenger. - American
The Jewish woman, physician Lisa Rosenberg of New York, was asked to leave the July 7 John F. Kennedy Airport-bound flight from Palm Beach International Airport not long after concluding a telephone conversation about Israel’s conduct in the conflict. Another passenger, who overheard the conversation, began arguing with Rosenberg. - American
But a commenter on the website Gothamist, who identified herself as the passenger who confronted Rosenberg, said that Rosenberg “was the only person yelling and actually said a Palestinian on the flight was a ‘danger to her’. She was removed from that flight for making a scene, refusing to sit in her seat and not complying with staff. Other passengers , if they come forward, will verify this.” - American
“The story presented in no way reflects the reports from our crew, whose decision to remove the customer we support,” the airline said in a statement. - American
oh vey!!!!..the jews are up in arms...sue Jet Blue, its a 100 million dollar law suit!....bankrupt jet Blue and ground it!..its anti semitism!...boycott jet Blue....the usual crap........ - American
'' “I just was completely outraged that I would be asked to leave a plane, being a Jew,” Rosenberg told ABC’s local affiliate in Palm Beach County." - American
Do you have a link to the story? preferably somewhere they allow comments? - Danaa
Google popped this up: [Jewish Doctor Bounced From JetBlue Flight Over Gaza Spat With Passenger] - Sean McBride
Regarding Lisa Rosenberg: “I was saying how it was good Israel found the students that killed the Palestinian teenager and how it was exemplary not making them into heroes, but seeking to publicly try them,” Rosenberg told the Palm Beach Post. “I said any other country would have made these students out to be martyrs and celebrating them.” - Sean McBride
In what parallel universe would anyone treat these murderers as heroes and martyrs? Why is that concept even on the table? - Sean McBride
Every argument about Israel continues to erode support for Israel. Certainly JPPI should be able to figure that out. - Sean McBride
We do not spend much time arguing about Switzerland. Switzerland is not trying to build Greater Switzerland on the basis of an ancient religious imperative and on the backs of another people. Switzerland doesn't require a Switzerland Lobby in the United States, consisting of dozens of interlocked organizations that are increasingly in the public eye. Pro-Switzerland activists are not... more... - Sean McBride
Israel is not a normal nation -- this is not the situation that Theodor Herzl envisioned. - Sean McBride
I should mail Dr. Rosenberg my 'True Monkey Story' so she could diagnose what is wrong with herself and avoid needles, blood test , psychiatrists and all that. - American
Here's the account of the airline attendant. Quite a different reality from Dr. Rosenberg: "The official internal report goes on to state that the flight attendant witnessed Dr. Rosenberg accuse the woman in 9C of being a “Palestinian murderer” and that “ her people are all... more... - Chu_
Sean McBride
Does anyone know? - Sean McBride
The conspiracy theorist in me says Pat Nguyen is a deliberate attempt to confuse from PHAN Nguyen, who writes data-rich articles for MW from time to time. - ChasMark
That's a possibility. - Sean McBride
The Israeli government, the Israel lobby and independent pro-Israel activists are conducting extensive propaganda and psychological operations across the entire Internet -- much of it well-funded from government and private sources. - Sean McBride
I agree with Chasmark - it's a pen name meant to confuse - quite deliberately so. Of course, there's no comparison between the levels of writing between Phan Nguyen ( a real name,) and this "Pat Nuguyen". It's a poorly executed psyop that the readers on MW are too hardened to not notice. I wouldn't even bother to reply to this character, clearly a hired hand, unless I get paid for it. - Danaa
See Mikhael: Hasbara is on a roll. - Chu_
Pro-Israel propagandists have fallen into a trap -- the more they propagandize, often in an angry and confrontational way, the more they turn off most of the world. This is the way things usually go with ethnic and religious nationalist movements -- their sympathetic audience is highly circumscribed. They tend to push the emotional and ego buttons of cult outsiders in a negative way. - Sean McBride
I agree. Check out ZOA Mort Klein. ZOA President Morton Klein tells TMZ Sports. "Anyone who uses the phrase 'Free Palestine' is either ignorant of the situation or hates the Jewish state of Israel. It's a hateful position." - Chu_
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