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You should send this totallylookslike.com - Mike Nayyar

guitar hero is a heavy rip off of simon says too, pretty inspirational game - Yunus Tunak

Mike - I might just do that! - Susan Beebe

The device name is not "Simon Says"...just Simon. "Simon Says" was on of the modes of play on Simon. </ComicBookGuy> - Josh Haley

Yep. - Eric - seven eleven

That's why it looked familiar - M F

@Josh Haley - Thanks! I just corrected it... much appreciated - Susan Beebe

i remember that game. god, how i hated it. - Nathan Rein

in the other news ... http://www.youtube.com/watch... ;) - A. T.

and little more chrome 80s styled http://www.youtube.com/watch... :) - A. T.

I bet kids today have never seen the "Simon" electronic toy... makes me feel old! - Susan Beebe

I saw my name mentioned a few times, things ok over here? - Simon Wicks

Pft, it's obviously a pokeball - Daniel Bruce

I loved that game! - JA Castillo

hahaha! - Susan Beebe

omg, totally!! - Sarah Perez

I knew it reminded me of something! - Mary DeSive

since you put it that way, yeah ;) - Doug Schumacher

Lots of folks saying the Google Chrome logo "makes them want to play Simon" - LOL - Susan Beebe

to me it looks like how a non-computer-using artist type would design a trackball -- either that or they are trying to get a HAL vibe without creeping everyone out - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Uh-oh, Google, you've been caught with your hand in the electronics bin! - MiniMage

I got my son a travel version of Simon, so there's at least one kid who's seen it. (He needs hand-eye coordination practice.) This does seem very, very similar. - Kisha from BuddyFeed

I remember it ! :-) - Roberto from fftogo

I get the Simon apps for my phones. WinMo and iPhone. - MiniMage

Not sure why I didn't mention that I still have my old Simon. - MiniMage

exactly! awesome idea :) congrats! - Alihan ÇETİN

:) @Doğuş lol This is more than same :D - Alihan ÇETİN

Oh, also: why do you hate Laconica? Good information to have! - Evan Prodromou

Evan, how had you imagined building "plugins" for Laconia? Do you simply mean putting the "load" on the client? Indeed, a laconica and or Twitter client could add lots on top of the respective notification services to provide a FriendFeed-like experience. http://a.tinythread.com/ is a good example of this IMO. The threaded comments there look pretty friendfeed-ish imo. - Meryn Stol

Laconica has a server-side plugin architecture already. 3rd-party code can "hook" important events in the main code and enhance or replace the default processing for those events, firing either before or after the events occur. There are hookpoints in the code for UI events (showing the header, showing the sidebar, etc.) database and domain object events (saving a new status, saving a... more... - Evan Prodromou

@Matthew Devries, no, it's not! You need to look a little closer. - Evan Prodromou

Evan, I do not have any experience with Laconica. Does it already support threaded conversations? That would be a start. - Meryn Stol

@Meryn also, you may want to check out our threaded conversation pages like http://identi.ca/convers... . It's hierarchical, not flat like FF's, and it's based off the same @-reply mechanism that Twitter uses. But it could be customized to work more like Jaiku or Friendfeed (where comments are distinct from other notices.) - Evan Prodromou

Laconica as a base need serious consideration, imho. - Micah

@evan, while I've got you 'on the line', I'd sure appreciate any feedback on my userscript for language translation - I'm close to finishing an adaptation for identi.ca, but at the moment you can test out the twitter port: http://translatorize.com/ Thanks! - http://identi.ca/micah - Micah

Matthew DeVries, no, SMS is not the core of the service. That would be crack-addled. - Evan Prodromou

Matthew DeVries: w/r/t 10K of text: not sure I understand what you mean. 10K for each notice? 10K total? What point are you trying to make? - Evan Prodromou

Sure seems like there is overlap between laconica and openff goals. Plugins could be a great way to fill any laconica gaps towards a Friendfeed like feature set - Jason Wehmhoener from iPhone

The Twitter ecosystem is showing sure signs of producing equal capabilities as FriendFeed (except for update speed - that's limited by the speed of the Twitter API), so I think that will eventually happen to Laconica too. If not, then I see not much future for Laconia anyway. Social media will not stop at 140 char microblogging. The future for Twitter - if any - is being a hub in something much bigger, something even more advanced than FriendFeed. - Meryn Stol

At the moment, I have big doubts though if even Twitter will survive. Other ways to do push notification (e.g. pubsubhubbub) pose a big threat. I'm talking long-term of course. But that doesn't make either Laconica or Twitter seem attractive for me as a developer to put time in. I'd rather invest in technologies which seem to have a bright future ahead. - Meryn Stol

@Matthew Devries, 0.8.x versions and below limited to 140 chars/notice. 0.9.x and above will support variable-length notices, from 1 to unlimited. We'll use truncation to deal with channels (like Twitter or SMS) that are space-constrained. - Evan Prodromou

Interesting idea, Evan Prodromou. Does Laconi.ca support real time through the web interface? - Vezquex

@Raphael yes it does. We support three different real-time update servers: Cometd (using Bayeux), Orbited, and Meteor. We'll probably have a Strophe-based XMPP update at some point in the near future. BTW, that's all implemented with plugins. - Evan Prodromou

@Meryn Laconica supports a distributed protocol, OpenMicroBlogging, for a federated approach. We also have plugins in progress for RSSCloud, PubSubHubBub, XMPP PubSub, and FETHR. - Evan Prodromou

You may have something here. I'll take a look at the documentation. - Vezquex

Great info. Thanks for dropping by, Evan! - Kevin L

I think comments as separate from notices is a big difference. Does Laconica do groups or lists? - Kevin L

Evan: What I mean is that anything evolved out of microblogging probably won't matter much for the future of the web and social media. I think the future belongs to completely standardized hubs, using the pubsubhubbub protocol or a protocol yet to be invented. I simply don't think microblogging will survive as a core technology. I think it will prove too limited by its past. - Meryn Stol

yes, Laconica does groups. It also has lists. - Evan Prodromou

Meryn, the "micro" part is a gimmick. Once you lift the character limit, there should be no problem. - Vezquex

I don't see much reasons to have laconia hubs when there are "standardized" hubs, willing to route around anything inside an Atom feed. Why register for a particular when people can get push updates from across the web? All a user has to do in the future is produce an atom feed. The hubs will be invisible to the user. They only see their app, a kind of Wordpress or something. - Meryn Stol

BTW This is one of the reasons why I also probably won't be contributing to the OpenFF server clone. I don't think it has much future. I think we can already see the end of the road for centralized services. I still am interested in writing a client which can talk to all different (either centralized or federated) services out there... From a user's standpoint, broad compatibility with existing networks is a big plus. - Meryn Stol

Matthew, huh? I think the first goal is to build something very much technological the same as FriendFeed. Federation is the next step. But peer to peer is not even on the agenda (at least for the openff project as I know it). And as I said, I don't particularly like that roadmap. It does not really excite me. - Meryn Stol

I kindly invite everyone who want to think on more broad terms about "feed technology" to join http://friendfeed.com/feedtech :) - Meryn Stol

Evan, I learned some interesting things about laconica from this thread and will be taking a closer look - Jason Wehmhoener

As this is a community open federated project I suggest to use open source Jaikuengine with pubsubhubbub running on Google Appengine. Reasons: Dealing with scalability(twitter has Big DDOS issues) Google infrastructure is the best, Real time push and pull based on pubsubhubbub (community hub is available). Jaiku threaded conversation is cool.It has Channels too. Regarding Macro (not... more... - Srini Vemula

You don't need to adapt laconica to that when NoseRub is so much close to what Friendfeed is. Actually, there are only a couple of features left in NoseRub to be a friendfeed clone (feature-wise, not presentation-wise). A running service using NoseRub is Identoo.com (Identoo is to NoseRub what identica is to laconica) - Marcos Marado

Marcos, does Noserub have some kind of plugin and/or theme architecture so that changes to Noserub can be made without coordinating those changes with the core Noserub development team? I ask because when I look at indentoo.com it doesn't look/work much like Friendfeed, so it's possible the Noserub team has different goals. However, if Noserub supports plugins and/or themes it's possible that different goals can be supported without any issue. - Jason Wehmhoener

If somebody wants to build plug-ins for Laconi.ca that make it more FriendFeed-like, or join the NoseRub project and add more FriendFeed-like functionality to that system, or just work on other projects that connect FriendFeed proper with Laconi.ca with NoseRub instances, I say more power to them. My impression to date has been that all that's distinct from the OpenFF effort, the intent of which is to build an OSS "clone" of FriendFeed as a new and separate project and code base. - Ken Sheppardson

BTW, I've spun this off into the Feed Tech group as http://friendfeed.com/feedtec... - Ken Sheppardson

Matthew: The kind of distributed messaging that would be ideal for OpenFF is exactly what OpenMicroBlogging (now OStatus) provides. Users on different domains may subscribe and reply and each other, even on entirely separate server instances. - Mike Chelen

Evan: Where are lists in StatusNet/Laconica? Never seen how they can be used. - Mike Chelen

http://status.net/wiki/Lists - Evan Prodromou

WWW7 was fun though :) - Dan Brickley

I've got feeling there's a very significant point about the usefulness of Linked Data here... even if I did expect a different wrong answer: Milton Keynes (home of the Open University, UK's largest by a factor of maybe 3, but none of the students live there). - Chris Rusbridge

That's pretty sweet. This is indeed where this is likely to go... or some variation thereof. - Chris Messina

Virtualization of the telephone makes this even more interesting... - Cliff Gerrish

having written a few SMS processing apps, the SMS data is just like handling logins via HTTP with plaintext auth. Unless you can encrypt the data and fit it into 160 or so characters ... - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Another reason for me not to have a mobile phone. Doesn't anyone worry what could happen if you were to lose your phone? - April Russo

I have to put a big DO NOT WANT on this sort of thing. My phone is a transient device which I can lose or switch at any time... I don't want it storing automagic logins to my critical financial information. - Otto

Google Voice or Ribbit - the virtualization of the phone + remote wipe. These make losing your phone less of an issue with regard to network authentication and authorization. - Cliff Gerrish

Must admit, I have been thinking of this little problem. Remote Wipe via MobileMe seems to be the best solution right now for iPhones. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

I'm conflicted. This is really interesting, but pressing the "Like" button in FF seems somehow inappropriate. Here goes anyway! (whatever happened to bookmarks?) - Dan Brickley

^^^ the "Like" button is really a "Notice" button, like the star in gmail. - 9000

financiers buy and sell the world, medicine fellows repair the world, scientists research and describe the world, and only engineers actually change the world :) - 9000