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Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

I'm pleased to announce that when the Gillmor Gang returns this Thursday at 1PM Pacific, it will be sponsored by Rackspace and streamed live on Building43's new RealTime Network channel. We'll be doing some testing between now and then. First up is my conversation with FriendFeed-->Facebook's Paul Buchheit. MG Siegler's summary is here:...

August 22, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Steve Gillmor

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Sweetness! - Stephen Pickering

Steve thank you for doing this! The world is a very dull place without the gang! - Michael Pinto

Great to see The Gillmor Gang returning to the Interwebs! :) Will the episodes be available as audio and/or video podcasts for later downloading? Just in case I miss the live show... - Daniel Chow

Will the Gillmor Gang be available as a mp3 download via podcast feed? - Christian Burns from iPhone

PS Remember what we learned from Jason: Make it a point to tweet a thank you to @Rackspace - Michael Pinto

:) Thanks, Michael. Rackspace is very pleased to help bring Gillmor Gang back to the 'tubes! - Rob La Gesse

Rack 'em up. It's game on! - Micah

Heck, yeah! - Scott Greiff

Hope to see it available for download. - Dan Cameron

Yay, I am so glad to that GG is back!! Wooo hoooo! - Susan Beebe from iPhone

Glad the show is coming back and nice job on storming the castle for the Buchheit interview. - Mark Krynsky

Looking forward to it... - Wayne Sutton

yay! - Daniel Brusilovsky

wonderful; and thanks rackspace - w grant

GG Wikipedia page updated. :) - Alex Harden

Glad to see this who back on the air - Fred Grott

Since Steve never seems to respond to download questions can someone be sure to record it and torrent it or such, I've never understood the whole "real time is the new black if you're not here to catch the show live tough shit" unspoken message that seems to have been going on for awhile. I can't be the only one put off by this, the content is compelling, so I put up with it, I wish I had the willpower to not listen out of protest. :) - Michael Breslin

i agree. or put it on the bootleg feed - Sebastian Keil from email

Could you record the video of the show and post it on your Youtube account? - Charbax

Michael, I have responded. The shows will be published on YouTube and made available for download. - Steve Gillmor

SCREW YOU Scoble...SCREW YOU!!! - zxspectrum

Good to know Steve, I've seen the question asked so many times and never answered, I must have missed the time you did answer, my mistake, bottom line: I think the GG is the best thing on my ipod and when I can't get it on there and can't catch the show due to work it sucks. :) - Michael Breslin

I commend Steve for his dogged pursuit of the Real time Web aka Infinity Chip, though it is brutally painful at times to follow and/or be part of every step along the way. I too vote for a nice simple "old school" rss feed for the audio only recording. Then again, I am probably missing the point. - Jason Adams

Jason: only that the Gang is returning on video. Today I listened to a video cast of Meet the Press in the car, worked beautifully, and when I wanted to see the last few minutes of Kennedy footage, rewound and watched. Whether it is delivered by RSS or streaming is up to the user. In fact, it was easier to download directly via iPhone iTunes than synching the phone to the RSS feed on the Mac. Interestingly, it continues to download in the background while I go through email. - Steve Gillmor

Was that Meet the Press video cast live? The issue of video versus audio is moot for me, if I don't feel like watching I don't have to, it's the time shifted aspect that people are always asking for Steve. It seems you're commited to get the show in downloadable form and that's all I was ever asking for. That the show is now in video format is great for many, I generally listen to the majority of content I consume (even if its format is video). Thanks again, can't wait for today's GG! - Michael Breslin

Leo Laporte to Leo's feed, TWiT Conversations

Live now: The Gillmor Gang with Steve Gillmor, Mike Arrington, Hugh McLeod, Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, and Loren Feldman. http://live.twit.tv Discuss here...

June 6, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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how did he die ? - John Hillestad

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legal herion ? - John Hillestad

I don't wanna sound smushy but the world would be a worse place without Arrington, don't care if you guys love him or hate him xx - David Lloyd

Oh, just found this chat... thanks - Tina Chase Gillmor

wow - Karoli

kevin's link into live.twit.tv breaks - Karoli

my thoughts and prayers go out to his friends and family. also wish long life and good health to all of TWiT Army - Andrew Johnson

HI FROM GEORGIA GLAD YALL ARE OK - daveccorey

wow - David Lloyd

wow... - Chris Heath

I know serious Leo, that's serious Leo. - Mike Lewis

this will be news [edit: and it was http://www.google.com/search... & http://news.google.com/news... and personally I think Gawker had pretty good coverage of the whole dust-up http://gawker.com/5282089... ] - Chris Heath

no drama leo - Chris Heath

by that logic every person who revierws a product would be biased - David Lloyd

Techcrunch SUCKS! - Jason Hansen

wow! - John Hillestad

I'm so happy! - Jason Hansen

wow - just wow - Devin Baines

shortest gillmor gang ever - Karoli

lol that was classic - Chris Saad

Wow, social media drama! - imabonehead

/me applauds Leo for standing up to Arrington's crap - Omar Egan

Wow, I never saw Leo get mad before. That's a first. - Dave

Leo blew his top! - John Hillestad

It's about time someone put Arrington in his place. He is always so cocky! - Jason Hansen

man i only just caught the end - what happened? - h1ro

I missed it too - Simon Wicks

about time - Jim Posner

OMG - Steven (optionshiftk)

arrington accused leo of being biased b/c he got a review Palm Pre - Karoli

Props Leo - Nick Rae

Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist. FUCK YOU ARRINGTON - David Lloyd

Leo got a review Pre & Arrington was giving Leo crap about it. - Jason Hansen

Leo for President - Matthew

what a shitty move from arrington - leo would never do that sort of a thing he is always so upfront - h1ro

wow. missed arringtons part but saw leos reaction twit live is running reruns. - Kiran Patchigolla

Kinda felt that one coming for a long, long time. - Mike Lewis

Arrington should not disrespect Leo on his own network - Steven (optionshiftk)

The problem with arringtons argument is that every single review unit in history must mean ervery reviewer was biased - David Lloyd

wow - Tina Chase Gillmor

wow from condolences to troll in under 10 minutes. arrington needs to take his meds.You rock Leo - Andrew Johnson

Arrington's an asshole - Devin Baines

What jealousy can cause. +1 Leo - David Schmidt

@Michael that was indeed quite an over-reaction - Chris Saad

relax people... let's leave the name calling out of here - decjr

Mike just proved his bottom feeder business model by attacking one of the most trusted people in tech - Matthew

Sorry about that guys, but I've have enough of Arrington's trolling. - Leo Laporte

michael arrington Leo always discloses that info - Andrew Johnson

got funky hold music on calliflower - Kevin Marks

Mike, I agree, that should be disclosed, but the tone indicated bias and it was disrespectful! - Mike Lewis

You have nothing to apologize for Leo - Matthew

Leo is not for sale, fuck you king of the trolls, you always think you are right - David Lloyd

You did the right thing Leo! - Omar Egan

as much as Leo maybe right... he really should be more professional.... - John Hillestad

@leo i don't think anyone that knows your work would *ever* think of you not being a stand up guy on disclosure - h1ro

Totally out of line Arrington-if you did your research you would have seen that Leo gave a fair review of the pre-he didn't say it was 100% perfect - Harvey Birdman

nothing like factions to spice up a 10-minute Gillmor Gang episode. ROFL - Karoli

No need to apologize Leo How you feel and how you react id your right no worries - Erle Stride

Seemed a little uncalled for, I think Arrington was justified in asking to get the facts out there, but then again, I don't know their relationship to each other, maybe Arrington was being rude, maybe there's a code you guys like to follow. - Colin

did i miss something? - Kevin Marks

I agree. Leo has a history of owning Palm products and he was happy to see the Pre possilby bringing Palm to life again. Never once was it a biased comment. It was him being honest. My friend has a Pre... I have an iPhone.... people that don't have an iPhone or don't want an iPhone, the Pre will be a great choice. Arrington is a jerk. - Jason Hansen

yes Kevin - Matthew

the audio should go viral soon - Jim Posner

Kevin, yeah. A small nuclear implosion. - Karoli

Why are you confused Arrington? Are you serious? - Jason Hansen

Professional? It's his network!! He doesn't have to put up with Arrington's crap. In any event I think Arrington needs to be more profesional and stop all that thoughtless crap he says all the time. - Omar Egan

well, that was interesting. - Chris Pugh

Hehe - this the Real Time Web in action, that's fo sho - Devin Baines

you exist only to cause conflict mike, thats your purpose in life - David Lloyd

Mark, that's kind of harsh. Just sayin'. - Karoli

You rock Leo - don't take that crap. Arrington is a troll and just trying to bait you. Stick to your guns on this one. - Mike

Just like to say I love what all of you guys do, laying your opinions out there and getting into heated discussion, I wouldn't like it any other way. - Colin

@Michael u do lots of dick things to amuse yourself - but this wasn't one of them heh - total over-reaction - Chris Saad

thats the point ...its HIS network... storming off mad is not professional..... as much as Leo was right to be mad , he should have just cut him off.... - John Hillestad

michael arrington doesn't seem to be able to not be in provocative mode when talking about products and services - leo called him out when he said "what are you gonna do about it?" so leo did something about it... kinda sux cuz i was liking the gillmor gang, but i respect leo laporte for standing up for himself in this instance even if it was a big misunderstanding - Chris Heath

apologies if i overeacted xxx - David Lloyd

Jeez, I leave for 20 minutes and miss it? you have got to be kidding me. This live stream approach is pissing me off. - Aron Michalski

It's his network, running Arrington's show... Leo did the right thing. - Omar Egan

Leo would have disclosed it was a review model. There was no need to accuse him of being bias just because it was a review model. Leo might have over reacted a little but Arrington was questioning his honesty and Leo maybe over enthusiastic but he his not dishonest. - Kim Landwehr

I'll be uploading the audio here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

as we are all effectively coming into leo's front room, anyone should be polite to our host - h1ro

yeah, why would Mike say "What are you going to do about it"? is he really that caveman-ish? - Matthew

kim they were talking about how it was a review model... - Chris Heath

Any chance we can hire someone from the Zapruder family to document this stuff? - Aron Michalski

Chris is right... Why would you ask, "What are you gonna do about it?" That was very childish. - Jason Hansen

@jason who said that? - h1ro

I have been so frustrated with many of the people on the Gilmor Gang, but someone needs to be talking about this stuff... [edited/retracted part of this comment] ... I don't think Leo should to take over, I just think something needs to happen to get the show refocused on the content and not the personalities. - Joel Asaro

Guys, Leo is human as is everyone. I'm not familiar with the previous relationship that he had with Michael, but he's probably having a bad day and got annoyed to be mistreated by Michael just like he did. I also dislike when people have prejudices against others. Furthermore, Leo was planning to buy his Pre a long long time ago. The fact that he got a review unit in does not make him biased. - Paulius G

Its kind of funny I turned on Twit Tv and all I got of the show was that last minute. - zephyrlily

If the Mike Arrington supporters ever bothered to watch Leo's shows, they would have seen he has stated it was a review model and even stated he will probably stay with his iPhone. So get a clue - Harvey Birdman

Joel, I love Leo, but he should absolutely NOT take over Steve Gillmor's show. - Karoli

cliff - please call me if you can - Tina Chase Gillmor

the thing i was most excited about leo hosting the gillmor gang is that there might be some decent production values! - h1ro

I agree with Kim Landwehr. I have never been able to find a moment in which Leo has been dishonest .. keep workin' it Leo! - John Blanton

tina - which #? d msg me. - Cliff Gerrish

Waiting for the TC post :) - Chris Saad

im sure mike will make a post out of this yes :) he will have a provocative title and claim he did nothing wrong - David Lloyd

Joel, that's TWiT (on sundays) - Chris Heath

Arrington - Leo said it was a review unit. To start spinning it that he may be "influenced" on a guy who's spent his entire career being an ethical journalist was unnecessary... especially when your hosting your show on his network. I know its in your nature but bro, that's not what the show is about - get a pause button. Stop burning bridges. - Thusenth

I'll miss Mike Arrington =( - Colin

just wild to hear Leo Laporte say "Fuck you"...he must've been brewing for awhile. - Karoli

Karoli - i was shocked too! - Chris Heath

yes, it was brewing for months - David Lloyd

Went downstairs just as everyone was signing on - came back up and it's over - :p - LPH™ and his dog P™

I think that's the first time I've seen angry leo - Chris Pugh

Mike Arrington, has a way to trip peoples trigger, he seems to get a kick out of it. Like it makes him a big man. - Kim Landwehr

Well, come on.... Arrington has been an ass for how long? - Jason Hansen

What's next a 5 minute NGL @ 3am PDT? - Aron Michalski

Wondering if somebody minds if we put the recording of this, shortest ever Gilmor Gang onto YouTube? - Mike Hellers

I won't miss him.. The show is always better when Arrington's not on the show anyways. - Omar Egan

years no doubt :p - David Lloyd

I agree with Leo 100% here. I would have said this in the IRC chat, but would have been booted. - Jason Hansen

I feel bad for Steve and Mrs gillmor tho - David Lloyd

Go Leo! :-) - Moobie

Is Tina Gillmor still in here? - Jason Hansen

Aron, a 5-minute NGL at any time of day would be more than what it is now. LOL - Karoli

Leo spends a lot of his own money on products to be sure that he doesn't "owe" manufacturers anything. Even his advertisements are only for products he uses and likes himself. He only requested this unit because he records today, the day the Pre goes on sale, so he couldn't go out and buy one. If Leo is biased about a product or a company it's because he genuinely likes it. It's something Leo takes very seriously, and he had every right to be upset at someone impugning his honor, rightly or wrongly. - invariant

hello - Tina Chase Gillmor

Kind of like telling a friend his kids are ugly while crashing at their house for the weekend...don't be surprised if you are shown the door. - Jim Posner

very true, invariant - Eric Florenzano

good point invariant - Chris Heath

hey Tina - sorry this happened - Hilary Talbot

Tina, I have a good feeling this will work itself out :) I think that boiling point just needed to happen and cooler heads will prevail :) - Mike Lewis

Did the show start at the top of the hour? - zephyrlily

Incredible: Someone already updated Arrington's wikipedia page with a short description of the incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Steven (optionshiftk)

The Mike: Arrington will never change. - Jason Hansen

Iunno invariant, I still think the question wasn't that crazy, and I was interested in the answer until I realized it really upset Leo. - Colin

I would be upset at having my integrity challenged too. - Karoli

love you tina, you are a top chick xxx - David Lloyd

I JUST POSTED TO YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Mike Bracco

Jason, agree, which is why you won't hear Leo and Mike together on GG anymore. - Mike Lewis

Tina.... MWAH. I'm coming your way next week... - Karoli

thanks @Mike Bracco - detorn

I think Leo is officially in the Gillmor Gang! - Wo

RETWEET: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

Karoli - let's get together when you do - Tina Chase Gillmor

Colin - I'm not necessarily saying Mike was wrong to ask, I'm just saying that I could understand Leo's reaction. - invariant

I'm very shocked... for the record - Tina Chase Gillmor

In my best cartman voice "I'm taking my network and going home." - Paul E. Ester

crazy that this happened just signed up on ff to participate in the show - Will Fifer

What happened? - J. Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

I'm sad my GG was cut short. It's my favorite show of the week. - Wo

Hmm, I just re-watched the Youtube video, Arrington saying, "What are you going to do about it?" was childish heh, Leo called his bluff. - Colin

yeah the "what are you going to do about it" from arrington probably not a great move - h1ro

Just watched the video again - Seriously, Mike did nothing wrong heh - Chris Saad

re what happened Arington said Leo was biased because he has a review unit, Leo is the ULTIMATE ethical tech journalist - David Lloyd

If I was not there to see it live I would guess it was staged. - Steven (optionshiftk)

He never said he was biased - listen carefully - he just said let's get the disclosures out of the way and mentioned that Leo was one of the few to get a demo unit - that's it - Chris Saad

it was not staged, the anger was real - David Lloyd

Leo always seemed to be above the GG shenanigans but it's nice he's now down to the GG level. I respect that. - Wo

I thought Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)

If things didn't get broken once in a while I might not think you guys were actually fighting, so keep it up! lol ;) - Colin

So I take it there isn't going to be a Gillmor Gang this week? - Dave

I think the "what are you going to do about it" was the kicker - Chris Pugh

I really hope it's not the end of TGG on TWiT. - Wo

GG is not dead, it will be back - David Lloyd

just not on twit - David Lloyd

realtime web ladies and gentlemen, friendfeeded, twittered and youtubed within ten minutes of the incident. - russtbarnacle

well Paul, Mike did ask Leo what he would do about it. He did something. He cut his ass off - russellcoleman

@chris i think the "what are you going to do about it" wasn't exactly a calming move - more a troll move - h1ro

Chris, remember Mike was not watching the video, so he though Leo was being facetious - Steven (optionshiftk)

Damn, I slept through the Gillmor Gang, sorry Steve (I flew back from Virginia this morning and was dead tired. - Robert Scoble

yes russelcoleman haha - David Lloyd

got it on facebook too @russtbarnacle - detorn

Leo took his ball and is going home. - Wo

arrington has been a complete assclown on the show before - Moose

you missed a classic Scoble - David Lloyd

lol - detorn

it takes alot to upset Leo, i mean REALLY pset Leo - David Lloyd

Now this is really getting Web 2.0, even the Robert Scoble is here! - Paulius G

@Robert you can re-watch the whole 5 second show here http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Chris Saad

@scoble http://www.youtube.com/watch... action replay - h1ro

This had been brewing for a while.... It was only a matter of time.... Leo defended himself and was correct in doing so, It`s his network and his credibility which was questioned. - David Peralta

russtbarnacle - do you see any irony in the claim of the real-time web youtubed, friendfeeded, twittered and archived? LOL - Karoli

Maybe Scoble could have calmed Leo down. - Steven (optionshiftk)

RT http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

GG will still be on Twit as long as Mike isn't on it - zephyrlily

Dan is censoring the irc chat room... - John Hillestad

I was looking forward to the Pre discussion. - Wo

Before Thursday, Leo had said that he intended to buy a Palm Pre as soon as it came out, but that he'd like to get one a bit early, if possible. His radio show is on Saturday and he wanted to have one to review during that show. I don't think he gets review units very often; this one was something of an unexpected surprise. I think he only got it on Thursday. - Troy McConaghy

Robert Scoble - call Steve in 10 minutes or when you're alert - Tina Chase Gillmor

hundreds of peopel are watching this thread btw in real time - David Lloyd

I suppose it's just me, but seriously, half the time this show is "real time real time" and Scoble screaming FreidnFeed, power to Leo - Chris

NO MORE GILMORE GANG NOT ENOUGH RESPECT TO THE MAN PROVIDING THE SERVICE - Daryl Brown

think Leo was beyond calming down, it was weeks of little snide commentsb y arrington that exploded - David Lloyd

was great a few weeks ago when Loren made Arrington cry and go home - Moose

Leo really is doing a tremendous favor donating his time to broadcast the GG. After a 3 hour radio show, who could help but be cranky. - Steven (optionshiftk)

the incident : http://www.youtube.com/watch... - John Hillestad

Gillmor Gang continues. It has been around for years before twit - Tina Chase Gillmor

HAHA, awesome, Leo put the Pre unboxing video on! - invariant

Tina, wasn't it supposed to record on Friday at 3? - Karoli

Mike will apologize and that will be that. Leo felt insulted and it seemed to be a misunderstanding. Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington. - Wo

I just watched the video. GG will survive, but without Arrington. - Gilbert - Joe Gilbert

Thanks to whomever posed the incident; some things never change. - Aron Michalski

Sounds reasonable Mark, and I remember that Moose. To be honest, it's Leo's network and he can do as he wishes, and if you throw torches in his house, he's bound to crack eventually. Glad to see this up again, I missed it. - Chris

not angry at you or Steve, you are first class professionals tina xx - David Lloyd

"Arrington respects Laporte and Laporte respects Arrington." I have no idea about arrington but leo has called him a troll several times - jccalhoun

they shut the IRC down. FF is just as good - Mike

Why is Dan muting the IRC chat? Just because he doesn't like to see people talking about what just happened? - tollie williams

Just hope Arrington does not publish a defamatory post about Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Yes...Karoli... but we had a family problem yesterday - Tina Chase Gillmor

Dan is a tool - David Lloyd

Tina, sorry to hear that. :( I nearly missed the fun. - Karoli

its funny everyone in California is a liberal until they CENSOR their own irc chat room.... very ' bush ' thing to do Dan.... - John Hillestad

There's a dictator in the IRC chat? Not cool. - Colin

There was use in shutting down the chat. People will use FF to discuss the incident. - Steven (optionshiftk)

that irc chat has more drama and BS going on.. i swear it needs to get a Daytime Emmy - Moose

I'd love to see Arrington go after Leo - Leo has waaaaaay more ethical clout than Arrington and the respect of the whole community / industry - Mike

you can't censor something if you aren't the government - jccalhoun

FF just gained a lot of points. - Colin

I am behind you leo - Theodore Grabow

Leo can do whatever he wishes with the IRC chat, it is on his server. Let's respect his authority. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Leo's rant > Christian Bale's - Chris

twit irc has never been a free speech zone. go in there and say the f word and see how long you last - jccalhoun

if Leo told Dan to shut down the IRC that's one thing, but I think Dan just made an executive decision which is only going to fuel the fire - Mike

jccalhoun after today that may be changing. LOL - Karoli

yeah the irc server is a bit odd, i dont think leos audience is children, who need protecting from big naughty words - David Lloyd

Been there jccalhoun, that's why I try to spend more time here. - Colin

Whoa. Not sure what to think about all that, but "Whaddya gonna do about it" is a pretty bullying -- even thuggish -- thing to say... - Amyloo

Oh please, if there's any time to moderate a chat room, it's now. - Bwana ☠

there is/was an adult irc channel - Moose

And our point Bwana, is that there is never a time to moderate. - Colin

mark, actually there are a fair number of tweens in there. - jccalhoun

hey Amy - Hilary Talbot

Leo had a right to be angry but I wish he hadn't gotten so angry as to close the show, would have been better to see them fight it out as to the Pre, a few fuck yous and then go on with the show - Stephen Pickering

facebook real time chat is better to be honest, we can speak our minds without being banned by those power hungry mods - David Lloyd

Never a time to moderate eh? Well have fun - Bwana ☠

hey hil, did you catch that? - Amyloo

My 2 cents, I'm behind Leo 100%, there is no need to give assholes like that airtime. - Robert Hafer

yes, it was all over in minutes... - Hilary Talbot

Yes.. Gillmor Gang is off ... Arrington out line .... for third time .... - Michael Holzinger

yes cos preteens have never heard curse words, their lives will be destroyed! - David Lloyd

Chris - don't be silly. Leo's rant was nothing. Is everyone so bored today that they have to get off on this nonsense? - LPH™ and his dog P™

I think Dan did not like people posting the youtube links to the F bomb so he censored the room like he would Gitmo - John Hillestad

I think leo felt slighted from steve when he wasn't introduced in the beginning. During the arrington exchange Steve is laughing away. - Paul E. Ester

Besides, Bwana, it just sends the conversation here... until this thread gets deleted (if it does). - tollie williams

i'm guessing the people talking about "power hungry mods" are people who pissed off the mods... - jccalhoun

Dan runs a tight ship - russellcoleman

When someone is typing the letter "a" 600 times a minute and actually ruining the service, sure, use the system to fix that, but other than that, this current mute is silly. - Colin

Yeah, because IRC is a right, not a privilege - Bwana ☠

I would assume Leo will delete this conversation - Steven (optionshiftk)

oh, I love it when people are called 'power hungry mods'. It usually means they've done something right. - Karoli

Tina: I will call Steve. Wow, sounds like I missed a something. - Robert Scoble

the biggest thing to happen in the TWITverse in like...forever...and Dan shuts down the chat? weak! - zefyr

If this thread gets deleted by anyone it'll re-start somewhere else... You just can't stop it. - Holger Eilhard

Arrington abuses Scoble all the time, but Scoble just laughs - Stephen Pickering

Robert - you certainly did - Devin Baines

I wonder if killing the show was what Arrington had in mind as a response when he asked "Whaddya gonna do about it?" - Thusenth

OK Robert... yeah, you missed somethiing - Tina Chase Gillmor

Can they just do the show today without Leo. They have a great panel and I want my GG this week. - Wo

Of course not Bwana, but if you want to facilitate open discussion, keep your channel open. - Colin

cut & paste this thread to prove it ' existed ' - John Hillestad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Aron Michalski

LOL @ Scobles understatement - Moose

"What are you going to do about it?" *initiating shutdown sequence* - zephyrlily

google indexes this stuff fast anyway - Karoli

Steve says GG will resume as soon as we can make new arrangements - Tina Chase Gillmor

resume as in today.. somewhere else? - Moose

good old steve, another one of the good guys - David Lloyd

today Tina? - Wo

any one with firefox could have downloaded it already for "posterity"... - Aron Michalski

thanks for the update @tina - h1ro

Will Steve try and stream it over ustream? - Steven (optionshiftk)

not today maybe tomorrow or Monday after WWDC - Tina Chase Gillmor

Here's a similar incident that happened in the past: http://www.techcult.com/wired-v... - invariant

@Bwana Moderation certainly helps in many cases, but it's also nice to have an unmoderated place to chat for those that want it. - Antoniu

TWiT is much more than just the Gillmor Gang though. - Jason Hansen

I'm not sure why it pushed my buttons so hard - closing down the show was overreacting for sure and I apologize for the disrespect it showed the other panelists. Arrington is a piece of work. I can think of one time when he stimulated the conversation in a very positive manner (his question about how to respond to an invitation to talk from a guy he was slamming) but most of the time he... more... - Leo Laporte

Aron, Theatre of the Absurd is an excellent description. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Karoli

Well Tina, if we can help by being an audience, just let us know when and if it's happening... - Aron Michalski

This is absolutely asinine. Leo Laporte has done nothing but good for his audience and viewers in the past. Leo deserves better than to work with some boldfaced idiot like Arrington. Leo was NOT in the wrong by any means necessary. I couldn't care less if I ever heard from Arrington again. - David Ford

And Mike really wonders why people "do things" to him...? - Holger Eilhard

good statement Leo - David Lloyd

I would have to say that Arrington was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was a BIG straw, but Leo has been under a lot of stress as of late. Hang in there Leo! - Patrick Hall

Why isn't the Gilmore Gang part of the whole TWiT feed in iTunes? - Michael Kaiser

Well done Leo, he really is a troll and I applaud you for not putting up with his shit. - Simon Tracey

WTG Leo - Moose

he is a troll, the king of the trolls, but he is just so damn powerful and influential :( - David Lloyd

Leo: Let Gillmor Gang do their own thing. - Jason Hansen

Jason is coming to the TWiT network btw, as a sindicate - David Lloyd

It's all fun and games until you get kicked off TWiT - Bwana ☠

Does Gillmor Gang get posted somewhere after the fact? http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/ hasn't been updated since April. - Thusenth

@Leo Thanks to you sir for standing up for us. I for one have NEVER liked Arrington. I don't think the GG should continue on TWiT. - David Ford

You called his bluff Leo, I say continue without Arrington, if that's possible. - Colin

Wow. Leo's response to what happened was very honorable. That shows the difference between Leo and Arrington. Arrington would never have the decency to respond in such a reasonable way on FF. That's why we love Leo. - Steven (optionshiftk)

Oh No, ARRINGTONS POST is up oN TC - David Lloyd

doesnt mention leo tho - David Lloyd

lmao Bwana - Moose

@leo i don't think anything that happened today has even slightly damaged my opinion of you or the Twit network. it seemed like arrington was deliberately trying to push your buttons for whatever reason. i think you made the move that was right for you at the time. keep up the great work and go have a nice cup of peppermint tea - h1ro

What an interesting political dilemma. Leo won't do anything with Arrington, Steve edits TechcrunchIT - Karoli

I would never kick you off Bwana! - Leo Laporte

Leo: The only people you didn't disrespect was Steve Gillmor, he laughed through the whole thing, & Arrington. - Jason Hansen

GG Never felt like the right vibe for TWiT. Don't blame you for how you feel Leo. No worries. Please come back on and we can do something fun. - Libertine

Yeah Karoli. Therein lies the difficulty. - Leo Laporte

Looks like Leo does have some weight behind him - Earthquake just felt in the Bay Area. - Mike

Wow, I missed a lot. Leo, keep Gillmor Gang off of TWiT. You did the right thing, and I thank you for it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

Leo :) - Bwana ☠

I think they're saving up so that catching up on back episodes will fill your hard drive... - Aron Michalski

Stick to your guns Leo. Integrity is everything. - Chuck

Leo, in response to your question of whether to cancel the GG, I personally like it on TWIT Live. - Steven (optionshiftk)

"Dan if all the chat is going to be for the next half hour is people obsessing about it - i think it's best not to have open chat." WTF? lol - Erle Stride

Wow, never seen Leo like that. Gotta defend yourself if someone thinks your being bought out. - Adam Windisch

Let's go back to broadcasting GG the old way... I want to throw Mike off the show. - Jerry Schuman

wow can't believe I missed it give em hell Leo. Please don't cancel the gilmore gang though, I love to hate those guys - BryanSchuetz

MP3 of the whole show: http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

The thing about Leo, he wouldnt even advertise a product he doesnt love! he has to ADORE A PRODUCT to endorse it - David Lloyd

I think Dan is out of line cutting off IRC, if Leo didn't want conversation about this he would have deleted this thread. - Mike Saraf

Well, my vote is that the Gillmor Gang continue without restriction. If restrictions mean not working with you, Leo, then I guess that's my vote. - Karoli

@mark link for arringtons post on tc? - h1ro

I could do without GG on Twit Live personally, never felt like a good fit compared to the rest of your shows. Would personally rather see your time/energy on more interesting things (the new Google Show, for example). - Patrick Sullivan

Erie - I don't blame Dan...I would have just moderated the channel for voiced users though. But he runs it, and there's always other places to chat. - Bwana ☠

Leo, I enjoy the Gillmor Gang on TWiT Live but don't think you should stand for being bated and trolled. - Chris Pugh

I love GG with Loren .. Arrington is a distraction at best - Moose

Just get rid of Mike, everyone else seems to play nice, he's the common denominator in every incident. - Colin

@Mark That post has nothing to do with what happend on Gillmor Gang though. - Antoniu

Bwana Who's Erie? - Erle Stride

it was a mistake h1ro, it said it came from arringtons twitter, but its not about leo but about engineers they poached - David Lloyd

I didn't "cut off irc".. i decided to mute it for a few minutes to qwell the constant gossip. It will be back in a few minutes. - Dan Hendricks

Steve laughed because surely he thought this was a joke - Tina Chase Gillmor

With htat said, I'm no fan of Mike Arrington's. I am a GG fan and a Leo fan. - Karoli

Erle - Erie is you when I'm reading without my glasses - Bwana ☠

Leo , look at it this way you had your ball meme the other week and now you've got this video that could meme,your on a roll your the meme machine! - russtbarnacle

i think many of us thought it was a joke for the first few seconds - David Lloyd

:) - Bwana ☠

Leo is going on techmeme? - David Lloyd

I imagine Gilmore and Arrington may be a package deal - zefyr

Bwana I know just breaking balls - Erle Stride

I agree that Dan should unmute IRC. @Bwana, he didn't filter it for trolls. He personally didn't like the TWiT community discussing the current event. IMHO - not the best use of censorship. - tollie williams

I deserved it :) - Bwana ☠

irc has a gossip filter? - Moose

Would be a bit politically touchy for Steve to toss Mike off GG to stay on Twit network...just sayin'. - Karoli

Isn't this all Marc Canters fault? He usually brings the sunshine to the gang. - Paul E. Ester

So did anyone happen to record video of the show? I missed it - BryanSchuetz

IRC is back for anyone interested - Mike

Dan - do your thing. I have an inkling of an idea of what you're going through. - Bwana ☠

Maybe they can alternate Mike and Leo each week? - Dave

So lets see Huge issue happens in Twit And the way Dan feels to deal with it is to NOT allow Leos' Army to discuss it? WOW - Erle Stride

FF > IRC - David Lloyd

Dan, good thing tomorrow is a slow tech news day, huh? :P - Mike Lewis

until they add custom formatting here? Lo - David Lloyd

Wow I've only seen two episodes of GG so far. Gotta say last weeks show was better. Hang in there Leo. - John Brazel

you got that one right Professor. - John Blanton from twhirl

RT http://www.youtube.com/watch... - David Lloyd

Some people are calling this set up...i don't believe it, but i guess its possible. - Zee.

Full show here, it was good at the beginning: http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

RT Jason Calicanus "This is what happens when I resign from the Gillmor Gang... everyone loses it! :-)" - David Lloyd

Doing set ups is not Leo's style, which is the reason I absolutely don't believe the theories of this being intentional. - Paulius G

Yeah, for a moment I thought it was staged, like all this Bruno Eminem thing, but I guess it's NOT. - Nir Ben Yona

If this was a setup then Bruno's balls in Eminems face was real - Chris Pugh

well Leo can act, but that would be an oscar performance - David Lloyd

Zee: it's not setup. Boy, this has kicked off a whole debate in the scoble household with Maryam and Halley Suitt. I sure missed a humdinger to sleep through! - Robert Scoble

Just to be clear, I almost always buy the products I review, mostly because I don't like "owing" the PR folks and I hate the "when are you planning on covering it" phone calls, but also to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest. My policy when I accept a review unit is to return the unit and buy one at full retail if I want to keep using it. I don't even do "friends and family... more... - Leo Laporte

Well said Leo! - Harvey Birdman

I wonder if the show notes are on the twit wiki yet - David Lloyd

Leo has 30 year history of integrity - David Lloyd

@Leo Mike never accused you of otherwise - Chris Saad

Leo: I just received a Palm Pre unit that I have to return in seven days, too. - Robert Scoble

He was just getting the disclosures out of the way - Chris Saad

Leo, as someone who occasionally reviews products too, I totally get where you're coming from. Questioning your integrity was out of line and yes, trollish. - Karoli

Leo you are beyond reproach. - BryanSchuetz

right on - and that's why we all respect your opinion - h1ro

Chris, there was more than that to it - Karoli

We know, Leo, and we trust your reviews as a result - Devin Baines

Not so Chris - he very clearly was implying that there was some quid pro quo for the review unit. - Leo Laporte

Thank you Leo. Now, to those of you who said otherwise about Leo, I have the same thing to say to you as he said to Arrington. - David Ford

What Mike asked was fine, and how Leo responded was fine, what was not fine was the comment, "What are you going to do about it?" - Colin

No he really wasn't - listen to the youtube recording - he stopped you before you even reviewed the thing and just wanted to get the disclosure out of the way - Chris Saad

You don`t have to explain yourself Leo, your integrity is well recognized and we don`t pay attention to trolls. We are behind you 100%. I say the show takes a hike - David Peralta

re colin, flame baiting? - David Lloyd

Sorry guys, but all I can think of right now is : Man I love friendFeed - TunisianGuy

It was snarky, and the reiteration of the "free pre" thing was just the extra stab. - Karoli

can you call tina please Leo xx - David Lloyd

@tunisianguy i just wish that friendfeed would autoscroll to the bottom of this page when there is new content - h1ro

Awesome statement Leo, I just reblogged it so people are clear - Bwana ☠

@Leo as I said above - Mike does lots of crazy things - this wasn't one of them - his point was "did u get a free one, wow most of us didn't" - Chris Saad

I'm really bummed out because I like both Leo and Mike and now I feel a bit caught in between. Sort of like having two divorcing parents, I guess. - Robert Scoble

Mark, am I flame-baiting do you mean, or Mike's comment? - Colin

Everyone is on your side Leo! you did the right thing, don't doubt that for a second! - Jack

Gilmor Gang should continue on TWiT, with Steve in charge of the guests he wants to bring on. Michael Arrington can cause friction but there has been plenty of outrageous comments on GG. Arrington is too much of a force in the digital universe to simply ignore. I very much admire Leo for what he is doing with TWiT and understand losing his temper. But, if Leo doesn't want to do the show, then have someone else "moderate" it. We need to hear all sides and opinions presented on shows like GG. - Michael Ritter

Leo got Pwned lol. - Matt Ruiz

friendfeed needs to either put a margin at the bottom of the page or else stop scrolling when i'm typing. it's distracting to type while messages push it down. grrrrr. - Karoli

RT Scoble---pick the better parent then---Leo - Harvey Birdman

Remember when RSS was dead? Those were the days. Ok, last week. - Professor Messer

Leo, we know better, despite what arrington says. I hope you don't think we'd believe him over you. - Lise

We love you Leo! - Moobie

that means two Christmas's Scoble = Win - BryanSchuetz

Harvey: I will stay with both. My friends don't force me to choose. - Robert Scoble

Professer Messer, LOL. Ah, for the good ole' days when RSS died. - Karoli

@Robert choose life :) - Chris Saad

Well said, Robert. - David Ford

Chris Saad that name rings a bell, doesnt he own apml.org? - David Lloyd

Canter was on GG via TWiT.. showing everyone his stash of weed....Steve forgave hime for that and he was back on a few weeks later - Moose

Chris: it's interesting how things like these cause conversations big time. - Robert Scoble

@Mark yes I do - Chris Saad

:25 in the youtube video trying to figure out what Arrington says... - Thomas McGivern

Robert, not so interesting. Conflict always draws observers and opinions. - Karoli

@Robert of course they do - this is one big highschool replay :) - Chris Saad

Leo was very clear it was a review unit. Had Arrington stopped there things might have continued fine. He continued saying "Free Pre"and then said "What are you going to do about it". It was classic bully antics .... - Jason Beck

Chris: life is one big highschool replay. ;-) - Robert Scoble

Hey ProfesorMesser loving the aplus course-you are a great podcaster.(will this get me an A) - earl wallace

Yet another reason for me to continue my personal Boycott of TC. Just as I was starting to read them again, :( - Jimminy, CoG of FF

@Robert lol true I guess - Chris Saad

Agreed, this is life. - Colin

@Scoble -- lol, wish you'd been there.. might have diffused the situation! - Adnan

Free Pre which yo8u can keep for 7 days? Thats hardly a game changetr - David Lloyd

Leo, I have total respect for you, your approach and network. You had every right to respond as you did. We all know you are a gadget freak and have always appeared to operate with forthright integrity. My own run ins with Arrington for holding a non-Arrington opinion (read popular) probably don't even register with him. It left me feeling as if I had been played and with a very bad taste in my mouth. Success is measured in different ways. - Aron Michalski

In other news, I'm still not getting a Pre, but it's a cool piece of hardware! - Mike Lewis

Jason: Arrington is a bully sometimes, but that's what makes him interesting. Not everyone likes that approach, though. - Robert Scoble

Its not late to bring some peace back - Johni Fisher

You don't bully leo though scoble - Jack

...and the pug barks, life goes on. GG will find a new home, which we may or may not find because it will be real-time only, and we will have to rely on reading our tea leaves or gluing ourselves to Twitter and/or Friendfeed to find it. Ah, the power of the gesture. - Karoli

I feel that Mike is losing 'street Cred" in the tech world..... - Stanley Suan

Just finished watching Apocalypse Now for the first time - crazy film - almost as weird as the @leolaporte @arrington freakout :) - Chris Saad

Adnan: I doubt I could have diffused this one. I would have been forced to be on Leo's side because I have a review unit now from Palm too. - Robert Scoble

You have a "free pre" then in Mikes eyes - David Lloyd

It's on the reddits now - http://bit.ly/u0Ilr - James

"what are you going to do about it?" is never anything but a dick move in my book - jccalhoun

Karoli lol - russtbarnacle

Arrington maybe interesting to the people watching the conversation, infuriating those who are part of the conversation.. - Kim Landwehr

was the google show suposed to be sat and gg on fri? - Steve Ford

Tina I pinged you yesterday about getting together with Karoli. - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

No reason Leo need suffer fools gladly on the network he created. Rock on Mr. Laporte! - John Brazel

Actually Canter is infuriating - Mike is fun :) - Chris Saad

Steve: yes, but the Gillmors had a family issue they had to take care of yesterday. - Robert Scoble

Francine - sorry didn't get it .. Yesterday was a mess for me/us - Tina Chase Gillmor

whats arringtons take on all this? - Dano Hart

he hasnt commented publically, he is with his dog - David Lloyd

Don't you Think the GG meltdown was really about Rajeev's death and raw feelings? - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

I like cheese. - Benjamin Grelle

Who really cares what arrington's take is on anything? - Harvey Birdman

I like John Cheese - David Lloyd

@ right, but it seemed to me that there was lots of stuff going on backstage getting it together and onto youtube and so on, and this will likely disrupt that effort. As well as the political concerns you mentioned before. - Hilary Talbot

that was @karoli, sorry - Hilary Talbot

Ok! Is there any other show please. I'm all set up. Bulleit Bourbon and everything! Damn you Palm - TunisianGuy

Yes, they needed you there Robert. I think you could have diffused it, like you did when Jason and Cantor were getting into it, but I have to admit I've never seen Leo get that angry - Stephen Pickering

Dano - I don't think arrington understands what happened, he said earlier he went for a walk - Moobie

@Harvey lol err... everyone cares - that's why he runs one of the biggest Tech news & events companies in the valley - Chris Saad

Stephen: I agree, I've never seen Leo lose it like that. Arrington makes me feel like that once in a while too. - Robert Scoble

There's just something about the Gillmor Gang that seems to engender flame-ups. It's not the direction I want to take TWiT, frankly. - Leo Laporte

Hard to have a decent conversation when someone is poking you with a shark stick, don't care who it is... - Aron Michalski

I agree with Harvey, no one cares - David Peralta

@Chris-that's funny, I've only heard about him because of Leo. - Harvey Birdman

Leo I've watched you from all the way back since ZDTV. Even helped out in the chats as a ZDTV chat host. Still watch you today. I have deeply respected you from those days and after what I've seen today I still hold very high respect for you. It's not cool to see anyone question anyone about their integrity over any product or anything for that matter. Just sounds more like this Mike... more... - Grady Joslin

has gillmore commented - Steve Ford

I think most of us would agree leo - Jack

@Grady Joslin - Well said, and seconded, sir. - David Ford

I agree with you Leo - Theodore Grabow

Updated the bootleg feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

Agreed Leo - Moobie

Well, at least I didn't have to miss the Belmont Stakes! - Stephen Pickering

Leo I'm with you. You don't need a show like GG on your network - russellcoleman

Waffles are also delicious. - Benjamin Grelle

Halley says "your sleeping was brilliant strategically." Ahh, my nap wasn't planned. Heheh - Robert Scoble

i'm glad to know friendfeed can handle all this.hehe - Dano Hart

arrington posts on techcrunch http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - jccalhoun

RT ARRINGTON http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - David Lloyd

Dano: there's a reason why I have been so excited about friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Decent post by Arrington with some gracious comments - David Lloyd

He respects Leo I think - David Lloyd

Looks like we need president Obama to mediate between the sides and straighten the difficulties, otherwise the gang will be out of its sting. - Nir Ben Yona

@robertscoble yeah I like this better than twitter, but everyones on twitter. That TC post is what I wanted to read was mikes side, just cause I'm curious - Dano Hart

anyway to get the latest post at the top? - detorn

obama is too busy going on ' date night ' - John Hillestad

Good post from Mike. - invariant

Good post form Mike. with an apology - David Lloyd

Mike apologizes to Leo - David Peralta

if Leo was 99% of any other tech journos, he wouldnt have gotten that apology - David Lloyd

Respect exists. - David Lloyd

Do a twitter search on leo laporte and you see thousands of people agreeing with leo. sometimes people just need to be told what they are doing is wrong and leo did exactly that. thumbs up leo - Austin Garrod

yes ive been monitoring a number of comment places and its 95% support Leo across platforms - David Lloyd

Arrington apologizes, the nukes are put away. - Karoli

if most people weren't supporting Leo I don't see arrington apologizing. doesn't arrington have some place besides the front page of techcrunch to apologize? Some place that won't get him more publicity and make him out to look like a big man for apologizing? - jccalhoun

well I am sure this might make techmeme, what do you think? - David Lloyd

Good post by Mike Arrington on Tech Crunch, He obviously spoke before he thought and now is sorry. - Kim Landwehr

In some strange way, I think Palm is the winner here - Bwana ☠

the Arrington apology doesn't sound like an apology... he's saying he is sorry leo was offended by the question, not that he asked it... - detorn

finally got to the end of this thing.... friendfeed conversations are getting way way too long.. guess that's kinda the worry leo has had about 'spam' on ff - Christopher Harris

whats that tech site which has the gutter news? - David Lloyd

I now have a headache - Bwana ☠

he did apologize : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - John Hillestad

James: for arrington, thats a gracious apology, as close as will ever be - David Lloyd

To quote Arrington's "apology" - "Comment moderation is going to be tight on this post, so keep it constructive." Unlike here where we can actually speak out minds and exercise our opinions without moderation. Arrington has lost a lot of credibility here I think. - Simon Tracey

Weakest. Apology. Ever. - Eric Florenzano

The full show! http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Chris

Well that was a very nice apology. I might have to reconsider. - Leo Laporte

Leo-don't, he's not worth it. - Harvey Birdman

"And I don’t consider asking a journalist to disclose if a device he says he loves was given to him for free or not as being a particularly trollish thing to do." Arrington see not an apology, an explanation. Not taking sides either way, but call this what it is - detorn

Not one of the finest moments on TWiT but very understandable. Leo's built a great career out of his knowledge and integrity and Arrington seems to be the type to push anyone's buttons he can.... That's what has made them both successful in their own right. Cooler heads will always prevail, and I think this is won't be an exception - Kyle

@bwana I agree on both statements. It is good for palm and I do have a headache from catching up on all this.hehe - Dano Hart

Leo be the better man and accept his apology and keep the show running... - John Hillestad

Whoa. I was just gonna question if Leo was going to reconsider. I think respects you, Leo. Mike is who he is, but I think he realized he screwed up. - Lise

I kind of figure from Mike Arrington, this is about as big of apology as he is going to give. - Kim Landwehr

Make peace not war Leo. - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Leo, my friend, for Arrington, that was as close to getting down and kissing your feet he will ever do to anyone. He respects you. - David Lloyd

Leo, even though I am a fan of the Gillmor Gang, I completely understand if you decide it would be best if they find another host. - Dave

Peace may be the best solution here; although I do agree the GG stands out as having a different tone than other TWiT shows, not one I'm particularly fond of. Maybe a peaceful parting is the best solution? - Jason Beck

You are all friends ....we cant change the past go for a better future - Johni Fisher

Nice, I post a reasonable comment on TechCrunch, and it gets rejected. Now who's biased? ;) - David Ford

Let the show go, Leo. Bitter, yammering tech-challenged guests aren't part of TWIT's future. - Robert Kenney

The best trolls always say just kidding at the last second. Kudos to Arrington for being an epic troll with that techcrunch "nonpology" - Dan Hendricks

Yeah, what an apology. Arrington is just butt-hurt that Palm knows he's not a journalist and his "publication" is something to be avoided. - Adam Turetzky

Don't piss off the geeks they love Leo. DOS maybe? - Randy Green

Leo - I would sleep on it over a fine wine and a Palm Pre - Bwana ☠

Wow! Just heard it. I don't know who Mike Arrington is, but Leo has kept me up to speed on all things tech for at least a decade now. I'm sticking with Leo. - Michael Kaiser

In the words of Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap!" The apology was strategy not sincerity. - Benjamin Grelle

I say let Arrington go play in his own sandbox hardly a loss to the tech community if he never appears on another show with Leo. - John Brazel

It just isn't TWiT's style to be honest Leo, plus some of us are really missing Munchcast, even if that probably wouldn't land in place of it. Either way, I'm really tempted to get a Pre at some point, looks like a reallly nice phone. - Chris

It would be nice if this came to a peaceful conclusion, but it would be a mistake to continue GG on Twit, the show is too trollish and I suspect Gilmore encourages it. - Moobie

No. Arrington is STILL being a douche in his post, 'The fact that few people ever return them is rarely brought up.' (Heavily implicit thuggery.) Leo is above question. No forgiveness. - Libertine

Let it go Leo, they deserve themselves. - Richard Coppen

I just love in Mike's apology where he says "I didn't think..." Yeah Mike, apparently you didn't think. And look what you stepped into. It's shame people are still like that these days. Leo I just say part ways with him. Its not worth supporting such... crap. - Grady Joslin

just told my parents about what happend and the first thing my dad said was, good for leo, i know airengton, he deserves it - Austin Garrod

Leo, as I don't care for the language, I believe you did the right thing, you don't need that type of show, keep up the good work. - Robert Lee

Let Gilmore and his people go. Not what your network needs. - saf

keep GG on TWiT if possible, it's been good - Christopher Harris

I like Leo on GG. A different vibe from the actual Twit show. I listen to most of the shows on the network, GG was/is really cool for what it was/is. - detorn

Disclosure: when I got back from Virginia this morning a Palm Pre was waiting for me. I didn't ask for it, I didn't know it was coming. It is only for seven days (I have to send it back). Now, that said, I think it's a valid question to wonder what Mike is wondering. It's something I always ask myself when I get goodies from the industry. Did I get these because I'm too nice? I used to... more... - Robert Scoble

What was the idea behind having GG on TWiT in the first place? Because of Leo's relationship w/ Gilmour? - Kyle

I left that comment over on TechCrunch. - Robert Scoble

You know, I've been a fan of TWIT and Gillmor Gang since the first time I heard both podcasts. I know Steve and Tina, and have a great deal of respect for what Steve does with the Gillmor Gang. It's pretty aggravating to read all these nasty barbs aimed at Steve. It's a different show. It's a great show. It's not TWIT. But why is it that everyone wants to draw a line between them? - Karoli

I like Leo being direct, admire men that are like that. Also Leo has always been honest.GG had always negative karma. Shut down show and do something better with valuable time. - Heiti Kruusmaa

Well! That was a nice 90 minutes of high drama. Kinda like a made-for-TV movie. Steve did say he thinks it's a video show - Amyloo

wait, has tech crunch never received a test unit? - Austin Garrod

Leo any idea when a real review is going to come, I've caught bits and pieces of your "ongoing" review since the unboxing. The fact that most recently I had heard you'll stick with your iphone, but respect the tech in the pre. - Steve Ford

I can see the Leo Versus Arrington mashups on youtube now? - Randy Green

Leo, although I find the GG to be informative and entertaining in it's own way, I never thought it could be done in a style or format in line with the production quality you regularly offer on the TWiT Network. - Craig Durling

Karoli: people want to choose sides in fights like this. I don't know why that's a human reaction, but it is. Leo has a lot of very loyal fans. I'm among them. We all ourselves Laporteans, even. I'm also a major fan of Mike Arrington, but Mike often gets people to have a quite different relationship with him. People often see him as rude or worse. That's because Mike often says stuff... more... - Robert Scoble

I thought this thread would be the one with the highest amount of comments on FriendFeed. But here's one with over 6,000: http://friendfeed.com/ideali... - David Schmidt

Robert: Well, having been the butt of Mike Arrington's need to say incendiary stuff, I understand that. However, Steve Gillmor is not Mike Arrington. GG is not Mike Arrington. There is much, much more to GG than Mike Arrington. would be nice to see them judged separately. - Karoli

in ealier conversations with david pogue leo proved his lack of any bias. - Tobias Lewsadder

I hope the gang ( excluding Arrington) from GG will be back on Twit individually at some point. They are all great guests each with strong personallities but much character. It can be hard for so many strong personallities to be in the same room or discussion sometimes but they have done a better job than I could do on the show, so props to them. I think arrington becomes a troll when in the mix, he can't hang with the big boys. JMHO&2C - Andrew Johnson

Leo, GG does nothing to help the TWiT family of shows. Looking across the shows, it should hold no place in your schedule. I'd rather hear something else. - Rob Blatt

Get Mike Arrington on TWiT tomorrow! That = ratings! - Chris

I want The Gillmor Gang on TWiT. It's not consistent in it's quality but often times can be the best show on the web. TWiT will give it the kind of audience it deserves. I hope Leo can work with the Gillmor Gang including Arrington and help them produce and distribute thought provoking content. - Wo

@david wow, wish I knew what that thread was all about - BryanSchuetz

Rob: I think Leo is trying to build a network with a variety of styles and topics. That's key to having a strong network. I know a radio station owner who has both liberal and conservative talk show hosts who hate each other. But by doing that he has a far bigger audience than if he just went all one way where everyone got along nicely. Plus the station looks far more professional and objective than if it were all run by Rush Limbaugh wannabes. Same for Leo's network. - Robert Scoble

I enjoyed GG on TWiT when I was able to see it. It is a group of people with strong opinions and that is not necessarily a bad thing. I didn' - kenneth glenn

The Gillmor Gang is my favorite show on the network, call me shallow and entertainment-hungry, but I really do like when people discuss things with this much passion, especially technology! - Colin

Leo: I think you should reconsider, not because you were wrong to get upset, but because it probably isn't worth cutting all ties. That is too absolute and despite his serious faults Arrington does have things to contribute. That said I totally agree there is just something about GG that causes flame ups and unless that can change you shouldn't have it be a part of TWIT. - Joel Asaro

Colin: we are passionate, aren't we? - Robert Scoble

@bryan: Haha, I thought Google would be assisting. Check this: http://tinyurl.com/qnugbz - David Schmidt

Robert: You are, and I wouldn't have it any other way. - Colin

Colin: people who are passionate often get misunderstood or cause opposite passions in people. I've run into that many times. How many people have asked me if I get paid by Friendfeed because I'm so passionate about it? - Robert Scoble

@david heh, figures who in here reads Cyrillic? - BryanSchuetz

it is the passion and the humor that draws me back. That, and the fact that you all force me to think. - Karoli

If The Gillmor Gang stays on TWIT I think Leo should step out of the "host" chair and be a guest with someone else controlling the board. - Chris Pugh

I've wondered if you get payed by FriendFeed myself hah, nah I'm kidding. - Colin

I feel bad for Steve Gillmor that his show was ruined today by a stupid remark and a temper tantrum. - Wo

Karoli: being on the Gillmor Gang causes me to think harder than anything else I do during the week. Trying to keep up with all the other people is mentally challenging to me. - Robert Scoble

Wo - and that's a first? :) - Bwana ☠

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Matt Ruiz

@Chris P - what would that solve? - Lise

so is GG toast? or needs to be reformatted? - Steve Ford

You guys are like professional athletes, putting yourselves on the line with the same opinions we have, so that we don't have to. - Colin

Steve Ford I'm sure everything will be worked out in the next few days - Andrew Johnson

Leo should bring in Merlin Mann to host the GG, now that would be fun to watch. - BryanSchuetz

Lise, Leo could walk off the show and not shut it down. There are other people on the show who made time to be available. - Chris Pugh

i need to say sorry to leo because in the chat room i was mad at him for cutting the show but it was his right to do after what mike said what happed i was on usterem and it got cut off so i didnt see the whole thing so i just saw a video of it so i apology to leo - Andrew Villafane

Steve: Gillmor Gang is not dead. - Robert Scoble

wish it was old days when men cleared misunderstandings with pistols and swords:) then men also choose their words and showed more respect :)... - Heiti Kruusmaa

I figure they will straighten it out between them once they both cool down. - Kim Landwehr

If the show continues, and especially if Mike is still on it, you guys are doing something with the Gillmor Gang that I don't think I've seen in any type of media anywhere else. - Colin

We need that kind of Tech Jerry's TV - TunisianGuy

Gillmor Gang is not dead. Hopefully Newsgang isn't dead either, just waiting for a place in time to be resurrected. But then again, North Korea hasn't apologized to South Korea for the threats...so who knows? - Karoli

Colin: the show will continue. - Robert Scoble

leo laporte has always appeared to me to be a gentleman and to let someone bring you down to their level isnt flattering. the "what are you going to do about it?!?!"comment unfortunately showed the maturity of the conversation. - Tobias Lewsadder

I like GG on the TWIT network and Leo's presence on the show. I just hope that in whatever future there is there is a time shifted alternative to missing it every week. - Aron Michalski

Robert: I too posted on Mike's article. I struggle with his way of drawing out a story because it always appears to be disrespectful to the person he is trying to pry the story out of, typical of mainstream journalism IMHO. The story is more important than the people involved. I think Mike could have been more tactful in light of the great job he did on Rajeev. I know if we wait long enough with those who piss us off eventually show us their good side. - Owen Greaves

hey robert so with the new studio you are makeing you could broadcast it - Andrew Villafane

Interesting that Arrington's swipe at Leo was the same thing that he swiped at me and a zillion others for...as if we couldn't possibly offer unbiased reviews of products/sites/services. - Karoli

I posted the following on Mike's Ouch post: Thanks for the post, Mike. Apology accepted. Now that I know what was going on in your mind, I apologize to you. There seems to be something about the Gillmor Gang that just engenders over the top passion. I’m embarrassed by my overreaction. Peace. - Leo Laporte

Nice, move along people ;) - David Lloyd

Robert/Colin: I hope the shows doesn't just continue, but improves... There has to be a way to have these really interesting and important conversations without all the ego and defending semantic arguments instead of trying to understand one another. - Joel Asaro

Andrew: I don't have the studio built and I don't have the ability to host that here, my bandwidth isn't reliable enough. - Robert Scoble

Nice to see that it all worked out so well. - Antoniu

Wow, things move fast on the www. Nice on you both to offer apologies that fast :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Leo: nice, hope the show can go on! I think it would be nice to have not so many quick arguments, either, but that's the Gillmor Gang! - Robert Scoble

Joel, pearls don't exist without sand irritating the oyster. Just sayin' - Karoli

arrington is good at what he does and gets results, that cant be disputed. i watched his interview with kevin rose and kevin rose looked so uncomfortable the whole time - Tobias Lewsadder

Lasse: welcome to the real time web! - Robert Scoble

Aw Leo, you're too good a man. He's an a-hole. Don't be embarrassed. - Libertine

Glad both parties apologized. Stupid comment and over reaction. Gillmor Gang next week? - Wo

GG on TWiT is the best match to bring forward thinkers and tech enthusiasts together, it will be great if Leo reconsiders. If not, I will follow Steve and the Gang wherever they decide to continue with this realtime experiment. - Alberto Saavedra

real time web wins again - David Lloyd

leo proves to be a true gentleman!!!!! - Tobias Lewsadder

Arguments is not the problem. Questioning ethics is. Rule #1 Dont fight a land war in aisa. Rule #2 Dont piss of the host when it is dealing with ethics - Darryl Adams

I know this incident will color the future epsiodes of the "The Gillmore Gang" podcast, and the perception of the people who hear about the incident and wonder what, why, who about the podcast. - Stanley Suan

so leo will there be a show next week or you dont want to do it anymore??? - Andrew Villafane

Leo: how about with Steve, have you talked with him? - Robert Scoble

The real time web isn't always puppy dogs and ice creame cones - Chris Pugh

the real time real world isnt either Chris :p - David Lloyd

It's nice to know that you guys are human, and you get much more respect from me knowing that you are. - Colin

Stanley: On the real-time ADHD web, no one will remember what happened yesterday, much less a week ago. - Karoli

Leo, everyone is entitled to get angry when core beliefs and standards are insulted. Just hit the mute button on twitlive next time! Bombs away!!! :) - Wookie

However weird it may sound, it was good to see Leo being able to get upset like that. Just proves he can be human too. Was wondering if he's entire mind worked in a G rating ;) Also proves how passionate he is about his work. And good on being such a gentleman afterwards! Good going Leo! - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

That's Gracious of you Leo. Time will heal. I think both of you work so hard the stress just mounts. I do wish the show could keep its edginess but not get personal. Debate the issues. You did have a right to be angry, I'm not questioning that. I just wish the show in general got some kind of professional adjustment, if that's the right word, have the structure of Twit where there is debate but it doesn't get personal - Stephen Pickering

Oh dear. Still, in all these years it's about the 1st time. Almost superhuman not to have exploded before. - David Jones

I had never been on Friend Feed before (only heard so much about it on TWiT); however, when all this went down, it was the first place I thought to turn. I finally "get" the hype. - Jason Beck

@jay http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Antoniu

Jay: Link to Gillmor Gang - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com - Karoli

Leo works too hard. He's there too much. I wonder who would be an ideal fill in, if he could take more time off? - Stephen Pickering

Leo accepts! http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Chris

Wow, I think that posting the incomplete episode complete with Leo's rant/breakdown/whatever it's called is just totally disrespectful to him. Leo's a person who's never had these kinds of breakdowns in the past and I don't think it deserves to be publicized in the GG feed. - Paulius G

Paulius: Leo regrets blowing up as loud as he did, but he has no problem with that video clip - David Lloyd

I'm staying out of this one - let me say though, I wouldn't be following TechCrunch if it weren't for Leo - Leo has serious authority here. - Jesse Stay

Leo didn't break down. He got pissed off. And rightly so. He said what he wanted to say, and he's resolved the matter. Don't see the problem. - Karoli

Paulius: I think Leo more than anyone is aware of the consequences of being live all the time. - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Heck, I wouldn't be on Twitter if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have a Mac if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have built my own PC if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't be using Digg if it weren't for Leo. I wouldn't have an iPhone if it weren't for Leo. I'm dead serious in that - Leo has had serious influence in the things I've tried over the last 5 years or so. - Jesse Stay

Leo, I wouldn't worry about it. Arrington Deserved it! As long as I've listened to your shows, I know that you won't push a product unless you think it's ACTUALLY good, and that if a product sucks, you'll either not talk about it, or trash it if it deserves it. Arrington was just being a dick, and While I wouldnt have shut the whole show down, there's a good chance I would have kicked him off myself. - Justin Flood @justinflood

Do you think Leo will ask Mike for a preview of the Crunchpad??? - Darren Rowley

Just read Michael Arrington's explanation and frankly, I'd like to hear about the "story that is brewing about favoritism at Palm" and TechCruch's analysis of reviews. It's obviously an important and sensitive issue if it engenders situations like we have just witnessed. Leo, bring Michael back and let everyone talk about disclosure issues, favoritism, and gadget reviews from everyone's perspective and experience. Your audience will benefit from a rational discussion of this important issue. - Michael Ritter

I just watched your video with Mike Arrington. You just made a new fan. :D Hope you enjoy your pre. - Jason Pope

I can see why Leo blew up. Arrington is trashy and seemed to question the integrity of someone who actually cares. Not sure why Leo was on Gilmore Gang in the first place. Not the place for real interest/ideas. - Darrel Davis

love ya leo. - Mark Outten

It's nice to get a realtime issue in some sense, to work loose the shaky brickwork. the web is a wild and wonderful place. Although real emotions are involved, the live nature of the content does make certain people respond differently. - Steve Ford

I've trird to watch the Gilmor Gang, but can't get through it. It doesn't fit the TWiT lineup. Leo, let it go, you have better programs that you can do instead. - Brian Cagle

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Jason Pope

Leo would never waste fbomb for publicity - Art

I like Steve, but I agree with Brian - it's a different audience, not TWiT's - Jesse Stay

Admittedly I don't listen to Leo live very often but after many years of following Leo around the web it was actually very amusing to see and hear the foul language I'm not used to hearing outta Leo. Way to go Leo, I appreciate you sticking up for yourself! :) - Ryan

This just in: I just talked to Dave Winer and he made the most important point: what about the show? I called Steve Gillmor and he's going to try to reassemble the troops (including Mike) and we're going to try this again. I'm on my way into the studio now. - Leo Laporte

YAY! - David Lloyd

Leo needs content. While Twit Live is based on the brand of "Leo", he does allow over voices like PC Perspective and This Week in Fun to use his facilities. He has full editorial control on what he has on his network, and that is his right. I only stated to listen to GG after it came to Twit. So maybe Steve expanded his listener base, but maybe he does not need too. That question is up to Steve - Darryl Adams

Leo you're a good man - Jesse Stay

Wow, thats great Leo. Looking forward to it :) - Lasse Reiersen-Gravdal

Lol, god he loves his community doesnt he? - David Lloyd

_serious_ realtime shit - Amyloo

Leo suffers for his audience, now it is out turn :-) - Darryl Adams

gotta love live real time. - Steve Ford

Yes! :) - Adnan

<3 real time xx wish my friends got it - David Lloyd

Can the bandwidth support this episode? Ha! - Michael Kaiser

Then I'll stay up for a while (it's 2:14 am here) - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Incredibly admiral thing to do, a lot can be learned from this whole series of events. - Jason Beck

I've watched Leo "alter" his views going from the pc shows to the mac shows, but I have never felt Leo was or ever would give a positive/negative review to something based upon getting a freebee. - Brian Cagle

Can we get Dave Winer on the show too?! :) - Adnan

Lol, someone posted Keyboard Cat playing off Arrington but it got deleted on Youtube - zephyrlily

we want david winer - David Lloyd

why would youtube delete a keyboard cat vid? - Bwana ☠

Cool :-) I did remember last week you were a little peed about the trolling nature of Mike and I agreed then and more now Good on ya - O W

I think the author deleted it @Bwana - zephyrlily

Wait, who's on their way into the studio right now? - Colin

scoble you going to be ontine for round two? - Steve Ford

Dialogue is good to work through an incident such as this. I'm glad that Leo and Mike responded so soon afterward. Apologies came quick and bitterness didn't have time to set in, which could have caused enmity between them for years to come. I've learned to be careful with strong initial reactions because I may not be totally understanding where the other person is coming from, and that is the source of so many of these kinds of problems. - Allen Blair

The best thing about this video is about 50 seconds in when Loren Feldman realizes Leo Isn't joking around as he bows his head and goes into his happy place while mommy and daddy fight: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz

Lol :/ - Colin

If you guys put this back together, you guys rock, seriously. - Colin

Steve: I gotta drive up to the city, so will be calling in from my new Prius. - Robert Scoble

This video has "Keyboard Cat" written all over it! - Chris

Serenity Now. Serenity Now.... :-) - Jeff Weber

chris can't we get like a keyboard penguin or something.. you know something fresh... - Steve Ford

I'm so thankful that R. Scoble invented "real time web"! I'm joshin' :) Unless he actually did. - Michael Kaiser

I thought Al Gore invented it? - John Brazel

There goes the Bulleit Bourbon? - TunisianGuy

@BryanSchuetz ROTFLOL - Adam Turetzky

don't know about him, but I am done, that's for sure. These apologies took too long to come imho - TunisianGuy

I was missing the show until I saw the article on Techmeme, yay! - Ryan Massie

The show must go on http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Amyloo

Back live woooo! - Moobie

live.twit.tv - TunisianGuy

yayyyyy - TunisianGuy

Someone with mad skills please mashup the GG video with keyboard cat to the tune of "Saturday Nights All Right for Fighting" by Elton John. Ohhh were back live, cool. - John Brazel

Part2 - Willem (@wim66) ☠

Very civilized! Way to get it together guys! Job done! :-) - Moobie

LOL. This is better than TV - Bwana ☠

we need a minute please - Tina Chase Gillmor

@Bill Lol @ the plant - zephyrlily

I guarantee half the TWiT fans have their recorders going now :) - Bwana ☠

Bwana - Lol! :-) - Moobie

I upped the first part here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... and will do the same with this part - Jack

Was this the "new media" equivalent of O'Reilly's great "F$&k it, let's do it live" outburst? (not to compare Leo to Bill as Leo Rules) - Tim Hughes

I blame the Pre Leo... - Bwana ☠

Personally Leo...I enjoy the show. Hope it continues it is very intelligent 99% of the time. There is a lot to be said about the show...and all that goes on on it. - Kevin Hart

keyboard cat is uploading again...i deleted it because the quality was too poor - Thomas McGivern

I love it, it makes me remember the good ol' days of IRC. - Ryan Massie

Love ya Leo. Takes a big man to own up to a mistake (understandable as it may be) - Scott Edwards

Now the show will be tame :) - Bwana ☠

I can just picture keyboard cat waiting for the cue - zephyrlily

lol - Chris

LOL stop zephyr...I'll be laughing the whole show - Bwana ☠

You are a class act Leo! - invariant

Arrington's "apology" was merely a bunch of excuses ("I wasn't watching the video, blah, blah") I don't come to TWIT for confrontational tatics like Arrington's. Dialogue and discussion -- yes. Being a jerk -- no. - Joel R

LEO: I was the one who quickly posted the YouTube video (MPB326) and I felt kind of bad about it in a way. I have been following you since your Tech TV days and love what you are about. I think you were totally in the right in this situation although overall I think it was a misunderstanding. Message me if you want the link to add an annotation to the video. - Mike Bracco

Yes, mike's audio is fine. - Cliff Gerrish

leo, you are great. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Well done both Leo and Mike - Kim Landwehr

Perhaps there is hope for the Middle East. - Karoli

hiccup - Tina Chase Gillmor

Leo, I think you overreacted a tad but I reckon I would've too, Arrington was way to quick and aggressive in his questioning. At least you guys made up. - Marco Ho

Tina, recording part ii - Cliff Gerrish

What Calacanis incident? - Chris

Well done Mike - I have high respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay

I like Arrington's style. - Colin

thanksCliff - Tina Chase Gillmor

it's not the questions Mike asks, it's the snark-laden tone. - Karoli

Questioning a man's integrity without any justifiable reason is an insult and Leo is absolutely correct for what he did. - Paul

Tina, the first part is here if you need it http://www.archive.org/downloa... - Jack

karoli, re: snark, which is what made the contrast with the nice in memoriam so jolting - Amyloo

He never apologizes.... explains his attitude. - zephyrlily

keyboard cat is back up!! http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Thomas McGivern

This is one of the most amazing interviews I've ever heard. I am learning so much, and gaining a ton of respect for Arrington after this. - Jesse Stay

No doubt about it, these guys are heavyweights. - Colin

The same props go to Leo for being such a great interviewer. - Jesse Stay

Steve is angry :( - David Lloyd

can't blame Steve for being angry. A lot of crap was posted on this stream that was unfair to him and to Tina. - Karoli

Thanks Karoli ... tough few days - Tina Chase Gillmor

Scobey! Welcome to the show! - Colin

Yay, we have ourselves a show - Robert

Jack, are you recording? - Robert

I wish Mike would open up more - he really is a good guy inside, and has great intentions. - Jesse Stay

moving right along... - Brad Kligerman

yep, this part will be up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... later - Jack

So what's happening in tech? - Colin

This week in therapy - Thomas McGivern

Leo vs Steve is coming up next... - Chris

Thanks Jack, all those missing these live shows thank you - Robert

As a journalist you have to ask tough questions - Jesse Stay

This is even better then a 2-2 tie in the 12th... oh yeah, the Dodgers won that one. - Brad Kligerman

I'm glad I stayed up (it's 2am here) reading the FF comments and TC comments - I nearly went to bed thinking the show would be taking another hiatus - Jack

Steve has a good wife. - Colin

I seriously cannot believe this has happened. Kudos to you, Leo and definitely Mike for not throwing the F You's back and apologizing so quickly. I am happy that these two have a respect for each other and tech to and us, to come back, publicly apologize and try to continue to do the show. I'm almost teary eyed! - Lise

Leo's in his "battle stance" - Colin

Is this a kumbaya moment or another shit storm? - Brad Kligerman

Leo doesnt need Gilmore's Gang! - Chris

Chris, networks have interdependencies - Karoli

We shall see. - Antoniu

Wow, I just dropped in on some serious stress! - Aaron T. Harvey

Robert remember this is Our community. Leo Gives us a voice and we use it. - Andrew Johnson

I'm not saying everything that is said is correct or needs to be said though - Andrew Johnson

Andrew, so you're saying that because I am a GG fan from way, way back, I'm not entitled to speak, or be heard? - Karoli

For GG to work on Twit network, Steve has to retake center stage on the video feed... the production has to visually and audiably recenter around Steve. - Brad Kligerman

of course i'm not saying that Karoli - Andrew Johnson

I wonder if this video will go viral like Santelli's? - Stephen Pickering

Excellent point Brad - Robert

My point, Andrew, is that Steve has a community, too - Karoli

I do agree with Brad. - Karoli

I'm just saying that the show came to our commmunity so we get a voice too - Andrew Johnson

Yeah, I think out of respect for Steve, Leo should have maybe left, but not pulled the plug - Stephen Pickering

I'm listening to the restart of the show with all the kiss and make up. Bottom line GG doesn't belong on TWiT and should go somewhere else. - saf

Steve needs to stop reading this chat - Robert

I agree, I think he's taking it too literally - zephyrlily

i think it is irc that he is speaking of - Andrew Johnson

Wow, this makes for an interesting Saturday online. - Verbal

Steve Gilmor please dont take yourself so seriously - earl wallace

Oh that's not true, Mike. I don't want a fight. The drama was interesting and so is this public apology but I want a show about tech, not flame wars. I can go read youtube comments for that. - Lise

Lots of respect for the content, but seems like its about the people instead of the ideas way too often. - Joel Asaro

Pretty hard not to read the chat....Steve has always been tuned into viewers' responses. - Karoli

FTR I like every single person on this call. I find this show incredibly interesting because they're all truly opening up. I want this to continue if every episode can be like this. - Jesse Stay

We don't have a problem with you Steve, thanks for putting this show together. - Colin

Leo, the drama is the show. - Karoli

i'm confused... leo added drama too - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

This is not going to end well...... - David Peralta

If I wanted Meet the Press, I'd turn on David Gregory - Karoli

This is the most riveting show on any network I've seen in a while, it's genuine. - Matthew

Uh oh, the Middle East won't reconcile - Karoli

Gillmore Gang has value but Steve cant handle the spotlight...welcome to radio, tv, etc if you put yourself out there you need to expect this to some extent - Gary Gannon

I don't get Leo's rap on the 'drama'. Ageed Karoli - Brad Kligerman

Ohhhh.... - Amyloo

Woah - where did Dave Winer come into this? - Jesse Stay

internal angst - zephyrlily

I remember drama on the GG 2 years ago, its not all from the "chat" or even just Dave Winer... - Robert

the content is what it is because of the conflict. It is. - Karoli

Gilmore Gang has always been about conflicting personalities in tech... Leo, you should have known that when you let Steve do his show on TWiT - Ryan Merket

Everything is political. People are passionate. It is what creates pearls - Karoli

Steve's feelings are hurt. I think because what Leo did, by closing the show, really made Steve feel like he wasn't in control. Okay, I get that. I hope they can resolve this now with Steve. - Lise

'do without the drama' Steve Gillmor. Leo has got to understand that statement. - Brad Kligerman

Steve is a gateway drug, like marijuana. - Colin

I think nobody's better than Leo. But geez, once again it seems his ego's in the way. - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

We need Steve to hook all these people up! - Colin

talking about each other is part of the attraction. It is one way to figure out how people think - Karoli

We don't want to see you dead, Mike - Stephen Pickering

It's like watching Crossfire, but with a bunch of tech geeks - zephyrlily

There's drama because this show gets bogged down in personality fights. - Joel R

We're not crazy!! *twitches* - Robert

the content and the passion are indivisible - Hilary Talbot

I would never spit on you, Mike. And I'm proud of you for how you've handled all this. - Lise

SteveGillmor - Based on the comments in this thread, I suggest you come back to uStream - Karoli

I <3 you all guys - Jesse Stay

@Jesse The show is happening now because of a conversation that Leo had with Dave Winer according to Leo's post in this FF thread - Antoniu

Sounds like they have patched things up. - Mike Doeff

Mike, it the whole anonymity thing... we don't want you dead. people just shout because they think you won't hear. - Jan Zimak

@321 I don't understand how that has caused drama though - Jesse Stay

Man they are really slamming us here on FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering

Underwear 12 y/os? wtf? - Ryan Merket

What if I'm in my undies AND rational still? heh - Lise

I haven't read anything here that was like life threatening - Stephen Pickering

OMG, you guys have a show where you are critical of your subjects, you get heated and personal sometimes yet blame us in chat for doing the same sometimes too? It is our fault? We are the bad guy? lololol - Andrew Johnson

This chat is infinately more mature and constructive than the IRC chat is - Robert

Is Robert on an AT&T network? Is that how bad it is? - Stephen Pickering

i think leo and mike have made up, but steve is the one with the attitude now - Dano Hart

Please no one tell the IRC chat about this chat - Jesse Stay

That IRC chat is a disaster - Mike Doeff

Being in the chat room is a bit like being at Comic Con, you always think YOU'RE the normal one, but everyone looks a bit crazy to outsiders. - Aaron T. Harvey

I think more of the 12 year olds are on the irc, Robert. heh They're not quite FFing yet. - Lise

Jesse, why does Arrington slam the FriendFeed chat so much? I've never read terrible things here - Stephen Pickering

No, @Dano, Steve is the one that still has something to work out. He's trying to save his show. - Brad Kligerman

Of course Scoble would say it is easy to block people here - Jack

Many of us here are on all chats simultaneously - earl wallace

Brad, Steve's show will go on whether it's here or some where else - Karoli

Stephen, I'm not sure, but this particular chat has been pretty anti-Arrington before this current live stream. He may be referring to that. FF in general has been pretty anti-Arrington from what I've seen. - Jesse Stay

You guys have made that show, you're doing it right now. - Colin

you make it sound like it's all at Leo's command. It's STEVE'S show. - Karoli

can we PLEASE talk about the Palm Pre. I'm drunk already - TunisianGuy

gillmorgang is valuable to me... I waited the whole week for this. Their are other people on this thread who also find it valuable. I don't understand why there is a question as to whether it should be on the network or not. If people don't like it, they can skip it and watch the other shows that they do like. - Adnan

Just missed the GG incident this afternoon, but got to see FF unfurl the story (and the youtube replay). I'm not going to weigh in on the personalities because I just discovered GG this week...I was going to start listening for energetic and insightful banter. Now, I have been thinking about what happened today and about the back-and-forth I've read here. From the few podcasts I've... more... - Jason Miller

why do you want Gillmor Gang to be TWIT II? - Karoli

Seems to me that the back story is that Arrington was jealous that he did not get a Pre and wanted to spoil the fun. Pretty simple. Getting lectured from Arrington on disclosure ethics was the last straw for Leo. - Jim Posner

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I like this show because it's powerful personalities. - Colin

I think the debates and snarky comments are what makes the show great - Gary Gannon

Jim, I think it's a misunderstanding more than anything from what it sounds like - Jesse Stay

why is there a problem with drama? These guys are passionate - Tina Chase Gillmor

Robert I think is friends with everyone. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone he hates. He's good that way. - Jesse Stay

Tina, I have no problem with drama. I'm not in love with SNARK - Karoli

Jesse, no, Mike really was attacking Leo's credibility, and I'm not anti Mike. I like Arrington - Stephen Pickering

The drama is the reason I listen to GG, and not TWiT - Jack

Gillmor's talking but no one can hear. - Sprague D

Gilmore is always angry, aggressive and unpleasant, and he fosters that. Period. It's not the conversation, it's the tone. It's unfriendly and it's not Leo. If Gilmore wants that as his show, cool. But I'm with Leo in that I don't think it fits well with Twit. - Libertine

Ohh! Awwww. First time in a while to FF and I thought I could catch GG (kinda tough, just look at the sub-domain on TC; I thing they went "underground" for a reason). I appreciate both sides of the story. Everyone should calm down and join my new movement: What Would Spock Do? or WWSD? - coldbrew

Karoli - I think you hint at the problem SteveG is discovering. It's Steve's show on Leo's network... using Leo's live audience, and Leo's live chat... Steve's seeing *Leo's* network react, and not seeing *his* audience's feedback. As a result: he's offended. - tollie williams

Drama is fine, Leo just doesn't like it when people call him out on getting free/pre-released stuff, and saying "Love it! Totally impressed..." -- which he should have said "Palm sent me a 7 day loander to try it out, and I love it, totally impressed" - Ryan Merket

I think if we got Feldman on here he could solve this for us: http://img.skitch.com/2009060... - BryanSchuetz

All I can say is I have gained a completely new respect for Mike Arrington from this show. He manned up to this one, misunderstandings were cleared up, and I see him as an entirely new person after this. I give him my respect on this one. - Jesse Stay

good point ryan merket - Dano Hart

I'm not a regular listener of GG, but the times that I've tuned in seemed like there was drama and people were a bit flaming. I like shows with less drama than GG. I'm not sure who has reason. I don't think that this is black and white. Having the show squeaky clean wouldn't be interesting, but the drama just gets annoying and simply delays the tech. - Paulius G

Moral of the story: Don't call out Leo if he holds the "off" button - Ryan Merket

@tollie very good insight - earl wallace

Stay: Agreed. - coldbrew

Audiences long for access to this show. - Colin

@Ryan that's not the case at all - Harvey Birdman

So, I missed the setup of this call. Is Scoble the moderator? Why is he on? :) - tollie williams

Leo having Steve turned down is EXACTLY what is wrong with the show in its current form - Jack

There's a difference between a spirited discussion and flaming. - Mike Doeff

+1 Colin - Brad Kligerman

You all need to *come back* and make up live. [EDIT: I mean "real time"] - coldbrew

Hug it out guys. - Mike Doeff

Jack, agreed. - Karoli

I agree with Gillmor , no need to change the show... go to Mevio where the ADULTS are - John Hillestad

"With all due respect". Got it. - Sprague D

The show would fit the network if it doesn't disclosing free/pre-released phones. - Ryan Merket

Steve and Leo I think have different audiences. It all comes down to if it's worth merging those audience. - Jesse Stay

I'm happy that Leo cares about us as a community. The normal, non drooling ones, of course. - Lise

Ryan missed a 1 hour Palm Pre unboxing where Leo stated about 20 times it was review Unit...but that's ok. - Bwana ☠

I think we might be seeing the end of the GG/Twit collab. Steve is realising its not working. Leo seems conflicted, he wants to keep the content on the show, but he is not comfortable with it. But Leo does an excellent job of hosting the show. I fear for the continuity and quality of the GG if its not on Leo's network - Robert

Without a community there's no one to consume your content. - Aaron T. Harvey

"I dont care about the community"-Steve Gillmor. My respect has risen for Mike Arrington and lowered for Steve Gillmor tonight.amazing - Dano Hart

Dano, how about the full quote? What he said was "I do what I think is important to do" - Karoli

Can you imagine a professional broadcaster on TV or radio talking about their audience this way? - Sprague D

It kinda hurts when the broadcaster publicly advises dosent care about his listeners - David Peralta

I think my favorite Gillmor Gang episode was the one where Marc Canter kept showing a big bowl full of marijuana buds on his video screen every chance he could get. That was classic! - Thomas Hawk

"those people who don't like reality"... ok. same to ya. :) - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Steve is just hurt. And I think he's not feeling respected. - Lise

Steve please do this on a closed call - earl wallace

Leo just pointed out my entire current frustration... why the hell is the show not post-published if Steve indeed feels that people -should- be able to Fast forward through it - Robert

"I dont care about the community" implies "I mostly care about the content' - Brad Kligerman

@Dano agree, if Steve doesnt care about the community at all then why put it out? Just talk to your buddies on the phone. - Gary Gannon

Just produce a show where you argue about tech and not about each other. Outside of this incident, it's all very self-indulgent anyway. - bobrudge

Bwana: This is looking for justifications while already having one's side chosen - coldbrew

I can be passionate while avoiding drama. It's an acquired skill. Kinda like laughing without shooting milk through your nose. - Bwana ☠

Interesting to see if there is any brand impact to all of this..Seems they all have the Martha Stewart problem with the name and brand tightly coupled. - Jim Posner

This show is going no where now - Jesse Stay

It looks like the show will be moving to a different 'network'. - Verbal

This has been brewing for a while - Mike Doeff

i think the community can create content,and help and push content. So saying you don't care about the community,is not saying your care more about the content - Dano Hart

Anella: Yes ;) - coldbrew

The problem is Leo can turn off the show - Jack

The show can go on with Leo - Bwana ☠

The thing you all should know about Steve's community comment? He does care about the community. Do you think people who don't care bother with discussions on FriendFeed? All he said was that ultimately HE does what HE feels is important - Karoli

dude bwana,shooting milk thru your nose IS a skill.hehe - Dano Hart

Rename it to The Leo Laporte Gang! Thats what it is! - Chris

Leo you can build up TWiT Sunday and then split it soon into Sat/Sun - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

The show can go on without Leo - Bwana ☠

Jack: Yes, broadcasting live via IP is so difficult these days. It would take millions! - coldbrew

Steve is just too hurt right now. I feel bad for him. But he needs to cool down - Lise

Bwana, yes, but can it go on with AND without Leo? - Jesse Stay

I am Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Why does Steve do a show if he doesnt care if people watch it or not? - Chris

Jesse - I see what you did there. Wait..No I don't - Bwana ☠

Chris, because he believes the content is important. - Karoli

Steve works for Mike, BTW. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Steve you know more than anyone else the internet mirrors real life. Please understand the chat in the same light. - earl wallace

No one is dependant on anyone else. Steve can organise the show on his own wherever he wants, like he did for a long time. - Robert

Gillmor could take this live on his own with minimal help. Lots of people *sitting* here could do it in an hour or less. - coldbrew

Bwana, I'm confused! - Jesse Stay

If Steve does want complete control then he does need to move it. You can't have complete control when Leo sits at the helm - Lise

We Collegiates are Reviled - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

Who would have thought an hour ago that Gillmor would be the one to come out of this the worst - seems to have taken an ego hit and wants everyone to remember it's 'his' show. Pretty pathetic performance. - bobrudge

Leo was liberal with those F bombs : ) - Mike Doeff

collegial is for talk shows, radical is for Gillmor - Brad Kligerman

LOL Mike. Seriously. I really like Arrington a lot more now. I can't believe he stepped up and handled this so awesomely. "F you. F you. F you. Bye" haha - Lise

Yeah - Leo's got it - Gillmor Gang needs to decide what it wants to be when it grows up. What's the overall purpose and premise behind the show? - Jesse Stay

You can't take it with you has never been more true. - Aron Michalski

Steve is coming off a little bit arrogant, though rightfully so in some ways. Honestly, I think that Leo should stay on GG, but take it off of TWiT. If Steve wants control, he should get it. - TeraDyne Azurepaw

oh now steves crackin the jokes.alright! - Dano Hart

@Steve ROFL. Looks like we hit a resolution. - Ryan Merket

Stay: It's that there is no premise and it's some people Gillmor knows and likes talkin shit. - coldbrew

stop trying to classify things, Leo, and go with the flow. It's been kinda working since Gillmor Gang has been here. - Brad Kligerman

Jesse, I agree w/ you (and Leo) that Mike has proven to be a different person that I previously thought he was. Silver lining here might be that these types of 'misunderstandings' are headed off before they boil over in the future. - Chris Heath

Someone just asked me this question: if this is gillmor, why is laporte seeming to host? (1st time on GG) - Karoli

coldbrew, I think with that, Leo's taking risk then. Steve's got to state what the show is for it to make sense on Leo's network. That's nothing against Steve's show - it's just in conflict with the organization of Leo's network. - Jesse Stay

I think we forget that these guys have real lives, real problems, and stress that can leak into this show. - Mike Doeff

932 PM GEORGIA hi is dave glad yall are back on - daveccorey

Karoli, because it's on Leo's network - Lise

It's kind of surreal to hear this thing play out while in my car. Thank you, iPhone app. Can the Pri do that? :-) - Joel R

LOL - Last words out of Mike's mouth, "and I got a Techmeme headline out of it" - Jesse Stay

Can someone please turn this drama into a 30 second video for YouTube :0 - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

okay, real last words out of Mike's mouth, "Go Leo!" - Jesse Stay

I love so much that they brought this back out live to do it. - Lise

Who in here has this recorded? - Jesse Stay

I'm kind of amazed at about how transparent these guys are being. I appreciate that. - Mike Doeff

Whoo! GO JACK! - Robert

No offense Steve, but welcome to the real-time web - Jesse Stay

I'll put this up at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

Leo, remember that people can scrub back on the BitGravity feed and then screen-capture or record the audio. - Paulius G

Welcome to the interwebs Steve - Gary Gannon

Christopher: yeah, I heard about SkyFire on Windows Weekly. Sounds pretty cool. - Joel R

I knew it would be a tame show after that - Bwana ☠

LOL Leo. Awwww @ the loooove - Lise

That was actually pretty interesting, maybe we'll see a This Week in Drama soon. - Antoniu

I learned a lot from this. As I said before I have a newfound respect for both Leo and Mike Arrington. - Jesse Stay

I wanna hug all my gadgets. Yay tech! - Lise

i'm hungry.whos buyin? hehe - Dano Hart

This is TWID! - Joel R

is the bar open yet? - Andrew Johnson

TWiD - nice! - Aaron T. Harvey

After all of that i do have more respect for Mike now, I think alot has been learned today - David Peralta

@leo it always good to hear an opinion that you don't hear agree with. you can't have good without evil. - Jan Zimak

Everyone has a shadow, the trick is learning how to give the shadow recognition privately, so that it doesn't come out publicly like it did today - Stephen Pickering

And 3 hours later we get the Pre review - Jack

Judging by Leo's little presentations, the Pre interface seems pretty slow - Bwana ☠

that would drive me nuts - Bwana ☠

Nice UI - a little 'roundy/pudgy' though. Is it comfortable to hold? - Aaron T. Harvey

Aaron, yeah looks kind of thick - Mike Doeff

Right, it's not as fluid as an iPhone. It's ages better than any Windows mobile or Palm OS phone, but still not too close to the iPhone. However, competition is great. And this hopefully means more interesting features in the future from the iPhone. - Paulius G

Bwana - Just got home and stumbled across this thread. What would we do without Friendfeed?! - Charlie Anzman

Diabolical. Legal maelstrom becomes misdirection play, host catches fecal backlash. - Aron Michalski

Steve/Tina - Hang in there. I'll touch base soon, hopefully we can connect next week - Karoli

Charlie - we'd be all over Google looking for details :) - Bwana ☠

I like that app dock - Mike Doeff

I wonder how the battery life is with background apps running, since the drain on the battery is supposed to be one of the reasons that Apple won't allow background apps on the iPhone. - Antoniu

321 - Despite what Apple may say, it's a memory issue moreso than battery - Bwana ☠

Is anyone going to post the make-up video? - Jim Posner

that phone does look pretty slick - Dano Hart

looks sluggish - Robert

anyone want some koolaid? - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

No it doesn't matter..I noticed it when he first unboxed it - Bwana ☠

It's sluggish all around - Bwana ☠

bye - Tina Chase Gillmor

I love great notification systems, and Palm has one - Bwana ☠

Apple should hire the guy who hacked together Growl for iPhone :) - Bwana ☠

Definitely cool how notifications and things pop up on the screen - Cory Roush

Thanks! My stream is stuttering so I'm getting gaps - Aaron T. Harvey

flawless ustream for me today - Preternat (Ken Cadby)

That charger is ingenius - Jesse Stay

Nintendo kills me with that - Bwana ☠

Jeff Cannata on TWiT?! - Chris

It doesn't make sense...that's why it infuriates me - Bwana ☠

Will it sync with Palm Desktop is the question I have - Bwana ☠

For the die hard Palm'ers - Bwana ☠

Did the Pre show up in iTunes? I heard it does... - Aaron T. Harvey

Nicholas James : Unfortunately I'll only be posting audio :-( - Jack

That'll come - Bwana ☠

People have to update their code to catch the Pre's browser string - Bwana ☠

do a quick test - Bwana ☠

Call goog-411 and surf while you do it :) - Bwana ☠

It's a good time to be a Phone lover - Bwana ☠

It is "good competition" to the iPhone - Jesse Stay

Pres, G1s, and iPhone giving Nokia and RIM some stiff stiff competition - Bwana ☠

Poor Motorola - Bwana ☠

monday it will be 3rd - Byron McCollum

O_O dead pixel blues - Bwana ☠

Storm 2 will be out in a few months...love the competition - Bwana ☠

his thumb covers 4 keys - Bwana ☠

Best keyboard I've ever had was the T-Mobile MDA - Jesse Stay

i could never use that analog keyboard - Byron McCollum

Leo - if you're missing a Brazilian BBQ (we, the enlightened, call it a churrasco), then your priorities are certainly out of order. Get off that ball and in front of a skewer of meat ASAP. Grad yourself a caiparinha, too. You've earned one or four today. - Jason Miller

I couldn't go back to a physical keyboard. - Aaron T. Harvey

That's your "We'll do it live" moment Leo :) - Bwana ☠

For me the apology will long out-live the video. - Colin

LOL Bwana - Lise

Nooooo - Bwana ☠

Dont do it Leo - Andrew Johnson

We could post your apology - Aaron T. Harvey

Mostly you gain publicity, not negativity. - Colin

I wouldn't :) :) - Bwana ☠

Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer >:D - Bwana ☠

do just the tribute and cut after that - Andrew Johnson

Don't put it back on Leo. Only those of us following from the beginning will get it. - Lise

Judge a man not by his friends, but by his enemies! - Colin

we love you, Leo! And now, even Mike. Good job, Mike. - Lise

We love ya Leo! Thanks for your support of us! - Aaron T. Harvey

Go eat some meat Leo - Bwana ☠

You deserve a few choice cuts - Bwana ☠

See you in the morning, Leo. - Lise

Man, one can only dream to have a setup like Leo :) - Bwana ☠

Oh no, so much for the chat rooms slowing down tonight. Maybe I need to make some new macros for tonight :-P - Andrew Johnson

now i want BBQ, thanks for another fun day everyone, tty tomorrow - Andrew Johnson

this type of reality that we saw today is why the future of media on the web is so exciting .. we like real opinions and real emotions ... not the puffed and polished punditry that the mass media (blech) tries to spoon us on a daily basis. Keep doing the show Leo, we can take it, and the content is quality. - Joe Magennis

Don't worry Leo!!! Good on you!!! - Andy

Haha, this is drama for geeks. - Manuel Mas

Wow Leo never seen that side of you Mic really asked for it though, One thing i can say about Leo Laportes reviews and recommendations is they are always what he really believes...... - John Spencer

I'm listening to the later call where Leo says he feels like Arrington baits people and Arrington is not once denying that he does. Arrington also says he never apologizes which also says a lot about him. If you are wrong what is so hard about apologizing? - jccalhoun

I belive we saw true real-time reality TV in it's truest form today. - Allen Blair

Seems to me Friendfeed is the winner in this scenario - chad cicconi

listening to this later call I get the feeling that some of these guys have a difficult time clearly expressing themselves. They are also overly hypersensitive but aren't aware of just how abrasive they themselves are. Get thee to a therapist. - jccalhoun

Chad - Not sure I follow your logic but 1110 comments says a lot about the 'players' and an incredibly wide spectrum of opinions. - Charlie Anzman

Gillmor is now blaming the chatroom for the tone of the show? How is that? - jccalhoun

Gillmore wants to take his ball and go home... Steve give it up and do your show we love you Man. - Rock

Leo I hope that you keep this show. It is a bit different from other shows but the drama mostly is incidental to some really interesting discussions. I think a lot of it is direct styles of discussion between passionate personalities. - Dominic

I'm not a big fan of the drama! I don't care for the show. To much beckering! I don't believe it fits the TWIT network. - MarK

They don't seem to understand Leo's point that you can be aggressive without taking shots at people. - jccalhoun

If Steve wants to take his ball & go home then FINE...Arrington was wrong & Steve is wrong not to acknowledge it...Techcrunch has been hit time & time again for it's "ethics"..Maybe that's why Palm didn't send them a review unit? Why send one to someone who has pre-judged your product? Arrington the Bill O'Reilly of tech? - David J. Garcia from twhirl

Just watched the re-run. Leo, Gillmor Gang is the best show on your network and Dominic nailed the reason why there is drama and today we got the confirmation that you're only human too. - Alberto Saavedra

Just dump the show. I'd rather watch reruns of your other shows that are all superior to what Steve has to offer anyway - Andy

i want to go to techcrunch to see if Arrington has brought it up, but then I'd be giving that bastard pageviews. - Dave Martin

dave: mike posted his side of the 'blow up' in a post titled "ouch" and he posted the youtube video too - it was kind of an apology, and leo accepted and apologized himself for his reaction - leo came back to the studio, got mike, steve, and scoble on and they talked it all out - hopefully everything is all good - it was re-running on the stream, i think that's over tho and the stream is on to the next re-run - Chris Heath

Can I download the show somewhere? - Wo

dave: in the 'second half' of the GG mike admitted that he only apologizes about once a year, and that he was being and asshole - Chris Heath

Downloads available here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

i think mike and leo are cool now - but steve still seemed pissed that the audience doesn't read his mind or something - it's kind of akin to how steve get's irked by people asking about the podcast for the GG (which hasn't been available since april) - steve moving over to twit widend his audience and he probably feels a bit out of control of his show since the audience (live audience... more... - Chris Heath

as I stated earlier on Twitter I have blocked techcrunch via OpenDNS settings - John Blanton from twhirl

Listening to the continuing discussion of this blow up reminds me of the reaction of the NPR Planet Money blog commenters to Adam Davidson's interview with Elizabeth Warren. Long after the protagonists have calmed down and made peace, the internet seethes with rage. Where's the sense of perspective, friendfeed peeps? - Matt Hall

Yeah, but he's unboxed a Pre at this point so... yeah :) - Jay Cuthrell

Matt Hall -- it's only been like 4 hours since it happened. That's hardly "long after" ;-) - jccalhoun

jccalhoun - In the real-time world it is ;) - Matt Hall

If you go by Steve's logic and he doesn't care about the audience, then it doesn't matter if the plug is pulled. Don't think Leo minds banter, but just doesn't want the kind of p2p internal drama trolling you'd see on a World of Warcraft forum per say. Mike was def out of line, he apologized. Steve on the other hand seems like he needs to let "his" show go to Leo. Leo appears... more... - Jonathan Langdale

Here's the NPR Planet Money episode and blog post I mentioned, for those of you who can't get enough of the drama: http://www.npr.org/blogs... - Matt Hall

Most entertaining GG moment ever! - Douglas

I am a huge TWiT content listener, and the primary emotion I feel after all of the shows is typically enthusiasm, optimism, and general good feeling. GG often leaves me frustrated over lack of manners, respect, and behavior issues. Passion over topics cannot disguise the fact that the overriding tone is contrary to the rest of the TWiT shows. I think it does not fit. - Amac

This one is rapidly heading for 1500 comment territory... http://friendfeed.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell

Leo doesn't need to "take over" the Gillmor Gang, he has TWiT among others which I think with the cross-pollination of some elements of the GG (JC for example) and exclusion of others (MA), is almost as good an experience. What amazes me is that Arrington still wonders why he polarises so many people... - Hamish MacEwan

Just woke up from a Nice little Nap Has the GG been recorded somewhere? Really would like to see Todays GG 2.0 - Erle Stride

Thank you Nicholas - Erle Stride

it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear a flippant remark from Arrington anytime a serious Apple competitor is brought into the conversation. Good for you Leo, he seriously needed a lesson in humility amd you delivered masterfully - JCunwired

Anyone that Listens to MacBreak or TWiT knows that Leo has said he was going to buy a Pre a hundred times. Receiving a review copy means nothing, that is the industry standard practice. No apologies needed Leo, you were justified to be upset. Keep up the great work and you have my support! - John - becomingamac.com

I think Leo should either pull the show from TWiT or allow someone else (Colleen?) sit in his seat to produce the show. Steve and Leo have very different goals. Leo puts his focus on the quality of the product for the audience. Steve puts his emphasis on running the show and doesn't care as much about quality. Leo spends thousands on equipment and facilities; Steve probably bought his webcam and headset on clearance and hosts the show from a rumpus room. - Matt Matthews

it appears that there is a demand for gg and if leo thinks its in the best interest of his nework to host it, i support that. however i think that it may be something he should consider having someone else host. as his network grows he is going to need to share the helm and this may be a perfect opportunity. personally i would love to see it a little more like the old tech tv lineup.... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

Last week the Gillmor Gang was moved to Friday recordings and Leo did call in from home with Colleen runing the board. That was going to be the new recording arrangement but personal issues meant that the show couldn't be done this Friday and so they did it Saturday. So at least the plan was for Leo not to be appearing on the show from his studio any more. - jccalhoun

As far as I'm concerned the GG has always been an inferior offering which seemed only to serve the egos of those involved, long before it ever was hosted by TWiT Network. I don't think TWiT would be any the less without it. Regardless of the current argument. - Dave Wallace

Wow. Just saw what happened earlier. Good for Leo. I'm quite confident that Leo is not proud of his behavior, but Arrington has been an insufferable prick for quite some time, and utterly had this coming. That it came from Leo speaks volumes, and should have Arrington re-thinking his own conduct. - Phil Essing

Nicholas James: Thanks for the update, but were these pro-forma apologies? Leo's reaction to Arrington's characteristic button-pushing was about as genuine as they come. I would expect Leo to apologise for his behavior, but not for putting Arrington in his rightful place. - Phil Essing

I have to add I really enjoy the GG when Leo is NOT in Studio Leo should step back and be a guest out of the studio - Erle Stride

This has to be the biggest FF comment list I've ever seen. I'm with Leo! - Jim Graham

Just listening to part 2. Scoble just called in... Michael and Leo still making up. Steve's still waiting to weigh in. I think the fundamental mismatch between Steve and Leo's approaches to dead air is irreconcilable, and today sort of brought that to the forefront. - Ken Sheppardson

Not just dead air, I guess. Hm. - Ken Sheppardson

We love you Leo! - Imran Idris

Not sure why people are calling for the GG to be removed from the Twit Network. It's an odd fit but a good one nonetheless. Whatever happens I am glad that apologies have been exchanged and we can draw the line on this drama. - Jamie

Been thinking about all of this since it happened, and particularly about the impression that people took away from Steve's comment about community. Unfortunately, people listened to the first part without putting it into the larger context of the entire statement. When looked at in the context of the entire statement, it is completely consistent with how Steve Gillmor rolls. It is an... more... - Karoli

+1 Karoli - Brad Kligerman

The answer is clear. John C. Dvorak should be added to the mix. The TWiT+GG+CG trifecta would be the driving cat. - Jay Cuthrell

arrington shut down the comments on his post "ouch" at techcrunch dot com. he was getting ridiculously rude comments. isnt that why everyone was mad at him, for being rude? - Tobias Lewsadder

Tobias: Actually, they were mad at him for questioning Leo's integrity. That's a little different from being rude. I suppose they didn't listen to Part II of today's Gillmor Gang, where Leo and Mike made amends, and Mike admitted he was a couple of steps ahead in the conversation, forming a rant about Palm. It was an astonishing moment for me to hear him admit he was 100% wrong. Given that he did, rude comments seem a bit out of line. I'd have shut them down too. - Karoli

1164 comments. woah - Tyler Gillies

Tyler - I know right. This thread has two winners: 1. Palm 2. FriendFeed - Bwana ☠ from IM

a truly bad day with an incredibly awful end. Good night. - Tina Chase Gillmor

I can't believe there is already a Keyboard Cat on this, lol. - Jamie

just stating the obvious: as everybody knows gilmor gang is pretty much a bunch of old men cursing, declaring their opinions, & highlighting time and again that ugly kindergarten fights can break out regardless of age, education or status. it fosters dirty tricks and underhanded-ness. at times it's trying to have an edge with uninteresting cheap shots. the people aspect detracts from... more... - sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq

http://tiny.cc/0diXG Maybe this is why Palm didn't send Mike a Palm Pre to review???? "We’ve never broken an embargo at TechCrunch. Not once. Today that ends. From now our new policy is to break every embargo. We’ll happily agree to whatever you ask of us, and then we’ll just do whatever we feel like right after that. We may break an embargo by one minute or three days. We’ll choose at random." - Andy

@vstromdek but the record (now at 1173 posts with this one) is remarkable not only for the quantity of posts but also for its qualities> the diversity of points of view and the spontaneous manner that 2 communities (GG & TWiT) converged + deconverged around a strange and exceptional event. I agree @bwana, a victory for Friendfeed and real-time webs. - Brad Kligerman

WOW!!! Leo said a bad word. - Joe Demartino

...but I truly believe Leo is underestimating the essential force of Gillmor Gang: it is NOT a question of 'drama,' rather a question of the creative process engaged through critical confrontation, whose goal is the emergence of raw IDEAS. 'Idea' does not always = 'content.' The entropic spin-off of this process can perhaps be 'dramatic,' but drama is neither the intention, the device nor the content. - Brad Kligerman

That was amazing. Don't press the buttons of the man pressing the buttons, huh? I think some animosity was brewing from Leo over the Last.fm RIAA issue that TechCrunch was on to. I like a lot of TWiT shows: the enthusiasm, humor and inquisitiveness draw me in. Now more than before, I appreciate the transparency of disclosures (review unit vs. purchase) that have always been there, but not as glaringly emphasized. - Kevykev

The GG is the only show I don't watch on TWiT. It won't be missed, Leo. Don't waste your time with it anymore and focus your time on the other great content you create. That guy is a jerk and you don't need to feel bad or regret what you did. - MIQAL

Questioning Leo's integrity was uncalled for. I don't know Leo other than listening to his netcasts since twit started and despite our limited digital one-way interaction I trust his judgment and wait to hear what he says about a gadget before I seriously considering purchasing. Leo's a seasoned enough professional that he's probably over the whole thing by now. Leo - From 9,000 miles and 10 times zones away - keep up the great work! - Anant Gairola

Had a feeling it would be busy here................. - Kevin J Hatton

Karoli-I heard Steve's comment re: community as he will not pander to any "community." If a community forms around his work great and if it doesn't that is ok too, is my take away from his comment. I am sure Leo having the power to shut down the show was a turning point as well, where it leads will be interesting to see. - Jim Posner

karoli- i consider questioning someones integrity to be rude and insulting. arrington came off as a jerk. i did listen to that second gg and was rather impressed by how open both were and actually was a bit saddened by arringtons current emotional status. steves comments on how it was "his" show were a bit annoying but he is right. it would be interesting to see how well the show did... more... - Tobias Lewsadder

This gets a *facepalm* award for obvious reasons... see http://friendfeed.com/ffacepa... - Richard Walker

Jim: The community that forms around editorial integrity is a far better one than the opposite. The issue of control, though...that's huge. Tobias: I agree that death threats are always out of line. And my dislike for Arrington and feelings that he has no compunction about stomping on people and then playing the victim when they push back do not mean that I support in any way, shape or... more... - Karoli

wasn't a fan of Steve Gillmor and didn't care for show didn't watch after second one - Bob

keyboard cat #2 on digg.com http://digg.com/gadgets... I dont know if this makes me love the internet more or hate it. - Thomas McGivern

Loren Feldman's video response is good. - Stephen M. Otto

The second part of the show (post blow-up -- with Leo, Michael, Steve, and Scoble) is replaying right now on http://live.twit.tv. - Ken Sheppardson

Seems a lot of brouhaha about a couple friends having a spat. Not sure doing this in the public-stream is adding much value. It's a bit like watching Oprha Winfrey and Barbara Walters having a spat on their show. Maybe it's entertainment? - Michael Metz

Listening to the replay of the post-blow up broadcast. I totally understand why Leo blew up. I recently had a similar blow up where an aspect of integrity was questioned by someone close to me, and it hit a nerve. On the other hand, I think the purpose of GG is to probe deeply, and sometimes prosecutorially. If Leo doesn't want that style on his network, he should set GG free. - Stephen M. Otto

Wow. I always miss the good stuff. Well not "good" but you know what I mean. - Rustic Thoughts

Wow the Pre is a might sexier than my bulky android with that ridiculous "chin" - Rustic Thoughts

I love the intro music.... - Rustic Thoughts

hey from georgia STILL WITH LEO the twits vedios out of order again stick kams working ok - daveccorey

I'm jumping in--I wasn't at Woodstock, but I'm part of this historic conversation. And I'm with Leo. Anyone who has followed Leo for any length of time knows Leo's ethics. Shame on you Mike Arrington. You embarrassed yourself. And you revealed your true self. - Hamilton Wallace

Hmm. . .wonder how many more people will know about the Pre as a result of Arrington's dickishness? Could this be something new: the Arrington bump? - Hamilton Wallace

Would love to see Arrington on Cranky Geeks. Great job, Leo!!! - Jim Corkrum

We can haz FF entry for TWiT? - Ken Sheppardson

thanks to Denise we will in a second ken - Chris Heath

I love Friendfeed! I don't find it difficult, not even a little bit. - MarK

I wish the newest post in the thread was at the top. On mobile, it's a HUGE pain to scroll through all of the messages to the bottom. - Karoli

Leo, you did the right thing. Mike A. is an A-hole. - Samuel Cohen

is that my denise!!? - jeneane sessum

(still watching) - jeneane sessum

Wow... that Bing video search is... let's just say the secure web gateway market just got a nice pop. - Jay Cuthrell

Matthew: Everybody was pretty much already on a side. This just gave them a reason to cheer for their team and against the other guy. - Ken Sheppardson

In case anyone hasn't heard it, the 2nd part of the show is here: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill... - Jack

I can empathize with Leo. I've flown off the handle in similar situations. Arrington did have an intriguing point, but it seems like he hijacked the conversation and got burned trying to be sensational. If he had waited for a break in the conversation around whether the Pre was actually any good and brought up his point as a topic of discussion, things would have gone much better. I think I'll steer clear of GG. - Sam Ellis

Dude, MA is a total Richard. I am suprised you put up with it as long as you have. Everyone has limits man, I hope you don't feel guilty for it. - Adam Deem

I'd love to filter out comments that are mostly "Person X is a(n) [adjective Y] noun Z." They are EXTREMELY tiresome to wade through. If you have built a case on an individual write it up and point to it. Then you can enjoy moderating idiotic comments to your own post. That said, what I read here before my eyes glazed over isn't so bad on the whole. - Richard Walker

Christian Bale vs Leo Laporte vs Mike Arrington REMIX (with added calacanis dancing): http://tinyurl.com/l2vmyf - Linton Davies

ZGood Job Leo It your network and everyone need to keep that in mind - Richard Thomson

My rather late 2 cents on the Arrington/LaPorte exchange are here: http://bit.ly/aKZUc But Leo, you raise a MORE IMPORTANT POINT! The GG is not a good fit for your network. A few weeks you all laughed when my comment calling Gilmore "mean" bubbled up on the Skype-a-sarous. There is a reason that his show results in flame outs. Its the rather mean/unkind manner of the host. Guests take... more... - Dale Dietrich

Dale: I've been listening to some back issues of the GG and News Gang since this incident. I'm seeing that SG is very good at what he does, though he does it in a prickly and abrasive way. Sometimes he can be abrupt, but he is well informed and opinionated. It would be good for Leo to keep the GG in the TWiT stable - it broadens his portfolio, it keeps the cutting edge and insightful... more... - Jason Miller

Jason Miller: Well said. Steve is the best at what he does. It does take effort to get in the groove, but it's worth every second. - Karoli

Got here from TechCrunch. FriendFeed: ".. the nearest thing to Shangri-La for mob justice enthusiasts.". - Marisa Duma

not #FEEDwithHITS - Yusuf Temur

Thomas Hawk

Obama Vs McCain - http://www.flickr.com/photos...

August 7, 2008 from Flickr - Comment - Like - Share

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very revealing - Nathan Rein

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Obama talking about McCain much more often than vice versa. - Benedikt Koehler

Yep, who'd a thunk? - Larry Huffman

Hi Thomas, So true. I talked about you and your blog today on pop17 live with guest Erick from Tech Crunch. - Sarah Austin

Hey, thanks much Sarah! - Thomas Hawk

I suggest you read the two speeches before you pass judgment. McCain may not talk about Obama in his but that's because he barely says anything of interest at all. His speech comes in at a whopping 549 words and even in that short dialogue he manages to wander all over the place and not say anything of real substance. Seriously... read the two speeches. - Jeff Jones

Thomas - Great to see you joining the dialog here more lately, although the photos have been a great addition to Friendfeed all along! Thanks. - Charlie Anzman

I bookmarked this earlier Thomas, great stuff! - JCunwired

Obama vs McCain : Oil Energy vs Need Job. Intriguing. - Igor Poltavskiy

Dave Winer

John McCain having a 'senior moment' on Friday - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

August 3, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Oh my.... - Joanmarie

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Sometimes, I think about the future of our country and I feel scared. - Mohit

While this is forgivable in a person -- if I were as tired and stressed as he is, I'd probably do this kind of thing every single time I had to field two questions in a row -- this is just not tolerable in a candidate for president, who will, if elected (unless he's Reagan or Shrub), presumably have far more stressful moments on the job, and will need the mental stamina to stay with it. - Tegan Dowling

bush v2.0 - Krishna Gade

wow, just wow. - Morgan

McCain is freakin' me out.... how can this guy be a Presidential candidate...wow! - Susan Beebe

i dont get the multiple camera angles. Was he taking a dump in his shorts while trying to answer the question? - Rodfather

Patrick: I'm a republican - the fact that the guy can't answer the question about his campaign claiming Obama plays the race card is a joke. The fact that he can't speak articulately to his work to promote racially equality across his career with ease is either shameful or truly sad - take your pick. Every day I get closer to crossing party lines. I just want someone I can believe in - is that too much to ask? - Morgan

Yeah, everyone has a moment like that. I'm 38 and that happens to me all the time. I blank out. Imagine answering questions all the time, all day long. This is just dumb to pile on this one video, and I'm an Obama supporter. - Jim Kukral

poor guy. like others on this thread i don't take this against McCain. i'd be out of words myself if i'm in McCain's (or Obama's) shoes. i can't imagine the stress that these two candidates are subjected to 24/7. that said, there's a op-ed on NYTimes by Bob Herbert reminding people that John McCain as a maverick is just a myth. see http://bit.ly/3UGRPz - ~C4Chaos

And Saturday, and Sunday, and Monday...and everyday. - Jim Stanger

It'd be one thing if this was an isolated instance. How about the one where they ask about Carly's stand on birth control? Also, it's okay to have this happen but it's what you do that is crucial. Lose your place, don't ah, um, hem - that's not going to cut it as President. "I'm sorry, could you repeat that question?" would do nicely, cover any mental lapses and give time to process. - AJ Kohn

I like obama and i don't like this video. Those were non trivial questions asked in intelligent language spoken quickly in a row. I'm 36 and I could easily have gotten mixed up too. Posting this is no better than running brittney and paris in a video with obama as a "dog whistle". C'mon dave, you can do better. - Adrian Bye

Nobody is going to post a video of McCain here unless it shows him in a bad light. McCain is as articulate as most politicians but all you will see here are videos like the one shown. - Michael Tefft

Adrian, then you shouldn't be president either. - Dave Winer

I just posted 3 Obama gaff videos out of a number available on YouTube. Nobody, not even Obama, is perfect. - Michael Tefft

True nobody is perfect, it's just that McSame is worse than Bush at gaffing himself. - John McElhenney

The President might as well be called the Public Speaker in Chief. This stuff IS important. At least 2/3 of the job is about eloquently passing along a message that someone else has created - Nicholas Molnar

I think it's a shame that so much attention is played to such moments - on both sides. No one is perfect for sure, but these two both stand for more of the same - big government, high spending, way too much interfering in our lives, a slide toward a European style nanny state. - Ian May

ugh. when isn't he having a senior moment? - edythe

Obama having a "My ear piece isn't working moment." http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Michael Tefft

McCain still looks like a freakin' super genius next to the shrub. - iTad

That's right, Obama is not perfect. But he's fit and 46, and McCain has had cancer and is 71. Big difference, health-wise. You may not like it, but it's true. - Dave Winer

Another thing to look into -- I don't think McCain was all that smart, even when he was younger and in better health. We need to find out more about that. - Dave Winer

Eh - I was a big fan of McCain back in 2000. If it was McCain in 2000 vs Obama today I'd have a lot of thinking to do. - iTad

It's not McCain's senior moments that worry me, it's his lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, geography, etc. AND his temper. I also think he obsessed with military defeat due to his past trauma. - Rod Bauer from twhirl

I hate his hypocrisy. He makes a big deal about how he's always put his country first, and then he runs that fucked up ad that makes the presidency about Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. He'll fuck the country just so he can win an election. That's the Republican Party. They should just disband they're such sad fucks. - Dave Winer

Dave, I like your insightful commentary. I'll bet you were on the debate team in college. - Michael Tefft

Thats just sad. Look at Crist's face. He must be thinking what have I done? I bailed on blocking offshore drilling for this guy???? - Brad Nickel

For the apologists, there is no excuse for this. If you want to be President you have to always be on. The entire friggin world expects it and acts upon your every word and facial expression. This is worse than Reagen in his 2nd term. Once I would say he was thinking about something else, but this happens everytime he faces a tough question about his record! - Brad Nickel

Interesting that something as stupid and insignificant as this gets 30 comments, while a story of real substance and meaning such as the Antrax investigation gets not one bit of discussion. I think some conclusions can be made about that. - Christopher Dickens

@Christopher Dickens. Yes, I guess it means you are a genius and all us others are mere mortals. Is there an alter I can worship you at? - Michael Tefft

Scary. - Paul Haahr

Paul Buchheit

Killing your phone's GSM buzz with ferrite beads - Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2008...

August 3, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"Tired of all that GSM buzz coming from your cellphone when all you wan to do is listen to music? The guys at MacLife have re-uncovered a simple fix that involves parts that you probably have laying around in your spaghetti drawer. Just grab some ferrite beads -- the same ones that often ship with TVs and USB cables -- and attach them to your speaker cables near the speakers." - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet

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Whoa, that's a smart idea! BTW, Ferrite = Iron for the non-chem majors out there! - Susan Beebe

Thats Fe in the periodic table, right? - Roberto Bonini

How does this work? I thought ferrite beads were just low-pass filters, and I thought the whole problem with GSM interference was the presence of low-frequency components (217 Hz TDMA slicing in particular) in the generated signal. I thought the only ways around it were better shielding, differential filters, and maybe 217 Hz notch filters (which ferrite beads certainly aren't). - ⓞnor

Jason Calacanis

YouTube - iPhone Customers Strike Back at KTLA Reporter Eric Spillman - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

July 13, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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"is this journalism!??!" + "jackass" ---> classic! - Jason Calacanis from Bookmarklet

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I always hated that eric spellman thats why i dont watch KTLA - erick

Wow. What was the point of that? Someone should submit that clip along with a reply comment when that station files for it's FCC license renewal. Two words: Public. Interest. - Andrew Feinberg

It's the 'new' journalism. - Dave "Freedom 35"

news? where? - Andrew Feinberg

That was great! - Steve Garfield from twhirl

Todays news is simply entertainment. A true journalist could have created an interesting story exploring the motivations of the iPhone buyers. - Jim McCusker

AHAHAH. I that's why I hate broadcast journalists. - David Cohn

Brilliant! - Andy Lewandowski

I prefer Aaron Brazell's iPhone review. http://bit.ly/1jvV2A - Jim McCusker

Looking for hard hitting journalism from the man-on-the-street section of a local news show, eh? Hey, when the weather man shows the local pound puppy up for adoption that day they better not throw it any softball questions, either. They need to get to the truth with that beast! - Jim Stanger

This is/was now on Digg.com - william barnes

Just proves that terrestrial media does not get it! - Steven (optionshiftk)

so last week - adolfo foronda

Robert Scoble

An algorithym for block spam here on FriendFeed: if an account has x more blocks than subscribers put the account into jail where it won't show up in anything others than the jail. I don't like Facebook's policy of deleting stuff. Just move it to jail.

July 13, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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I like the idea, except maybe it could be modified so that it would not punish new accounts. If someone is blocked by the very first person who sees their them, they would go to jail before they could even get subscribers. Maybe there could be a probationary period for new users so that they wouldn't immediately be put in the jail. Or there could be a minimum number of hides before they are jailed - Thomas B

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That's why I said "x" because it shouldn't be one. - Robert Scoble

I like the jail argument. - Cem Catikkas

For what it's worth, I created a room tonight to list FF spammers (http://friendfeed.com/rooms...). I only have 2 in there right now, but I figure as people add more it gives us a central place to go through and just block them as they pop up. It would be fantastic if FF took care of the spammers on their own but for now I think this will hopefully help. - Robert DeBord

This further illustrates the problem with Friendfeed Rooms. Just like Facebook has way too many "kinda similar" groups, which results in overlapping groups trying to do the same thing. http://friendfeed.com/rooms... Part of the reason why I haven't been really using the FF rooms feature very much. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

See, what happens if you get bunch of spammer accounts that blocks bunch of legit posts? What is that called? Reverse spamming? - Cem Catikkas

@Cem I think it's called a false positive (like if a CAPTCHA prevents a legitimate user from doing something) - Thomas B

@Cem: I think there would have to be a human element involved, like an appeal process. Also, if I could expand on Robert's algorithm: 'Jail' = 'x'% of blocks and/or 'y' > Followers, 'Y' could be points for identical posts or excessive hyper-links. - Johnny

I must admit, I am afraid of the spam that will show here eventually - Stewart Rogers

It's not going to take long for the Twitter spammers to figure out FF exists - I've had a load there the last 2 weeks from people spamming about the6figureteam.com. - Sally Church

The way twitter spammers can be identified is via their following/followed ratio and the rate at which they follow people. I saw one today that was following 500 people in every 4 minutes. Perhaps a similar metric could be used here? - Mr. Gunn

YEAH ROBERT!!! great idea!! jackass jail... fantastic! - Susan Beebe

so what will the user say ? "I'm jailbreaking the FF jail ?" - Peter Dawson

So where's the march onto Facebook for exposing such negative emotions in the first place? Amnesty or Attica! - Roney Smith

Louis Gray

Why building a blog is so hard - http://www.blogstorm.co.uk/why-bui...

July 9, 2008 from delicious - Comment - Like - Share

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Thomas Hawk

The number one way I find people to add on FF? Nope, not FFs recommendations, finding little white bubbles next to people making interseting comments in conversations. These are the people that I want more of. Folks that participate intelligently are far more valuable than A listers who don't.

July 7, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Agreed, when I find a thread I really like, I tend to add a bunch of commentors from it. - Phil Glockner

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I'm only just now starting to use FF, even though I signed up months ago...and I agree, this tool is far more useful than even twitter. - Jeremy Botter

I agree 100% Tom. That is how I have been finding a lot of people. I am relatively new to FF so that and friend of a friend posts are the only ways I am finding people. - Matt Donders

Personally - that's why FriendFeed is differentiating itself from a lot of other sites. It caters to those active people that want to discuss, learn, inform - which makes it a resource that I come back to over and over again... - George Smith

I'm in absolute agreement but have to admit that I've added some of the A listers just to see who's talking to them intelligently. Granted, the ROI's a little low, but sometimes watching the fawning is reward in and of itself. <insert sarcasticon here> - Linda Mills

You get what you give - Dave Martin

Good point, this is one of the reasons why I'm spending more time on FF now - great way to discover and interact with new people that have relevant information/comments to share - Gabriel Biguria

So very true. My page of "recommended" friends is nothing but a bunch of A-listers that would fill my FF pages with mostly junk, and not a lot of substance. - Brandon Wood

ditto ditto and ditto - just added Gabriel and Jeremy in fact - Marco(aureliusmaximus)

When I am looking for people that share my interests, I search for a headline I really liked on the everyone tab and check out others who shared it and see what they are all about. It is kind of time consuming but fun. - Geoff Schultz {TF}

we use the same technique - Fred Grott

I'd also add that you don't have to add a whole lot of people to get quality content thrown into your FF stream. I'm slowly adding people and the value of FF went up 10 fold. - Otto R. Radke

The goal of adding friends here is to have intersting stuff in your Friendfeed. And you do that by carefully watching the dicussion not just in terms of comments and likes ( as mentioned above multiple times), but what items are posted by people. Thats whats I look for. - Roberto Bonini

the ancient toad style of social networking - Anthony

Actually if you do that you soon realize that there's more content by interesting people here than time you have to read that. Then, the question stops being how to find interesting people (that you'll keep finding and following) but how to reduce the noise... - Marcos Marado from fftogo

So Marcos the task at hand is to become Jedi of the Hide button and learn how to fine tune everything. - Mark Forman

Hide is awsome, but I'm feeling it is not enough. I hope noiseriver ends up being the solution, but... it still hasn't the hide feature implemented :-) - Marcos Marado from fftogo

Hah! I just added everyone in this post who I wasn't already subscribed to. - Thomas Hawk

Ha! Prepare to be inundated with my brand of minutia! - Geoff Schultz {TF}

If the same friend of X comes up often, and I find them interesting, I will subscribe to them. - Hao Chen

No white bubbles here for me. - Robert Scoble

Thomas: I do the same thing too - Sally Church

I get zero comments on FF to my posts. I'm not A-list of course. I'm more like a lesser known Baldwin brother. - Jason Shultz from twhirl

LOL @ Scoble's comment!! ha, ha! - Susan Beebe

@Jason Participation is a two way street. - Hao Chen

amen brutha! - Scott Jarkoff

I, too, am just getting more involved in this social networking thing ... - Robert Couture

This taps into what for me is the stand-out experience FF. 'Common Interest' is _one_ facet, but there's more going on in deciding to Subscribe or not. It's like a first impression in person - the brain takes a bunch of behavioral cues builds a profile in seconds upon which decisions (sometimes lasting) are made. To balance the split decision weakness of not enough information, just cruise through the person's feed for 'background check'. All common sense I suppose. - Micah

Yeah but I frikin HATE the moment I add 1 person from a thread i like, I get bumped out of the thread & have to go back & search for it again to see if I want to add anyone else. - Mrsth

@mrsth, I agree 110% w/ that. It's easier to open a new tab then scroll down and locate the topic again... - Czar

Nah...I add completely based on superficiality and looks. :-P - Live4Emma (L4S)

@Czar- ah I didn't realize you could do that. I'll give it a whirl. Thx!!! - Mrsth

@Carlos Perez- Ahh. that explains alot. You can only see my legs:-) - Mrsth

i guess just a 'me too' here would be totally wrong. - MLx

I think the only way to find those interesting people you don't know is to subscribe to the popular people. I've been finding some interesting folks that way. Otherwise, no one posts comments to your own stuff. Oh, to be unpopular. Sigh. - Eric

That's exactly correct. I don't auto-follow. I add people who comment and like and share things I'm interested in. - Louis Gray

wow, that's a super-excellent observation. i'm taking the hint with a few 'white-bubble' folks here too. altho i wonder if the FF folks shouldn't cue that behavior up with mouse-over info on the bubble icons... i had no clue why the color was showing up at first. (then again, i'm often an idiot) - dave mcclure

awesome. this reaffirms why i like ff better than twitter. the failwhale is kind of endearing, though. - Marissa "malouie"

Couldn't agree more! The Fancy Pants people are too fancy, I just want interesting conversation(s)! - Cheryl

Totally agree!! Wish I could get some of those people as my friends too!! - ChaCha Fance

I can't stand FF posts with more than 10 comments. I want to filter them out but there is no option for that. - Sam Pullara

What client are you using? twirhl makes comments on FF OK, but just OK. It's a shame that we're all this way and still don't have clients that support threaded conversations as good as tin or slrn on usenet... - David Molnar from twhirl

Good tip:) - Igor Poltavskiy

david let's agree on 'as good as on usenet' - i never could stand neither tin nor slrn *g* but yes. it is now 10 years ago that most decent usenet clients had a feature set still not rediscovered for everything feedish ... - Nicole Simon

Agreed as well I look out for the white speech bubbles as well to see what value they add to the FriendFeed community! - Joe Dawson

and little like icons ;) - Tyler Gillies

Occasionally I'll wander over to everyone and 'browse'. it's really eye opening as FF grows - Charlie Anzman

Charlie, I like doing that too, but we need a language filter badly! - Hao Chen

The number one trick A-listers use and I never liked? " hey I'm here now on friendfeed, comment on this if you want me to follow you". I don't want them to follow me because they are important. I want them to follow me because they feel I'm important to them! - Alexander van Elsas

Agreed- when I see opinions I like from someone several times, I check to see if I've subscribed to them yet. - Brian Carter

My first time on FF and I like the interaction I'm seeing. The "white bubbles" are a great way to find new and interesting people. - Tom Newman

That's a great way to find friends with whom you can actually talk and count as friends. And the comments are a great feature of FF. I'm just getting to know how to make FF useful for me... - Dan V

I haven't found FF list of recommendations terribly useful either. Although this is a bad example, because it brought me to this entry. - TDavid

The criteria of "participate intelligently" is a relative word. What is "intelligent" to you may sound "stupid" to others? I guess the more appropriate term would be "value-adding to the conversation".. But I agree 100% on how "comments" can really uncover hidden gems! - Winston Teo

I do this too. I consider the comments a kind of signaling (a concept I learned from economics). Too bad there are so little interesting people in FF (to me at least, my interests are a little "off" from the median). - Meryn Stol

Louis Gray

@davewiner Twitter is like a topping on FriendFeed's pizza. Everybody loves pizza. Not everybody agrees on toppings.

June 28, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Pure poetry. - Jonathon

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I definatly Agree. All of the content on friendfeed is just content, and friendfeed is simply turning into a medium to get it. No one have to use Twitter. I think its stupid all of these people are talking about people moving from Twitter to FriendFeed. It doesn't matter what you use, just use it, put out content, and become involved in the conversation - Tyler (Chacha) from twhirl

Everybody loves pizza who's actually heard about pizza. In this case, a lot more people know about the topping than the pizza. Twitter is the cheese in this case, I guess. And cheese can go on lots of things. Not just pizza. - mrshl

Nice one Louis... I'll have thin crust, cheese, onions, peppers, black olives, tomatoes, oh and add some tweets! - Susan Beebe

Awesome statement Louis! - Vince DeGeorge

very classy statement !! - Peter Dawson

Well, twitter is making my pizza feel like a margherita these days... I need my tasty flavour :-) - Matt Frog

Classy statement, mrshl ;) - Yuvi

you made me hungry. - Orli Yakuel

hmmm... isn't FriendFeed just a delivery service for the Twitter Pizza? - Alex Popescu from twhirl

Some like extra twitter, some like their twitter a little well done, and some just want no effing twitter at all! - Mike Lewis

Deleting My Own Comment. Doesn't Pertain to Post - Tyler (Chacha) from twhirl

I only want Twitter on half. And I want it cut into squares... - Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™

Currently, Twitter is the cheese :) A hot, stinking cheddar. - Bwana ☠

Please save me a slice. - Jim Stanger

twitter is a topping that is NEVER freakin' available! augh!! - Susan Beebe

My daughter wouldn't touch pizza if you paid her. I didn't eat it until I was 15. Not everyone likes pizza. But some of us will eat it if the rest of you are deadset on going to a Pizzeria but only b/c we like your company. - Lucretia Pruitt

What's that sound? Oh, it's the perfect analogy for explaining FriendFeed. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Could it be a schmear on FF's bagel? - iTad

it's the chocolate in my peanut butter. - sean808080

Please tell me why a 6 day old Twitter got liked? I think we need to set up a new standard that if its older than like 2 days, don't 'like' it and bring it to the top of everyones feed - Tyler (Chacha) from twhirl

sounds like you are limiting the idea of social meida extending beyond your social map - Michael W. May from twhirl

Somehow I missed this on June 28. It's cute! - Dave Winer

Dave Winer

Interview with Marshall Kirkpatrick - http://www.scripting.com/stories...

March 15, 2008 from Scripting News - Comment - Like - Share

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