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Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
Dave Martin, Nir Ben Yona, Susan Beebe and 9 other people liked this
Hopefully the discussion today will be on "Fire." ;)
- Alex de Soto
I bet Steve hates the Fire. And he will probably utterly dismiss it.
- David Lloyd
7 min and counting.... Oops 6!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Robert Scoble in the house or MIA?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Robert is in the Land of Google+
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Ahh just getting him in now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm here.
- Robert Scoble
Quick tech glitch...standby
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Standby
- Robert Scoble
Stay on target! :-)
- Robert Scoble
and it's really real…
- Jerome Hughes
taking over the world? Meh. Nice tool for the AMZ silo.
- Karoli
When you combine retail, AWS, and the tablet direction, the world is becoming Jeff's oyster.
- Michael Mahemoff
http://technologizer.com/2011...
- Kevin Marks
Right now Amazon's Tablet isn't a Car, it's a Bike!
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Which makes the kindle a Segway?
- Michael Mahemoff
who's letting off fireworks in the park?
- Kevin Marks
bike > car
- Jerome Hughes
Chrome browser to Android (finally) http://bit.ly/mQbBsA
- cliveb
i just have iphone - too small to read on so i use kindle on the mac/whatever
- mal
Perhaps Apple will make a 7 inch iPod Touch to counter this Amazon Tablet!
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
reminds a bit of eclipse plug in differences
- Jerome Hughes
What about the Amazon buying Palm OS from HP rumor. Any teeth to the rumor?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Does Microsoft get royalties on the Fire too?
- Alex de Soto
it's all about how far you fold it from your eyes
- Kevin Marks
MS will probably ask for licensing. I can't see why not.
- Michael Mahemoff
When is Apple TV going to release an app store? That will change everything.
- Fraser Cain
Walmart's on a roll with their new lab. They are probably very interested in WebOS.
- Michael Mahemoff
slowly decreasing percentage of quickly increasing market... ok
- Jerome Hughes
If Amazon buys Palm, Android will suffer
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
actually there's very little beatles on spotify
- Ankush Narula
We're going to have to turn into flies so we can watch so many screens at one time.
- Alex de Soto
amazon won't buy palm
- Kevin Marks
you got a blind, for one
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify only has Beatles covers afaict. Artists "#1 Beatles Now" and "The Ultimate Beatles Cover Band" aren't the Beatles.
- Michael Mahemoff
they only have Mozart covers too
- Kevin Marks
Kindle has no apps because Amazon was holding off on their platform, waiting for Android. Change again to WebOS and they set the clock back another 18 months.
- Michael Mahemoff
they're hiring: http://aws.amazon.com/amazons...
- Kevin Marks
More likely Oracle buys Palm for mobile strategy like SAP (funded by Android royalties)
- cliveb
Walmart otoh has a blank slate and apparently a mandate for acquisitions.
- Michael Mahemoff
The Amazon Android fork already has set them back in time. Will only get worse unless Amazon creates a full OS team to keep their fork relevent.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
a blank slate? is that one with no apps?
- Kevin Marks
Is Jeff Bezos trying to be the 'new' Steve Jobs?
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Not even a web browser.
- Michael Mahemoff
A single SPDY thread, that's why it's called silk (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...)
- Michael Mahemoff
Thanks, Michael!
- Robert Scoble
Moe: no, he's trying to keep up with Zuckerberg.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure but the Fire seems to have a better form factor for video (widescreen) than the current iPad.
- Alex de Soto
they are a shopping company. they want you to shop
- Kevin Marks
Fire is 16:9, like most Android tablets, and Mac Laptops
- Kevin Marks
and iMacs, come to think of it
- Kevin Marks
True Robert. Where is the 'killer guy' from Microsoft
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
And you can check out Kindle books from some public libraries.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: the killer guy at Microsoft is the guy who runs the law department.
- Robert Scoble
if only microsoft had had someone 8 years ago touting the benefits of tablets....
- mal
He needs to fire Steve Ballmer
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Moe: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Hey guys and gals
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian!
- Robert Scoble
Who would be stupid enough to invest in bandwidth when the US Gov can make you resell it to competitors at no profit? That's why
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, my google plus following has gone nuts. :) Thanks for sharing
- Christian Burns
examine some past infrastructure you know well in the present... http://www.historicaerials.com/
- Jerome Hughes
bollocks, Stephen. structural separation works
- Kevin Marks
better late than never.
- Aron Michalski
Bollocks, Kevin, there's no free market in communications. That's why we don' t have fiber connections at competitive prices
- Stephen Pickering
infrastructure evolves based on demand which also evolves
- Jerome Hughes
we have the worst of both worlds - local monopolies with no structural separation
- Kevin Marks
Through Motorola, Google will copy Apple by opening Google Stores, selling Google Phones, Tablets, Netbooks, TV's and everything Android
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
how about duct neutrality?
- Kevin Marks
I have dark fiber going by my house, if only I could tap it.
- Christian Burns
Where does the US rank in net performance? http://www.netindex.com/ - not in top 10. But 4th in the G8 http://www.netindex.com/downloa...
- John Taschek
they look suspiciously like record execs from 10 years ago
- Jerome Hughes
an invitation to compete
- Jerome Hughes
Grey Davies, Action star
- Kevin Marks
except for that whole Honeycomb source code thing
- Ankush Narula
That's called the free market
- Stephen Pickering
The intersection of politics and tech!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The fork is the big issue which should be the real concern for buying the Fire.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
my mac.com accounts have stopped worked
- Kevin Marks
One week after Apple launches their next iPhone, Google will showcase their new Smartphone. Just how good is their latest Andriod Sweet sounding Software upgrade.
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
All of this is a mute point. As soon as it is OPENED or Cracked it is a game changer. Barnes and Noble NOOK
- amarquart
From the Amazon website: "Your Favorite Apps and Games... Angry Birds, Plants vs. Zombies, The Weather Channel and more, plus a great paid app for free every day. All apps are Amazon-tested on Kindle Fire for the best experience possible."
- Alex de Soto
woohoo!! Amazon Android free apps. I got some of those in my Dell Streak 7
- Da
so why is Google adding 3rd campus in Seattle (840 person Bothell bldg)
- cliveb
Hey another Dell Streak 7 owner :) #iwork4dell
- Susan Beebe
google is hiring all over the place - huge building in London too
- Kevin Marks
interesting... Google Social expansion?
- Susan Beebe
apple broke my mac.com accounts last night too
- Kevin Marks
friend at meetup last night was asked what his next Android would be... his response... iPhone 5
- Jerome Hughes
let me know we're eagerly anticipating the Gingerbread upgrade on the Steak 7, Susan
- Da
mmm, Steak
- Kevin Marks
hmm. thought spring cleaning could reduce Google's need for additional Engineers
- cliveb
The new Assistant Service on the next iPhone could be a huge attraction for Mobile upgrades
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
The Huawei Honor Android Gingerbread Phone claims three days on a single charge...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it's yummy too
- Da
This show always continues to amaze me. Packed with info and educated opinion. You guys rock! Sorry don't mean to applaud our own show but...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wait a minute. Windows 8 is focused on tablet use....
- amarquart
I don't even remember to charge the blackberry
- Kevin Marks
amarquart: exactly. It's far less interesting.
- Robert Scoble
BECAUSE of the Amazon.
- Robert Scoble
I should give it back
- Kevin Marks
One thing Rim does is product placement. Seems like every new movie and tv show the actors are using a Blackberry. Won't HTML5 help Rim hang on?
- Stephen Pickering
those Android IDEOS phones that Huawei's been selling like hotcakes in Kenya is probably optimized for long battery life
- Da
and minis (or at least the OS) ~ a good friend in that space says the best thing ever to happen to RIM is iPhone
- Jerome Hughes
Blackberry haz cheaper data plans (x3 texting kids mks difference)
- cliveb
I had to use a blackberry in London. Yuck. I hated it!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android is diversifying into all the phone niches - Huawei are replacing the feature phone niche that Nokia thought they owned
- Kevin Marks
A black hole that the (average) consumer of Facebook doesn't seem to want...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Most of the tablets I saw when I was in the Philippines in May were Samsung Galaxy 7's
- Da
Microsoft has an Asshole
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
popular isn't the same as ubiquitous
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft has it's relationship with Facebook? No?
- Stephen Pickering
True Kevin...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Balmer is going to try to buy their way in. And that is why it will fail. stigma
- amarquart
Facebook's Project Spartan would be big on feature phones
- Da
At least Microsoft has Skype
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
facebook zero was aimed at that maket
- Kevin Marks
Scobleizer for nobel prize in black holes!
- cliveb
Just hope Robert doesn't disappear down one
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
hmm, I dunno though, in the most of the world, Microsoft's still pretty unanimous with computers. It might be a no-name box but it runs on Windows
- Da
Microsoft will distribute through Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
MS has Bing! and XBox. A relationship w/Facebook, Skype. Hate to say it, but they will have a conduit into the black holes.
- Alex de Soto
Robert rocks as usual
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
what proportion of IE browsers have google toolbar installed?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin's hair and the trees behind him are moving in tandem; synced?
- Aron Michalski
It's IE 8 here with the Google toolbar
- Da
now
- Jerome Hughes
doing my bit to stress the video codecs...
- Kevin Marks
caching is learning
- Kevin Marks
I was wondering if it was a Pixar algorithm...
- Aron Michalski
The new Page rank? The whoisme rank.
- Arnie Klaus
don't concentrate on who has already made the purchase but whom influenced the decision
- amarquart
next time I'll try and sit in front of a lake with sunlight glinting off it. Codecs hate that.
- Kevin Marks
Ballmer doesn't get the Web, especially Social
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Kred==PeopleBrowsr's product
- Michael Mahemoff
wondering why Micrososft put money in Facebook a while back
- Da
it's good when your clueless score plummets
- Jerome Hughes
MSFT seems to be cooking up a new GraphDB (Redmond Blackhole)
- cliveb
Steve is having a U2 moment
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
sounds like Max Headroom
- Kevin Marks
companies in the business of herding cats
- Jerome Hughes
I'm glad I have no Klout. I'd rather learn a language to communicate with someone else in the world than know the t shirt preference of a 20 something in a mall...
- Aron Michalski
his Klout score is zero but he's in everyone's circle, he's the most interesting man in the world
- Da
washington general motors
- Jerome Hughes
follower spam! not a fan of sharing G+ circle
- cliveb
If the iCloud goes social by allowing all iOS users to share their photos, music and other forms of media. Couldn't Apple be a Social Player
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
apple's ping should approach google to be their spotify/fb
- mal
that would be a nice improvement on Ping
- Da
Primordial Ooze (social gone dark)
- cliveb
I'm oozing that comment (like plus 1...)
- Aron Michalski
ping will be subsumed in twitter
- Kevin Marks
but is Apple really into social?
- Da
what does he do about those who abstain?
- Jerome Hughes
and maybe i wont have to watch ads for domestic beer
- mal
Imagine if they could track things that don't involve sitting around in front of a screen...
- Aron Michalski
mal - by any chance do you need a truck?
- Jerome Hughes
Social is about people with credit cards
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Rather to think about Facebook aggregating yet more content. Of course, it's the Zuckerberg dream come true.
- Michael Krigsman
Here's an interesting Google+ related site that aggregates my content -- https://www.foldedsoft.at/+...
- Susan Beebe
Tera Nova is not bad lol
- Susan Beebe
Terra Novacaine
- Stephen Pickering
Hah.
- Robert Scoble
Pike Kilt Lifter sure beats Budweiser
- cliveb
lol
- Susan Beebe
RIP Tevatron … bit.ly/o2zzwC
- Jerome Hughes
Anyone like The X Factor
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
I helped a friend with a problem (how would that effect my score if I didn't send them a promoted link?)
- Aron Michalski
Everyone wants to collect your most personal details with intimate fidelity, to sell more and more shit you don't really need << bad mood about this today.
- Michael Krigsman
http://bit.ly/o2zzwC
- Jerome Hughes
check out San Miguel beer
- Da
PLEASE Stream it this time ...
- Susan Beebe
haha
- Susan Beebe
iWontbethere...
- Aron Michalski
your opinions are more important than your presences
- Jerome Hughes
the coffee at Apple HQ is good
- Kevin Marks
YEP - the koolaid is even better!
- Susan Beebe
iPants
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
great shot of Steve chuckling, Tina!
- Jerome Hughes
We need centralization to build markets and consolidate customers, but at some point it's too much. Question becomes, what is that breakover point where it becomes bad.
- Michael Krigsman
when we're all in the Matrix
- Da
Will you guys talk about the greatness of HP and Oracle, or did I miss that part yet :-)
- Michael Krigsman
competition breeds success
- Jerome Hughes
Michael: hahahahahahahhah.
- Robert Scoble
YAY, glad to see the show continue :)
- Susan Beebe
Great show! Kept me in the office until 5:30 pm (EDT). Have a great weekend.
- Alex de Soto
HP and Oracle were not waterboarded
- cliveb
real men watch this in lynx
- mal
Applause for Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
bought around the same time- my bought-new HP desktop conked out before my bought-used Dell desktop, yikes!
- Da
Almost 10.30 pm in London
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
++ Susan
- Jerome Hughes
Ream men love HP :-)
- Michael Krigsman
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
lol meant to say real men
- Michael Krigsman
Great show!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Thanks and Happy Rosh Hashana :)
- Nir Ben Yona
… and Aron.
- Jerome Hughes
L'Shana Tovah
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Apple products will sell even more now because of Steve's death, in the way that music artists sell records after they die
- Moe Glitz
from iPod
San Mateo County Memorial Park (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"other than sneaky raccoons and that it must be under an SFO flight path, it's pretty nice. very family-friendly, lots of redwoods all around, bubbly brook. it's camping and 'all, but since I'm drivin'…"
- Da
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1pm PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
khaled, Laura Norvig, Kevin Costain and 5 other people liked this
Waiting for the call...
- Robert Scoble
Who is on today?
- Xenophrenia
Hello all
- Nick Halstead
Loic is on.
- Robert Scoble
I hear voices ...
- Xenophrenia
I bet Danny will be on because of google instant launch
- Maciej Głuszek
We are live.
- Robert Scoble
Cool Loic.
- Stephen Pickering
What was released? I have no idea what you are talking about.
- Todd Hoff
because Microsoft gave him money to do Silverlight
- Jerry Schuman
hilarious that Jason C. starts the thisweekin show at the same time.
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: I didn't realize Hollywood is a great place for a tech show. Seems San Francisco is a lot better. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Santa Monica to be exact but we have our fair share of tech startups down here. ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
Yeah, but only 1/1000th of what's in SF.
- Robert Scoble
Steve should call into the show and do an Audible ad.
- Jerry Schuman
Yeah, I always wondered why Mahalo/Jason was based in LA instead of the Valley
- Stephen Pickering
Yes, we cannot compete with the shear number of ex-Google engineers spinning off startups ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
Jerry: or the Facebook ones. Or the Apple ones. Or the HP ones. Or the Yahoo ones. Or the Cisco ones. Or the Twitter ones. Etc etc etc etc.
- Robert Scoble
Or the Intel ones. Or the AMD ones. Or the Lucas Films ones. etc etc etc etc. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I still regret not taking the opportunity to move north with SuperMac in the late 80's.
- Jerry Schuman
Seems like Fred Wilson/ @Dens, etc. are so competitive with NY vs West Coast, almost like they have a complex about it.
- Stephen Pickering
Santa Monica is a mini-tech zone in LA, but most startups I met there are entertainment focused
- Kevin Marks
Loic talking about partnerships is similar to what I'm hearing from Microsoft http://windowsteamblog.com/windows...
- Kevin Marks
Actually downtown LA is actually a hot bed for startups... in the truest sense of the word.
- Jerry Schuman
seesmic desktop verses web browsers as platform.
- sull
I was watching some bald french guy with funny shoes talking about "building a brand'
- Jerry Schuman
using chrome + brizzly.com is quite nice.
- sull
what about chrome offline "web apps"? - https://chrome.google.com/webstor...
- sull
my only complaint is that I completely dislike the horizontal columns layouts....
- Jerry Schuman
the seesmic UI is cold. i used it last night and today. uninstalled it today. does not feel modern, elegant. but certainly a great effort.
- sull
Is IAC anything more than an opportunistic player without any product vision whatsoever?
- coldbrew
FYI: Steve's audio is very low in comparison to all the others. I'm sure you'll adjust the mix later.
- Alex de Soto
real-time search which looks historically is not 'real-time'
- Nick Halstead
How will realtime integrate with my daily habits? The benefit is not a firehose - it will be relevant to my immediate lifestyle needs.
- Arnie Klaus
Agreed that Steve's audio is not level with others... would love to have it boosted just a bit. Please, Tina.
- Jerry Schuman
let me know if Steve's audio gets better
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Good afternoon.
- Darren
the one thing I don't like about the Google Instant feature is it's 'whiting out' of 'socially unacceptable' words - and there are some serious issues that have come up with it ..
- Xenophrenia
Jerry let me know if it's better
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Are those FB "public" posts intended to be public? Or, is it people not knowing any better?
- coldbrew
yep
- Xenophrenia
much better
- Jerry Schuman
AOK!
- Darren
Yes.
- Stephen Pickering
sound good fellas
- sull
Much better Tina!
- Alex de Soto
thanks for the audio heads-up everyone. Really appreciate your help
- Tina Chase Gillmor
seesmic plugins = chrome tabs ;-)
- sull
I believe organizing this information client-side doesn't scale.
- Darren
I think in the convergence with interactive TV/Film, Home Hub/Living room etc... Loic's positioning on the right road..."personal foyer" interfaces with browser interactivity (transmedia story structures) and cloud social media creation
- davidlee
You need to be able to make better decisions based on the data as a whole, not just within the context of a single user.
- Darren
This is the approach of Flipboard and why it has significant advantages over a purely client-based solution.
- Darren
Flipboard is a first-mover, don't be too distracted by it; it's not sustainable. See NYT /betaworks project.
- coldbrew
I will filter by my needs. If a service provides a unique behavior interaction that fulfill my needs I'll use it...on the fly.
- Arnie Klaus
Flipboard needs a better feedback loop regarding when it's updated. That is very unclear.
- Jerry Schuman
Forget my mention of Flipboard as a product, the platform they're building is what's important. This is much what Cliqset is working on as well.
- Darren
I'm at the dentist, sitting in the chair, the dentist is doing this, what should i do?..
- Arnie Klaus
coldbrew: don't be so sure about Flipboard. I have a new version coming "soon" and it's quite nice. They have a better team than Betaworks has put together too.
- Robert Scoble
Public Media API http://www.poynter.org/column...
- sull
I still say Steve Gillmor doesn't understand Flipboard. Or "Flipscam" as he puts it.
- Robert Scoble
It will push until I aggregate.
- Arnie Klaus
Robert, you have a small smudge on your camera lens btw
- Tina Chase Gillmor
and the agnostic nature it is a very good message to send to interactive tv content creators who are working with integrated retail
- davidlee
Flipboard is great for afterwork, relaxation mode, just like purusing a magazine. It's serendipitous, its not meant as a mission critical type presentation
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
Tina: fixed
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: fair enough. You have more insight than I do, but is it sustainable? True product vision is hard to find, but they have to continually innovate.
- coldbrew
no lets do it later lol
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I think paper.li is another great implementation. With really groomed, curated lists it rocks
- Jerry Schuman
For reading Facebook on Flipboard, you miss so much. I want to see all my friends posts. I can't use Flipboard for that. With Twitter is is perfectly easy to browse through. More links and magazine style reading.
- Kbug44
I love paper.li I wish my blog looked like that, presented like that
- Stephen Pickering
Sustainability has to be incentive-response based.
- Arnie Klaus
coldbrew: yes. They have a good pipeline of stuff that will come.
- Robert Scoble
@loic - http://code.google.com/chrome... comment?
- sull
either way, congrats to seesmic for a nice product. even if it's not my style.
- sull
I think I missed it.. L(
- Kevin Costain
Scoble: That sets them up as an acquisition target unless the founders are willing to hold out.
- coldbrew
Robert's microphone looks like it's going to begin a mission to Mars after the show. Is that thing from the future?
- Darren
I search scob...
- Arnie Klaus
Google Instant's primary achievement is not experience but in efficiency and scale. Small sites have done this ajaxified search for years now.
- sull
Google should sell top spots for each letter in the alphabet for each position as a side suggestion list next to current suggestion list. $$
- sull
I want to filter the instant results by "searcher type" (what academia searches, what business searches, etc.) not always by popularity.
- Alex de Soto
sull: that makes no sense
- coldbrew
Google have clearly stated that keyword frequency would fluctuate with this update
- Nick Halstead
good seo gets you into the suggested search terms list.
- sull
I 100% agree with Scoble - Danny is totally wrong
- Nick Halstead
along with trending news content.
- sull
It seems like SEO is trying to do the search engine's job
- Stephen Pickering
I love when Danny and Scoble vigorously disagree
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Google have said behaviour would be different - I find myself resulting in searching for different keywords
- Nick Halstead
coldbrew - was a joke.
- sull
I can't remember the last time I used one term for a search.
- coldbrew
I hope this is going where I think I may be.
- Darren
ffs - Danny shut up - cant cope with someone else arguing with his viewpoint as he is 'god' of SEO
- Nick Halstead
It's meta data manipulation that is the issue.
- Jerry Schuman
I think I need a fighting ring graphic or something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Now, SEO will be all about getting the first letter instead of a word. For instance what's Rei.com? They have the letter "R" on my instant
- Stephen Pickering
Hlastead: show some respect. He never claimed to be a god. FFS
- coldbrew
If Rosh Hosanah (sp) has "Ro" is that a real time type result?
- Stephen Pickering
the first letter doesn't really matter though, as people aren't going to stop typing there
- Kevin Marks
SEO is about being on first page of results.
- sull
Because they have to keep with the other pimps ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Most people do not delve deeper than that
- sull
keep up
- Xenophrenia
Yeah, your right, Kevin, I only stopped there because I was investigating. If I were normally searching, I wouldn't have stopped
- Stephen Pickering
What about the fact that apps are starting to obfuscate the need for the general web? Let's talk about that movement and its impact on SEO.
- Jerry Schuman
Sullivan and Scoble both have very interesting real world experiences that are helpful.
- coldbrew
Ugh.. I can't get a decent stream here.. seems like Danny is trying to explain why the SEO industry is like the Body Massage industry. They can't get no respect.. :(
- Kevin Costain
Danny is turning red. Tina: Can you dial down the R in the RGB. ;)
- Alex de Soto
Soto: LOL
- coldbrew
I am thoroughly enjoying reading this thread flying by even though I am not watching the broadcast right now!
- Laura Norvig
Shall I go to Wikipedia?
- Arnie Klaus
Where exactly does the Voodoo come in? :)
- Kevin Costain
I think we all can agree a dispassionate discussion would be more helpful to all.
- coldbrew
SEO - has become predominately spam - that 's what the problem is
- Xenophrenia
A kinder, gentler, SEO. hehehhe
- Stephen Pickering
How do I do good SEO for a good website. Good Content?
- Arnie Klaus
sorry, but SEO is not that clever. Otherwise there wouldnt be so many bloody 'experts'
- Nick Halstead
My own private SEO
- sull
Fact of the matter, most SEO experts, ie Otto at The Search Agency chases the Google algorithm to better understand how it works. They do manipulate data to achieve a desired result. Top of page ranking. I don't know that you can consider that organic SEO. They look for ways to defeat new implementations.
- Jerry Schuman
it's where the money is - will attract sharks every time
- Xenophrenia
Most companies that hire for SEO are receiving help on content, writing, developing a social media strategy, and more. Not trying to be spammers or game the engines.
- Kbug44
pagerank = inbound links, keywords, RSS, title optimization
- Nick Halstead
I like what Blekko is doing, which I don't understand why Google doesn't implement, which is a more streamlined filtered search which will tend to bubble up interesting stuff to the top based on filters
- Stephen Pickering
biggest hurdle is overcoming the giants in first page search results. often the better article is buried, sadly.
- sull
@stephen agreed - I love the blekko interface, especially being able to se how all the inbound links + data are exposed public
- Nick Halstead
good tummeling Kevin ;-)
- Xenophrenia
Klaus: By being genuine about the industry your company is in, one will gain prominent SERP placement. At least in theory.
- coldbrew
"Gaming Google" is not good marketing.
- Alex de Soto
http://funnystories.blogspot.com/2002... - my son on this 8 years ago
- Kevin Marks
you don't have to be an evil person to do evil things ...
- Xenophrenia
talk about the move to app centricity and how it might change the world of SEO.
- Jerry Schuman
Gillmor: Don't forget about the Boulder fire.
- coldbrew
too short... as usual. What happened to our multi-hour shows! ;-)
- Jerry Schuman
what the hell is up with my typing... geez
- Jerry Schuman
Detroit, too. Google Instant is awesome
- Da
sorry, missed comment. who needs blood? what happened?
- sull
Yeah, I'm from Detroit. Steve has a brother in Boulder. All sad. The San Bruno fire is just minutes away from us. So scary
- Tina Chase Gillmor
China Palace Restaurant (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"the Mongolian Beef is really good"
- Da
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I'm standing by waiting for the usual call.
- Robert Scoble
Cool!
- Stephen Pickering
Hey Scoble, it's not that Paul.
- Cliff Gerrish
Oh, crap. It's Paul Carr then?
- Robert Scoble
Which Paul will it be....
- Chris Aldrich
It's a mystery Paul, you'll need to tune in to see.
- Cliff Gerrish
McCartney? :-))))
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: now THAT would be a show!
- Robert Scoble
Heheheheh
- Stephen Pickering
We will be starting shortly.
- Robert Scoble
http://twitter.com/brianstorms is our special guest. Brian Dear.
- Robert Scoble
Gillmor Gang recording session live with Brian Dear, Paul Carr, Kevin Marks & Scoble- http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
Ahhh, cool, thanks for the link
- Stephen Pickering
The Plato birthday party will be at the Computer History Museum: http://www.computerhistory.org/events...
- Cliff Gerrish
They did a great job
- Stephen Pickering
hmmm. Friendfeed isn't letting me post. trying from a different place.
- Karoli
Karoli: that worked.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli, I'm seeing your post saying you aren't able to post.
- Cliff Gerrish
This is a classic battle of who has the most leverage. Happens in every industry
- Stephen Pickering
It's sort of like when Apple got rid of the disk drive.
- Cliff Gerrish
Bah. Buy the 3G. The iPad's all about convenience.
- Ken Sheppardson
yes, posting from the NGL beta window works.
- Karoli
Re: iPad - interesting post by Fred Wilson changing his opinion about the iPad: http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
- Mike Doeff
the Evo has lasted me for 2 days without plugging in
- David Robit Chen
It's really a format question... why isn't there more cross interaction between my three screens: television, computer, and phone/mobile device?
- Chris Aldrich
We're going to buy the 3G. It makes sense to have one that goes on the road.
- Karoli
I'm really annoyed that I pay AT&T $120/mo and not tethering
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, the smaller screens need to control the bigger screens.
- Cliff Gerrish
And I can't hear my phone calls
- Stephen Pickering
Task killer? Now that just reminds me horribly of my days prior to iPhone, aka when I suffered with Windows Mobile.
- Nick Wade
I think it's the other way around, the big screens need to allow the smaller screens in for interaction.
- Chris Aldrich
3G is the fill in network. Filling in the cracks between wifi signals.
- Cliff Gerrish
Karoli: Do it. I messed with a tethered WiFi for a bit, then got a 3G... 3G rulez. Not having to worry about another device is worth it.
- Ken Sheppardson
I got the 3G iPad last week. I haven't activated it yet but I like knowing it's there.
- Mike Doeff
Yeah, but why won't AT&T let me get the 3G off my iPhone for my iPad?
- Stephen Pickering
Berkeley/Oakland, no iPad sighting for me yet
- Da
I can't see paying an extra $30 a month for signal if you already have an iPhone. Spend the 20 seconds it takes to run Spirit on the iPhone, then install MyWi, and voila. Easy WiFi Tethering for your cheaper iPad.
- Otto
But then Apple doesn't make as much Brian if they don't tether you to the iTunes store.... That's the real tethering issue.
- Chris Aldrich
I think we'll see iPad sync via wifi fairly soon. That's what the Lala.com acquisition was about.
- Cliff Gerrish
And now Google has a UI Expert!
- Stephen Pickering
Yep. Just like my Palm Pre. Apple could do it if they wanted to. It's not unique to Android.
- Ken Sheppardson
Seems like Google eats UI experts alive.
- Cliff Gerrish
And open source advocates, and startups...
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian Dear has Androids new slogan: 'A phone that a sysadmin would love...'
- Cliff Gerrish
Kind of like the Hollywood mantra... Porn directors drive old cheap Corollas so they can save money for liquor and drugs.
- Chris Aldrich
Brian makes a good point. The iTunes synch makes the whole iPad experience too complex for novice users.
- Mike Doeff
Buying a computer at Target or Walmart is a different experience
- Da
The problem with that argument is that there aren't 11 fake versions of me on Facebook.
- Chris Aldrich
Yes, but there may be more than one Chris Aldrich
- Stephen Pickering
If you want to be found, yes, you make things public. That shouldn't be his call.
- Ken Sheppardson
Who's call should it be?
- Cliff Gerrish
there are over 10k versions of me on Facebook :) - until you start narrowing in on my nicknames
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
What about the issue Leo has about that Facebook is making a "grab" to control the web?
- Stephen Pickering
Didn't we have this same convo last week? And the week before? And the week before that?
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebook has 500 million co-conspirators in its 'grab' for the web
- Cliff Gerrish
I've argued that you should have two separate pages, one public facing the other totally private
- Stephen Pickering
I'm having trouble understanding how Facebook opening up more is a grab for the web. The more public it is, the easier to scrape & repurpose.
- Ian McGee
sounds like Facebook is trying to make the same change that sites like Geocities tried - the move from hobby/personal to hobby/personal/business
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
But even my flower shop should be able to post up drunken photos and have privacy settings to prevent all of my Mormon customers from seeing them.
- Chris Aldrich
I think Leo is talking about the "Like" implementation
- Stephen Pickering
So what do we do when the bad starts to creep up? When the porn sites, smashers, hackers and unethical users begin to leverage this power and blame it on Facebook?
- Jeff Madlock
calling us dumb isn't really great for getting us to listen. do you think we're not aware they sell data?
- Karoli
Banking and Airlines operate in a very strict regulatory regime. Europe has started that regime.
- Cliff Gerrish
Adding a like button is opt in.
- Cliff Gerrish
I like the "like" button myself but I'm just re iterating Leo's argument. What happens when you like something? Do the users know their data is being collected and funneled through third parties when they "like" something?
- Stephen Pickering
With Facebook and privacy, one can use the cigarette analogy: doing it is bad for you in the long term, but a smoke today feels pretty good. The giving away of privacy today may not have consequences until it kills us 50 years from now.
- Chris Aldrich
Great analogy Chris, I heard someone else make that argument earlier this week. Can't remember who.
- Stephen Pickering
Chris, depending how old you are -- that's not a problem.
- Cliff Gerrish
The "like button" will be an incredible tool for cultural anthropologists at least...
- Chris Aldrich
perpetual beta
- Da
Jay Rosen said Zuck's WP Editorial was "a bunch of crap"
- Stephen Pickering
I love the expectation of public roadmaps now. Can't think of anyone doing it 5-10 years ago, but it's incredibly useful. Little hard to mesh with constant iteration though.
- Ian McGee
I'm starting to feel like a rat who gets a treat for clicking on ads... Who is it that's doing the research on us?
- Chris Aldrich
Yes, but he build his network on privacy and then pulled the rug
- Stephen Pickering
I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Free stuff has a price.
- Karoli
Tungle.me rocks
- Ian McGee
Yes, Karoli, but TV and Radio don't share are data surreptiously
- Stephen Pickering
just be selective with what you put on the internet
- Da
Stephen, TV and Radio made assumptions, reached a small fraction of who they could reach. I like seeing ads that I might be interested in.
- Karoli
Somebody needs to have a long talk with Robert about self-selection. People who don't want their calendars public don't sign up for public calendar services. The fact that those who do make their calendar's public doesn't speak to what "we" want.
- Ken Sheppardson
Now I do agree that Flippy or whatever it is, is silly. No way would I do that.
- Karoli
Oh sure, Karoli, I'm all in favor of the Google model
- Stephen Pickering
Public signaling is playing with masks. It doesn't represent a true state of affairs.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, I heard you laughing Scoble!
- Stephen Pickering
@stevegillmor can you skype me in now? calliflower won't let me rejoin
- Kevin Marks
Kevin, stand by.
- Cliff Gerrish
Anyone else lose audio?
- thestaticfrost
re:Blippy - isn't it interesting that Orwell et al.'s visions are coming true, only it's in the guise of cute/whimsical Web 2.0 names and Facebook games about sheep...
- Alex Schleber
NM, had to reload.
- thestaticfrost
Yahoo is an online media company?
- Da
Fixing culture in a company that big is a huge problem.
- Chris Aldrich
They've got Flickr and Finance. Does anyone use anything else there?
- Stephen Pickering
Delicious.
- Cliff Gerrish
Yahoo news
- Da
I consider Facebook the new AOL
- Karoli
Way too many people are still using their email client...
- Chris Aldrich
no facebook is not the new yahoo
- Wayne Sutton
But far more people spend far more time on Facebook than Yahoo...
- Ian McGee
Yahoo Buzz gets large volumes of traffic too... I'm not sure why though.
- Chris Aldrich
People spend 7hours a month on Facebook, no other site is even close, the problem is they can't monetize it and that's why they haven't gone public and had to take DST's money
- Stephen Pickering
Facebook doesn't have a mobile OS
- Da
BTW, for me UStream is constantly re-caching when I have the browser tab in focus (my connection is plenty fast); works OK as just audio in the background.
- Alex Schleber
Why doesn't Yahoo build a great social network? Did you see that POS they tried a few years back? Build one that's cool and works and does everything FB does
- Stephen Pickering
Will Yahoo buy a location-based platform?
- Wayne Sutton
yahoo answer to get homework answered is great
- Da
Sooner or later the individual user will have the tools to control and maintain their own infrastructure on the web and will link out into the world instead of relying on FB and other social media sites.
- Chris Aldrich
Facebook NewsFeed is getting meatier iwth all the new-media news groups I've been adding to my stream -- TechCrunch, VentureBeat, etc. plus a bunch of affiliation groups. I'm finding more stories there and on Twittertim.es lately..
- Ian McGee
Chris, totally agreed, everyday there are new tools for "average" users to build there own sites with advanced features. Scoble interviewed Buzzr which is a usability layer on top of Drupal
- Stephen Pickering
I was just watching that Buzzr interview just before this started. It's definitely a good start...
- Chris Aldrich
All this talk about user built apps makes me miss hypercard...
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, that kind of thing I believe could disrupt a Facebook in the next 5-10 years, maybe less
- Stephen Pickering
I mean Drupal just rocks, but its so hard, give the average person that kind of power easily, and I feel something new developing
- Stephen Pickering
The central social index gives facebook an advantage over distributed systems.
- Cliff Gerrish
HyperCard is locked in Steve Jobs's basement; thats the trouble with building on one company's code
- Kevin Marks
I love the potential of projects like Webfinger to be one of the enabling strategies for all of this.
- Chris Aldrich
Hypercard turned into javascript and then jquery...
- Cliff Gerrish
The only reason Facebook is important is because we have a dearth of connectivity. When everyone has a fiber connection a totally new peer to peer type of revolution will happen, I believe, decentralized, with the intelligence at the edges of the network
- Stephen Pickering
there is an architectural imperative because of NAT against distributed clients; My hope is that IPv6 will change this again
- Kevin Marks
We will each be our own facebook page, connected to each other with the same or even better features
- Stephen Pickering
I also think FB has removed a lot of the "force" behind someone's desire to build their own page. They're effectively already doing it with FB, so something new has to have real benefits.
- Ian McGee
Ian, it will
- Stephen Pickering
It has to do with easy usability layers on top of real power, just as OSX is a usability layer on top of Unix
- Stephen Pickering
And when that finally appears. we'll all be glad so much of the social graph is open for us to leverage.
- Ian McGee
Just as computing became decentralized, so will social networking
- Stephen Pickering
Ian, Right!
- Stephen Pickering
as time goes on, are non-tech people gonna be reluctant to develop iPhone apps because they have to submit it for approval from Apple?
- Da
Da, Yes
- Stephen Pickering
Great show.
- Mike Doeff
Da, that's already going on. Many developers are taking a close look at Android to replace; just takes more Android units out there to make it clear.
- Ian McGee
And most of all, THANK YOU Steve for always putting these together!
- Chris Aldrich
thanks to all of you. good show. :)
- Karoli
Thanks, Steve and Gang
- Stephen Pickering
Good stuff.
- Ian McGee
Nice show - thanks much everyone!
- Rob La Gesse
Thanks Rob!
- Stephen Pickering
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 11:00AM PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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I wonder if I can view the Gillmor Gang on my iPad today.. I'll see if I can find a way (besides remotely connecting to another computer.
- Kevin Costain
No, not yet. We don't have that set up with Ustream yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Not so much in Safari.. lol - http://twitpic.com/1pql0v
- Kevin Costain
I'm also trying the Ustream iPhone app too, I can't seem to find this channel in the application, maybe that's another thing you have to setup from you're end....
- Kevin Costain
I'm hanging out waiting for the call.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin: yup, one thing to get on the iPhone app is you have to use Ustream's application, not the webpage for streaming. I'm not sure if Gillmor is setup with that yet. Also, you have to broadcast in 4:3 if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Kevin - I think UStream broke the search on their app - I can;t find many shows on the UStream app. It used to work great.
- Rob La Gesse
Hi from Tel Aviv. Can't believe my timing might actually work out.
- Aron Michalski
Yea, Rob and Robert: I installed the Ustream iPhone app, but i can't seem to find the Gillmor Gang by searching.. seems very limited as far as finding shows..
- Kevin Costain
We're not set up with them yet.
- Cliff Gerrish
Froyo has me reassessing my next iPhone purchase. I'm due for an upgrade this June. Contract's up. I love the competition. Hope Google IO will be discussed.
- Rolf Schewe
In time, Cliff, I look forward to it.. having the iPad on the side while I chat.. perfect way to go. Oh, by the way, here's what I get from a search in the Ustream app: http://twitpic.com/1pqmwj
- Kevin Costain
Cliff, let us know, I'm curious to see of it works with the N1 Android version.
- Aron Michalski
It's Gillmor Gang time: http://bit.ly/aG9Sv4 me, @stevegillmor @Scobleizer @jyri and @ajkeen
- Kevin Marks
No lead in music? :(
- Kevin Costain
Music is added in post.
- Cliff Gerrish
You can hum the theme.
- Cliff Gerrish
I could ask someone else to hum it while I play pacman.. haha
- Kevin Costain
We're going to restart after we get Kevin's sound sorted.
- Cliff Gerrish
We should get rid of the banner that says every thursday at 1pm pacific, ya?
- beersage
I like it - it's our goal to be confusing :)
- Rob La Gesse
The banner is right every so once in a while.
- Cliff Gerrish
:) You did make one mistake though. You let Andrew Keen back on ;)
- beersage
Gillmor Gang recording session live now w/ Andrew Keen, Kevin Marks, Scoble and Jyri Engestrom at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
I'm waiting for Comcast (i.e. NBC) and the others to start blocking the Google TV device to prevent access
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Seems like the large screen (3 screens and a cloud) won't use a keyboard or mouse.
- Cliff Gerrish
Ah ha! - Gillmor Gang on an iPad. :) http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Kevin Costain
well, it's android based - so nothing is preventing them from setting up the remote interface on a Android Tablet
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
http://www.flickr.com/photos... - how many buttons?
- Kevin Marks
Nice! Kevin - glad to hear we're iPad compatible
- Cliff Gerrish
android remotes is great for personalization (needed since multiple people using), and the remote wars will undergo a radical shift. Can't wait.
- Ian McGee
Google TV, and the ideas behind it are wayyyy overdue..
- Kevin Costain
Google TV is a good conversation starter. But it hasn't settled anything.
- Cliff Gerrish
The trouble is the separation between the web and TV.. regular people don't understand that.. I don't kno if it will ever really be a seamless thing..
- Kevin Costain
How does Google TV compare to Vudu (owned by Walmart), which is embedding this stuff in pretty much everybody's TV sets other than Sony... LG, Samsung, Toshiba, Sanyo...
- Ken Sheppardson
It's going to continue to be product placement.
- Aron Michalski
Ken: Vudu looks like a custom UI (http://www.vudu.com/product...). like many before them..
- Kevin Costain
Agree with Steve; CEO was a weak way to end the keynote
- Ian McGee
The different (if there is one) seems to be they're embedding the functionallity in the TV sets
- Ken Sheppardson
Television is two-way, brains aren't switched off. See McLuhan.
- Cliff Gerrish
The Google TV demo was hilarious, with all the daytime TV upstaging the presenters
- Kevin Marks
The products have to be part of the content or it will never be seen. Look at some of the FX shows, filled with GM cars, making the GPS part of the plot, etc...
- Aron Michalski
They are all trying to target the non-baby-boomer market that are very used to browsing the web on phones and non-computer interfaces and who are not using the TV for consumption (except for video games)
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
LOL Keven: still waiting to see how Kevin Costner cleans up the oil with Charmin
- Ian McGee
The large screen used to be a television. Now it's the large Network screen - TV absorbed into all screen sizes.
- Cliff Gerrish
Web.TV was a huge hit, right? :)
- Rob La Gesse
Anyone have a link about the Comcast check-in thing?
- Ross Mayfield
are people forgetting that even Jobs has been down this path with the AppleTV? The difference is that unlike the AppleTV, which was very closed and Mac centric, is that GoogleTV is open and uses the web for it's sources
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Scoble's couch has been completely transformed by technology.
- Cliff Gerrish
There are all sorts of things wrong with my AppleTV, and nobody is fixing it
- Ross Mayfield
and flatulence
- Rob La Gesse
what about those people who don't live on a couch?
- Aron Michalski
Can you browse at, at the very least, non flash websites using Apple TV?
- Kevin Costain
only with a hacked AppleTV @kevin
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
This is the thing.. what about taking a real browser (that can be updated) and letting a TV viewer actually use it - and update it as the web change. .I think this is an amazing idea..
- Kevin Costain
The Network is right for the Large Screen via API/App, but the browser is the wrong interaction metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
Cliff: You may be right about the browser - there is little learning curve for a user - but at the same time it's so clunky on a TV.
- Kevin Costain
Does anyone have a link to the Android Web Store? Is that live yet?
- Kevin Costain
looking forward to the time that GG is available on my iPad....for now, i'll have to pick it up on the rerun
- Karoli
@Kevin says he's getting GG on his iPad, see his pic: http://twitpic.com/1pqpvb
- Cliff Gerrish
Sony has an AppleTV, its the PS3
- Ross Mayfield
I use my PS3 to watch Netflix instantly all the time
- Ross Mayfield
Deja Vu, Steve Jobs did it again! http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Eric Schmidt as Bill Gates)
- zxspectrum
Cliff: It's me connected remotely to another computer.. I was joking... :) (choppy, no sound).
- Kevin Costain
@Kevin -- bummer. We'll get there.
- Cliff Gerrish
Is this about multitasking or portability?
- Aron Michalski
Portability enables multi-tasking.
- Cliff Gerrish
Gillmor Gang video feed on an iPad would be amazing..
- Kevin Costain
I want the TV that plays Netflix the best - not YouTube.
- Cliff Gerrish
As in watching the GG while putting your laundry in the drier?
- Aron Michalski
The only way to pull off something similar to Google TV is a computer + TV-in Card..
- Kevin Costain
The baby boomers are retiring. What generation now is coming out of college with extra income to spend. That's also why there was a heavy sports theme in all the demos. They are looking past the current demographic to the post-recession buyers
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Too many applications will kill all this though.
- Kevin Costain
TIVO-like interfaces are so bad there is opportunity. And app marketplace for TV is very interesting.
- Ian McGee
lol: Windows Hate
- Kevin Costain
TV Yawn...
- Paul E. Ester
Google isn't selling phones Scobole! They give a mobile OS for "FREE"!!!
- zxspectrum
Cliff: Not working for me. :(
- Karoli
Google IO: "It always STARTS with TV"
- Kevin Costain
Karoli -- yeah, sorry. Kevin was engaging in some design fiction.
- Cliff Gerrish
Sorry Karoli.. I was connected remotely to another computer.. I wish..
- Kevin Costain
Comcast just has to fix their menu system and search may go away as an issue.
- Cliff Gerrish
this conversation is not complete without loic..
- Paul E. Ester
that's not quite true Cliff - I don't want to page thru a menu. I want to type in the names of shows I know I want to watch and queue them up. That's all I want.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
You probably don't want to type either -- the whole menu / schedule interface is dead, we need something new.
- Cliff Gerrish
When will the content providers allow us to watch content we legally have the right to watch over the web when we leave the country, without downloading onto a drive before we leave?
- Aron Michalski
Aaron: Never :)
- Kevin Costain
Cliff - well I do want to type - because that's the fastest way to get what I want. The only reason menus are on TV's now is because of a lack of view resolution and the linking of the keyboard to the interface.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
keyboard issue may go away if an android or maybe even iPhone can be used as a remote/kbd via Bluetooth
- Alex Schleber
netflix seems to have the video ui down..on my iPad, PC, xbox ..mostly the same experience on all platforms
- Jim Posner
bear: could it be possible a speech search could be mainstream on the TV?
- Kevin Costain
Jim, I agree. I think Netflix is the leader in this space.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin - with what Android offers, speech and typing are both available
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
here's the android as remote control demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Kevin Marks
It sucks with the amount of international travel that I can't watch Hulu or Daily show highlights once I go to work.
- Aron Michalski
I dont' want a bluetooth keyboard on my coffee table, but I don't need one. Android phone now, and later tablet. Phone is often out while watching TV anyway.
- Ian McGee
bear: speech seems clunky and definitely not something that would work in an open living room of people. That tech needs to mature much more to really be useful. Maybe the Android phone will become the mic?
- Kevin Costain
Little screens need to be able to talk to bigger screens. Keyboards and mice are not part of video.
- Cliff Gerrish
Steve, Comcast has major advantages including lessons learned via their participation/leadership in Project Canoe
- Dave Martin
Seems like Comcast is in a position to block Google's TV move.
- Cliff Gerrish
Kevin, agree that speech is cumbersome - but for me the fact that one Android based device can handle voice, text, mouse, whatever opens up the world of TV consumption to sooo many more folks than currently
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Google needs to buy Comcast/NBC
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
bear: oh, I aggree. So much of this will hinge on adoption. But the underlying ideas look amazing. I can see my Grama speaking "House" and getting to watch that show on her TV..:)
- Kevin Costain
Android voice translation is pretty impressive in the proper surroundings; with a TV up loud, it may be problematic.
- Aron Michalski
Kevin - *exactly*
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
VP8 vegetable juice - healthier than the flashy alternatives?
- Kevin Marks
I didn't get to see what my Grama thought of the iPad - I forgot to bring it the last time I saw her.. :(
- Kevin Costain
h.264 is for the devices only because the hardware support for VP8 will be coming in the near future
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
We may still see a patent challenge to VP8.
- Cliff Gerrish
very excited about VP8, I remember when VP6 came out and it blew my mind with its quality.
- David Robit Chen
IE9 will only support VP8 with a codec installed
- Kevin Costain
mufflers...
- Aron Michalski
hahaha.. patents? boring?
- Kevin Costain
it has an API now!
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Wave isn't a stream, it's a document. Thats why it feels wrong as a stream
- Kevin Marks
Wave = Working in small teams. That' s the key. Small
- Kevin Costain
The document metaphor is coming to an end.
- Cliff Gerrish
Wave=collaboration; Buzz=social, location, content.
- Aron Michalski
I embedded Wave on my blog: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2010...
- Kevin Marks
twitter/buzz are broadcast/subscription tools; wave is a collaboration tool for small groups -- it has now discovery and public facing items
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Kevin: Cool and sloooow
- Kevin Costain
I waved goodbye to wave 2 minutes after playing with it. Noisy, messy and irrelevant
- Rob La Gesse
Robert, do you *still* think Google Wave is an abortion?
- Kevin Costain
Wave always felt like cool back-end tech to me -- just needs applications on top.
- Ian McGee
Man, more tinsel for Scoble's nest...
- Aron Michalski
That's what the API will enable - people are going to be able to take the distributed nature of the operational transform that is in Wave and use it to solve new problems that Wiki and other collaborative tools have
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: In fairness, there are no comment stream permalinks in Friedfeed or Buzz either, both of which I've always thought were huge mistakes. The "info atoms" still need to be addressable, always...
- Alex Schleber
Kevin: as Wave exists today it is an abortion. Where it is going tomorrow is very interesting.
- Robert Scoble
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
I enjoy that Buzz has the ability to post/search out of the 2.1 Android Google Maps layer.
- Aron Michalski
yes bear, except that the document format that wave has for the operational transforms to act on is a mess
- Kevin Marks
Permalinks to specific content is fine, but you'd need a way to signal it to other wave users.
- Scott Greiff
the *UI* to Wave has issues - the tech behind it is still amazing and getting better
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Those Apple headsets sound pretty damn good.
- Scott Greiff
Something that jumped out in the Google TV & android demos was the optionally interactive ads.That's huge. Compare to skipping ads on TV now...
- Ian McGee
on my phone, I check in with Google Buzz because Google Map is always on
- Da
I don't use Buzz because it doesn't support Google Apps for Domains.
- Scott Greiff
Wish there was a hook from Buzz to FF... but of course,that would be silly, right?
- Aron Michalski
Apples and bananas?
- Cliff Gerrish
Scott: I can't wait until later this year when more of those apps are supported
- Kevin Costain
says Jyri - the social graph is going to be the basis of most of the revenue on the web over the next 5 years
- Kevin Marks
Android passed iPhone. where will Apple be in the future?
- Da
Good show
- Ian McGee
Thanks guys.
- Aron Michalski
Great show guys..! Bye.
- Kevin Costain
Android passed iPhone in the race to the bottom. Is that a laudable achievement?
- Scott Greiff
Good show, thanks guys.
- Alex Schleber
Good show (as always!)
- Scott Greiff
Apple will continue to make high-end hardware that is consumer "safe". Google (via Android) will make tools that allow the other 80% of the world to do what they want
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
all good
- Ross Mayfield
There would be more viewers, except they're all on a plane to Asia.
- Ian McGee
so apple is BMW, and Google is the rest of the cars out there?
- Da
well, Google is the tech behind the mass market tools that are being built. They don't care if the car has logo X with color Y and sold in market Z -- they want to be the provider of the data and the tools that use the data.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
just checked out Kevin Marks' Wave embed on his blog...goodness is it slow: 2 not even very big Waves took 15+ seconds to load, on a reasonably fast machine with fast connection, in Chrome...
- Alex Schleber
I'd like to see a phone manufacturer take Cyanogen Mod and release a phone with that. That would be a signal that all this "open" stuff Google is shoveling is giving value to some real open initiatives. But how much to do you wanna bet that all this "open" talk by Google is really just to make Google look good?
- Scott Greiff
Thanks guys, it was great to be on the show.
- Jyri Engestrom
Gillmor Gang, Live Recording Session at 1:00PM PT. Participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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who's on today?
- dlature
Steve and some other folks.
- Cliff Gerrish
3rd base
- Jesse Stay
What's on second?
- Cliff Gerrish
haha
- Dale Lature
nobody said "I dont know"
- Dale Lature
Any Hungarian content?
- Aron Michalski
from Android
anybody got skype 5?
- Dale Lature
We will start soon.
- Robert Scoble
I heard Danny Sullivan's voice so far. Not sure who else is on.
- Robert Scoble
It's Gillmor Gang time with @stevegillmor @scobleizer @dannysullivan http://www.building43.com/realtim...
- Kevin Marks
storm coming here...hope I dontlose power or internet
- Dale Lature
live now
- Robert Scoble
Droid Incredibe!
- Da
Gillmor Gang Live now with Mike Arrington, Danny Sullivan, Kevin Marks and Scoble at http://building43.com/realtime
- Cliff Gerrish
if you don't want it online, don't put it online
- Da
Anybody back Diaspora with some cash?
- Alex de Soto
http://www.pledgebank.com/leavefa... has a few hundred signups. Da, people didn't think it *was* online
- Kevin Marks
Managing stream access control is a new primary online skill.
- Cliff Gerrish
I did Alex
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
FB should keep it simple. Did you see this infographic? http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
- Alex de Soto
FB changed of all profile settings and likes into public pages: eg http://bit.ly/bVGdKj
- Kevin Marks
Exactly right it's a big deal
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It's easy to say "so they have my data" but explain that to a person who was sharing very personal lifestyle issues to only private friends and now can be discovered they have an alternative life style by their boss or coworkers - *thats* the pain of the change of default privacy settings.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I hope everyone has read danah boyd's post today: http://www.zephoria.org/thought... - She gets it.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Scoble - but during all of those previous growth phases the user's basic data was still default private. I had to *invite* you into my facebook realm. Now it's default public and that is different
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
my facebook hasn't shared my stuff with yelp. I remember one time there was a page that appeared on my facebook asking if I wanted to share and I clicked no and that i haven't seen FB stuff on my other accounts. If my stuff's being shared, let me know
- Da
"We" don't all know that.
- Ken Sheppardson
Agreed, in previous phases it was default private. It became a trusted to reconnect with family and old friends. It allowed a deep emotional connection to those people become representative of the service. Opening it up is disregarding that. *edit* --> And as we've just seen on #GG, this is clearly a highly emotional issue.
- Nick Wade
"in previous phases" was a 19 year old kid.
- Johnny
Because we trust you Scoble and that's different than exposing to the world. And we are not the same people as average FB Joe or Jane.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jeez, Robert... it's opt-out. The fact that they haven't opted out doesn't mean staying in was an explicit choice.
- Ken Sheppardson
For some reason Scoble is taking the refutation of his sample set as a personal attack
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Nobody "normal" reads TechCrunch... let alone comments on posts there.
- Ken Sheppardson
Robert: Average consumers probably don't know a lot about privacy on the Web and a lot of them are also put off and scared by the chatter.
- Alex de Soto
We're all edgy on this Mike. It's a touchy debate.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
If you understand how gossip works, you understand how linked social graphs work.
- Cliff Gerrish
exactly Cliff- you understand how gossip works after it impacts you or someone you love
- Kevin Marks
Mark - oh for sure - I went off the handle a couple days ago when discussing this with Jesse - it's sooo easy to do when you talk privacy and come from vastly different background assumptions of what privacy means
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
... and with vastly different assumptions about what *other people* think privacy means.
- Ken Sheppardson
Most people I know filter the information before it goes up. If they don't want it known, they don't upload. If they do, they already have their profile locked down.
- Johnny
Kevin, or when you here a particularly juicy piece of gossip. "how did you hear that?"
- Cliff Gerrish
@Mike Exactly - Privacy is not a well defined scope. Each person has a different view on what info is personal and what's OK to share to the world.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Privacy is what other people agree not to pass on.
- Cliff Gerrish
Facebook is Walmart...
- Johnny
No, privacy is not secrecy. It's *your* choices and control of what to share, with whom, when, and in what context.
- Tinfoil 2.0
No, you're involved in the choices and control -- but you have a say.
- Cliff Gerrish
Disagree.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
100,000 / $10 = 10,000 vs 400,000,000
- Johnny
Facebook has reinvented the AOL of the 90's - and i think it will go the way AOL did
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I don't think the AOL comparison is useful.
- Cliff Gerrish
Bear, yes... and will make a tonne of money doing it.
- Johnny
isn't this what they said about myspace?
- Da
Facebook has a much different model than AOL.
- Robert Scoble
It's Facebook vs Google vs Twitter, and Google and Twitter don't seem to have really joined the fight yet.
- Ken Sheppardson
For a lot of people, Facebook IS the web for people. They made it so, not Facebook. The 'web' is large and confusing. Facebook made it simple. People like simple.
- Johnny
Evening all - can we get off the privacy and talk about future of semantic / structured data - has the FB changes meant enough websites will start adopting?
- Nick Halstead
Cliff - why not? AOL was also a closed environment that slowly added on features and also pissed off many of it's original users when they changed. In some ways that is the same thing that FB is doing
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Nick: next week. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Facebook grew up in the age of the web; AOL was pre-historic.
- Cliff Gerrish
10 years from now, Facebook=MySpace=Friendster-Classmates - A new child will rise, they always do if people revolt due to direction (or lack of).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
DId you see @blaine's 'Facebook is my new BoatCar' post? http://bit.ly/at3OB0
- Kevin Marks
what's FB's motto?
- Da
Cliff - it may have grown up in the age of the web but it isn't a peer at all in the realm of the web. It's a view only portal into their data
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Man, I wish I'd thought of the kickstarter angle before the Diaspora guys. Most direct cashing in on a meme I've seen to date.
- Ken Sheppardson
Walmart is trying to take over 'shopping'...
- Johnny
Facebook is moving from a walled garden to putting a permeable membrane in place. That's what all the complaints are about.
- Cliff Gerrish
You don't have to shop at WalMart just because that's where your friends shop. No network effects.
- Tinfoil 2.0
flash = dead - bored now
- Nick Halstead
Cliff - I'll believe that as soon as they put their own *Connect code on their own web site
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Indeed, Exactly. Shop at a local store
- Johnny
What is the name of the book Mike mentioned on the network effect
- TonyatMATC
All the Flash developers I speak to are all thinking about retraining in new technologies - its already happening
- Nick Halstead
But if I tell you I got a cheap deal at Walmart, you might go.
- Johnny
I hope so... if only to push Apple
- Johnny
EVO 4G!
- Da
Verizon provides it out of the box on the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus. I'm sure they'll roll it out on Android
- Ken Sheppardson
I can tether on my iPhone here in Oz...
- Johnny
I think Sprint will allow tethering on the upcoming 4G HTC android phone.
- Alex de Soto
Will the carriers rest Android away from Google?
- Cliff Gerrish
The Google store is gone. Right?
- Alex de Soto
Wave, Google Store, Buzz... big year for Google :-/
- Ken Sheppardson
If Google Android store goes down, then people can get Androids programs somewhere else
- Da
the carriers may make the version 2.* of android they already have the only version they support and just iterate new hardware - much like what happened with WinMobile
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I still haven't found a cell phone that gives the call quality and low latency of a land line. Maybe I'm just imagining things.
- Ken Sheppardson
Google's in beta all the time
- Da
Ken, you're talking about latency like it's a bad thing...
- Cliff Gerrish
Yeah, I guess I'm old school that way.
- Ken Sheppardson
Latency is a bad thing in a phone. Most of cellphone lag is in the codecs.
- Kevin Marks
HP's webOS FTW ;-/
- Ken Sheppardson
The question is whether Android is just a commercial for iOs (iphone/ipad)
- Cliff Gerrish
didn't Android just passed iPhone?
- Da
He threw away voice, 'cause he couldn't get it to work right.
- Ken Sheppardson
Gotta love latency.
- Ken Sheppardson
wishing for G722 audio on these shows
- Jerry Schuman
Salesbook?
- Ken Sheppardson
looking forward to what comes next to the EVO 4G
- Da
Wave is back.. and the thing is getting blazing fast.
- Jerry Schuman
If you didn't log in to Wave this year, be sure to log in next year...
- Cliff Gerrish
Open Standard people work at Mozilla also
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry a crappy interface that runs fast is still a crappy interface.
- Robert Scoble
I agree about the interface issues.. but again.. Wave as a technology platform in the hands of a developer community... the best is still ahead.
- Jerry Schuman
Wave and Buzz API's will allow the devs to finally start showing the possibilities of both tech platforms
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Jerry: smart developers will rip Wave out of that crappy interface. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Any year now.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - it's only been year, not long at all for new tech
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Robert: correct and it's what I said would happen from the initial launch. I hate the email metaphor as much as you..
- Jerry Schuman
I wish the Diaspora guys would spend their $140K on that instead...
- Ken Sheppardson
Facebooks needs a social graph access control visualization -- instead of text based access control, visual controls.
- Cliff Gerrish
I'd be scared if Google reveals my browsing history, on all the the devices I use
- Da
If the Diaspora guys are smart they will research the already present platforms (buzz, wave, ostatus, etc) and implement a common service to consolidate them
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
If the Diaspora guys were really that smart they would have shipped already. Too much talk.
- Robert Scoble
good point Scoble
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Heck, they haven't even *started* yet, Robert. I think they're going to spend most of the summer printing t-shirts and burning CDs to send out to contributors
- Ken Sheppardson
NO give it away now!
- Jerry Schuman
Just give it to me
- Jerry Schuman
Kevin Marks is a negative nelly that needs to take happy pills
- Ken Sheppardson
But Google display ads based on key words and history, that's not aggregating your true personal identity. It's a weaker "guess" to who you are. It's not true 1-to-1 aggregation and sharing.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Ill take it
- carnell washington jr
WHAT (but I don't want one)
- Ben Metcalfe
what
- Nick Halstead
What? (heh)
- Nick Wade
CrunchPad!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
lol
- Nick Halstead
Kevin Marks is a negative nelly that needs to take happy pills
- Ken Sheppardson
Kevin Marks is NOT a negative nelly!
- Ben Metcalfe
kevin mark is a negative something and needs to take happy pills
- Nick Halstead
:P
- Nick Halstead
kevine marks is anegative nelly and he needs to take happy pills
- Jerry Schuman
kevin marks is a negative nelly that needs to take happy pills
- Smashing
lol - hey didnt know I was taking a typing test tonight :)
- Nick Halstead
do they have to spell my name right?
- Kevin Marks
I dont need the ticket :) so dont give it to me!
- Nick Halstead
heh
- Ken Sheppardson
"I still haven't found a cell phone that gives the call quality and low latency of a land line. Maybe I'm just imagining things." - No, you're not. Quality requires bandwidth. That battle was lost before it was fought.
- John Craft
Hey I beat Nick
- Jerry Schuman
Kevin Marks is a negative nellie and needs to take some happy pills.
- Richard
lol richard, were you watch in some kind of timewarp?
- Nick Halstead
give me an excuse to see my 18 year old daughter in NYC
- Jerry Schuman
hah. sorry for saying that so fast. i'll give away 3 - Ken, Nick and Manielse.
- Michael Arrington
two extras for pure comedy. just email me at editor@techcrunch
- Michael Arrington
BAH!
- Jerry Schuman
looks like Nick will be sending his to Jerry
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Mike, just to say the reason I said I didn't want one is that I will not be able to make it over to NY... I'm sure it will be a great conference.
- Ben Metcalfe
Don't waste one on me... I'm flat broke, by product of 3 daughters in college and being a serial entrepreneur. I do wish I could attend though.
- Jerry Schuman
Mike, what what the name of the book you referenced on networking, I could not hear it
- TonyatMATC
where is audio of the previous gillmor gangs? can't find any from shows since 04/22?
- franzstehrn
"What"
- Richard
I am watching GG from Friday on Newgang Live beta:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I am watching GG from Friday on Newgang Live beta:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I am watching GG from Friday on Newgang Live beta:-)
- Francine Hardaway
Trying to figure out the book on the network effect Mike mentioned. Anyone know the name?
- Scott Kingery
Oakland Museum of California (5/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"great place! woo hoo Califas!"
- Da
Sharon's by the Sea (5/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"the Linguini Con Le Vongole- lots of clams, and Pesce Piccata were delicious. fresh bread was too. cozy, get the a table by the window"
- Da
Heron's by the Sea (5/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"the Linguini Con Le Vongole- lots of clams, and Pesce Piccata were delicious. fresh bread was too. cozy, get the a table by the window"
- Da
Sandy's 101 Omelettes (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"great Hawaiian omelette- fried rice, pineapple, Spam, etc. Biscuit was a bit dry. Overall, great place."
- Da
Venticello's Ristorante (5/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"wow, tasty fresh bread! wow, huge yummy shrimps!"
- Da
Chicken Express (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"This place gives El Pollo Loco a run for their money. Mashed potatoes and gravy at a Mexican chicken place? well, that's different."
- Da
Boreal Mountain Resort (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"If you're a parent wanting to get your kid into skiing, this is a good place to start out, a family-friendly place. Your kid can be out on the slopes, while you sit back at the lodge with wifi. A…"
- Da
Jack London State Park (5/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"Check out the buildings and grounds, lots of information about Jack London's farming ideas put to test. If you're feeling like stretching your legs, take a walk to the lake and the wooded hills…"
- Da
Facebook iPhone Developer Quits Project Over Apple Tyranny - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
his opposition to Apple’s ridiculous App Store approval policies
- Da
Memories of Loma Prieta- in your own words UCSC - http://quake89.ucsc.edu/
stories of that fateful day, in your own words. Many of you were UCSC students at the time.
- Da
7th Annual NORTH BERKELEY SPICE OF LIFE FESTIVAL 10/4/09 - http://www.gourmetghetto.org/
10/4/09 10a-6p - Shattuck Ave. from Rose to Virginia St. 5-block long food/art fair celebrates the spice of life with cooking demos and samples by local chefs, gourmet food, beer and wine, a farmers market, artist exhibitions, yoga and bodywork demonstrations, and lots of kids activities.
- Da
ghost fleet of the recession east of Singapore, Close to 500. An armada of freighters with no cargo, no crew - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home...
ghost fleet of the recession anchored just east of Singapore, Close to 500. An armada of freighters with no cargo, no crew. last year, an Aframax tanker capable of carrying 80,000 tons of cargo would cost £31,000 a day ($50,000). Now it is about £3,400 ($5,500)
- Da
Frisbie Street Art Still (in) Motion. 9/25-27/09. Frisbie Street alternative art space, Oakland - http://frisbiest.com/blog...
Still (in) Motion group exhibition of photography by women exploring stillness and motion through the camera lens. 9/25-27/09 Frisbie Street alternative art space. 204 Frisbie Oakland
- Da
free concert. Colbie Caillat, Train, etc. 9/27/09 San Francisco - http://www.radioalice.com/pages...
free concert. Colbie Caillat, Train, Howie Day, Dashboard Confessional. Radio Alice's Now & Zen Festival, Sunday 9/27/09 Sharon Meadow Golden Gate Park San Francisco 12:10p-4:15p
- Da
I'm never mentioning a brand-name again. Holy weird-ass when Tro pic ana, Thi nk Ge ek and Co ff ee Ma te have twitter accounts and reply.
hi la rious!
- Da
S60, Jail, Cloud - http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_...
S60- closed source but anyone can develop programs for it and does not depend on Nokia to allow or certify anything. Jail- iPhone, no multitasking and Apple is pretty opinionated on what should run on the iPhone and what not. Cloud- Android shares private data w/ Google servers in cloud
- Da
LEAKED: New iPhone Commercial - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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friggin' hilarious, yo!
- Da
Health Insurers Have Already Won, shaped health-care reform for their own benefit - http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...
How UnitedHealth and rival carriers, maneuvering behind the scenes in Washington, shaped health-care reform for their own benefit
- Da
Congrats to http://news.cnet.com/ on the big Cialis banner ad buy http://yfrog.com/0tficp
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They must be desperate, from their gadget blog a condom ad: http://news.cnet.com/crave/ Keep it classy cnet.
- Greg Byrne
hey, it's the right demographics
- Da
People who don't like my green avatar are not nice. That said I will change it soon.
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SCOBLE. SMASH!
- Jesse Stay
Scoble has become the Hulk | Saw this for the first time :-)
- Palin Ningthoujam
Hey, whatever it took to get your battery fixed :-)
- Todd Hoff
Looking at it all day only then realised its Scoble as the Hulk
- Nick Stone
Nooooo!!!. It just needs some more color.Like red horns or something ;-)
- Tapio Kulmala
I vote it stays for at least a month.
- Thomas Hawk
i don't mind with green, but the face looks scarry :-)
- Eris Ristemena
It's not easy being green.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I just thought that was a photo after all of the tequila!
- Lou Paglia
I say keep it. Most avatars are very drab. Not yours.
- Daniel Buckley
Keep this avatar. It looks cool. It looks like you had one too many glasses of green beer and then got pissed off after being irradiated at the hospital.
- imabonehead
Looks fine to me
- LPH™ and his dog P™
After listening to the Gillmur (sp) Gang, I am shocked he literally didn't turn into the Hulk and smash Mike Arrington. :P
- Mol, FF Music Lover
Don't make Scoble mad. You wouldn't like him when he's mad.
- Aaron Tinling
@thomashawk WOULD like it because he made it. Personally I love it.
- Robert Scoble
Okay, I'm starting to get it. Real time is FUN!
- Aaron Tinling
Aaron: it is even more fun in bed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
I like it! It's funny!
- anna sauce
Robert: twss
- Chris Charabaruk
I love it
- Loic Le Meur
I'm with Loic - think it's perfect.
- alexia tsotsis
Green logo looks scary! Can't show it to my kid :)
- Krishna
liked for the green avatar. ;)
- Thomas Hawk
Yes... please change it... it's ugly
- François Lamontagne
Nice or not, all I know is I liked the smiling and friendly Scoble. Beside, this shade of green hurt my eyes. :)
- Moushumi Kabir
I like it too. (but that's only because my mother always told me to be polite to people you don't really know)
- Ton Zijp
I don't understand why people are having issues with your avatar. I mean, really? Get over it. It's you. It's green. Move on, people!
- Lise
Liked "The Green" Nuclear even ...the rest is skerry...vewwwy skeewwy
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The Green Av Rocks! Incredible Hulk Look!
- JimmyJet
If I had the time I would make a pink one - same pic, just pink.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
There are people who don't like it? They must be very strange people... :)
- Grant Bierman
Please don't change it
- Mo Kargas
Do change it
- John Samuel
I have been struggling with its meaning for days. It gives me agita.
- Martha
Leave it, it has that 70's hulk feel to it...and most of us who geekily remember that 70's version get the meaning anyway.
- George Hall (Australia)
+1 George Hall
- chaz2b
Robert: That avatar image is how I picture you looking, each time someone on Twitter accuses you of making "too much noise." Don't blame Scoble for the noise - blame Twitter's lame interface and lack of filters!! :-)
- Jim Connolly
Why does anyone care about the effing avatar?!? I don't get it, it's the content that's interesting. Avatars are only meaningful to the person behind anyway.
- Johan Mellberg
from twhirl
dont change your avtar. it looks me really good.
- shahid
keep it, you're the hulk of sending web traffic ;)
- Stuart Evans
from twhirl
They're green with envy (sorry bad joke I know.)
- Richard A.
Hulky!
- Kelly W.
NO, It's cool green! - A good color to be.
- d. johnson
I can't stand it - where's the smiling guy pointing over my shoulder?
- James Hull
It is not very appealing.
- Walinmichi
Mr. Scoble, how come your "What I hate about real-time web " post in Scobleizer doesn't show up in my Google Reader feed of your FF? http://tinyurl.com/cjacz2
- Da
They're just jealous of your superpowers.
- Kirsti Scott
You should keep it. It is really funny and easy to understand.
- Alp
nothing wrong with that avatar. however, if (avatarColor()==#01C501){ hidePost(); }. j/k
- AJ Batac :)
Facebook is lucky it missed buying Twitter and now should eat Yelp - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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"Christopher Coulter: I guess in your world it’s OK to take advantage of people who put their hand out and then stab them in the back over and over. I’d rather live in my little world."
- Robert Scoble
Seeing that yelp is best known for restaurant reviews that's a nice pun Robert.
- Mark Powell
Yelp shouldn't fizzle out based on review for money kind of setting. That is not an ideal stuff. If there is any review out of this, then the review becomes very questionable. And the genuine visitors just won't be interested anymore. Note: All the negative reviews which yelp refused to take down, made yelp interesting.
- Jayavasanthan J
"this thread is useless without videos"
- Da
Is California setup for a brain drain? - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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Doubtful - I just moved here from Australia - and it seems like a LOT of people do that from around the world. And I have a brain :)
- Chris Saad
I doubt it ... I'm considering moving there shortly and I'm sure that will make all the difference to the state as a whole ;)
- Nick O'Neill
Chris: you moved here before the economy tanked, though, and before California laid off a bunch of teachers. You also don't have a family and aren't yet raising one. If you did, Texas Governor's offer would be much more attractive.
- Robert Scoble
Nick: there are a few bright spots in our economy. Facebook is one of them. I totally understand why you'd move here since you're in the Facebook eco system and want to study it. But there are thousands of others who are laid off here.
- Robert Scoble
I do not think in the short term but the ridiculous % of your income that you have to spend in housing will probably push more people to move somewhere else.
- Eduardo
Texas education isn't much better, frankly because the education is so lousy in CA and Texas it drags us all down as they control what text books are printed. Look North if you want good education for your kids
- Clarence Westberg
This is interesting. A decade ago when I was in India, there the talk was all about brain drain to US, now the talk is all about reverse brain drain from US to India, brain drain from Calif to other states. Though I have to agree for parents with Kids and living in bad school districts, California is a harsh place.
- Kiran Patchigolla
Robert: I think you are right in that there are bright spots but that's the case everywhere you look. Here in DC I know people that are getting laid off even though the city will fare better than probably anywhere else in the country.At any given moment you can look for negative signs and positive signs. Right now in time it's extremely easy to find negative anywhere you look. I also don't know the finite details of California's political landscape and the state's crime issues.
- Nick O'Neill
I pulled my daughter form the Calif. Public school. She now attends online. (suprisingly, this IS still part of the public school system) http://www.k12.com/
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I doubt it. Being in California for more than 8 years, I haven't seen a single person among coworkers, who has graduated in California (correction: my boss graduated in LA about 10 years ago and then moved back to Hong Kong). All IT people I knew were from India, China, Russia or other states.
- Pavel Senko
The people that are laid off will become a much bigger issue months from now though as their unemployment dries up and they're still looking for jobs which is a tad bit frightening.
- Nick O'Neill
Pavel: yeah, but workers who came here from overseas are moving back in droves once their H1B Visas end due to layoffs. I wonder if they'll be back.
- Robert Scoble
Entrepreneurship is California's durable economic engine, fed by local academic machines and the continuous flow of top minds from around the world...that and the lure of riches. Ebb and flow...The best remain while the weaker flee...or their H1B runs out. Makes room for another cycle...
- Ronald Goedendorp
It's about quality of life. I moved to Kansas from Silicon Valley and I did it to be around family, buy a house, and have a slower pace. Within this slower pace I've found more time to cultivate my brain. Robert you wrote a great article and it brought back memories of 2001 when I was out of work and looking in the Valley. I say head to Texas, I've heard good things about their economy!! Plus with FF you can be everywhere :))
- Anne Haynes
I'm a little rusty on Texas tech startups. Who are the big ones?
- James C Kim
@James I'm not sure about the "big ones", but there is some info for you. http://www.texasstartupblog.com/
- Anne Haynes
I actually wanted to live in California all my life, bought the house, and now realize I probably won't stay there. Very expensive to live in California, and the advantages seem to be going away If the education system sucks, trust me the best and brightest won't stay there. They don't live in AZ for exactly that reason. But Texas has some big problems, too.
- Francine Hardaway
Over the years, there have been waves of people leaving California, but the area still has done well to reinvigorate itself during this time. The network effect has remained strong attracting investment and talent. However, as the practicalities of technology and business change over the coming years, who knows if this past trend will continue. I say go to where the other people are that you want to be around.
- Loren Heiny
If you're interested in Green Tech there's no way you'd move to Texas.
- Beau Giles
Loren: I'm finding that the people I want to be around are very disperse now, not concentrated into any area the way they used to be. One of the smartest database architects lives in Barcelona. One of the smartest developers on Wordpress lives in Cork, Ireland. The best supply chain manager, Shenzhen, China. Tons of interesting geeks/enterpreneurs are in Tel Aviv, Israel, etc etc etc.
- Robert Scoble
Beau: I'm interested in all tech, but saw a ton of green tech in Israel. I'm not leaving California, though. Too attached to this place.
- Robert Scoble
I'm a tech worker. I love Austin. I came here in 1989 for school and pretty much stayed. That being said, I wouldn't live in any other city in the state and our education system is a nightmare. The State Board of Ed. is lead by a creationist dentist who wants to do away with science and supplant it with religion/philosophy. PZ Myers has more with links to the TFN http://bit.ly/2mibpU
- Tim Trentham
Austin is a cool town, if only it would move closer to the water...
- Bill Pennington
from twhirl
There will soon be an "everything" drain in CA if the state economy continues on its current path. Unless, by some wild quirk of fate, a bunch of hard core fiscal conservatives get elected to State offices, I don't see that turning around soon.
- Robert Hafer
Greg: first off, you gotta go there sometime other than July or August and you need to see all the cool startups in San Antonio, like I did last year. The 8088 chip and wifi were invented in San Antonio. So, unless those rednecks are also engineers that proves you wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I want to make a silly joke related to the title, but stopped myself early :-)
- Richard A.
I don't think California will have a "brain drain," as there will always be people who will want to move here for other reasons—the culture, creativity, opportunities, liberal politics, beautiful scenery, green values and tech, etc. (I'm partial to northern CA as opposed to southern CA.) However, various niches of the tech industry are certainly growing in other parts of the U.S. and the world, so it may not be as centered in SV as it once was, although SV will probably remain in the vanguard. My two cents.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
California’s got a lot going for it- weather, demographic and geographic diversity, within the state- global cities within megapolitans: San Francisco in NorCal, and Los Angeles in the Southland, long history of engagement with the emerging superpower, China. Opportunities in the turmoil
- Da
"For the fourth year in a row, more residents left the Golden State than moved here from other states" http://www.latimes.com/news...
- RAPatton
Lost Coast Brewery Team Training Camp, Day 4 - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LZxF3L...
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