It is so much more effective with the clips... Wouldn't it be great if they allowed multimedia in the debates? - Clare Dibble
This is how every debatable issue should be remixed. Without memory, and thankfully we have written media and "now" internet to help us out in this domain, humans would be reduced to ad swallowing, nay-saying consumers with an attention span of an earthworm. - Nenad Nikolic
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This shows how McCain was wrong, but doesn't show how Obama is right. The same thing could be done that shows how Obama was wrong about the surge and the connections between Iraq and Afghanistan. This is just as useless as any other debate fallacy, because it's completely one sided. Except it does it with multimedia. To that end, stop patting yourselves on the back. You look stupid. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark: Everyone makes mistakes, but McCain refuses to acknowledge his mistakes. He has bought so much of his own "maverick" PR that he lives in his own fantasy world, where everything can be referenced to war and where its OK for an air-head like Sarah Palin to be one step away from leading our nation. McCain is dangerous and he simply should not be allowed to assume the leadership of this country by repeating one lie or half-truth after another. - Rob McNair-Huff
Republicans always do that. When you say their guy fucked up, they accuse your guy of doing the same thing. It's totally predictable. They must teach it in the first day of Republican Orientation. - Dave Hussein Winer
As does Obama. Has he yet said he was wrong about the surge? The same things can all be said about Obama, and a simple YouTube video could prove that, too, but my guess it'd be called "swiftboating," which is apparently the defense you use when you're a Democrat and a video shows your candidate in a bad light. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark: Because the surge was a bandaid that didn't get us much closer to getting out. Obama has said the surge has succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. It doesn't mean the surge was the right thing to do. The bailout might be successful in many ways, but it still doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. - AJ Kohn
@Mark - okay...why don't you make a video then instead of huffing and puffing? If you only 'talk the talk' but can't 'walk the walk', well, then, I'm afraid you are the one who looks stupid. - Steve
mark...of course obama said he was wrong. he said, 'the surge exceeded beyond my expectations.' remember mccain said that like 4 times during the debate and obama said, 'yep, i said it.' - Faboo Mama
dave, the thing is that most of us have been raised knowing that two wrongs don't a make a right. many hardcore GOP partisans clearly weren't. - Faboo Mama
Note that the surge, as successful as it's been, has still not won us the war. - Victor Ganata
Believe it or not, I'd be willing to vote Republican if they just ran better candidates. In this case the ticket is not only not strong (McCain), it is extremely weak (Palin), and they are running against a competent and smart ticket in Obama/Biden. But what frustrates me is Republicans who keep defending a weak ticket simply because of party affiliation. Republicans *should* be pissed as hell right now; but rather than lashing out at their opponents, they should fix the problem with their own candidates. - DeWitt Clinton
I agree DeWitt. Ironically, I would have considered McCain in 2000, but this isn't the same guy. I thought Kerry was weak too. Leagues better than Bush, but still weak. But Obama? The first time I have been excited... maybe ever. :) - Dion Almaer
DeWitt, totally agree. I have voted Republican, but always in lesser-of-two-evils mode. Obama is the first Presidential vote that I make in my life without such a reservation. - Dave Hussein Winer
@Steve: re-read my original comment and try that accusation again. I said "his is just as useless as any other debate fallacy, because it's completely one sided." Look, it's not like I ask you folks to read an entire Federalist paper or something long and complicated. Just a couple sentences to read before you try to argue with me. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@faboo: Saying it succeeded beyond his wildest expectations and admitting he was wrong are not the same thing. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@AJ: If you don't understand why the surge was the right thing to do (and should have been done from the beginning, as McCain wanted), then your understanding of foreign policy and conflict strategy is far too limited to participate in this debate. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark: *chuckle* So are you going to explain why the surge was the right thing to do or simply insult me? I mean ... really, this is your debate tactic? Also, that's not even the argument! You've missed it entirely. The argument was about not admitting error as a proxy to one-sided political dialog - of which I provided a cogent answer and analogy. You chose to argue the point of the actual surge instead. That's another topic. - AJ Kohn
Defenders of the Iraq War are unable to explain why it has made sense for Americans to dump several trillions of dollars down the drain in Iraq with the effect of installing a Muslim fundamentalist regime in that nation that is closely allied with Iran. This is the stupidest foreign policy blunder in American history. The "surge" is neither here nor there in making this disaster go away. We've already lost this war and cannot possibly turn it into a "victory." That money is gone, and Iran's power has greatly expanded. McCain doesn't even get close to discussing these STRATEGIC issues revolving around long-range American interests. - Sean McBride
The surge is a tactic, not a strategy, no matter what McCain says. And while it has decreased violence, that doesn't mean we've succeeded. We're still no closer to winning the war. If we can't withdraw those troops without the whole place caving in, then ultimately we've failed. - Victor Ganata
Victor -- McCain has made it clear that he doesn't understand the distinctions between tactics and strategy. - Sean McBride
Could everyone please make an effort to stay respectful and kind? When that doesn't happen people start calling for an end to all political discussion, which would be bad. When that happens the mainstream media get to frame every issue. - Bruce Lewis
@Victor: I've gone ahead and set your comments to hidden from here on out, since you can't be bothered to look up the difference between strategy and tactic. @AJ: My prior statement stands. Again, I'm tired of folks who don't understand their world speaking as if they were experts on everything. Maybe i'll see you both in November when I unblock everyone. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Mark: (If you see this) I'm sorry you don't wish to have a real debate. Done appropriately, it is the way we gain better understanding of topics and of each other. I'll take up the strategy v tactic though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... Now, in my mind the surge (adding more troops on the ground) was a means to an end (pacifying insurgents/security) to achieve the objective (Iraqi autonomy). Perhaps you see it differently? - AJ Kohn
I've been involved in several discussions and "debates" with Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins now in which he has made statements which are factually false, and then quickly retreated when the factual errors were pointed out to him. He is aligned with a group of neoconservatives and religious fundamentalists in the room Conservative Oasis in which this kind of behavior is the norm -- they can't defend their ideas in fair, open and democratic debate. They always retreat after two or three exchanges. - Sean McBride
You can never get promoters of the "surge" to talk about the costs and benefits of the Iraq War policy as a whole -- their minds go into lockdown mode the instant the issue is raised. They are unable to think strategically. Bush 43 and the neocons are spending trillions of dollars to secure Iran's control over Iraq. Massive fail. They have essentially wasted American resources and lives to promote Muslim fundamentalism in the Middle East. - Sean McBride
Mark - I'm with just about everyone else here. I need facts, or at least some modicum of explanation as to your logic, rather than repeated sound bites. In that regard, please hide all of my comments as well. No need to unblock in November, but I will leave that up to you. - JodyUnwired
If you can't effectively defend your beliefs in fair and open debate, and subject them to fact checking, reality checking and rigorous logical analysis, there is a good possibility that your beliefs are wrong. Fair and open debate is the heart and soul of any healthy and functioning democracy. True believers who can't handle debates usually are strongly attracted to authoritarian and totalitarian political systems. - Sean McBride
"Debate" by blocking: Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins, Jay Tannenbaum, Akiva Moskovitz, Soulhuntre, Mark Tefft -- sorry if I left anyone out. One issue seems to unite them: an emotional commitment to neoconservative military aggression in the Mideast. They stand to the right of even the Bush 43 administration. Neoconservatism is more a religious cult than a rational political philosophy. - Sean McBride
I try not to box people into labels. I can only say that, in this instance, Mark chose to insult and then not engage in debate. I'm sure it's difficult for many conservatives on FF who get called names by other 'left' leaning folks. I make an effort not to do that. I would think it would be a nice change to find true debate instead. So, running away from it seems odd. - AJ Kohn
I've seen Hopkins do this three or four times now, and his political allies in Conservative Oasis do the same thing many times as well, so I have drawn the logical and reasonable conclusion -- they hold emotional beliefs that they can't defend against exercises in reality-checking. This is the same political group that promised us that the Iraq War would be a cakewalk and cost Americans next to nothing. Americans have a moral obligation to challenge this destructive nonsense. It's a matter of self-preservation at this point. - Sean McBride
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins is a *self-admitted* shit-stirrer (see http://rizzn.com/blog/2008/07/...) with a pathological habit of saying stupid things he can't defend. Take a block from him as a high compliment. - Karim
Being a contrarian is fine, but you've got to be a smart contrarian. If you keep losing chess games after three or four moves, and then out of frustration send the chess pieces flying and refuse to play any more games, you aren't much of a player, contrarian or otherwise. - Sean McBride
via Cordobo: via factoryjoe: "The workplace, more and more, is changing, and with this change comes a whole new set of rules." - Daniel Hartmann
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Wenn die Ahnung hätten was für ein Kindergarten diese jammernden Entwickler sind, dann könnten die den Ernst der Lage vielleicht richtig einschätzen ;) Niemand der sich davor mal etwas schlau gemacht hat wie das im mobile Bereich läuft, würde sich bei dem Ablauf beschweren... - Daniel Hartmann
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So soll das doch sein *freu*. Offene Produkte unterstützen. Das kann für die Szene sehr wichtig sein, wenn ein Sender wie der NDR solche Signale setzt :)) .. - Morgenland
An overview. Not perfect but better than nothing... e.g. Android is partly GPL (kernel and device drivers) and partly Apache V2 (userland), very important for success in my opinion. - Daniel Hartmann
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APC: Finally, what's the most common misconception about Android?
DM: I think the most common misconception about Android is that Google has some grand master plan for what we're going to try and do. I'll see things like — and this still keeps coming up, even though we've never, ever at any time said this — "Google is going to produce Android and give it to mobile operators in exchange for ads on phones". That's completely not true and we've never said that. In fact, the Android engineering team is completely separate from all the rest of the engineering teams. Of course the ad team is aware of Android and is perfectly free to build some kind of a solution for Android, but it's certainly not part of our strategy per se for Android. - Daniel Hartmann
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Andy Lees (WiMo mobile strategy):
"The Safari browser on the Phone, the Android browser, they're all based on WebKit and that's only a subset of what's in Internet Explorer 6."
Glaubt er das? :D
"Moore's law accelerates faster on phones than on PCs."
Nur leider gilt das nur nicht für die Batterien... - have fun MS ;) - Daniel Hartmann
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Das ist doch das eigentlich interessante daran: "We could see 30% to 40% price cuts in the industry, [possibly led by Sprint]." - Daniel Hartmann
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Das offizielle Veröffentlichungsdatum von Firefox 3 ist der 17. Juni, 2008. Treten Sie unserer Community und der Initiative bei, indem Sie noch heute ein Download-Versprechen abgeben. - Frank Hamm
Weil schneller, besser, weiter :-D ... vielleicht sollte ich Flock tatsächlich nochmal eine Chance geben, evtl. unterstützt er jetzt die ganzen addons ;-) - Frank Hamm
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Nokia die seit 3 Jahren an Maemo rumwerkeln, Qtopia im Portfolio haben und ansonsten noch S40, S60 (was vergessen?) am laufen haben erklären also wie das so richtig funktioniert mit der Fragmentierung, Open Source und so. Nokia kommt mir immer alberner vor... - Daniel Hartmann
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