"The latest version of Tweetdeck supports LinkedIn, the new Retweet feature (with the ability to still edit if you want), list integration, and more. I downloaded it today, and it's working well for me."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Here's something from the comments on this same note over at Facebook, from a friend named Jennifer Mitchell. Some of you in the conversation here cannot or are not participating in the conversation over there. Jennifer says: I do wonder if it could be that those who feel it's “pretentious and self-aggrandizing” might be taking it a little too seriously. This is FaceBook, after all, where we post funny videos, links, play farming and mafia games, and share things with "friends". Just because we sprinkle some work in doesn't mean it's not entertainment! It's fun to come across something you posted earlier that day and click like because you liked how you felt when you sent that message or you are proud of something. You keep liking your stuff Daniel, those who know you will not think you are being pretentious- you're too humble for that. :)"
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"I can see what you're saying, Patrick. It's important to be careful about how much and often the same bit of information is shared. I think the desire is to make sure information hits as many touchpoints as possible for people who may potentially be interested in it. I've heard it said that people need to hear or see a message about 7 times before they act upon it. Content creators passionate about their content want to use social networking to share it with as many as possible who are interested across multiple channels. We saw this happening months ago with folks aggregating all their content through Friendfeed. The same message was being crossposted from Utterz, now Utterli, to Twitter, to Facebook, and to a blog, and it all was aggregated into a Friendfeed. It became too much. I used to crosspost all my tweets to Facebook and, after getting some complaints from my Facebook friends on how often I'd been posting, I shut that connection off. This discussion here on the blog, as well..."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"I'm just trying to learn here, about myself and those who follow what I'm saying. You say I'm spamming my Twitterstream; I posted it maybe three times yesterday at different times, because I wanted to get others' opinions. If you think what I'm putting out is spam, you can always click unfollow. I'd rather not be a harassment to you, Patrick."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"I guess it depends on how you define success, Lauren. It's obvious to me that this is a subject that has many people emotionally charged up. I've never claimed to be an expert or guru; I'm still learning about this as I go. I haven't made my comments derogatory or made personal attacks on individuals."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"It's been interesting to watch the comments over here at the blog, versus those at Facebook. Most who have commented over here disagree, and yet we're probably not connected over there, so you haven't seen what I've posted. Almost a third over on Facebook agree with me. I wonder what that says. Let's keep the conversation going."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Thanks for checking in, Jen! Your various responses were thoughtful. I agree- this question is one if the hardest ones to answer."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Thanks for checking in, Jen! Your various responses were thoughtful. I agree- this question is one if the hardest ones to answer."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Hey, Rainie! Thanks for commenting. It was a great question, and, like you said, it really forces a job seeker to have done research about the company and know why he or she is a great candidate."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Hey! Thanks for mentioning the group again. Hopefully the sound will be great with the portable, wireless speakers. Amazing how much we've changed over this past year..."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Thanks for giving us permission to play your song. It definitely had that "Future Retrospect" feel and was a fantastic way to start off the program."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
Q2: November 6, 2009 - Competition. There's TONS of it out there now. How transparent and open should you be with your communities about your search, companies you're contacting, etc. - without feeling like you've tipped others in the process.
I know the 'social' world preaches us differently, but being honest - we still have to watch out for ourselves and what we do, who we confide in and trust, etc.
- Sonny Gill
This is a really good question, because it goes to the idea of whether we're colleagues or competitors.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
Ah, tricky question. I think you have to be really careful what information you disclose about companies you're in contact with, etc., but telling people about your search...that's not a bad thing.
- Teresa Basich
I have several people who used to work for me looking for jobs. Sometimes they apply for the same job. We have very open conversations about it. I think it's good to know who you're potentially competing with.
- Rachel Makool
@Rachel - it may be good to know, but my thought is if I don't say anything, there's a chance they won't know and there will be less competition.
- Sonny Gill
I had someone in my network as for LinkedIn introduction to a hiring manager in regards to a job we both were applying for. It was awkward.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
@Daniel - how did you respond? Did you write it?
- Sonny Gill
Agree with Teresa. Let people know what you're looking for, not who you are looking at.
- Chuck Hemann
Yeah, the specific companies you are targeting can be a sticky situation. I met someone once at a networking event that had interviewed for the same exact position I had just interviewed for and it was a little awkward. Still friendly, but awkward.
- Joe Kikta
@Sonny, I feel the same way you do. I'd rather not open up that discussion with others. It's too in-depth.
- Teresa Basich
I've personally had 2 close friends in the SM world get positions for jobs I was after as well. Tough going and how the market is, but they were more high profile and pretty much everyone knew about the openings. The feeling is all the same though.
- Sonny Gill
Sorry. Meant to type ASK. I told him I didn't think it was a good idea and why. It turned out neither of us got the job. I was hoping one of us would get it, though.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
@sonny That's true in some cases but currently there aren't many roles so there's a good chance that one of your friends or acquaintances knows about the job and will apply. Just this week, a job popped up in the Bay Area and three of my former team members are interested.
- Rachel Makool
Chuck, you said it perfectly. No need to disclose that information to make headway in your search and networking.
- Teresa Basich
@Rachel - that's the monster that is today's job market! It's scary and why we have to sometimes be more strategic in how we communicate with our communities and what's divulged.
- Sonny Gill
I'm in a fairly small city in so most people just assume that I've applied for anything with the words community, social or marketing in it!! Not much choice in my level of transparency!
- Tanya McGinnity
As is the nature of the beast a large of percentage of the jobs are also on the west coast so there are less opportunities elsewhere.
- Sue
@Sue - Indeed. It's all relative to where you're at personally in life. Geographically, how flexible you are, who you're taking care and where you can go.
- Sonny Gill
Q1: November 6, 2009 - We've seen the job search evolve greatly given new technologies and networks that we have access to today. How can communities help out CMs (and the like) get back on their feet?
In my instance I've had an incredible outpouring of people in the local tech community get in touch with me for jobs/companies that they see me fitting with.
- Tanya McGinnity
@Sue - to help spread the word of your interest, who ppl may know and connect you with?
- Sonny Gill
Sue does an incredible job in sharing and spreading the word... Kudos
- Tanya McGinnity
Create awareness. Talk to your community about other CMs you know in need.
- Teresa Basich
@Tanya - definitely. I've experienced the same in my job search and it's amazing how much people WANT to help.
- Sonny Gill
Also, reach out to people about what they're looking for. If you know someone is looking, talk specifics with them. Make connections.
- Teresa Basich
@Tanya I agree Sue is amazing. I think it is all about sharing and networking
- lizGreaux
@sonny yes. I see come across jobs in the weirdest of places and always try and forward the details along. Many of them have different titles so they are not always labeled as "Community Managers"
- Sue
I was thinking a bit about how community members are the best references for community managers in many ways.
- Tanya McGinnity
Thank you Tanya and Sue. I think we are in a tough job with little contact with other CM's. So we need to look out for each other and encourage each other.
- Sue
CM's can't be everywhere, though I'm sure they'd like to be. Have to rely on the community to make them aware of opportunities out there for them.
- Chuck Hemann
@Teresa - I'm glad you noted that, T. Many say 'yes I'll help', but only few get down to the nitty gritty and get to know the person and what they wan.t
- Sonny Gill
@Chuck, so true. There are opportunities out there but it's hard to keep tabs.
- Teresa Basich
Thinking more strategically - should these CM job seekers be open to accepting opportunities within their realm but not FT/paid? To continue their experience while searching for IT.
- Sonny Gill
Being part of a Community/Social Media network of practioners is incredibly helpful.
- Rachel Makool
@Sonny, Most people want to help but don't know how. To figure out how to help, you have to ask questions and narrow options down. Creates more opportunities for connection.
- Teresa Basich
re: your question Sonny...that probably depends largely on a person's professional experience. Lots of experience and folks are probably less likely to accept something like that. Lesser experienced folks, probably would.
- Chuck Hemann
Great question, Sonny. I think you have to be really careful about those opportunities -- choose wisely, because often you can find your time being driven by volunteer, unpaid opps.
- Teresa Basich
not unlike what happens with traditional PR students...many, especially now, are taking paid (and even unpaid) internships in order to keep gaining experience
- Chuck Hemann
@Tanya. I believe Connie Bensen has got a job board now, and I try and post all the jobs I see on my discussion board. If no one minds here is the link: http://ocmforum.com/forum...
- Sue
The problem is, if you've been out of work for an extended period of time, people will want to see your filling your time with various opportunities, not JUST job searching.
- Teresa Basich
I'm seeing more Community & Social Media managers positions pop up but not many Director or VP roles.
- Rachel Makool
Teresa/Chuck - I hear ya. That's a scary part of what's going on in this job market that some people are somewhat 'forced' to take these other opps just to fill their resume, build their experience, but in a smaller role.
- Sonny Gill
I'm seeing more community manager internships now too
- Sue
@Sonny, that's been one of the hardest things for me, juggling projects to gain more experience while managing the search. Not an easy task.
- Teresa Basich
@Sue - yes, CM/SM internships. Do you feel these companies are afraid to hire FT, not sure what it all means, or just don't give CMs enough credit for what they do within an org?
- Sonny Gill
How does one manage an internship while still needing to find FT work? That's always been a show-stopper for me.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
@sonny. I think they are afraid to commit to a full-time person.
- Sue
@Teresa - totally with you there. I become hesitant at times to accept numerous projects, but know it'll benefit me - even if ti does cut into me searching for a FT role.
- Sonny Gill
@Sonny @Teresa - I wouldn't necessarily see it as a "lesser" role (unless it's just flatly way below your skill level). I'd see it as an opp to continue building a skill set, but also an opp to make an impression on a future employer.
- Chuck Hemann
Moreover, why would a company or brand trust their communication to an intern?
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
@Daniel - that's definitely tough to balance the two. You've got to make time for the latter for sure, but if the internship is taking up all your time, you may have to reevaluate what you're doing.
- Sonny Gill
Not many remote jobs either, so it's hard to move lock, stock and barrel when you are not sure how committed the employer is to the CM role.
- Sue
As a Canadian, there are much fewer CM roles so being able to telework would be ideal, but isn't the reality just yet.
- Tanya McGinnity
I'm sort of kicking myself right now, because I didn't go for a part-time internship, because of the low wage and commitment required. Now that person has an in for a possible full-time gig in same organization.
- Joe Kikta
@Sue - for those needing remote positions. Can job seekers 'sway' employers or educate them on how CM roles can be well managed remotely.
- Sonny Gill
@Joe, I think that's what happens with quite a few internships -- it's like a trial run, you know? Don't kick yourself, just keep moving.
- Teresa Basich
Many of you are really speaking to a few issues I have about the way CM is viewed - many are afraid of hiring Full Time, many pay low wages, view it as a support role rather than a strategy position. How do we break this kind of perception?
- Tanya McGinnity
I'd be more likely to go for a contract position, but not an internship.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
@Joe - That stinks but it's something we second guess sometimes being on the job search. The thing is - we sometimes ahve to get over our own egos and what we think we deserve, to instead grind it out and get to that goal of ours. Not saying you, specifically. But it's with internships, projects, etc. I've done the same.
- Sonny Gill
I think its possible yes, but extremely difficult. You would really have to sell yourself.
- Sue
Sometimes hard to think long-term strategic when the short-term view is not good.
- Joe Kikta
There are definitely more contract or temp-to-hire positions available than FT positions. Fear of financial commitment to a fairly new role.
- Teresa Basich
Hate to bring up the word, but monetization is key. Curious how many community managers work on that piece as well. Building your resume in that area might help with job search.
- Karen Gutierrez
@Tanya, yes that is so true. I don't know the answer to that. I think it's a time thing. That as time goes on it the CM role will be viewed in a more prominent light.
- Sue
@Joe - I definitely hear ya re: long-term vs. short-term. It's a battle with ourselves, let alone the job market itself.
- Sonny Gill
Could it also be an accreditation issue. We don't necessarily get degrees or go to school to become a CM..
- Tanya McGinnity
@Tanya. I think that is a valid point. If you look at job descriptions the requirements each employer wants differs widely. Whilst mainstream jobs generally have a standard skill set they are looking for. CM role is still so new that its hard for employers to know what to ask for.
- Sue
WELCOME: November 6, 2009 - Welcome folks to this week's CmtyChat! Can't believe it's November already but it's a great time of year. Feel free to introduce yourself, what you do, and how we can help you.
Hi, I'm Chuck and addicted to social media.
- Chuck Hemann
Joe here, back for some more learning. Looking for marketing gigs that ideally involve Social Media.
- Joe Kikta
I'm Daniel Johnson, Jr., and I'm a Social Media Manager on the Loose in Cincinnati, Ohio. Currently participating in National Podcaster Post Month.
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
Hi, I'm Rachel, live in San Francisco, used to manage Community for eBay and am now consulting.
- Rachel Makool
"In Tweetdeck, when you click on bit.ly links, it will preview the link so you can see what it's shortened from, before proceeding. I'm not sure if that's a default setting or one I changed to make so. In fact, adding the plus sign (+) after any bit.ly link takes you to the Info page."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"You have a podcast called Inside My Head. I have another podcast called Journey Inside My Mind. I guess podcasting helps us with our introspection, huh? Thanks for stopping by!"
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Someone needs to stand in the gap, stand up for what is right. It has to start with understanding who we are at the core - what you said: what do we stand for, what do we stand against. This echoes much of what you talk about over here. We need heroes, even reluctant ones."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.
"Having re-read this post again, and being in transition once more, I can say, without a doubt, a document like this really helps remind me of good I've done. Especially when faced with a lot of rejection."
- Daniel Johnson, Jr.